We have a solid amount of field data on the 6.5Grendel with wild game. For wild game we pretty much exclusively shoot the factory Hornady 123gr SST and a majority of the time use a 24" barreled set up because thats what the box data is based on as they use a 24" test barrel for that so its a fast conversion in the field when we need to. I have killed 1x Elk with a 18" barreled upper at 200yds (head shot) and 3 Antelope with the same upper within 200yds as well. The 24" barreled upper has killed 7+/- Elk, 3x Ibex, 2x Barbary Sheep, 1x White Tail, 1x Mtn Lion, 1x Javelina from 150yds to 480yds. My 15yr old son shot a Cow Elk at 480yds (one shot kill - neck shot) for the longest stretch out of the 6.5Grendel, one Ibex was at 436yds and a Elk and Ibex again at 400yds. Someone documented a Cow Moose kill in AK with a 6.5Grendel and either a 18" or 20" barreled upper at 100yds as well with a one shot kill. The 6.5Grendel has a payload and ballistics to pretty much handle most Big Game as long as Shot Placement and Appropriate Distances are followed. Its an incredibly great caliber for youth hunters, small framed beginner hunters, females, and others because its low recoiling, affordable to shoot alot and get very solid consistent hits with and build confidence with for the needed shot placements. In several states its not legal to hunt with a 5.56 but it is with a 6.5Grendel - CO for example requires a .240Cal or larger for Big Game Hunting and thus a 6.5Grendel is legal to hunt Big Game with, NM allows any center fired caliber but your limited in distance and size of game potentially with the 5.56 if you did hunt with it where as the 6.5Grendel can reasonably handle any Big Game animal in NM. We have a YT Channel as well for hunting with ARs and a MeWe Group. Follow along or Join in and contribute pics and info if you are a Hunter using the AR platform
I think either bullet would take elk cleanly. I certainly wouldn't hesitate shooting an elk or feel under gunned. Many elk are killed every year with 243Win and 100gr bullets or less. As your distance increases a bit, you'll retain even more bullet weight on both bullets, especially the Swift SSII than you did in your test. They may not pass completely through elk, or drop every elk in their tracks, but all you really need to do is let the air out of them and they die within seconds usually. Just my humble opinion.
The scirocco II is way underrated . It's extremely well designed and worth the money when your game could be 20 yards away or max range for the cartridge it's loaded in. tsx and ttsx are also a proven performers when the gun likes the bullets. When not accuracy is not wonderful. Swift Aframes are also great performers for deer and bigger ,especially in thick cover but they typically can be shot out to 200-300yards, basically midrange for most hunting cartridges. Trophy bonded bear claws are another proven design , their tipped version does extend range abit . They are basically an in-between of the scirocco and Aframe for expansion and penetration for typical hunting rounds. Nosler partition is another good choice but you must know it's design intent is for slow cartridges for closer ranges or long ranges for high velocity cartridges. Bullets are not just bullets , study them, learn them , get better results and understand where the money goes ... If it's quality or gimmick. Swift ,Barnes and federal/ speer trophy bonded have long proven track records.nosler and sierra do too. Major ammo companies use their bullets for premium ammo if they cannot duplicate them for whatever reason . Rem core-lokt = Hornady interlock. Nosler accubond = hornady interbond. Winchester ballistic silver tip and accutip bonded are nosler ballistic tip and accubond tipped dressed up as goths and has just made a trophy bonded clone called the solid base bonded . Federal premium uses all the above and has purchased some designs to use exclusively .trophy bonded is one. Grand slam is another (and another great speer design , older grand slams are better than new . They have a bonded core with progressive hardness. Dead soft at the tip and hard cast base. The first ones had a seven layer core. They reduced it to three and federal has reduced it to two.)... Anyway it's really worth learning and will improve your hunts ,target shoots, varmint sessions and self defense choices . Super x or corelokt or interlock are fine for low challenge deer hunts . You get a broadside shot and take it cleanly at 10-200 yards. Premium bullets open up options for humane quartering shots , back to sternum shots , downward chest plate shots , and often allow smaller rounds to take bigger animals cleanly.
If you can get 2500+ out of an 18" AR, my 20" Zastava Shaw barrel Mini Mauser build should be a cinch with Nosler 130 Accubonds, assuming it likes CFE223 and that bullet. Good to know what's possible.
My Grendel with a 20" heavy stainless barrel does pretty well with 129gr SSTs, and 123gr ELD-M, but I need to test these other bullets. I never seem to get more than about 2400fps, and load data isn't very common, but I'm slowly working up the loads.
I have had the best velocities with Hodgon Leverevolution powder in the Grendel. And the accuracy with it was nothing to sniff at either. So LVR is my go to now with the bullets I use. 123 Hornady SST and Speer gold dot 120
I wish I had never gotten rid of my Alexander upper. I also had an 18” barrel that ran over 2800fps with the Barnes 100 TTSX. My current barrel is a custom Bartlein 20” 5R and it’s much slower than my Alexander barrels were. I would be concerned with expansion at distance with those two bullets in your test. I would want to keep impact velocity on the Sciroccos at 2000fps or higher and the Barnes at 1800fps or higher to ensure reliable expansion. In my experience 120 grains is the sweet spot for the Grendel. I do have a load worked up with 97 grain Hammer Absolute Hammer bullets at 2960fps and have room to go. I’m confident I can hit 3000fps with them. For 400 yards and in they will be deadly since they are a mono Bullet.
