If you look at the map you will see logistics plays a role in the decision also. It's a straight shot south from Irbit to the Kazak border. It will take many truck loads to move manufacturing - I logistical challenge for sure. Now, about the new assembly line workers????
Yeah. Just southeast of Irbit. Not quite sure how they will export frames to Kazakhstan… we will need to wait and see how it works out. Good to see that there is a rail line in the new location too. To bad for the workers that will be laid off.
just remembered a video of the Irbit factory in Russia. showing a really old Russian man who has been hammering /welding the side car for 50 years, guess he will be put out to pasture.
Just a little trivia question (with the answer. “Do you know how long it takes to replace a Technician with 50 years of experience?” Answer; 50 years.....
@@Uraljunkie as we know its all about the money, and Ural corp doesn't have much i would assume. as a happy owner for years i know that Urals are admired, interesting etc to many people, but few will lay out the big bucks to buy a slow, clunky niche motorcycle. sorry to say i really think this is Urals swan song, sadly.
think unfortunitly the late models will be best quality. dont think i would want a Kazakhstan Ural, have to wait and see how the quality will be. the old saying 2 steps forword and 3 steps backward ,comes to mind. Ilya took the poor quality prior to 2006 to a very good reliable machine. he will now have to make Ural Great Again Again. sound familiar. not to confident that that can be done in Kazakhstan. Oh ,but there is hope just look at the longest production motorcycle the Royal Enfield made now in a modern plant in India.
I am hoping it is temporary until they can find a permanent home that makes sense. Survival is the key right now, and like you say the quality. Not sure that I would buy a $20k motorcycle made in Kazakhstan either.
My sons followed my career path in the trades, and because we discussed it thousands of times over the years over the dinner table, they are some of the absolute best at what they do, and it’s because of shared love & knowledge of what they do. Move a manufacturing facility, or any (niche) business, and you will loose all of that accumulated knowledge. I’ve seen it happen. I’m glad URAL will continue, because mine (2016 Gear Up Ambassador) is my daily driver, but now I’m concerned how long it will be before we are “Left to our own devises”, to keep them on the road/trails. 😢
@@Uraljunkie About quality, it is not said that the quality will be not soo good. There is made a lot of junk made in China but also the iPhones are made in China....... It will all depend on how Ural will do the quality check....
@@peglegjim3124 agree, the folks that own Ural in Washington dont have the assets i think to pull this off, sorry to say this might be the end of the brand. sad,sad!!!
Kazakhstan isn’t too far from Irbit and they will get around sanctions while still selling in western countries. IMZ export market is the major money maker for the company.
The decision to transfer production from Irbit the Sverdlovsk region was made due to a shortage of components that were sanctioned, as well as due to a ban on the import of equipment from Russia. Most Ural motorcycles go to Western countries, including the USA. The new Ural Motorcycles assembly site is organized in Petropavlovsk, Kazakhstan, which is located 600 km from Irbit (Sverdlovsk region), where the equipment was previously produced. At the same time, work will continue at the Irbit Motorcycle Factory (IMZ) itself: frames and body elements for motorcycles will be manufactured there. (Think about this. The USSR, like other socialist republics, has always lived under trade embargoes initiated by Western imperialists. The USSR has been ruined for a long time, it does not exist. Simply put, my whole country is the endless slums and ruins of Detroit. Starting from the end of the borders of the Moscow region.. But the sanctions of the Western imperialists do not stop. Because we have grown our national capital on petrodollars. Think carefully .And read Lenin's work - Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism.)When capitalists don't rally against communists. They begin to devour weaker capitalists. Should it make me feel better? As a person who lives by selling only his ability to work?Of course not. I hate captilism, for its parasitic and disfiguring humanity attitude.
One thing is for certain, the situation is more complicated than I know. My information is very limited and that is why I speculated. As far as governments, there is only one ideal one that I can think of and that is an isolated village that is self sufficient, has a common belief, locally chosen leaders and no monetary system. Once you add another village into the system it starts to break down due to loyalties of the villagers to each of the villages. Expand that out to the size of a country, and it becomes chaotic. Until borders are eliminated and we start ruling as a planet, there will always be conflicts, wars, imperialism, and injustice. Mankind is a difficult species to try and get cooperation from. It is just life as we know it. Fair? I don't think so. However dire the circumstances seem, however, it could be worse.
