The latency sub-gods. Thanks for the video. I think you're right about Izotope Nektar being a culprit for me. I'm assuming I can keep the VST on the track, and just turn it off when recording, or does it need to be kept off the track until mixing?
@@kylechumchal Kind of ironic, since the effect can aid a vocalist in singing to and enjoying the results of the effect. This seems like a fault inside of Ableton as much as the plug-in, or it's Izotope's fault. I have some issues with their plug-ins retaining custom setting also. Freeze away!
Very glad I found this one, I'm an Izotope ppl you speak of. I love their visual mixer that uses instances on each track to help dial in parameters on each track from one spot; so naturally I did a template to make it easier to get set up and ready and had exactly that experience wondering where the latency was coming from by default. Guess the time cost of putting the plugin on each instance AFTER recording is finished and moving on to mixing is more than worth it; it's necessary. Thanks my friend!
This was the only video that i saw that pointed out the impact of plugins in the master. I was getting ready to buy a new interface to deal with what looked like only about 7ms of latency, but felt terrible when playing. If you only watch one video on latency this is the ONE! THANK YOU!!!!
instead of recording the track with auto, you can just set it to IN for monitoring only, you dont have to arm+record to hear yourself, that way you dont have to delete the recording, less steps
one thing you can do to help if you are monitoring through ableton… just below ‘delay compensation’ there is an option called ‘reduce latency when monitoring’ improved latency significantly. especially helps when tracing midi
Godsend video bruv. Thank you so much. The part when you said preferences say one thing but real life says another is what I literally was just dealing with. 🤦🏾♂️
It's absolutely to be expected, that plugins like limiters (you mentioned Izotope and fabfilter pro L which both do limiting) introduce latency because they have a look ahead. The bigger the look ahead, the bigger the latency because they can't look into the "future" without waiting for it to occur. Really nothing to blame on those plugins.
You can use track delay on the track you are monitoring and set it to the amount of latency you are experiencing and it will compensate for it while recording
I love Ableton but how on earth Logic figured out low latency recording over a decade ago and Live didn’t? You can literally record to a project fully loaded with plugins and it’s still ok just by pressing one button.
The problem at 6 minutes is fixed in settings by configuring latency compensation. Great video though! I learned my neoverb on my default track is killing me lol 😅
Some of the different limiting algorithms in pro l2 have way less latency. I think it’s the transparent one that has only like 7ms? Still not ideal but just a thought
32 bits works fine if you export the beat , create a new session , import it , create 2 tracks one with auto one with off , record , delete auto , replace with off , do it again and again till you get the takes you want , export the takes , send them to the beat session , change to 1024 bits - for producing,mixing,mastering . I m coming back to ableton after years of logic pro x and thats how everyone does it , even the pro tools guys and also they kinda in the 32bits session they create audios with fxs , so they once the take is ok they throw it immediately to the audio with fx in this case the off vocal , once you are fine just export the off vocals with no fxs on them and you are ok .
p.s the off audio should always be with no sound only signal in cause else it sounds like a doubler - and once the recording is finished delete the auto track(latency) and keep the off (zero latency ) , works for vocals and guitars .... etc etc
Well you can use Gigperformer to record with any plugin chain you want and put ableton monitoring OFF, you track using plugins but in ableton you get the track without latency, anyways, or you can record in two tracks at the same time one with monitoring IN to listen to your plugin chain an the other one in off, anyways they fixed this on ableton 12 ;)
@@WordupG well Ableton had a long time downside when you record audio from your interface and active auto or on monitoring on a track, it used to record latency too, but in Ableton 12 they fixed it, as all the other major daws does.
this was a good test, only thing that sucks is for artists, is it seems you cant monitor from your audio interface with plugins (compressor, autotune, etc.) which definitely improves confidence for better vocal takes. im sure guitarists prefer to play with reverbs and amp sims as well. being able to use Pro L 2 without adding latency is pretty sick though.
you HAVE to use driver error compensation to lower that latency to zero...i monitor people daily and generally have no issues....the plugin thing matter the most....i monitor people with stock plugins and then after i add stuff
I think there s a massive difference between midi and audio latency issues. While midi latency can be eliminated by a perfect PC+Interface, and not loading certain plugins, audio Monitor-recording-latency is a fundamental basic issue, which is always present, indepentently from your setup. Thus i hate audio latency much more. I dont want to monitor the dry signal of my audio interface, i wanna hear what some fx do while recording... I think i ll try Gigperformer as AUDIO IN for Ableton, to see if there s less audio latency with monitoring via gigperformer and then recording in Ableton.
