How to Record Midi Synths Without Latency in Ableton Live: External Instrument

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  • Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024

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  • @SeedtoStage
    @SeedtoStage  4 года назад +11

    00:00 - Addressing Midi Latency
    1:30 - Direct Monitoring
    2:45 - Reduced Latency When Monitoring
    3:30 - Plugin Delay Compensation
    5:40 - Using External Instrument
    9:10 - Recording from External Instrument
    10:30 - Hardware Compensation

    • @Kai-ov3in
      @Kai-ov3in 4 года назад

      What about guitars and non-midi instruments ? I find ableton really struggles there even with reduced latency turned on.

    • @SeedtoStage
      @SeedtoStage  4 года назад +1

      @@Kai-ov3in ruclips.net/video/PT5mD2Zd7F8/видео.html

    • @thegoony
      @thegoony 4 года назад

      @@SeedtoStage What about External Effects rack, same principal?

    • @SeedtoStage
      @SeedtoStage  4 года назад +1

      @@thegoony yep you got it. I was thinking of making a video about it as there are some other considerations but yep!

    • @thegoony
      @thegoony 4 года назад

      @@SeedtoStage Yes some may find that helpful :)

  • @wildcat189
    @wildcat189 4 года назад +52

    I think you're the only guy on RUclips talking about this stuff. Legend!

    • @steveh9799
      @steveh9799 4 года назад +2

      I think more to the point you explain it far better than most! I have watched a lot of tutorials and you definitely explain in a way that is easily understood.

    • @BrysonPrice
      @BrysonPrice 4 года назад

      🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

    • @HelicopterRidesForCommunists
      @HelicopterRidesForCommunists 2 года назад

      He’s not, but yes he is.

  • @michaelsanderson6939
    @michaelsanderson6939 4 года назад +19

    The best explanation ive ever seen on this subject

  • @BrandonMoffat
    @BrandonMoffat 2 месяца назад

    Been struggling for a while now and looked into buying equipment with this and you have just helped me massively with the direct monitoring thing. You have saved me a lot. Many thanks

  • @sjfarrell2.0
    @sjfarrell2.0 3 года назад +3

    I watched this video a year ago when I didn't have any hardware. This week, I bought a Modal Cobalt 8, recorded some audio, saw there was some noticeable latency, and remembered this video. 15 mins later, latency gone. Thanks 👍

  • @alexanderwong6191
    @alexanderwong6191 26 дней назад

    manually correcting 20ms of system and hardware latency has been the most frustrating part of recording my synths for the last couple years since i first noticed, tonight you are my hero

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic 12 дней назад

      It's not your fault at all, it's Ableton's. They're saving the fix for version 12.

  • @PaulOrtiz
    @PaulOrtiz 2 года назад +5

    Dude, I never knew about the external MIDI thing. So good. Thank you!

  • @gordonmackay7421
    @gordonmackay7421 3 года назад +3

    I've been waiting for years for a video this concise on a potentially infuriating subject, it just didn't exist. Until now. Thank you!!

  • @kpsiegel
    @kpsiegel 2 года назад +7

    I have a bunch of external hardware and didn't know about that hardware latency compensation. That information is just gold. Great video packed with real information and no fluff explained clearly with great examples. Thanks for taking the time. You really helped me out.

  • @dangerbird64
    @dangerbird64 9 месяцев назад

    For years I have been pulling my hair out over trying to troubleshoot latency when using hardware with Ableton Live. This video was the first one that actually helped me. Thank you!

  • @ytrichhalo
    @ytrichhalo 2 года назад +1

    The only person ive found who can explain to an old dog exactly how to fix this issue . Thanks you so much for going the extra mile and the level of precision in your explanation. Will be looking into your courses if this is the level of instruction. Liked and subscribed

  • @Hassan-hs7cs
    @Hassan-hs7cs 4 года назад +6

    Their are very few educators on RUclips that are as precise, clear and to the point as you are. Looking forward to your mixing & mastering courses. Already signed up!!

