I feel as though I should clarify my comments on Sonic 2's diversity quota, as it may seem over the top considering the video's subject matter. This stance is based on Paramount's track record with such mandates, specifically how they'll force it on a script regardless of whether or not it fits. It's an industry wide Hollywood issue and Paramount have been shown to participate heavily in it, modern Star Trek being the main example. I understand it may come across as rather inflammatory for a Sonic video, but it's an issue I felt worth highlighting as I believe it's a problem in Western media and I wish SEGA would exercise more control over their IP to prevent Californian nonsense infecting their scripts.
No way you made this whole video and thought to yourself. "Yeah people are gonna 100%. take me seriously when I talk about wokeness in sonic the hedgehog."
@@Electrix21Sonic's first voice actor was black And it was about a gang of freedom fighters. Like telling me you know nothing about sonic without telling me. To be clear, I'm talking about him. Not you specifically.
*Black family exists in movie.* "FORCED DEI!!!". This is my issue with this talking point. How do you have diverse characters without it being perceived as forced? I've yet to get an answer. If a normal family is seen as forced, there is simply no winning. So I can only come to conclusion that jumping to DEI when seeing black characters is rooted in racism. I don't think the wedding scene was to meet a diversity quota.
Even if it was to meet a quota, cynical Hollywood checkboxes have existed longer than most of us have been alive, and nobody ever complains about it until they grow up, stop enjoying kids movies and are desperate for a reason why. "No, I'm not getting old. Movies are just getting worse!" Notice how they never rant about black characters in the products THEY grew up with. How come the rapping in Sonic Adventure 2 isn't woke?
Because he’s a chud. He complains about Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek being ruined by DEI. Focused on a game journalist who looked to be non binary. You know this guy jerks off to Rouge rule 34 art
Do we all remember that one bit from the SADX manual? Where it says the only thing Sonic hates is oppression? Oh, no reason, I was just reminded of it.
Bruh the entire fanbase conveniently forgot that line during the tssz thing and continue to fundamentally misunderstand what it means. I don’t think it’s too important to them beyond material for ez internet points
Shit needs to be in more than just the manual. We gotta spoon feed this to people apparently or else they conveniently ignore it. Also Sonic is inspired by Bill Clinton so he’s Democrat coded. I would say more very innocuous things about it but the inclusive D word is censored on RUclips, so… damn.
Sonic Unleashed does not FORCE diversity into sonic wat? It was used as a creative way of showing the different areas of the planet, as it was adjacent to the plot
@@blueblizzardwolf6751 wth u mean no such thing as forced diversity? Have you lived under a rock? It exists bro, obviously not for the sonic franchise, but take a look at many of these new Hollywood releases and you’ll know Plus I don consider sonic a kids franchise, but I’m assuming u one of those folks who say it is 😔
"Respecting the IP" ...oh brother. Sonic cares about his friends in the games. His risks everything to keep them safe game after game. Why should he not care about the people around him and make a family dynamic in the movies? Every single game entry has him going on an adventure and making at least ONE new friend or ally along the way. Its part of what makes Sonic's adventures so enjoyable. It's not even just him. Tails. Knuckles. Silver. Blaze. Amy. SHADOW. Shadow's arc is centered around the very CONCEPT of losing family and gaining new friends then doing everything in his power to live on for them. Dude clearly didn't watch the wedding scene that served to introduce G.U.N. and provide comic relief for the general audience. That scene wasn't woke or toxic at all it was comedy and world building for new fans to the series and context for older fans as well.
He seems like doesn't remember the story of Sonic 3&K, or SA1, or SA2, Heroes... Heck, the Chao Garden. When i played Sonic Adventure 2 i learned that the villains are the GUN. Not Ivo Robotnik (Eggman), or Gerald.
I will say this. Yes. Shadow fulfilled his promise to Maria in SA2. That does NOT mean he has made peace with it. He was ready to basically die on that high note. Hero’s was a good portrayal however, Shadow couldn’t remember much so him “making friends” and “moving on” was based on memory loss. Shadow the hedgehog, as flawed as it was, tackled him remembering who he was. What I’m saying is this: people complaining about shadow not being over Maria is quite thoughtless. The level of PTSD he has isn’t something he would just get over quickly. That takes years to heal.
IF he accepts help, because with the egocentric nature he has acquired, it will be very difficult to move forward... it's no wonder Izuka said that the shadow will become more villainous from now on... if he continues acting like this, relapses and worsening of his personality will be inevitable
@@beatrizkassar123 Exactly. While I really dislike the idea of Shadow being evil again, based on this thought it makes sense. It truly does make us think of moral ambiguity. I would prefer it being a form of long term character development of him slowly getting better and better, but I understand.
@beatrizkassar123 I doubt that's what he meant I think it's like he wants to try the idea of shadow when he was a villian in sa2 I think if they do its either alternate timeline or new character
@@mephilisthedarkelijahramat182 Who knows but I really hope they stick to a more of moral ambiguous shadow. Where he does as he pleases but does so respectfully for the sake of the earth. But I hope this comes with him continuing his development of moving past his trauma at his own pace.
So what I gather from this is, sonic is not only woke now because there’s black people in the Sonic movies and we can’t move past the baldy nosehair clip from colors every time we talk about the 2010s and overgeneralize the decade as terrible trash that ruined sonic from his glory days of the 2000s. Yeah I think that about sums it up.
I bought my friend frontiers recently(he ain’t a sonic fan). And he mentioned how funny it was that Eggman took the name and made it fearful and when I mentioned baldy mcnosehair to him he laughed about it. (I’m serious)
There is an actual convo to be had about the characterisations of the 2010s Ever since 2010 in the west we’ve been getting different portrayals of the characters instead of the original Japanese versions that were from Sonic Team themselves In Japan, the characters have always remained consistent and it still is to this day I just don’t know why ppl end up losing brain cells when talking about the 2010s, they never say anything that’s nuanced, actually constructive or stuff that actually matters And idk why he’s complaining about black ppl in the sonic movies when Sonic X had a black character and that was directly oversaw by Sonic Team
I mean the 2010s did make Sega lose millions of dollars because of the investment in the boom franchise, and their contract with Nintendo... So you could make the argument
A minute later I agreed with this guy's thoughts on the lack of Sonic music in the Sonic Movies and how much Junkie XL has fallen as a music composer. Buuuuut that's about it.
