@@petiteminish2863 OK I throw one back at you, why didnt the emperor not sense her? Nor even know of her? Remember he was using the Dark Side to hunt down the remaining Jedi and any beings who could become strong in the force. Leia was strong in the force, as we learn, and the emperor would have sense her. Obi-Wan and Yoda likely were known to live just he didnt see them as a threat. They were old, Leia on the other hand was young. No way he never sensed her. She even was a representative of her planet and a princess and likely was even close to him a few times because of this office.
@@StacieMMeiersame reason he couldn’t find or sense Obi-Wan before he turned old. Obi-Wan was still young in Revenge of the Sith Part of hunting down the Jedi was also erasing any information that could potentially be used to train other force sensitives.
@@StacieMMeier Leia was untrained, so unlikely to use her Force sensitivity to any great extent and ostensibly the daughter of the ruling family of Alderaan which meant the Empire trying to test her without permission would be difficult at best.
2:55 - Believe it or not, "Hiding in plain sight" works because "To assume the obvious is to overlook the obvious". This works with Leia, as well. Remember, Vader believed that his "child"(children) died with Padme'. He wasn't even looking for a child of his, because he had long believed the child(ren) dead. Also, Luke was in the "outer rim", where it was much less controlled by the Empire, despite their presence on the planet. Leia, on the other hand, was a Senator, and "daughter" of the royal house of Alderaan. Vader had absolutely no clue she was really his daughter (in universe, of course).
This was a plot hole created by the prequels. Originally, Owen Lars was not actually Luke's uncle, but Obi-Wan's brother PRETENDING to be Luke's uncle. The fact that Lucas made that change when there was no reason to do so still annoys me. And it's perfectly believable that Luke's legal surname would be "Skywalker" and not "Lars." Owen could easily have passed for his MOTHER'S brother.
@@SeasideDetective2 if you have to look that far into it that’s not really a plot hole that’s LOOKING for one and if you can’t find one then use some details to make one
@@SeasideDetective2 It proves that he just didn't know what the hell he was doing. He just wrote any old garbage on a whim and sod continuity. After all, as he keeps saying, these are movies for babies and babies don't care for continuity, do they!
In the original book continuity, the answer to why droids in Jabba's palace felt pain, was that they were modified to feel pain in order to be tortured when they didn't do something.
My friend said the "droids" made noises, scream from the sounds of the wires, gears ⚙️. Not real pain. Jabba had them wear out, get reduced power. No emotion.
@@DavidLLambertmobile here's the exact quote from the original pre-disney novel Tales from Jabba's Palace (page 275) that originally explained it: "Ninedenine racked up the gain on her internal receptors, savoring the intensity of it all. She concentrated her meta-analytical functions on the high-frequency carrier wave generated by the pain-simulator button newly connected to the GNK's central circuits."
But if they didn't do something it would be because they were programmed not to do it. That means they were programmed to be able to ignore commands at random times, and to feel pain for it. That's a lot of extra programming compared to the code simply saying "when told to do something, do it"
As an answer to why the empire didn't fire at Yavin prime is because the first deathstar takes 12 hours to recharge its main weapon after firing on full power. So instead of giving the rebels 10 minutes to shoot the exhaust port, they would have given them 12 hours.
I never understand why people think Vader should sense a familial connection to Leia. He didn't sense anything with Luke. When has familial connection ever shown to be something you can sense without any prior knowledge. And why does Luke escaping Hoth not make sense. He was escaping the planet with multiple other Rebel ships after the blockade was opened by the ion cannon. He also had a hyperdrive unlike the Millennium Falcon so what would have stopped him?
@@goatchumby That's not family connection. Vader just knew he was strong with the Force. If he could sense he was family he wouldn't have tried to shoot him
@@angelicalynn1259 He wasn't behind enemy lines. That was a small scout troop sent to destroy the shield generator. The rest of the army was attacking the rebel base which was miles away
the basis of the rule of two as explained in an expanded universe novel was that large numbers of sith would be more likely to fight each other than cooperate against the Jedi, and the actual rule of two was "one to hold the power and one to crave it" with the expectation that when an apprentice became strong enough to overthrow his master, he should. - and in the ROTJ novelization it was pretty clear that Vader's intention was that Luke should help him kill the emperor so they could rule as father and son.
The rule of 2 is just lame and makes no sense. The idea that adherents to an ideology based on selfishness, hate and greed would be patient enough to be carry out a plan that took a thousand years to accomplish in which the majority would never live to see it and that at least one of these selfish, greedy people wouldn't just say "screw this, Im not going to train a guy thats just going to kill me someday" seems pretty absurd.
Doesn't change the fact that the rule of 2 makes no sense. A system requiring the apprentice to kill the master all the time isn't superior to large numbers, even if that has the risk of internal struggles. New canon has created the Inquisitors as a kind of "lower rank Sith force", and below them the purge troopers, all with some kind of force/lightsaber skills, only to circumvent that problem. Further, it's ridiculous to assume that 2 people can defeat 10.000 (yes I know Palpatine did just that, but still). So why would the Sith limit themselves to that rule?
@@countluke2334 it doesn't make sense to you because you're not a Sith. and I neglected to mention that the incident that led to the formation of the rule of two was the entire order of the Sith nearly killing themselves off because of an internal power struggle. but to make things more clear: the ideology of the sith is based on trying to become as powerful as possible. any good despot will tell you that the most important element of maximizing your power is to kill off your competition before they can kill you off.
I figured Leia remembered Padmé with the Force, unknowingly. As Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah; "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past. Old friends long gone."
This "she died when I was very young" sounds to me like she actually got to know her personally, no force memories. Actually, why would Leia be the one to "force remember" when Luke was the one trained in the ways of the force?
I’m the first to admit that there are several plot holes in a universe as expansive as Star Wars, but not all of the ones in this list were in fact plot holes. Most of these have reasonable explanations. As you mentioned, the Rule of Two doesn’t make sense in terms of sustainability for the Sith, but Vader trying to recruit Luke isn’t a counterexample. On Endor, Vader specifically tells Luke that it’s Luke’s destiny to destroy the Emperor. Vader couldn’t detect that Leia was a family member because she didn’t know either. He only found out later by reading Luke’s active thoughts about her on the Death Star. I always assumed that Vader figured out that Luke was his son through other means. (Your point about Luke keeping his last name is valid, but that seems like more of a foolish decision by Owen and Beru than an impossibility.)
I have always taken the view that Skywalker would be a common name - I find it very unlikely that in a Vast Universe that everyone would be named individually... Hell, I have a very unusual Surname myself - But I have found an entire group dedicated to Marris Family - and found almost 400 People show share my surname!!! I agree with you - Most of the list has a very reasonable explanation - They are often called plot holes because people refuse to use imagination... And that is NOT how Plot Holes work! A Plot Hole is when something DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS the Stories internal Logic... Few of these do!
The "Rule of Two" doesn't work for, er, "two" reasons. Firstly, in ROTJ both Vader and the Emperor are in the very same room facing off against Luke, trying to convert him at the same time. If that rule existed during the making of ROTJ, then both of them would've been fully aware that the other would have to go in order to accept Luke as an ally. So why are they side by side trying to antagonise him together? Secondly, all, and I mean ALL, dictators in history have kept hold on power by having multiple henchmen doing their dirty work for them. They have them squabbling and fighting each other in order to get their leader's favour, whilst all the time continually looking over their shoulders. That way they don't have time to threaten the leader's hold on power.
Vader only detected that Luke had a sister not who she was until he appears as a force ghost and likely realizes that Leia can see them as well. Also he only senses Luke is strong with the force when Luke uses it to help him destroy the first Death Star. It’s not until he finds out the rebel pilot’s name that any family connection is revealed. Leia is always known as Leia Organa. She actively avoided the association outside of Luke for years.
@@white-dragon4424 I have always taken the view that Palpatine was well aware of the "Rule of 2" but now he was in charge, he was changing the rules to suit his own motives... That's just one theory! As for your own argument about the Rule of 2... It does not work! Vader wanted Luke to Join HIM and KILL the Palp[atine, While Palpatine simply wanted to convert Luke or see him destroyed by Vader's hand... In both cases, Either Luke or Vader would have to have KILLED one of the Three maintaining a "Rule of 2" That is made VERY, VERY Clear in ROTJ which means you are being disingenuous.
Lets not forget the fact that Uncle Owen literally bought a droid that used to be on his farm 26ish years earlier. C3PO followed Shmee Skywalker to Lars' farm while Owen very much living there. C3PO ends up leaving with Anakin and padme and decades later, C3PO returns and is captured by jawas who then sell him BACK to Owen and owen just suddenly has no idea who the droid is?
Protocol droids all look the same. Owen was probably like "Hey, I used to have a droid like that. Damn useful, think I'll buy another one since Anakin ran off with mine."
About Luke escaping Hoth, he's also in a small single person fighter. The Empire was focusing on the transports and where they were going and no doubt ignored most small targets.
There's zero reason to expect Vader to sense any familial connection to Leia, or Luke, for that matter. Simply having the Force--or any form of telepathy/clairvoyance in fiction--does not grant omniscience. Force users have to actively probe another person's mind to extract information. If the person doesn't know something (like Leia having no idea who her real father was), that information can't be found. And as Vader still believed his child died along with Padme, that thought wouldn't even enter his mind as a possibility. At most, Vader may have sensed that Leia has an unusually strong mind and spirit, perhaps indicating a strong untapped connection to the Force. This would intrigue him further, but there's no reason this should cause him to recognize her as family. Vader only recognized Obi-Wan's presence because of their shared history.
And he didn't sense Luke being his son, but he was told, that information being acquired by somebody for some reason. He found about Leia by reading Luke's mind/feelings.
Leia was originally intended to be the older sister, the twins thing came outta nowhere and was never part of the plan. Well there never really was a plan either but at least he tried.
@@harrowmarty3 that is not the same as the way she says it in ROTJ. The truth is that Lucas had planned to have their mother in hiding with Leia. He changed it like he changed a lot of things over writing the story. Luke and Leia were not siblings until he wrote ROTJ.
