That's not how warp drive works. The nacelles create a bubble of distorted spacetime around the ship, which then accelerates at faster-than-light speeds. This bubble can be manipulated for various purposes, like pushing a non-warp-capable ship. While the Janeway class does look flimsy, it technically doesn't violate the physics of warp travel.
One thing I like about TMP era designs is that there are little hints to scale: docking ports that you know are 1.8 meters in height. Windows that show an interior space. Open bay doors that have smaller craft and items that can come and go from within the ship. This ship has none of that. There is no indicator of scale. It might as well be a drone or a probe.
okay so actually the only thing I can see to indicate scale is at about 1:33 we see what I *assume* is supposed to be a hangar door? If that's really a shuttlebay and UFP shuttle sizes haven't changed that much (probably true since from ENT to Nemesis we don't see that big of a variance in support craft size), this thing is like practically Sovereign sized. I'd guess between 550 and 700 meters. edit: wait is that another shuttlebay at 1:08? why's it like as tall as the entire secondary hull? What is going on here?
It actually makes sense in a lore perspective, since this Starfleet is obsessed with protecting itself after the Burn, so their design language reflects that by being mysterious, sleek and somewhat reminiscent of modern day stealth fighters.
I agree with the first comment. To be honest I grew up watching TNG. The Galaxy class was beautiful. I even liked the sovereign class. However for me personally nothing will beat the TMP era. The Constitution refit class is just gracious beyond everything else. I just have a feeling nowadays they just start throwing out ship designs just for the sake of it. They've lost individualism just like modern cars. Just personal opinions, no offense meant to anyone. Cheers! 🖖
while i like the overall shape of the saucer and lower hull sections , ill never be ok with the whole floating segments design flow just seems ridiculous to me even with programable matter handwavium
Over all it looks like an upgraded Voyager, but those engines seem like a liability. I suppose if one was going to blow it might be easier to get rid of it, but i agree with ya
Who on Earth wants to step onto a Starfleet murder pad everytime they have to go to engineering? What if something goes wrong with one of the Warp nacelles? How are they going to get over there to fix it? I believe that this quote sums this up perfectly "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
In fairness, it is the Janeway Class. Janeway class ships could be specifically designed to make things needlessly complicated and to maximize crew mortality. The only people who get assigned to this ship are people who seriously pissed off their professors at the academy.
@@matthewc1976 Yeah that's another thing. Seems real vulnerable to energy dampening weapons. It's all fun and games till you loose all power or encounter an anomaly and all of a sudden your pieces float away.
@@Shadowkey392 It may be a cool "futuristic" idea but I still don't get it. Does the crew constantly transport down to the lower deck? How much power does that eat up? Presumably the crew live in the lower decks, so how do senior officers get to their post in an emergency if they're constantly having to stop and use the transporter? I kinda get why the warp nacelles might be detached but not the saucer from the ship.
@@NateSean it is just really powerful magnets and programmable matter, so relative to the 32nd century power generation tech it likely does not eat up much power at all. And as for what it's good for, mass still applies in space, if you take a galaxy class and have it descend rapidly and then abruptly introduce enough thrust to near instantly have the ship go back up, areas of that ship are going to be put under alot of stress, namely the neck, pylons and nacelles, this stress would damage the hull and potentially tear the ship apart However take that new intrepid with the detached stuff and do the same thing, those stress points no longer exist, and as such the ship could safely perform maneuvers at speeds that would be unsafe on traditional starships, simply due to the flexibility of the connection points and the power of the magnets involved, that and even if they somehow split apart, there is no structure damage or anything like that, they just get close enough together and reset the magnetic field and boom problem solved. It also has some great tactical value as it removes the weak points of the neck and pylons, which on a galaxy class if severed would critically damage or strand the ship in place, but with no pylons to be severed, and no neck to be cut, the ship can not only evade weapons fire much easier but it is alot better at survivability with way less weak points
The stress points still exist, they are the points that generate the "magnetic " like coupling. In any case, the most fragile thing on a ship would be the people on board. If the inertial dampeners are working well enough to prevent the crew from being pancaked against the hull, they're working well enough to keep the ship in one piece.
It's based on the 32nd Century stuff out of the latest Discovery season. The 'detached nacelles' are apparently their new hotness. Why have nacells at all at that point? Must be trying to keep the design aesthetic, while trying to upgrade the concepts.
@@adamross2256 i am fully aware what it is based on, 32nd century tech design is crap, you don't need to show me that this is the future's future by making things floaty
@@frednars5721 it would be the other way around making it float requires more resources/components dedicated to ship systems that allow it to float cheaper would be attaching all the parts as they are also making the ship smaller too Janeway class seems to be quite the beefy ship at least from my point of view larger than its predecessor
It's actually 4 ships attached only by tractor beams and forcefields. One for the saucer, one for the secondary hull, and one each for the nacelles. This is also the sequel to the Prometheus class, with it's Vector Attack Mode! (/jk)
To my eyes, it still looks like the rendering of the model was about half-done when the computer crashed, and deadline dictated they had to just go with what was finished.
I'm more baffled by how they separated the saucer section and the stardrive section. The nacelles, not so much. Got used to seeing that. And at least, if they explode, they won't punch a hole in the ship's hull, being separated.
try go telling anyone that the locking in place effect from supper conductors and wireless charging don't exist and wont get any better in legit the next thousand years along with that as we found out in tng subspace drag is a thing, so taking out support structures that only cause more drag when a better alternative is available, considering those current techs we use and will use in today, it makes sence that they would be used like this in star trek
definately strange looking Starfleet ship looks like it may be using slipstream drive and definately advanced tech, definately intresting would love to see the breakdown of this ship.
This is probably the only 32nd design (apart from Discovery refit) that I've liked. In saying that..Looks like they flipped and rotated two pyramids, making the secondary hull a fancy bottle opener.
Really don't like the whole detached engines/saucer idea, makes the ship look lousy in my opinion here not to mention that it really doesn't make sense to me here how the whole thing stays together during flight and combat maneuvers plus one well placed torpedo detonation in the right spot and this thing could go up like the Hindenberg. Those are my thoughts anyway.
if you look at current wireless charging, it makes sense that in a thousand years that would at the very least expand the distance to a couple of meters, and I'm pretty sure its a combination of programable matter and magnetic fields, but mainly the matter
No, the ships components are actually connected via programmable matter and insanely powerful magnetism, they're set up like that so the ship can perform much more sharp and fast maneuvers and speed changes without the risk of the strain tearing off a nacelle or something
@@adambrown6669 but if you’re crashing and those magnetic systems are gone because crash would all the individual parts not fly off? Physics is still a thing lol
@@rickvanboberson judging by how Discovery's nacelle stayed on after having an explosion go off in the nacelle, tossing the ship out of warp, an act during which said ships nacelle was flailing around, I'd say the magnets are good enough to keep it intact, that being said if a crash is bad enough to destroy the magnets, chances are a pylon won't hold up any better lol
@@adambrown6669 voyager went flying out of quantum slip stream at significantly faster speed and slammed in to an ice planet and its nacelles and pylons stayed attached even after a violent nacelle impact. So I think your theory is incorrect.
