@@adomalyon1 burn the internet down, we no longer need it... That comment is both the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end and it is beautiful....
I’m Māori and one of my best mates is Aboriginal, and jordies impression of “minority perverts” is spot on! This girl came up to my mate at a party once and the first thing she said to her was “ always was always will be”. It was one of the most bizarre interactions I’ve ever seen.
Indigenous Australian here. I would like the date changed, only because May 8th (or M8 day) is funnier than Jan 26th. I believe all Australians have is a good sense of humor.....so let's reflect that in the stupid day we choose to shoot fire and sparkles in the air and get piss drunk. Just a humble man's opinion.
You want it changed 'only because its funnier'. It isn't even funny its a fucking lame date. 'Mate' isn't even our word its taken from the UK. I get thr indigenous people of Australia wanting to change it but May 8 has got to be the most pathetic lame idea I've ever heard.
Hey Friendlyjordies. I take serious issue with this video. How very dare you imply I and many others like me don't say "righto" on a regular basis? I usually opt for "rightio" but the shorter version is still fairly common. The absolute gall. Honestly. Otherwise yeah, good dismantling of clickbait media.
This is spot on. People are patting themselves on the back for retweeting a hashtag but never make any effort in their personal or professional lives to include Indigenous people or understand their perspectives (shocker: not every Indigenous person has the same opinion on Australia Day, what a concept!).
i think aus day should be on the 25th of December and Christmas should be on April 1st and April fools day should be on 10th of june and the queens birthday should be on the 26th of January.
As a 21 Year old Kosovo Refugee seeing you talk about Serbs and Bosnian relations is really relatable and that skit at 2:08 made me laugh so hard. Good video bro!
I had no idea what #ChangeTheDate was and was seriously worried for a while that Australia was considering ditching the Gregorian Calendar for a calendar reflecting the entire span of time Australia has been settled by Aborigines - which would make this year, on such an Australian calendar, about the year 67018.
Personally, i think the date should be changed. Im croatian too :^), Im not gonna piss my pants because people like doing fun stuff on a public holiday, im just gonna not celebrate it and get paid double time. I live in one of the densest areas when it comes to aboriginal population, and unfortunately there is still extreme remorse about what theyve been through. Rightfully so i think, i literally live around the corner from the old boys home from the stolen generation. Talking to one of my best mates (she is aboriginal) she doesnt agree with celebrating the day because it marks the beginning of the story that caused a genocide and ripped her grandparents from their families, but she is not opposed to having a day celebrating being australian. She doesnt get pissy at people though, she kinda just says she doesnt agree with it and moves on. Let’s change it to when we became a federation or some shit, something that marks AUSTRALIA, not some prisoners getting dumped on a beach. Just think its a respect thing tbh. Just get blackout drunk and hit the beach on a different day
First kind and compassionate and reasonable comment I've come across, thank you! Most of the others are a bunch of privileged white kids/dudes/occasional chick staying comfy.
@@jacquelineanswer2992because by setting up a strawman of "privileged people" that she can easily rage against, it proves that she's not one of them and is therefore exempt from having "privilege". It's a faux-empathetic snake move. Notice she said "occasional chick" too. Remember everyone: women are perfect angels who can do nothing wrong, except for the "outliers" who don't speak for women. Also remember: if a man does something bad, it's a referendum on their entire gender.
"Imagine if it was your ancestors that were killed" Well, I am part Irish, and my ancestors suffered major war crimes and massacres at the hands of England so, yeah But if it is to be changed, change it to March 3. Seeing as March 3, 1986 is the day Australia seceded from the British Empire.
U mean the day the political class committed treason against the crown and against the people of Australia? Removing the queen from power and therefore any protection the Australian people had against corruption? The day Australia registered with the US board of patents as a corporation?
@@Bradley2806 so Ur ok with the political taking Ur rights away so long as u get the republic? Even though most Aussie don't want it? Most aussies just understood the monarch was to keep the parliament in check. Shit I bet U even prefer the ease of the two party system aswell
'Australia Day' has been a day of protest for the Aboriginal people since the '30s, and I worry how much of this #ChangetheDate is basically a distraction. What the protests have been about is a treaty, which is hugely important and actually has tangible impacts. But now, it's just about a symbolic date change. You hardly hear treaty discussed anymore, even amongst people arguing for the date to be changed. It's been pushed off the agenda for something that is easier to both call for and to grant.
Katey Flowers I honestly had no idea there was a treaty being protested, which just illustrates your point really. Thanks for saying this otherwise I never would've known :)
no el - I agree, there is validity in the change the date movement, and I certainly see its merit. But there's also the argument that Australia is itself a legal fallacy and therefore, no date would be appropriate until a treaty is reached. I feel somewhat similarly with the gay marriage debate. I am 100% on the side of equality and voted a big fat yes. But I also see it as a limited win. Once upon a time, LGBTQ+ activists were calling for dismantling the institution of marriage. But it was easier to buy passage into the institution rather than tear it down. Marriage has been used throughout history to oppress different groups - think of interracial marriages. Is making an exclusionary system a little less exclusionary better than dismantling it entirely? Or is it just easier? As I say, I voted yes because I appreciate there are very real rights that marriage offers, but I also saw how much of the lesbian and gay community were happy to throw trans people under the bus in order to distinguish themselves as acceptable to the masses. I can appreciate how changing the date and the debate around that gives a voice to some Aboriginal people and makes Australians consider the history of the country. To many, Australia Day feels like salt on the wound. If it came down to a plebiscite, I'd vote yes to changing, largely because as a white ally, I think it's important to listen to what Aboriginal people want. But I think the discussion is broader than just changing the date, and I worry that it has been reduced to nothing more.
ajnode - that would depend on the treaty! That is the point, a treaty is a negotiation. Some topics of interests would likely include land rights, compensation, self-governance, representation, etc.
I just found out my favourite ever Australian is of Croatian heritage just like me! I didn’t know it was possible to love Jordan Shankovich more than I already do, yup officially renamed Shankovich (just to be true to heritage lol)
Love this channel! When i saw this vid, i almost didnt watch it coz it never does not hurt to hear ppl talking about blackfullas in a bad way, jordy did fine.. but the comments section.. im just gonna say this, there are 500 different aboriginal language groups in this country and each of them is sub-divided again, we all have our own yarn about who we are and what we deal with, we all have our own perspective. My advice, get rid of all your ideas about what aboriginal people want, its more than likely been fed through a biased media. Talk to aboriginal ppl you know, and if you dont know any, ffs go say hello.
I don't really about what the date is, can we just stop posting our Hot 100 picks everywhere? I don't want to see your indie music tastes, you aren't better than me because you like a band with 50 plays on Spotify
As much as treaty and fixing up the conditions for Indigenous Australians is what we should aim for, having an Australia Day on January 26 is a big fuck you to a fair number of Aboriginal Australians.
A few years ago, I was working in the HSIE faculty at a school that will remain nameless. But I WILL say that some of the biggest bullies in the school were teachers within that faculty, who so proudly held themselves up as champions of "social justice". Indigenous history was one of the shields they most consistently held up. By loudly and proudly marketing themselves as social justice champions, everyone had to overlook how horrible they were to work with as people.