  • @aaronbarber6238
    @aaronbarber6238 3 года назад +1

    Man, thank you. It was killing me, for the longest time I thought system latency and plug-in delay were the same. Hindsight is 20/20, and huge thank you for bringing up external instrument device! This will be such a game changer.

  • @defenderstargate1447
    @defenderstargate1447 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks so much for this one! It is incredible and just what I was looking for. More in fact as I didn't anticipate being able to also record a hardware synth through plugins while retaining the zero latency advantages.

  • @coopwerks
    @coopwerks 3 года назад +2

    Awesome. Just awesome. No one explains this better.

  • @thetropiki
    @thetropiki Год назад

    Straight forward knowledge. Thanks!

  • @fender841
    @fender841 4 года назад +2

    This couldn't have come at a better time. Just took my first dive into the world of hardware synths yesterday with a mother 32 and this is just what I need!

  • @strangersun7721
    @strangersun7721 3 года назад +2

    Love how exacting you are in your explanations. You make things so much clearer. Thank you.

  • @psychedelicendeavor2091
    @psychedelicendeavor2091 3 года назад

    I'm so glad you made these videos. Praise the lord for your existence

  • @RandomNoise
    @RandomNoise 4 года назад +1

    the best explanation of Ableton latency! thank you!

  • @alexr1632
    @alexr1632 3 года назад

    You are a saint. This helped me figure out EVERYTHING. THANK YOU!!!

  • @HIFI1965
    @HIFI1965 Год назад

    Yo Seed!! I use a plain mixer, an 18 channel audio interface, and patchbay, half normalled. Every input is split via the patchbay, sending to the mixer and the same channels in the AI. An extra patchbay is routed to various synths, and my "pedal-field"... yes, an actual field of effects pedals....this allows me to send (or insert) any combination of mutant devices, and record both the dry and the effects.... and yes, external instrument is incredible. I'm a session-view kinda guy, and clip automation is da bomb, esp on an external instruments.

  • @R_Durand
    @R_Durand 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you SO MUCH for explaining this the way that you did. Now I need to record my Nord Lead 2 into Live 🙂

  • @flowraw3393
    @flowraw3393 8 месяцев назад

    Appreciate you so much. You go into such detail on every topic and finite details.
    Thank you

  • @JamesBermingham
    @JamesBermingham 3 года назад +2

    Super informative especially as there is a big shift toward hardware/software hybrid set ups over the last few years

  • @AlejandroGuerrero
    @AlejandroGuerrero 4 года назад +1

    Man you have the best latency videos on YT. Thanks and cheers from Madrid.

  • @RyRaddatz
    @RyRaddatz Год назад

    Brand new to Ableton Live and this video explains everything I was wondering. So appreciated. Thank you!

  • @johnnykirchens3692
    @johnnykirchens3692 4 года назад +5

    dis dude droppn some fine gems latetly, I love it! Keep going 🙌

  • @billB101
    @billB101 4 года назад +3

    I had absolutely no idea the ext inst plugin existed.
    I've been having so many problems routing midi and returning audio into my modular setup with an expert sleepers ADAT interface too, properly pulling my hair out with it.
    You may have just saved me ;)
    Edit: just tried this out in the studio, midi and audio are now bang on both playing and recording ( also with effects. ) Man, can't thank you enough for this.

  • @Jasonimmanuel
    @Jasonimmanuel 3 года назад

    Thanks it's works!!! Great video ❤️❤️❤️😭😭😭

  • @scottfitzgerald4220
    @scottfitzgerald4220 3 года назад +2

    I updated from live 9 to ten yesterday, that last bit with the hardware compensation is no longer an issue, when I looked at it again today, in nine it was, dont know whats the difference is but im happy

  • @johnnyallenaah
    @johnnyallenaah 6 дней назад

    You are the man going to try this out , been using 128 buffer size to try and sort it

  • @AvianBreak
    @AvianBreak 4 года назад +2

    Your explanation was incredibly clear, thank you!