Vader thought his child was dead. Even if he felt force sensitivity from Leia, that doesn't mean they're related Vader wanted Luke without the Emperor, the Emperor wanted Luke without Vader, rule of two can still apply Vader thought his child was dead and Anakin swore he'd never return to Tatooine and totally hates sand. He even tells that Commander to see to the retrieval of the Death Star plans because he didn't want to set foot there himself 🙄 If the Death Star destroyed Yavin Prime, the Death Star would've taken a while to recharge. First Death Star required that Rey had quite the force flashback in Force Awakens, the Obi-Wan Kenobi show would've been the perfect time to show something similar with Leia, they need to do something else with her depicting that so fans can finally shut up about this lol 😝. Leia also said she always knew Luke was her brother, she must remember him too. Breha Organa died when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan, so kinda hard for the memory to be involving her (and Luke asked about Leia's REAL mother). It wouldn't be the only "plot hole" in Return of the Jedi, Threepio says Chewbacca never returned from Jabba's palace and then the Wookiee shows up after the droid
He wasn’t able to sense that Luke was his son either. It wasn’t until the Emperor told him that the “rebel who destroyed the Death Star” was the Son of Anakin Skywalker that he knew that. He only sensed that the force was strong with Luke, which he also likely sensed with Leia too. Just because he didn’t comment on it doesn’t make it a plot hole The rule of two isn’t that there can only be two, it’s that there always is at least two. A Master, an Apprentice Obi-Wan’s decisions when hiding Luke are character decisions and they don’t make a plot hole just cause you disagree with them. Tatooine was not under the rule of the Empire and no one there even knew that Anakin Skywalker became a Jedi or that he was Darth Vader. Anakin was a slave during his time on Tatooine. No one still alive even knew whole he was You’re talking about a fictional fuel source and just because earth based fuels might evaporate over time, doesn’t mean this fuel does. Also the decision to not drain it is again, a character choice, not a plot hole The Empire wasn’t trying to destroy any and every planet they could find. As the ruling power in the Galaxy, they knew that even they had limits and couldn’t just go around destroying entire planets that contained unique eco-systems and potential unique minerals and natural resources. That’s why they only destroyed the city of Jedah in Rogue One instead of the entire planet. Also, they destroyed Alderaan both as a punishment to Leia and because they suspected it of a being a Rebel safe planet The Galaxy didn’t forget about the Jedi, the recent shows and other media that take place between ROTS and ANH clearly show the surviving Jedi as active and that the rebels were even helping them. When Ben says to Luke, I was once a Jedi Knight like your father, Luke doesn’t act confused as to what a Jedi is. Also, the inquisitors were seen killing people for over information about wanted Jedi so most people felt the need to keep quiet about the topic in general The Empire’s star ships were disabled by the ion cannons. What? We’re again talking about a fictional universe with tech beyond our wildest dreams. That would be like saying the magic the Asguardians use in the MCU - which has been implied multiple times is actually just a very advanced technology - that it’s a plot hole because there’s nothing comparable in the real world. You have no idea the type of sensations or emotions that can be synthesized and since you aren’t the creator of the universe you don’t get to dictate as such. Disagreeing with a particular tech doesn’t make it a plot hole Leia could easily have force Spence memories of Padme from the moment she was born. She says she was very beautiful but sad and Padme literally dies of sadness in that moment His original deal with Lando was that he was going to let Leia and Chewy go. He didn’t disable the Falcon entirely because it would have shown his hand to Lando earlier than he wanted
I've understood the "Rule of Two" as being "They come in twos", as in "We found a Sith, where's the other?" Not to mean there's 2 TOTAL. Recognizing Leia: As far as he knew, Padme died in childbirth. He had no reason to keep an eye out, and force powers weren't activated in Leia. Luke, on the other hand, had his force powers awakened in him before Vader encountered and identified him during the trench run. It's so odd to feel the force that he took a deeper peek, and ended up discovering the familial connection (perhaps even last minute during their fight on Cloud City). Or perhaps he sensed memories of Luke's home, of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and recognized some of it/them. Hiding Luke on Tatooine, I would guess Anakin had enough trauma - childhood slavery, then ripped away from his mom for years, then she got kidnapped and tortured to death, initiating the rage that led to him slaughtering the whole tribe - that he wasn't interested in visiting. Also he considered it a crappy place of nothing. The Empire seemed rather absent until they were looking for the droids they were looking for. :) I figure they didn't blow up Yavin prime because 1) It probably would take AGES to recharge after one shot to then shoot the Rebels. You seem of the opinion that shooting Yavin Prime would destroy the other planet, that isn't THAT guaranteed, and 2) They enjoyed the menacing approach, torture them in anticipation first. "Playing with their food" as it were, they were convinced they had the upper hand and there was no hurry. Luke's escape from Hoth: I have twin theories. 1) That they had been forgetting something that Family Guy's version pointed out: Space is 3 Dimensional. There's no such thing as a blockage, just go some other direction, and that's what Luke did/remembered. 2) (Newly formed right now) That Luke was EXTREMELY later, enough that the Empire figured everybody left, the Falcon was the last out, LET'S GO! And Luke left after that, a lone straggler in the back. Or a combination of both of these. Here's one you missed. The Sith are CLEARLY a vast minority, whichever version of the Rule Of Two you go with. The Jedi are so plentiful they have a ruling council. WHY would anybody believe a prophesized "Balance to the force" would be a Light Side Jedi instead of the understaffed Dark Side Sith???!?!? How is adding to the majority any kind of "balance"? Someone extremely powerful to the minority, THAT feels more like balance!
WRT Yavin Prime, the Death Star might have taken longer to recharge for a second shot than it would take to go around the planet. It's not clear that shooting through it like the video suggests would work since gas giants aren't transparent. Also blowing it up first would create a lot of debris that might interfere with the second shot. I think the main criticism here is that the Death Star came out of hyperspace on the wrong side of the planet or when the moon was on the wrong side of the planet and lost the element of surprise.
As I understand it, the rule of two was instituted because a Sith Lord who had three or four apprentices was killed when they ganged up on him, so to prevent that from happening again, each master could only have one apprentice. And since no Sith master would consider another his equal, they fought each other for supremicy until only one was left.
In the novelization, when the movie first came out, there were four paragraphs explaining how she remembered their mother. Flash forward 10 or so years and with the re-release of the original movies they also re marketed the novels. Surprise (Mandela effect has once again snatched away something I very distinctly remember) there is no longer any mention of this in the book.
The Rule of Two makes sense because in Return of the Jedi The emperor tells Luke to take his father’s place. Vader also tells Luke to destroy the Emperor. The Sith always betray each other.
this rule doesn't make sense because everyone broke it, students trained their own students and masters often had a second apprentice, plus palpatine had inquisitors
@@krystiancholewa3822 That was more during the old republic. Darth Bane created the rule of two and then moving forward it was common for the Sith to only have a master and apprentice. The Sith always betray each other, that’s why the Apprentice would have secret apprentice and that’s why the Master always tried to replace the apprentice. Inquisitors aren’t Sith, they had limited power and were only use to make it easier to hunt down the Jedi after Order 66.
Could literally just be from force visions of the past that she thinks are dreams and the feeling of her being sad could be how she felt when he was born since anakin turned to the dark side
If they had made Leia the older twin there could have been some consistency since there was a small moment between Padmé and the first win born. Just a thought
I love how the answers to pretty much all of these plot holes are either "because the writers hadn't thought of it yet," or "because the plot called for it," proving that, despite Lucas and Lucasfilm's best efforts, they've always been just making Star Wars up as they went along.
In regard to #1 on this list, there's also the fact that Vader *owned* R2 as Anakin. The prequels pretty clearly established R2 as being *his* Droid. He should be pretty familiar with what R2 can and cannot do. Obviously, that I'd all in retrospect.
A couple of things - since Leia did not know she was related to Vader and Vader, as far as he knew, had no children, he probably had nothing to pick up on to think of a connection. As far as Luke getting off Hoth, it looks like his group was the last to leave and the star destroyers were most likely to go off after capital ships and not little fighter craft.
Leia remembering her mother is not a plot hole because she even says that somehow she knew Luke was her brother and that’s through the force. She only remembers images and feelings? What feelings? That’s obviously through the force. Also makes no sense as to why Luke’s and Leia’s mother would agree to give up her son even if it’s from protection. Makes no sense as to why Luke wouldn’t even remember her because a mother would at least try to communicate with her son. The force works in mysterious ways.
The reason why they didn't fire at Yavin Prime is because it needed time to recharge. The Death Star uses a Kyber Crystal as it's main source of power. However, it can't fire continuously at least not until the Second Death Star where the Empire made some improvements.
And it wouldn't "penetrate through" but instead just heat up Yavin Prime. Turbolasers (or even real lasers) can't just pass through a planet unhindered, even a gaseous one.
For the Vader not recognizing Leia plot hole, Palpatine led Vader to believe that Luke and Leia died when Padme gave birth. It would make sense Vader not recognizing Leia as his daughter because, prior to the events of Empire Strikes Back, Vader was unaware that his kids were alive. Also, Luke and Leia were named by Padme when she gave birth, and Vader wasn't there, so how would he know his kids names?
The rule of two holds if you remember Vader told Luke at the end of ESB that they could rule the universe as father and son, so Vader was planning on killing the emperor.
The reason Leia can remember her real mother in Return of the Jedi and then Padma dying in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith is because George Lucas Did Not write the original trilogy by himself. But he did write the prequels on his own which explains the plot holes
I think some plot holes are only cause we having a rigid interpretation of dialogues and events. 1) Vader failing to see that Leia was his daughter, seems quite okay. He had no reason to think he had sons, probably the emperor influence would make vader even more blind for family ties. I think that Leia and Vader had already seen eachother before episode IV, afterall she was a daughter of an high member of the senate. 2) The Jedi being forgotten, depends of what it is in 1st place. The Jedi were very much exterminated with order 66. The survivors ran away to faraway systems, for they common people they did dissapear. Yet, there were a resistance group against the emperor, maybe they were not that quite forgottern afterall
Vader saw his mother die, gets his hand cut off, killed his wife, gets his second hand and legs cut off by his master, tortured his daughter, kills his ex master, froze his son in law in carbonite and cuts of lukes hand
Missed a few. 1. How it is when the Imperial Walkers on Hoth withstood a blaster shot from the armor being too thick and when Luke caused it to trip up, they were able to blow it up? 2. Luke uses a cable to ratchet up to the bottom of one, cut it open and drops. He is good 10 to 15 floors high and it should had broken his legs. 3. R2-D2 has been around since Obi- Wan was young. He should have recognized him.
@@DavidLLambertmobile There is a lot of snow though. If you've ever fallen from a tree in thick snow you'd know it doesn't hurt much, and that combined with him being somewhat of a jedi should be well enough.
I have bit of a theory for at least two of these. 1. The Rule of Two does in a way actually make sense, at least when it comes to the Sith. This is also explained in the EU. It works in that every Sith works to undermined and ultimately destroy each other. So to limit this risk of being killed to early or even unexpectedly due to divided attention between multiple apprentices, a Sith Lord or Master only ever has 1 Apprentice. As for what would have happened if Luke did join his father and become Vaders apprentice? Likely the very thing Vader said to Luke. They would work together to take out Palpatine and rule the galaxy as father and son. Aka, Master and Apprentice. 2. Why the Death Star didn't simply shoot through Yavin Prime to destroy Yavin 4. This I have a few theories for. First off, trying to shoot through an Opaque would have a high probability of missing the target on the other side. Second, being a gas giant, their would be a number of possible outcomes from firing a super heated laser through it. Either: A: The laser gets disrupted or dispersed by what ever chemicals, clouds, radiation, ect. the gas giant is made of. B: The potential gravity well in the gas giant could theoretically (We have yet to see or hear of any bullet/laser drop is Star Wars, but is still a possibility) end up curving and/or redirecting the Death Stars beam towards an unintended target. Possibly even slingshoting it back at the Death Star itself. C: The fact they would be shooting a super heated laser through a planet sized ball of gas. And what happens when a super heated substance meets something as explosively combustible as gas? Suffice to say, yeah, that would have taken out Yavin 4, along with Yavin Prime and pretty much anything within perhaps a hundred or so lightyears (may be over estimating, never really bothered learning space math) as Yavin Prime lights up like a Sun going supernova
I can understand an X-Wing making it past the blockade. It's a small fighter sized craft. It was the transports that needed the help. But I always wondered how Luke got to his X-Wing after the battle of Hoth. His speeder crashed behind enemy lines, he takes down an AT-AT, and then next time we see him he's back at echo base getting on his X-Wing. Either he got picked up by someone or he teleported. But we never see that happen. But none of that matters because the story is so good and you're so invested that you don't really notice stuff like that unless you've seen it a hundred times.
The Leia remembering her mother drove me nuts as soon as I saw Padme die. I was like wtf?!? Lucas just ignored stuff it seems from the original movies. I'm fine with Qui-Gon being created for story purposes but they still should have Obi-Won being the one who wanted to teach him, not only doing it because his master died. Anakin should have been older because again Kenobi said "when I first met him, your father was already a great pilot." you mean when he accidentallied his way into blowing up the droid ship? OK....Obi-Won clearly didn't know about Leia in Empire (or the new character they decided not to create) and they could have had just Yoda find out about the twins and tell Obi-Won only of Luke. Hell they could have also used that to say Padme was dead when in reality she was in hiding with Leia and the Organa's. It was just so much laziness.