@@rickvanboberson How often do you think the designers would consider the ship violently crashing into a planet? Also, if it were simply a fail safe system I'd want pieces to fly off, conservation of momentum is still a thing, also the nacelles won't irradiate the aria where the ship landed.
@@weremus8639 you need both the warp engine, and the nacelles to go anywhere. The engine gives the power, the nacelles give the bubble to be able to move. You can't go anywhere if you have only one. Warp engine is like a car engine. The nacelles are like the wheels. Yeah sure you can get the car engine going, but if you don't have any wheels you can't go anywhere. Same being said other way around. Take out the engine of the car, and you may have the wheels, but it won't move anywhere.
I still can't understand what could be the design and technical logic of having detached parts held together by energy fields. There are no aerodynamic issues that are relevant and it seems like a waste of energy. Needs site-to-site transport to move between sections, which I think causes more problems and risks than it solves. Star Trek isn't only about making things look cool, or at least it shouldn't be. smh
Did you saw season 3 of ST:Discovery? Apart from this desing doesnt make any sense they have personal transports so it eliminates need to have things atached and need for turbolifts
Everyone in the age this ship exists has personal transporters so that’s not an issue. Transporters have existed in Star Trek for hundreds of years and nothing else was ever done with the technology, no advances? That makes no sense so what they’ve done is push the tech. As far as detached nacelles, nacelles aren’t real, none of this tech is real by our standard so I don’t see any rationale for “this can’t exist”. Detach nacelles are held by magnetic and gravimetric energy and less hull space is less of a power draw. We have no idea of the energy out out of this ships warp core or how many cores it has even. There could be a drive just to supply the nacelle energy needs. I think down the line we will get tech manuals that explain it all. The first episode of Star Trek we didn’t know what a warp drive was and people said this can’t be real but today they are working on actual faster than light drive engine concepts. If something can be imagined, it can be created
There was a Star Trek Enterprise episode of the crew finding a future 'pod' ship with more space inside then physically possible. It could be that sort of setup. Interdimensional turbolifts?
Solid pylons were already reinforced by the Structural Integrity Field. So this is an evolution of that, minus the metal. It makes sense because warp fields already were passing through spaces around the ship (between nacelles, through Vulcan and Romulan ships.) So the idea that deleting pylons could improve on that would also make sense.
This is a very interesting design for a ship’s evolution. Even though it’s much more simplified it still has the feel of voyager. I find the detached sections to be an interesting idea. This could give the shit greater modularity when it comes to future upgrades to the primary hull, secondary hull, and warp nacelles. It could also have slightly similar functions to Book’s ship in that it could reconfigure itself. With the primary and secondary hulls separated, this could make for easier saucer separation. I dunno, just some ideas for the why. As to how they get from place to place in the ship, they do have personal transporters. Though I’m sure the ship can reconnect itself if needed as programable matter is something that is used in this future era. This is by far not the worst ship design I’ve ever seen as I’ll leave that to the refit JJ enterprise at the beginning of Star Trek beyond. Was not a fan of how sickly that ship looked.
I guess it's not too far out of left field for this kind of design. It's a 32nd century ship from season 03 of Discovery. We can already kind of do this with magnets and liquid nitrogen. I imagine a room temp semiconductor and some sort of quantum locking would be needed in the future. Not personally a fan of the design, but I can't blame that on Cryptic, this time. *edit* Now I can't stop thinking about superpositioning and quantum locked anchors.... the sci-fi geek in me squeed.
@@Nanarchy_2k7 True enough, but at least some of cryptic’s newer designs on STO are better than the ones they started with at the beginning of the game. Can’t stand not seeing federation star ships without proper phaser beam strips.
When I first saw it I was like "oh yeah kool ship" But after learning thst EVERY PART of the ship is just.... Holding hope to be close to the other part.... Nah man...... But props to you for ALWAYS getting the NEW ships to show off! What's your secret huh, you can tell me, lol
Firstly, and as always, great work on the video. Now that I got that out of the way... Oh snap! I can create the U.S.S. Handy Vac! It'll double as my key fob as well! Sweet! Another meh ship from KurtzTrek.
Can't say that I'm a fan of this one. What are they going to do if/when critical systems fail and one or both of their warp nacelles or any other free floating parts go flying off into the void?
@@Capt_Dango There's no science in existence that says splitting parts of something makes a stronger something. This is fantasy. This is Starwars style conceptual thinking. Startrek always has had a somewhat explanatory position when it came to it's technology. This is a magic adhesive that would draw immense power just keeping everything structurally intact.
@@TheBlackB0X its called science fiction not science reality. Even star trek is only fiction and nothing really exists that would make something like that nearly possible.
@@TheBlackB0X the original series had no technical manuals or explanations for any of its science when it came out, that came later. Anything that can be imagined, can be explained, that’s always how Trek has been since I started watching it in reruns in the seventies. Detached hulls put less stress on the engine to move less mass. For all we know the nacelles could have their own power source in each one powering the nacelle and shielding for it 🤷🏾 we won’t know until someone comes up with tech specs
I'm still wandering how the primary hull, secondary hull, and nacelles fly together when they're not attached and how the @%#$ do you get from the primary hull to the secondary hull
I would suspect they are held together by magnetic force. Getting from one part of the ship to another would be rather simple really. They have personal transporters in the 32nd century but there's also the possibility that the turbolifts have built-in transporters to transport to the unattached portions of the ship.
@@shaynajewell8225 the issue is that transporters can be jammed taken offline etc , you would need a physical connection turbolift , jefferies tube ETC to access them in a emergency situation which we see in trek all the time , its a dumb design element IMO due to that
Simple, step onto a Starfleet Murder Pad, be disintegrated and compiled down into a data stream and beamed to another Starfleet Murder Pad. Also hope and pray that you aren't split into two different personalities, end up as a gelatinous blob, end up in space, become one with a bulk head or start seeing things due to transporter sickness. Other than that, I'm sure that nothing will go wrong at all.
On the show I was not a big fan of any of the 32nd designs but as always Zef does another amazing job and makes me like the design more then I originally did. Thanks again Zef for the great video!
@@David_B_Dornburg a high-end horse carriage from 900 years ago was the absolute pinnacle of personal transporation. A Ferrari 599, or even a common car like a Toyota RAV4, is a common form of personal transportation today. It's about comparing what role it's filling, we use cars to go from place to place, a carriage did the same a long time ago before cars or trains or planes. An excelsior class was a common Starfleet ship in 2366, and it's easy to see how different it is from a space shuttle, and why it would also be so different from a ship even just a few hundred years ahead of it. The fact that the Voyager J looks so typically Starfleet in it's design 700 years after VOY is more hard to believe than the USS Nog looking drastically different than the USS Enterprise D
@@wolfstriker3992 no it did not it was the other fleet from nivar that did the voyager was seen firing at the discovery and then agian later in formation as the discovery returned to starfleet hq the emerald chain was right outside of starfllet/federation hq cloaking bubble field
No real need for it to attach at warp, since the ship isn't really moving, just the space around it is. I'd be more worried about trying to navigate at impulse.