  • @mattoreilly-vy6dv
    @mattoreilly-vy6dv Год назад

    Great breakdown of this topic. It's always good to revisit this. I gain new insights every time!

  • @winstonelectric
    @winstonelectric 3 года назад

    Yeah, seriously people need to know this! When I was getting into hardware several years ago applied midi latency was the bane of my existence. I think finally I found a subretddit post or something about it but it took months. Thanks for putting this out there!

  • @mikefisher84
    @mikefisher84 Год назад

    Great video! Would love a follow up on fixing sync / latency when using external synths that rely on clock. Example a hardware synth that has an arpeggiator, getting that to tightly sync with Ableton is still next to impossible for me.

  • @brenthronik6066
    @brenthronik6066 3 года назад

    Anybody else hear Alors on Danse in the plucks he uses to show off the midi latency at the beginning? Now it's stuck in my head. But in all seriousness, always love your vids super top notch. Exactly what I was looking for to start working with my first hardware synth, a Typhon!

  • @mermaidfeetxoxo_music
    @mermaidfeetxoxo_music 4 года назад

    Coming back to say thank you again. I'm using all our hardware synths again. You're a Legend.

  • @Kruse1
    @Kruse1 4 года назад +1

    You legend. I was just starting to tinker with external gear into Live and I didnt even know about External Instrument.
    Also, I fully thought I was watching a Sonic Academy or ADSR video. top marks, mate.

  • @MusicWithMike
    @MusicWithMike Год назад

    Thank you for this. I bought a minilogue xd module to use in my productions and i had no idea how much of an absolute pain it would be getting it set up properly with my pc, controller, and interface. Then when i finally got it all to work, i threw an arp on and the latency was so bad i almost cried lol. Gonna go home and try this out.

  • @Carsian
    @Carsian 4 года назад

    ALWAYS looking forward to your videos!

  • @1TreukFlyyy
    @1TreukFlyyy 3 года назад

    Best explanation ever ! Your channel is amazing.

  • @tb80038
    @tb80038 4 года назад

    Dude this helped me a ton. I have just started to incorporate hardware. Have the Behringer MS-1 and the Elektron Model:Samples. I was almost there with these set up but was overcomplicating it and was trying to monitor the audio channel and was having a terrible time jamming like that and keeping everything in time. This helped me strip it back and get it going correctly.

  • @sulimankaur2781
    @sulimankaur2781 3 года назад

    nice clear no nonsense to the point explanation. thx

  • @KozmykJ
    @KozmykJ 4 года назад

    Very clear and concise explanations.
    I'm an old old DAW head but Ableton Live is new to me.
    Very useful stuff.
    Thank you.

  • @ResonantSerpent
    @ResonantSerpent 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for posting this. Seriously.

  • @jhonnylawrence4802
    @jhonnylawrence4802 4 года назад

    You really are awesome. Only channel that has this. I searched everywhere. I'm running FL Studio inside Ableton for drums and its piano roll features and the first drum hits are never on time. I think this should fix it

  • @chadwatson7052
    @chadwatson7052 2 года назад

    Great video!!! Cured my daily headache🎉

  • @iandeegrees1509
    @iandeegrees1509 2 года назад

    Thank you very much, never recognized that "External Instrument"-Plugin

  • @scottfitzgerald4220
    @scottfitzgerald4220 3 года назад

    this is brilliant, exactly the info i needed, havnt been usuing exterbnal instrument but now see the benefits over a midi and audio track seperatly. allso that laat bit with the tiny delay was bugging me last few days , testing latency, kinda misled in manual adjusting DEC which wasnt working, this makes better sense

  • @plumcharlie
    @plumcharlie 3 года назад

    This was the first video I've found that talked about reducing latency with the external instrument plugin (which I use all of the time and didn't even think to use like that). I've been racking my brain on ways to figure out how to reduce latency to modular synth with modules like Yarns and Expert Sleepers ES-9. I keep wanting to use my Push2 for drums with my modular set up and the latency with CV tools has been beating me up and making it unusable in the flow. Excited to try this. Thank you

  • @robvanerp5766
    @robvanerp5766 2 года назад

    Finally a decent and understandable explanation, thx !!