Look, my point of view is sort of similar. I don’t mind if the date is changed or not. I just am failing to understand how protests in Melbourne about changing the date will benefit people in indigenous communities in rural Australia. I come from the NT, I’ve worked in both island and inland communities, it’s not like a protest about a date in Melbourne will change the alcohol and drug abuse. That won’t stop the violence against women and children within communities. Protesting the date won’t change the fact that if you are an indigenous person in a community, you will have a lower life expectancy, it won’t change the face that if you are a female indigenous person that you are the most at risk person to receive violence in the country. We need to prioritise the issues, change the date at some point if it actually helps, but let’s focus on the real issues first. Just my opinion
I think you're bang on about the Australian media exploiting this issue and you're right about people celebrating Australia day as a national holiday rather than a celebration of genocide, but I think you missed the mark on the significance of changing the date and the way the majority of Aboriginal people feel about it. Doesn't matter whether a polling result comes from the internet, the ABC or the Australian government, the stats aren't going to be representative of how the majority of Aboriginal people feel on this debate as it will never include people living in rural communities and missions throughout Australia. Saying that a couple of your Aboriginal mates don't give a shit about changing the date isn't representative of anything, and if that is anything to go by, then all of my Aboriginal friends from North Queensland have drastically different opinions that they share on social media every time Australia day rolls around. For most people, changing the date isn't going to do or mean shit. The results of simply changing the date of a national holiday can't really be measured in any tangible way so why should we bother? Well, we should bother because no matter how inane or trivial it may seem to us as Australians, it's important because it symbolically serves as an indicator of where we are at, as a nation, in terms of reconciliation and in terms of the average Australian's general outlook where Indigenous affairs are concerned. Also, this whole shit about people just jumping on the bandwagon because they want to appear as less racist is a crock of shit too. This day in our history is the business of every Australian because it is a shared history, whether or not you or your family was affected by a traumatic event is irrelevant, we each have the power to choose whether we want to celebrate our nation's past or make an attempt to create real change in the way we view our nation, it's origins and the people that we live here with. Feel free to lump me with the rest of the people standing up for Aboriginal rights who aren't Aboriginal, but as an Archaeologist who works in remote Aboriginal communities who grew up in a remote Aboriginal community, I feel it's an important issue that shouldn't be trivialised just because the media has chosen to exploit it.
Stevethegoddamnemu pretty sure because its about the big boys (not the convicts) ignoring the aboriginal people and declaring them as fauna so they could call the island uninhabited so they could claim it for britain
Wholeheartedly agree that the issue is publicised and politicised for the profit of many businesses (not just the youth-oriented media you mentioned, but also the conservative, more nationalistic media that feed off the "LOOK WHAT THE LEFTIES ARE DOING TO OUR CULTURE NOW" outrage). It should be cut and dried: Australia Day is the day we celebrate our culture and achievements as Australians. Currently, we celebrate our culture and achievements on a date that many Australians (both indigenous and non-indigenous) consider to be profoundly insensitive. So let's pick a date in the spirit of inclusiveness for all Australians, change the date (just like we did in 1994) and be done with it. No bullshit, no politicking, change the date and move on to something more serious.
I don't agree with most of what Jordan says or even the way he puts forward his argument. But yea, he is unfortunately one of the very few lefties with some form of critical thinking skills that most times do not devolve into emotional tyranny.
Remembrance Day should be January 26th and May 8th should become Australia Day. Or in other words M8's day! Come welcome our newest mates and celebrate with the ones we already have!
26 January is a bit hot, good for picnics in some parts of the country but these can be plagued by ravenous flies. Two dates suggested. 9 October to commemorate the Vice Regal assent to the Statute of Westminster in 1942, the piece of legislation that gave us more autonomy than any other; nice spring weather, neither too hot or cold. 8 August to commemorate the start of Australia's most effective military campaign, the Battle of Amiens in 1918, a bit too cold in Tasmania and southern Victoria. A date is just a date.
Australia day should be the day we ACTUALLY became a country, January first (1901). Not the day some British ships dropped anchor in a harbor. I agree completely with Jordan, but if we change the date to Jan first its completely a win-win. Aboriginals and my fellow (idiotic) lefties will be satisifed and the country will actually celebrate the date we became a nation.
As far as I know, no. The violence and atrocities happened sometime after. The difference is what each day means. Without even looking at the indigenous side of the argument for a minute. We celebrate Australia day on the anniversary of British ships sailing into Sydney Harbour. Over 200 years before Australia was even a country. Why do we celebrate our nation over a British accomplishment? Australia federated from the United Kingdom on January first, 1901, that was the first day of Australian existence as a country and the day we had our own identity. Like every other country in the world we should be celebrating our national day on the anniversary we actually became a country. That's my only (logical) argument. the 'additional' benefit from doing this is that it avoids this whole crap show that has started with the 'change the date' campaign, aboriginals win as they don't have to celebrate the day that represents the start of a 'genocide' and it's a win for everyone else who celebrates our country on the date we actually became one.
haha, which in all honesty is the reason it would never get changed, no one wants to lose a public holiday to celebrate our national day, the day after new years eve as well. It would be practical and logical, just not well liked.
yes it is already a public holiday (which is why it will never get changed to it) " Captain Cooks landing was a massive turning point in the history of Australia " Yes, it was, so was the landing of multiple dutch sailors who founded Australia first and interacted with the aboriginals first (first Europeans that is) so was the Eureka Stockade and many many more. But do you know what they all have in common, they are European feats and achievements. Not Australian. Why should our country celebrate our nationhood on the back of a British accomplishment, some would argue THAT is unaustralian... because in all honesty there is nothing Australian about it. " makes sense to pick as marking the beginning of this era of Australia. " in my opinion, not in the slightest. I'm a secondary history teacher, and the fact is the start of the Australian era could technically start from as far back as the first Europeans in the country. All the way up to (in my opinion) the actual start of Australia history (era) Federation. Before that, we were simply a British colony. I know there is no chance that the date is changing, im under no illusion of that. The fact is it would be logical if it was changed to a day that actually represents the start of Australia as a country (what the day is supposed to be for) On top of this we have the added benefit of appeases the aboriginal people who understandably do not like the date (due to what it represents) but that is only secondary to the main point.
Glad to hear mate, " but disagree when you say that the British ships sailing into the harbor was the start of the genocide. " Yes, and I stated that loosely I should add, of course, it wasn't the start of a genocide by any practical means. There was a long period at the start of colonization where it was peaceful between the settlers and indigenous. I also do not agree that the date represents genocide or violence. those things did happen but not until later. But I do understand why the aboriginals see that date as the 'start' of it. I don't agree with it, but it was the day the British settlers landed so I can see why they don't like the date. " then the day Australia federated marks the day the land was formally taken from the aborigines. " No, i don't agree, technically the land was taken from them yes, the British declared the land 'terra nullius' It was the British who took the land from them. When Australia became a nation it was passed to us. I don't believe Australia has any blame for their land being taken, it was done by another sovereign nation, to add to this is the fact that it wasn't until Australia was a nation after 1901, that we recognised aboriginal land rights and gave them back a lot (not all obviously) of their land. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander organizations own 14.22% of Australia compared to the 0% when it was a colony. " Keep in mind 1901 was long before aborigines had any right so it’s not like Australia became a country with their people in mind " you're absolutely right, but the difference is Australia has been a country for less time then it was a colony of the UK, yet in that time aboriginals have gained full rights, land rights, and many recognization programs. That was accomplished by an Australian government. compared to the British who did nothing. " We celebrate Australia Day because it marks the very beginning of what would become a great country. " And this is my main point, it doesn't. The United Kingdom had no intention of making Australia an independent sovereign nation when it invested into colonizing the land. It was nothing more than territorial expansion. The beginning of Australian self-determination happened over 100 years after Cook landed, and didn't become a country until 1901, the date of which we should be celebrating. American, india, Canada, and almost any nation I know of don't celebrate their independence or the founding day on ANY other day then the day they became a naiton. Australia is one of only a few exceptions. " Nobody is celebrating the injustices that happened to the aborigines. This is sjw nonsense and I can see clear through all the virtue signalling. " Yes I agree completely, 100% which is why my argument and points have nothing to do with the aboriginal side of the argument, (i only stated that changing the date would make them happy as an added bonus) We should be celebrating our national day on the day we became a country. But again, im under no illusion that the date will likely never change. (sorry for the long reply)
I don't care what date Straya Day is on and I wouldn't care if it was changed either. The people who insist that it has to be Jan 26 have an agenda just as those who want it changed do. Historically that date means almost nothing to most people: it's the anniversary of the 1788 arrival of the First Fleet and raising of the British Flag at Sydney Cove. Most of us have no connection to that event, but we will go along with whatever date the holiday is for one reason: we all like to get the day off and do whatever we want.
