The BEST Move Of Each Type In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Inspired by Mockrock's video on the best move of each type which you can find here: ( • The Best of EVERY Smas... ) I wanted to make my own version in tandem with my editor Cody to offer our own opinions on what we think the best moves are in Smash. Hope you like long videos because this one will be the longest one yet!
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did nobody talk about little mac uptilt?
I've been binging the "why no one plays" and "why everyone plays" videos! Thanks for the great in depth content!
Steve should've made into the D-air category. It doesn't spike, but it's so good at killing. While being afraid of being stuck airborne, Steve players can use Anvil to descend down. Furthermore, Steve's disadvantage is improved since you can stall after a specific amount of time.
Anvil's also great at whiff punishing and edgeguarding as well.
I only want to mention 1 move for each category that i think should have been mentioned:
Jab: Jigglypuff for combos and safety
F tilt: Terry for safety, speed and invincibility
Up tilt: Bayo for combos
Down tilt: Bayo for combos (main bias)
Nair: K rool for disadvantage, edgeguards and combos (armor essentially)
Fair: Sephiroth/Belmonts for recovery, spacing, kill and safety
Bair: Meta Knight for kill, combo finisher, tech chase starter and drag downs
Down air: Falco cause IS SO SICK
Up air: Incineroar because HE CAN LADDER with it and kill
Dash attack: Ganon it's the best BY FAR imo, it does everything, even combos
Neutral B: Piranha plant
Side B: Incineroar
Up B: Kazuya becuase it kills for no reason and has a dumb hitbox
Down B: Meta Knight because it's a free "respect me" option, similar to ZSS but no quite as good
Sry for the long comment, but the video was SO cool, great job ^^
Also, Kaz Up B is the only FGC fighter Up B that snaps ledge
@@Uncreative789ryu and kens up b snap to ledge. I believe terry is the only one that doesnt
Down Smash: Sephiroth - long range (especially with the tipper shockwave), hits far off the ledge, and shield breaks.
@@Amoro22I think he means snaps to ledge no matter the position
I can’t believe they didn’t mention Terry forward tilt. That move’s a crime.
bro squirtle's ftilt is broken. safe, quick, disjoint, decent range, combo starter, tech chase at high pourcents... for me it's top 3 by a lot
didn't you say that Guardian Orbitars (Pit's Down B) are insane in the top 5 most underrated character videos? or is pit's down B isnt as good as the ones on the list?
Not sure if I missed it but was there a point in this discussion where it flipped from “moves in isolation” (i.e. best move in terms of application to literally any char) to “moves planted on a broken ass amalgamation of all the fucked moves” cuz I feel like the start of this video had VERY different metrics to the end lol
not to imply its a lesser discussion by any stretch, was just enjoying some of the passing problem solving where you've got a cooked move that just wouldn't do much on certain character archetypes, or would even potentially undo something else on their kit that better synergises with it than whatever the S tier move was
@@poultriarchyyeah but I think that would make the video twice as long
@@Dontannoyme34894 maybe, but they were doing just fine initially, seemed only much further into the video the shift in metrics began to occur. Wouldn’t need to go in super detail, just felt like the conversation got less interesting to me as they pivoted to “what if Roy had monado, g&w up B, and an m1911” type discourse
Sora Nair is like top 3. Steve forward smash and side b are also really good.
Vars’ friend had no idea what he was talking about with greninja’s dash attack
I think Mewtwo was worth picking over Chrom for the 5th best jab for the amount of damage they are able to deal with it.
Puff jab is extremely safe combos and can do jair so that should of been top 5
I honestly think Kirby's normals are broken. Up tilt and down tilt are obvious, but also Up smash is intangible, crazy strong, and hits on platforms, forward smash has weirdly high range for such a powerful move, fair does 15%, combos, and kills, and is super safe, and Nair and Up air are powerful safe combo and kill tools too. And then Dash attack is strong as hell and weirdly safe. All around fantastic A moves.
Bair is also crazy it's an out of shield that kills early
I STRONGLY disagree with a lot of these picks, but I respect your opinion
It's also okay to have wring opinions (aka when they aren't my opinions) :)
I wish Kirby had a sword or the weapon of the opponent when he inhales a character. He already has trouble getting in to fight.
