Ableton Zero Latency Tracking with GigPerformer major cheat code! 🤯
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- DECAP goes into detail about an Ableton Live zero latency tracking plugin, GigPerformer, which is a complete game-changer and major cheat code to your production workflow in the DAW.
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Can you make a video explaining how you made all your rackspaces and wired them in detail? Please and thank you
This is great because live streaming songwriting usually sucks due to latency, but now, we can make better songs because there’s no annoying time delay! Thank you 😎 🔥
gaming changing and available for everyone
i recently learned how to stream AND STILL use my audio interface. which means 0 input lag. so happy
@@prodnoyse how?
Can you make a video on how to set this the, the producer community needs this !!!!! 🙏
Could u do a detailed video how u set this up with gig performer? I need this in my life😮
DUDE. ABSOLUTELY LIFE CHANGING.
The Value you add to the game is unparalleled Bro! 🙌🏽🙏🏽
This is a REAL game changer! 🔥
@decap , been following your music for awhile now! i consider you a musical hero! keep on keepin!
WHAT I’VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR!!!!!! 🤯🔑🔥😲
I’d love to see a video of how you set it up on the back end, routing etc. 🙏🏼
Such great advice Decap!
Gig Performer is an amazing VST host. A true gem in the audio world.
How do you get the audio from gig performer into a livestreaming software like OBS?
@@najiahgriffiths4216 I'm sure they have a dozen of tutorials and a powerful forum.
@@najiahgriffiths4216 you can use cockos reastream, use it as the last node in the chain before ur audio interface output
I just purchased, can’t wait to play with it! Especially on my live streams!!! 7:33
brilliant thanks so much for this, just purchased my license.
You can open diferent instances of gig performer at diferen buffer sizes 1 instance at 64 and one at 128 and a third at 1250 for the heavy ones [ use empty rack to reduce cpu load when no playing a sound from one of the instances ableton just for record and launch audio an midi clips no latency a 2024 bufer sending audio from gig performer performer ti ableton via loopback of the focusrite interfase. Mind blowing thanks to this guy ....the best video of 2023.
Man, I’m glad I ran across this!!!
Latency, Ha, Ha, Ha. I hate to even bring this ancient headache up but there's latency and there's LATENCY. I'm 66 and a trained Classical and Thertre Organist. At 15 years of age I was practicing and playing on "The Mighty Wurlitzer" at the Alabama Theatre in Birmingham Alabama. The Console was in the Orchestra Pit and offset to the left. There was almost a half second delay to the right pipe chamber 100 feet away and a tenth of a second delay to the left left oioe chamber. This was mainly due to the miles of wiring which went from the console, downto the basement and back up to the pipe and instrument chambers. Were that not bad enough, the 32 Pedal pedalboard had its own delay due to the size of the pipes. Being built in the 1920's it also had a Player Piano integrated into the system as well as a complete drum kit and xylophone. You literally had to turn off your ears and mechanically make the necessary adjustments to get around the latency issues or you sounded like a first year musician. This was in the early 1970's and no one was happier than I when Organs ans Synths became Electronic and latency dissapeared for the most part. I try to share this story each time the subject of latency arises because we all fail to appreciate what technology has done for us in the past 50 years and what AI and ML will do for us in the next decade. My point is LATENCY IS A RELATIVE THING! Something none of us should ever forget.
You're a fkn legend for this thank you! I'm a big fan of using anything but UAD after dealing with ilok licensing and software compatibility issues that kept on coming back!
👀‼️🤯🤩🥳🎉
OMG ✨️THANKS✨️ for this! I absolutely LOVE Ableton but latency Issues have been CRUSHING. As it turns out I already OWN GIG PERFORMER, but have completely ignored it since I'm a Composer & NEVER play LIVE 😅🤷♂️
DEEPLY appreciated 🙏
Crap this thing is amazing!
The whole routing block thing from midi to plug-in to daw to audio out is fun.
