I used to think I was good at Math until I sat next to a really brilliant girl in Probability class. I realized I was just a manipulator of data and not a great thinker. It was a blow but I survived. A reality check is always good. The girl who was brilliant was also very beautiful. A double whammy.
I know people, who are far smarter than me, who know people, who are far smarter than them, who still avoid certain areas of mathematics, because they are too hard. Taking math classes really shows you how much room there is for higher intelligence. I must be well above average, but compared to some people in the classes I took, I'm like a chimp with clothes on.
probability sux and i will not stand for it. I just can't do it, too many numbers, however i can do calculus better than i can cook pasta; like our ol man peterson said here there can be many kinds of brightness.
Taxtro the thing with math, is that it is 80% work and 20% is talent. Now if the people you know, who are smarter than you, know people who are smarter than them, this top category of people might simply have the reason that those people have relied on intelligence the entire time, since school hasn’t challenged them hard enough.
@@josh-brawlstars2870 That's sort of a bad way to think about it. It's more like a limiting factor. Like height in basketball. You have to be a certain height to play in the top leagues and more height helps. But being tall alone doesn't make you a basketball player.
I can memorize a string of thousands of numbers instantly. Those numbers just have to be short, and in sequence.... 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17... and so on. There I'm a genius
Dr. Peterson said "There's one way of not being very bright; but there's multiple ways of being bright." This reminds me of how Tolstoy said, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
At the basic level he is saying. There is very little difference between the parts of something, call it G. You can break this down as much as you like, but in the end the difference between the "parts" is so small, that it is in fact the same thing be measured. So the test of recalling numbers, a part of IQ/G will be a great predictor for what IQ/G is.
but how much time do we have.Everyone knows their phone number isn't it which means everyone know at least 10 digits long series of number. @Daniele Niccoli
Me: watches Jordan Peterson thinking he's gonna say IQ doesn't matter much in the real world Jordan Peterson: welp it determines your long-term life success Me: cries in avg iq
While IQ is indeed a major factor, it is not the only one. And average people do run small sized businesses with decent profit. Also keep in mind that there are a lot of drawbacks if you possess a very high IQ. Research it.
He says in another video that IQ is by far not everything. If you dont put in the hard the work to educate yourself or improve yourself otherwise you probalby dont have a big long-term life sucess. Of course its better to have a high IQ but dont use is as an excuse, there will alway be someone smarter than you.
Not true, depends on what company you are running ( or job ). As for example, people with high IQ tend to have less of an EQ ( Emotional Intelligence), which is Key in certain aspects like for example ; a sales person, or whatever job you have to „manipulate“ people or just have to socialice for a living. And i am not speaking babysitter or whatever. I am talking high status jobs. Which leads me to the point again -> succed at what makes you happy and what’s important to you. Not everybody should and can be Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or whatever.
I've taken a couple of psychology classes in college. The first one I wasn't very interested in, I did well in it but I really didn't enjoy it very much. Jordan Peterson really made this psychology come alive for me; the subject has been way more fun to study than it was before finding him. I wish more professors were like him!
Memory like that is different to working memory, (the size of your hard disk compared to your RAM) not that ever are a solid indicator of Qi like he claims
@@owenbevt3 But then doesn't that mean working memory=RAM and IQ=GPU, So "working memory =/= IQ" But you need both to perform certain task. lack in one another result in bad task, make it easily to confuse and think they're the same.
@@redhgffdsgd1605 Using your analogy, IQ is like the spec of human computers. If you have good RAM, most likely you have a good machine. Personally, I don't think that makes the most sense from the g-factor breakup mathematically (e.g. story recall has a higher coefficient when factoring in one level above), but it sheds light on the fundamental idea. A good machine can have a lot of things -- good CPU/GPU, good RAM, good SSD, maybe some good monitor and mechanical keyboard too. But a crappy machine usually has crappiness across the board, and I think that's the major point here -- you can't be a (really) smart person if you can't even memorize some random numbers.
That's too often the fault of the instructors. I tutor students in math at the local college. Most of them have recently graduated high school and have passed algebra. Yet these students are functionally illiterate in math. Must be that participation trophy generation.
he is right about many things but , most of what he says is incomplete , especially in terms of full definitions of particular mechanisms and even concepts .
@@sweetschannel7564 also what i meant by incomplete is his general definitions of things , though consistent they rarely are reinforced by every major factors , or sources , most of the work done around those subjects are statistical , and separated from actual mechanisms and processes , it means we use only results without context of basis , in order to understand truth we have to answer on every question what , why and how
@@gmchessplay9043 so we should be lucky because he produced some videos? And from these videos what information do you apply in real life? We should be lucky because unknown scientists work hard and improve medicine etc. This guy just talks about concepts that might be interesting but not that useful...
MajinHico Well the application of his knowledge is entirely up to the individual. It appears to me that you have a particular distaste for psychology and philosophy and history, seeing as how those are the major components of his teachings. Would you prefer everyone on the planet be a brilliant medical physician? Is that the only way someone can be useful? That is what you are arguing.
@@gmchessplay9043 On the contrary, I feel no distaste for these fields, however information that is given should be important, not just a scientific curiosity. There are lot of useful information in the fields of history, philosophy and psychology. Unfortunately most of information given by Peterson is not applicable and people watch him mostly for entertainment.
I don't hate it. I just see it as *appallingly* false... *So...* Jokes aside. There isn't sufficient evidence to prove the existence of the G-Factor. Therefore everything that bases itself on this premise is not necessarily true, therefore, a fallacy.
@@Mhurilo10 Just because something isn't necessarily true doesn't mean it's a fallacy. Hasn't G-Factor got so much evidence for it's existence you can make fairly reliable predictions based on it?
My graduate advisor is one of the pioneers of working memory research, specifically individual differences in working memory capacity. Saying that working memory capacity and fluid intelligence are basically isomorphic is ignoring the differences between them. Sure, they share roughly half their variance at the latent level (meaning a correlation of r = .70), but that’s not the same as a correlation of 1. Some of our lab’s recent work has focused on the differences, and we argue that the reason they aren’t the same is that working memory capacity and fluid intelligence reflect separate mechanisms (WMC = maintenance of relevant information, task-sets, and goals, particularly in the face of interference and distration; and gF = disengagement of previously relevant but now irrelevant information). The reason they are strongly correlated is that they both require top-down executive attention in the form of attention control (which manages behavior and flow of information more generally, thus in service of both maintenance and disengagement). In other words, the ability to control your attention is actually the most important (aka fundamental) cognitive marker, not working memory and/or fluid intelligence. We also think the concept of g and positive manifold might be explained via attentional mechanisms.
@@bsg806 Our lab's webpage is: englelab.gatech.edu/index All our publications are available for download on that site. The ones on the maintenance/disengagement theory are Shipstead et al. (2016), Mashburn et al. (2020) and Martin et al. (2019). Also relevant are recent papers about attention control - Burgoyne & Engle (2020), Martin et al. (2020), and Draheim et al. (2021).
@@superdog797 At the general level and for a neurotypical individual, you probably can't - or at least we don't know how (similar to how we don't know how to improve working memory capacity or intelligence). There are some interventions for clinical populations though. Also, there have been a few studies showing that you can train more specific things related to attention control, such as motor inhibition (which reduces gambling risk and results in healthier food decisions, for instance). More research is needed, especially in regard to training attention-related abilities and strategies. I think one of the more promising areas is to teach people to be less impulsive and more deliberate in their actions (that is, slow down to increase accuracy/decision making). We recently submitted a manuscript which discusses some of these topics. If you're interested, the section on cognitive training begins on p. 37 (psyarxiv.com/9ekpu/).
Intelligence has been defined in many ways: the capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving. An outstanding memory doesn't seem to be required. If a genius needs some info she has forgotten, she picks up a reference book and refreshes her memory.