Feel like belmont down tilt could have made the list. Move is a great get out of the corner move and could set up for edge guards with characters with a better off stage game.
surprising they never brought up lucas for fair
Best Special B: Falcon Punch
Best Side Special B: Bowser Grab
Best Up Special B: Mewtwo Teleport
Best Down Special B: The Counters
what
@@andreazhabthey know what they are talking about
never let bro cook again 💀
But you are right about Bowser's Whirling Fortress being among the best side B tho.
Bowser or Incineroar have gotta be in the convo for their side b, those command grabs kill you for shielding so easily
I think Pac-man's dash attack and F-smash should have at least been mentioned.
Also, I've been wondering. Which move is better, Charge shot or Shadow ball?
i'd argue charge shot is better just because it's faster and does more damage fully charged. charge shot also comes out a few frames faster. just my point of view though
His dash attack is pretty fake. It’s only safe on the final hit (the others are around -14, meaning you can OOS between hits) and is very unsafe on whiff and slows you down, making it a mediocre burst movement option especially due to the subpar range and lackluster reward if you DI out. It's only good because of the lack of endlag but is a lackluster dash attack otherwise, so it's just mediocre. Fsmash is really good though and should’ve been mentioned though I wouldn’t say it’s top 5 (just because of Mario's and Sonic's and other better Fsmashes, though imo Pac's is the most balanced in terms of overall strength), and Bonus Fruit should’ve been in the top 5, especially because of Galaxian, the most underrated Fruit by non Pacs aside from Key.
charge is better even if its not as spammable
@@RedWhaley14 Also, pacman's dash attack has no kill power.
I feel like they forgor about pac man aerials.
Dang, you don't think sora's nair is top 5?
Yo how was Steve not even mentioned for best Side-B? It kills, burst option, command grab, and a recovery mixup. You do use materials but it like what if inkling roller hit through shield and they're on the opposite side of the map.
Maybe they didn't want to mention it because it uses materials. Without that limitation, which is the case for other characters, it would be absolutely crazy.
That's what I'm saying. I'm a Incin main and I'm like he got it
F-smash: there are 3(4) frame 10 F-smashes in the game (Marcina, Pits, Samus, Steve (Gold)) For raw wiff punish smash F-smash I say pound for pound Pit is the best, Marcina starts above them and is weaker (ignoring tipper) and Samus has a sourspot, Steve has a resource I guess.
Nair: Brawler should be in the top 3 tier. No argument because it going up a spot or two does not matter. But I value the combo and tech chase parts of the move more than Link being big at the cost of 4 frames (not that link is not top 5).
Dair: Pit has the best combo Dair in the game and would actually have better air to air combos on a character that does not pay the multi jump tax, because as is he sends most characters to high to combo into his frame 10 aerials bar Up-air with a specific hitbox. So give it to a character with a better second jump or an aerial faster than frame 10 and see some more results. It is a -8 disjoint that starts combos from 0-death% (including kill confirms) grounded and from 20%-70% when airborne (sourhit against Mario weight). Can be used to camp as the disjoint is relatively big as to beat any non sword move and trade with sword moves, though this use is hampered when not on a multi jump or super mobile character. Also it spikes I guess it is a weak spike but it is enough to kill most of the cast around 50% be it through a gimp or actually killing them.
No Pit Bias here, the F-smash comment is only in the context of wiff punish and nothing else (overall the move would not even be top 10). And people just overlook Dair. Comparing to the top 5, I say it is overall better than Pyra as I value the combo trees more than the added kill power, G&W negating disadvantage is hard to compare to but putting it in that lens I can't honestly put Pit above that. Snake is just an OOS option when not in a trappers kit as if they are not inside of you it is easy to get out the last hit, if they are inside of you then it is a 50/50 is they hard commit to an SDI direction. As for Megaman it just has to much lag it is tied for the slowest aerial in the game with Snake Fair if I recall correctly has total frames over a second long and 29 frames of endlag, +2 on shield is not enough to compensate for those numbers.
Other than the points in the comment I don't see much disagreement from my point of view. I guess Pyra Fair but Bowser. And apply that logic to most trains of thought, Ike up-air just do Corrin same thing but faster.