I had seen some discourse around this video and for 14 minutes, I wasn't getting what the problem was even though I disagreed with some of the points there. The switch up to complaining about DEI was like a sucker punch. I honestly think a majority of this video is fine there's just a 4 minute chunk of nonsense that screws everything over.
@@castform7It's not even that long. It's just a little over one minute of off-topic rambling before he moves on. Obviously, the fact that he's claiming the reason humans have such a big presence in the Sonic movies is because of politics is pretty silly, but I honestly think people are overreacting to it. When it comes to ridiculous opinions about the Sonic movies, I've seen much worse.
Well, we have been right through the storm in the past before. I remember what the Sonic fandom was like during Spax3's reign of terror, and many of us don't want to go through that again. So we're less likely to allow clowns like this to spout their nonsense within our ranks, because we don't want to be another fandom poisoned by Fandom Menace talking points.
The wedding scene had nothing to do with diversity it was to introduce GUN. The wedding was a sham from the jump if you did not realize that then you didn't pay attention to the movie or the sonic franchise
Also, if humans are going to be in Sonic, how about we let them do a thing or two. Maddie and Rachel helping Sonic and Tails is very good in showing how much Maddie cares about Sonic. This is coming from someone who thought the wedding scene was mid.
Yeah, I thought the "DEI" remark was a bit of a reach as well. I get the annoyance people have with forced political messaging in movies, but I never got that impression from the Sonic movies. Even the wedding subplot never really got political outside of mentioning the military. There comes a point where the people who complain about everything being politicized go so far out of their way to find things to complain about that they end up becoming the politicizers themselves without realizing it, and I think that's what happened here.
@@jasonblack2477 dude, that's not even the point of the video. You're just here because the title of the video validates you, because you clearly didn't watch it 😂
Bro yapped for like 10+ minutes only to waste it by criticizing with “wOkE dEi” concerns at the end. Smh and I was really interested to hear the perspective
14:02 oh my yap, bro saw more than one black person in a movie and died, like i understand maybe not liking the humans, i get it, but saying "hur dur two black women must be dei!!!!!" Like please stfu lmao
He was portrayed as a little one note, though. Plus I thought that Jason Griffith's performance in that game came across as a tad too monotone. Shadow's characterisation in 06 isn't terrible, I just don't think that it's this masterpiece that people make it out to be.
@@koga115 I just personally don't think that it's Shadow's best portrayal. And when people say that it is, it makes me worry what Sega are going to do with him in the future. And we've seen time and time again that Sega tends to listen to the wrong crowd.
I saw the title and was like, "Yeah me too! We've been burned so many times I don't wanna be too excited for anything in case it's not good." And then you brought up wokeness and DEI???? 😭😭😭😭
That was me too. I was so ready to be like "yeah that makes sense. We're on a hot streak now but multiple times in the past lead me to believe it won't last long". Then everything sorta falls apart with the DEI stuff. How did he screw up such a simple take.
i trust it fully. put away the past for once and focus on the future if you simply look at all that sega has done beforehand then of course you won’t trust them.
@@qc6057 that's the thing lol Sonic in those 90's western cartoons were dubbed by Jaleel White and, in Prime, he was dubbed by Christian Heywood. Both of them are black dudes, so what this guy said in half of the video didn't make any sense lol
Sonic is blue, Knuckles is red, and Tails is yellow, but where the problem begins for you is when there are black people in the movie? I'm assuming you had zero issues with James Marsden for some inexplicable reason, right? It's one thing to say that the Sonic movies focus too much on human characters. It's another thing entirely to be frustrated that not every character is white.
Sonic X also had diverse human skins, Ella, Tanaka, that dark skinned lady with the president and one of Chris's friends is also black. Dude was sleeping under the rock for entire run of this franchise, then woke up to see two black characters in the movie and call it woke.
Ofc you're complaining about "GRR WOKE DEI" Because there's more than one black person in a sonic movie. That was ridiculous and completely unnecessary. I would love to see what "proof" you have supporting this claim
I mean, it's fair to not be confident. This IS Sega we're talking about. They can fuck up just as massively as they can do great. But as much as I agree that Sega can still go downhill, I'm even more confident that, if that does happen, Sega will still find a way to claw its way back up
@@0211howard this comment would’ve made sense in 2019, but you clearly are sleeping under a rock, Sonic is the most relevant it has been since the 90s thanks to the movies and if you don’t like the movies personally that’s fine but it made sonic relevant again and that’s just the facts.
i feel like a lot of the comments made about the second movie feel like something you would say just to have a reason to dislike the movie. like saying the whole wedding scene was to fill a diversity mandate? There's obviously no proof that isn't true but there is also no reason to believe it is. I don't hate the wedding scene but i can see were all the criticism is coming from. The sonic characters should absolutely be the focus of the movie and have the most screen time, but i don't think fans should expect every scene to be entirely about them. (part 2 ) About the general mistrust of SEGA.. I'm not going to pretend that isn't reasonable, but since the release of sonic frontiers sonic team has grown and so has the budget. Sonic X shadow gens has showed us that a polished and from what we have seen a great looking sonic game can happen if they give sonic team the time and resources. if SXSG sells well (and from it looks like it will) then they will probably (hopefully) realize that sonic team with the time and money can make great games and make more money. They have generally been treating the series with respect just from the marketing of SXSG alone. we have gotten trailers that are well put together and show off the best parts of the game, a three part animation that could not be animated better, multiple gameplay showcases, and lots of merch to compliment the game. Sure at the end of the day they could learn absolutely nothing from this but i generally do think we are heading in a good direction. (edit) SEGA isn't shy to having what works and throwing it out the window but i think this proof that they are learning what works at least a little. PS: sorry if any of this doesn't make sense I'm bad at typing/writing out my thoughts=)
3:38 Stopped the video here. SA2' Shadow is gone, he's been gone since Heroes. From Heroes onwards he is a different character because he lost his memories. In SA2' Shadow doesn't get over Maria's death, he just choose to follow the promise he made for her before her death. At the end of SA2' he dies just as lost and confused as he was the entire game, because he wasn't sure if the promise he made was a real memory or not. In Shadow the Hedgehog 05 he finally confronts his past, personified by Black Doom, and moves on from Maria and Gerald. This is why Shadow joining GUN in 06 is the best character progression for him, it shows he isn't bound by his past trauma anymore and he can move on with his own life. Watch Pariah's video on the story of Shadow the Hedgehog to understand.