This design is... well, put it this way. If I submitted this as a class project model back when I took a course on 3D Studio Max in 2002, my instructor would have laughed me out of the room and gave me D or F grade. Not knocking STO devs, this is not their fault, but NuTrek production people should be ashamed of themselves for this joke of a design.
its not a joke, try go telling anyone that the locking in place effect from supper conductors and wireless charging don't exist and wont get any better in legit the next thousand years
So I'm curious does each nacelle have it's own engine room? How does that work exactly with getting the matter/antimatter flowing into each nacelle to go to warp?
the matter/antimatter reaction is kept in the warp core, it's the electro-plasma that would power it. and if I had to hazard a guess, portals yo. Orange from the warp core power output and blue to each nacelle. lol
We can already transfer energy wirelessly today, I charge my phone this way, nothing to say they can't do that by the 32nd century for sure. Besides the matter/antimatter reaction is in the warp core. In real world "theoretical physics." Warp drive is the creation of a warp bubble around the object that you wish to "propel." ( I use the word propel as I'll be Ignoring for a second that the principle relies on space as being the thing that moves not the ship.) This bubble engulfs all the sections of the ship the nassels are just big field generators not actually engines in the conventional sense of thrust like a rocket or jet engine so do not require any fuel. That's why they talk about warp coils as it's suggested in star trek that they use some sort of coil and plasma system, not disimilar to a transformer to create a "field" around the ship. We have seen it in Star Trek before when they extend a warp bubble around another ship (NX-01 and NX-02 for example) and carry it with them. Remember technically the ship isn't moving, space is. The field just protects the ship from the contraction (In front) and expansion (behind) of space time. Technically - if you can power them - the nassel don't have to be attached to the ship at all, and in fact there would be many advantages to not having them fixed to the ship such as reducing the inertia exerted on the main hull during sub light speed manoeuvres etc. Just one, but there are many. It makes sense to me that by that time period they would do this. Besides, with reprogrammable matter they could reattach them and detach them at will....
Janeway Class - ah so it has no navigation systems Detached nacelles - wtf? Detached 'saucer' - okay now it's just stupid It comes from Discovery - Ohhhh, okay now everything makes sense. Burn it with fire.
Me: Infinite warp bubble shapes. Variable warp geometry while at warp to compensate for sub-space conditions. Imagine the power conservation, imagine the optimum warp constant. I imagine that there would be hundreds of built-in redundancy systems working in synchronisity 600 years into the future. And even if power failed, it's not like the nacelles would go anywhere due to inertia. Idiots: The back looks like a bottle opener! Just aim for the pylon energy generator! If it lost power all the bits would just float away!
Power conservation? It'd take more power to keep the ship held together than it otherwise would. There's no real significant advantage to this and more points of failure. Calm down, Einstein.
@@mechanomics2649 I've just told you the advantage. Infinite warp bubles to adapt to any situation. And how much power does a tractor beam use? Considerably less than a Warp Drive, that's for certain. Hell, the warp core effeciency would save so much power that the tractor beam/programmable connection from the secondary hull to the nacelles would probably pay for themselves a thousand fold.
This is the only ship that has a chance to fight that gigantic Star Trek Reaper we saw in Picard. Let’s us pray that the 32nd Century Star fleet can travel back in time to FIGHT the coming darkness
This is by far the best rendering of the Voyager J that I have seen, Even better than what we saw on Discovery season 3 - kudos! I love the Voyager and I think this is a good redesign overall, except for that darn bottle opener.!
Great work from ZEFilms as always! Still not a fan of the ship though ^_^; Hate to be that guy that has to report to the engineering section from the saucer section XD And yes, I am on the boat on what happens to the ship when power is offline hahaha
How do people move from one section of the ship to the other? Would they have to transport? And in order to do that, I'd assume they'd have to be able to transport at warp too..
Transporting at warp was already possibly by the 24th century, and it just required syncing warp speeds and such, and each section would obviously be travelling at the same speed. Plus 32nd century transporters are probably better than old ones
@@Sasha-sj4xe Still, it would mean the ship would need to be powered all the time in order for the crew to transport to the different parts of the ship, since not all the parts are physically connected. What would happen if they lost power? And without power, the different parts of the ship could potentially start to drift apart, too. It doesn't really seem like the best design decision.
@@jadetraveler The badges probably have individual transporters in them, and given that it's the 32nd century they probably have tons of backups for if main power goes down
What is holding it all together?? I'm all for Awesome designs but I also like them to still make visually "solid" sense. In short this one does not make the cut in my book.
I actually thought it was a neat evolution, both of Voyager's rotating pylons, and Star Trek design in general. As for what is holding it together, you are making that argument on a computer, over the internet for all to see. Try telling someone from 900 years ago how that works.
@@josephbryant8799 It is purely subjective at this point being science fiction, I just don't care for this particular type, I feel that it borders more on the fiction than the science in my opinion. As a note of reference , even the Enterprise J was one solid ship. But I digress, each to their own.
@@jadintenax226 This thing is over 700 years more advanced than the J, saying this ship should look more like it is like saying a modern US Navy destroyer should look more like a 15th century Portuguese Caravel.
@@Nanarchy_2k7 ye i was thinking that too. But when i saw video i realised that whole ship is levetating from part there is no conection with progammed matter like in move... I mean do people need to tp always when then need to move from one part of ship to another... I like the idea of ship been able to change config but to always be in levetaded state, nah...
I actually like this ship. It also actually has a helpful design feature. It has its bridge deep in tge very middle unexposed instead of the traditional at the top and exposed. Leaving it bridge more protected than the ones on most other ships.
Voyager and Janeway polarized the community back in the days of the original Show and still continue to do so in 2021 ^^ ... At least it stays true to its controversial nature xD
There's a few things I would like to know about this ship design. How is it you can have 4 separate ship parts moving through space at warp. It just makes me think that when the ship goes to warp, only the nacelles would move forward while the rest of the ship stays behind. Also, what is powering the warp nacelles? Does each one have their own miniature warp core or something? The warp core can't be located within the ship due to the fact that there's nothing connecting the warp nacelles to the rest of the ship.
In real world "theoretical physics." Warp drive is the creation of a warp bubble around the object that you wish to "propel." ( I use the word propel as I'll be Ignoring for a second that the principle relies on space as being the thing that moves not the ship.) This bubble engulfs all the sections of the ship the nassels are just big field generators not actually engines in the conventional sense of thrust like a rocket or jet engine. That's why they talk about warp coils as it's suggested in star trek that they use some sort of coil and plasma system, not disimilar to a transformer to create a "field" around the ship. We have seen it in Star Trek before when they extend a warp bubble around another ship (NX-01 and NX-02 for example) and carry it with them. Remember technically the ship isn't moving, space is. The field just protects the ship from the contraction (In front) and expansion (behind) of space time. Technically - if you can power them - the nassel don't have to be attached to the ship at all, and in fact there would be many advantages to not having them fixed to the ship such as reducing the inertia exerted on the main hull during sub light speed manoeuvres etc. Just one, but there are many. It makes sense to me that by that time period they would do this. Besides, with reprogrammable matter they could reattach them and detach them at will....
