I have the original first case (non S version) and i learned the hard way this is a custom loop kinda case, especially if you upgrade regularly, quick disconnects are a lifesaver!
jeez that build is nice! :D good job! i've just "moved" my pc to an sff case and i really wanted to use the SSUPD one but i could not find it in my country. the fiddling with the parts inside sff cases is a lot of fun :D and the end result is really nice. great video! hope to see more of these on the channel
Great video man. I thought about getting myself a smaller case for emulation that can fit under my TV. The biggest issue is that I only have 18cm of height and 29cm of width. This would be a perfect case with some small pieces of plastic to lift it up and use it on it's side.
Yes, you CAN put an ATX board and an ATX PSU inside the Meshroom S. BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME!!! So ITX board + ATX PSU totally works. Depending on your system, eg. if you want to reuse components, you have to decide what to do: Switch out the MB or switch out the PSU. So, if you got a very very good MB, but just an 80+ Gold PSU, replace the PSU, eg. with the current iteration of the Corsair SF (NOT _SF-L_), and be happy ever after. Obviously you are only able to use a 240 AIO, but if you really reeeeally dont want to give up on your 280 or even 360 AIO, you simple put it on the "front" side. There apparently is even a set of taller feet and brackets that allow for 360 radiator mounting. Its just that then its not 14.9L anymore, but more like 18L. On the other hand, there is next to zero cases that allow for more than a 240 AIO in the "below 20L" (aka SFF) range. That is, without modifcations :) BTW: Why is nobody ever talking about mATX? Thats a very good middle ground, but you only see either boring classic (= itx) or even more boring ATX (= much more classic, because SG Customs build the first one, before the Meshroom S even existed). cu, w0lf.
I bought this same case, it did come with that riser cable but mine wasn't installed, which was fine for me since I was moving my old ATX set up into this new case. So I had to by an extended riser cable.
This was great, and perfect timing for me! I've been planning a new 9900X or 9950X build in the Meshroom S V2 and have been weighing different AIO options. I'll be using a 4070 Super so I'll have a bit more space in the GPU compartment :)
on 14th gen you should always use a contact frame, just incase you got the bad batch suffering from oxidation issues. It helps with that by not making the cpu a banana
What ❓❔how would a contactframe help with Oxidation inside your CPU 🤔 as far as i know it helps with temps because of the bending related to their retention mechanism, but i must admit i only watched GN's and Roman der8auer Video about it once to see whats going on and to have a good🤣 laugh about ShIntel and the things that are going on 😉 I would suggest RMA that piece of ShIntel Engineering shit and persist on a complete refund and getting a Ryzen 7800X3D instead will help you way more in the long therm 😜👌🏻👍🏻
@@allcarparebeautiful how can you RMA a cpu that doesn't show signs of degradation? Might as well just sell it or update the bios then undervolt it before using.
@@allcarparebeautiful obviously rma is the first step when its already defective. But as of intel itself, rma will be rejected as long as the CPU isnt faulty yet. And the contact frame helps as it diesnt bend the cpu and doesnt put additional stress on the already too thing layer. And yeez. WTF are all these emojis
!!! Perfect! I feel your pain, b/c I'm literally building a Meshroom S V2 with the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 too rn! With 7800X3D and 7800XT (soon to be 4080 Super or 4090). The main difference is I also have the Meshroom Extension Bracket which so far seems to allow for retention of the stock Arctic fans and a bit more room for airflow to normalize. Have you tried flipping the rad fans and the PSU around to pull air out for negative pressure? I've heard it may cool the GPU better...tho I prefer your positive pressure setup as I don't love the idea of hot air being blown right at me from the case.
I literally built a Meshroom S with the LF3 280 a week ago (7800X3D and 4090). Rad fans pulling air out of the case is benefitting GPU temps, so definitely the way to go for a gaming build. Especially because the 7800X3D doesn't run hot at all. Inverting the PSU layout is not worth it though, it doesn't have an impact on GPU temps at all, but because of the hot GPU exhaust air the PSU runs much hotter. So I would advice against that. Other than that two 60mm fans behind the GPU also help out with temps. Edit: BTW the stock fans actually fit when in configuration to exhaust air.