Hey aren't you a pariah subscriber? This guy clearly hasn't seen the games story since heroes. Also no there's no point in directing this guy to pariah's video he won't understand
After rewatching this video, I have no clue how you think a wedding with a family that is black is woke. If it was the same scenario but the family was white, would it be woke? No. Not everything you don’t like in a film is woke.
I get your point about the Sonic Movies being "Hollywood Slop" infested by DEI nonsense to some degree, but personally, I have no problem with it. Its done right regardless and doesn't feel bad at all. Theres alot of human action, sure, but theres also enough Sonic action to balance it out as well. The Sonic Movies were written to be about Sonic in the Real World, not the Real World with Sonic in it, and I actually don't mind that. Its one of the things I REALLY like about Sega is their leniency on their IP. It allows EVERYONE to be as experimental as possible with their blue hedgehog and its something we don't get enough of in this day and age of corporate slop. Another thing you need to realize is that SEGA and Sonic Team are two entirely different mindsets. Sonic Team makes the dream work while SEGA makes it profitable. If there is anyone to blame for Sonic games being bad, its SEGA since during the 2010s, they never saw value in the Sonic Brand and fed Sonic Team breadcrumbs for budget until Sonic x Shadow Generations. Sonic Team is the reason WHY Frontiers was a massive success, for making the effort to beg SEGA for just a bit more money and time. I say that Sonic has never been in a better place than now because now Takashi Iizuka has made it to the Official Sega Team and has direct influence over the SEGA brand as well as Sonic. Now an ACTUAL trustworthy Sonic expert has taken the wheel, theres no way Sonic can only go downhill from here.
Back in the 90s, it was considered woke to care about the Environment. Sonic championed that movement and he's had a black voice actor multiple times. Sonic's BEEN woke and SEGA actively supports gay pride parades. Where have you been?!
@@jwroot Bro. Knuckles's whole design is based on Jamaican culture. Rouge's specific species of bat is predominantly found in Latin America. THE WHOLE FUCKING PREMISE OF UNLEASHED. Not to mention what OP brought up. They're literally fucking right, and YOU either need to get with it or get out.
Oh great, now people are starting to call the Sonic franchise “woke.” It’s bad enough that the Mario franchise is currently dealing with this shit with Vivian being trans & Peach not being kidnapped so often in recent games, I don’t need to see Sonic dealing with this nonsense too…
Never cook again. There's always that one negative person that's never satisfied and has to complain about SOMETHING. I thought the only bad apples were the pariah, unleashed and premery but i see we have another one
Or jebzone, I swear this guy is never satisfied with anything from what sonic has to offer just by looking at his recent sonic videos. He even made a video of him leaving the sonic franchise 4 years ago and yet he still keeps talking about the franchise, it almost feels like he's rage baiting at this point.
Pariah and Jebtube are alright. They're a little hypercritical of Sonic and don't like the direction he's going in when compared to his roots but I wouldn't say they're as bad as other channels.
@@Lonelysum I didn't play it, but I know the story from start to finish. Shadow rememberes bits of memories that he doesn't even know what they are, then black doom shows up and tells him that he can tell shadow about his past. Every single ending is a possoble outcome for shadow on who he becomes. The final story aka the cannon ending, shadow desides that he will become his own person and that he has nothing to do with the old shadow
Oh, and here’s a fun fact, Hideki Naganuma has a habit of putting black power speeches in some of the Sonic game songs Concept of Love, JSRF (Stokey Carmichael) Wrapped in Black, Sonic Rush (Malcolm X) DA PEOPLE, Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (Stokey, again)
The entire Knuckles show is about Wade and his dad or whatever. No one thinks that’s a political decision to spotlight white people. But when the movie spends 10 minutes on humans and they happen to be black, DEI is the only explanation It’s crazy that in 2024 black people still can’t be included in something without someone trying to start a debate about their presence. It’s crazier you made this giant leap to a DEI conversation from a fucking Sonic movie and then act like it’s the movie’s fault you focused on their skin color “This is the world we live in” no it’s the world *you* live in
Hollywood could make a full movie version of Dr. Suess's The Sneetches, and these anti woke whiners would complain "Urgh, they've done it again! They've taken a perfectly innocent children's book and completely tarnished it with their usual agendas by forcing race into it!" Even though it is literally written to showcase how ridiculous racism is to kids.
Sonics original voice actor was black One of chris thorndyke's best friends are black Hideki naganuma sampled civil rights speeches for some of his tracks Sonics voice actor in prime is black But the idea of black people being visible and being married is too woke now
I feel as though I should clarify my comments on Sonic 2's diversity quota, as it may seem over the top considering the video's subject matter.
This stance is based on Paramount's track record with such mandates, specifically how they'll force it on a script regardless of whether or not it fits. It's an industry wide Hollywood issue and Paramount have been shown to participate heavily in it, modern Star Trek being the main example.
I understand it may come across as rather inflammatory for a Sonic video, but it's an issue I felt worth highlighting as I believe it's a problem in Western media and I wish SEGA would exercise more control over their IP to prevent Californian nonsense infecting their scripts.
oh thats uh
Please elaborate this “Californian nonsense”.
This video kinda sucks ngl
"Western media" "dei" "california nonsense"
Blud's been groomed by a cult lmao
Apparently black people are Californian nonsense to this guy
Who’s gonna tell what color Shadow is?