Yeah. The size of your working memory really doesn't matter as much if you can store and retrieve the relevant information regardless. If you can break the whole complex project into small pieces you can work on individually, and identify efficient association mechanisms between them, you'll complete the whole work eventually. A larger working memory allows you to potentially complete more of the work at once, and finish the overall work faster, though. Then there's the ability to draw from chaos to synthesize information on demand. If you're looking for creative solutions, it doesn't really matter if your ideas are "correct"; You're often just trying to synthesize antagonists to test the integrity of your existing structures.
it makes sense though, imagine trying to solve a problem when you are constantly having to check again the premises, it will be very difficult to make any progress due to loosing the thread again and again. You will be restarting and going around the same idea several times. Besides that, obviously its not the same as intelligence, but it is for sure, an important factor.
@@guidodinello1369 It doesn't make sense, at least in my case. But if we can find an exception that is so far from what's being said in the video, it raises the question if the idea is right. Or maybe I'm just different? ;p My memory is slightly below average. It's not too bad, but every test will confirm it. In geography class I had 4-5 from tests and 1 from maps (scale 1-5). Always. History dates? It took me longer to remember them than a rest, and it was still far from perfect. At some point I just gave it up. Yet, my analytics skills are outstanding - far above average. I won a few math/physics olimpics without any additional training.
@@Plajerity Oh thats iteresting man, but I think that what youre saying about history dates and geography has more to do with long-term memory and not with working memory. Maybe the first comment I made was a little bit confusing to be honest.
@@guidodinello1369 No, just my examples weren't too good. My long-term memory is actually... probably around average :) Hard to measure it. Both maps and dates are things that you repeat just before a test. But to give a better example... I've got migraines, during which it's hard for me to focus. I'm unable to write a code since I can't remember the variable names I just wrote 2 lines ago, forgetting about adding something, etc. There was like 3 A.M, I'm tired, can't sleep, can't work. I took IQ test just to check how bad the result will be. It was a standard raven's progressive matrices. 152. The result seems very unlikely - I few years before that I took a similar test and scored just above 140, being fully concious. I don't think that 20 matrices can show reliable score, especially as the maximum score was 160 - so I probably did one mistake, it gives a huge variance. Still, we can assume that my working memory didn't have an impact on this test.
Did the MENSA home test: absolute doddle, finished every section in about half the allocated time. Went up to the city to do the invigilated test: didn't complete any section, have never worked so hard in my life, came out sweating and utterly wiped out, absolutely certain I'd failed by a wide margin. The delta on the two results: less than 0.5 %! What Dr Peterson is saying here fits me perfectly.
@@mateuss2690 I would say the WAIS test is more accurate, because there's a variety of methods that could be used to identify someone's intellect, and I find it more difficult. Also Mensa only uses pattern recognition I think but yeah, the link I've sent is not what you asked for but probably what you might be looking for.
I discovered what JP is saying in this video several years ago…. I just wasn't aware of it. I have a form of ptsd and ADD but the worst part about it is my poor short term memory…. I forget names easily, numbers easily, words easily, where I've parked…. The list goes on and on…. It's irritating and frustrating. And forget about getting any compassion from family, friends and co-workers, they have no patience for it. My solution to this problem is simplifying my life. Stripping away at non-essentials and reducing responsibilities. I also keep a journal as my artificial memory bank. But most effective of all, is lowering my expectations and ignoring the expectations placed upon me by the collective neurotics! LOL. It has greatly reduced my exhaustion, overload, anxiety and depression.
YES! Bullet journals are great. I used to journal a lot but learned to organize it then even before bullet journals became a thing because it was fine to dump it all out...but to look at it closer and grow as a person and evaluate it has to be organized. Do you meditate?
I am good at remembering phone numbers, but I do a trick. I don't just repeat them, I "type" them with my fingers, like I would type on a numeric keyboard. It helps my memory when I add movement to "raw" numbers.
Working memory is effected by stressors like shame, tiredness and trauma, I can personally attest to the fact that working memory and IQ are very different things, as the learning theory in the course I am presently studying also shows that working memory is a better predictor of successful achievement than IQ. It probably is not even helpful to know ones IQ, as a growth mindset is essential to learning new skills,
Stress and cortisol does indeed affect cognitive functioning if long term. In fact it shrinks and messes up the hippocampus ( associated with memory). See studies by Sapolsky on this. growth mindset won't affect your base level of speed of comprehension BUT it is a "neuroplasticity" mindset and attitude matters. In fact attitude is associated with neuroticism ( or not) of the Big5/6/hexaco. Your resistance to stress has to do with that measure. It's set a little bit, though the set point can be altered. ie.e you can slide on a small spectrum near what you were born with AND learn top down control and coping mechanisms associated with dorsal prefrontal cortex. I have ADHD and will always have emotional dysregulation, for instance, but have learned to pause, Birdseye and assess things whilst controlling breathing when it's bad You know another thing...exercise is magical for everything as is sleep and proper nutrition. When those are off it's harder to execute coping mechanisms even. Anyway I wish you well!
I heard that ADHD also brings issues with Working Memory, one of the reasons it’s hard to recall what is said in class even if your ears heard it. I find it hard to believe that people with ADHD are doomed with idiocy. Because of my ADHD I sometimes can’t remember what my family members say a second afterwards, even if we’re looking straight at each other, yet I have an IQ of exactly 130. Does it simply hinder my potential, meaning with a better functioning Working Memory I could of reached 140 or 150 IQ? I’m simply curious.
No. People who are highly intelligent tend to be highly intelligent in a lot of areas, out of which working memory is the most common. This means looking at working memory is a good way to predict intelligence through probability but it's still just a correlation and not an inherent causation.
To better answer your question, yes your score at an IQ test could be higher without your ADHD, but you gotta remind aswell that actual IQ test are very limited in terms of evaluating intelligence. They mostly evaluate academic intelligence and if thats a type of thing you rly have no engage in it, you d probably have lower result just by not being as much devoted to it than someone else might be..
Yes ADHD working memory is a real ass in the pain, i have to force myself to remember stuff. Regarding your IQ score, don't believe in these tests. They mean nothing. The world will catch up on this in 20 years. But i already let you know now.
From retrospection - I realized that it's not bad memory at all. It's that my mind connects every piece of information received ― to countless other information and tries to see all the possibilities. This type of brain is best for a constant progress into new horizons; not a carrier in a complex chaotic dynamic environment; especially where you need to recall things at the right time. Also - try to use Zen. You require an engaging factor to keep your focus (like in a conversation). In Zen - you try to keep an absolute holistic awareness on AND connection to - your experience. And of course - Meditation is a must, in general.
What I learned in my life is that if a subject/field truly interests you, it's enough if you see the information even only once. You will remember it without having to learn/memorize it. The less interest you have in something, the harder it will be for you to memorize it. Me for example, I made the greatest discovery on Earth by finding/solving the universe equation and I don't even know my IQ. I don't waste my time for such bs. Just do what you do best!
And if you’re interested in something enough, your mind is bound to repeat the idea/or rethinking it and develop your understanding on it, so it makes sense.
If IQ is a 0.5 correlation with life success, as Peterson states here, that still means that half of your level of success is attributable to things that are not IQ. May it may also mean that in half of the people sampled their IQ was not what brought them success? For example, if someone has a musical IQ off the charts (perfect pitch, high level of musical recall and knowledge, incredible skill, improvisational ability), but they choose to work as, say, a garbage man, their IQ would have virtually 0 correlation with their life success. What's determining their life success in that case is virtually everything besides their IQ. The interesting point I'm trying to bring up here is that this data can lead to completely opposite conclusions, depending on what it _actually_ means. If it means half your success comes from your IQ, then that means your total success depends on the portion that corresponds to IQ plus your own efforts and other factors you experience. If it means that half of the _people surveyed_ have success that is virtually fully attributable to their IQ, then that means that there are massive numbers of successful people whose IQ had no dispositive impact on their success. In one situation, we see, IQ is very deterministic. In another, it has virtually no influence. So which is it?
I think you misinterpreted what Peterson said. He said that working memory has a 0.5 correlation with life time success (and then again working memory is heavily correlated with iq). I would imagine that iq is even more than a 0.5 correlation with life time success.