@@dasadi8684 good stuff. Yep I came to the same conclusion re PSU and have the fan facing out. I'm trying out the rad fans pushing air in because I don't want hot exhaust coming at me from the front. Like you, I'll have two 60mm fans out back pulling GPU air out, but will also have a 120mm fan up top pulling hot air out. I'm toying with the idea of a divider/duct between the rad and the GPU, plus adding some weatherstripping on the mesh panel around the GPU fans (credit to Machines&More). This will further bifurcate thermals and airflow between the CPU and GPU sides and also better direct the cool-to-hot air exchange for the GPU (even if there's some recirculation). I recognize that I may be going counter to the easier path of the conventional SFF negative pressure setup, but as long as I don't fry my components it's worth the test to see if I can achieve acceptable system thermals _as well as_ comfortable user thermals.
@@wkungYT The hot exhaust coming at me was honestly a thing I didn't think about. It's really a lot of heat with the 4090, but I can just tilt the front away from me. I see you also have some planning and parts into the Meshroom. I got a 140mm fan on top and a 92mm in the bottom extension. The 92mm isn't doing much honestly. But I tested some configuration and the negative pressure setup just has the best temps and least noise. I thought about separating GPU and CPU airflow too, but with the 4090 there is pretty much no space anyway. So realistically the only real upgrade will (hopefully) be the 140mm Noctua (Chromax) fans.
@@dasadi8684 Nice! Did you have to go to a top hat or something to fit the 140mm top fan with the 4090 (which 4090 do you have)? Yeah I'd love to put a 140mm fan at the bottom to go with a 140mm on top, but space constraints and airflow obstructions of the floor plate changed those plans for me. My PowerColor Red Devil 7800 XT is too tall to fit more than a 15mm thick 120mm fan up top, w/ the GPU set at 3rd position (4th pos is off the table b/c I'd like to avoid having to buy the then-necessary longer PCIE Riser cable). Are you continuing to max cooling b/c the 4090 runs too hot in the Meshy? I may stick with the 4080 Super then for the Meshy case or move up to a case with more space/cooling options if I go for the 4090 in order to hit my system/ambient thermal targets.
@@wkungYT @wkungYT Yeah, it has a 3D printed top hat, base and a Fractal north like front panel out of bamboo. For now I have the Arctic P14 from the LF3 as the top fan and yes this would absolutely not fit without the top hat. The min-max cooling is just because I wanted to do it. The 4090 (it's a MSI Ventus, "just" 3-slot) is running really cool and quiet. With the negative pressure setup I rarely see more than 70°C while gaming. If anything the Meshroom is one of the smallest cases you can run a 4090 reasonably imo. You will really need a nice and flexible 12Vhpwr cable though. There is not a lot of space between the GPU and the front fan. I had to bend it quite tightly, but the Corsair (Corsair SF750) cable is really good actually.
Hi, I love your channel, do you have a list of the best 140mm fans for radiators?, I'm from Brazil and we don't have many options, I wanted to see if there are any good ones that are sold here, thank you
Every ITX build with water cooling I’ve come to accept will take 4x longer than an ATX build with all the build, rebuild, dismantle, test, rebuild again, recable and eventually it’s all squeezed inz
no, both mATX and ATX boards require a different longer riser, and as for the PSU, only SFX or SFX-L can fit with them ATX PSUs will only fit with an ITX motherboard
You have really made it harder on yoursel by installing AIO into a whole frame. Much easier to just unscrew front entirely, install the aio with ease and then just slide in, screw in. That said, when i recentely re-cabled and moved aio fans, i did it the same way and the pain was there.