  • @eikarumba429
    @eikarumba429 4 года назад

    Great explanation. I’ve been using ext instra for a while and direct monitoring. Wasn’t aware of the hardware latency comp so thanks for that.

  • @in_10z
    @in_10z 4 года назад

    Great vid. Thanks. External instrument is indeed powerful and great explanation on the latency set up. Drives me batty getting that dialed but you summed it up nicely!

  • @StevenClements
    @StevenClements 3 года назад

    9:55 I like to capture it without the effects... then just copy the effect group and add it to the captured audio. This way I can mod the captured audio differently and not really commit to the effect change quite yet. GREAT video!

  • @elfinfini
    @elfinfini 4 года назад

    You simply and concisely...kill it!!

  • @mrkeeny
    @mrkeeny 2 года назад

    well done on explaining a very difficult topic👍

  • @dubioussource5208
    @dubioussource5208 4 года назад +2

    Thx for the clear description. Just note that in the end of the video you didn't turn on Live's FX when recording with the amount of added hardware latency. Might have prevented some system latency issues hehe. Right?

  • @JitterbugBoy72
    @JitterbugBoy72 3 года назад

    Dude - just watched both your videos on latency - so well explained - thank you. I now have to go and try it out but I can do with more confidence now - watched loads of videos and just came away still confused but I think (hope) I undersand now - in the past I just end up metaphorically throwing ableton out of the window and giving up. One difference for me is that I use an external sequencer (Novation SL Mk3) rather than the Ableton sequencer and just want to record the audio from my ext synths into ableton for arrangement / mixing / fx and adding the odd soft synth - So I am hoping this will work for me there. Any which way these are great videos.

  • @Gorlung
    @Gorlung 4 года назад

    Your videos are brilliant: they're enough informative and consize

  • @mermaidfeetxoxo_music
    @mermaidfeetxoxo_music 4 года назад

    Thank you so much! I’ve been searching for this video like this for so long 😭😭😭

  • @TomaszRykala
    @TomaszRykala 3 года назад

    Dude, fantastic video. thanks so much.

  • @andro41
    @andro41 Год назад

    YOU. SAVED. MY. LIFE.

  • @steventaylor5166
    @steventaylor5166 2 года назад

    Great explanation 👍🏻

  • @opusarena808
    @opusarena808 4 года назад

    Thank you for throwing that info 👍👍 Love your stuff man 🙏

  • @eldjswett
    @eldjswett 2 года назад

    This is great. So much knowledge. Still, I'm having troubles with Roland boutiques. I can adjust hardware and delay compensations, but it drifts through time. If I pause my project for a while, when I restart it it changes the amount of compensation needed. All good and adjustable for production projects, but how about for live performance?

  • @S1ph3r
    @S1ph3r 3 года назад

    man this one and the other viedo is exactly what I needed thank you!

  • @nectariosm
    @nectariosm 3 года назад

    I have many MIDI synths and hardware sequencers. I've had crazy problems where the sound from monitoring external synths would come early (crazy I know) when using External Instrument and on the MIDI channel delay offset, the "+ve" button, would do nothing, only the "-ve" worked...I need to use a larger buffer (1024) to run the stuff I like to run. Then I needed to adjust for the clock being sent to the LFOs/sequencer of the hardware synth and adjust for the MIDI notes that where sent to the same synth so the note triggering would be for example, right on time with a square or S&H LFO.
    Add to that the fact that the more audio tracks that where added later as I progressed in the project with UAD plug ins and other oversampling plug ins, latency got so bad that tweaking knobs when recording audio whilst the synth was being played from a MIDI clip, would make things just, unusable.
    Stopped using External Instrument, monitored only from UAD's direct monitoring, all problems gone. I know everyone's praising the thing and its obviious on the video that it works, but it never worked for me, it actually made things worse.