Great video how did you come up with a load for the barnes lr I didn't see a load data for the 6.5 grendel for the long range bullet on there sight. Thanks. Fred
@@highcountryadventures9606 When I used to build tons of 6.5 AR15’s, the 100’s were my recommendation for the majority of hunters. Provided an optimal balance of mass vs velocity using powders optimal for the case capacity. Another one of my favorites was the 108 Lapua Scenar.
I expect depending on where the gun was sighted in, 200 yards is well within the point blank range unless you are using the often misused definition as the media is so fond of.
2500+ FPS is pretty fast in those bullet weights for a grendel especially in a 18” gun. What’s your spring, buffer and gas block set up? I reloaded 123 amax @2470fps in an 18” Alexander and got case head swipe.
After watching this video I tested the load Faxon 6.5 grendel 20” barrel 127g Barnes lrx 32.0g cfe223 cci450 Hornady once fired brass 2.245 at sea level magnetospeed sporter 20 rounds: FPS 2519 es:33 sd:9.1 left a slight ejector mark on brass. shoot good. Sub moa 70 degrees out
Is that 2548 with the 127 consistent for you? I guess what I am wondering is if you get 2525 with the 127 pretty much all the time out of that 18”. Subscribed. Thanks
The Ultimate Hunting Bullet? lol! 140 RDF and 28 grains AA 2520, 2300 fps out of my 18 inch sanders match barrel 1in 8 twist. 1644 energy at the muzzle and 1212 fps at 1000 yards with 457 energy. takes the AR15 to a whole new level. with no pressure signs. got the from Johnny.
I’m building another Grendel and plan on trying the Barnes 100 gr TTSX and may also get some Hammer Hunters in the 99 gr. Had great luck with the Hornady 123 gr SST. My two powders of choice were CFE223 and IMR 8208. Cheers!
@@jonbaniak9097 I found my best load for the 123gr sst is shooters world match rifle not only did I get great accuracy but higher speeds then all my other powders without pressure
Nice video 👌 I like the Grendel it's a great little round for deer and smaller. I would like to see some testing on a Nosler Partition if you are able to. Do you have any experience taking game with them in the Grendel platform? Thanks John
I also like the Grendel.Cosidering one in a custom bolt action hunting pistol. I'm a .264 WM Hunter. I've been searching for bullets that won't fail and out expand them all with 90% weight retention.A video of Hornady GMX 120gr vs 120gr Nosler E-tip bullet expansion comparison would be nice and I would love to also see bonded lead core bullets like Hornady Interbond 120gr vs 120gr. Swift A-frame expansion comparison. All are Ideal hunting bullets. No lead core jacket separation. The 6.5 also has a perfect 156gr Norma Oryx bonded core for Elk size game .Woodleigh weldcore 140gr and 160gr is said to out expand them all. The only problem is everyone of these bullets would need to be hand loaded for maximum expansion for ethical hunting and needs maximum velosities out of a Grendel. These are all mag loving bullets that should stabilize in the (1:8) twist barrel.
@@martinfernandez5005 I don't hand load any rounds myself. My cousin has promised a few different offerings as he hand loads, but he's always over the road with his job and little time. He owns three Grendels himself so I don't know if I will see any. Lol What do you think about the Federal Fusion MSR rounds on whitetails and coyotes within 200 yards?
@@lovethehuntOutdoors federal fusion from what I've read is a great choice for deer, just be sure you know your rifles twist and the legnth of bullets that will stabilize in your rifle. If you're twist is 1:8 then you can use almost all 6.5 bullets but if it's 1:9 don't go over 1.29" in bullet length.
@@martinfernandez5005 I am using a build that has a 1 in 8 twist match grade faxon Barrel. I've heard a few good results from others as well. I'm excited to get some quality rounds and see if I can place some groups out to 100 yards. I could really use a better trigger to assist with grouping. And possibly a better shooter as well. 😁
@@lovethehuntOutdoors I don't have any experience with the Grendel that's why I've been searching for one. A bullet that work well for a 1:8 twist is Hornady's GMX 120gr.. Probably the largest expanding monolithic bullet and you know that copper bullets are very hard to recover, they pass right on threw. I believe there available in loaded ammunition. There's a video on it for ballistic gel test and it expanded and out penitrated Barnes Triple shock LR 120gr, Nosler'sE-Tip 120 although the E-Tip was second in expansion and penitration . If you hunt large game I wouldn't shot any further than 150yrds broadside. Target shooting isn't part of my goals. Barrels are just too expensive.