Don't I know it... I've made midi patterns via monitoring in ableton but feeding into a synth only to realize after I recorded the synth's audio that what I'm hearing needs to be 1/16th note forward of where the actual MIDI clip is. It's insane because HOW WOULD YOU KNOW, unless you everything by doing a ton of test recordings to... and even then the audio being recorded isn't just recording with some amount of latency... it's potentially correct and you wouldn't know it because it's the monitoring that is not in sync with the MIDI clip's timing!!!! It's madness!
In case this still is the problem for you, here some tips Turn delay compensation off while you record. Put a loop like 1 bar to arrange view and play 4/4 kick drum etc from external, keep recording new loop and go to midi settings in properties. Adjust output latency that is going to your synth by extending it, in the lower menu and dial negative values until kick is on the grid. Set it once per audio interface. Best to note values for different places and setups
You can do that but you will be hearing the latency as you record which might mess with your playing or singing a little bit. Really just depends how much latency your plugins are adding.
Its amazing how every year technology requires more power, more space and apps struggle because you dont have the latest mist powerful pc or mac... great way to create headaches for the people that support these companies. Truly corporations only care about their investors and not the users..
I found that it only help when you send to a return track where the processing is being done. It doesn’t have any effect on a track with the processing done on it. And I also noticed that it is changing the recorded audio compared to recording a track with the same chain of processing on it
@@kylechumchal Ah, ok, I agree! That's exactly what I'm doing - twice good if you own some equipment to do all the necessary processing for monitoring before it goes to DI
Who invented latency anyways? 😤
Flat earth socity !
The latency sub-gods. Thanks for the video. I think you're right about Izotope Nektar being a culprit for me. I'm assuming I can keep the VST on the track, and just turn it off when recording, or does it need to be kept off the track until mixing?
Unfortunately even having it on the track turned off adds latency. You can freeze the track or just wait till the mixing stage to start using it.
@@kylechumchal Kind of ironic, since the effect can aid a vocalist in singing to and enjoying the results of the effect. This seems like a fault inside of Ableton as much as the plug-in, or it's Izotope's fault. I have some issues with their plug-ins retaining custom setting also. Freeze away!
@@kylechumchal DId you check this on the newest Izotope Nektar release, from the last year or so?
straight to it, no wasting 5 minutes of my life of someone explaing why I came to the link
Very glad I found this one, I'm an Izotope ppl you speak of. I love their visual mixer that uses instances on each track to help dial in parameters on each track from one spot; so naturally I did a template to make it easier to get set up and ready and had exactly that experience wondering where the latency was coming from by default. Guess the time cost of putting the plugin on each instance AFTER recording is finished and moving on to mixing is more than worth it; it's necessary. Thanks my friend!
This was the only video that i saw that pointed out the impact of plugins in the master. I was getting ready to buy a new interface to deal with what looked like only about 7ms of latency, but felt terrible when playing. If you only watch one video on latency this is the ONE! THANK YOU!!!!
instead of recording the track with auto, you can just set it to IN for monitoring only, you dont have to arm+record to hear yourself, that way you dont have to delete the recording, less steps
THANK YOU! my pro L2 was doing the same for me lol
one thing you can do to help if you are monitoring through ableton… just below ‘delay compensation’ there is an option called ‘reduce latency when monitoring’ improved latency significantly. especially helps when tracing midi
Godsend video bruv. Thank you so much. The part when you said preferences say one thing but real life says another is what I literally was just dealing with. 🤦🏾♂️
Thank you 🙏 glad I could help
It's absolutely to be expected, that plugins like limiters (you mentioned Izotope and fabfilter pro L which both do limiting) introduce latency because they have a look ahead. The bigger the look ahead, the bigger the latency because they can't look into the "future" without waiting for it to occur. Really nothing to blame on those plugins.
You can use track delay on the track you are monitoring and set it to the amount of latency you are experiencing and it will compensate for it while recording
Appreciate your work! Thanks for this video 💗
Very clear and helpful, thank you for this!
I love Ableton but how on earth Logic figured out low latency recording over a decade ago and Live didn’t?
You can literally record to a project fully loaded with plugins and it’s still ok just by pressing one button.
very clear man, thank you
Great concise video. Thank you!
Recap :
1/ reduce latency to 128 sample
2/ record with monitor « off »
3/ plug-in like isotope add a tons off latency, turn it off
The problem at 6 minutes is fixed in settings by configuring latency compensation. Great video though! I learned my neoverb on my default track is killing me lol 😅
Ah, so great! Always recording with latency!
Hi! I have a problem, transport bar is out of sync with project..i try to solve this but I did not find a solution.
Thanks for the clear explanation. Bit of a bummer that you cant monitor what you are playing on hardware in Ableton.