Check out Adam Briggs from A.B Original or Celeste Liddle, or Blackfulla Revolution on FB, all Indigenous people who have something to say on the issue.
I think the only real reason we are now suddenly talking about changing the date is the same sex marriage bill has been passed and this is the next issue the Government is allowing us to discuss in a lively manner, pulling focus from vastly more important issues. Sadly we still fall for this kind of shit.
Honestly as an indigenous australian, i couldn't care less about what day it is on. At this point it's just an excuse to get shit faced and watch fireworks. If you're upset about something that happened over 100 years ago, but yet increased our lifespan and quality of life, then you should be upset everyday.
Fellow Aboriginal here, and first time I disagree with one of ur views.... that most of us don’t care about #changethedate ... Most my friends and family do care & want the date changed. But maybe it’s because I’m in WA? must not be important to mob over east.
26th has gotta be the worst day to celebrate Australia day. Here’ a list of things they did on the 26th: -Move location from original landing sight -Raise a flag -Whip some convicts. That’s it. That’s all they did.
Jan 26th is NOT the anniversary of anything to do with whites invading! It is the anniversary of the day in 1949 when an Act passed by the Chifley Government became law, making Australians Australian citizens. Prior to that date we were all technically British citizens.
The funny thing is 26-01-1788 is not Australia’s birthday, it’s NSW’s birthday. Australia’s birthday is in fact 01-01-1901. The fact is Australia didn’t exist till then & was basically created for similar reasons the EU was created. So why blame Australia for things that happened in the 18th & 19th Century when we don’t blame the EU for the devastation of WWI or WWII & the Holocaust.
Im a white Australian who is 1/128th aboriginal, i don't identify as aboriginal. I personally think Remembrance day should be a public holiday the day after Australia day. HOWEVER, Australia day isnt about invasion, its about a country united over the bad history. i dont cry about it. I TELL EVERYONE who complains about the stolen generation and Cptn Cook that Australia got lucky with the British because if the Americans got here first, Australia would have become the biggest slave trade country next to Africa. Have i claimed Aboriginal or torris strait islander on forms before? Yes i have, you should have seen how quick a recruiter wanted to employ someone who is Aboriginal mix into the Goverment. its political correctness gone mad. I DO however think the Australian flag should be changed to INCLUDE aboriginal colors.
Anyone who thinks slavery didn't exist in Australia clearly doesn't know our shameful history www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/12/01/10-things-you-should-know-about-slavery-australia
Boy am I glad this video came out so I finally know what my opinion should be on this. Absolutely correct, birds shouldn't be in cages. Good work Jordan.
plenty of good content there in regards to media groups capitalizing on a trend. that being said: -if you cant find indigenous people who genuinely care about the date, you're really not looking very hard. -discourses happen on twitter, etc. like it or not, it's moved things to the point where a change may actually happen.
I want the date changed, but I still did things with my mates on the 26th. The only reason that day has value is because the government says it does. Change it to March 3rd (commemorating the breaking of ties with the UK by passage of the Australia Act), that way it’s still a warm time of year and the day is unequivocally more Australian. Some try to bring in the republic debate, but that just raises more issues. The issue is that it’s not hard for politicians to change the date unless they think the 26th has intrinsic value, so why not change it?
Any aspect of a culture or a society or even the belief of a particular individual is to some degree a product of group think (or unthink) - and certainly group opinions can change quickly when the conditions are right, and that in turn can make them appear shallow. But regardless of where they come from, or the motivations of those who hold them, what matters is only whether those group thoughts actually stand up to rational scrutiny.
Genuinely curious to see how many people use bonza, onya, righto or strewth as common slang. Mates and I use them all at least part of the time... we are from Gladstone though, that could explain a few things
I think we should change it because "Australia" wasn't even a thing on January 26th. We were a bunch of British colonies until Federation in January 1st 1901. I think we should change it to that and move the New Year's holiday to December 30th so we get 2 days off for the New Year and thus can get pissed in peace. Thank you for coming to my ted talk. (I'm still gonna have snags and go to the beach on the 26th though because it's an opportunity).
@@EvilParagon4 the fourth Wednesday of January would actually be a really good idea. It retains the convenient placement and lets people celebrate their country, but doesn't put too much weight on the colonization itself.
I have to disagree, mate. I thought legalising gay marriage was arbitrary until I realised (after the vote) that it does push the centre towards general acceptance of gay couples. The changing of the date, as arbitrary as it sounds, would push the public to be more aware of our black history.
That's commendable that it was part of your curriculum. I don't remember it being part of mine (I'm 23). I would argue that the whole gay marriage debate could have been seen as people just virtue signalling. That was certainly my suspicion during the debate. While changing the date or the name of a date is almost certainly more arbitrary than letting people marry, it's a small step in a positive direction. I'm bloody impressed you could recount those statistics about the NT btw. edit: Just found out that the ships didn't even arrive in Botany Bay on Jan 26 but sometime between Jan 18-20 1788.
>I don't remember it being part of mine you 100% sure you just weren't paying attention or something? I went to a shitty public school and I'm 19 and we spent an entire term if not longer on aboriginal history back in 9th/10th grade and that's really a lot of fucking content for such a small minority of the population if you think about it. I don't know a single person who grew up in Aus in my vague age range who didn't have something similar in school.
Just curious, did you go to a public or private high school? I went to public primary school and went onto a pretty prestigious private high school (yeah, im one of those wankers). I cant remember if it was taught in primary school but I feel like I would remember if it was part of my high school curriculum and i really don't think it was. Like you said, I could be forgetting.
Depending on which state you're in, the national curriculum was probably implemented somewhere between the schooling experiences of people aged 23 and people aged 19. I went through under QLD state curriculum and never heard about the genocide and slavery parts of colonisation until uni, never mind the ongoing issues with the NT Intervention. Mostly my teachers (and only in English, not SOSE/History) just covered Stolen Generation and displacement - a relatively sugar-coated version of history tbh.
The history is contested because it changes how we act by how we see ourselves today. Recognizing that the day we celebrate on is a bit rubbish is about recognizing that our history, as its become part of our present, is not relay worthy of celebration. And changing that day is about marking that recognition with something, accepting that the crappy history we have isn't just in our past, and agreeing that we still need to do something about it, so that we can make ourselves worthy of the celebration.