SHADOW. THE BLACK ONE
@@pepebowser disgusting BLACK creatures
No way you made this whole video and thought to yourself. "Yeah people are gonna 100%. take me seriously when I talk about wokeness in sonic the hedgehog."
There is no wokeness 💀💀
Idk what he was cooking.
@@Electrix21Sonic's first voice actor was black And it was about a gang of freedom fighters. Like telling me you know nothing about sonic without telling me.
To be clear, I'm talking about him. Not you specifically.
Sonic characters are literally furry adjacent. The live action movies are about Earth and the humans.
That's how Ian writes the characters, lol.
@@crimsonzone8984 he definitely would if he was allowed to, thankfully he can’t do everything he wants.
Bro is not cooking
Bro is getting banned from cooking school with this one
Bro is getting cooked, roasted, vaporized, breaded, boiled, and more. He's now a food recipe, Jackass Alla Puttanesca
Just cooking schools? Bro is banned from kitchens.
Bros not onto something he on something
Fr all i heard was miss information
*Black family exists in movie.* "FORCED DEI!!!".
This is my issue with this talking point. How do you have diverse characters without it being perceived as forced? I've yet to get an answer. If a normal family is seen as forced, there is simply no winning. So I can only come to conclusion that jumping to DEI when seeing black characters is rooted in racism.
I don't think the wedding scene was to meet a diversity quota.
Blud never seen a black family irl
Fandom's opinion on Amy though. Unfortunately, Sega of America didn't gave sh*t when they made Amy sound more forceful in English.
Even if it was to meet a quota, cynical Hollywood checkboxes have existed longer than most of us have been alive, and nobody ever complains about it until they grow up, stop enjoying kids movies and are desperate for a reason why. "No, I'm not getting old. Movies are just getting worse!" Notice how they never rant about black characters in the products THEY grew up with. How come the rapping in Sonic Adventure 2 isn't woke?
@@crimsonzone8984 why do you bring Amy tho?
@@Amperedz19245 'cause it's a woke thing.
what does black characters have to do with the side plot in movie 2 dude
Because he’s a chud. He complains about Star Wars, Dr. Who and Star Trek being ruined by DEI. Focused on a game journalist who looked to be non binary. You know this guy jerks off to Rouge rule 34 art
bro are we family?
Oh no there’s more of them
@@adreeeandanothere510 theres more coming👿👿👿
My horrified expression when there are black people in the modern day US
Bro couldn't get the words "disgusting black creatures, get out of my sight "out of his head
😭😭😭
Do we all remember that one bit from the SADX manual? Where it says the only thing Sonic hates is oppression?
Oh, no reason, I was just reminded of it.
Bruh the entire fanbase conveniently forgot that line during the tssz thing and continue to fundamentally misunderstand what it means. I don’t think it’s too important to them beyond material for ez internet points
@@stormdiver sonic hates oppression and people like you get over it
Shit needs to be in more than just the manual. We gotta spoon feed this to people apparently or else they conveniently ignore it. Also Sonic is inspired by Bill Clinton so he’s Democrat coded. I would say more very innocuous things about it but the inclusive D word is censored on RUclips, so… damn.
Oppression doesn’t just happen to minorities you retard
Woke conts as opresion
"Diversity is forced into Sonic"
So we're just gonna act like Sonic Unleashed isn't a thing or what?
Nah because that's his childhood and because he wasn't a stupid idiot at the age of 7 focusing on politics
Sigh, he got everything all wrong. This is not the way.🤦🏻
Sonic Unleashed does not FORCE diversity into sonic wat?
It was used as a creative way of showing the different areas of the planet, as it was adjacent to the plot
@@steel_neel there is no such thing as FORCED diversity. please get over yourself its a kids franchise
@@blueblizzardwolf6751 wth u mean no such thing as forced diversity? Have you lived under a rock? It exists bro, obviously not for the sonic franchise, but take a look at many of these new Hollywood releases and you’ll know
Plus I don consider sonic a kids franchise, but I’m assuming u one of those folks who say it is 😔
"Pushing a DEI Agenda" and it's just a black woman playing a character in a movie.
Nobody tell him about Knuckles. His mind will explode.
Knuckles is from south america
@@arzfan29 no, Knuckles is from Angel Island.
"Respecting the IP" ...oh brother.
Sonic cares about his friends in the games. His risks everything to keep them safe game after game. Why should he not care about the people around him and make a family dynamic in the movies? Every single game entry has him going on an adventure and making at least ONE new friend or ally along the way. Its part of what makes Sonic's adventures so enjoyable. It's not even just him. Tails. Knuckles. Silver. Blaze. Amy. SHADOW. Shadow's arc is centered around the very CONCEPT of losing family and gaining new friends then doing everything in his power to live on for them.
Dude clearly didn't watch the wedding scene that served to introduce G.U.N. and provide comic relief for the general audience. That scene wasn't woke or toxic at all it was comedy and world building for new fans to the series and context for older fans as well.
He seems like doesn't remember the story of Sonic 3&K, or SA1, or SA2, Heroes...
Heck, the Chao Garden.
When i played Sonic Adventure 2 i learned that the villains are the GUN. Not Ivo Robotnik (Eggman), or Gerald.
OoOoOOO The woke is ruining Sonic!!!
Never cook again
@@ultimateDSfan yeah that's how you destroy your point as well
He didn't even cook, the steak is still raw.
@@ZipZapTesla it's still a cow
@@mephilisthedarkelijahramat182 It's a newborn Calf.
Its a embryo
Bros brain stopped developing years ago.
His voice, too…
Wait, he had a brain to begin with? GASP
The internet has polished his brain. Now it's perfectly smooth.
Was he serious when he said he was born in 2003? He looks old for his age.
I will say this. Yes. Shadow fulfilled his promise to Maria in SA2. That does NOT mean he has made peace with it. He was ready to basically die on that high note. Hero’s was a good portrayal however, Shadow couldn’t remember much so him “making friends” and “moving on” was based on memory loss.
Shadow the hedgehog, as flawed as it was, tackled him remembering who he was. What I’m saying is this: people complaining about shadow not being over Maria is quite thoughtless. The level of PTSD he has isn’t something he would just get over quickly. That takes years to heal.