What about Vader’s offer to Luke to “join me and together we can end this destructive conflict”, which means kill the Emperor and “rule the galaxy as father and son”. Later, on Endor, Luke comes to Vader, but Vader conveniently forgets all about that plan - even though it’s somewhat alluded to in a cut scene from the beginning of ROTJ.
As for the rule of 2, which was never meant to be taken literally, do you not recall when Sidious tried convincing Luke to kill Vader? This would still leave 2, but still it's likely just a general rule
I clearly remember the Emperor saying: "Take your father,'s place, by my side ".That means, is the end for Vader. On the other hand, let's not forget Count Dooku. Was killed by Anakin, the future Darth Vader.
With the first plot hole about darth Vader not sensing the fact that Leia is his daughter what if he could sense it and decided to ignore it so he can continue the plan for the Death Star and the growth of the empire
I always assumed that Leia had a connection to her mother through the force. After all she has feelings and images of her mother, she never mentions actual memories. These could even be remembered from before Leia was born and she specifically remembers the sadness her mother felt.
So, no one is going to point out that #6 is "Why didn't the Empire shot a highly ionised energy beam at a gas giant?" Like, a planet destroying superweapon would, most likely, trigger a chain reaction that will turn Yavin Prime into a star. And, yes, this would destroy the rebels, but it will also destroy the Death Star itself too. I love Jules and know that he didn't write the script, so it's not his fault that the writer doesn't really understand physics. One love ❤️ P.S. Jules is great and I absolutely love him and his content. As much as I love his mom too. That's your one per comment. (If you know, you know, if you don't, don't worry about it.)
I don't think an ionised beam would be energetic enough to actually begin nuclear fusion in the planet. Remember, ionisation and redox reactions are purely chemical. These reactions don't normally provide enough energy to 'overcome' the strong force in the nucleus. I could be wrong though, as this is a universe with magic space wizards and plasma swords.
I always felt Vader didn’t recognize Leia as his daughter because he didn’t know he had one. He had no feelings for her as daughter so there was no connection through the force. In ROTJ, he discovers he has a daughter when he reads Luke’s feelings.
I don't recall, does Vader share any scenes with R2D2 or C3PO? Potential plot hole, not recognizing them. And, how can Luke's lightsaber survive the drop in ESB and show up, pristinely, in TFA.
In early interviews George Lucas worked on and completed the early drafts of the plot details episodes 1-9 a few years before the movies were filmed. The plot holes of Leia and Luke can be explained that Leia was initially not going to be Luke's sister. It was the last minute change in Return of the Jedi that Lucas changed his mind and made her a sibling of Luke. Vader not knowing Leia was his daughter can be explained that Vader probably didn't even think about it and Leia had no knowledge of the Force. If she had Vader would've picked up on it. As far as Luke Skywalker not changing his last name. I don't think anyone on Tatooine really cared or put it together that Luke was Vader or Anikan's son and Darth Vader was busy going after rebels, ex Jedi, even killing his own officers to really care. In Revenge of the Sith he was told that Padme was dead and the child to. So, if you think about it he became very bitter and angry about his past and did t want anything to do with Uncle Owen and aunt Buru. I'd you can program a droid to laugh and make up jokes. You can program them to scream in pain, that nothing new.
As more and more star wars things come out that take place between episode 3 and 4 featuring Jedi, the plothole of people forgetting all about the jedi making less and less sense
I know this comment is a year late, but to me the biggest plot hole in Star Wars was is in Episode IV (A New Hope). Right after Luke, Leia, and Han escape from the the Death Star aboard the Millennium Falcon, Leia says to Han (and I paraphrase) "their escape was too easy and that the Empire must be tracking them". Then they proceed to head directly to the super secret hidden rebel base. Now, if Leia knew they were being tracked, or even if she strongly suspected it, then why would she lead them right to where they wanted to go?? She actually let her own home planet be destroyed rather than reveal the location of the base. So to then risk leading the Empire there herself makes no sense whatsoever. Did she suddenly become an idiot? I know she felt it was important to get the plans to the other rebels quickly, but they could have stayed far from the base and tried to look for the tracker that the Empire placed in the Falcon. Or they could have ditched the Falcon and taken another ship to the base. Or basically anything rather than immediately going there with the Empire hot on their trail. That plot hole has always bugged the hell out of me. If Lucas had just not had her say that, and just had Leia be as unaware as anyone else that they were being tracked, that would have solved the problem.
Believe it or not, Vader didn’t know Luke was his son until after A New Hope. So that plot hole is kind of redundant. In Vader’s (as of now) canon comic line, Boba Fett is the one who gives him the news that Luke’s last name is Skywalker, and Vader realises that he’s his son. So it’s perfectly fine that Vader didn’t realise that Leia wasn’t his daughter.
I really thought in the Obi Wan series, he was going to Jedi some images of Padme into Leias brain so she knew what her mother looked like. A little “gift” when they say goodbye.
Also like to note in the entire original Trilogy R2 and Vader never saw each other face to face, Vader did shoot R2 in 'A New Hope' but that was hardly face to face. However a major plot hole would like to point out is C3PO was bound to Chewie's back during Han's carbon freezing scene and speaking throughout. Anakin would have been able recognize the droid's voice and probably even recognize the droid itself as the one he created as it was shown in comics. So why didn't Vader question the reason for Threepio being with Leia, this kind of coincides with the one where Vader never sensed his familial connection with Leia.
When I read the ROTJ novel in 1983, the impression I got was that Leia's mother actually lived for a couple of years with Leia on Alderaan and died when [Leia] was around 2. Since Leia grew up KNOWING she was adopted (Timothy Zahn made reference to this in "Heir To The Empire"), it made sense. However, in ROTS, the director made it a point to show Padme and Leia making deep eye contact, whereas Luke kept his eyes tightly closed. Leia had a deeper connection to her mother in those moments and the Force kept that memory for her. At least, this is what I believe.
7:53 maybe Obi-Wan did a Vulcan mind meld off-screen when Leia asked him about her real mother during "Kenobi", thus giving her real memories of padme.
RE: Yavin prime. It's not a laser, it's a plasma bolt. Which would have exploded, upon hitting the planet's atmosphere. They are only called 'lasers' or 'blasters'- they actually shoot high energy plasma contained in some sort of magnetic field, which is why they can be parried or dodged.
You know I just had a thought seeing the thumbnail. In the video game fallen order, it's reveled that some force users can see the history of things through the force. Padme was Bail Organa's closest known friend, and she would have surely been to his home before. What if Leia has that ability and without knowing that she's force sensitive, saw her mother, and mistook them for memories?
When it comes to Leia remembering her mother I figured that she either had seen some recordings of Padme's communications or was speaking of Queen Amidala as if she were her mother. Otherwise the screenwriters had been cramming to come up with something when they had nothing.
Which brings up another hole from rogue one. The death star has light engines. Why not stop the station closer to the planet and without an obstruction.
I read somewhere with the rule of two, palpatine was planning on ditching Vader because of his imperfectness (his suit) and that Luke would be a better sith
In general I find that "plot hole" really just means "something that I don't understand". Maybe it's a plot point that wasn't explained well enough, and related to something that happened offscreen. Or maybe it's just something that doesn't really matter. Picking away at them is more annoying that it is anything else.
Biggest plot whole I have noticed is how R2 and C3PO, both knew Anakin before he turned to the darkside. In fact, so did Leah, as R2 was initially owned by Padma, and later C3PO (not to mention Anakin built C3PO) as well. Then there is everything the two droids did during the clone wars. AND in Clone Wars, Anakin risked his life to save R2 in one episode. And yet, none of the characters seem to recognize them in episodes 4, 5, 6.
11. In the beginning of "Return of the Jedi", we see C-3PO and R2D2 approaching Jabba's palace. R2 whistles and tweets, to which 3PO responds "Of course I'm worried. And you should be too. After all Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca never returned from this place". Yet, when they get into Jabba's palace, we see that Lando is there, disguised as a palace guard. But, Chewy does not arrive until later, as Leia's prisoner.
The Emperor wanted Luke to replace Vader. And, Vader wanted Luke to join him to destroy the Emperor. So, the 'rule of 2' still remains. The Emperor and Vader knew each other would scheme against each other over Luke. That is why they kind of worked together to turn Luke. (If that explains it)
10. Those reasons make complete sense, she has always shown a strong will and mind, even more than Luke. There's no plot hole. 9. Do you even watch the movies? Vader tells Luke that together they could take down the Emperor together + if Luke joined the Emperor, he was going to get rid of Vader. 8. Vader hates Tatooine, he was never going to comeback there. Also, THAT WASN'T OBI-WAN'S IDEA 7. Sequels are NOT Star Wars, they don't count. 6. If I remeber correctly, the laser needed to be charged anyway, they couldn't just shoot it whenever they wanted. 5. You're mostly right on that one. Jedi were quite famous but there weren't that many of them and the galaxy is way to big for everyone to know about them. 4. He escaped at the speed of light, next. 3. It's a fictional universe. The right question is why wouldn't they? 2. Finally, a legit plot hole that isn't there to extend the video. 1. You're also right here. So, only 2 valid plot holes, making the video 80% filler. Pay attention to the movies you watch before making a video 💀
Vader has no reason to think his child is alive at all (and he only knew Padme was preggo, not that it was twins), so any amount of force abilities he MIGHT sense in Leia has nothing to do with a familial bond. The Rule of 2 is undone by its own rule being incorrect because the sith are ALWAYS looking for more power, they'll need assistance to take over their current master or maintain power. So they'll get an apprentice on the sly, in the shadows plotting to overthrow their master, or the master will straight up say "hey, fight to the death, prove you're worth my time" as Palps did with Luke and Vader, and Anakin and Dooku. The rule of 2 makes sense more in the short term than long term. Lucas at one point said the name "Skywalker" was kind of like the "Smith" of the GFFA, so it's a fairly common surname. Kind of like Antilles. And again, Vader had no reason to believe his child would be alive so there's no reason he'd look for anyone with that name, since his wife, his mother, and his child and even himself are dead. Nothing in the sequel trilogy is designed to make sense, it's just designed to sell, so don't think about fuel on Jakku. It's just stupid. If the empire fired at Yaving prime (a gas giant) it would have hit nothing, they couldn't guarantee a shot THROUGH it to hit Yavin 4 either, so they had to orbit around. If they did somehow destroy Yavin prime they would have had to wait for a recharge and by then the rebel forces would have abandoned the planet. The Jedi aren't really forgotten, but they're considered mostly extinct, some who weren't around during the time period grew up without Jedi walking about, and even during the time of their reign, in the outer rim where they had no real presence, they may as well have been a myth. Lukes X-Wing got prepped by R2 before he was even back to the base, outside waiting, where the Empire hadn't gotten to yet, then he bailed, opposite side of the planet. Droids don't feel anything, but their programming is so wonderful that they project it, and if they can project it, and they can SEEM to have emotions, then they can be manipulated. Leia's memories of Padme are force visions "just images really, feelings". and I honestly don't have an answer for the hyperdrive, just a goof I guess.
Here's One For You. After Luke Reveals That Leia Was His Sister Leia Says " I've Known. Somehow I've Always Known.". Makes The Kissing Scenes Between Them In The Prior Films A Little Creepy. I Don't Think Lucas Intended That.