@@jkbmrlk4930 You're true that here Peterson seems to say (at the end) that there is a 0.5 correlation with life success and working memory, and that the working memory test he gives is correlated strongly with IQ. So I accept the clarification. However it is also true (see here after minute 4: ruclips.net/video/jSo5v5t4OQM/видео.html ) that Peterson has stated IQ predicts "as much as" about half your success ("0.5 and maybe 0.6") in "high-performance jobs." What exactly this implies overall isn't clear. However, if you look at some literature (see dated but relevant 1998 paper: web.archive.org/web/20140602034440/www.moityca.com.br/pdfs/SchmidteHunter1998.pdf ) you find that job success prediction with _both_ GMA (General Mental Ability test, i.e. IQ test) and either an integrity test or a job interview doesn't exceed a "composite validity" of 0.65 at best. And that's two variables, one of which is basically IQ. So I would argue that the idea you're going to get much better than 0.5 or 0.6 predictability based on IQ alone may not hold water. Obviously this is a limited analysis, but I also think it's quite reasonable.
There's no such thing as IQ anyway. It cannot be modelled mathematically meaning you can't define it with logical rigour. I cannot accept it as science because it's not and no one with common sense will either. IQ is a joke.
@@achyuththouta6957 Well IQ just means how likely someone is to score on particular kinds of tests. And it's a highly reproducible phenomenon in pretty much any relevant respect. Give someone an IQ test and their score just won't vary much in a statistically significant way. Furthermore these tests can be well-controlled for bias etc. using statistical methods. I think it's certainly a legitimate concept. The degree to which we should use it for anything is a different question...
Some people boast with the message they have a high IQ. Many of those are at the same time crippled by depression and anxiety ... IQ doesn't mean shit in a certain range, action does.
@@5idi well mine is lower at 135 which is called the 'sweet spot' but similar to you all it does is make me look like an outsider who has very less friends.
@@5idi Well all the articles I have read seem to say that 130 to 140 is the sweet spot as you are 'highly intelligent' and can also socialise fairly well. But I agree with you
Lol no I think g fully developes to whatever determined by your heredity by like early 20's and then you get dumber and I guess weight training slows that down
@le Zanji bullshit. You can't increase it, or make yourself more intelligent. the IQ is a rough indicator-score of the individual's brain processing power. But, even though there are all those memorisation tasks, and various mobile apps, that supposedly help you increase your IQ.....it won't increase. Those apps don't do anything. You just get better at doing similar tasks with certain repetitive patterns, and that's it. (JP spoke about it in the same lecture btw) So yeah, IQ is kinda bullshit, and it cannot be increased during lifetime. (or at least certainly not after the age of ~22-25ish, when human body stops fully developing) Its not that you can't work around it, and, say, become an engineer with IQ of a 100, but it will just be very, very hard.
Anxiety destroys memory and analytical ability. Whatever is causing the anxiety or nervousness is taking priority. It could just be being self conscious ( afraid of failure is a self fulfilling prophecy) or some other unresolved issue.
Dr J has a vast range of knowledge, and I personally appreciate his work and the depth of logic associated, in a manner that’s informing. For some who consider it dry is the challenge drs face always. - True Fan
@@guyberlivanthuijl7839 where i Go to Uni we get pretty much all books for under 20€ and the PDF for free. Thats mostly why i was so baffeled at the price of the book. But i will propably look into the free sources people suggested like Libgen
He's mentioned memory and IQ in a couple of his clips. I first heard of a series of techniques of memory retention by the use of mnemonics because I had read some books concerning Vaudeville memory acts where the star would obtain a working memory of his or her entire audience by shaking their hands and asking their names and what they did for a living when they entered the auditorium. Later the audience would've been wowed by the star's onstage performance. I had gone down to the local Public Library and looked up the subject and had found out that some of the greatest BCE Greek orators used similar techniques. Later I had read some other books about gamblers who had been gifted by nature to have really good memories or folks that had practiced and practiced to have mnemonic memories and were also professional gamblers. There are a number of books about how to acquire their own useful short-term memories, 'Moon Walking with Einstein,' is one of the more recent books.
@@marquised7037 there's no such thing as IQ. There's no mathematics proving that IQ exists. It's nothing but a scam. Look into the history of IQ. There was no mathematics done. I cannot accept it as science and no one with common sense will.
@@juditkiss4351 trainable? Not sure, it might be but to a certain extent. But Iq is half genetic and half environmental, and you can control a proportion of your environment. So you can increase it I think.
Important point!! From Carl Jung's findings on psychological types: Introverted SENSING, that JP has, is the memory he is praising, the remembering facts, numbers, names, etc. But introverted INTUITION does not function that way at all. It is highly abstract.
Idk, I'm sceptical of this bring the whole story. Just cause there are techniques you can practise to keep more numbers in your head. But it's known that you can't increase your IQ sooo... 😶
@@newbooksmell4163 Its a true story. As a child i was very smart. Being 12 year old i was best in my class, when it was going about mathematics - i dont solved the excesises - i could see answer. Once i reverse enginered a trick with cards, based on cifer matrices, in one night. In my 20ties i did IQ test and was found "visionary mathematician genius". Why "visionary" - because i dont understand english no word at time. In my late 20ties i joined university and was forced to learn a bit english. In my 30 thies my dothers provocked my to undergo IQ test again - for my surprise i added another 16 points. I think studies in the university, including those of formal logic rules, contributed to this more, than my "engrish".
Jason Lee don’t worry.. I’ve memorized each of my family’s WiFi passwords to heart within a couple times of seeing them my whole life and I still live with my parents and not a lot going for me at 25 lol
mate long term and short term memory and actual intelligence is not the same thing , it does have connection / correlation with ... but it's not true refection of .
@@alacastersoi8265 The source is that ADHD doesn't effect IQ. But it does effect working memory. But with nurotypical (Normal) people working memory is a good indicator but not the reason for someones IQ
Many people hate to admit that there is a difference in IQ in people, and worse there is only one measure of IQ not 7 or 8 types. Even more sensitive question is how much of the g factor is inherited vs environmental.
yea but IQ is a function of culture. its half - HOW - youre raised Not just simply genetic. Not only that, You could have this massive potential and then be socialized into laziness due to culture as well. This is why its important to have great people around you
@@ben_alfred it’s not genetics it’s upbringing. Or culture . The ability to problem solve is not a genetic trait it’s a characteristic from personality. Social conditions drive personality. Nurture not nature. This is why all races of people born affluent within the same area inherently have the same range of iq. And all races that are poor have the same deficiency. We are creatures of habit
@@relly793 actually, literally every one of the statements that you just put forth are empirically and demonstrably false. the studies have been done; you only need to look them up. adopted children bare more resemblance in intelligence to their biological parents after adolescence. twins that have grown up apart grow closer in iq as they age. as far as the racial differences go… I’ll leave you to come to your own conclusions, but would implore you to thoroughly examine the literature beforehand.
@@relly793 also, it’s very clear that intelligence is genetically based. evolutionarily speaking, it would not have been possible for us to abstract out concepts, use language and solve problems if the trait had not been refined through natural and sexual selection.
Working memory is not just remembering a phone number. Working memory is the ability to not only hold information in mind, but the ability to manipulate. A better example of working memory is taking that phone number and repeating backwards to someone.
I used to memorise a 32 number string in order to dial up our central computer back in the days (mid to late 90s) when we had dial up comms. Not sure that makes me particularly intelligent as it was very frustrating if you screwed the sequence, so there was very high incentive to get the number right
you can memorise with low iq, what jordan means is you being able to hold all those 32 in a sequence visually in your head and not feeling slight unease
Working memory isn’t about long-term retention or memorization. It’s about actively holding information in consciousness in a highly activated state and being able to manipulate that information in service of goal-directed behavior, particularly in the face of distraction or interference. The amount of “chunks” of information most people can hold in working memory (aka their WM capacity) is usually around only 3-5. Note it you’re just rehearsing, say, a phone number then that’s short-term memory but not working memory, and short-term memory’s capacity is about double that of WM. The timescale for short-term/working memory is seconds, possibly minutes. Once you “memorize” or “recall” something, you’re now in the realm of long-term memory, which virtually has an infinite capacity.