I have never and probably never will understand 🤔 why anyone would want an even smaller case than a Lian Li Lancool 216 or one of the 20+ different O11 versions? But hey, if people are happy with this kind of building experience and the hardware they spent thousands of euros or dollars on ends up looking like it was built into a🐹 hamster cage, then fine. Thanks to the variety of cases, everyone can have it the way they like it 😌Although I would personally keep a hamster in a terrarium of at least 100 x 40x40 and not in something so tiny, but that's offtopic👍🏻
It's the attraction of spatial efficiency of SFF, more ability to integrate PC case into your room as a furniture piece because of modest size and modest appearance, improved portability, etc. I built my new PC in January in a 4000D Airflow, but already know my next one is going to be in an SFF case.
i downsized to this from the lancool 215 because i got over looking at my components in a big hollow case with rgb. also it was taking a huge chunk of my desk and weighed down the desk too much when i was remodeling my room. now i prefer a build that packs the same power just in a smaller footprint that i can tuck away behind my monitors
I have the original first case (non S version) and i learned the hard way this is a custom loop kinda case, especially if you upgrade regularly, quick disconnects are a lifesaver!
It's my favorite type of build video. The way you struggled to success and keep talking what was going through your head - chef's kiss
Very nice build
jeez that build is nice! :D good job! i've just "moved" my pc to an sff case and i really wanted to use the SSUPD one but i could not find it in my country.
the fiddling with the parts inside sff cases is a lot of fun :D and the end result is really nice.
great video! hope to see more of these on the channel
Great review as usual.. Thanks !!
Compliments for your build!
Great video man. I thought about getting myself a smaller case for emulation that can fit under my TV. The biggest issue is that I only have 18cm of height and 29cm of width. This would be a perfect case with some small pieces of plastic to lift it up and use it on it's side.
The Fractal Ridge is made to be used flat too
Great video, building in this case in a couple of weeks!
You’re gonna kill that water cooler with the tubes going like that.
If you separate the individual wire sheathes per cable, it’s way easier to manage
Yes, you CAN put an ATX board and an ATX PSU inside the Meshroom S. BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME!!!
So ITX board + ATX PSU totally works. Depending on your system, eg. if you want to reuse components, you have to decide what to do: Switch out the MB or switch out the PSU.
So, if you got a very very good MB, but just an 80+ Gold PSU, replace the PSU, eg. with the current iteration of the Corsair SF (NOT _SF-L_), and be happy ever after.
Obviously you are only able to use a 240 AIO, but if you really reeeeally dont want to give up on your 280 or even 360 AIO, you simple put it on the "front" side. There apparently is even a set of taller feet and brackets that allow for 360 radiator mounting. Its just that then its not 14.9L anymore, but more like 18L. On the other hand, there is next to zero cases that allow for more than a 240 AIO in the "below 20L" (aka SFF) range. That is, without modifcations :)
BTW: Why is nobody ever talking about mATX? Thats a very good middle ground, but you only see either boring classic (= itx) or even more boring ATX (= much more classic, because SG Customs build the first one, before the Meshroom S even existed).
cu, w0lf.
mATX is having a revival this year. Check the very popular AP 201 and Dan Case a3 builds that have been popping up since summer 2023.
can u fit a matx board in this case without changing the riser cable and can it fit a sfx , sfx-l or atx psu?
I bought this same case, it did come with that riser cable but mine wasn't installed, which was fine for me since I was moving my old ATX set up into this new case. So I had to by an extended riser cable.
This was great, and perfect timing for me! I've been planning a new 9900X or 9950X build in the Meshroom S V2 and have been weighing different AIO options. I'll be using a 4070 Super so I'll have a bit more space in the GPU compartment :)
Nice video.
I don't have much criticisms, but could you try using PTM 7950? It's far better than thermal paste, not as good as liquid metal.