#9 Vader was going to kill Palpatine if Luke joined him. #8 Obi Wan had no idea Anakin survived the fight on Mustanfar. He had no reason to fear Luke being found. Not until Luke was nine did he find out Anakin was alive. He thought he killed him again, so he still had nothing to worry about afterwards. #6 A Laser can't blowup a gas planet. The bigger plot hole is why does it take a battle station that is capable of traveling across the galaxy so long to orbit. #3 Droids are programmed to "feel pain" in an effort to play on the feelings of anyone who may do them harm and to trick them to stop. #2 Padme didn't die during childbirth. That was a ruse to trick the Emperor. She was actually taken with Leia to Alderaan, where she died a few years later. The future Disney+ show Princess Leia Teenage Diaries will fix that plot hole.
It's funny that the plot about Luke's last name was a plot hole even back when only the first film existed, and still doesn't make sense even without all knowledge we have of the two sequels and the prequels. Let's say we ignore the fact Vader is Luke's father, and that Tatooine was also Anakin's home planet. Based on just the first film alone, what do we know? We know Luke's last name is Skywalker, we know he lives with his aunt and uncle whose last name is Lars, we know Obi-Wan fought with Luke's father in the Clone Wars, we know that Darth Vader was once Obi-Wan's apprentice and we know that Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father. So based on this info, we know Luke's father's surname was Skywalker, and both Obi-Wan and Vader knew a Jedi Knight named Skywalker who fought in the Clone Wars. Considering this, why wouldn't they have given Luke his aunt and uncle last name, Lars? Why risk Darth Vader discovering the son of the Jedi Knight that he murdered? This is probably just as dumb as Obi-Wan changing his name to Ben but keeping Kenobi as his last name. If he was a former Jedi Knight in hiding and the old master of Darth Vader, why would he keep the same name??
The rule of Two is not so senseless as you might think. A master and his pupil is a perfect balance in the dark side. Considering that the tradition wants the pupil to overcome and replace the master one day, the pupil has to try and dispose of his master. On the other side, the master is in need of a strong pupil, to be able to do his bidding. Sith deal in absolutes and they expect no more that perfection. So a weak pupil is worthless. Therefore the master seeks to either strengthen his pupil or find someone else to replace him. That is why the pupil is constantly either send on difficult missions or the master sends someone after his pupil to test his powers. That is why Anakin had to kill Dooku and why Sidious was prepared to sacrifice Vader to Luke. Makes sense, see?
1. Vader didn't know his child was alive, let alone that Padme had twins. You can't recognize what you never knew existed 2. The rule of two makes a load of sense. The Sith just bend it a lot 3. Obi-Wan hid Luke very well. Why would Vader return to a planet (one planet out of billions mind you) which causes him so much pain? Its perfect 4. The DT does not count. 5. The Death Star either didn't have the ability to accurately fire through things blindly, or firing into a gas giant could've had a cataclysmic outcome of some kind 6. The Jedi weren't forgotten. In the OT, Han and the Imperials outright talk about the Jedi, they just don't believe in the Force. This is simply people not paying attention to the films, and Disney creating misconceptions by being stupid. 7. The Imperial fleet mostly left Hoth, allowing Luke to slip by unnoticed. As Vader was chasing down the Falcon, probably assuming Luke was inside the Freighter, rather than a random X-wing 8. Thats not a plot-hole. Droids probably feel pain as a means to show they're at their limits or that somethings wrong. 9. If Anakin could 'see things before they happen' as a child, then perhaps Leia had a vivid memory. This isn't really a plot hole. 10. Vader only did the Hyperdrive because he wanted to trap the Falcon in the Executor's tractor-beam, so the heroes had no means of escape. Not a plot hole.
Vader doesn’t recognize Leia, I can accept that as they have never met. However, uncle Owen not recognizing 3PO is the biggest plot hole that everyone overlooks. They lived together for 10 years! A new coat of paint doesn’t change anything, it’s Anthony Daniel’s in there. Why would he even ask ‘you must be a protocol droid?’. He knows damn well what he is, he owned him!
Don't forget he has also not seen 3PO for 25 years, I believe! Would you remember your family member if you didn't see them in 25 years? And 3PO doesn't recognize Owen either because he had a memory wipe. Plot hole fixed.
The whole thing with Leia and her mother was a big plot hole for me, as soon as Padme died. In Jedi, Luke specifically asks Leia, "Do you remember your Real mother?" Not your adopted mother. Clearly there is a recognition that the mother that raised her, wasn't her birth mother, hense Luke saying REAL mother. And with Leia answering, yes, that she died when she was very young, that she remembered she was beautiful and kind, had long hair, and being sad. Which meant that Leia understood what Luke meant, by her Real mother, rather than her adopted one. After the prequels, some people said, that you could say that Leia was remembering her adopted mother, rather than her birth mother. But, Leia said that she died when she was very young. So, unless things change in the SW series, Obi Wan, and her adopted mother dies early in S2 or something, ten is hardly very young to only have fleeting memories of her. And if her adopted mother survives right up until Vader blows up Alderan, then again, aged 17-18 you're going to remember a lot more of your mother than again fleeting images. Which brings us back to the fact that Leia remembered her real mother. This has bugged me ever since the screw up of the prequels. It doesn't make sense why Leia would say what she did in Jedi. Unless Leia has some form of genetic memory going on, that Luke clearly doesn't share with his sister, as her clearly says to Leia, that he has no memory of his mother. I like many others grew up believing that after the Twins were separated, Luke was with Owen, and Leia was with her unnamed at the time mother, who died when she was very young, and her stepfather remarried, to the woman that Leia called mother. And was left with fleeting memories or her real mother. And then she lost her adopted parents when Alderan was destroyed. After the prequels, we was left scratching our heads. I for one tend to treat the prequels, as practically another movie franchise and certain sequel events as not a part of the story, as it goes against character.
Honestly some of these are simple enough. 1. Undeveloped storyline as explained 2. Palpatine wanted Vader to turn Luke and then in turn, Luke would have been tasked to kill Vader, preserving the rule of 2. Or Vader, as seen, wanted to and did killed Palpatine, again preserving the rule, had Luke accepted his offer 3. Undeveloped storyline as explained 4. When this movie came out the understanding of how the ships in the SW universe were fueled wasn't widely fleshed out, so the idea that the fuel source would decay over time wouldn't have been a consideration, also its possible Unkar Plott kept it fueled to use for himself to escape if shit hit the fan or had a buyer lined up. 5. The Empire didn't fire on Yavin primarily because it wasn't their target. Also "firing through it" wouldn't have been a good idea....its a GAS giant...it could have ignited creating other issues. Shooting through an object to hit something behind it should always be avoided unless absolutely necessary. 6. The Jedi being forgotten is a hard one, but think about this....only 10,000 of them, even if you say the 10K were just the knights, thats still an infinitesimal number compared to the wider galaxy. They were already super legendary as is. Yeah they led armies in the clone wars, but considered this....how many people worldwide can name elite military units from other countries that fought in WW2. Think about it...can the majority of people from Norway name a famous military unit from Belize that fought in WW2 somewhere? 7. Luke's Escape....easy....the Empire was pre-occupied. They were conducting a ground invasion of a huge rebel base and were waaay more concerned about a ground to space anti-ship cannon that had already claimed one ISD. A random X-wing flying around was of no concern to anybody at that point. 8. Droids feeling pain....yeah....never made sense to me either. 9. Undeveloped storyline as explained 10. This one is more a hindsight plot hole. By the same logic you can say, why didnt they have 100 stormtroopers guarding the MF, why didnt he have all the Cloud City guards disarmed to prevent them from helping. This one was just a victim of hindsight plotholing.
"Beautiful. But sad. Just thoughts really, images." This isn't hard. Her feelings of Padme come from her latent Force sensitivity. She doesn't know that, though, so all she knows is "she died when I was very young." Which is a truth, she was about as young as you can be. She seems to be naturally empathetic, as well, and her descriptions line up with how she might have reconciled force insights as an infant in to the other flashes of memory one has with youth.
I recall dialogue along the lines of: “Do you remember your (meaning our) mother, your real one? I have no memory.” “Yes, though she died when I was very young.” The stretch is Leia’s mother having died in childbirth compared to her having died when she was “very young”. Technically, this could be true. However, we know it’s not what Leia meant when she spoke to Luke in Jedi. To reconcile the matter you either have to disregard the events of the prequels (which is easy) or the events of Jedi (which is less easy, though perhaps not impossible).
@@robt4390 Lucas, in some ways, is the perfect conman. He's all smoke and mirrors with the ability to fool millions of gullible followers into believing his BS. He twists logic and credibility like one of the modern rollercoasters with the loops, and so many idiots believe every bit of crap that he tells them! Simple fact is that he totally forgot the bit where Luke says "your REAL mother" when he was writing ROTS. And you know what? I don't even think he cares how many continuity errors and plot holes his crappy writing creates, because he knows that his devoted fanatics will buy into whatever he does and says without question.
I'm pretty sure #1 is no plot hole. Vader wasn't able to sense who Luke was at first, and he WAS using the Force.
Not to mention Leia didn't even know who she was at the time.
@@petiteminish2863 OK I throw one back at you, why didnt the emperor not sense her? Nor even know of her? Remember he was using the Dark Side to hunt down the remaining Jedi and any beings who could become strong in the force. Leia was strong in the force, as we learn, and the emperor would have sense her. Obi-Wan and Yoda likely were known to live just he didnt see them as a threat. They were old, Leia on the other hand was young. No way he never sensed her. She even was a representative of her planet and a princess and likely was even close to him a few times because of this office.
@@StacieMMeiersame reason he couldn’t find or sense Obi-Wan before he turned old. Obi-Wan was still young in Revenge of the Sith
Part of hunting down the Jedi was also erasing any information that could potentially be used to train other force sensitives.
@@StacieMMeier Leia was untrained, so unlikely to use her Force sensitivity to any great extent and ostensibly the daughter of the ruling family of Alderaan which meant the Empire trying to test her without permission would be difficult at best.
2:55 - Believe it or not, "Hiding in plain sight" works because "To assume the obvious is to overlook the obvious". This works with Leia, as well. Remember, Vader believed that his "child"(children) died with Padme'. He wasn't even looking for a child of his, because he had long believed the child(ren) dead. Also, Luke was in the "outer rim", where it was much less controlled by the Empire, despite their presence on the planet. Leia, on the other hand, was a Senator, and "daughter" of the royal house of Alderaan. Vader had absolutely no clue she was really his daughter (in universe, of course).
For that matter a new hope takes place right after rouge one so when Vader met Leia he had a lot more pressing matters to deal with
This was a plot hole created by the prequels. Originally, Owen Lars was not actually Luke's uncle, but Obi-Wan's brother PRETENDING to be Luke's uncle. The fact that Lucas made that change when there was no reason to do so still annoys me. And it's perfectly believable that Luke's legal surname would be "Skywalker" and not "Lars." Owen could easily have passed for his MOTHER'S brother.
@@SeasideDetective2 if you have to look that far into it that’s not really a plot hole that’s LOOKING for one and if you can’t find one then use some details to make one
The powerful Force should've been an alert for him
@@SeasideDetective2 It proves that he just didn't know what the hell he was doing. He just wrote any old garbage on a whim and sod continuity. After all, as he keeps saying, these are movies for babies and babies don't care for continuity, do they!
In the original book continuity, the answer to why droids in Jabba's palace felt pain, was that they were modified to feel pain in order to be tortured when they didn't do something.
Seems reasonable.
Relatable
My friend said the "droids" made noises, scream from the sounds of the wires, gears ⚙️. Not real pain. Jabba had them wear out, get reduced power. No emotion.
@@DavidLLambertmobile here's the exact quote from the original pre-disney novel Tales from Jabba's Palace (page 275) that originally explained it:
"Ninedenine racked up the gain on
her internal receptors, savoring the intensity of it all. She concentrated her meta-analytical functions on the high-frequency carrier wave generated by the pain-simulator button newly connected to the GNK's central circuits."