My working memory is average, but I'm high iq. I was told by the Dr who evaluated me that to me my working memory feels like garbage bc my other stuff is well above average. There are many many factors that go into iq and some may be better than others it's about finding the best way to utilize YOUR specific neurology for you. True intelligence is figuring out how to USE your iq
In grad school in multiple courses we have talked about the different theories of intelligence. No one has ever brought up this correlation. I wish I would have watched this video before those classes.
The only thing you can do is give your maximum effort, everything else you don't control. It requires training to achieve mastery in anything regardless of biological intelligence.
As an engineer Ive purposely trained myself NOT to memorize numbers so as not to try to recall numbers from memory instead of looking them up...too easy to make costly mistakes pulling numbers from memory. (But I do remember Pi to 10 decimal places.). Einstein said “Never commit to memory that which you can look up.” Save your working memory for more important tasks, like conceptualization.
@@docholiday7758 I think I've done that to some extent but I don't have much memory of the vacations I went or things I saw or various events as well as others. I can remember things I might have images of which I can see from them to time
@@siddhant49 That sounds alot like my memory. Some people have memories like a continuous movie, whereas mine has always tended to be like a photo album with lots of pages missing. Except when it comes to technical things, then I have a much more complete movie. Maybe because more of my brain was engaged in problem solving and creativity. Ive recently learned a new language which gave my working memory a good workout.
I scored 82. However, I love to read. Enjoy working, discovering, doing research. Love life, improving myself, really respect others. Take pride in my work. Human personality fasanates me and the human condition. Might be an 82, I'm ok, I'm very productive, and happy
We did a memorization game in my high-school psychology class, I came into class freshly stoned from lunch. For the test the teacher read off 30 numbers. As he read them I made little jingles for that were segmented into 6 numbers each. Out of the 30 I remembered 28, flipping 2 of the numbers. I think music has the ability to improve memory, at least for myself.
I agree that you can abstract out parts of intelligence but I don't think remembering numbers counts as intelligence. You can train to recall sequences. I think its generally more accurate to say that the better you can abstract things but also differentiate things the better. Like how low intelligent individuals always consider people as either dumb or smart. As you go up the scale it becomes more and more a case of what are people smart at. One way to be dumb, many ways to be smart. It's not useful to abstract everything down to the root "most people are dumb" it's more useful to say "We have many industries. We have many workers. Not all those workers will be perfect but some will be exceptional". Even the process of abstracting to multiple levels, the structure of society, takes some thought but overall it's much more useful.
@@nathanielwoodbury2692 If you really had a high IQ you would have understood that the co-relation is not 1, so your memory retention doesn't always allign perfectly with fluid intelligence. Jordan also mentioned that the higher your IQ, the lower the corelations are.
he didn't say remembering numbers counted as intelligence, he said it was good predictor. either way most of these abstractions can become concrete ideas in your head if you work hard enough. people with lower IQs just have to work harder unfortunately. I'd just rather not know mine so I don't have any excuses if it's a number I don't like
See this is one of the problems with AI dumbing people down as a teenager I had about 50 phone numbers memorized easily but now people don't need to remember because the info is stored in their phone that they carry everywhere. People want an app for everything can't cook they have a food delivery app can't spell autocorrect does that etc.
Go to jail and your number memorization game will improve quickly 😆 ..I know the numbers of people closest to me because you never know what emergency might happen where your phone is unavailable
I never could spell! I'm so bad I have often wondered if I might have mild dyslexia. On a side note. The asshole who named the condition dyslexia was an epic troll.
one day my company decided to assess around 5000 peoples in same age range. I got into one room with some familiar faces, yep the uppers pretty much knew each other. I started wondering whether this have something to do with human instinct to group up with your equal.
High IQ is indeed important. Infact a High person tends to be great not only in academics but also have great sense of empathy and tolerance. For example there was this low IQ guy with Name Mom... in desertland that suffered from hallucinations and created one of the most devastating cult that was responsible for genocide of millions of Hindus over centuries.
He did not answer the duration of how long does one has to remember the numbers? I can remember a 12 digit number, but for how long do I have to remember it?
While it makes sense that working memory has a high correlation to IQ in neurotypical people, i don’t think it fully applies to people with ADHD, Autism, Bipolar, etc. This is probably why most ppl often mistake non-neurotypical ppl as dumb when really they can easily have high IQ.
You completely misunderstood the content. Those are social/personality disorders. The correlation between personality and IQ is very low. People think those who have social/personality disabilities are dumb because they are different. The people who think that are themselves idiots.
His point is a simplification at best, but you're right in that many neurodevelopmental disorders are associated with specific weaker cognitive abilities. At a glance, Autism is associated with weaker spatial working memory (i.e. shapes, not numbers) and from memory, ADHD relates to poor working memory but high processing speed, depending on the subtype (inattentive/hyperactive/both). People thinking non-neurotypical are inherently dumb is usually an assessment based on impressions though, not test scores
Wow how many comments recently, its rare case of yt algorithm revamping position or something like that Like many of you yt recommended me this video too lol 2020
Nope. You cannot abstract a complex neural system/network by just one factor. To determine your long-term success you need to differentiate between specialized and general-purpose skills. From there it is just practice, starting in childhood. Some are lucky to train the network in an abstract direction, a real shortcut is natural science. But there are many other ways to be successful by specialization in your native direction. Some people have a very selective thought process: they can hold in memory many facts that matter to them (ca. 10000 music notes) and instantly forget others that don't matter (such as individual numbers). If they never had the chance to play a musical instrument, they'd never discovered this. So YEA, from his very simplistic perspective he's right, but everything gets complicated when you dig into it.
Like most things in life it's all relative. there is 2 men 1 is a builder that can build a house and the other is a teacher with a phd that can not build a house, who is smarter the builder or the teacher. neither it don't bloody matter in the grand scheme of things. "It is what it is"
I feel like I know a sizeable amount of people with great memories who aren't that bright. It's possible that this is some other type of memory than working memory though.
"Some recent philosophers seem to have given their moral approval to these deplorable verdicts that affirm that the intelligence of an individual is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be augmented. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we will try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing." Alfred Binet, the creator of the IQ test
i had to check that quote, to see if it were true. and, it is. so, Binet had a belief in the 'unlimited potential' of the human mind...and then, he was truly awoken...
It's just my anectodal experience, but I honestly never saw people change how smart they are over time. If IQ can indeed change than I would expect people to get smarter if they engage in more cognitive demanding tasks (and viceversa). I'm in STEM and I know people who aren't incredibly bright (far from saying they are stupid, but they aren't geniuses either), but they are very committed and work very hard to get on in the field, yet they look the same to me cognitively even if know them from the beginning. I could say the same for myself, I don't think I've grown more intelligent since I started university (I've grown more committed to study, which raised my grades, but that's not intelligence)
@0392039r9w0 that's some nice internet psychology you're doing. What a lot of true information you extracted of my personal behaviour and attributes you accurately figured out. Obvious troll.
How can you measure the IQ correctly tho? I scored 135 in the Mensa IQ and a couple days after scored 107 on the IQ champion test. Well, it's because I didn't skip the questions that took more time to figure out in the IQ champion test. Tip: In order to get a most accurate IQ score, you gotta skip the question if it takes you more than 60 seconds to think about. You can come back to it after you go through all of the questions.
I D sure, because if it WORKED, EVERYBODY WOULDN'T BE USING IT. Seriously, that's why you can tell that THERE ARE NO SECRETS out there:.. if something's good, EVERYONE WOULD KNOW IT.