Thank you
This explains a lot... I use a template with two pro l 2's on the master and have about 109 ms of latency that I couldn't get rid of no matter what
Some of the different limiting algorithms in pro l2 have way less latency. I think it’s the transparent one that has only like 7ms? Still not ideal but just a thought
32 bits works fine if you export the beat , create a new session , import it , create 2 tracks one with auto one with off , record , delete auto , replace with off , do it again and again till you get the takes you want , export the takes , send them to the beat session , change to 1024 bits - for producing,mixing,mastering . I m coming back to ableton after years of logic pro x and thats how everyone does it , even the pro tools guys and also they kinda in the 32bits session they create audios with fxs , so they once the take is ok they throw it immediately to the audio with fx in this case the off vocal , once you are fine just export the off vocals with no fxs on them and you are ok .
p.s the off audio should always be with no sound only signal in cause else it sounds like a doubler - and once the recording is finished delete the auto track(latency) and keep the off (zero latency ) , works for vocals and guitars .... etc etc
Well you can use Gigperformer to record with any plugin chain you want and put ableton monitoring OFF, you track using plugins but in ableton you get the track without latency, anyways, or you can record in two tracks at the same time one with monitoring IN to listen to your plugin chain an the other one in off, anyways they fixed this on ableton 12 ;)
What do you mean by “fixed in Ableton 12”? What has changed? I’m a noob so this is all new info to me. Thanks
@@WordupG well Ableton had a long time downside when you record audio from your interface and active auto or on monitoring on a track, it used to record latency too, but in Ableton 12 they fixed it, as all the other major daws does.
this was a good test, only thing that sucks is for artists, is it seems you cant monitor from your audio interface with plugins (compressor, autotune, etc.) which definitely improves confidence for better vocal takes. im sure guitarists prefer to play with reverbs and amp sims as well. being able to use Pro L 2 without adding latency is pretty sick though.
That’s where DSP interfaces like the Apollo come into play. With that you can monitor with plugins and no latency.
@@kylechumchal very true, I have an apollo, gotta find out how to monitor with it, without printing the effects.
In console on the right side where it says insert effects you gotta use UAD MON instead of UAD REC
@@kylechumchal !! Hell yeah thank you
What I do is create a group, put plugins on group.
you HAVE to use driver error compensation to lower that latency to zero...i monitor people daily and generally have no issues....the plugin thing matter the most....i monitor people with stock plugins and then after i add stuff
GREAT
I think there s a massive difference between midi and audio latency issues. While midi latency can be eliminated by a perfect PC+Interface, and not loading certain plugins, audio Monitor-recording-latency is a fundamental basic issue, which is always present, indepentently from your setup. Thus i hate audio latency much more. I dont want to monitor the dry signal of my audio interface, i wanna hear what some fx do while recording... I think i ll try Gigperformer as AUDIO IN for Ableton, to see if there s less audio latency with monitoring via gigperformer and then recording in Ableton.
Don't I know it... I've made midi patterns via monitoring in ableton but feeding into a synth only to realize after I recorded the synth's audio that what I'm hearing needs to be 1/16th note forward of where the actual MIDI clip is. It's insane because HOW WOULD YOU KNOW, unless you everything by doing a ton of test recordings to... and even then the audio being recorded isn't just recording with some amount of latency... it's potentially correct and you wouldn't know it because it's the monitoring that is not in sync with the MIDI clip's timing!!!!
It's madness!
In case this still is the problem for you, here some tips
Turn delay compensation off while you record.
Put a loop like 1 bar to arrange view and play 4/4 kick drum etc from external, keep recording new loop and go to midi settings in properties. Adjust output latency that is going to your synth by extending it, in the lower menu and dial negative values until kick is on the grid.
Set it once per audio interface. Best to note values for different places and setups
441 is for cd, 48 is for film...is my understanding
What if we record audio simultaneously in 2 channels one to hear the effects and other to record dry signals!!
You can do that but you will be hearing the latency as you record which might mess with your playing or singing a little bit. Really just depends how much latency your plugins are adding.
Informative video
Its amazing how every year technology requires more power, more space and apps struggle because you dont have the latest mist powerful pc or mac... great way to create headaches for the people that support these companies. Truly corporations only care about their investors and not the users..
🤯 “Monitoring in Ableton” 🤯
How did I not know this?
use your templates just turn your fx plugins off
does the 'reduced latency when monitoring' option help much?
I found that it only help when you send to a return track where the processing is being done. It doesn’t have any effect on a track with the processing done on it. And I also noticed that it is changing the recorded audio compared to recording a track with the same chain of processing on it
It is a very informative video, but it doesn't answer the title: How to Record with Zero Latency in Ableton ??
The answer is to use direct monitoring
@@kylechumchal Ah, ok, I agree! That's exactly what I'm doing - twice good if you own some equipment to do all the necessary processing for monitoring before it goes to DI
So annoying that latency is still a thing. I remember this being exactly the same back in like 2006
kinda dumb that ableton records the latency.
Thank you