I cannot wait for the build review. I would Love to see a ATX build in this just to see what its capable off.
on 14th gen you should always use a contact frame, just incase you got the bad batch suffering from oxidation issues. It helps with that by not making the cpu a banana
What ❓❔how would a contactframe help with Oxidation inside your CPU 🤔 as far as i know it helps with temps because of the bending related to their retention mechanism, but i must admit i only watched GN's and Roman der8auer Video about it once to see whats going on and to have a good🤣 laugh about ShIntel and the things that are going on 😉 I would suggest RMA that piece of ShIntel Engineering shit and persist on a complete refund and getting a Ryzen 7800X3D instead will help you way more in the long therm 😜👌🏻👍🏻
@@allcarparebeautiful how can you RMA a cpu that doesn't show signs of degradation? Might as well just sell it or update the bios then undervolt it before using.
@@allcarparebeautiful obviously rma is the first step when its already defective. But as of intel itself, rma will be rejected as long as the CPU isnt faulty yet. And the contact frame helps as it diesnt bend the cpu and doesnt put additional stress on the already too thing layer. And yeez. WTF are all these emojis
Also how did you get your GPU power cable in without it snagging into the AIO fans?
How did you manage to get your GPU in there with its height being 70mm and the maximum height allowed in the rear 3-slot configuration being 63mm?
!!! Perfect! I feel your pain, b/c I'm literally building a Meshroom S V2 with the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 too rn! With 7800X3D and 7800XT (soon to be 4080 Super or 4090).
The main difference is I also have the Meshroom Extension Bracket which so far seems to allow for retention of the stock Arctic fans and a bit more room for airflow to normalize.
Have you tried flipping the rad fans and the PSU around to pull air out for negative pressure? I've heard it may cool the GPU better...tho I prefer your positive pressure setup as I don't love the idea of hot air being blown right at me from the case.
I literally built a Meshroom S with the LF3 280 a week ago (7800X3D and 4090). Rad fans pulling air out of the case is benefitting GPU temps, so definitely the way to go for a gaming build. Especially because the 7800X3D doesn't run hot at all. Inverting the PSU layout is not worth it though, it doesn't have an impact on GPU temps at all, but because of the hot GPU exhaust air the PSU runs much hotter. So I would advice against that. Other than that two 60mm fans behind the GPU also help out with temps.
Edit: BTW the stock fans actually fit when in configuration to exhaust air.
@@dasadi8684 good stuff. Yep I came to the same conclusion re PSU and have the fan facing out. I'm trying out the rad fans pushing air in because I don't want hot exhaust coming at me from the front. Like you, I'll have two 60mm fans out back pulling GPU air out, but will also have a 120mm fan up top pulling hot air out.
I'm toying with the idea of a divider/duct between the rad and the GPU, plus adding some weatherstripping on the mesh panel around the GPU fans (credit to Machines&More). This will further bifurcate thermals and airflow between the CPU and GPU sides and also better direct the cool-to-hot air exchange for the GPU (even if there's some recirculation). I recognize that I may be going counter to the easier path of the conventional SFF negative pressure setup, but as long as I don't fry my components it's worth the test to see if I can achieve acceptable system thermals _as well as_ comfortable user thermals.
@@wkungYT The hot exhaust coming at me was honestly a thing I didn't think about. It's really a lot of heat with the 4090, but I can just tilt the front away from me.
I see you also have some planning and parts into the Meshroom. I got a 140mm fan on top and a 92mm in the bottom extension. The 92mm isn't doing much honestly.
But I tested some configuration and the negative pressure setup just has the best temps and least noise.
I thought about separating GPU and CPU airflow too, but with the 4090 there is pretty much no space anyway.
So realistically the only real upgrade will (hopefully) be the 140mm Noctua (Chromax) fans.
@@dasadi8684 Nice! Did you have to go to a top hat or something to fit the 140mm top fan with the 4090 (which 4090 do you have)? Yeah I'd love to put a 140mm fan at the bottom to go with a 140mm on top, but space constraints and airflow obstructions of the floor plate changed those plans for me. My PowerColor Red Devil 7800 XT is too tall to fit more than a 15mm thick 120mm fan up top, w/ the GPU set at 3rd position (4th pos is off the table b/c I'd like to avoid having to buy the then-necessary longer PCIE Riser cable).