Smarts are just like playing instruments. If you're not exposed to a particular instrument or any instrument who will know that you would have been a genius at that instrument. What a person is exposed to determines the interest
The fact that 100 questions broken into two groups (correlated and not correlated) is very interesting, but not surprising. Human minds are general thinking machines and each mind has a certain threshold of conceptual difficulty to be able to grasp.
I had poor memory until I forced myself to learn a bunch of different programming languages. I remembered my daughter's new phone number from hearing it one time. Same with the new wifi password. I used to have trouble remembering my own passwords, but now it's just there. I don't need to repeat it in my head anymore.
@@eimantasjuska2390 I think that's just because you dont need to now. when I was a kid, cell phones were for wealthy businessmen... you needed to remember numbers. Now we all have a second brain in our pockets, so our first one is slacking off lol
Depending on the test I tend to score 125-127 on most IQ tests. I've worked in the military, private sector, and aerospace. Peterson still blows my mind in his lectures.
@Y10e .v1 if his response is serious then the only reasoning I can think of is that highly intelligent would find a way to make sense of misinformation though an average intelligent person will give up on it trying not to reason with the misinformation since it seems too unreal. Hopefully I make sense lol.
I know plenty of people with high IQ's but can't use their abilities to benefit themselves because of the traumatic parenting they received. So they don't try, they don't aim high, they don't go for opportunities that would suit them and make their lives better. However much, you say they can they believe they can't. IQ is the potential, it is not the key to a good life necessarily. A lower IQ person in a good household on average can achieve much more than a person with a high IQ brought up in a terrible household. The programming at an early age stays for life or takes such intensive counseling to remove, even if that is possible. By then so many years or decades will have passed. It is very sad unfortunately. Hopefully, in due course there will be psychiatric testing to determine who can have children and or look after children.
IQ is undoubtedly important and a huge factor in both ability and success. From a clinical standpoint, IQ is immensely important so we can better understand how humans work and what they are capable of. In a military or schooling situation, IQ tests can help spot out people who are intellectually disabled and need help (as compared to those who are just lazy) and spot out people who are so smart they need to be put in higher grades/advanced classes (IQ will also determine which grade would be best for them). But I disagree with Peterson on whether or not you, as an individual, should care about IQ unless you are intellectually disabled (in which case, you wouldn't need an IQ test, you already know what you struggle with). IQ is the single strongest predictor of income, but it *only* explains 21% of the variation in income (it's most likely to be smaller than that, because IQ also mediates the relationship between other variables and income) -- and there are very few professions where it is impossible to achieve success without a high IQ. You can be a doctor with an average IQ. You could even be a physicist with an average IQ (there have been world class scientists who literally had average IQs). Put this way: You will most likely be on equal footing as someone with a high IQ but no work ethic and discipline (as long as you can maintain a work ethic and discipline). If you have above average levels of discipline and work ethic, you can even have an advantage over someone with a high IQ. There are just so many variables that go into play, like conscientiousness and emotional intelligence (not a clinical term to be clear) into success that disregarding your own potential because of a test score is silly. You may not actually be capable for a certain field for a variety of factors (incl. IQ) or you may realise that you will need to work 3x as hard as the average person in that field to keep up (and that may sound like a bad deal) -- but you can literally discover that on your own without knowing your IQ by testing your capabilities in a real-world situation. Standardised tests are actually a really good way to do this. Study for a standardised test in your chosen field, see how long it takes for you to say study for a medical exam, and what mark you get. Then compare your hours studied with the average med's students hours studied for the same test, and compare your marks. That's a super easy way to know.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker You judge an idea off the way it is presented? Interesting. Tell me, what's the point of your comment? See if you tell me I'm wrong, what I'm wrong about, and why, we can talk. but if you just tell me I'm wrong, you've helped nobody and provided nothing.
@@khuzaymahqureshi639 it doesn't matter. You write like that, it tires the person seeing it and so nobody reads it all throughout. In other words, you wasted your energy trying to make sense of something and nobody cares to spend time dealing with it.
maybe this way people will not condone that there are weak on intelligent. They will keep try to push themselves doing better and pay for sessions. Maybeeeee
@@keremayan452 Maybe. I think intellectual memory is quite handy though. Neurogenesis plays in, despite plasticity. Maybe it's the socialist idea of determinism over logos. I think people will keep trying freely despite knowing the given odds.
If people get to know the root of their problem/persona,- they won't keep coming back to the psychologist. Also telling people how simple we really are can be demotivating, bringing some people below their potential.
I went to random number generator & made a string of 15 numbers. After spending about 3 min trying to remember them I went & watches an unrelated RUclips video, went pee, ate some snacks, just generally trying to clean my active memory. Was still able to remember all 15 numbers so either this is bull crap or I'm smarter than Einstein which I doubt considering I'm a college drop out.
This working digits memory test, is it long-term or short-term? Cause I think you can easily work your momery and remember a 12-digit number for a short time but it would go away as time goes by if it's not an important thing to remember.
I took the WAIS IQ test a week ago. Out of the 4 sub categories, I scored over the 90th percentile in 3 of them, but in the 77th percentile for working memory. Makes sense to me because of all the weed I smoked in the past as well as having pretty severe mental illness and ADHD.
I have SDAM and Aphantasia which is lack of memories in most cases, inability to visual anything, and really bad memory (1%-2% population) but I think in the different way (always focus on "now" in thinking about past and future in very robotic way). And my IQ is on 125 even though I would forget immediately few digits. There are things not even Jordan Peterson is aware of with all due respect to him since he's one of the brightest minds in current history and I'm more than happy to listen to his words
Jordan : *talks about iq* Me : what is he talking about ? Jordan : *keeps talking about iq* Me: well i think my last 2 brain cells dont know what he is talking about therefore my iq is equal to 2
Interesting theory... I have a very high intelligence but I also have ADHD. As a result of this my working memory is garbage. This combination is extremely frustrating because I can understand extremely difficult concepts, but I can't keep them in my head long enough to complete the thoughts. It's like trying to nail jello to a tree and it's been torturing me my whole life.
Abstract are you asking me if I have a solution to my own problem? No. I’m 50 years old and I’ve been studying psychology since college trying to solve this problem. Ive had no luck and it’s driving me insane. And no, brain training apps don’t work. Neuroplasticity is definitely a thing, but I’ve never found a way to apply it to this particular problem.
I feel dr j roots scale and value for quality in a professional manner which I personally associate the same or similiar. Again Y I’m a fan Good work doc
I am confused because, I have always thought that memory can be improved, So if memory can be improved and memory directly correlates to intelligence then can iq be improved?
Long term memory is poorly correlated with fluid intelligence, whereas working memory is strongly correlated with fluid intelligence. It's no new news that IQ can improve, exercise, certain foods and chess can all contribute towards an increase in IQ. However, this is only if you have not yet reached your IQ potential, of which is determined by genetics.
'Memory', doesn't correlate with real intelligence. It's not even related to higher intelligence. See 'Working Memory' comparison and related information on this subject. The educational institutions has been lying to the masses since day one. Conscious people are far smarter than others because of (Abstract Reasoning) !!! And Abstract Giftedness!
There was a huge wave of research last decade trying to improve people’s intelligence by training working memory. One or two early studies showed the effect but subsequent research and meta-analyses failed to find any real effect, particularly when the studies are done properly with equated groups and active control groups. Turns out if you train people on working memory tasks they become better at those tasks, and HIGHLY related ones, but there is no evidence of transfer to fluid intelligence, and also little evidence that their working memory capacity has been increased. Unfortunately, a number of cognitive/brain training programs popped up (e.g., Lumosity, CogMed) and continue to sell this cognitive snake oil. Though, to be fair, there is some evidence that engaging in cognitively demanding mental work may slow down natural age-related cognitive declines. One fundamental issue with the WM training research is that people assume the working memory capacity-fluid intelligence relationship is causal such that higher WMC results in higher Gf. Truth is we don’t really know the nature of the relationship, and it’s probably more likely that a third variable causes both higher WMC and Gf. Our lab thinks that third factor is the ability to control attention, and interestingly we recently showed that attention control fully mediates (accounts for) the relationship between WMC and Gf. In other words, WMC and Gf do not correlate at all statistically speaking if you account for the influence (shared variance) of attention control on the WMC-Gf relationship. Attention control seems to mediate a whole other host of relationships between cognitive abilities, and we’re beginning to think that attention control is the most fundamental and important market of someone’s cognitive ability (and possibly the explanation for “g” and the reason for positive manifold).