IF he accepts help, because with the egocentric nature he has acquired, it will be very difficult to move forward... it's no wonder Izuka said that the shadow will become more villainous from now on... if he continues acting like this, relapses and worsening of his personality will be inevitable
@@beatrizkassar123 Exactly. While I really dislike the idea of Shadow being evil again, based on this thought it makes sense. It truly does make us think of moral ambiguity. I would prefer it being a form of long term character development of him slowly getting better and better, but I understand.
@beatrizkassar123 I doubt that's what he meant I think it's like he wants to try the idea of shadow when he was a villian in sa2 I think if they do its either alternate timeline or new character
@@mephilisthedarkelijahramat182 Who knows but I really hope they stick to a more of moral ambiguous shadow. Where he does as he pleases but does so respectfully for the sake of the earth. But I hope this comes with him continuing his development of moving past his trauma at his own pace.
The story in shadow 05 in the end shadow throws his past away and moves on I don't know what this guy is on to@@indigorose6527
So what I gather from this is, sonic is not only woke now because there’s black people in the Sonic movies and we can’t move past the baldy nosehair clip from colors every time we talk about the 2010s and overgeneralize the decade as terrible trash that ruined sonic from his glory days of the 2000s. Yeah I think that about sums it up.
I bought my friend frontiers recently(he ain’t a sonic fan). And he mentioned how funny it was that Eggman took the name and made it fearful and when I mentioned baldy mcnosehair to him he laughed about it. (I’m serious)
You'd be shocked how many of these "fans" actually AGREE with this.
They'd be in these comments right now if not for all the backlash
@@BenjaminTaccagni good ol' EggHead
There is an actual convo to be had about the characterisations of the 2010s
Ever since 2010 in the west we’ve been getting different portrayals of the characters instead of the original Japanese versions that were from Sonic Team themselves
In Japan, the characters have always remained consistent and it still is to this day
I just don’t know why ppl end up losing brain cells when talking about the 2010s, they never say anything that’s nuanced, actually constructive or stuff that actually matters
And idk why he’s complaining about black ppl in the sonic movies when Sonic X had a black character and that was directly oversaw by Sonic Team
I mean the 2010s did make Sega lose millions of dollars because of the investment in the boom franchise, and their contract with Nintendo...
So you could make the argument
You’re worrying about black people in a movie centered on a Blue Hedgehog with shoes?
You really show your intelligence
JUST PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG BRO
I'm crying XD
He'd probably mess that up too
14 minutes in: Hm, well he's making some good points but I don't see where all the dislikes are coming fro-
8 seconds later:
A minute later I agreed with this guy's thoughts on the lack of Sonic music in the Sonic Movies and how much Junkie XL has fallen as a music composer. Buuuuut that's about it.
he does actually make alot of sense but past that 14 minute mark he lost me like a toddler in a mall
I had seen some discourse around this video and for 14 minutes, I wasn't getting what the problem was even though I disagreed with some of the points there. The switch up to complaining about DEI was like a sucker punch. I honestly think a majority of this video is fine there's just a 4 minute chunk of nonsense that screws everything over.
@@castform7It's not even that long. It's just a little over one minute of off-topic rambling before he moves on. Obviously, the fact that he's claiming the reason humans have such a big presence in the Sonic movies is because of politics is pretty silly, but I honestly think people are overreacting to it. When it comes to ridiculous opinions about the Sonic movies, I've seen much worse.
Literally me
I’d like apologize to the Sonic Fanbase for clowning on you guys for nearly 20 years. You guys are cool.
Well, we have been right through the storm in the past before. I remember what the Sonic fandom was like during Spax3's reign of terror, and many of us don't want to go through that again. So we're less likely to allow clowns like this to spout their nonsense within our ranks, because we don't want to be another fandom poisoned by Fandom Menace talking points.
@@shadow-scope-fsm7165 I remember that guy lmao
The wedding scene had nothing to do with diversity it was to introduce GUN. The wedding was a sham from the jump if you did not realize that then you didn't pay attention to the movie or the sonic franchise
Also how the entire thing is played as a joke. Sonic goes the Godzilla thing of Making the human side story funny and having a little lore.
Also, if humans are going to be in Sonic, how about we let them do a thing or two. Maddie and Rachel helping Sonic and Tails is very good in showing how much Maddie cares about Sonic. This is coming from someone who thought the wedding scene was mid.
Yeah, I thought the "DEI" remark was a bit of a reach as well. I get the annoyance people have with forced political messaging in movies, but I never got that impression from the Sonic movies. Even the wedding subplot never really got political outside of mentioning the military. There comes a point where the people who complain about everything being politicized go so far out of their way to find things to complain about that they end up becoming the politicizers themselves without realizing it, and I think that's what happened here.
This guy didn't even start cooking, he tripped and fell when buying the ingredients.
Wasn't expecting to see actual racism in a Sonic video.
Dr eggman made this video
@@corncake4677 Nah, I don't think even Eggman would be that evil to become racist 💀
@@mr.hayaibear Eggman exploits everyone equally! 😂
@@corncake4677even eggman is smart enough to know that racism is too low for him
eggman is a feminist
Never cook again
😭
I only agree with some things he said
Cry more lol. Frontiers story was ass
@@jasonblack2477 ngga, it has nothing to do with it but to each their own
@@jasonblack2477 dude, that's not even the point of the video. You're just here because the title of the video validates you, because you clearly didn't watch it 😂
Bro yapped for like 10+ minutes only to waste it by criticizing with “wOkE dEi” concerns at the end. Smh and I was really interested to hear the perspective
Watched it at 2x speed
We also don't trust you buddy.
Sonic Rush literally sampled one of Malcom X’s speeches for an ost (it’s Wrapped in Black) This video is insane
Yeah lol
Don’t tell him bro. Tourists don’t like being called out.
Wait until he finds out who sung knuckles raps from Sonic Adventure 2
Malcolm x was pro segregation
Lol is that the one that has the lyrics
"Too black, too Strong"?