I got pretty far without the manual.
Because of midi I can talk to my asr and mpc 3k and anything midi.
Then route the audio wherever. With the blocks. No latency.
Awesome thanks for sharing I'll prob end up coppin GigPerformer cuz it's a struggle lol
that's great. Can you sync the BPM with your DAW?
Wow !!! Omg Thank you !!!
This is fire just what i emagin am new but definitely gone to RME and gig p. 🔥
UA it's not for everyone because.... anyways get the monthly from them buy this and let's see what you think y'all this came out at such a perfect time. This the GOAT of 2023
Please Decap explain routing
ngl but I'm so interested in the little tune you played >
The algos know ... 🤜🤛
Thing that isn't clear on this is the routing between GP and your Daw... If it's using the loopback on the RME, then there's no way you can set the latency in the daw high without the same happening in Gig performer, no? So this enables you to monitor a chain in GP live while adding effects that incur addional latency in your daw, which is cool, but all the fiddling around with the interface latency at the start is just to demo what latency feels like, not to suggest you can run your DAW at a high latency and GP at a low one... or am I missing something? Either way, nice idea for when live tracking on a mix session is required.
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Hey bro I'm trying to work out how just to setup GP and Ableton just so the mic with FX's goes from GP to Ableton so I can record with no latency... Can anyone help? It's strange there's no RUclips videos on this basic setup, can someone please help... I'm a musician that just wants to play music but all the technical stuff and latency is getting in the way of me creating... any help is appreciated from anyone x
Dope I can use this with my apogee desktop. I still really love my Apollos though.
Protect this man!!
Trying to understand, couldn’t this be done with any second daw running?
i wanna hug you!! this great stuff!!
Can you pleas do a video on the set up!!!!
Exactly what i was looking for! I have the rodecaster pro 2 for podcasting. But i still want to use 3rd party plugins. I tried to deal with latency for monitoring but its jusg too bad.. only thing i need to figure out now is how to transmit the audio from gig performer to OBS or other livestreaming services. I use OBS. Do you know how to get the audio from gig performer into OBS by any chance?? Thanks for any help 😊
can someone explain how did he record stuff directly to Ableton, I'm confused. And is this applicable to any audio interface? Im using bheringer cheapest model. thanks
yes you have to use the loopback feature into ableton as an input and recored that
@@emune_So, an audio interface without loopback will not work, correct?
Really useful to know ..
Amazing. Thanks for sharing this. I like RME? They give support for old interfaces.. so you dont get any problems if you are running newer macs and buy a second hand RME interface. I had problems with old MOTU and UA interface that are not supported with newer operating systems. So no one wants to buy them and I dont want to bin it.
Great cheat code mate!
RME LOOPBACK IS THE SCRECT WEAPON
Hey ! Great vid. Is this going through loop back feature on RME ?
Is there any quality loss of the audio while it goes through loopback on RME ?
how many tracks you can dump into the daw simultaneously ??
Yes, but can you record in a hardware synth with effect plugins midi in the DAW latency free? Such as record in a midi part and have it playback through GP4 with no latency? Then once your happy record the audio. If so I am buying. Please let me know as this would be a game changer!
decap two questions.. will this work if i route it as a plugin into obs? and how do u set up a mic in ableton without it playing back to u and being able to hear it. basically want to stream to twitch and use ableton as my mic input but the problem is that i can hear myself. when i set the monitoring to off it doesn’t catch the mic audio at all. any tips?
Yea. I want to know how to get the audio from this into OBS
Good stuff!
Hello i'll test this later , what's your computer cpu please?
There he is
Incredible
how r u running Ableton and Gigperformer together?? can u explain the routing
Maybe a stupid question but…What’s the difference between totalmix and gig preformer ? I thought the RME fireface ufx iii was zero latency proof when you using totalmix software combined with your daw. No?