IQ is strongly correlated with cardiovascular health, I have done my research. If you want to improve your working memory and IQ then meditate. The long term impact of meditation is higher oxygenation of the brain and correlates with as much as a 20% increase in IQ.
Not necessarily. The thing is that we are lunched into the middle of it with insufficient info. What do the Gs stand for? What does correlaroon measured? How is intelligence defined etc etc. In the different fields I've worked in each has its own lingo. I've sat thru multiple meetings were I was completely lost. Over time you learn the lingo and it all makes sense.
Honestly IQ doesn't matter at all. I have an IQ of 145. But that doesn't mean Iam good at studies. I usually end up in average section and I'm very bad in sports too. It's just the pattern recognition. Seriously believe me, when my IQ tests results came out my parents were like "how tf did this noob get top 1%". Really tho, it doesn't help much. Only consistency and hardwork matters. Hopefully I will get over my laziness :)
Yeah IQ doesn't matter much, here I am sitting on a billion dollars I made in a decade, oh yeah hard work, totally not my ability to recite entire fields of study in a few hours.
@Dnomyar Akunawik There's no mathematical framework that describes IQ. Fact. Keep living in your dreamland. In the real world there's no such thing as " IQ"
"psychologists hate this" I don't know any psychologist who thinks intelligence doesn't exist. Yet, I know many psychologists who have a clearer idea of the meaning of a correlation of .50 (likely in a crossectional study, longitudinal studies offer lower effect sizes). Selling a correlation of. 50 as something "huge" is simply misleading
Realizing the limits of your own intelligence and seeing someone go beyond where you can is one of the hardest pills to take.
true
And fascinating at the same time tbh
Huh
Don't even get me started😂
Lmao from ur profile name, I can feel u
extreme determination can make up for an avg iq
Not only psychologists, the majority of social science workers hate the idea that not everyone can be made equal.
Yup
@@uRtSser doubt it
Maryn But culture and environment also play a role
@@user-bk1hr4sp3q Sorry but that doesnt Proof anything.
Its a nice tool for his Nazi ideology.
I used to think I was good at Math until I sat next to a really brilliant girl in Probability class. I realized I was just a manipulator of data and not a great thinker. It was a blow but I survived. A reality check is always good. The girl who was brilliant was also very beautiful. A double whammy.
I know people, who are far smarter than me, who know people, who are far smarter than them, who still avoid certain areas of mathematics, because they are too hard. Taking math classes really shows you how much room there is for higher intelligence. I must be well above average, but compared to some people in the classes I took, I'm like a chimp with clothes on.
probability sux and i will not stand for it. I just can't do it, too many numbers, however i can do calculus better than i can cook pasta; like our ol man peterson said here there can be many kinds of brightness.
Taxtro the thing with math, is that it is 80% work and 20% is talent. Now if the people you know, who are smarter than you, know people who are smarter than them, this top category of people might simply have the reason that those people have relied on intelligence the entire time, since school hasn’t challenged them hard enough.
MrUnknownSkater1000 Which type, Integral? Derivatives? Etc?
@@josh-brawlstars2870
That's sort of a bad way to think about it.
It's more like a limiting factor. Like height in basketball. You have to be a certain height to play in the top leagues and more height helps. But being tall alone doesn't make you a basketball player.
I can memorize a string of thousands of numbers instantly. Those numbers just have to be short, and in sequence.... 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17... and so on. There I'm a genius
Nailed it 👌 😆
Dam
Remove 100 random numbers from that sequence and the numbers are still short and in sequence. Still genious enough to memorize?
@@Orpedo *genius
@@Orpedo *genius
Dr. Peterson said "There's one way of not being very bright; but there's multiple ways of being bright." This reminds me of how Tolstoy said, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
I am intelligent enough to understand that i don’t comprehend anything in this video.
lmfao glad I am not the only one.
Lmaooo
It's professional terminology in psychology - it's not that easy, so don't feel bad.
At the basic level he is saying. There is very little difference between the parts of something, call it G. You can break this down as much as you like, but in the end the difference between the "parts" is so small, that it is in fact the same thing be measured. So the test of recalling numbers, a part of IQ/G will be a great predictor for what IQ/G is.
but how much time do we have.Everyone knows their phone number isn't it which means everyone know at least 10 digits long series of number. @Daniele Niccoli
"There's one way of not being very bright, but there's *multiple* *ways* of being bright!" ❤️
I read this as he said it
@@chaseramos4865 omg me too. I was watching while reading the comments. And then just as I read this he said it in the video. Confidence? I think not.
Actually there are multiple ways of being bright but ALSO there are multiple ways of not being bright.
@@Wen6543 It's got to do with comprehension. A bright person can comprehend a great many things. Not so with people that aren't.
Honours degree in physics. Postgrad and career in IT. Lifelong shit choices in men. Yep, I can vouch for this theory.
Me: watches Jordan Peterson thinking he's gonna say IQ doesn't matter much in the real world
Jordan Peterson: welp it determines your long-term life success
Me: cries in avg iq
Dude, you should be fucking greatful that u AT THE VERY LEAST have an average IQ. They are some of us who are quite below that.... And are aware of it
While IQ is indeed a major factor, it is not the only one. And average people do run small sized businesses with decent profit.
Also keep in mind that there are a lot of drawbacks if you possess a very high IQ. Research it.
He says in another video that IQ is by far not everything. If you dont put in the hard the work to educate yourself or improve yourself otherwise you probalby dont have a big long-term life sucess. Of course its better to have a high IQ but dont use is as an excuse, there will alway be someone smarter than you.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
Not true, depends on what company you are running ( or job ). As for example, people with high IQ tend to have less of an EQ ( Emotional Intelligence), which is Key in certain aspects like for example ; a sales person, or whatever job you have to „manipulate“ people or just have to socialice for a living. And i am not speaking babysitter or whatever. I am talking high status jobs. Which leads me to the point again -> succed at what makes you happy and what’s important to you. Not everybody should and can be Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or whatever.
I've taken a couple of psychology classes in college. The first one I wasn't very interested in, I did well in it but I really didn't enjoy it very much. Jordan Peterson really made this psychology come alive for me; the subject has been way more fun to study than it was before finding him. I wish more professors were like him!
Lots of kids in school have good memories and get trained to regurgitate the information on tests but do not always really understand the information.
Memory like that is different to working memory, (the size of your hard disk compared to your RAM) not that ever are a solid indicator of Qi like he claims
@@owenbevt3 But then doesn't that mean working memory=RAM and IQ=GPU, So "working memory =/= IQ" But you need both to perform certain task. lack in one another result in bad task, make it easily to confuse and think they're the same.
@@redhgffdsgd1605 Using your analogy, IQ is like the spec of human computers. If you have good RAM, most likely you have a good machine. Personally, I don't think that makes the most sense from the g-factor breakup mathematically (e.g. story recall has a higher coefficient when factoring in one level above), but it sheds light on the fundamental idea. A good machine can have a lot of things -- good CPU/GPU, good RAM, good SSD, maybe some good monitor and mechanical keyboard too. But a crappy machine usually has crappiness across the board, and I think that's the major point here -- you can't be a (really) smart person if you can't even memorize some random numbers.
That's too often the fault of the instructors.
I tutor students in math at the local college. Most of them have recently graduated high school and have passed algebra. Yet these students are functionally illiterate in math. Must be that participation trophy generation.
understanding takes time and interest. most have time, but have interest in other things.
*Psychologist hate him, click to know why*
he is right about many things but , most of what he says is incomplete , especially in terms of full definitions of particular mechanisms and even concepts .