14:02 oh my yap, bro saw more than one black person in a movie and died, like i understand maybe not liking the humans, i get it, but saying "hur dur two black women must be dei!!!!!" Like please stfu lmao
sonic 06 represented shadow very well, he put his friends before himself
He was portrayed as a little one note, though. Plus I thought that Jason Griffith's performance in that game came across as a tad too monotone.
Shadow's characterisation in 06 isn't terrible, I just don't think that it's this masterpiece that people make it out to be.
This. Shadow's story was the best one. And I loved how he stayed true to himself. Best version of him to date
@@bowmaj8666to each their own. It's not a masterpiece sure, it's just good. To us.
@@koga115 I just personally don't think that it's Shadow's best portrayal. And when people say that it is, it makes me worry what Sega are going to do with him in the future. And we've seen time and time again that Sega tends to listen to the wrong crowd.
@@bowmaj8666what do you think was shadow’s best representation in the games so far?
As a black man I can confirm we don"t actually exist, and are in fact, a figment of your imagination😂😂
I saw the title and was like, "Yeah me too! We've been burned so many times I don't wanna be too excited for anything in case it's not good." And then you brought up wokeness and DEI???? 😭😭😭😭
That was me too. I was so ready to be like "yeah that makes sense. We're on a hot streak now but multiple times in the past lead me to believe it won't last long". Then everything sorta falls apart with the DEI stuff. How did he screw up such a simple take.
The way you killed all ur good faith with randomly yapping ab WoKe HoLLyWoOd 💀💀💀
Literal actual brain damage
Careful with that language. Don’t want him to be dyslexic and read “literal” as “liberal”
Yeah this video is ass
Bro was slipping hints left and right about woke up until the 14 minute mark.
You tried to cook, and you burnt not just the whole kitchen down but the whole damn building down.
Shh everyone don't tell him about wrapped in black
i trust it fully. put away the past for once and focus on the future if you simply look at all that sega has done beforehand then of course you won’t trust them.
Based
I second this statement.
We already did that. I still don’t trust them.
Thats the dumbest thing ive heard all day.
@@giannivttrthat makes no sense. If you focus on the past, obviously you won't. But if you only focus on the now, why would you not trust them?
wait till this guy finds out who sonic is voiced by in aosth and satam
And let’s not forget Sonic Prime.
oh yea true I really should watch sonic prime
was it a "DEI hire" when Jaleel White played sonic or are we just making stuff up to be mad about now
Bros gonna flip when he finds out who voice Classic Sonic ans Sonic Prime
Not even. The original voice actor for Sonic was a black dude.
@@qc6057 that's the thing lol
Sonic in those 90's western cartoons were dubbed by Jaleel White and, in Prime, he was dubbed by Christian Heywood. Both of them are black dudes, so what this guy said in half of the video didn't make any sense lol
He’s gonna flip when he finds out about Knuckles
"DEI" is literally the least of sonic's problems as a series right now
it's not even a problem at all. if anything it could use more representation
@@BlueTakBlurSonic has good representation too
OH BROTHER THIS GUY STINKS🍅🍅🍅
Sonic is blue, Knuckles is red, and Tails is yellow, but where the problem begins for you is when there are black people in the movie? I'm assuming you had zero issues with James Marsden for some inexplicable reason, right?
It's one thing to say that the Sonic movies focus too much on human characters. It's another thing entirely to be frustrated that not every character is white.
Sorry bro, when you started talking about woke Hollywood, I checked out.
"Sonic is getting woke" bro, almost every human character is white outside of unleashed, the fuck are you on about?
Dude will throw the biggest temper tantrum if he played Unleashed
Aren't they technically Japanese since sonic was made in Japan?
He would start crying to his mommy the moment he boots up Mazuri’s hub world
Sonic X also had diverse human skins, Ella, Tanaka, that dark skinned lady with the president and one of Chris's friends is also black. Dude was sleeping under the rock for entire run of this franchise, then woke up to see two black characters in the movie and call it woke.
@@pokiedokie1424 gonna be completely real, i forgot about sonic X lmao
SilasOS when he sees a black person at the front of the bus:
Another addition to my “useless video” collection
omfg that is a genius idea for a playlist
Ofc you're complaining about "GRR WOKE DEI" Because there's more than one black person in a sonic movie. That was ridiculous and completely unnecessary. I would love to see what "proof" you have supporting this claim
I mean, it's fair to not be confident. This IS Sega we're talking about. They can fuck up just as massively as they can do great.
But as much as I agree that Sega can still go downhill, I'm even more confident that, if that does happen, Sega will still find a way to claw its way back up
If I had to chose I would go with a rocky road than a downward spiral. At least in the formal there are still good thing to have.
sometimes its just feels satisfying to see when they hit the mark after many fumble.
i doubt sega will. sonic is just a franchise that the fans simply REFUSE to let it stay 6ft under
@@0211howard this comment would’ve made sense in 2019, but you clearly are sleeping under a rock, Sonic is the most relevant it has been since the 90s thanks to the movies and if you don’t like the movies personally that’s fine but it made sonic relevant again and that’s just the facts.
i feel like a lot of the comments made about the second movie feel like something you would say just to have a reason to dislike the movie. like saying the whole wedding scene was to fill a diversity mandate? There's obviously no proof that isn't true but there is also no reason to believe it is. I don't hate the wedding scene but i can see were all the criticism is coming from. The sonic characters should absolutely be the focus of the movie and have the most screen time, but i don't think fans should expect every scene to be entirely about them. (part 2 ) About the general mistrust of SEGA.. I'm not going to pretend that isn't reasonable, but since the release of sonic frontiers sonic team has grown and so has the budget. Sonic X shadow gens has showed us that a polished and from what we have seen a great looking sonic game can happen if they give sonic team the time and resources. if SXSG sells well (and from it looks like it will) then they will probably (hopefully) realize that sonic team with the time and money can make great games and make more money. They have generally been treating the series with respect just from the marketing of SXSG alone. we have gotten trailers that are well put together and show off the best parts of the game, a three part animation that could not be animated better, multiple gameplay showcases, and lots of merch to compliment the game. Sure at the end of the day they could learn absolutely nothing from this but i generally do think we are heading in a good direction. (edit) SEGA isn't shy to having what works and throwing it out the window but i think this proof that they are learning what works at least a little.