Just how big is this ship supposed to be? Given that if you look closely you can see that each of the "rows of windows" visible on the model actually have two rows of windows each, not just one. This means that each of those narrow strips are two decks tall and moreover, it implies that there must be at least 8 to 9 decks between each of those strips without any windows at all. This suggests that the overall ship length would have to be FAR larger than the 500 to 700 meters that some people have speculated, in fact, probably much closer to 2100 to 2800 meters (assuming a minimum 3m deck height and possibly allowing for as much as an additional 2m between decks, making each of those strips between 6 to 8 meters tall). This however would seem to contradict the on-screen evidence, given that the Voyager-J doesn't appear to be anywhere near that big relative to the Discovery.
I really dislike the ST:D designs of ships, especially the 31st-century ships, they're just too nonsensical and way too sci-fi for even Start Trek for a distant future Federation ship, there are just too many issues with the designs. But I'll hand it to you Zef, you know how to make an awful ship look pretty cool for a short period. Love the work you put into all this!
Great video as usual. That's a super radical design, but keep in mind the production designers had to come up with something that looks like 1000 years in the future from the perspective of the 22nd century. In that sense it's actually not as radical as it could be. It certainly looks cool! But yeah, it also takes some getting used to.
I want to smooth out her lines so bad but I think I like that. The fact that it doesn’t conform to old patterns of the way federation ships look. I’ve wanted new ships for so long, an aesthetic can’t last forever, the two nacelles and a saucer way of doing things has to die at some point and I’m okay with that
Well the cool thing about this ship is that the saucer and two nacelles thing remains but it still looks super radical. Personally though I liked the Dauntless more. That of course wasn't even a real Federation ship in canon!
sure I'm going to catch hell for this . But how do you get from one section to another if they aren't connected? and what happens if some kind of explosion happens between these floating sections???
Once again, great work from ZEFilms Productons. You just wish that the creators of Discovery and Picard would allow for beauty passes and give a bit more love to ship design. I genuinely believe it's not in Alex Kurtzman's 'M.O' with Star Trek - he's actively contradicting visual continuity and so I feel like Discovery and even Picard are very much a 'soft reboot' of our beloved franchise. 55 years of rich universe-building and one production team can wipe it all away.
Captain: "Engage"
Viewscreen: Two nacelles zoom off at warp 8.3
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That's not how warp drive works. The nacelles create a bubble of distorted spacetime around the ship, which then accelerates at faster-than-light speeds. This bubble can be manipulated for various purposes, like pushing a non-warp-capable ship. While the Janeway class does look flimsy, it technically doesn't violate the physics of warp travel.
@@optillian4182 you really put a lot of thought into that...
It’s only a mater of time before that happens!
Eaglemoss Designer: "instant panic" 😂😂
They use transparent parts to hold the detach sections in place. I'm sure of it.
@@CaptRicoSakara it was just a joke 😋 I'm sure these guys will find a good way to make it 😊👍
@@JFrediK They already are, they are planning a future release of the 32nd version of the Crossfield Class aka the Discovery
@@Salacnar The Discovery-A is easy though because we've seen the nacelles reattach to the pylons.
Lmfao... I wonder if the guys at Cryptic did it as a joke
imagine them moving on impulse and then they notice they left the nacelles somewhere halfway back lol
Thats Impossible tbh, programmable matter is keeping the starship/Nacelles/saucer together despite being Disattached
@@ken..4492 What if the program does a /dev/null?
One thing I like about TMP era designs is that there are little hints to scale: docking ports that you know are 1.8 meters in height. Windows that show an interior space. Open bay doors that have smaller craft and items that can come and go from within the ship. This ship has none of that. There is no indicator of scale. It might as well be a drone or a probe.
okay so actually the only thing I can see to indicate scale is at about 1:33 we see what I *assume* is supposed to be a hangar door? If that's really a shuttlebay and UFP shuttle sizes haven't changed that much (probably true since from ENT to Nemesis we don't see that big of a variance in support craft size), this thing is like practically Sovereign sized. I'd guess between 550 and 700 meters.
edit: wait is that another shuttlebay at 1:08? why's it like as tall as the entire secondary hull? What is going on here?
It actually makes sense in a lore perspective, since this Starfleet is obsessed with protecting itself after the Burn, so their design language reflects that by being mysterious, sleek and somewhat reminiscent of modern day stealth fighters.
I agree with the first comment. To be honest I grew up watching TNG. The Galaxy class was beautiful. I even liked the sovereign class. However for me personally nothing will beat the TMP era. The Constitution refit class is just gracious beyond everything else. I just have a feeling nowadays they just start throwing out ship designs just for the sake of it. They've lost individualism just like modern cars. Just personal opinions, no offense meant to anyone. Cheers! 🖖
while i like the overall shape of the saucer and lower hull sections , ill never be ok with the whole floating segments design flow just seems ridiculous to me even with programable matter handwavium
Over all it looks like an upgraded Voyager, but those engines seem like a liability. I suppose if one was going to blow it might be easier to get rid of it, but i agree with ya
Who on Earth wants to step onto a Starfleet murder pad everytime they have to go to engineering? What if something goes wrong with one of the Warp nacelles? How are they going to get over there to fix it? I believe that this quote sums this up perfectly "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
That's the argument I keep making. Transporter jammers renders this design style useless.
In fairness, it is the Janeway Class. Janeway class ships could be specifically designed to make things needlessly complicated and to maximize crew mortality. The only people who get assigned to this ship are people who seriously pissed off their professors at the academy.
Umm also what's the deal with getting the energy out from the eng Hull to the nacelles....do they beam that across too? Not a great design tbh
@@matthewc1976 Yeah that's another thing. Seems real vulnerable to energy dampening weapons. It's all fun and games till you loose all power or encounter an anomaly and all of a sudden your pieces float away.
@@kamenwaticlients That'd be a real bitch. *Power goes out* "Captain! We just lost the ship!"
personally, I don't like the detached saucer design, it just feels too flimsy... but awesome work on the cinematic ZEFilms!
Same. Which isn’t to say I don’t GET it, it’s a cool, futuristic idea. I just don’t like it that much.
@@Shadowkey392 It may be a cool "futuristic" idea but I still don't get it. Does the crew constantly transport down to the lower deck? How much power does that eat up?
Presumably the crew live in the lower decks, so how do senior officers get to their post in an emergency if they're constantly having to stop and use the transporter?
I kinda get why the warp nacelles might be detached but not the saucer from the ship.
@@NateSean it is just really powerful magnets and programmable matter, so relative to the 32nd century power generation tech it likely does not eat up much power at all. And as for what it's good for, mass still applies in space, if you take a galaxy class and have it descend rapidly and then abruptly introduce enough thrust to near instantly have the ship go back up, areas of that ship are going to be put under alot of stress, namely the neck, pylons and nacelles, this stress would damage the hull and potentially tear the ship apart
However take that new intrepid with the detached stuff and do the same thing, those stress points no longer exist, and as such the ship could safely perform maneuvers at speeds that would be unsafe on traditional starships, simply due to the flexibility of the connection points and the power of the magnets involved, that and even if they somehow split apart, there is no structure damage or anything like that, they just get close enough together and reset the magnetic field and boom problem solved.