Came to comments to post this.
@@sweetschannel7564 what book ... i have to know what are you talking about ?
@@sweetschannel7564 so i need to read 12 rules for life ... of mr. Peterson ?
@@sweetschannel7564 also what i meant by incomplete is his general definitions of things , though consistent they rarely are reinforced by every major factors , or sources , most of the work done around those subjects are statistical , and separated from actual mechanisms and processes , it means we use only results without context of basis , in order to understand truth we have to answer on every question what , why and how
Aren't we lucky to have such a brilliant genuine hard working person like Jordan Peterson in the world? I think so.
What specific important results did he produced that makes us lucky?
MajinHico Well for one, why are you watching this video?
@@gmchessplay9043 so we should be lucky because he produced some videos? And from these videos what information do you apply in real life? We should be lucky because unknown scientists work hard and improve medicine etc. This guy just talks about concepts that might be interesting but not that useful...
MajinHico Well the application of his knowledge is entirely up to the individual. It appears to me that you have a particular distaste for psychology and philosophy and history, seeing as how those are the major components of his teachings. Would you prefer everyone on the planet be a brilliant medical physician? Is that the only way someone can be useful? That is what you are arguing.
@@gmchessplay9043 On the contrary, I feel no distaste for these fields, however information that is given should be important, not just a scientific curiosity. There are lot of useful information in the fields of history, philosophy and psychology. Unfortunately most of information given by Peterson is not applicable and people watch him mostly for entertainment.
This is the first time I've heard the click-bait phrase "X hate this..." where it's actually true
Yea my ex hates everything smh my head
@@todabsolute you said shake my head my head (smh=shake my head)
They hate it cause its used to justify a genetic explanation for IQ which is unsubstantiated.
I don't hate it. I just see it as *appallingly* false... *So...*
Jokes aside. There isn't sufficient evidence to prove the existence of the G-Factor. Therefore everything that bases itself on this premise is not necessarily true, therefore, a fallacy.
@@Mhurilo10 Just because something isn't necessarily true doesn't mean it's a fallacy. Hasn't G-Factor got so much evidence for it's existence you can make fairly reliable predictions based on it?
I’ve never felt so violated in the first few seconds of a video
My graduate advisor is one of the pioneers of working memory research, specifically individual differences in working memory capacity. Saying that working memory capacity and fluid intelligence are basically isomorphic is ignoring the differences between them. Sure, they share roughly half their variance at the latent level (meaning a correlation of r = .70), but that’s not the same as a correlation of 1. Some of our lab’s recent work has focused on the differences, and we argue that the reason they aren’t the same is that working memory capacity and fluid intelligence reflect separate mechanisms (WMC = maintenance of relevant information, task-sets, and goals, particularly in the face of interference and distration; and gF = disengagement of previously relevant but now irrelevant information). The reason they are strongly correlated is that they both require top-down executive attention in the form of attention control (which manages behavior and flow of information more generally, thus in service of both maintenance and disengagement). In other words, the ability to control your attention is actually the most important (aka fundamental) cognitive marker, not working memory and/or fluid intelligence. We also think the concept of g and positive manifold might be explained via attentional mechanisms.
That's very interesting. How can I find out more about this work?
@@bsg806 Our lab's webpage is: englelab.gatech.edu/index
All our publications are available for download on that site. The ones on the maintenance/disengagement theory are Shipstead et al. (2016), Mashburn et al. (2020) and Martin et al. (2019). Also relevant are recent papers about attention control - Burgoyne & Engle (2020), Martin et al. (2020), and Draheim et al. (2021).
@@draheim90 Thanks!
How can one increase one's ability to control attention?
@@superdog797 At the general level and for a neurotypical individual, you probably can't - or at least we don't know how (similar to how we don't know how to improve working memory capacity or intelligence).
There are some interventions for clinical populations though. Also, there have been a few studies showing that you can train more specific things related to attention control, such as motor inhibition (which reduces gambling risk and results in healthier food decisions, for instance).
More research is needed, especially in regard to training attention-related abilities and strategies. I think one of the more promising areas is to teach people to be less impulsive and more deliberate in their actions (that is, slow down to increase accuracy/decision making).
We recently submitted a manuscript which discusses some of these topics. If you're interested, the section on cognitive training begins on p. 37 (psyarxiv.com/9ekpu/).
"Yes, a question please, Dr. Jordan. Regarding to my girlfriend's G-area...."
is it too wet? then it is pretty good.
Does it have a 0.99 correlation to her F-area? She MIGHT be a genius
Low iq post
@@soezone208 No, Its a sign of bacterial vaginosis or a yeast infection, or it might be trichinosis
Hilarious bro
"If you are High on one you are very likely to be High on all of them"
Let's just remember this isn't about psychotropic drugs.
@@Rellikan I wish it was.
High IQ got to do with great comprehension & analytical thinking.
Intelligence has been defined in many ways: the capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving. An outstanding memory doesn't seem to be required. If a genius needs some info she has forgotten, she picks up a reference book and refreshes her memory.
Yeah. The size of your working memory really doesn't matter as much if you can store and retrieve the relevant information regardless. If you can break the whole complex project into small pieces you can work on individually, and identify efficient association mechanisms between them, you'll complete the whole work eventually.
A larger working memory allows you to potentially complete more of the work at once, and finish the overall work faster, though.
Then there's the ability to draw from chaos to synthesize information on demand. If you're looking for creative solutions, it doesn't really matter if your ideas are "correct"; You're often just trying to synthesize antagonists to test the integrity of your existing structures.
it makes sense though, imagine trying to solve a problem when you are constantly having to check again the premises, it will be very difficult to make any progress due to loosing the thread again and again. You will be restarting and going around the same idea several times. Besides that, obviously its not the same as intelligence, but it is for sure, an important factor.
@@guidodinello1369 It doesn't make sense, at least in my case. But if we can find an exception that is so far from what's being said in the video, it raises the question if the idea is right. Or maybe I'm just different? ;p
My memory is slightly below average. It's not too bad, but every test will confirm it. In geography class I had 4-5 from tests and 1 from maps (scale 1-5). Always. History dates? It took me longer to remember them than a rest, and it was still far from perfect. At some point I just gave it up.
Yet, my analytics skills are outstanding - far above average. I won a few math/physics olimpics without any additional training.
@@Plajerity Oh thats iteresting man, but I think that what youre saying about history dates and geography has more to do with long-term memory and not with working memory. Maybe the first comment I made was a little bit confusing to be honest.
@@guidodinello1369 No, just my examples weren't too good. My long-term memory is actually... probably around average :) Hard to measure it.
Both maps and dates are things that you repeat just before a test.
But to give a better example... I've got migraines, during which it's hard for me to focus. I'm unable to write a code since I can't remember the variable names I just wrote 2 lines ago, forgetting about adding something, etc.
There was like 3 A.M, I'm tired, can't sleep, can't work. I took IQ test just to check how bad the result will be. It was a standard raven's progressive matrices. 152.
The result seems very unlikely - I few years before that I took a similar test and scored just above 140, being fully concious. I don't think that 20 matrices can show reliable score, especially as the maximum score was 160 - so I probably did one mistake, it gives a huge variance.
Still, we can assume that my working memory didn't have an impact on this test.
Did the MENSA home test: absolute doddle, finished every section in about half the allocated time. Went up to the city to do the invigilated test: didn't complete any section, have never worked so hard in my life, came out sweating and utterly wiped out, absolutely certain I'd failed by a wide margin. The delta on the two results: less than 0.5 %! What Dr Peterson is saying here fits me perfectly.
what score did you get?
is there any link to the test?
@@mateuss2690 I would say the WAIS test is more accurate, because there's a variety of methods that could be used to identify someone's intellect, and I find it more difficult. Also Mensa only uses pattern recognition I think but yeah, the link I've sent is not what you asked for but probably what you might be looking for.