Look, I'd support a change in the date, based solely on empathy for the aboriginal communities that argue it's offensive. I'm not personally offended, but I want the date to be inclusive. So more than half of aborigines surveyed wanted to change the date but this is meaningless to you? If not having most aborigines say they want the date changed, what proportion is enough for you to think the aboriginal community wants this?
It's a date in history, it can't be inclusive. It's actually exclusive because no one who was there then is still alive. No one still has a stake in what happened then and most importantly no one who holds any responsibility for what happened then or soon after is alive to be held responsible. Changing the date is utterly futile because of this.
His argument isnt against changing the date because some Indigenous people are offended by it, he argument is against the pop culture news outlets virtue signalling and feigning outrage for clicks
@ Tom Tucker. Right, and he makes that argument because he's not convinced indigenous people themselves are offended by the date. Apparently it's just news corporations engaging in groupthink.
ProductionBandit If 100% of Aboriginals wanted a change and you didn't care cause it doesn't concern you, then you're selfish. Selfish people are assholes. Is there any simpler of a way I could spell this out?
Its a day for all Australians to celebrate Australia. There's 364 other days to complain about not being wiped out and enslaved by Germany or Japan. I'm not responsible for the past and I'm sick of hearing the the bleading hearts telling me i have to pay for someone else's action in history. Try pushing for equality instead of more division.
9:42 Celebrate that you can make fun of [Australia] and its leaders." Well maybe the country's leaders, but not NSW state government leaders apparantly :) Best of luck. Bring Pork Barreller DOWN! Donate to Friendly Jordies Legal Fund.
I’m very white and here’s my two cents: if some people want it changed who is it actually bothering? Aussies like me can celebrate literally any other significant day and have a great time, it’s not hard :)
Doesn't matter if you're celebrating captain cook, Australia as a nation, or just wanna get smashed, it's still the day when the bloody history between my Indigenous Ancestors and colonists began. There are better days.
Yeah, but invasion happened on that day. I never liked it, all the time growing up i had to go to invasion day rallies, meetings, and mournings. It's sombre and depressing for many Indigenous People. Of course all communities are different, and other communities probably don't give a flying fuck. But it's an issue that can coincide with a shift or at least start a shift in a small way.
biscobisco I understand that, but what I need you to understand that this is inherently an emotional issue. I mostly agree with the vid, mainstream websites jump on social issues and ride them for profit. There are real Indigenous Issues that need to be addressed, like having actual Indigenous Government presiding over Indigenous affairs, lack of access to proper healthcare infrastructure and education etc. The thing about Australia Day as we have it now, is that it makes my nan, amongst a lot of people’s parents and grandparents (I’m only 21), remember and reflect on these issues. It’s becoming a whole media storm now, but I’ve been going to invasion day ceremonies since I was 8. People have always wanted to change the date. This isn’t an issue that can be explained logically, people know that 2018 Jan 16 is not Jan 16 1788. But it feels like it, and the country cheers. It’s an emotional response, it’s not infallible but it happens regardless of logic. I mean y’all can be cool with the date, I just personally feel like my nan would be happier celebrating it on the day the referendum was passed that allowed Indigenous peoples to be counted in the census, a day where all Australians were considered citizens of 1 nation. 27th May.
I mean have you not seen how much things have improved for aboriginal people since this date? Look at life span, education, technology. Easy to only focus on the negatives for some
Why don’t we just Annex New Zealand and use that date as our national holiday?
now you're using your noggin
Smyles Fife-Anthony you mean Greater Australia?
@@adomalyon1 burn the internet down, we no longer need it... That comment is both the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end and it is beautiful....
Aw man, as a New Zealander we know there's literally nothing we Could do to stop you.
If you're gonna annex us as least reinstate penalty rates
If it means we win the Rugby World Cup every time, then so be it.
I don’t really care what happens as long as I get penalty rates
Emily Rose Hughes yep! I'm working too 👍
she will.....
MFW I work at a job that doesn't offer penalty rates. RIP
LuKirby Same here bro I'm gonna get a new one soon
I’m Māori and one of my best mates is Aboriginal, and jordies impression of “minority perverts” is spot on! This girl came up to my mate at a party once and the first thing she said to her was “ always was always will be”. It was one of the most bizarre interactions I’ve ever seen.
As a Croatian fan this is really unexpected and immensely entertaining.
fuckin aye
Imagine what l felt
Mood
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Indigenous Australian here. I would like the date changed, only because May 8th (or M8 day) is funnier than Jan 26th. I believe all Australians have is a good sense of humor.....so let's reflect that in the stupid day we choose to shoot fire and sparkles in the air and get piss drunk. Just a humble man's opinion.
yea good idea lets just roll over to these cunts, it's not like its a slippery slope or anything.....
Bulk Bogan give me back my wives cardigan
You want it changed 'only because its funnier'. It isn't even funny its a fucking lame date. 'Mate' isn't even our word its taken from the UK. I get thr indigenous people of Australia wanting to change it but May 8 has got to be the most pathetic lame idea I've ever heard.
that's cool man.
I think January 1st is the best date, it marks the federation of Australia from the Uk
Hey Friendlyjordies. I take serious issue with this video. How very dare you imply I and many others like me don't say "righto" on a regular basis? I usually opt for "rightio" but the shorter version is still fairly common.
The absolute gall. Honestly.
Otherwise yeah, good dismantling of clickbait media.
100%
I use 'righto' numerously over the course of a day. Fuck you, Shanks, you fucking colonist shill.
I smell another pointless plebiscite brewing.
Amber N who cares at this point, nothing was lost either way...
except the 100 million it cost to run
Hahaha yes
strewth, onya
Lumuns survival
righto
Bonza
Lumuns righto
I forgot about Thorpie falling in the pool.
Me too
Triple j more like triple lame. Ha got em
fucking slaughtered. your a mad man.
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ABSOLUTE MAD MAAAN!
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Impressed but also slightly disappointed at the lack of Balkan shitfighting in the comments.
Fuck off serbia, albania! GREAT ALBANIAA! (Hey, im trying here!)
eroticyobbo FUCK OFF. SERBIA NUMBER 1. RUN AWAY
time to go BOWLING, cousin!
Yowie Power brat! I am Serbian and Croatian! So I’m fucked whichever way 👍
Kosovo je naš 🇭🇷
The editing from "I'm a Slav" to "I'm squatting right now" is great.
Shame that Jordies is a western spy.
Sharing socially conscious listicles means you can step over people at Redfern station.
James L this guy fucks
OOFT
Oh yes? And what exactly do you do to/with those people at Redfern station?
This is spot on. People are patting themselves on the back for retweeting a hashtag but never make any effort in their personal or professional lives to include Indigenous people or understand their perspectives (shocker: not every Indigenous person has the same opinion on Australia Day, what a concept!).
i think aus day should be on the 25th of December and Christmas should be on April 1st and April fools day should be on 10th of june and the queens birthday should be on the 26th of January.
Christ-mas should be on April Fools Day.
As a 21 Year old Kosovo Refugee seeing you talk about Serbs and Bosnian relations is really relatable and that skit at 2:08 made me laugh so hard. Good video bro!
I had no idea what #ChangeTheDate was and was seriously worried for a while that Australia was considering ditching the Gregorian Calendar for a calendar reflecting the entire span of time Australia has been settled by Aborigines - which would make this year, on such an Australian calendar, about the year 67018.