It also has some great tactical value as it removes the weak points of the neck and pylons, which on a galaxy class if severed would critically damage or strand the ship in place, but with no pylons to be severed, and no neck to be cut, the ship can not only evade weapons fire much easier but it is alot better at survivability with way less weak points
The stress points still exist, they are the points that generate the "magnetic " like coupling. In any case, the most fragile thing on a ship would be the people on board. If the inertial dampeners are working well enough to prevent the crew from being pancaked against the hull, they're working well enough to keep the ship in one piece.
@@NateSean Remember that people have personal transporters in this era. Power is not an issue.
A well made video showing off a ship that should never have left the page of the artist who designed its sketchbook.
I dunno what does it for me, the bottle opener on the second hull or the all floaty bits... this was a terrible idea completely
It's based on the 32nd Century stuff out of the latest Discovery season. The 'detached nacelles' are apparently their new hotness. Why have nacells at all at that point? Must be trying to keep the design aesthetic, while trying to upgrade the concepts.
Also, I now cannot unsee the bottle opener :P
@@adamross2256 i am fully aware what it is based on, 32nd century tech design is crap, you don't need to show me that this is the future's future by making things floaty
@@blackops2960 I've always thought its been minimized to hell due to a lack of resources like making it float is cheaper than connections
@@frednars5721 it would be the other way around making it float requires more resources/components dedicated to ship systems that allow it to float cheaper would be attaching all the parts as they are also making the ship smaller too Janeway class seems to be quite the beefy ship at least from my point of view larger than its predecessor
Someone in Starfleet Ship Design needs to be seriously court martialed!!!!
Agreed!
Honestly how did we go from Odyssey class to this 😳
Ah, Starfleet! An organization so advanced, their ships even function as bottle-openers!
Well we did have "Dorito" ships, lol.Why not enjoy a cold beer, doritos and an awesome bottle opener?
did the oktoberfest made its way all the way up to space or what?
"I was having a few beers. I couldn't be bothered moving so I used the release mechanism as a bottle opener."
I just thought it was designed to sell keychains. 😊
I like the idea that the Starfleet ships can now do the same thing as STO's Iconian ships with floating detached bits.
Why? It's idiotic. What do they run on? Magic?
So the secondary hull is not attach to the ship either? And how does it stay together when main power is out?
It's actually 4 ships attached only by tractor beams and forcefields. One for the saucer, one for the secondary hull, and one each for the nacelles. This is also the sequel to the Prometheus class, with it's Vector Attack Mode! (/jk)
Magnets.
Magic. Just like everything else in Discover
Through the sheer power of harnessed Janeway rage.
@@CardboardSliver So it runs on coffee...
To my eyes, it still looks like the rendering of the model was about half-done when the computer crashed, and deadline dictated they had to just go with what was finished.
As much as the detached look might have a cool high tech feel. It's highly unrealistic. It a massive liability just waiting to horribly wrong.
Agreed! Just wait till there is a loss of primary power, then all the detached sections will start drifting off into space!
I'm more baffled by how they separated the saucer section and the stardrive section. The nacelles, not so much. Got used to seeing that. And at least, if they explode, they won't punch a hole in the ship's hull, being separated.
try go telling anyone that the locking in place effect from supper conductors and wireless charging don't exist and wont get any better in legit the next thousand years
along with that as we found out in tng subspace drag is a thing, so taking out support structures that only cause more drag when a better alternative is available, considering those current techs we use and will use in today, it makes sence that they would be used like this in star trek
"when we designed the Janeway class we broke all the rules, Just like its namesake"
I can't wait to get mine once the Temporal Bureau of Power Creep is done with it
definately strange looking Starfleet ship looks like it may be using slipstream drive and definately advanced tech, definately intresting would love to see the breakdown of this ship.
It is a vessel from the 31st century, if I remember correctly.
@@Timberwolf69 32nd
@@sw-gs actually 31st is still accurate. The vessel was first built in the 31st century but Starfleet has been using it even into the 32nd.
They don't use slipstream drives, they made that clear
I have a question 🤔 how to get from the saucer section to the engineering department of the ship? It's open space
Beautiful animation, but this ship it It hurts my eyes. I men why the detacht warp necels why just why.
This is probably the only 32nd design (apart from Discovery refit) that I've liked. In saying that..Looks like they flipped and rotated two pyramids, making the secondary hull a fancy bottle opener.
Thirsty? let's pop one open and enjoy a cool one. We'll use this starship.
You like this? lmao! It's garbage.
what demo record are you using cause the one i have say that the files the demofiles i record now aren't valid can you help ZEfilms?
What's holding those warp drive nacelles there, The Force?
Really don't like the whole detached engines/saucer idea, makes the ship look lousy in my opinion here not to mention that it really doesn't make sense to me here how the whole thing stays together during flight and combat maneuvers plus one well placed torpedo detonation in the right spot and this thing could go up like the Hindenberg. Those are my thoughts anyway.
if you look at current wireless charging, it makes sense that in a thousand years that would at the very least expand the distance to a couple of meters, and I'm pretty sure its a combination of programable matter and magnetic fields, but mainly the matter
Man do I gotta go back and watch voyager!
of all the 32nd century designs, this one i dislike the least.
I don't like any of the 32nd designs. Way too many detached parts. makes no sense. How would you get to different parts w/o exiting the ship
@@MrShourin I mean you do have a transporter & the ship's made out of some tech that can shape it self, Or just a docking port too.
@@MrShourin at that period of time I think nothing is impossible lmao 😭✋🏻
@@DarrenHazel yeah. thats around 1000 years after tng. if you compare life today with life 1000 years ago, things have really changed
@@sangdang_twoo it’s like people from 1700s seeing a passenger jet airliner saying that’s impossible to build.
The secondary hull looks like a bottle opener.
I like the diamond saucer but the disconnected thing is just stupid.
I don't like it.
So if this thing crash landed do the nacelles, hull and saucer go flying off in different directions not being attached?
No, the ships components are actually connected via programmable matter and insanely powerful magnetism, they're set up like that so the ship can perform much more sharp and fast maneuvers and speed changes without the risk of the strain tearing off a nacelle or something
@@adambrown6669 but if you’re crashing and those magnetic systems are gone because crash would all the individual parts not fly off? Physics is still a thing lol
@@rickvanboberson judging by how Discovery's nacelle stayed on after having an explosion go off in the nacelle, tossing the ship out of warp, an act during which said ships nacelle was flailing around, I'd say the magnets are good enough to keep it intact, that being said if a crash is bad enough to destroy the magnets, chances are a pylon won't hold up any better lol
@@adambrown6669 voyager went flying out of quantum slip stream at significantly faster speed and slammed in to an ice planet and its nacelles and pylons stayed attached even after a violent nacelle impact. So I think your theory is incorrect.
@@rickvanboberson How often do you think the designers would consider the ship violently crashing into a planet? Also, if it were simply a fail safe system I'd want pieces to fly off, conservation of momentum is still a thing, also the nacelles won't irradiate the aria where the ship landed.
The flashing lights must be to keep the various floating pieces from hitting each other.
Imagine something failed and you need warp out immediately and instead ship only saurcers warps out
More likely will be the stardrive section as in both Starfleet designs that's where the warp core actually is
Thats not how warp works tho...
@@thegoose1005 Ye, but you need both engines on side to lose energy. How you think time buble expands and gets smaller at back?