PS: sorry if any of this doesn't make sense I'm bad at typing/writing out my thoughts=)
3:38 Stopped the video here. SA2' Shadow is gone, he's been gone since Heroes. From Heroes onwards he is a different character because he lost his memories. In SA2' Shadow doesn't get over Maria's death, he just choose to follow the promise he made for her before her death. At the end of SA2' he dies just as lost and confused as he was the entire game, because he wasn't sure if the promise he made was a real memory or not.
In Shadow the Hedgehog 05 he finally confronts his past, personified by Black Doom, and moves on from Maria and Gerald. This is why Shadow joining GUN in 06 is the best character progression for him, it shows he isn't bound by his past trauma anymore and he can move on with his own life. Watch Pariah's video on the story of Shadow the Hedgehog to understand.
Hey aren't you a pariah subscriber?
This guy clearly hasn't seen the games story since heroes. Also no there's no point in directing this guy to pariah's video he won't understand
The 2k dislikes ratio show that all your arguments are trash 🫵😂
True that. Also those emojis are mad goofy 😂😂😂
They added woke to sonic I’m gonna shit and piss myself
You didn't drop the ball, you threw it down.
Lost me as soon as you started talking about "DEI"
this video STINKS oh my lord
Smells like Asmongold
Don’t tell him about knuckles guys
After rewatching this video, I have no clue how you think a wedding with a family that is black is woke. If it was the same scenario but the family was white, would it be woke? No. Not everything you don’t like in a film is woke.
Nope he wouldn't care and just bring up how it's pointless. Actually bring up an actual criticism
@@KgEclispe252i can’t tell if you are with him or against him 🤣🤣
If the family was white he’d be praising it and saying that it is, “traditional western values” or some other dumb dogwhistle
@@KgEclispe252then why does he harp on the idea that it's woke and not the fact that it was just unnecessary
This guy will flip out when he finds out what color shadow is
“Shadow has not been well written since Sonic Heroes”
Sonic 06: Am I a joke to you
don’t forget the dark beginnings too
Congratulations bro, you actually united the sonic fandom for once.
The only thing this guy was cooking was his own brain
Don’t tell him about Sonic Unleashed 💀
I don't trust you.
so superstars was not mainly made from sonic team it was mostly from Arzest so i dont think superstars shows the quality of sonic team
Also superstars was good and im tired of people pretending its not.
@@powerfullpummel6417 Worse than Sonic 1
Superstars was pretty decent! Just very, very overpriced.
@@powerfullpummel6417More like annoying with bad bosses
Superstars grows on u when u go and timeattack the stages, other than that it’s mid af
10/10 video. Never seen something lose the plot faster in my life.
I get your point about the Sonic Movies being "Hollywood Slop" infested by DEI nonsense to some degree, but personally, I have no problem with it. Its done right regardless and doesn't feel bad at all. Theres alot of human action, sure, but theres also enough Sonic action to balance it out as well. The Sonic Movies were written to be about Sonic in the Real World, not the Real World with Sonic in it, and I actually don't mind that.
Its one of the things I REALLY like about Sega is their leniency on their IP. It allows EVERYONE to be as experimental as possible with their blue hedgehog and its something we don't get enough of in this day and age of corporate slop.
Another thing you need to realize is that SEGA and Sonic Team are two entirely different mindsets. Sonic Team makes the dream work while SEGA makes it profitable. If there is anyone to blame for Sonic games being bad, its SEGA since during the 2010s, they never saw value in the Sonic Brand and fed Sonic Team breadcrumbs for budget until Sonic x Shadow Generations. Sonic Team is the reason WHY Frontiers was a massive success, for making the effort to beg SEGA for just a bit more money and time. I say that Sonic has never been in a better place than now because now Takashi Iizuka has made it to the Official Sega Team and has direct influence over the SEGA brand as well as Sonic. Now an ACTUAL trustworthy Sonic expert has taken the wheel, theres no way Sonic can only go downhill from here.
Yeah never say never and they aren't infested with dei they just chose a black woman for a role It doesn't go beyond that
Tbh I actually think Shadow was nearly at his best in Sonic 06
Everybody says this
@@dreamcastdazia4753 clearly not after watching this video 😂
His character in 05 was the thing that lead to 06 the real ending is the last story in that game
@@LonelysumI like to think of it that way too, Shadow seems at peace with his life in 06 and he can finally live and do what he does best.
As soon as he said " the people who made these movies are not fans" it was all downhill from there.
Ah. Wokeness.
How scary.
I'm not a huge fan of the wedding scene either but you can't be telling me it's "WOKE" when politics had nothing to do with the whole fuckin scene😭🙏
Bro cooked so badly he burned down the kitchen
I just farted
Your fart was better than this whole vid
i have more attachment to your fart then this man’s life
@@lpsamyrosemore entertaining too
no fart can stink as bad as this vid
This comment is more interesting than this video
Back in the 90s, it was considered woke to care about the Environment. Sonic championed that movement and he's had a black voice actor multiple times. Sonic's BEEN woke and SEGA actively supports gay pride parades. Where have you been?!
Not to mentioned was I an cartoon of furry eco terrorists bombing factories, Sonic Satam.
"Sonic's BEEN woke"
Can we NOT bring Sonic of all popular IPs into this. I'm already fed up with the word.
@@jwroot Bro. Knuckles's whole design is based on Jamaican culture. Rouge's specific species of bat is predominantly found in Latin America. THE WHOLE FUCKING PREMISE OF UNLEASHED. Not to mention what OP brought up. They're literally fucking right, and YOU either need to get with it or get out.
@@jwroot they aren't wrong though, he's always been aware of social issues
@@jwroot sonic's woke, get over it
"yeah, after the many bad games i really don't trust SEGA anymo- WHAT THE FUCK???"