  • @uniquekillerz
    @uniquekillerz 4 года назад

    I'm a new subscriber to your channel. I really enjoy your presentation and find your examples easy to follow. Some can get deep too quick and lose me.
    Keep it up.

  • @fabiencortial9850
    @fabiencortial9850 2 года назад

    Much appreciated, now I know how to fix what I was simply ignoring 😀

  • @noobashegg
    @noobashegg 4 года назад

    insanely helpful video man, thank you so much

  • @MadelnMachines
    @MadelnMachines Год назад

    This is so incredibly useful - i've always had problems integrating hardware with my DAW. What about clocking / sync and jitter? There are plenty of videos out there recommending ERM multiclock but i'm not sure if I really need to be spending £200 or £500 just to get things to sync reliably? I've also seen devices like Midironome, Midiburner, JMK Clockstep, Expert Sleepers UASMO, innerclock systems, maybe iconnectivity and motu midi interfaces also do this. The new arturia 16 rig interface interests me and it also has midi clock out. Many of them work by sending out pulses from your DAW to create sample accurate timing. Do I need this kind of thing?
    Also if you use a ultralow latency interfaces like an RME or thunderbolt like a quantum that do 2 or 3ms RTL does this vastly improve things and make all this a lot easier, or does it all need to be adjusted and compensated in the same way anyway, so you're not really gaining anything apart from different compensation numbers?

  • @Ladivmusic
    @Ladivmusic 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks man! Helped me so much!

  • @Omnipotent645
    @Omnipotent645 Год назад

    Great Tutorial on latency! I got a question at 9:39: If you would freeze and flatten the track instead of resampling it, wouldnt it also capture your fx chain without latency though?

  • @sdsmack1
    @sdsmack1 11 месяцев назад

    Great tutorial 👌

  • @mundelator
    @mundelator 2 года назад

    This is so helpful, thanks 🙏

  • @homerbailon1
    @homerbailon1 2 года назад

    Really useful this video! Do you have any other video about recording hardware with a in-built sequencer with no latency at the same time you monitor the synth? Without external instrument plugin.

  • @deadnicetv7720
    @deadnicetv7720 3 года назад

    Great tutorial man ✌️🎶🎶🎶😁

  • @harrisfrankou2368
    @harrisfrankou2368 4 года назад

    Any chance of a Video on Outboard gear through a DAW as a Send Return?

  • @AmbientMusicStudio
    @AmbientMusicStudio 4 года назад

    Great description. Very helpful.

  • @frankcoffey
    @frankcoffey 3 года назад

    Seems like you could also use external instrument for virtual instruments hosted on another machine and patched to your audio interface on the Ableton machine. Some studios use a second computer just for virtual instruments. Some VSTis even have a built in host so they can run "live" without a host. Having that "synth computer" really takes a strain off your DAW. It can also be an iPad or phone for that matter.

  • @mske903
    @mske903 Год назад

    the latency also depends on the sample rate setting in Ableton. the higher it is, for example 96k the less will be latency. but this also has its downside, Ableton and VST Plugins need more CPU power! btw, i own the Peak too. it's a powerful synth i really love it!

  • @anthonym2771
    @anthonym2771 2 года назад

    this was super helpful thank you, does this mean you dont need to do any driver error compensation (looping out and back into the interface etc)???
    Thanks

  • @polarnj
    @polarnj 2 года назад

    Definitely the only channel I know of where I can very frequently find the answers I need re Ableton. But I’ve really been wondering how to better integrate my iPad as an external outboard piece of gear without latency and I’ve had a hunch the External Instrument or Effect devices in Ableton are they key to that…I would really love to know ANYTHING about anyone else’s workflow who uses an iPad or iPhone in their studio setup…
    WAITTTTT I shoulda watched the whole video first lol So I’m assuming I can route the audio n midi from/to the iPAd the same way you routed the Peak and I should be ok? Maybe use External Effect if I’m processing audio on iPad app and External Instrument if I’m using it to gen sound? Anyway this was crazy informative as an education on latency in general. I am however having a sudden issue with my midi controllers latency

  • @graysynther2169
    @graysynther2169 Год назад

    Good vid..well described sir.