What is your opinion on the 6.5 Grendel vs creedmoor? I have been thinking about the CZ 527 6.5 Grendel vs lots of different bolt-action 6.5 CM. I hunt inside of 300 yards with traditional aperture sights so I was thinking the Grendel would be adequate and I've read they are very accurate and easy to load for. I appreciate your opinion thanks.
@@highcountryadventures9606 I live in Eastern Maryland close to Ocean City I will be hunting deer. We have very large healthy white tail and small Sitka deer. I would not be hunting anything larger or at long range probably less than 200 yards. I also want something accurate to play on the range with. Thanks
@@brianlee6849 Within 300 yards and with the majority of shots being within 200 the Grendel would serve you well! I like the creedmoor as well it's a great hunting cartridge. However, there are very limited options in a bolt action for the Grendel. There's the CZ, Ruger American and Howa mini action. Those are the only ones I know of. In my experience the Grendel has been easier to load for than the creedmoor. Both rounds are extremely accurate. I wish you the best and happy hunting!
@@highcountryadventures9606 I really like the CZ 527 that is what got me thinking about the Grendel. I also have watched some videos of guys using the Grendel for eradicating feral hogs and it seemed pretty effective. Thanks for the info.
@@brianlee6849 it's a heck of a deer round. I shot around 15 feral hogs in Texas with the Grendel. It did excellent. I highly recommend the 120grain Speer Gold dot for deer
So my currently load for my Grendel with a 16” barrel is 130gr Barnes, 30 gr Cfe 223, and it’s going exactly 2400-2405 out of my 16” barrel I see you shooting a 18” and getting 2500 with two more grains of powder I’m wondering if I should up my charge a little bit or do you think wanting 2500 out of a 16” barrel is asking too much and I should leave it ?
I think you might be pushing it with a 16 in barrel. You might have some wiggle room with powder charge, but my guess is that you're pretty close to max with that 130gr Barnes. However, the only way to know is to try it out with small increments and see what happens!
@@highcountryadventures9606 have you tried any others? I have 3 grendels. 2 ar15 one how mini. Ive used Tac, cfe223, leverolution,reloader 15, h4895. Have a idea of shooting the gold dots as well. But trying to get the 130 game changers to fly.. for a simple thumper
@@jnordwell I haven't tried the game changers. I shoot 120 and 140 gold dots as well out of my Grendel. The 120 gold dot I use imr 8208xbr. Cfe works for that as well. I took the 120s to Texas on a hog hunt. The bullets worked wonders as did the Barnes and the sciroccos. I love the gold dots. I have nothing bad to say about them.
They are very comparable ballistically. The thing people don't talk about though is the magazines. The .224 V uses the 6.8 special mags which the military paid a lot to develop and are made by companies like Magpul and lancer. The 6.5 Grendel mags are only made by a few companies and have had issues in the past. That being said I have a 6.5 G and don't see a need to switch but if I were to be starting from scratch I would go .224 for the better mags.
@@highcountryadventures9606 if you have a short barrel you can test out of the drop in velocity with a 10" barrel at 10 yards should be comparable to 16"+ at 100y
I have shot milk jugs 1500 yard with my ar 15 with no problems. The bolt action I made is a completely different animal. I can push a 123gr eld to 2750 with minimal signs of pressure. It will out perform my 308 in wind easily.
@@MrGhostface213 My ar15 has a 18 inch or 18 3/4 no threading for a comp. I finished with a final diameter of .750 from the muzzle to the gas block with a rifle length gas system so, I could get thicker barrel until it gets to the gas block. with a 18 - 20 inch barrel wont really make a huge difference in fps. I just like shorter gun for hunting.
I wouldn’t choose either of those two as a long range hunter for a Grendel. Those may expand at 50yds but I doubt you get expansion at 200yd out of those two. Better choice would be 123 elf-m or even a Nosler ballistic tip.
I'm going to play devils advocate on this. The best bullet for the Grendel as a hunter would probably be the 123 SST Hornady that was designed for it and possibly the 100 grain Nosler partition. I shot a small meat doe at 105 yard with a 120 Barnes TTSX out of my 6.5 Creedmoor @2770FPS and it failed to exit or kill the deer. It was a steep rear quartering shot that hit the deer at the base of the rib cage went through the stomach, the diagram, and into one lung and never exited. The deer ran 15 yards and laid down. I had to finish her with my pistol. I can't imagine how much worse it would have been if I had knocked off 200 FPS by using a Grendel. The only deer I killed with a Grendel was a 156 yards, base of the neck shot from the front. DRT but no exit and no blood! I almost couldn't find the entrance wound. That was with the 123 SST. I'm in a like/hate relationship with my Creedmoor which is what I went to after seeing the performance of the Grendel. I'm spoiled and just used to better field performance than I've seen from either these 6.5 cartridges. Try your test at 100 yards, I think that's more real world.