Best Neutral B is honestly debatable. Kirby has the most versatile due to the ability to use all of the others although it is heavily matchup dependent. Steve has a very broken block mechanic. Although it is primarily due to the physics behind Steve. Shulk's Monado Arts would benefit any character greatly. However it would drastically raise the difficulty ceiling for every character. If MALLC and Dial Storage is universal then it would make using characters that are already complex nearly impossible to use. These I consider to be the big three.
there is no debate for Kirby’s neutral b
@@belguteigan-ochir3545 Too matchup dependent
I think Rosa's upsmash deserved a mention. Really quick and pretty decent kill power.
About Mythras down B : You can switch to Mythra but she has her normal move set. So you can only switch ones, because Mythra would switch to Pyra. I think that would be funny af.
Kinda suprised to see a lack of Meta Knight but makes sense since he is Mid Tier Knight. Dimensional Cape and Fsmash are genuinly busted though, especially the cape
I truly think Incineror's side b is the best move in the game
Ik this isnt related but could u do a why everyone plays mario i think that would be a great idea given his tournamnet succes
i think ganon's nair is pretty damn good.
No duck hunt for neutral b is criminal imo! Any better character would make so much out of it
Charizard up throw is stronger even without platforms
I was thinking about the down B, and if you switch to mythra, you are now locked into playing aegis, because you didn’t change mythras down B, it would just be pyra again
DK f tilt is up there
Commenting for the algo! (Love these kinds of vids)
You mentioned pyra's turn into mythra being the best, or a transformation into another theoretical broken custom character. That might be picking the obvious cheater option, but what if we just went further and used trainer's transformation between three different broken characters
Did anyone else notice the Christmas music?
Just give Ganon crouch dash and electric
IU need to get back to work on my doc for this.
Need MockRock to react to this.
I kept a list on what the biggest exclusions IMO were.
Banjo's Down Tilt
Sora's Nair
Sora's Fair
Sephiroth's Up Air
Banjo's Side B
Piranha Plant's Neutral B
Steve's Up B
Luigi's Down B
BROOO WHY DIDNT YALL PUT LUCAS OR KIRBY D TILT
I’m surprised no mega man lemons for jab
Notification gang ⬇️
How was ivy dair left out like what,
Greninja dtilt is better than Y. Link. Frame 5, -12 on shield, fairly safe if spaced. If Gren can combo his 16 frame fair into it at around 90% other characters could do some mean shit with it.
Mewtwo down B def should've made the cut. Super strong, low commitment, has intangibility, can be forced with techs, and can be combo'd into.
Do we also get Yoshi’s shield?
I thought I'd recognized that piano music I hear in the background...That's from Latale. Man thanks for the nostalgia trip there.
I would have called you biased for not putting cloud up b as top 5 had you not presented the flawless argument of "but g&w tho".
Bowser jab should b around #9. Combos into grab, sets into tech chases/jab locks w no techs, and kills
Nobody talks about kazuya down throw, he can combo into a tilt at even mid percents
Lowkey this entire video sounds like asmr. Your voice is mad soothing.
BROS GOT WE WISH YOU A MARRY CHRISTMAS PLAYING IN SEPTEMBER 😭
f smash contender: pac god fsmash villager bowling ball
Surprised Min-Min or Pyra Ftilt didn't make top 5
Strong disagree about Kazuya not being top 3 for jabs. It is a deceptively good mix up tool when you go for jab 1 into electric, his 3 hit finisher, forcing someone off ledge if you start the combo near it, making a lesser skilled player panic and/or catching someone sleeping and doing 40%~ for free. Sometimes certain characters can be stun locked with properly timed jab 1s at the right percentages. Its really disruptive as a mix-up tool when used properly and really discourages rushdowns from getting in your face.
But you won’t have electric…
When is every character best moves part 3 coming ?
Guarding Orbs for the down b for the Pits
Incineroar has the strongest forward throw.
Imagine sonic with zelda's down b
Algorithm
My hopes for Ness pk fire were dashed 😛
Byleth should've been an honorable mention for down air
It's terribly slow and laggy
Too slow.
Wooooaaahhh an hour of vars HUGE
1.5 hours of Vars? Hypeeeee
Little Mac has to be one of the best neutral Bs, he realistically gets a final smash at the very least once a game
KO Punch is not Little Mac's Neutral B, it's his Fighter Ability
@@RisenSlash if I recall correctly, you activate it by pressing neutral b, he just had conditions he has to meet before using it
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nice. thanks!
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Mii brawler side b command grab and punching up b are insanely great moves
This video make Steve looks like mid tier 😳
nah in nair they forgot sora