Damn which preset was it in Omnisphere?
probably in memoriam
I wonder if it is possible to do run Gig Performer with effects, Instruments and in parallel do some arranged looping and backing tracks in Ableton. Currently I am doing all in Ableton, having some Racks with multiple looper Devices, no direct feed through from the loopers (only when play back). When I started adding some (e.g. vocal) effects which cause delay the behavior was getting quite strange. Maybe just a small setting somewhere in Ableton but I could not fix shorthand.
I work on live professor but I think I can achieve exactly the same setup isn't it? Because I can't hear difference inside live about latency, everything is time aligned an goes into the master bus... what am I missing?
Wait a second, how do you choose 2 Buffersizes at the same time? My Babyface generation one doesn't allow me to do such magic. Haha. Setting a specific value in Ableton affects other programs, and vice versa. [[EDIT: Seems to be Windows related! MAC can adjust two different buffersizes.]] Besides, i also can't comprehend the logic behind all this: when a DAW is already showing signs of ASIO overload and therefore you increase buffersize - how is it possible that another audioprogram can simultanuosly use the same ASIO driver, playing highly demanding plugins, at a very low buffersize? I'd love to see the same video in a real "almost ASIO overload" situation of Ableton - to see if Gigperformer even is able to use the remaining tiny resources to play latency free?
Would like to know this as well
@@trjaudio as far as i know now, buffer size cannot be adjusted differently for different apps in Windows, so that's a huge disappointment for me. If someone knows how to do it, please tell me. / And i realized this workaround is only valid for exactly the situation DECAP shows: when you add SOME VSTs which increase overall latency. In the case of a real CPU/ASIO bottleneck = overloaded project, Gigperformer won't help as much, because there simply arent enough resources left to work with. So the workaround isn't perfectly working for those severe cases of CPU/ASIO overload, nonetheless, a great possibility to reduce latency - for MAC users only, sadly
@@sternenherz Just did some experimentation in reaper (I suspect I have written in your thread on RME forum, but here goes): This might have been thought of before, but I think I can solve this by opening up 2 different instances of reaper by running "File: Spawn new instance of REAPER" from the actions command.
Then I set one version of Reaper to run on my ASIO drivers (I use RME hardware). Then I select the other reaper instance to use "WaveOut" drivers.
Because I am using different drivers, I can set different latency.
Then I record the output of one daw to the other via loopback (in RME's mixer). I can also easily cope and paste audio+midi+whatever (via shortcuts) from one instance to the other
A mixing segment, that has a high "fake" buffer size. And then a recording segment that has the actual buffer size set on the sound card should be normal in every daw.
I know these 2 segments wouldn't be able to share plugins, but I wouldn't care about that. As long I can have a plugin chain on my recording segment and then another on my mixing segment.
@@trjaudio hello, although this is quite interesting, i can't imagine this being a solution for reproducing DECAPs workaround, which really needs double-ASIO power for playing with low latency :/ Thanks for sharing your tests though - yes i m in the RME Forum too haha!
@@sternenherz I don’t see how it would require any more cpu? You have a finite amount of cpu power. You can use 80%percent (or whatever) of that power because you set your buffer to 1024.
Setting your buffer to 1024= not being able to record without latency.
But if you open up another instance of reaper, and you can record without latency.
What’s not to like? (Other than a tedious work around of course).
:)
The other solution (the current one) would be to simply not be able to record with high buffer settings.
the think that i'm looking for is to recreate an fm vocal chain for all my microphone inputs (currently 3) and to monitor back in real time the processing. so with gigperformer is really possible? because if so, i'm purchasing it NOW
Is there a way to have gig performer output midi data to ableton ? So that I can change presets and parameter if I need to ?