But if they didn't do something it would be because they were programmed not to do it. That means they were programmed to be able to ignore commands at random times, and to feel pain for it. That's a lot of extra programming compared to the code simply saying "when told to do something, do it"
If Vader just knew they have R2 with them, he would have never underestimated the rebels😂
When he says "I have you now!" in Ep 4 he is referring to R2 :)
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As an answer to why the empire didn't fire at Yavin prime is because the first deathstar takes 12 hours to recharge its main weapon after firing on full power. So instead of giving the rebels 10 minutes to shoot the exhaust port, they would have given them 12 hours.
I never understand why people think Vader should sense a familial connection to Leia. He didn't sense anything with Luke. When has familial connection ever shown to be something you can sense without any prior knowledge.
And why does Luke escaping Hoth not make sense. He was escaping the planet with multiple other Rebel ships after the blockade was opened by the ion cannon. He also had a hyperdrive unlike the Millennium Falcon so what would have stopped him?
Further more, the Imperial ships were landing "You may start your landing." So the blockade was not really in force very well.
Vader targeting Luke’s X-wing in ANH: The Force is strong with this one.
@@goatchumby That's not family connection. Vader just knew he was strong with the Force. If he could sense he was family he wouldn't have tried to shoot him
The plot hole is how did Luke get to his X-wing when he was behind enemy lines after taking down a walker.
@@angelicalynn1259 He wasn't behind enemy lines. That was a small scout troop sent to destroy the shield generator. The rest of the army was attacking the rebel base which was miles away
the basis of the rule of two as explained in an expanded universe novel was that large numbers of sith would be more likely to fight each other than cooperate against the Jedi, and the actual rule of two was "one to hold the power and one to crave it" with the expectation that when an apprentice became strong enough to overthrow his master, he should. - and in the ROTJ novelization it was pretty clear that Vader's intention was that Luke should help him kill the emperor so they could rule as father and son.
And The Emperors plan was for Luke to kill Vader and replace him as the apprentice as Luke was stronger, right?
The rule of 2 is just lame and makes no sense. The idea that adherents to an ideology based on selfishness, hate and greed would be patient enough to be carry out a plan that took a thousand years to accomplish in which the majority would never live to see it and that at least one of these selfish, greedy people wouldn't just say "screw this, Im not going to train a guy thats just going to kill me someday" seems pretty absurd.
If Vader had asked me to rule the universe with him, I would have snapped his hand off.
Doesn't change the fact that the rule of 2 makes no sense. A system requiring the apprentice to kill the master all the time isn't superior to large numbers, even if that has the risk of internal struggles. New canon has created the Inquisitors as a kind of "lower rank Sith force", and below them the purge troopers, all with some kind of force/lightsaber skills, only to circumvent that problem. Further, it's ridiculous to assume that 2 people can defeat 10.000 (yes I know Palpatine did just that, but still). So why would the Sith limit themselves to that rule?
@@countluke2334 it doesn't make sense to you because you're not a Sith. and I neglected to mention that the incident that led to the formation of the rule of two was the entire order of the Sith nearly killing themselves off because of an internal power struggle.
but to make things more clear: the ideology of the sith is based on trying to become as powerful as possible. any good despot will tell you that the most important element of maximizing your power is to kill off your competition before they can kill you off.
I figured Leia remembered Padmé with the Force, unknowingly. As Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah; "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past. Old friends long gone."
This "she died when I was very young" sounds to me like she actually got to know her personally, no force memories. Actually, why would Leia be the one to "force remember" when Luke was the one trained in the ways of the force?
I’m the first to admit that there are several plot holes in a universe as expansive as Star Wars, but not all of the ones in this list were in fact plot holes. Most of these have reasonable explanations.
As you mentioned, the Rule of Two doesn’t make sense in terms of sustainability for the Sith, but Vader trying to recruit Luke isn’t a counterexample. On Endor, Vader specifically tells Luke that it’s Luke’s destiny to destroy the Emperor.
Vader couldn’t detect that Leia was a family member because she didn’t know either. He only found out later by reading Luke’s active thoughts about her on the Death Star. I always assumed that Vader figured out that Luke was his son through other means. (Your point about Luke keeping his last name is valid, but that seems like more of a foolish decision by Owen and Beru than an impossibility.)
I have always taken the view that Skywalker would be a common name - I find it very unlikely that in a Vast Universe that everyone would be named individually... Hell, I have a very unusual Surname myself - But I have found an entire group dedicated to Marris Family - and found almost 400 People show share my surname!!!
I agree with you - Most of the list has a very reasonable explanation - They are often called plot holes because people refuse to use imagination... And that is NOT how Plot Holes work! A Plot Hole is when something DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS the Stories internal Logic... Few of these do!
The "Rule of Two" doesn't work for, er, "two" reasons. Firstly, in ROTJ both Vader and the Emperor are in the very same room facing off against Luke, trying to convert him at the same time. If that rule existed during the making of ROTJ, then both of them would've been fully aware that the other would have to go in order to accept Luke as an ally. So why are they side by side trying to antagonise him together?
Secondly, all, and I mean ALL, dictators in history have kept hold on power by having multiple henchmen doing their dirty work for them. They have them squabbling and fighting each other in order to get their leader's favour, whilst all the time continually looking over their shoulders. That way they don't have time to threaten the leader's hold on power.
@@white-dragon4424 Vader wants be the Emperor (and have Luke as his Robin) and Sidious wants Luke as a apprentice,simple
Vader only detected that Luke had a sister not who she was until he appears as a force ghost and likely realizes that Leia can see them as well. Also he only senses Luke is strong with the force when Luke uses it to help him destroy the first Death Star. It’s not until he finds out the rebel pilot’s name that any family connection is revealed. Leia is always known as Leia Organa. She actively avoided the association outside of Luke for years.
@@white-dragon4424 I have always taken the view that Palpatine was well aware of the "Rule of 2" but now he was in charge, he was changing the rules to suit his own motives... That's just one theory!
As for your own argument about the Rule of 2... It does not work! Vader wanted Luke to Join HIM and KILL the Palp[atine, While Palpatine simply wanted to convert Luke or see him destroyed by Vader's hand... In both cases, Either Luke or Vader would have to have KILLED one of the Three maintaining a "Rule of 2"
That is made VERY, VERY Clear in ROTJ which means you are being disingenuous.
Lets not forget the fact that Uncle Owen literally bought a droid that used to be on his farm 26ish years earlier. C3PO followed Shmee Skywalker to Lars' farm while Owen very much living there. C3PO ends up leaving with Anakin and padme and decades later, C3PO returns and is captured by jawas who then sell him BACK to Owen and owen just suddenly has no idea who the droid is?
Obi-Wan doesn't recognize them either even though he spent a lot of time with them.
Protocol droids all look the same. Owen was probably like "Hey, I used to have a droid like that. Damn useful, think I'll buy another one since Anakin ran off with mine."
About Luke escaping Hoth, he's also in a small single person fighter. The Empire was focusing on the transports and where they were going and no doubt ignored most small targets.
My explanation for Leia remembering her "mother" is that it was Padme's body double coming to see her when she was very little
Maybe she was a vision? A plot hole they could fix in a Disney + show somehow
There's zero reason to expect Vader to sense any familial connection to Leia, or Luke, for that matter. Simply having the Force--or any form of telepathy/clairvoyance in fiction--does not grant omniscience. Force users have to actively probe another person's mind to extract information. If the person doesn't know something (like Leia having no idea who her real father was), that information can't be found. And as Vader still believed his child died along with Padme, that thought wouldn't even enter his mind as a possibility. At most, Vader may have sensed that Leia has an unusually strong mind and spirit, perhaps indicating a strong untapped connection to the Force. This would intrigue him further, but there's no reason this should cause him to recognize her as family. Vader only recognized Obi-Wan's presence because of their shared history.
And he didn't sense Luke being his son, but he was told, that information being acquired by somebody for some reason. He found about Leia by reading Luke's mind/feelings.
I always wondered about Leia saying she remembered her mother and how she was able to since never actually seeing her
Leia was originally intended to be the older sister, the twins thing came outta nowhere and was never part of the plan. Well there never really was a plan either but at least he tried.
They fixed that in the new kenobi series: obi wan tells leia what was her mother like
Maybe something about the force? Yoda did beleive she was the next chosen one
@@pocketfarts Obi Wan told Luke in ROTJ: "Your twin sister"
@@harrowmarty3 that is not the same as the way she says it in ROTJ. The truth is that Lucas had planned to have their mother in hiding with Leia. He changed it like he changed a lot of things over writing the story. Luke and Leia were not siblings until he wrote ROTJ.
Vader thought his child was dead. Even if he felt force sensitivity from Leia, that doesn't mean they're related
Vader wanted Luke without the Emperor, the Emperor wanted Luke without Vader, rule of two can still apply
Vader thought his child was dead and Anakin swore he'd never return to Tatooine and totally hates sand. He even tells that Commander to see to the retrieval of the Death Star plans because he didn't want to set foot there himself 🙄
If the Death Star destroyed Yavin Prime, the Death Star would've taken a while to recharge. First Death Star required that
Rey had quite the force flashback in Force Awakens, the Obi-Wan Kenobi show would've been the perfect time to show something similar with Leia, they need to do something else with her depicting that so fans can finally shut up about this lol 😝. Leia also said she always knew Luke was her brother, she must remember him too. Breha Organa died when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan, so kinda hard for the memory to be involving her (and Luke asked about Leia's REAL mother). It wouldn't be the only "plot hole" in Return of the Jedi, Threepio says Chewbacca never returned from Jabba's palace and then the Wookiee shows up after the droid
Anakin mother killed by sand people sand joke not that funny dumbass
He wasn’t able to sense that Luke was his son either. It wasn’t until the Emperor told him that the “rebel who destroyed the Death Star” was the Son of Anakin Skywalker that he knew that. He only sensed that the force was strong with Luke, which he also likely sensed with Leia too. Just because he didn’t comment on it doesn’t make it a plot hole
The rule of two isn’t that there can only be two, it’s that there always is at least two. A Master, an Apprentice
Obi-Wan’s decisions when hiding Luke are character decisions and they don’t make a plot hole just cause you disagree with them. Tatooine was not under the rule of the Empire and no one there even knew that Anakin Skywalker became a Jedi or that he was Darth Vader. Anakin was a slave during his time on Tatooine. No one still alive even knew whole he was
You’re talking about a fictional fuel source and just because earth based fuels might evaporate over time, doesn’t mean this fuel does. Also the decision to not drain it is again, a character choice, not a plot hole
The Empire wasn’t trying to destroy any and every planet they could find. As the ruling power in the Galaxy, they knew that even they had limits and couldn’t just go around destroying entire planets that contained unique eco-systems and potential unique minerals and natural resources. That’s why they only destroyed the city of Jedah in Rogue One instead of the entire planet. Also, they destroyed Alderaan both as a punishment to Leia and because they suspected it of a being a Rebel safe planet
The Galaxy didn’t forget about the Jedi, the recent shows and other media that take place between ROTS and ANH clearly show the surviving Jedi as active and that the rebels were even helping them. When Ben says to Luke, I was once a Jedi Knight like your father, Luke doesn’t act confused as to what a Jedi is. Also, the inquisitors were seen killing people for over information about wanted Jedi so most people felt the need to keep quiet about the topic in general
The Empire’s star ships were disabled by the ion cannons. What?