Blundering Tusk that would still be more logical than what it actually is lol
Personally, i think the date should be changed. Im croatian too :^), Im not gonna piss my pants because people like doing fun stuff on a public holiday, im just gonna not celebrate it and get paid double time. I live in one of the densest areas when it comes to aboriginal population, and unfortunately there is still extreme remorse about what theyve been through. Rightfully so i think, i literally live around the corner from the old boys home from the stolen generation.
Talking to one of my best mates (she is aboriginal) she doesnt agree with celebrating the day because it marks the beginning of the story that caused a genocide and ripped her grandparents from their families, but she is not opposed to having a day celebrating being australian. She doesnt get pissy at people though, she kinda just says she doesnt agree with it and moves on.
Let’s change it to when we became a federation or some shit, something that marks AUSTRALIA, not some prisoners getting dumped on a beach. Just think its a respect thing tbh. Just get blackout drunk and hit the beach on a different day
First kind and compassionate and reasonable comment I've come across, thank you! Most of the others are a bunch of privileged white kids/dudes/occasional chick staying comfy.
How? Why assume their privileged
@@jacquelineanswer2992because by setting up a strawman of "privileged people" that she can easily rage against, it proves that she's not one of them and is therefore exempt from having "privilege". It's a faux-empathetic snake move.
Notice she said "occasional chick" too. Remember everyone: women are perfect angels who can do nothing wrong, except for the "outliers" who don't speak for women. Also remember: if a man does something bad, it's a referendum on their entire gender.
Using the Hotline Miami 2 soundtrack, a game banned in Australia for being too offensive, nice touch.
"Imagine if it was your ancestors that were killed"
Well, I am part Irish, and my ancestors suffered major war crimes and massacres at the hands of England so, yeah
But if it is to be changed, change it to March 3. Seeing as March 3, 1986 is the day Australia seceded from the British Empire.
Exactly right march 3
U mean the day the political class committed treason against the crown and against the people of Australia? Removing the queen from power and therefore any protection the Australian people had against corruption? The day Australia registered with the US board of patents as a corporation?
@@kingbillycokebottle5484 go back to england pom
@@Bradley2806 so Ur ok with the political taking Ur rights away so long as u get the republic? Even though most Aussie don't want it? Most aussies just understood the monarch was to keep the parliament in check. Shit I bet U even prefer the ease of the two party system aswell
We are still part of the British empire
'Australia Day' has been a day of protest for the Aboriginal people since the '30s, and I worry how much of this #ChangetheDate is basically a distraction. What the protests have been about is a treaty, which is hugely important and actually has tangible impacts. But now, it's just about a symbolic date change. You hardly hear treaty discussed anymore, even amongst people arguing for the date to be changed. It's been pushed off the agenda for something that is easier to both call for and to grant.
Katey Flowers I honestly had no idea there was a treaty being protested, which just illustrates your point really. Thanks for saying this otherwise I never would've known :)
A treaty that would result in what?
As the saying goes, treaty us
no el - I agree, there is validity in the change the date movement, and I certainly see its merit. But there's also the argument that Australia is itself a legal fallacy and therefore, no date would be appropriate until a treaty is reached.
I feel somewhat similarly with the gay marriage debate. I am 100% on the side of equality and voted a big fat yes. But I also see it as a limited win. Once upon a time, LGBTQ+ activists were calling for dismantling the institution of marriage. But it was easier to buy passage into the institution rather than tear it down. Marriage has been used throughout history to oppress different groups - think of interracial marriages. Is making an exclusionary system a little less exclusionary better than dismantling it entirely? Or is it just easier? As I say, I voted yes because I appreciate there are very real rights that marriage offers, but I also saw how much of the lesbian and gay community were happy to throw trans people under the bus in order to distinguish themselves as acceptable to the masses.
I can appreciate how changing the date and the debate around that gives a voice to some Aboriginal people and makes Australians consider the history of the country. To many, Australia Day feels like salt on the wound. If it came down to a plebiscite, I'd vote yes to changing, largely because as a white ally, I think it's important to listen to what Aboriginal people want. But I think the discussion is broader than just changing the date, and I worry that it has been reduced to nothing more.
ajnode - that would depend on the treaty! That is the point, a treaty is a negotiation. Some topics of interests would likely include land rights, compensation, self-governance, representation, etc.
maybe we can turn australia day into a day of respect and quiet contemplation. the fireworks really freak out my dog.
Respect and quiet contemplation will come with the dawn.
JoesGuy sad but true. vote 1 animal justice party, my dog deserves to earn a liveable wage.
TheGracefulChariot your dog is a dole bludger, stop giving it a free lunch and kick it inta ya local coles to get a fucking job.
Ummmm, it's Australia.... quiet and respectful contemplation isn't quite a defining national characteristic of our great southern home...
Fair Work Commission says no :(
I just found out my favourite ever Australian is of Croatian heritage just like me! I didn’t know it was possible to love Jordan Shankovich more than I already do, yup officially renamed Shankovich (just to be true to heritage lol)
Well he is Jordan Shanks-Markovina
Yeah he is also half Scottish which he talks about quite often
Love this channel! When i saw this vid, i almost didnt watch it coz it never does not hurt to hear ppl talking about blackfullas in a bad way, jordy did fine.. but the comments section.. im just gonna say this, there are 500 different aboriginal language groups in this country and each of them is sub-divided again, we all have our own yarn about who we are and what we deal with, we all have our own perspective. My advice, get rid of all your ideas about what aboriginal people want, its more than likely been fed through a biased media. Talk to aboriginal ppl you know, and if you dont know any, ffs go say hello.
katy scott source?
@@Jade-fb7uv maybe not every one.
But it certainly prompted the Howard government to act against it years ago, among other reasons.
WHY NOT MAKE RECONCILIATION DAY A PUBLIC HOLIDAY? WIN FOR EVERYONE ?????
How about we don't, and say we did ...
I'm in England... Celebrating Australia Day by getting mangled on Jack Daniels in my Dangley Cork Hat 😎👍
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer like what???? Dirty vb??
Gotta be an irony in getting piss drunk on Tenesse Whiskey on Aussie Day
Jack daniels??? That's American not Australian ya dumb pom.
I don't really about what the date is, can we just stop posting our Hot 100 picks everywhere?
I don't want to see your indie music tastes, you aren't better than me because you like a band with 50 plays on Spotify
BayleyTSE I know bands with like 15 plays, so there..
yeah because triple j is soo alternative..
YAS
Remember when JJJ played indie music instead of pop garbage? I think my mum does.
Triple J is for those types of people that think they're unique for liking radiohead
Can we just put Australia Day on the third Monday of January? Long weekend guaranteed, not celebrating a specific date. Any reason not to?
Mate, Vice has put out a hit on you for this piece. lol
Talk about Manufacturing Consent, right?
No one gonna mention that the date that we celebrate our country has changed numerous times in the last 150 years? It's literally an arbitrary number.
I had to look away at the mouth bit.
Don't lie - you stared right into it.
Let's be real, we are celebrating a day off work
As much as treaty and fixing up the conditions for Indigenous Australians is what we should aim for, having an Australia Day on January 26 is a big fuck you to a fair number of Aboriginal Australians.
Good lord, 7:24 always gets me. “Sick bangers for bangin’ down your Tutsi neighbour’s doors.”
The problem was the people at triple j used a tiny sample to decide if their entire audience wanted a day change
A few years ago, I was working in the HSIE faculty at a school that will remain nameless. But I WILL say that some of the biggest bullies in the school were teachers within that faculty, who so proudly held themselves up as champions of "social justice". Indigenous history was one of the shields they most consistently held up. By loudly and proudly marketing themselves as social justice champions, everyone had to overlook how horrible they were to work with as people.