I appreciate your input. I just released a video today from 300 yards. Feel free to check it out. It's kinda funny, but my experience has been the opposite. The reason I use these bullets is because I shot a mule deer at 25 yards with the 123 sst and again at 40ish yards. Neither bullet exited and the deer ran about 70 yards before expiring. I made both shots behind the shoulder and hit no major bone. I've used Barnes bullets in the past and have been very satisfied. your experience with them is quite interesting I appreciate your input
High Country Adventures I’m looking forward to your video. There’s a video with a guy shooting a hog with a 100 partition. It’s the most damage I’ve seen on game by any Grendel bullet!
450 bushmaster.will shit on 6.5 grendel out to 200 yrds on hogs and whitetail im not into 600 urd sniper shots if I wanted long range go all out 338 lapua lol
I agree. Maybe the title is confusing, the question i'm asking is related to the ultimate bullet for that cartridge. 6.5 grendel is an excellent cartridge for hunting out to 300-400 yards.
It’s lighter, more ergonomic, can put stocks on that absorb recoil better. great for deep backcountry when every ounce you carry counts. It’s not about looking like a “military rifle” it doesn’t matter what it looks like.
In my humble opinion, 'The ultimate hunting cartridge ' would be Springfield 30 06, Note, 30 06 has and does kill Everything from, Moles to Elephants. It's been killing for 117 years. Any arguments ?
I wouldn't disagree. The question i asked is not regarding the ultimate cartridge, but ultimate bullet for the cartridge. 30-06 is about as versatile as it comes
I would say the 6.5x55 Swede has most ever caliber beat if anyone is counting I’m sure it and the older brother 7x57 Mauser has killed more African plains game as well as a uncountable number of elephants So anyone can pick a caliber and say it’s the “best” But the reality of it is 90 percent of “modern” calibers have a family tree that started in 1880 to 1898 So we just keep reinventing the wheel so to speak
Dude. Your loads are way too hot. 31 gr of CFE223 is max with 120-123 gr bullets. Pressure signs don’t mean anything on an AR15. If you’re seeing pressure signs on an AR you’re WAY PAST the safe operating pressure of the AR platform. The 6.5 Grendel bolt is even more vulnerable. Stick with published loads. Those velocities are more than I get with a max load of CFE223 and 123 gr bullets with a 20” Alexander Arms rifle
Videos like this are exactly why people should stick to published load data and not trust random recipes they find online. 32 gr of CFE under 127/130 gr pills is insanity. These loads are absolutely over pressure, and it is dangerous to recommend these loads to anyone.
Neither bullet will expand at 400yds , they are way too tough for your low velocity. no one should use such a weak cartridge for long range , they make way better 6.5 s for long range such as 6.5 prc, 6.5 rpm , 260ai and so on .
My youngest sister last year took a 700 pound Elk with her bear creek arsenal using a Hornady 125gr grendel it dropped right in its tracks at 65 yards
Wow!! Im real interested in this cartridge,this statement kind of shocking.
We have a solid amount of field data on the 6.5Grendel with wild game. For wild game we pretty much exclusively shoot the factory Hornady 123gr SST and a majority of the time use a 24" barreled set up because thats what the box data is based on as they use a 24" test barrel for that so its a fast conversion in the field when we need to. I have killed 1x Elk with a 18" barreled upper at 200yds (head shot) and 3 Antelope with the same upper within 200yds as well. The 24" barreled upper has killed 7+/- Elk, 3x Ibex, 2x Barbary Sheep, 1x White Tail, 1x Mtn Lion, 1x Javelina from 150yds to 480yds. My 15yr old son shot a Cow Elk at 480yds (one shot kill - neck shot) for the longest stretch out of the 6.5Grendel, one Ibex was at 436yds and a Elk and Ibex again at 400yds. Someone documented a Cow Moose kill in AK with a 6.5Grendel and either a 18" or 20" barreled upper at 100yds as well with a one shot kill. The 6.5Grendel has a payload and ballistics to pretty much handle most Big Game as long as Shot Placement and Appropriate Distances are followed.
Its an incredibly great caliber for youth hunters, small framed beginner hunters, females, and others because its low recoiling, affordable to shoot alot and get very solid consistent hits with and build confidence with for the needed shot placements. In several states its not legal to hunt with a 5.56 but it is with a 6.5Grendel - CO for example requires a .240Cal or larger for Big Game Hunting and thus a 6.5Grendel is legal to hunt Big Game with, NM allows any center fired caliber but your limited in distance and size of game potentially with the 5.56 if you did hunt with it where as the 6.5Grendel can reasonably handle any Big Game animal in NM.
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I think either bullet would take elk cleanly. I certainly wouldn't hesitate shooting an elk or feel under gunned. Many elk are killed every year with 243Win and 100gr bullets or less. As your distance increases a bit, you'll retain even more bullet weight on both bullets, especially the Swift SSII than you did in your test. They may not pass completely through elk, or drop every elk in their tracks, but all you really need to do is let the air out of them and they die within seconds usually. Just my humble opinion.
Holy $h!t you shot those jugs off your tailgate... LMAO That's ballsy my friend but great video brother!!!
Good info on the bullets .