We’re again talking about a fictional universe with tech beyond our wildest dreams. That would be like saying the magic the Asguardians use in the MCU - which has been implied multiple times is actually just a very advanced technology - that it’s a plot hole because there’s nothing comparable in the real world. You have no idea the type of sensations or emotions that can be synthesized and since you aren’t the creator of the universe you don’t get to dictate as such. Disagreeing with a particular tech doesn’t make it a plot hole
Leia could easily have force Spence memories of Padme from the moment she was born. She says she was very beautiful but sad and Padme literally dies of sadness in that moment
His original deal with Lando was that he was going to let Leia and Chewy go. He didn’t disable the Falcon entirely because it would have shown his hand to Lando earlier than he wanted
Remember when using your imagination wasn’t a plot hole?
I've understood the "Rule of Two" as being "They come in twos", as in "We found a Sith, where's the other?" Not to mean there's 2 TOTAL.
Recognizing Leia: As far as he knew, Padme died in childbirth. He had no reason to keep an eye out, and force powers weren't activated in Leia. Luke, on the other hand, had his force powers awakened in him before Vader encountered and identified him during the trench run. It's so odd to feel the force that he took a deeper peek, and ended up discovering the familial connection (perhaps even last minute during their fight on Cloud City). Or perhaps he sensed memories of Luke's home, of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and recognized some of it/them.
Hiding Luke on Tatooine, I would guess Anakin had enough trauma - childhood slavery, then ripped away from his mom for years, then she got kidnapped and tortured to death, initiating the rage that led to him slaughtering the whole tribe - that he wasn't interested in visiting. Also he considered it a crappy place of nothing. The Empire seemed rather absent until they were looking for the droids they were looking for. :)
I figure they didn't blow up Yavin prime because 1) It probably would take AGES to recharge after one shot to then shoot the Rebels. You seem of the opinion that shooting Yavin Prime would destroy the other planet, that isn't THAT guaranteed, and 2) They enjoyed the menacing approach, torture them in anticipation first. "Playing with their food" as it were, they were convinced they had the upper hand and there was no hurry.
Luke's escape from Hoth: I have twin theories. 1) That they had been forgetting something that Family Guy's version pointed out: Space is 3 Dimensional. There's no such thing as a blockage, just go some other direction, and that's what Luke did/remembered. 2) (Newly formed right now) That Luke was EXTREMELY later, enough that the Empire figured everybody left, the Falcon was the last out, LET'S GO! And Luke left after that, a lone straggler in the back. Or a combination of both of these.
Here's one you missed. The Sith are CLEARLY a vast minority, whichever version of the Rule Of Two you go with. The Jedi are so plentiful they have a ruling council. WHY would anybody believe a prophesized "Balance to the force" would be a Light Side Jedi instead of the understaffed Dark Side Sith???!?!? How is adding to the majority any kind of "balance"? Someone extremely powerful to the minority, THAT feels more like balance!
WRT Yavin Prime, the Death Star might have taken longer to recharge for a second shot than it would take to go around the planet. It's not clear that shooting through it like the video suggests would work since gas giants aren't transparent. Also blowing it up first would create a lot of debris that might interfere with the second shot.
I think the main criticism here is that the Death Star came out of hyperspace on the wrong side of the planet or when the moon was on the wrong side of the planet and lost the element of surprise.
As I understand it, the rule of two was instituted because a Sith Lord who had three or four apprentices was killed when they ganged up on him, so to prevent that from happening again, each master could only have one apprentice. And since no Sith master would consider another his equal, they fought each other for supremicy until only one was left.
In the novelization, when the movie first came out, there were four paragraphs explaining how she remembered their mother. Flash forward 10 or so years and with the re-release of the original movies they also re marketed the novels. Surprise (Mandela effect has once again snatched away something I very distinctly remember) there is no longer any mention of this in the book.
The Rule of Two makes sense because in Return of the Jedi The emperor tells Luke to take his father’s place.
Vader also tells Luke to destroy the Emperor. The Sith always betray each other.
this rule doesn't make sense because everyone broke it, students trained their own students and masters often had a second apprentice, plus palpatine had inquisitors
@@krystiancholewa3822 That was more during the old republic.
Darth Bane created the rule of two and then moving forward it was common for the Sith to only have a master and apprentice.
The Sith always betray each other, that’s why the Apprentice would have secret apprentice and that’s why the Master always tried to replace the apprentice.
Inquisitors aren’t Sith, they had limited power and were only use to make it easier to hunt down the Jedi after Order 66.
Leia: they let us go too easy. They’re tracking us.
Han: Not this ship, Sister.
And they’re being tracked.
Its so annoying how many ppl coddle the prequels and try so flippin hard to try and prove its not dogwater. But all the plot holes rly get to me
The Leia remembering her mom has driven me nuts since the first time I saw revenge of the sith
Could literally just be from force visions of the past that she thinks are dreams and the feeling of her being sad could be how she felt when he was born since anakin turned to the dark side
If they had made Leia the older twin there could have been some consistency since there was a small moment between Padmé and the first win born.
Just a thought
I feel like this is just a plot hole, but maybe if leia’s connection to the force is stronger than Luke’s it could be possible
One of the biggest plot holes is why doesn't anyone remember the druids. Vader actually built 3PO and R2 was his astromech for years.
Anakin dumbass
I love how the answers to pretty much all of these plot holes are either "because the writers hadn't thought of it yet," or "because the plot called for it," proving that, despite Lucas and Lucasfilm's best efforts, they've always been just making Star Wars up as they went along.
In regard to #1 on this list, there's also the fact that Vader *owned* R2 as Anakin. The prequels pretty clearly established R2 as being *his* Droid. He should be pretty familiar with what R2 can and cannot do. Obviously, that I'd all in retrospect.
A couple of things - since Leia did not know she was related to Vader and Vader, as far as he knew, had no children, he probably had nothing to pick up on to think of a connection. As far as Luke getting off Hoth, it looks like his group was the last to leave and the star destroyers were most likely to go off after capital ships and not little fighter craft.
Leia remembering her mother is not a plot hole because she even says that somehow she knew Luke was her brother and that’s through the force. She only remembers images and feelings? What feelings? That’s obviously through the force. Also makes no sense as to why Luke’s and Leia’s mother would agree to give up her son even if it’s from protection. Makes no sense as to why Luke wouldn’t even remember her because a mother would at least try to communicate with her son. The force works in mysterious ways.
The reason why they didn't fire at Yavin Prime is because it needed time to recharge. The Death Star uses a Kyber Crystal as it's main source of power. However, it can't fire continuously at least not until the Second Death Star where the Empire made some improvements.
And it wouldn't "penetrate through" but instead just heat up Yavin Prime. Turbolasers (or even real lasers) can't just pass through a planet unhindered, even a gaseous one.
Yes, and there was no rush. Tarkin didn't consider the Rebels a threat, so why bother? I never thought this one to be any plothole, at all.
DS2 was much larger & by improved designs could hit command ships, other space vessels not just planets.
Plus the Death Star would have trouble lining up the shot and the beam could be reflected by the gas giant's atmosphere.
For the Vader not recognizing Leia plot hole, Palpatine led Vader to believe that Luke and Leia died when Padme gave birth. It would make sense Vader not recognizing Leia as his daughter because, prior to the events of Empire Strikes Back, Vader was unaware that his kids were alive. Also, Luke and Leia were named by Padme when she gave birth, and Vader wasn't there, so how would he know his kids names?
bro has the audacity to call this a star wars channel when he clearly has no clue wth hes on about
I agree this channel is a shitshow
I agree what a rubbish channel
I agree too
They should delete the channel all there stuff is crap
I agree with you @moad they don’t know shit
The rule of two holds if you remember Vader told Luke at the end of ESB that they could rule the universe as father and son, so Vader was planning on killing the emperor.
The reason Leia can remember her real mother in Return of the Jedi and then Padma dying in childbirth in Revenge of the Sith is because George Lucas Did Not write the original trilogy by himself. But he did write the prequels on his own which explains the plot holes
I think some plot holes are only cause we having a rigid interpretation of dialogues and events.
1) Vader failing to see that Leia was his daughter, seems quite okay. He had no reason to think he had sons, probably the emperor influence would make vader even more blind for family ties. I think that Leia and Vader had already seen eachother before episode IV, afterall she was a daughter of an high member of the senate.
2) The Jedi being forgotten, depends of what it is in 1st place. The Jedi were very much exterminated with order 66. The survivors ran away to faraway systems, for they common people they did dissapear.
Yet, there were a resistance group against the emperor, maybe they were not that quite forgottern afterall
Before I watch this video I can guarantee at least a couple of these can be explained by the force
Vader saw his mother die, gets his hand cut off, killed his wife, gets his second hand and legs cut off by his master, tortured his daughter, kills his ex master, froze his son in law in carbonite and cuts of lukes hand
Missed a few.
1. How it is when the Imperial Walkers on Hoth withstood a blaster shot from the armor being too thick and when Luke caused it to trip up, they were able to blow it up?
2. Luke uses a cable to ratchet up to the bottom of one, cut it open and drops. He is good 10 to 15 floors high and it should had broken his legs.
3. R2-D2 has been around since Obi- Wan was young. He should have recognized him.
I agree with the Luke, AT AT jump. I said that in the 1980s too, as a kid. Unless Luke used "Force" power to glide down.
@@DavidLLambertmobile There is a lot of snow though. If you've ever fallen from a tree in thick snow you'd know it doesn't hurt much, and that combined with him being somewhat of a jedi should be well enough.
I always thought the whole "Leia remembers her mother through the Force" thing was just a cop out.
I have bit of a theory for at least two of these.
1. The Rule of Two does in a way actually make sense, at least when it comes to the Sith. This is also explained in the EU. It works in that every Sith works to undermined and ultimately destroy each other. So to limit this risk of being killed to early or even unexpectedly due to divided attention between multiple apprentices, a Sith Lord or Master only ever has 1 Apprentice. As for what would have happened if Luke did join his father and become Vaders apprentice? Likely the very thing Vader said to Luke. They would work together to take out Palpatine and rule the galaxy as father and son. Aka, Master and Apprentice.
2. Why the Death Star didn't simply shoot through Yavin Prime to destroy Yavin 4. This I have a few theories for. First off, trying to shoot through an Opaque would have a high probability of missing the target on the other side. Second, being a gas giant, their would be a number of possible outcomes from firing a super heated laser through it. Either:
A: The laser gets disrupted or dispersed by what ever chemicals, clouds, radiation, ect. the gas giant is made of.
B: The potential gravity well in the gas giant could theoretically (We have yet to see or hear of any bullet/laser drop is Star Wars, but is still a possibility) end up curving and/or redirecting the Death Stars beam towards an unintended target. Possibly even slingshoting it back at the Death Star itself.
C: The fact they would be shooting a super heated laser through a planet sized ball of gas. And what happens when a super heated substance meets something as explosively combustible as gas? Suffice to say, yeah, that would have taken out Yavin 4, along with Yavin Prime and pretty much anything within perhaps a hundred or so lightyears (may be over estimating, never really bothered learning space math) as Yavin Prime lights up like a Sun going supernova
I can answer the millennium falcon fuel plot hole with one quote: "THAT'S MIIINE!"
I can understand an X-Wing making it past the blockade. It's a small fighter sized craft. It was the transports that needed the help. But I always wondered how Luke got to his X-Wing after the battle of Hoth. His speeder crashed behind enemy lines, he takes down an AT-AT, and then next time we see him he's back at echo base getting on his X-Wing. Either he got picked up by someone or he teleported. But we never see that happen. But none of that matters because the story is so good and you're so invested that you don't really notice stuff like that unless you've seen it a hundred times.