Look, my point of view is sort of similar. I don’t mind if the date is changed or not. I just am failing to understand how protests in Melbourne about changing the date will benefit people in indigenous communities in rural Australia.
I come from the NT, I’ve worked in both island and inland communities, it’s not like a protest about a date in Melbourne will change the alcohol and drug abuse. That won’t stop the violence against women and children within communities. Protesting the date won’t change the fact that if you are an indigenous person in a community, you will have a lower life expectancy, it won’t change the face that if you are a female indigenous person that you are the most at risk person to receive violence in the country.
We need to prioritise the issues, change the date at some point if it actually helps, but let’s focus on the real issues first. Just my opinion
Just got onto your stuff and this is my favourite yet 👏
Man, you are a much needed respite from the dribble that is the current state of Australian media! Legend!
As a Serb I found this funny 😂
Preach Jordan, PREAAAAACHHHHHHH
Obligingly RIP avincii while in here a group of junkies are not impressed in watching this in public with no headphones at 4am
getting ready for this to swirl back up again!!
I think you're bang on about the Australian media exploiting this issue and you're right about people celebrating Australia day as a national holiday rather than a celebration of genocide, but I think you missed the mark on the significance of changing the date and the way the majority of Aboriginal people feel about it. Doesn't matter whether a polling result comes from the internet, the ABC or the Australian government, the stats aren't going to be representative of how the majority of Aboriginal people feel on this debate as it will never include people living in rural communities and missions throughout Australia. Saying that a couple of your Aboriginal mates don't give a shit about changing the date isn't representative of anything, and if that is anything to go by, then all of my Aboriginal friends from North Queensland have drastically different opinions that they share on social media every time Australia day rolls around. For most people, changing the date isn't going to do or mean shit.
The results of simply changing the date of a national holiday can't really be measured in any tangible way so why should we bother? Well, we should bother because no matter how inane or trivial it may seem to us as Australians, it's important because it symbolically serves as an indicator of where we are at, as a nation, in terms of reconciliation and in terms of the average Australian's general outlook where Indigenous affairs are concerned. Also, this whole shit about people just jumping on the bandwagon because they want to appear as less racist is a crock of shit too. This day in our history is the business of every Australian because it is a shared history, whether or not you or your family was affected by a traumatic event is irrelevant, we each have the power to choose whether we want to celebrate our nation's past or make an attempt to create real change in the way we view our nation, it's origins and the people that we live here with. Feel free to lump me with the rest of the people standing up for Aboriginal rights who aren't Aboriginal, but as an Archaeologist who works in remote Aboriginal communities who grew up in a remote Aboriginal community, I feel it's an important issue that shouldn't be trivialised just because the media has chosen to exploit it.
rydakule My thoughts exactly.
OMG YES XXX
Excellently put. Was pretty surprised by Jordan's views here
perfect comment
rydakule beautiful....
They say it's invasion day even though the majority of white Australians ancestors were brought here unwillingly
Stevethegoddamnemu pretty sure because its about the big boys (not the convicts) ignoring the aboriginal people and declaring them as fauna so they could call the island uninhabited so they could claim it for britain
Huh, the establishment blaming us for their mistakes, things really haven't changed much have they
Wholeheartedly agree that the issue is publicised and politicised for the profit of many businesses (not just the youth-oriented media you mentioned, but also the conservative, more nationalistic media that feed off the "LOOK WHAT THE LEFTIES ARE DOING TO OUR CULTURE NOW" outrage). It should be cut and dried: Australia Day is the day we celebrate our culture and achievements as Australians. Currently, we celebrate our culture and achievements on a date that many Australians (both indigenous and non-indigenous) consider to be profoundly insensitive. So let's pick a date in the spirit of inclusiveness for all Australians, change the date (just like we did in 1994) and be done with it. No bullshit, no politicking, change the date and move on to something more serious.
Hope JJJ see this
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 A self-proclaimed leftie with critical thinking skills. There is hope.
I don't agree with most of what Jordan says or even the way he puts forward his argument. But yea, he is unfortunately one of the very few lefties with some form of critical thinking skills that most times do not devolve into emotional tyranny.
Ehh, I dunno. The ones that you guys argue with on the internet don't really constitute the majority, they're just the most noisy.
Bitcoin
"Some one who agrees with me. He must be smart, of course."
God the youtube comments really are a hive of scum and ignorance.
Remembrance Day should be January 26th and May 8th should become Australia Day. Or in other words M8's day! Come welcome our newest mates and celebrate with the ones we already have!
I love it. When you say “triple j is shit”. You play a banger in the background. Double neg
26 January is a bit hot, good for picnics in some parts of the country but these can be plagued by ravenous flies. Two dates suggested. 9 October to commemorate the Vice Regal assent to the Statute of Westminster in 1942, the piece of legislation that gave us more autonomy than any other; nice spring weather, neither too hot or cold. 8 August to commemorate the start of Australia's most effective military campaign, the Battle of Amiens in 1918, a bit too cold in Tasmania and southern Victoria. A date is just a date.
Australia day should be the day we ACTUALLY became a country, January first (1901). Not the day some British ships dropped anchor in a harbor. I agree completely with Jordan, but if we change the date to Jan first its completely a win-win. Aboriginals and my fellow (idiotic) lefties will be satisifed and the country will actually celebrate the date we became a nation.
but then I won't get me day off!
As far as I know, no. The violence and atrocities happened sometime after. The difference is what each day means. Without even looking at the indigenous side of the argument for a minute. We celebrate Australia day on the anniversary of British ships sailing into Sydney Harbour. Over 200 years before Australia was even a country. Why do we celebrate our nation over a British accomplishment?
Australia federated from the United Kingdom on January first, 1901, that was the first day of Australian existence as a country and the day we had our own identity. Like every other country in the world we should be celebrating our national day on the anniversary we actually became a country. That's my only (logical) argument. the 'additional' benefit from doing this is that it avoids this whole crap show that has started with the 'change the date' campaign, aboriginals win as they don't have to celebrate the day that represents the start of a 'genocide' and it's a win for everyone else who celebrates our country on the date we actually became one.
haha, which in all honesty is the reason it would never get changed, no one wants to lose a public holiday to celebrate our national day, the day after new years eve as well. It would be practical and logical, just not well liked.
yes it is already a public holiday (which is why it will never get changed to it)
" Captain Cooks landing was a massive turning point in the history of Australia "
Yes, it was, so was the landing of multiple dutch sailors who founded Australia first and interacted with the aboriginals first (first Europeans that is) so was the Eureka Stockade and many many more. But do you know what they all have in common, they are European feats and achievements. Not Australian. Why should our country celebrate our nationhood on the back of a British accomplishment, some would argue THAT is unaustralian... because in all honesty there is nothing Australian about it.
" makes sense to pick as marking the beginning of this era of Australia. "
in my opinion, not in the slightest. I'm a secondary history teacher, and the fact is the start of the Australian era could technically start from as far back as the first Europeans in the country. All the way up to (in my opinion) the actual start of Australia history (era) Federation. Before that, we were simply a British colony.
I know there is no chance that the date is changing, im under no illusion of that. The fact is it would be logical if it was changed to a day that actually represents the start of Australia as a country (what the day is supposed to be for)
On top of this we have the added benefit of appeases the aboriginal people who understandably do not like the date (due to what it represents) but that is only secondary to the main point.