@@weremus8639 you need both the warp engine, and the nacelles to go anywhere. The engine gives the power, the nacelles give the bubble to be able to move. You can't go anywhere if you have only one.
Warp engine is like a car engine. The nacelles are like the wheels. Yeah sure you can get the car engine going, but if you don't have any wheels you can't go anywhere. Same being said other way around. Take out the engine of the car, and you may have the wheels, but it won't move anywhere.
@@thegoose1005 Ik thats why one engine ships make no sense
What's the loop for on the back? A key ring?
I still can't understand what could be the design and technical logic of having detached parts held together by energy fields. There are no aerodynamic issues that are relevant and it seems like a waste of energy. Needs site-to-site transport to move between sections, which I think causes more problems and risks than it solves. Star Trek isn't only about making things look cool, or at least it shouldn't be. smh
Did you saw season 3 of ST:Discovery? Apart from this desing doesnt make any sense they have personal transports so it eliminates need to have things atached and need for turbolifts
Everyone in the age this ship exists has personal transporters so that’s not an issue. Transporters have existed in Star Trek for hundreds of years and nothing else was ever done with the technology, no advances? That makes no sense so what they’ve done is push the tech. As far as detached nacelles, nacelles aren’t real, none of this tech is real by our standard so I don’t see any rationale for “this can’t exist”. Detach nacelles are held by magnetic and gravimetric energy and less hull space is less of a power draw. We have no idea of the energy out out of this ships warp core or how many cores it has even. There could be a drive just to supply the nacelle energy needs. I think down the line we will get tech manuals that explain it all. The first episode of Star Trek we didn’t know what a warp drive was and people said this can’t be real but today they are working on actual faster than light drive engine concepts. If something can be imagined, it can be created
There was a Star Trek Enterprise episode of the crew finding a future 'pod' ship with more space inside then physically possible. It could be that sort of setup. Interdimensional turbolifts?
"smh"
Says the 21st century warp engineer lol ...
Solid pylons were already reinforced by the Structural Integrity Field. So this is an evolution of that, minus the metal. It makes sense because warp fields already were passing through spaces around the ship (between nacelles, through Vulcan and Romulan ships.) So the idea that deleting pylons could improve on that would also make sense.
This is a very interesting design for a ship’s evolution. Even though it’s much more simplified it still has the feel of voyager. I find the detached sections to be an interesting idea. This could give the shit greater modularity when it comes to future upgrades to the primary hull, secondary hull, and warp nacelles. It could also have slightly similar functions to Book’s ship in that it could reconfigure itself. With the primary and secondary hulls separated, this could make for easier saucer separation. I dunno, just some ideas for the why. As to how they get from place to place in the ship, they do have personal transporters. Though I’m sure the ship can reconnect itself if needed as programable matter is something that is used in this future era. This is by far not the worst ship design I’ve ever seen as I’ll leave that to the refit JJ enterprise at the beginning of Star Trek beyond. Was not a fan of how sickly that ship looked.
I guess it's not too far out of left field for this kind of design. It's a 32nd century ship from season 03 of Discovery. We can already kind of do this with magnets and liquid nitrogen. I imagine a room temp semiconductor and some sort of quantum locking would be needed in the future. Not personally a fan of the design, but I can't blame that on Cryptic, this time.
*edit* Now I can't stop thinking about superpositioning and quantum locked anchors.... the sci-fi geek in me squeed.
@@Nanarchy_2k7 True enough, but at least some of cryptic’s newer designs on STO are better than the ones they started with at the beginning of the game. Can’t stand not seeing federation star ships without proper phaser beam strips.
THIS! This comment is how it's done, people. 👏👏👏👏👏
When I first saw it I was like "oh yeah kool ship"
But after learning thst EVERY PART of the ship is just.... Holding hope to be close to the other part.... Nah man......
But props to you for ALWAYS getting the NEW ships to show off!
What's your secret huh, you can tell me, lol
Firstly, and as always, great work on the video. Now that I got that out of the way... Oh snap! I can create the U.S.S. Handy Vac! It'll double as my key fob as well! Sweet!
Another meh ship from KurtzTrek.
My first thought is StarFleet is trying its hand at Star Destroyer designs.
I like the keychain attachment at the aft end of the secondary hull!
Can't say that I'm a fan of this one. What are they going to do if/when critical systems fail and one or both of their warp nacelles or any other free floating parts go flying off into the void?
I guarantee its first Captain is named "Karen" lol
😆😆😆😆
You're right, the first capt is Karen, Karen A. Naggalot.
the hole at the back makes it a perfect key chain
I don't like the nacelle being apart from the ship they need struts to make it go to warp.
1 Emp missile and your engines are never to be seen again.
Starfleet is known for their redundancies, I'm sure it's not that simple
@@Capt_Dango There's no science in existence that says splitting parts of something makes a stronger something. This is fantasy. This is Starwars style conceptual thinking. Startrek always has had a somewhat explanatory position when it came to it's technology. This is a magic adhesive that would draw immense power just keeping everything structurally intact.
@@TheBlackB0X its called science fiction not science reality. Even star trek is only fiction and nothing really exists that would make something like that nearly possible.
@@TheBlackB0X One of the complaints lots of folks have about jj trek and nutrek is that it's fantasy instead of sci-fi. I agree with this assessment.
@@TheBlackB0X the original series had no technical manuals or explanations for any of its science when it came out, that came later. Anything that can be imagined, can be explained, that’s always how Trek has been since I started watching it in reruns in the seventies. Detached hulls put less stress on the engine to move less mass. For all we know the nacelles could have their own power source in each one powering the nacelle and shielding for it 🤷🏾 we won’t know until someone comes up with tech specs
I'm still wandering how the primary hull, secondary hull, and nacelles fly together when they're not attached and how the @%#$ do you get from the primary hull to the secondary hull
personal transporters most likely , but its also a possibility that with programable matter they can make a path between the two when needed
I would suspect they are held together by magnetic force. Getting from one part of the ship to another would be rather simple really. They have personal transporters in the 32nd century but there's also the possibility that the turbolifts have built-in transporters to transport to the unattached portions of the ship.
@@shaynajewell8225 the issue is that transporters can be jammed taken offline etc , you would need a physical connection turbolift , jefferies tube ETC to access them in a emergency situation which we see in trek all the time , its a dumb design element IMO due to that
Simple, step onto a Starfleet Murder Pad, be disintegrated and compiled down into a data stream and beamed to another Starfleet Murder Pad. Also hope and pray that you aren't split into two different personalities, end up as a gelatinous blob, end up in space, become one with a bulk head or start seeing things due to transporter sickness. Other than that, I'm sure that nothing will go wrong at all.
@@admiralsquatbar127 WHAT THE @%#$ is a murder pad
On the show I was not a big fan of any of the 32nd designs but as always Zef does another amazing job and makes me like the design more then I originally did. Thanks again Zef for the great video!
Might be in a minority but I do not like the ships they came up with for that era.
You're not in the minority.
You aren't. It looks like shit
I agree
Bro,You're not the only one.
You are not alone.
The only ship from the 32nd century that actually looks like a Starfleet ship and not something from a completely different IP.
a Ferrari 599 looks very, very different from a horse carriage from 900 years ago.