The scirocco II is way underrated . It's extremely well designed and worth the money when your game could be 20 yards away or max range for the cartridge it's loaded in. tsx and ttsx are also a proven performers when the gun likes the bullets. When not accuracy is not wonderful. Swift Aframes are also great performers for deer and bigger ,especially in thick cover but they typically can be shot out to 200-300yards, basically midrange for most hunting cartridges. Trophy bonded bear claws are another proven design , their tipped version does extend range abit . They are basically an in-between of the scirocco and Aframe for expansion and penetration for typical hunting rounds. Nosler partition is another good choice but you must know it's design intent is for slow cartridges for closer ranges or long ranges for high velocity cartridges. Bullets are not just bullets , study them, learn them , get better results and understand where the money goes ... If it's quality or gimmick. Swift ,Barnes and federal/ speer trophy bonded have long proven track records.nosler and sierra do too. Major ammo companies use their bullets for premium ammo if they cannot duplicate them for whatever reason . Rem core-lokt = Hornady interlock. Nosler accubond = hornady interbond. Winchester ballistic silver tip and accutip bonded are nosler ballistic tip and accubond tipped dressed up as goths and has just made a trophy bonded clone called the solid base bonded . Federal premium uses all the above and has purchased some designs to use exclusively .trophy bonded is one. Grand slam is another (and another great speer design , older grand slams are better than new . They have a bonded core with progressive hardness. Dead soft at the tip and hard cast base. The first ones had a seven layer core. They reduced it to three and federal has reduced it to two.)... Anyway it's really worth learning and will improve your hunts ,target shoots, varmint sessions and self defense choices . Super x or corelokt or interlock are fine for low challenge deer hunts . You get a broadside shot and take it cleanly at 10-200 yards. Premium bullets open up options for humane quartering shots , back to sternum shots , downward chest plate shots , and often allow smaller rounds to take bigger animals cleanly.
Thanks for the input. I've been coming to very similar conclusions
If you can get 2500+ out of an 18" AR, my 20" Zastava Shaw barrel Mini Mauser build should be a cinch with Nosler 130 Accubonds, assuming it likes CFE223 and that bullet. Good to know what's possible.
Looks like a great bullet for my creedmoor:) for elk!
Love the video. Would like the 130 gr gamechanger bullets in this test.. and then on the flip side 130 berger vld
Thank you 😊
My Grendel with a 20" heavy stainless barrel does pretty well with 129gr SSTs, and 123gr ELD-M, but I need to test these other bullets. I never seem to get more than about 2400fps, and load data isn't very common, but I'm slowly working up the loads.
I have had the best velocities with Hodgon Leverevolution powder in the Grendel. And the accuracy with it was nothing to sniff at either. So LVR is my go to now with the bullets I use. 123 Hornady SST and Speer gold dot 120
I would like to see the 120gr & 140gr GMX Hornady monolithic
I wish I had never gotten rid of my Alexander upper. I also had an 18” barrel that ran over 2800fps with the Barnes 100 TTSX. My current barrel is a custom Bartlein 20” 5R and it’s much slower than my Alexander barrels were.
I would be concerned with expansion at distance with those two bullets in your test. I would want to keep impact velocity on the Sciroccos at 2000fps or higher and the Barnes at 1800fps or higher to ensure reliable expansion.
In my experience 120 grains is the sweet spot for the Grendel.
I do have a load worked up with 97 grain Hammer Absolute Hammer bullets at 2960fps and have room to go. I’m confident I can hit 3000fps with them. For 400 yards and in they will be deadly since they are a mono Bullet.
I love the hammer bullets. They're becoming a quick favorite
Great video how did you come up with a load for the barnes lr I didn't see a load data for the 6.5 grendel for the long range bullet on there sight. Thanks. Fred
My favorite for hunting are the 100 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip and Partition using H322, N133 or N530 powder.
I am a huge fan of the nosler partition. I have never gotten to use them, but I know plenty who have and that is a great bullet design
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When I used to build tons of 6.5 AR15’s, the 100’s were my recommendation for the majority of hunters. Provided an optimal balance of mass vs velocity using powders optimal for the case capacity. Another one of my favorites was the 108 Lapua Scenar.
Great Testing Can't find load data for 127 gr for 6.5 Grendel OAL leegth would be great.
I'd like to see the water jug test at 200 yards instead of point blank
I did another test at 300 yards
@@highcountryadventures9606 Link to the youtube video ?
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I expect depending on where the gun was sighted in, 200 yards is well within the point blank range unless you are using the often misused definition as the media is so fond of.
@@highcountryadventures9606 what range did you shoot the jugs? I never heard any mention of how far away you did this test.
I’d like to see the 123 grain Hornady black eld match. I know it’s not a hunting bullet but for sake of curiosity.
125 gr partition and the 100 gr barnes
Please do 180 grn GMX 300 win mag and 120 grn gmx In the grendel. I love these two cartridges so far
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2500+ FPS is pretty fast in those bullet weights for a grendel especially in a 18” gun. What’s your spring, buffer and gas block set up? I reloaded 123 amax @2470fps in an 18” Alexander and got case head swipe.