Glad to hear mate,
" but disagree when you say that the British ships sailing into the harbor was the start of the genocide. "
Yes, and I stated that loosely I should add, of course, it wasn't the start of a genocide by any practical means. There was a long period at the start of colonization where it was peaceful between the settlers and indigenous. I also do not agree that the date represents genocide or violence. those things did happen but not until later. But I do understand why the aboriginals see that date as the 'start' of it. I don't agree with it, but it was the day the British settlers landed so I can see why they don't like the date.
" then the day Australia federated marks the day the land was formally taken from the aborigines. "
No, i don't agree, technically the land was taken from them yes, the British declared the land 'terra nullius' It was the British who took the land from them. When Australia became a nation it was passed to us. I don't believe Australia has any blame for their land being taken, it was done by another sovereign nation, to add to this is the fact that it wasn't until Australia was a nation after 1901, that we recognised aboriginal land rights and gave them back a lot (not all obviously) of their land. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander organizations own 14.22% of Australia compared to the 0% when it was a colony.
" Keep in mind 1901 was long before aborigines had any right so it’s not like Australia became a country with their people in mind "
you're absolutely right, but the difference is Australia has been a country for less time then it was a colony of the UK, yet in that time aboriginals have gained full rights, land rights, and many recognization programs. That was accomplished by an Australian government. compared to the British who did nothing.
" We celebrate Australia Day because it marks the very beginning of what would become a great country. "
And this is my main point, it doesn't. The United Kingdom had no intention of making Australia an independent sovereign nation when it invested into colonizing the land. It was nothing more than territorial expansion. The beginning of Australian self-determination happened over 100 years after Cook landed, and didn't become a country until 1901, the date of which we should be celebrating. American, india, Canada, and almost any nation I know of don't celebrate their independence or the founding day on ANY other day then the day they became a naiton. Australia is one of only a few exceptions.
" Nobody is celebrating the injustices that happened to the aborigines. This is sjw nonsense and I can see clear through all the virtue signalling. "
Yes I agree completely, 100% which is why my argument and points have nothing to do with the aboriginal side of the argument, (i only stated that changing the date would make them happy as an added bonus)
We should be celebrating our national day on the day we became a country.
But again, im under no illusion that the date will likely never change.
(sorry for the long reply)
Jordies trying to speak Croatian at 2:15 is giving me life. How have I never seen this before?
I don't care what date Straya Day is on and I wouldn't care if it was changed either. The people who insist that it has to be Jan 26 have an agenda just as those who want it changed do. Historically that date means almost nothing to most people: it's the anniversary of the 1788 arrival of the First Fleet and raising of the British Flag at Sydney Cove. Most of us have no connection to that event, but we will go along with whatever date the holiday is for one reason: we all like to get the day off and do whatever we want.
Champion reference for Lemmings, that games was fcking dope as sht
Check out Adam Briggs from A.B Original or Celeste Liddle, or Blackfulla Revolution on FB, all Indigenous people who have something to say on the issue.
Loving the Hotline Miami music in the background
I think the only real reason we are now suddenly talking about changing the date is the same sex marriage bill has been passed and this is the next issue the Government is allowing us to discuss in a lively manner, pulling focus from vastly more important issues. Sadly we still fall for this kind of shit.
change the date has been around for at least a decade
Honestly as an indigenous australian, i couldn't care less about what day it is on. At this point it's just an excuse to get shit faced and watch fireworks. If you're upset about something that happened over 100 years ago, but yet increased our lifespan and quality of life, then you should be upset everyday.
Fellow Aboriginal here, and first time I disagree with one of ur views.... that most of us don’t care about #changethedate ... Most my friends and family do care & want the date changed. But maybe it’s because I’m in WA? must not be important to mob over east.
Small snippet of the Life of Boris hard bass song...love it 💕
No one is celebrating genocide in Oz?
Except for Blair Cortell
Ryan Gibson
He was a goddess in jail
yeah that's because they are trying to sweep it under the rug.
fuck off gamer child. stick to fortnight with the rest of the school kids.
Croat here too.
Dalmatian sensation represent.
Fkn love Slav King in the background.
26th has gotta be the worst day to celebrate Australia day. Here’ a list of things they did on the 26th:
-Move location from original landing sight
-Raise a flag
-Whip some convicts.
That’s it. That’s all they did.
Jan 26th is NOT the anniversary of anything to do with whites invading! It is the anniversary of the day in 1949 when an Act passed by the Chifley Government became law, making Australians Australian citizens. Prior to that date we were all technically British citizens.
R.I.P Avicii
The funny thing is 26-01-1788 is not Australia’s birthday, it’s NSW’s birthday. Australia’s birthday is in fact 01-01-1901. The fact is Australia didn’t exist till then & was basically created for similar reasons the EU was created. So why blame Australia for things that happened in the 18th & 19th Century when we don’t blame the EU for the devastation of WWI or WWII & the Holocaust.
Im a white Australian who is 1/128th aboriginal, i don't identify as aboriginal. I personally think Remembrance day should be a public holiday the day after Australia day. HOWEVER, Australia day isnt about invasion, its about a country united over the bad history. i dont cry about it. I TELL EVERYONE who complains about the stolen generation and Cptn Cook that Australia got lucky with the British because if the Americans got here first, Australia would have become the biggest slave trade country next to Africa. Have i claimed Aboriginal or torris strait islander on forms before? Yes i have, you should have seen how quick a recruiter wanted to employ someone who is Aboriginal mix into the Goverment. its political correctness gone mad. I DO however think the Australian flag should be changed to INCLUDE aboriginal colors.
BikeStuff, stfu you're not aboriginal you fucking coconut.
1/128th Aboriginal hahahaha. So ONE of your 128 great great great great great grandparents was aboriginal? Gtfo with your stupid bullshit
Anyone who thinks slavery didn't exist in Australia clearly doesn't know our shameful history
www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/12/01/10-things-you-should-know-about-slavery-australia
whoa, you are like THE authority on the matter.
citizenxgen yeah but there are people alive today who are the beneficiaries of their parents support of slavery
"care about looking like you care" - perfect
Boy am I glad this video came out so I finally know what my opinion should be on this. Absolutely correct, birds shouldn't be in cages. Good work Jordan.
Anyone else watching this in 2019 and still think it’s mad?
matt zietsch the comedy guy
plenty of good content there in regards to media groups capitalizing on a trend. that being said:
-if you cant find indigenous people who genuinely care about the date, you're really not looking very hard.
-discourses happen on twitter, etc. like it or not, it's moved things to the point where a change may actually happen.
The quality and editing of this video was really nice keep up the good work!
I just hope i don't lose a public holiday, i quiet enjoy getting payed and smashing back a few beers with the lads
I want the date changed, but I still did things with my mates on the 26th. The only reason that day has value is because the government says it does. Change it to March 3rd (commemorating the breaking of ties with the UK by passage of the Australia Act), that way it’s still a warm time of year and the day is unequivocally more Australian. Some try to bring in the republic debate, but that just raises more issues. The issue is that it’s not hard for politicians to change the date unless they think the 26th has intrinsic value, so why not change it?
Dude I’ve watched this several times ! You are a dead set genius! Thank you for being a voice of reason ( albeit a fucking hilarious voice )
Any aspect of a culture or a society or even the belief of a particular individual is to some degree a product of group think (or unthink) - and certainly group opinions can change quickly when the conditions are right, and that in turn can make them appear shallow. But regardless of where they come from, or the motivations of those who hold them, what matters is only whether those group thoughts actually stand up to rational scrutiny.