@@Uraljunkie Old man, your knowledge is really limited. No offense.But you think like I did when I was a kid. It is not for nothing that I refer to the practitioner of the revolution and the philosopher Lenin.There is probably something fundamental if the socialist revolution in Russia has improved the situation of workers around the globe. There is even empirical data. Don't be offended, old man, you're not the only one. It's just that philosophy and history in the west are taught according to the same patterns, and in the east there is an alternative experience and practice of spreading socialism. But they are already being emasculated by the capitalists who seized power in Russia. The Urals were made by Soviet people from a socialist country. There's probably something worth paying attention to.The first artificial satellite of the earth . The first human flight into space 15 years after the bloody war . Claimed 25 million lives ? Before Moscow, the whole country, starting with Ukraine, lay in ruins. The first automated (unmanned) flight of the Buran shuttle. Just think about it.
@@Googlag On that, my friend, I completely agree. I am a physicist, not a politician. I have a nice commemorative model of Sputnik from the USSR that I have had since it was launched. And yes, the USSR should be proud of the advancements it made in the race for space.
@@Uraljunkie The race is a product exclusively of Western capitalists. Education in physics has not saved you from propaganda and memorizing newspaper cliches . The USSR was ahead of the West not because of (the race), but because it introduced people's state management systems and knowledge-intensive processes to the service of the people. In order to show the effectiveness of the socialist education system and the economy.Over capitalist systems .And by the way, socialists have recognized the contribution of capitalism to the development of the world, but have always pointed out its most obvious problems.Which are not allowed under this system. Is it possible to fly into space without education and economy? (-I am not a politician.) erroneous statement. Every person involved in public life means every person is a politician to some extent.The only question is the consciousness and reasonableness of the masses.
Thanks for telling what you believe is the truth. I appreciate your honesty
Always!
Thanks for the update , interesting times, I hope Ural can survive.
Yeah… me too.
thanks for the heads up on the future of Ural. ill have to get a map out....haven't got a clue where this Kaza what ever is !
Within minutes of watching that announcement, I came to the very same conclusion, and it breaks my heart.
Yes… so sad. I feel bad for the workers at Irbit that will be let go as well.
If you look at the map you will see logistics plays a role in the decision also. It's a straight shot south from Irbit to the Kazak border. It will take many truck loads to move manufacturing - I logistical challenge for sure. Now, about the new assembly line workers????
speaking of logistics...how do you get finished product out of a land locked country that makes financial sense?
Yeah. Just southeast of Irbit. Not quite sure how they will export frames to Kazakhstan… we will need to wait and see how it works out. Good to see that there is a rail line in the new location too. To bad for the workers that will be laid off.
just remembered a video of the Irbit factory in Russia. showing a really old Russian man who has been hammering /welding the side car for 50 years, guess he will be put out to pasture.
Yeah… small town like Irbit… I’ll bet families have worked at the factory for generations. Such a shame.
Just a little trivia question (with the answer.
“Do you know how long it takes to replace a Technician with 50 years of experience?”
Answer;
50 years.....
@@Uraljunkie as we know its all about the money, and Ural corp doesn't have much i would assume. as a happy owner for years i know that Urals are admired, interesting etc to many people, but few will lay out the big bucks to buy a slow, clunky niche motorcycle. sorry to say i really think this is Urals swan song, sadly.
@@peglegjim3124 As a laid off worker after 40 years and unable to find a job due to age, I can relate to that.
@@frankdillon6127 I truly hope not.
what the!!.....too bad they dont move a shop in the U.S....what about quality? will it go down?
That would have been nice - Made in Seattle! Time will tell on the quality.
The Ural survived WW2. time will tell but I have a feeling it will survive this one.
I am hoping it will survive…
There were factories in different parts of the USSR - Dnepr 650s were made in the Ukraine.
think unfortunitly the late models will be best quality. dont think i would want a Kazakhstan Ural, have to wait and see how the quality will be. the old saying 2 steps forword and 3 steps backward ,comes to mind. Ilya took the poor quality prior to 2006 to a very good reliable machine. he will now have to make Ural Great Again Again. sound familiar. not to confident that that can be done in Kazakhstan. Oh ,but there is hope just look at the longest production motorcycle the Royal Enfield made now in a modern plant in India.
I am hoping it is temporary until they can find a permanent home that makes sense. Survival is the key right now, and like you say the quality. Not sure that I would buy a $20k motorcycle made in Kazakhstan either.
My sons followed my career path in the trades, and because we discussed it thousands of times over the years over the dinner table, they are some of the absolute best at what they do, and it’s because of shared love & knowledge of what they do.
Move a manufacturing facility, or any (niche) business, and you will loose all of that accumulated knowledge. I’ve seen it happen.