Are you continuing to max cooling b/c the 4090 runs too hot in the Meshy? I may stick with the 4080 Super then for the Meshy case or move up to a case with more space/cooling options if I go for the 4090 in order to hit my system/ambient thermal targets.
@@wkungYT @wkungYT
Yeah, it has a 3D printed top hat, base and a Fractal north like front panel out of bamboo.
For now I have the Arctic P14 from the LF3 as the top fan and yes this would absolutely not fit without the top hat.
The min-max cooling is just because I wanted to do it. The 4090 (it's a MSI Ventus, "just" 3-slot) is running really cool and quiet. With the negative pressure setup I rarely see more than 70°C while gaming. If anything the Meshroom is one of the smallest cases you can run a 4090 reasonably imo.
You will really need a nice and flexible 12Vhpwr cable though. There is not a lot of space between the GPU and the front fan. I had to bend it quite tightly, but the Corsair (Corsair SF750) cable is really good actually.
LFIII is the Holy Grail. I'm pretty sure my 4090 Suprim X won't fit... Maybe without shroud 🤔
weird cause you cannot buy the meshroom s anywhere these days. you also dont want the rad fans to be intake. push exhaust is best in the meshy
Hi, I love your channel, do you have a list of the best 140mm fans for radiators?, I'm from Brazil and we don't have many options, I wanted to see if there are any good ones that are sold here, thank you
Do you have a link or name of the smoke device?
what speed you set the freezer 3 fans and pump?
Every ITX build with water cooling I’ve come to accept will take 4x longer than an ATX build with all the build, rebuild, dismantle, test, rebuild again, recable and eventually it’s all squeezed inz
can u fit a matx board in this case without changing the riser cable and can it fit a sfx , sfx-l or atx psu?
no, both mATX and ATX boards require a different longer riser, and as for the PSU, only SFX or SFX-L can fit with them
ATX PSUs will only fit with an ITX motherboard
What would be the total weight of this build?
bad idea to have air flow from 280 AIO inside the case
You have really made it harder on yoursel by installing AIO into a whole frame. Much easier to just unscrew front entirely, install the aio with ease and then just slide in, screw in. That said, when i recentely re-cabled and moved aio fans, i did it the same way and the pain was there.
Jaeinn !!!😄
Remove MB & put radiator 1st =D
Are you Austrian? I'm trying to figure out your accent but I might be way off since I'm not so good at this
In this case, as well as most SFF cases, the best solution is for the AiO fans to pull air out and not force it in as you did.
I have personally tried both and I got 10 degree lower temp on aio sucking air into the case under heavy load. So results may vary.
The Mushroom more like
both vents are wrong direction)))
Bruh finally you review itx case
wtf am i watching, easiest case to build in
I hate small cases :)
I have never and probably never will understand 🤔 why anyone would want an even smaller case than a Lian Li Lancool 216 or one of the 20+ different O11 versions? But hey, if people are happy with this kind of building experience and the hardware they spent thousands of euros or dollars on ends up looking like it was built into a🐹 hamster cage, then fine. Thanks to the variety of cases, everyone can have it the way they like it 😌Although I would personally keep a hamster in a terrarium of at least 100 x 40x40 and not in something so tiny, but that's offtopic👍🏻
It's the attraction of spatial efficiency of SFF, more ability to integrate PC case into your room as a furniture piece because of modest size and modest appearance, improved portability, etc. I built my new PC in January in a 4000D Airflow, but already know my next one is going to be in an SFF case.
Well, I need an sff beacuse I have to take it with me when flying, is that ok for you?
i downsized to this from the lancool 215 because i got over looking at my components in a big hollow case with rgb. also it was taking a huge chunk of my desk and weighed down the desk too much when i was remodeling my room. now i prefer a build that packs the same power just in a smaller footprint that i can tuck away behind my monitors