Its like mind mapping with ya vst plugins
I dont us Ableton (but might go for it) ....does Gig performer work in other DAWs? ....i just started using FL after Reaper horible experience ...i have nice latency but might start having problems when projects start getting bigger as i add layers and effects
first of all how can i not see this until now. it was uploaded in february pffff.... anyway, great piece of advice
I think you can only do this on MAC my PC doesn't allow me to do 2 separate buffer sizes with the same interface and I have an RME
so true, any workaround way to set up yet?
does this work with Fl Studio?
Finally able to use autotune in live performances without apollo or the hardware rack - unreal
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Awesome! Do you know how to get the audio from gig performer into a livestreaming software like OBS?
BUT, how do you get two different bufer sizes? i mean how can you archieve for example 2048 buffer on ableton and 64 on gig performer??? it has to do with mac or windows?
fire !!!
Super mega boom!
Omg, I just spend weeks making an automated collection of my soft synths in Max for Live for live sets. Can gig performer load presets from plugins on the fly?
Thanks! But: The workaround only works for audio - and, as far as i know only for MAC, but please prove me wrong. Playing/recording midi instruments in Ableton with high buffer size remains no fun at all, so the workaround comes with the price of not editing Midi. Besides, it s a workaround for a feature Ableton should have since 10+years. I wonder, DECAP, do you have any connection to Abletons team? And if yes, do you ever tell them stuff like this? Or are you just happy with all those workarounds? They havent implemented feature requests since years, it seems. Bounce in place is the best example, which btw would be a great alternative for big project-problems ;) BiP has several hundred upvotes since years. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of many incredible game-changer feature requests. Gig performers CPU and RAM management is another example of what Ableton could be. I really can not understand how awesome producers like you dont push Ableton to WORK. Please help!! :) Sorry if i sound grumpy, i m coming off a day full of Ableton crashes due to m4l plugins, which are workarounds to essential features Ableton should have already... I m praying someday they get enough public pressure to actually look into the requests on their own Beta Forum.
Not saying that what you're saying is wrong, but lots of folks requested comping and they added that in 11
@@MRGO0OSE yes, i guess sometimes they DO listen. For the most part, it seems, they dont. :( At least that's the impression you get, when you read and participate in feature requests in their forum. Zero engagement from their side, zero communication, constant state of "who knows what they might do next?" and YEARS of waiting... I recently had the pleasure of looking into the feature requests of Loopy Pro. Although it s ONE developer, he manages to communicate with the users and he publicly shows the roadmap of development. Such a nice guy. And loopy pro rocks, BECAUSE he listens.
idk man i’ve been using ableton for 8 years now since 9 and “bouncing in place” has always been a thing, it’s just referred to as freezing and flattening tracks in ableton
@@poopyfeast I think by BIPing they mean a one click option like the MAX plugin does. But yeah I agree it exists. Resampling is a thing too
Gig Performer also records the MIDI (and audio if wanted) and it’s easy to get into the DAW
Does anyone know if you can record the unprocessed, direct signal to your daw but monitor with auto-tune on in gig performer?
Doesn't Unify do the same thing in saving CPU?
i mean, technically this is only valid if you still have computer resources available. If you had a giant project that bogged the computer down, then yeah, that is how it is. Opening gmail is also slow, lol... Here is some perspective >>> I bet if you have a 2 core computer / 8 gigs of ram, and a bogged project gigperformer is probably not gonna do nada. The reason is operating systems allocate a certain amount of resources to programs & some resources must remain empty so the computer doesn't crash. 2 core & 8 gigs is low end and operating systems are going to use most of that juice. However, a system which has 8 cores & 16 gigs is a different story. the M1 is gonna be WAY different caz apple probably does the memory management completely
I dunno if you guys know this trick to get ableton going faster but you can go through the samples and have them in RAM instead of running off the HDD/SSD. This dramatically makes sessions run faster. Sampler has a little RAM button on the bottom right. and MOST importantly every audio clip has a RAM button. When they are in RAM that is less time the CPU has to wait.
Do you need and RME interface for gig performer?
How can you capture midi information through Gig performer with zero latency?