"Sonic 2 is too woke 😭"
L take bro.
I don't see how that's even considered a criticism.
Bro sees some black people in a Sonic movie and thinks "DEI AGENDA!!"
No, just... no.
Oh great, now people are starting to call the Sonic franchise “woke.” It’s bad enough that the Mario franchise is currently dealing with this shit with Vivian being trans & Peach not being kidnapped so often in recent games, I don’t need to see Sonic dealing with this nonsense too…
i think i miss “color splash and sticker star” bad arguments
cause paper mario is basically suffering both now
Welcome to the modern world, my friend
It was only a matter of time sadly
@@2bdaqueen268 before that hedgehogs mine
"I get that you may see this as a little extreme."
I mean... you did bring up black people as woke.
This stance isn't based on Paramount's track record, you literally just pulled every card in the racism book.
the fact you're sound like MiniLadd and look like him is crazy lol
Sonic 06 had good shadow rep imo
06 and 05 are the best shadows character has ever gone but this c
Guy clearly doesn't understand
You lost me with the DEI talking point. 🙄
Why are you gay
Everyone who watched this video😂
Inb4 this dude makes a video crying about “cancel culture” and doing a hard-shift into alt-right grifting.
Never cook again. There's always that one negative person that's never satisfied and has to complain about SOMETHING. I thought the only bad apples were the pariah, unleashed and premery but i see we have another one
Or jebzone, I swear this guy is never satisfied with anything from what sonic has to offer just by looking at his recent sonic videos. He even made a video of him leaving the sonic franchise 4 years ago and yet he still keeps talking about the franchise, it almost feels like he's rage baiting at this point.
pariah? you are so cooked buddy
Pariah and Jebtube are alright. They're a little hypercritical of Sonic and don't like the direction he's going in when compared to his roots but I wouldn't say they're as bad as other channels.
Pariah and telekenistic man have been some of RUclipsrs that actually understand sonic
@@NinetailsNinetales5TimesFasthypercritical? They've been trying to explain how the sonic we're seeing isn't The actual sonic
BRO IS COOKING NOTHING; THE STOVE ISN'T EVEN ON 🗣🔥🔥🔥
You guys do know that shadow has amnesia in shadow the hedgehog, right?
Clearly this guy didn't even play the game
@@Lonelysum I didn't play it, but I know the story from start to finish. Shadow rememberes bits of memories that he doesn't even know what they are, then black doom shows up and tells him that he can tell shadow about his past. Every single ending is a possoble outcome for shadow on who he becomes. The final story aka the cannon ending, shadow desides that he will become his own person and that he has nothing to do with the old shadow
@@DanielAntovski oh I wasn't talking about you I was talking about the guy in the video heh
@@Lonelysum oh, sorry for the misunderstanding 😁
Buddy.. My greatest apologies.
But you did NOT cook with this 🙏
Tell me you talk like an npc without telling me you talk like an npc
@@Ninpo_Nikkunecesito npc ahh response
@@Ninpo_NikkuYeah just like the loser in the video who calls everything "woke"
Sonic’s first ever va was black WHAT DO YOU MEAN
He'll probably call Jaleen White a DEI pick not because he's talented
Oh, and here’s a fun fact, Hideki Naganuma has a habit of putting black power speeches in some of the Sonic game songs
Concept of Love, JSRF (Stokey Carmichael)
Wrapped in Black, Sonic Rush (Malcolm X)
DA PEOPLE, Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (Stokey, again)
Hideki naganuma didn't do bomb rush cyberfunk
@@Lonelysumhe did compose some songs for that game
DA PEOPLE being one of them
@@Lonelysumdid he say that?
@@mult1versal yeah he said hideki naganuma has a habit of using black power speeches
@@Lonelysum i just looked it up and yes he did lol
>"Huh this might be interesting"
>*starts bitching about "woke" and "DEI"
>"Aaandddd never mind."
Bro is not cooking
Get him out the kitchen before he burns this place to the ground
The entire Knuckles show is about Wade and his dad or whatever. No one thinks that’s a political decision to spotlight white people. But when the movie spends 10 minutes on humans and they happen to be black, DEI is the only explanation
It’s crazy that in 2024 black people still can’t be included in something without someone trying to start a debate about their presence. It’s crazier you made this giant leap to a DEI conversation from a fucking Sonic movie and then act like it’s the movie’s fault you focused on their skin color “This is the world we live in” no it’s the world *you* live in
Hollywood could make a full movie version of Dr. Suess's The Sneetches, and these anti woke whiners would complain "Urgh, they've done it again! They've taken a perfectly innocent children's book and completely tarnished it with their usual agendas by forcing race into it!"
Even though it is literally written to showcase how ridiculous racism is to kids.
POV ME WHEN BLACK PEOPLE EXIST AND THEY'RE IN MOVIES 😨😨😭🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮💀💀😨😭😭💔💔🥺/ can you tell this is not actually me
Sonics original voice actor was black
One of chris thorndyke's best friends are black
Hideki naganuma sampled civil rights speeches for some of his tracks
Sonics voice actor in prime is black
But the idea of black people being visible and being married is too woke now
Out of all the RUclipsrs to mimick, why did mimick ASK AIR?
Bruh, I'm a black woman. My existence is ultra woke. It's so over 😭😭
Sorry you had to learn this way… it’s just how the world works now /s
complaining about diversity and woke immediately made the entire video invalid go outside
Dude is mad about black people existing in media.
Literally
Why can't we just be happy that Sonic is still here we would be devastated if the whole franchise was gone.
You can be happy if you want, I'm not stopping you. Sonic is cool.
sonic would hate you btw
Y'all so corny
@@boneneedle3360 you callin’ me corny when you’re literally glazing this man 😭🙏 i’m crying bro get a job
@@certifiedreal The irony of you saying this with multiple comments on the video lost on you, apparently
@@boneneedle3360 bro i fell asleep and went to my job (BOO! JOB APPLICATION! did i scare you?) and you’re still on my cock😭😭😭😭😭😭💔
@@boneneedle3360There is genuinely no way you’re defending this video