The Leia remembering her mother drove me nuts as soon as I saw Padme die. I was like wtf?!? Lucas just ignored stuff it seems from the original movies. I'm fine with Qui-Gon being created for story purposes but they still should have Obi-Won being the one who wanted to teach him, not only doing it because his master died. Anakin should have been older because again Kenobi said "when I first met him, your father was already a great pilot." you mean when he accidentallied his way into blowing up the droid ship? OK....Obi-Won clearly didn't know about Leia in Empire (or the new character they decided not to create) and they could have had just Yoda find out about the twins and tell Obi-Won only of Luke. Hell they could have also used that to say Padme was dead when in reality she was in hiding with Leia and the Organa's. It was just so much laziness.
What about Vader’s offer to Luke to “join me and together we can end this destructive conflict”, which means kill the Emperor and “rule the galaxy as father and son”. Later, on Endor, Luke comes to Vader, but Vader conveniently forgets all about that plan - even though it’s somewhat alluded to in a cut scene from the beginning of ROTJ.
Rule of two makes sense. Apparently after the prequels the rule of one began. This means the apprentices are always re0aced and don’t matter
As for the rule of 2, which was never meant to be taken literally, do you not recall when Sidious tried convincing Luke to kill Vader? This would still leave 2, but still it's likely just a general rule
Plus, Vader wanted Luke to join him and destroy the Emperor.
I clearly remember the Emperor saying: "Take your father,'s place, by my side ".That means, is the end for Vader. On the other hand, let's not forget Count Dooku. Was killed by Anakin, the future Darth Vader.
With the first plot hole about darth Vader not sensing the fact that Leia is his daughter what if he could sense it and decided to ignore it so he can continue the plan for the Death Star and the growth of the empire
The droids are programmed to express what we would perceive as pain so their owners would know they are in distress
There are no plot holes, everything goes as I’ve planned it…as always hahahaha
Vader said to Luke “together we can destroy the Emperor” - he didn’t want them to be a “trio”
In 19 years we forget a lot . Ask kids about video cassettes, I pods , cameras and film developing , AOL etc… people move on pretty quickly
I always assumed that Leia had a connection to her mother through the force. After all she has feelings and images of her mother, she never mentions actual memories. These could even be remembered from before Leia was born and she specifically remembers the sadness her mother felt.
Everyone knows the biggest plot hole is how somehow Palpatine returned
So, no one is going to point out that #6 is "Why didn't the Empire shot a highly ionised energy beam at a gas giant?" Like, a planet destroying superweapon would, most likely, trigger a chain reaction that will turn Yavin Prime into a star. And, yes, this would destroy the rebels, but it will also destroy the Death Star itself too. I love Jules and know that he didn't write the script, so it's not his fault that the writer doesn't really understand physics.
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P.S. Jules is great and I absolutely love him and his content. As much as I love his mom too. That's your one per comment. (If you know, you know, if you don't, don't worry about it.)
I don't think an ionised beam would be energetic enough to actually begin nuclear fusion in the planet. Remember, ionisation and redox reactions are purely chemical.
These reactions don't normally provide enough energy to 'overcome' the strong force in the nucleus.
I could be wrong though, as this is a universe with magic space wizards and plasma swords.
I always felt Vader didn’t recognize Leia as his daughter because he didn’t know he had one. He had no feelings for her as daughter so there was no connection through the force. In ROTJ, he discovers he has a daughter when he reads Luke’s feelings.
I don't recall, does Vader share any scenes with R2D2 or C3PO? Potential plot hole, not recognizing them.
And, how can Luke's lightsaber survive the drop in ESB and show up, pristinely, in TFA.
In early interviews George Lucas worked on and completed the early drafts of the plot details episodes 1-9 a few years before the movies were filmed. The plot holes of Leia and Luke can be explained that Leia was initially not going to be Luke's sister. It was the last minute change in Return of the Jedi that Lucas changed his mind and made her a sibling of Luke. Vader not knowing Leia was his daughter can be explained that Vader probably didn't even think about it and Leia had no knowledge of the Force. If she had Vader would've picked up on it. As far as Luke Skywalker not changing his last name. I don't think anyone on Tatooine really cared or put it together that Luke was Vader or Anikan's son and Darth Vader was busy going after rebels, ex Jedi, even killing his own officers to really care. In Revenge of the Sith he was told that Padme was dead and the child to. So, if you think about it he became very bitter and angry about his past and did t want anything to do with Uncle Owen and aunt Buru. I'd you can program a droid to laugh and make up jokes. You can program them to scream in pain, that nothing new.
Sometimes I wonder if the people writing these lists actually know anything about Star Wars past film-level.
Also, how is pain strictly human??
Luke: "I have no memory of my mother."
As more and more star wars things come out that take place between episode 3 and 4 featuring Jedi, the plothole of people forgetting all about the jedi making less and less sense
I know this comment is a year late, but to me the biggest plot hole in Star Wars was is in Episode IV (A New Hope). Right after Luke, Leia, and Han escape from the the Death Star aboard the Millennium Falcon, Leia says to Han (and I paraphrase) "their escape was too easy and that the Empire must be tracking them". Then they proceed to head directly to the super secret hidden rebel base. Now, if Leia knew they were being tracked, or even if she strongly suspected it, then why would she lead them right to where they wanted to go?? She actually let her own home planet be destroyed rather than reveal the location of the base. So to then risk leading the Empire there herself makes no sense whatsoever. Did she suddenly become an idiot? I know she felt it was important to get the plans to the other rebels quickly, but they could have stayed far from the base and tried to look for the tracker that the Empire placed in the Falcon. Or they could have ditched the Falcon and taken another ship to the base. Or basically anything rather than immediately going there with the Empire hot on their trail. That plot hole has always bugged the hell out of me. If Lucas had just not had her say that, and just had Leia be as unaware as anyone else that they were being tracked, that would have solved the problem.
Exactly! This always bugged me. She tells them and Han says “Not this ship, Sister “
Droids feeling pain might be because it prevents them from needlessly damaging themselves
Everyone also overlooks Vader’s helmet about to fly off during his reveal in Empire. The toy helmet did that too.
Believe it or not, Vader didn’t know Luke was his son until after A New Hope. So that plot hole is kind of redundant. In Vader’s (as of now) canon comic line, Boba Fett is the one who gives him the news that Luke’s last name is Skywalker, and Vader realises that he’s his son. So it’s perfectly fine that Vader didn’t realise that Leia wasn’t his daughter.
I really thought in the Obi Wan series, he was going to Jedi some images of Padme into Leias brain so she knew what her mother looked like. A little “gift” when they say goodbye.
I overlook no plot holes, But, I'm powerless to do anything about them.
About no. 4: I think its because Luke‘s hyperdrive actually worked.
Also like to note in the entire original Trilogy R2 and Vader never saw each other face to face, Vader did shoot R2 in 'A New Hope' but that was hardly face to face. However a major plot hole would like to point out is C3PO was bound to Chewie's back during Han's carbon freezing scene and speaking throughout. Anakin would have been able recognize the droid's voice and probably even recognize the droid itself as the one he created as it was shown in comics. So why didn't Vader question the reason for Threepio being with Leia, this kind of coincides with the one where Vader never sensed his familial connection with Leia.
10 always bugged me as is Luke skywalker’s lack of sad when his aunt and uncle died. I mean, dude! They RAISED you! Give us some tears!
When I read the ROTJ novel in 1983, the impression I got was that Leia's mother actually lived for a couple of years with Leia on Alderaan and died when [Leia] was around 2. Since Leia grew up KNOWING she was adopted (Timothy Zahn made reference to this in "Heir To The Empire"), it made sense. However, in ROTS, the director made it a point to show Padme and Leia making deep eye contact, whereas Luke kept his eyes tightly closed. Leia had a deeper connection to her mother in those moments and the Force kept that memory for her. At least, this is what I believe.
7:53 maybe Obi-Wan did a Vulcan mind meld off-screen when Leia asked him about her real mother during "Kenobi", thus giving her real memories of padme.
RE: Yavin prime.
It's not a laser, it's a plasma bolt. Which would have exploded, upon hitting the planet's atmosphere.
They are only called 'lasers' or 'blasters'- they actually shoot high energy plasma contained in some sort of magnetic field, which is why they can be parried or dodged.
You know I just had a thought seeing the thumbnail. In the video game fallen order, it's reveled that some force users can see the history of things through the force. Padme was Bail Organa's closest known friend, and she would have surely been to his home before. What if Leia has that ability and without knowing that she's force sensitive, saw her mother, and mistook them for memories?
That ability is psychometry
Why do Droids feel pain?
Answer: it's funny!!
This was my favorite part when I saw it in theaters, I was 6. Obviously it was for kids.
When it comes to Leia remembering her mother I figured that she either had seen some recordings of Padme's communications or was speaking of Queen Amidala as if she were her mother. Otherwise the screenwriters had been cramming to come up with something when they had nothing.
The reason that the empire didn’t fire on yavin prime is because the superlaser would have to charge up again giving the rebels time to destroy it
Which brings up another hole from rogue one. The death star has light engines. Why not stop the station closer to the planet and without an obstruction.
How did the resistance get from d'qar to ajan kloss? These two planets are both on two ends of the galaxy!
I read somewhere with the rule of two, palpatine was planning on ditching Vader because of his imperfectness (his suit) and that Luke would be a better sith
I like how most of these are entirely the fault of the Disney flicks not paying attention to either the previous flicks or each other.
In general I find that "plot hole" really just means "something that I don't understand". Maybe it's a plot point that wasn't explained well enough, and related to something that happened offscreen. Or maybe it's just something that doesn't really matter. Picking away at them is more annoying that it is anything else.
Great video, bro! 🙏👏
Biggest plot whole I have noticed is how R2 and C3PO, both knew Anakin before he turned to the darkside. In fact, so did Leah, as R2 was initially owned by Padma, and later C3PO (not to mention Anakin built C3PO) as well. Then there is everything the two droids did during the clone wars. AND in Clone Wars, Anakin risked his life to save R2 in one episode. And yet, none of the characters seem to recognize them in episodes 4, 5, 6.
Threepio's memory was wiped at the end of Ep III, and Artoo is really good at keeping secrets.
@@edwardrhoades6957 True, but Obi Wan, and Darth Vader not recognizing them?
I don't recall Vader seeing either droid in the original trilogy, and Obi-Wan didn't seem the type to bother remembering a droid
They looked like other similar droids. We see them in the films.
11. In the beginning of "Return of the Jedi", we see C-3PO and R2D2 approaching Jabba's palace. R2 whistles and tweets, to which 3PO responds "Of course I'm worried. And you should be too. After all Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca never returned from this place". Yet, when they get into Jabba's palace, we see that Lando is there, disguised as a palace guard. But, Chewy does not arrive until later, as Leia's prisoner.
The Emperor wanted Luke to replace Vader. And, Vader wanted Luke to join him to destroy the Emperor. So, the 'rule of 2' still remains. The Emperor and Vader knew each other would scheme against each other over Luke. That is why they kind of worked together to turn Luke. (If that explains it)
10. Those reasons make complete sense, she has always shown a strong will and mind, even more than Luke. There's no plot hole.
9. Do you even watch the movies? Vader tells Luke that together they could take down the Emperor together + if Luke joined the Emperor, he was going to get rid of Vader.
8. Vader hates Tatooine, he was never going to comeback there. Also, THAT WASN'T OBI-WAN'S IDEA
7. Sequels are NOT Star Wars, they don't count.
6. If I remeber correctly, the laser needed to be charged anyway, they couldn't just shoot it whenever they wanted.
5. You're mostly right on that one. Jedi were quite famous but there weren't that many of them and the galaxy is way to big for everyone to know about them.