After watching this video I tested the load Faxon 6.5 grendel 20” barrel 127g Barnes lrx 32.0g cfe223 cci450 Hornady once fired brass 2.245 at sea level magnetospeed sporter 20 rounds: FPS 2519 es:33 sd:9.1 left a slight ejector mark on brass. shoot good. Sub moa 70 degrees out
I'm probably matching your speed with a 16 inch barrel cause I'm at about 6000 feet of elevation. Good luck out there hunting!
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Is that 2548 with the 127 consistent for you? I guess what I am wondering is if you get 2525 with the 127 pretty much all the time out of that 18”. Subscribed. Thanks
The Ultimate Hunting Bullet? lol! 140 RDF and 28 grains AA 2520, 2300 fps out of my 18 inch sanders match barrel 1in 8 twist. 1644 energy at the muzzle and 1212 fps at 1000 yards with 457 energy. takes the AR15 to a whole new level. with no pressure signs. got the from Johnny.
Nice job. Thanks for the info. I'd like to see that 130 sirocco 2 in 264 wm ?
Agreed I would be very interested to see as well
I believe both would overpentrate on deer in my area. I like to send all the bullet energy into the animal.
Nice
I us a 95 gr v-max and 120 gr Barnes hunting bullet
I load up 100gr nosler bt over cfe and its a deer dropping combo
Just started with cfe223 And a 100 grain Nosler partition at 2650fps
Gonna be a good winter time for sure
Well May if I do my part 😂
I’m building another Grendel and plan on trying the Barnes 100 gr TTSX and may also get some Hammer Hunters in the 99 gr. Had great luck with the Hornady 123 gr SST. My two powders of choice were CFE223 and IMR 8208. Cheers!
@@jonbaniak9097 I found my best load for the 123gr sst is shooters world match rifle not only did I get great accuracy but higher speeds then all my other powders without pressure
I run 140 grn hornady sst or eld h335 26.5 to 27 grn max load 24" bca with dear air muzzle break 10x40 50mm ZOS SCOPE
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Is there a manufacturer using the Swiss projectile
Or are these hand rolled?
hand rolled.... quite hot imo. dont load what he says, work it up slowly
What distance did you shoot the jugs?
What was the coal of each?
What chronograph is that?
Nice video 👌 I like the Grendel it's a great little round for deer and smaller. I would like to see some testing on a Nosler Partition if you are able to. Do you have any experience taking game with them in the Grendel platform? Thanks John
I also like the Grendel.Cosidering one in a custom bolt action hunting pistol. I'm a .264 WM Hunter. I've been searching for bullets that won't fail and out expand them all with 90% weight retention.A video of Hornady GMX 120gr vs 120gr Nosler E-tip bullet expansion comparison would be nice and I would love to also see bonded lead core bullets like Hornady Interbond 120gr vs 120gr. Swift A-frame expansion comparison. All are Ideal hunting bullets. No lead core jacket separation. The 6.5 also has a perfect 156gr Norma Oryx bonded core for Elk size game .Woodleigh weldcore 140gr and 160gr is said to out expand them all. The only problem is everyone of these bullets would need to be hand loaded for maximum expansion for ethical hunting and needs maximum velosities out of a Grendel. These are all mag loving bullets that should stabilize in the (1:8) twist barrel.
@@martinfernandez5005 I don't hand load any rounds myself. My cousin has promised a few different offerings as he hand loads, but he's always over the road with his job and little time. He owns three Grendels himself so I don't know if I will see any. Lol What do you think about the Federal Fusion MSR rounds on whitetails and coyotes within 200 yards?
@@lovethehuntOutdoors federal fusion from what I've read is a great choice for deer, just be sure you know your rifles twist and the legnth of bullets that will stabilize in your rifle. If you're twist is 1:8 then you can use almost all 6.5 bullets but if it's 1:9 don't go over 1.29" in bullet length.
@@martinfernandez5005 I am using a build that has a 1 in 8 twist match grade faxon Barrel. I've heard a few good results from others as well. I'm excited to get some quality rounds and see if I can place some groups out to 100 yards. I could really use a better trigger to assist with grouping. And possibly a better shooter as well. 😁
@@lovethehuntOutdoors I don't have any experience with the Grendel that's why I've been searching for one. A bullet that work well for a 1:8 twist is Hornady's GMX 120gr.. Probably the largest expanding monolithic bullet and you know that copper bullets are very hard to recover, they pass right on threw. I believe there available in loaded ammunition. There's a video on it for ballistic gel test and it expanded and out penitrated Barnes Triple shock LR 120gr, Nosler'sE-Tip 120 although the E-Tip was second in expansion and penitration . If you hunt large game I wouldn't shot any further than 150yrds broadside. Target shooting isn't part of my goals. Barrels are just too expensive.
Barnes is the best ...I never had problems
What do you hunt?