@@Maxxorz But a Horse Carriage of today still looks pretty much the same.
Why are you comparing Apples to Oranges?
@@David_B_Dornburg a high-end horse carriage from 900 years ago was the absolute pinnacle of personal transporation. A Ferrari 599, or even a common car like a Toyota RAV4, is a common form of personal transportation today. It's about comparing what role it's filling, we use cars to go from place to place, a carriage did the same a long time ago before cars or trains or planes. An excelsior class was a common Starfleet ship in 2366, and it's easy to see how different it is from a space shuttle, and why it would also be so different from a ship even just a few hundred years ahead of it. The fact that the Voyager J looks so typically Starfleet in it's design 700 years after VOY is more hard to believe than the USS Nog looking drastically different than the USS Enterprise D
That looks very very powerful. I'm pretty sure captain janeway herself with love that ship. Great job on the people who built this.
I thought the nacelles will at least attached back to the ship when jump to warp...
It does in the series
@@wolfstriker3992 only on the discovery refit it does but not really sure about any of the other ships since we never see them go to warp
@@Michellejosph i remember a scene in the final episode when voyager warped in to engage the emerald chain the engines disconnect from the hull
@@wolfstriker3992 no it did not it was the other fleet from nivar that did the voyager was seen firing at the discovery and then agian later in formation as the discovery returned to starfleet hq the emerald chain was right outside of starfllet/federation hq cloaking bubble field
No real need for it to attach at warp, since the ship isn't really moving, just the space around it is. I'd be more worried about trying to navigate at impulse.
This design is... well, put it this way. If I submitted this as a class project model back when I took a course on 3D Studio Max in 2002, my instructor would have laughed me out of the room and gave me D or F grade. Not knocking STO devs, this is not their fault, but NuTrek production people should be ashamed of themselves for this joke of a design.
Bad opinion is bad
its not a joke, try go telling anyone that the locking in place effect from supper conductors and wireless charging don't exist and wont get any better in legit the next thousand years
So I'm curious does each nacelle have it's own engine room? How does that work exactly with getting the matter/antimatter flowing into each nacelle to go to warp?
the matter/antimatter reaction is kept in the warp core, it's the electro-plasma that would power it. and if I had to hazard a guess, portals yo. Orange from the warp core power output and blue to each nacelle. lol
We can already transfer energy wirelessly today, I charge my phone this way, nothing to say they can't do that by the 32nd century for sure. Besides the matter/antimatter reaction is in the warp core. In real world "theoretical physics." Warp drive is the creation of a warp bubble around the object that you wish to "propel." ( I use the word propel as I'll be Ignoring for a second that the principle relies on space as being the thing that moves not the ship.) This bubble engulfs all the sections of the ship the nassels are just big field generators not actually engines in the conventional sense of thrust like a rocket or jet engine so do not require any fuel. That's why they talk about warp coils as it's suggested in star trek that they use some sort of coil and plasma system, not disimilar to a transformer to create a "field" around the ship. We have seen it in Star Trek before when they extend a warp bubble around another ship (NX-01 and NX-02 for example) and carry it with them. Remember technically the ship isn't moving, space is. The field just protects the ship from the contraction (In front) and expansion (behind) of space time. Technically - if you can power them - the nassel don't have to be attached to the ship at all, and in fact there would be many advantages to not having them fixed to the ship such as reducing the inertia exerted on the main hull during sub light speed manoeuvres etc. Just one, but there are many. It makes sense to me that by that time period they would do this. Besides, with reprogrammable matter they could reattach them and detach them at will....
Like or dislike, I respect and applaud the thought process!
Janeway Class - ah so it has no navigation systems
Detached nacelles - wtf?
Detached 'saucer' - okay now it's just stupid
It comes from Discovery - Ohhhh, okay now everything makes sense. Burn it with fire.
I see way to many things going wrong with a multiple detachment design.
Remind me of those video games were you have extra guns floating on the side of the ship
Me: Infinite warp bubble shapes. Variable warp geometry while at warp to compensate for sub-space conditions. Imagine the power conservation, imagine the optimum warp constant. I imagine that there would be hundreds of built-in redundancy systems working in synchronisity 600 years into the future. And even if power failed, it's not like the nacelles would go anywhere due to inertia.
Idiots: The back looks like a bottle opener! Just aim for the pylon energy generator! If it lost power all the bits would just float away!
Power conservation? It'd take more power to keep the ship held together than it otherwise would.
There's no real significant advantage to this and more points of failure. Calm down, Einstein.
@@mechanomics2649 I've just told you the advantage. Infinite warp bubles to adapt to any situation. And how much power does a tractor beam use? Considerably less than a Warp Drive, that's for certain. Hell, the warp core effeciency would save so much power that the tractor beam/programmable connection from the secondary hull to the nacelles would probably pay for themselves a thousand fold.
This is the only ship that has a chance to fight that gigantic Star Trek Reaper we saw in Picard. Let’s us pray that the 32nd Century Star fleet can travel back in time to FIGHT the coming darkness
Soooo what happens if the ship loses power?
This is by far the best rendering of the Voyager J that I have seen, Even better than what we saw on Discovery season 3 - kudos! I love the Voyager and I think this is a good redesign overall, except for that darn bottle opener.!
So how is this future technology explained in game?
Is this an alternate skin for the intrepid class, or a brand new ship altogether?
New ship.
What kind of manufacturer's warranty does this ship come with?
You break it, we own you.
WW2 battleship sailor passing a modern day destroyer "uhm not much change!" Turning to look at what its escorting (no words needed)
Great work from ZEFilms as always! Still not a fan of the ship though ^_^; Hate to be that guy that has to report to the engineering section from the saucer section XD And yes, I am on the boat on what happens to the ship when power is offline hahaha
They have personal transporters, engineering to the bridge takes like half a second
I love how it still retains most of the geometry of the original Intrepid Class Voyager, including the variable nacelles.
Interesting! The warp nacelles held by force beams?
Imagine loosing power and your ship is suddenly four chucks all floating away from each other lmao
A power outage would actually forcibly pull the parts back together due to programmable matter holding them intact.
It looks alright, I wish it wasn’t put in ANOTHER promo box
Good luck Eaglemoss whit this one XDDDD😆
How do people move from one section of the ship to the other? Would they have to transport? And in order to do that, I'd assume they'd have to be able to transport at warp too..
Transporting at warp was already possibly by the 24th century, and it just required syncing warp speeds and such, and each section would obviously be travelling at the same speed. Plus 32nd century transporters are probably better than old ones
@@Sasha-sj4xe Still, it would mean the ship would need to be powered all the time in order for the crew to transport to the different parts of the ship, since not all the parts are physically connected. What would happen if they lost power? And without power, the different parts of the ship could potentially start to drift apart, too. It doesn't really seem like the best design decision.
@@jadetraveler The badges probably have individual transporters in them, and given that it's the 32nd century they probably have tons of backups for if main power goes down
Great showcase as always, ZEFilms. Though this ship is a contentious one...
What is holding it all together?? I'm all for Awesome designs but I also like them to still make visually "solid" sense. In short this one does not make the cut in my book.