Up until 20yrs ago we here in WA used to all work on Australia Day. That's how much it mean't to us lol. It was akin to International Sausage Day.
How about a Monday? I think that's something we can all agree on.
Thanks for a sensible take on a media beat up manufactured issue.
That radio voice sounds like commercial radio, not triple j. Triple j is fucking awesome.
Another Yilmaz, it has been too long
Genuinely curious to see how many people use bonza, onya, righto or strewth as common slang. Mates and I use them all at least part of the time... we are from Gladstone though, that could explain a few things
Well, yes, but Croatians don’t experience institutional racism like the indigenous do in present day
I think we should change it because "Australia" wasn't even a thing on January 26th. We were a bunch of British colonies until Federation in January 1st 1901.
I think we should change it to that and move the New Year's holiday to December 30th so we get 2 days off for the New Year and thus can get pissed in peace.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
(I'm still gonna have snags and go to the beach on the 26th though because it's an opportunity).
@@EvilParagon4 the fourth Wednesday of January would actually be a really good idea. It retains the convenient placement and lets people celebrate their country, but doesn't put too much weight on the colonization itself.
I have to disagree, mate. I thought legalising gay marriage was arbitrary until I realised (after the vote) that it does push the centre towards general acceptance of gay couples. The changing of the date, as arbitrary as it sounds, would push the public to be more aware of our black history.
That's commendable that it was part of your curriculum. I don't remember it being part of mine (I'm 23). I would argue that the whole gay marriage debate could have been seen as people just virtue signalling. That was certainly my suspicion during the debate.
While changing the date or the name of a date is almost certainly more arbitrary than letting people marry, it's a small step in a positive direction. I'm bloody impressed you could recount those statistics about the NT btw.
edit: Just found out that the ships didn't even arrive in Botany Bay on Jan 26 but sometime between Jan 18-20 1788.
>I don't remember it being part of mine
you 100% sure you just weren't paying attention or something? I went to a shitty public school and I'm 19 and we spent an entire term if not longer on aboriginal history back in 9th/10th grade and that's really a lot of fucking content for such a small minority of the population if you think about it. I don't know a single person who grew up in Aus in my vague age range who didn't have something similar in school.
Just curious, did you go to a public or private high school? I went to public primary school and went onto a pretty prestigious private high school (yeah, im one of those wankers). I cant remember if it was taught in primary school but I feel like I would remember if it was part of my high school curriculum and i really don't think it was. Like you said, I could be forgetting.
aboriginal studies were basically taught all the way between year 6 and year 10 history
Depending on which state you're in, the national curriculum was probably implemented somewhere between the schooling experiences of people aged 23 and people aged 19. I went through under QLD state curriculum and never heard about the genocide and slavery parts of colonisation until uni, never mind the ongoing issues with the NT Intervention. Mostly my teachers (and only in English, not SOSE/History) just covered Stolen Generation and displacement - a relatively sugar-coated version of history tbh.
The history is contested because it changes how we act by how we see ourselves today. Recognizing that the day we celebrate on is a bit rubbish is about recognizing that our history, as its become part of our present, is not relay worthy of celebration. And changing that day is about marking that recognition with something, accepting that the crappy history we have isn't just in our past, and agreeing that we still need to do something about it, so that we can make ourselves worthy of the celebration.
Thanks for being sensible about this, Jordie.
Now that's one use for a Rode VideoMic that I hadn't yet discovered. Bang!
Look, I'd support a change in the date, based solely on empathy for the aboriginal communities that argue it's offensive. I'm not personally offended, but I want the date to be inclusive.
So more than half of aborigines surveyed wanted to change the date but this is meaningless to you? If not having most aborigines say they want the date changed, what proportion is enough for you to think the aboriginal community wants this?
It's a date in history, it can't be inclusive. It's actually exclusive because no one who was there then is still alive. No one still has a stake in what happened then and most importantly no one who holds any responsibility for what happened then or soon after is alive to be held responsible. Changing the date is utterly futile because of this.
His argument isnt against changing the date because some Indigenous people are offended by it, he argument is against the pop culture news outlets virtue signalling and feigning outrage for clicks
Gryppen you might want to look up the history of Australia Day.
@ Tom Tucker. Right, and he makes that argument because he's not convinced indigenous people themselves are offended by the date. Apparently it's just news corporations engaging in groupthink.
ProductionBandit If 100% of Aboriginals wanted a change and you didn't care cause it doesn't concern you, then you're selfish. Selfish people are assholes. Is there any simpler of a way I could spell this out?
Its a day for all Australians to celebrate Australia. There's 364 other days to complain about not being wiped out and enslaved by Germany or Japan. I'm not responsible for the past and I'm sick of hearing the the bleading hearts telling me i have to pay for someone else's action in history.
Try pushing for equality instead of more division.
9:42 Celebrate that you can make fun of [Australia] and its leaders." Well maybe the country's leaders, but not NSW state government leaders apparantly :) Best of luck. Bring Pork Barreller DOWN! Donate to Friendly Jordies Legal Fund.
I’m very white and here’s my two cents: if some people want it changed who is it actually bothering? Aussies like me can celebrate literally any other significant day and have a great time, it’s not hard :)
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Doesn't matter if you're celebrating captain cook, Australia as a nation, or just wanna get smashed, it's still the day when the bloody history between my Indigenous Ancestors and colonists began. There are better days.
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Yeah, but invasion happened on that day.
I never liked it, all the time growing up i had to go to invasion day rallies, meetings, and mournings. It's sombre and depressing for many Indigenous People.
Of course all communities are different, and other communities probably don't give a flying fuck. But it's an issue that can coincide with a shift or at least start a shift in a small way.
biscobisco I understand that, but what I need you to understand that this is inherently an emotional issue.
I mostly agree with the vid, mainstream websites jump on social issues and ride them for profit. There are real Indigenous Issues that need to be addressed, like having actual Indigenous Government presiding over Indigenous affairs, lack of access to proper healthcare infrastructure and education etc.
The thing about Australia Day as we have it now, is that it makes my nan, amongst a lot of people’s parents and grandparents (I’m only 21), remember and reflect on these issues.
It’s becoming a whole media storm now, but I’ve been going to invasion day ceremonies since I was 8. People have always wanted to change the date. This isn’t an issue that can be explained logically, people know that 2018 Jan 16 is not Jan 16 1788. But it feels like it, and the country cheers. It’s an emotional response, it’s not infallible but it happens regardless of logic.
I mean y’all can be cool with the date, I just personally feel like my nan would be happier celebrating it on the day the referendum was passed that allowed Indigenous peoples to be counted in the census, a day where all Australians were considered citizens of 1 nation. 27th May.
No one gives a fuck about your nan or if you choose to waste your time going to rallies.
I mean have you not seen how much things have improved for aboriginal people since this date? Look at life span, education, technology. Easy to only focus on the negatives for some
I died when u said Fuck off Surry hills and ultimo hahahahha
TBH i don't celebrate it because I'm working to help set myself up for the rest of my life.
A round of applause to you sir
Jordie if Triple J say anything even remotely negative about the LNP the ABC will just get another round of "totally not punative" budget cuts.
do a video on gay marriage!
Smug Hipster that's gay
Um, well, all i can be is myself!
not much to say
Smug Hipster there is nothing to speak about. Its a dead topic
He did one on the plebiscite, already.
help i've fallen into a pool full of reason and logic