What is your opinion on the 6.5 Grendel vs creedmoor? I have been thinking about the CZ 527 6.5 Grendel vs lots of different bolt-action 6.5 CM. I hunt inside of 300 yards with traditional aperture sights so I was thinking the Grendel would be adequate and I've read they are very accurate and easy to load for. I appreciate your opinion thanks.
What kind of animals do you plan to hunt?
@@highcountryadventures9606 I live in Eastern Maryland close to Ocean City I will be hunting deer. We have very large healthy white tail and small Sitka deer. I would not be hunting anything larger or at long range probably less than 200 yards. I also want something accurate to play on the range with. Thanks
@@brianlee6849 Within 300 yards and with the majority of shots being within 200 the Grendel would serve you well! I like the creedmoor as well it's a great hunting cartridge. However, there are very limited options in a bolt action for the Grendel. There's the CZ, Ruger American and Howa mini action. Those are the only ones I know of. In my experience the Grendel has been easier to load for than the creedmoor. Both rounds are extremely accurate. I wish you the best and happy hunting!
@@highcountryadventures9606 I really like the CZ 527 that is what got me thinking about the Grendel. I also have watched some videos of guys using the Grendel for eradicating feral hogs and it seemed pretty effective. Thanks for the info.
@@brianlee6849 it's a heck of a deer round. I shot around 15 feral hogs in Texas with the Grendel. It did excellent. I highly recommend the 120grain Speer Gold dot for deer
Awesome velocity for the barrel length, but Is it moa accurate at 100 yards?
The Barnes are most definitely. I had trouble getting the scirocco to group. Great bullet, my gun just didn't seem to like them
So my currently load for my Grendel with a 16” barrel is 130gr Barnes, 30 gr Cfe 223, and it’s going exactly 2400-2405 out of my 16” barrel
I see you shooting a 18” and getting 2500 with two more grains of powder I’m wondering if I should up my charge a little bit or do you think wanting 2500 out of a 16” barrel is asking too much and I should leave it ?
I think you might be pushing it with a 16 in barrel. You might have some wiggle room with powder charge, but my guess is that you're pretty close to max with that 130gr Barnes. However, the only way to know is to try it out with small increments and see what happens!
@@highcountryadventures9606 yep you and I are thinking the same, might proceed cautiously with .2 grain increments
100 gr. Partition and 95gr. V-max in 6.5 grendel
Nosler 129 accubond long range
I'm with you. Nosler ABond LR in .264 dia. is the real star of this show.
What powders you been using? I have 2 grendels and have a hard time not thinking 120+ for a hunting bullet..
Anything over 120 I use cfe 223
@@highcountryadventures9606 have you tried any others? I have 3 grendels. 2 ar15 one how mini. Ive used Tac, cfe223, leverolution,reloader 15, h4895. Have a idea of shooting the gold dots as well. But trying to get the 130 game changers to fly.. for a simple thumper
@@jnordwell I haven't tried the game changers. I shoot 120 and 140 gold dots as well out of my Grendel. The 120 gold dot I use imr 8208xbr. Cfe works for that as well. I took the 120s to Texas on a hog hunt. The bullets worked wonders as did the Barnes and the sciroccos. I love the gold dots. I have nothing bad to say about them.
I use 8208 XBR and 123 as my go to plinking set
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Thanks a lot! I appreciate it!
Wh@ts better 6.5 grendal or 224 valkrie
They are very comparable ballistically. The thing people don't talk about though is the magazines. The .224 V uses the 6.8 special mags which the military paid a lot to develop and are made by companies like Magpul and lancer. The 6.5 Grendel mags are only made by a few companies and have had issues in the past. That being said I have a 6.5 G and don't see a need to switch but if I were to be starting from scratch I would go .224 for the better mags.
I wonder how they would preformed out at 100 yards?
Great question! I'll do another video at range.
Interested to know how they perform at 100 yards also. Looking forward to it.
@@highcountryadventures9606 if you have a short barrel you can test out of
the drop in velocity with a 10" barrel at 10 yards should be comparable to 16"+ at 100y
26.5 grn h335 140 grn bullet 6.5 grendel average fps 2363 per calculator
How far can it go some told me 1100 yards
I have shot milk jugs 1500 yard with my ar 15 with no problems. The bolt action I made is a completely different animal. I can push a 123gr eld to 2750 with minimal signs of pressure. It will out perform my 308 in wind easily.
Steven V with a 16 inch barrel or 20 I’m looking to buy me a upper or build me one off a faxon barrel or a lite weight
@@MrGhostface213 My ar15 has a 18 inch or 18 3/4 no threading for a comp. I finished with a final diameter of .750 from the muzzle to the gas block with a rifle length gas system so, I could get thicker barrel until it gets to the gas block. with a 18 - 20 inch barrel wont really make a huge difference in fps. I just like shorter gun for hunting.
We are talking paper punching only & Not hunting correct?
you can possibly get to 1100 yds and still be supersonic. but thats pushing it
what is the twist rate 1 in 9 or 1 in 8?
1:7.5
@@highcountryadventures9606 Oh 18" barrel I missed that the several times you said it thanks
1in7.5 makes sense now
See you don't need a digital scale, that old analog is close enough!