  • @rodneywood3399
    @rodneywood3399 2 года назад

    I really enjoy hearing your videos and would relish your comments on how a roland fantom07 and ableton lite11 work together, because the number of times the program crashes is ridiculous. I prefer linux and associated daws but had to use windows to run ableton and of course roland only support a couple of daws on their keyboard, but IMO it totally is not worth going back to windows. Any thoughts?

  • @nigelstanford4945
    @nigelstanford4945 4 года назад

    Hello! Thanks for the video. Having this exact problem (with a novation 49key mk3 controller).
    Question: where does the 'audio interface' come from (around 1:40)? Is that something separate from Ableton that I have to buy/download?
    Thanks,
    Nigel

    • @arjanpetersen
      @arjanpetersen 4 года назад

      It is uad apollo. 1500 dollars or so

  • @HelicopterRidesForCommunists
    @HelicopterRidesForCommunists 3 года назад

    Really good stuff.

  • @andrejkobal
    @andrejkobal 3 года назад

    Hi, thanks for the fantastic explanation. Now everything is more clear to me about routing MIDI Out of Ableton and recording it. Anyway, one thing that I still struggle with is how to use external MIDI sequencers with live. So that Ableton will receive MIDI. In concrete, I use an iPad wit Ableton Link and I’m trying to send MIDI sequences from iPad to Ableton but I’m getting none synchronised results. IOS has some excellent Generative sequencers, but it is a pain to sync things together with Live. So I was wondering if you could maybe explain this maybe in an upcoming video or give any clue how to handle this. Thanks! And thanks for this Amazing video.

  • @deveyousness
    @deveyousness 2 года назад

    Ok, youve blown my mind here. Could you theoretically have all soft synths take advantage of this also? A million mile long fx chain and still be perfect in time every time

  • @KillLightuk
    @KillLightuk 2 года назад

    Great video. Please can you help, I’m having awful trouble with syncing sound design to video. The render is always out of time compared to watching within Ableton. It’s ridiculous but apparently video is never delay compensated.. can you think of a work around?

  • @seancharles8461
    @seancharles8461 4 года назад

    This was awesome! Thank you! If you could explore some chains for synth, that would be great!

  • @mrchedda
    @mrchedda 6 месяцев назад

    Great content though is there a way to achieve the same thing with a soft synth versus a hardware synth? Getting so much delay when trying to play midi when plugins are enabled. Thanks in advance for any help!

  • @willynillybebop
    @willynillybebop 3 года назад

    Can you do a video like this about the Roland Handsonic hpd-20 or something USB related? I use the USB output on the Handsonic, but it actually records the audio of it and carries a ton of latency

  • @finonomastropiero4261
    @finonomastropiero4261 4 года назад

    Yeeeeeesss!!!! Fundamental videooos!!! Wuu

  • @Edgerrin23
    @Edgerrin23 3 года назад

    Hey, could you tell us your routing? The Apollo doesn't have a midi out. So how are you trigger the peak with midi? A usb midi host or how do you do it?
    Thanks

  • @felixdorn21
    @felixdorn21 Год назад

    Hey Dude! Nice Video 👍🏻 i got the problem that Ableton sets the recorded track to much further up front! Like negative latency 😅 and I need to figure out why that happens and how to correct that. Could you help me out? Best regards from Switzerland 🇨🇭

  • @osovitor28
    @osovitor28 3 года назад +1

    This is really helpful thanks but, when you have a plug and play interface this trick isn't work. The way I found was sending my signal flow trough the Ext.Out while I playing or recording, for example Output Arcade or any external software instrument. See you!.

  • @harrisfrankou2368
    @harrisfrankou2368 4 года назад

    Great Video

  • @thomasmilet2879
    @thomasmilet2879 3 года назад

    Legend. Thx.