I’m glad URAL will continue, because mine (2016 Gear Up Ambassador) is my daily driver, but now I’m concerned how long it will be before we are “Left to our own devises”, to keep them on the road/trails. 😢
@@Uraljunkie About quality, it is not said that the quality will be not soo good. There is made a lot of junk made in China but also the iPhones are made in China....... It will all depend on how Ural will do the quality check....
@@peglegjim3124 agree, the folks that own Ural in Washington dont have the assets i think to pull this off, sorry to say this might be the end of the brand. sad,sad!!!
@@anitakeers I totally agree with you, Jo.
Kazakhstan isn’t too far from Irbit and they will get around sanctions while still selling in western countries. IMZ export market is the major money maker for the company.
i have 2016 ural ranger irbit built one of the last politics does suck keep it out of motorcycles
Wonder why they didn’t pick Serbia? Start fresh
A NATO friendly state…
@@Uraljunkie FYI, we are not NATO friendly. Serbia was heavily bombarded by NATO in 1999 for 78 days / 24h. Regards from Serbia :)
@@petarpetar8458 Sorry to hear that you were bombarded by NATO. I did not know that. That’s bad. Glad that you made it.
The decision to transfer production from Irbit the Sverdlovsk region was made due to a shortage of components that were sanctioned, as well as due to a ban on the import of equipment from Russia. Most Ural motorcycles go to Western countries, including the USA. The new Ural Motorcycles assembly site is organized in Petropavlovsk, Kazakhstan, which is located 600 km from Irbit (Sverdlovsk region), where the equipment was previously produced. At the same time, work will continue at the Irbit Motorcycle Factory (IMZ) itself: frames and body elements for motorcycles will be manufactured there. (Think about this. The USSR, like other socialist republics, has always lived under trade embargoes initiated by Western imperialists. The USSR has been ruined for a long time, it does not exist. Simply put, my whole country is the endless slums and ruins of Detroit. Starting from the end of the borders of the Moscow region.. But the sanctions of the Western imperialists do not stop. Because we have grown our national capital on petrodollars. Think carefully .And read Lenin's work - Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism.)When capitalists don't rally against communists. They begin to devour weaker capitalists. Should it make me feel better? As a person who lives by selling only his ability to work?Of course not. I hate captilism, for its parasitic and disfiguring humanity attitude.
One thing is for certain, the situation is more complicated than I know. My information is very limited and that is why I speculated.
As far as governments, there is only one ideal one that I can think of and that is an isolated village that is self sufficient, has a common belief, locally chosen leaders and no monetary system. Once you add another village into the system it starts to break down due to loyalties of the villagers to each of the villages. Expand that out to the size of a country, and it becomes chaotic.
Until borders are eliminated and we start ruling as a planet, there will always be conflicts, wars, imperialism, and injustice.
Mankind is a difficult species to try and get cooperation from. It is just life as we know it.
Fair? I don't think so.
However dire the circumstances seem, however, it could be worse.
@@Uraljunkie Old man, your knowledge is really limited. No offense.But you think like I did when I was a kid. It is not for nothing that I refer to the practitioner of the revolution and the philosopher Lenin.There is probably something fundamental if the socialist revolution in Russia has improved the situation of workers around the globe. There is even empirical data. Don't be offended, old man, you're not the only one. It's just that philosophy and history in the west are taught according to the same patterns, and in the east there is an alternative experience and practice of spreading socialism. But they are already being emasculated by the capitalists who seized power in Russia. The Urals were made by Soviet people from a socialist country. There's probably something worth paying attention to.The first artificial satellite of the earth . The first human flight into space 15 years after the bloody war . Claimed 25 million lives ? Before Moscow, the whole country, starting with Ukraine, lay in ruins. The first automated (unmanned) flight of the Buran shuttle. Just think about it.
@@Googlag On that, my friend, I completely agree. I am a physicist, not a politician. I have a nice commemorative model of Sputnik from the USSR that I have had since it was launched. And yes, the USSR should be proud of the advancements it made in the race for space.
@@Uraljunkie The race is a product exclusively of Western capitalists. Education in physics has not saved you from propaganda and memorizing newspaper cliches . The USSR was ahead of the West not because of (the race), but because it introduced people's state management systems and knowledge-intensive processes to the service of the people. In order to show the effectiveness of the socialist education system and the economy.Over capitalist systems .And by the way, socialists have recognized the contribution of capitalism to the development of the world, but have always pointed out its most obvious problems.Which are not allowed under this system. Is it possible to fly into space without education and economy? (-I am not a politician.) erroneous statement. Every person involved in public life means every person is a politician to some extent.The only question is the consciousness and reasonableness of the masses.