I wouldn’t choose either of those two as a long range hunter for a Grendel. Those may expand at 50yds but I doubt you get expansion at 200yd out of those two. Better choice would be 123 elf-m or even a Nosler ballistic tip.
I have another video at 300. And they did in fact expand. Check it out!
How about the Hornady black for a deer round?
Abe Ales not good they don’t open up far so small exit hole little to no blood
Consider the SST for hunting over the ELD projectile.
6.5 Grendel is Evil on hogs
What loads are you shooting them with?
Clint E Hornady Black
Clint E I thinks it’s 123 grain
I'm going to play devils advocate on this. The best bullet for the Grendel as a hunter would probably be the 123 SST Hornady that was designed for it and possibly the 100 grain Nosler partition. I shot a small meat doe at 105 yard with a 120 Barnes TTSX out of my 6.5 Creedmoor @2770FPS and it failed to exit or kill the deer. It was a steep rear quartering shot that hit the deer at the base of the rib cage went through the stomach, the diagram, and into one lung and never exited. The deer ran 15 yards and laid down. I had to finish her with my pistol. I can't imagine how much worse it would have been if I had knocked off 200 FPS by using a Grendel. The only deer I killed with a Grendel was a 156 yards, base of the neck shot from the front. DRT but no exit and no blood! I almost couldn't find the entrance wound. That was with the 123 SST. I'm in a like/hate relationship with my Creedmoor which is what I went to after seeing the performance of the Grendel. I'm spoiled and just used to better field performance than I've seen from either these 6.5 cartridges. Try your test at 100 yards, I think that's more real world.
I appreciate your input. I just released a video today from 300 yards. Feel free to check it out. It's kinda funny, but my experience has been the opposite. The reason I use these bullets is because I shot a mule deer at 25 yards with the 123 sst and again at 40ish yards. Neither bullet exited and the deer ran about 70 yards before expiring. I made both shots behind the shoulder and hit no major bone. I've used Barnes bullets in the past and have been very satisfied. your experience with them is quite interesting I appreciate your input
High Country Adventures I’m looking forward to your video. There’s a video with a guy shooting a hog with a 100 partition. It’s the most damage I’ve seen on game by any Grendel bullet!
450 bushmaster.will shit on 6.5 grendel out to 200 yrds on hogs and whitetail im not into 600 urd sniper shots if I wanted long range go all out 338 lapua lol
I agree. Maybe the title is confusing, the question i'm asking is related to the ultimate bullet for that cartridge. 6.5 grendel is an excellent cartridge for hunting out to 300-400 yards.
Well all calibers will shit on other calibers but this is a video for the grendel not the 450. Thanks for the comment though.
I agree the 450 Bushmaster will take a massive shit as soon as it goes past 200 yards! Bombs away!
Do this test at real range 300 yds and 400yds for us hunters. :)
I did! Check it out
Why must a 'hunting rifle look like a military rifle ?
It’s lighter, more ergonomic, can put stocks on that absorb recoil better. great for deep backcountry when every ounce you carry counts. It’s not about looking like a “military rifle” it doesn’t matter what it looks like.
A better question would be why you would care what someone else rifle "looks" like? Talk about truly baffling....
@@deandaniel6504 same reason why you care about what I care about !?
Modern Sporting Rifle ... The Military Rifles are different spec. An has select fire capabilities ☑️
In my humble opinion, 'The ultimate hunting cartridge ' would be Springfield 30 06, Note,
30 06 has and does kill Everything from, Moles to Elephants. It's been killing for 117 years. Any arguments ?
I wouldn't disagree. The question i asked is not regarding the ultimate cartridge, but ultimate bullet for the cartridge. 30-06 is about as versatile as it comes
I would say the 6.5x55 Swede has most ever caliber beat if anyone is counting I’m sure it and the older brother 7x57 Mauser has killed more African plains game as well as a uncountable number of elephants
So anyone can pick a caliber and say it’s the “best”
But the reality of it is
90 percent of “modern” calibers have a family tree that started in 1880 to 1898
So we just keep reinventing the wheel so to speak
Dude. Your loads are way too hot. 31 gr of CFE223 is max with 120-123 gr bullets. Pressure signs don’t mean anything on an AR15. If you’re seeing pressure signs on an AR you’re WAY PAST the safe operating pressure of the AR platform. The 6.5 Grendel bolt is even more vulnerable. Stick with published loads.
Those velocities are more than I get with a max load of CFE223 and 123 gr bullets with a 20” Alexander Arms rifle
6.5 Grendel is a cartridge, not a "bullet"
Videos like this are exactly why people should stick to published load data and not trust random recipes they find online. 32 gr of CFE under 127/130 gr pills is insanity. These loads are absolutely over pressure, and it is dangerous to recommend these loads to anyone.
Neither bullet will expand at 400yds , they are way too tough for your low velocity. no one should use such a weak cartridge for long range , they make way better 6.5 s for long range such as 6.5 prc, 6.5 rpm , 260ai and so on .
I agree