4. He escaped at the speed of light, next.
3. It's a fictional universe. The right question is why wouldn't they?
2. Finally, a legit plot hole that isn't there to extend the video.
1. You're also right here.
So, only 2 valid plot holes, making the video 80% filler. Pay attention to the movies you watch before making a video 💀
+ droids have pain receptors
#11 Why doesn't Vader recognize his R2 droid?
Vader has no reason to think his child is alive at all (and he only knew Padme was preggo, not that it was twins), so any amount of force abilities he MIGHT sense in Leia has nothing to do with a familial bond. The Rule of 2 is undone by its own rule being incorrect because the sith are ALWAYS looking for more power, they'll need assistance to take over their current master or maintain power. So they'll get an apprentice on the sly, in the shadows plotting to overthrow their master, or the master will straight up say "hey, fight to the death, prove you're worth my time" as Palps did with Luke and Vader, and Anakin and Dooku. The rule of 2 makes sense more in the short term than long term. Lucas at one point said the name "Skywalker" was kind of like the "Smith" of the GFFA, so it's a fairly common surname. Kind of like Antilles. And again, Vader had no reason to believe his child would be alive so there's no reason he'd look for anyone with that name, since his wife, his mother, and his child and even himself are dead. Nothing in the sequel trilogy is designed to make sense, it's just designed to sell, so don't think about fuel on Jakku. It's just stupid. If the empire fired at Yaving prime (a gas giant) it would have hit nothing, they couldn't guarantee a shot THROUGH it to hit Yavin 4 either, so they had to orbit around. If they did somehow destroy Yavin prime they would have had to wait for a recharge and by then the rebel forces would have abandoned the planet. The Jedi aren't really forgotten, but they're considered mostly extinct, some who weren't around during the time period grew up without Jedi walking about, and even during the time of their reign, in the outer rim where they had no real presence, they may as well have been a myth. Lukes X-Wing got prepped by R2 before he was even back to the base, outside waiting, where the Empire hadn't gotten to yet, then he bailed, opposite side of the planet. Droids don't feel anything, but their programming is so wonderful that they project it, and if they can project it, and they can SEEM to have emotions, then they can be manipulated. Leia's memories of Padme are force visions "just images really, feelings". and I honestly don't have an answer for the hyperdrive, just a goof I guess.
Here's One For You. After Luke Reveals That Leia Was His Sister Leia Says " I've Known. Somehow I've Always Known.". Makes The Kissing Scenes Between Them In The Prior Films A Little Creepy. I Don't Think Lucas Intended That.
#9 Vader was going to kill Palpatine if Luke joined him.
#8 Obi Wan had no idea Anakin survived the fight on Mustanfar. He had no reason to fear Luke being found. Not until Luke was nine did he find out Anakin was alive. He thought he killed him again, so he still had nothing to worry about afterwards.
#6 A Laser can't blowup a gas planet. The bigger plot hole is why does it take a battle station that is capable of traveling across the galaxy so long to orbit.
#3 Droids are programmed to "feel pain" in an effort to play on the feelings of anyone who may do them harm and to trick them to stop.
#2 Padme didn't die during childbirth. That was a ruse to trick the Emperor. She was actually taken with Leia to Alderaan, where she died a few years later.
The future Disney+ show Princess Leia Teenage Diaries will fix that plot hole.
It's funny that the plot about Luke's last name was a plot hole even back when only the first film existed, and still doesn't make sense even without all knowledge we have of the two sequels and the prequels. Let's say we ignore the fact Vader is Luke's father, and that Tatooine was also Anakin's home planet. Based on just the first film alone, what do we know? We know Luke's last name is Skywalker, we know he lives with his aunt and uncle whose last name is Lars, we know Obi-Wan fought with Luke's father in the Clone Wars, we know that Darth Vader was once Obi-Wan's apprentice and we know that Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father. So based on this info, we know Luke's father's surname was Skywalker, and both Obi-Wan and Vader knew a Jedi Knight named Skywalker who fought in the Clone Wars. Considering this, why wouldn't they have given Luke his aunt and uncle last name, Lars? Why risk Darth Vader discovering the son of the Jedi Knight that he murdered? This is probably just as dumb as Obi-Wan changing his name to Ben but keeping Kenobi as his last name. If he was a former Jedi Knight in hiding and the old master of Darth Vader, why would he keep the same name??
how do you know the fuel would have evaporated. this isnt up to usual standard
The rule of Two is not so senseless as you might think. A master and his pupil is a perfect balance in the dark side. Considering that the tradition wants the pupil to overcome and replace the master one day, the pupil has to try and dispose of his master. On the other side, the master is in need of a strong pupil, to be able to do his bidding. Sith deal in absolutes and they expect no more that perfection. So a weak pupil is worthless. Therefore the master seeks to either strengthen his pupil or find someone else to replace him. That is why the pupil is constantly either send on difficult missions or the master sends someone after his pupil to test his powers. That is why Anakin had to kill Dooku and why Sidious was prepared to sacrifice Vader to Luke. Makes sense, see?
1. Vader didn't know his child was alive, let alone that Padme had twins. You can't recognize what you never knew existed
2. The rule of two makes a load of sense. The Sith just bend it a lot
3. Obi-Wan hid Luke very well. Why would Vader return to a planet (one planet out of billions mind you) which causes him so much pain? Its perfect
4. The DT does not count.
5. The Death Star either didn't have the ability to accurately fire through things blindly, or firing into a gas giant could've had a cataclysmic outcome of some kind
6. The Jedi weren't forgotten. In the OT, Han and the Imperials outright talk about the Jedi, they just don't believe in the Force. This is simply people not paying attention to the films, and Disney creating misconceptions by being stupid.
7. The Imperial fleet mostly left Hoth, allowing Luke to slip by unnoticed. As Vader was chasing down the Falcon, probably assuming Luke was inside the Freighter, rather than a random X-wing
8. Thats not a plot-hole. Droids probably feel pain as a means to show they're at their limits or that somethings wrong.
9. If Anakin could 'see things before they happen' as a child, then perhaps Leia had a vivid memory. This isn't really a plot hole.
10. Vader only did the Hyperdrive because he wanted to trap the Falcon in the Executor's tractor-beam, so the heroes had no means of escape. Not a plot hole.
Vader doesn’t recognize Leia, I can accept that as they have never met. However, uncle Owen not recognizing 3PO is the biggest plot hole that everyone overlooks. They lived together for 10 years! A new coat of paint doesn’t change anything, it’s Anthony Daniel’s in there. Why would he even ask ‘you must be a protocol droid?’. He knows damn well what he is, he owned him!
Don't forget he has also not seen 3PO for 25 years, I believe! Would you remember your family member if you didn't see them in 25 years? And 3PO doesn't recognize Owen either because he had a memory wipe. Plot hole fixed.
The whole thing with Leia and her mother was a big plot hole for me, as soon as Padme died.
In Jedi, Luke specifically asks Leia, "Do you remember your Real mother?" Not your adopted mother. Clearly there is a recognition that the mother that raised her, wasn't her birth mother, hense Luke saying REAL mother. And with Leia answering, yes, that she died when she was very young, that she remembered she was beautiful and kind, had long hair, and being sad. Which meant that Leia understood what Luke meant, by her Real mother, rather than her adopted one.
After the prequels, some people said, that you could say that Leia was remembering her adopted mother, rather than her birth mother. But, Leia said that she died when she was very young. So, unless things change in the SW series, Obi Wan, and her adopted mother dies early in S2 or something, ten is hardly very young to only have fleeting memories of her.
And if her adopted mother survives right up until Vader blows up Alderan, then again, aged 17-18 you're going to remember a lot more of your mother than again fleeting images.
Which brings us back to the fact that Leia remembered her real mother.
This has bugged me ever since the screw up of the prequels. It doesn't make sense why Leia would say what she did in Jedi. Unless Leia has some form of genetic memory going on, that Luke clearly doesn't share with his sister, as her clearly says to Leia, that he has no memory of his mother.
I like many others grew up believing that after the Twins were separated, Luke was with Owen, and Leia was with her unnamed at the time mother, who died when she was very young, and her stepfather remarried, to the woman that Leia called mother. And was left with fleeting memories or her real mother. And then she lost her adopted parents when Alderan was destroyed.
After the prequels, we was left scratching our heads.
I for one tend to treat the prequels, as practically another movie franchise and certain sequel events as not a part of the story, as it goes against character.
Well the prequels sucked, so....
Just imagine, Luke Lars.
Honestly some of these are simple enough.
1. Undeveloped storyline as explained
2. Palpatine wanted Vader to turn Luke and then in turn, Luke would have been tasked to kill Vader, preserving the rule of 2. Or Vader, as seen, wanted to and did killed Palpatine, again preserving the rule, had Luke accepted his offer
3. Undeveloped storyline as explained
4. When this movie came out the understanding of how the ships in the SW universe were fueled wasn't widely fleshed out, so the idea that the fuel source would decay over time wouldn't have been a consideration, also its possible Unkar Plott kept it fueled to use for himself to escape if shit hit the fan or had a buyer lined up.
5. The Empire didn't fire on Yavin primarily because it wasn't their target. Also "firing through it" wouldn't have been a good idea....its a GAS giant...it could have ignited creating other issues. Shooting through an object to hit something behind it should always be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
6. The Jedi being forgotten is a hard one, but think about this....only 10,000 of them, even if you say the 10K were just the knights, thats still an infinitesimal number compared to the wider galaxy. They were already super legendary as is. Yeah they led armies in the clone wars, but considered this....how many people worldwide can name elite military units from other countries that fought in WW2. Think about it...can the majority of people from Norway name a famous military unit from Belize that fought in WW2 somewhere?
7. Luke's Escape....easy....the Empire was pre-occupied. They were conducting a ground invasion of a huge rebel base and were waaay more concerned about a ground to space anti-ship cannon that had already claimed one ISD. A random X-wing flying around was of no concern to anybody at that point.
8. Droids feeling pain....yeah....never made sense to me either.
9. Undeveloped storyline as explained
10. This one is more a hindsight plot hole. By the same logic you can say, why didnt they have 100 stormtroopers guarding the MF, why didnt he have all the Cloud City guards disarmed to prevent them from helping. This one was just a victim of hindsight plotholing.
"Beautiful. But sad. Just thoughts really, images."
This isn't hard. Her feelings of Padme come from her latent Force sensitivity. She doesn't know that, though, so all she knows is "she died when I was very young." Which is a truth, she was about as young as you can be. She seems to be naturally empathetic, as well, and her descriptions line up with how she might have reconciled force insights as an infant in to the other flashes of memory one has with youth.
Any explanation why Luke couldn't remember her, especially with his powers being far more advanced?
Plus they backed up this knowledge of her mother with what Obi-Wan tells her about Padme in his series.
I recall dialogue along the lines of:
“Do you remember your (meaning our) mother, your real one? I have no memory.”
“Yes, though she died when I was very young.”
The stretch is Leia’s mother having died in childbirth compared to her having died when she was “very young”.
Technically, this could be true. However, we know it’s not what Leia meant when she spoke to Luke in Jedi.
To reconcile the matter you either have to disregard the events of the prequels (which is easy) or the events of Jedi (which is less easy, though perhaps not impossible).
@@robt4390 Lucas, in some ways, is the perfect conman. He's all smoke and mirrors with the ability to fool millions of gullible followers into believing his BS. He twists logic and credibility like one of the modern rollercoasters with the loops, and so many idiots believe every bit of crap that he tells them!
Simple fact is that he totally forgot the bit where Luke says "your REAL mother" when he was writing ROTS. And you know what? I don't even think he cares how many continuity errors and plot holes his crappy writing creates, because he knows that his devoted fanatics will buy into whatever he does and says without question.
4:47 I believe gas giants actually do have dense liquid/rocky cores