Can you help me!
when i click on the link it take me to google not gigper
any chance you can record with plugins on in gig performer and not have them printed in the take once recorded ?
I wonder this to!
Is this good in all DAW
Hey curious if you need rme and total mix to route gif performer into your daw? Or can I do this with my regular audio interface? Thanks in advance. I have a Mac and when I choose my audio interface in logic, it only lets me select the inputs from my interface. Thanks in advance
And thank you for your video! I know these aren’t easy to make!!!
GigPerformer 5 now has Relayer for that. Go check it out.
Shits dem dope fr
The only downside is you lose midi notes and the possibility to edit midi tracks right ? How this software is able to load & play all those VST without latency and Ableton not ?
Gig Performer can record the MIDI and audio as well. Really easy to capture based on what I’ve seen of that in their videos.
who can help set this up with fl studio
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I’m bouta download the trial and try it out, if I figure it out I’ll help you
How much it cost?
I track bass with gig performer into digital performer 11
What interface are you using?
@@MrChickenking44 RME UFX & Babyface
Can u track vocals and not print the effects in the daw??
Yeah just record on your normal input it won’t effect the audio coming into the daw. To record the program back into a daw you need to route it to another set of inputs
Great workflow, I love it!!! ❤ I'll play with it for sure. Check this out as well: You can achieve that as well by enabling
"Options > Reduced latency when monitoring"
Then you avoid the latency by sending the output of your vocal/instrument to "Ext.Out" then "1/2" (or any of your choice) bypassing groups&master plugins.
Done!!
You can send the audio back to your desired bus/group whenever you're done.
I’ve never had great luck with this setting. Sometimes I still get latency and things get thrown off.
im trying to figure out how i can send midi out of ableton, using windows loopbe midi driver. Then into gig performer to get it to play an instrument say, omnisphere. Then route the audio back into ableton with near zero latency which im not quite managing to do im getting 77ms of delay but i cant quite figure out how to remedy it right now. if anyone has any ideas lemme know it would be cool if you had a chock full project to just send midi out of ableton then route the audio back in without latency so ableton isnt hosting the stress. maybe im missing the trick here someone enlighten me haha
Maybe i need to use gig performer in tandem with the ableton external instrument device hmmmn .
How are you getting no latency with a buffer of 2048 samples? is that only on mac or can we do that on windows as well?
This Random plugin can do it... Why cant ABLETON? lol
Can you still run it with obs without latency?
Yes - very low latency.
I have a 8gb MacBook Pro. Could this help me?
Also using a audient 2i2
Very good video. But I can't manage to do what you did. Record in Ableton live what I play in Gig performer. I need your help. If anyone knows how to do it, I would appreciate your help!
T H I S
imagine ableton comes out with a zero latency DAW
no such thing as zero latency, that's a marketing buzzword and you should be ashamed for using it
gig performer rock. on
Is this Mac only or can it be done on PC?
But really, what the FUCK is wrong with Ableton... how do they not realize that playing any instrument into it is IMPOSSIBLE, and yet there is software that makes it possible to play with almost no latency that runs ALONG SIDE Ableton?????? We need a class action lawsuit against Ableton for putting us through emotional distress... how can they make a program that works with midi keyboards, external instruments, their own FUCKING PUSH 2... and still it's nearly impossible to actually play something into the program and keep timing... matter of fact... I'M STILL SKEPTICAL.. you know why? He's just playing his soft synth and recording it into Ableton. What about playing a hardware synth, WITH a drum track/metronome into ableton -- WOULD it line up with the drums when you are done recording?????? I swear, I just have a feeling if I bought gig performer within 2 hours I'd find that there audio recorded into albeton STILL has latency and is out of time with those recorded drums
hi, I want to be able to record and input monitor into my ableton live with all my effects on my voice with 0 latency. this looks like exactly what I've been looking for. Do you have a video or can you recommend one that shows how to set up gig performer with ableton for this like you've done here?
fire!