I actually thought it was a neat evolution, both of Voyager's rotating pylons, and Star Trek design in general. As for what is holding it together, you are making that argument on a computer, over the internet for all to see. Try telling someone from 900 years ago how that works.
@@josephbryant8799 It is purely subjective at this point being science fiction, I just don't care for this particular type, I feel that it borders more on the fiction than the science in my opinion. As a note of reference , even the Enterprise J was one solid ship. But I digress, each to their own.
@@jadintenax226 This thing is over 700 years more advanced than the J, saying this ship should look more like it is like saying a modern US Navy destroyer should look more like a 15th century Portuguese Caravel.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s not a fan of the detached nacelles and saucer section.
Ok, we've got the ship. Now we need the reboot series 🌟🖖🏻❤️
One good system hack to the magnetic containment field and the entire ship falls apart!!
Assuming it is magnetic field that is holding those parts xD.
One good hit to the programmed matter quantum entanglement suite, maybe... :D
@@Nanarchy_2k7 ye i was thinking that too. But when i saw video i realised that whole ship is levetating from part there is no conection with progammed matter like in move... I mean do people need to tp always when then need to move from one part of ship to another... I like the idea of ship been able to change config but to always be in levetaded state, nah...
@@Nanarchy_2k7 Just imagine a system hack on the programmable matter. Hentai nightmares can happen!!
So basically it’s a middle finger to the eagle moss collectors
This is Classic kurtzman Trek no science all Fantasy. This ship will not survive the first power outage. Nice video Though.
So the warp nacelles aren't attached to the rest of the ship? How does that work?
Work similar system called wireless, meaning the energy or electricity was transferred wirelessly
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@@COMMANDERHAWK22 Interesting! I'm only half way through Discovery season 1.
@@-johnny-deep- you have some catching up to do
I actually like this ship. It also actually has a helpful design feature. It has its bridge deep in tge very middle unexposed instead of the traditional at the top and exposed. Leaving it bridge more protected than the ones on most other ships.
Excellent video as always but the ship is definitely not to my taste.
Voyager and Janeway polarized the community back in the days of the original Show and still continue to do so in 2021 ^^ ... At least it stays true to its controversial nature xD
There's a few things I would like to know about this ship design. How is it you can have 4 separate ship parts moving through space at warp. It just makes me think that when the ship goes to warp, only the nacelles would move forward while the rest of the ship stays behind. Also, what is powering the warp nacelles? Does each one have their own miniature warp core or something? The warp core can't be located within the ship due to the fact that there's nothing connecting the warp nacelles to the rest of the ship.
In real world "theoretical physics." Warp drive is the creation of a warp bubble around the object that you wish to "propel." ( I use the word propel as I'll be Ignoring for a second that the principle relies on space as being the thing that moves not the ship.) This bubble engulfs all the sections of the ship the nassels are just big field generators not actually engines in the conventional sense of thrust like a rocket or jet engine. That's why they talk about warp coils as it's suggested in star trek that they use some sort of coil and plasma system, not disimilar to a transformer to create a "field" around the ship. We have seen it in Star Trek before when they extend a warp bubble around another ship (NX-01 and NX-02 for example) and carry it with them. Remember technically the ship isn't moving, space is. The field just protects the ship from the contraction (In front) and expansion (behind) of space time. Technically - if you can power them - the nassel don't have to be attached to the ship at all, and in fact there would be many advantages to not having them fixed to the ship such as reducing the inertia exerted on the main hull during sub light speed manoeuvres etc. Just one, but there are many. It makes sense to me that by that time period they would do this. Besides, with reprogrammable matter they could reattach them and detach them at will....
why take the form of a Intrepid Class if its in 11th generation?
It cracks me up that 1200 year into the future we'll still have the air traffic control phrase of "Red, Right, Return" from the ship's landing lights.
Hey something's never need to change
@@imperialpower2875 Given what changes occurred in just one century of flight I'm sure the next 1100 years will make things virtually unrecognizable.
Just how big is this ship supposed to be? Given that if you look closely you can see that each of the "rows of windows" visible on the model actually have two rows of windows each, not just one. This means that each of those narrow strips are two decks tall and moreover, it implies that there must be at least 8 to 9 decks between each of those strips without any windows at all. This suggests that the overall ship length would have to be FAR larger than the 500 to 700 meters that some people have speculated, in fact, probably much closer to 2100 to 2800 meters (assuming a minimum 3m deck height and possibly allowing for as much as an additional 2m between decks, making each of those strips between 6 to 8 meters tall). This however would seem to contradict the on-screen evidence, given that the Voyager-J doesn't appear to be anywhere near that big relative to the Discovery.
Thanks for all your videos. I really love you this ship design and waited anxiously to see one of your videos to do a montage and deep dive.
I can’t wait to see what the inside of these new 32nd century ships look like!
I suspect they will be as disappointing as the outside.
@@georgef3171 For you, maybe. For the rest of us, we may find it rather cool.
great work ZEF. What a strange ship, still not sure of the FED "disjointed" ships
I’m still trying to get the detached nacelles aspect
I think of detached nacelles as Bluetooth enabled nacelles 🖖🏽
zen charging pads!
This is really something very very nice. Welldone!
I really dislike the ST:D designs of ships, especially the 31st-century ships, they're just too nonsensical and way too sci-fi for even Start Trek for a distant future Federation ship, there are just too many issues with the designs. But I'll hand it to you Zef, you know how to make an awful ship look pretty cool for a short period. Love the work you put into all this!
Great video as usual. That's a super radical design, but keep in mind the production designers had to come up with something that looks like 1000 years in the future from the perspective of the 22nd century. In that sense it's actually not as radical as it could be. It certainly looks cool! But yeah, it also takes some getting used to.
Detached nacelles? Good god I hope we don't have one of those power failures that happen in a quarter of star trek episodes lol.
Still not a fan of the detached nacelles and saucer. Join them up and the sleek lines will benefit.
It makes no sense to have the different pieces separated, even if you could. Getting from one to the other will rely on transporters and spacewalks.
I just hate the unattached parts. I feel like there will be a malfunction and someone will have to chase down their own engines.
Or a ship with a strong tractor beam can steal them.
@@yelloandy Oh! I didn't think of that.
I want to smooth out her lines so bad but I think I like that. The fact that it doesn’t conform to old patterns of the way federation ships look. I’ve wanted new ships for so long, an aesthetic can’t last forever, the two nacelles and a saucer way of doing things has to die at some point and I’m okay with that
Well the cool thing about this ship is that the saucer and two nacelles thing remains but it still looks super radical. Personally though I liked the Dauntless more. That of course wasn't even a real Federation ship in canon!
sure I'm going to catch hell for this . But how do you get from one section to another if they aren't connected? and what happens if some kind of explosion happens between these floating sections???
Iconian reverse engineered tech??
Once again, great work from ZEFilms Productons. You just wish that the creators of Discovery and Picard would allow for beauty passes and give a bit more love to ship design. I genuinely believe it's not in Alex Kurtzman's 'M.O' with Star Trek - he's actively contradicting visual continuity and so I feel like Discovery and even Picard are very much a 'soft reboot' of our beloved franchise. 55 years of rich universe-building and one production team can wipe it all away.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but is this the same Starship technology used in Star Trek discovery?