I discovered what JP is saying in this video several years ago…. I just wasn't aware of it. I have a form of ptsd and ADD but the worst part about it is my poor short term memory…. I forget names easily, numbers easily, words easily, where I've parked…. The list goes on and on…. It's irritating and frustrating. And forget about getting any compassion from family, friends and co-workers, they have no patience for it. My solution to this problem is simplifying my life. Stripping away at non-essentials and reducing responsibilities. I also keep a journal as my artificial memory bank. But most effective of all, is lowering my expectations and ignoring the expectations placed upon me by the collective neurotics! LOL. It has greatly reduced my exhaustion, overload, anxiety and depression.
You're an exact copy of me.
YES! Bullet journals are great. I used to journal a lot but learned to organize it then even before bullet journals became a thing because it was fine to dump it all out...but to look at it closer and grow as a person and evaluate it has to be organized. Do you meditate?
I am good at remembering phone numbers, but I do a trick. I don't just repeat them, I "type" them with my fingers, like I would type on a numeric keyboard. It helps my memory when I add movement to "raw" numbers.
The most stupid comment I have read this year so far (Oct 21, 2020). Congrats! 😀
@@mrararatovich Why is it stupid?
@@matejpesl1 I must've been high. Doesn't seem so stupid anymore 😁
@@mrararatovich What were you high on?
@@matejpesl1 I don't remember. Seems shroomy 😀
Working memory is effected by stressors like shame, tiredness and trauma, I can personally attest to the fact that working memory and IQ are very different things, as the learning theory in the course I am presently studying also shows that working memory is a better predictor of successful achievement than IQ. It probably is not even helpful to know ones IQ, as a growth mindset is essential to learning new skills,
Stress and cortisol does indeed affect cognitive functioning if long term. In fact it shrinks and messes up the hippocampus ( associated with memory). See studies by Sapolsky on this. growth mindset won't affect your base level of speed of comprehension BUT it is a "neuroplasticity" mindset and attitude matters. In fact attitude is associated with neuroticism ( or not) of the Big5/6/hexaco. Your resistance to stress has to do with that measure. It's set a little bit, though the set point can be altered. ie.e you can slide on a small spectrum near what you were born with AND learn top down control and coping mechanisms associated with dorsal prefrontal cortex. I have ADHD and will always have emotional dysregulation, for instance, but have learned to pause, Birdseye and assess things whilst controlling breathing when it's bad You know another thing...exercise is magical for everything as is sleep and proper nutrition. When those are off it's harder to execute coping mechanisms even. Anyway I wish you well!
I heard that ADHD also brings issues with Working Memory, one of the reasons it’s hard to recall what is said in class even if your ears heard it. I find it hard to believe that people with ADHD are doomed with idiocy. Because of my ADHD I sometimes can’t remember what my family members say a second afterwards, even if we’re looking straight at each other, yet I have an IQ of exactly 130. Does it simply hinder my potential, meaning with a better functioning Working Memory I could of reached 140 or 150 IQ? I’m simply curious.
Probably
No. People who are highly intelligent tend to be highly intelligent in a lot of areas, out of which working memory is the most common.
This means looking at working memory is a good way to predict intelligence through probability but it's still just a correlation and not an inherent causation.
To better answer your question, yes your score at an IQ test could be higher without your ADHD, but you gotta remind aswell that actual IQ test are very limited in terms of evaluating intelligence. They mostly evaluate academic intelligence and if thats a type of thing you rly have no engage in it, you d probably have lower result just by not being as much devoted to it than someone else might be..
Yes ADHD working memory is a real ass in the pain, i have to force myself to remember stuff. Regarding your IQ score, don't believe in these tests. They mean nothing. The world will catch up on this in 20 years. But i already let you know now.
From retrospection - I realized that it's not bad memory at all. It's that my mind connects every piece of information received ― to countless other information and tries to see all the possibilities.
This type of brain is best for a constant progress into new horizons; not a carrier in a complex chaotic dynamic environment; especially where you need to recall things at the right time.
Also - try to use Zen. You require an engaging factor to keep your focus (like in a conversation). In Zen - you try to keep an absolute holistic awareness on AND connection to - your experience.
And of course - Meditation is a must, in general.
What I learned in my life is that if a subject/field truly interests you, it's enough if you see the information even only once. You will remember it without having to learn/memorize it. The less interest you have in something, the harder it will be for you to memorize it. Me for example, I made the greatest discovery on Earth by finding/solving the universe equation and I don't even know my IQ. I don't waste my time for such bs. Just do what you do best!
its your level of consciousness - Love!
And if you’re interested in something enough, your mind is bound to repeat the idea/or rethinking it and develop your understanding on it, so it makes sense.
The more you love your subject/job the more you can not be distracted while at it.
@@harshaltrimbake646 the more you play dota - the more you hate it :D
Oh sure, you "found/solved the universe equation". Quit your bullshit you crank
If IQ is a 0.5 correlation with life success, as Peterson states here, that still means that half of your level of success is attributable to things that are not IQ. May it may also mean that in half of the people sampled their IQ was not what brought them success?
For example, if someone has a musical IQ off the charts (perfect pitch, high level of musical recall and knowledge, incredible skill, improvisational ability), but they choose to work as, say, a garbage man, their IQ would have virtually 0 correlation with their life success. What's determining their life success in that case is virtually everything besides their IQ.
The interesting point I'm trying to bring up here is that this data can lead to completely opposite conclusions, depending on what it _actually_ means. If it means half your success comes from your IQ, then that means your total success depends on the portion that corresponds to IQ plus your own efforts and other factors you experience. If it means that half of the _people surveyed_ have success that is virtually fully attributable to their IQ, then that means that there are massive numbers of successful people whose IQ had no dispositive impact on their success. In one situation, we see, IQ is very deterministic. In another, it has virtually no influence. So which is it?
I think you misinterpreted what Peterson said. He said that working memory has a 0.5 correlation with life time success (and then again working memory is heavily correlated with iq). I would imagine that iq is even more than a 0.5 correlation with life time success.
@@jkbmrlk4930 You're true that here Peterson seems to say (at the end) that there is a 0.5 correlation with life success and working memory, and that the working memory test he gives is correlated strongly with IQ. So I accept the clarification. However it is also true (see here after minute 4: ruclips.net/video/jSo5v5t4OQM/видео.html ) that Peterson has stated IQ predicts "as much as" about half your success ("0.5 and maybe 0.6") in "high-performance jobs." What exactly this implies overall isn't clear. However, if you look at some literature (see dated but relevant 1998 paper: web.archive.org/web/20140602034440/www.moityca.com.br/pdfs/SchmidteHunter1998.pdf ) you find that job success prediction with _both_ GMA (General Mental Ability test, i.e. IQ test) and either an integrity test or a job interview doesn't exceed a "composite validity" of 0.65 at best. And that's two variables, one of which is basically IQ. So I would argue that the idea you're going to get much better than 0.5 or 0.6 predictability based on IQ alone may not hold water. Obviously this is a limited analysis, but I also think it's quite reasonable.
There's no such thing as IQ anyway. It cannot be modelled mathematically meaning you can't define it with logical rigour. I cannot accept it as science because it's not and no one with common sense will either. IQ is a joke.
@@achyuththouta6957 Well IQ just means how likely someone is to score on particular kinds of tests. And it's a highly reproducible phenomenon in pretty much any relevant respect. Give someone an IQ test and their score just won't vary much in a statistically significant way. Furthermore these tests can be well-controlled for bias etc. using statistical methods. I think it's certainly a legitimate concept. The degree to which we should use it for anything is a different question...
@@superdog797 thanks for the detailed reply! I appreciate the effort
Some people boast with the message they have a high IQ. Many of those are at the same time crippled by depression and anxiety ... IQ doesn't mean shit in a certain range, action does.
True, I have 140+ and it only depresses and hinders me. I'm like... smart enough to know nothing is worth it. Great. Very productive and helpful.
@@5idi well mine is lower at 135 which is called the 'sweet spot' but similar to you all it does is make me look like an outsider who has very less friends.
@@Vibranium375 If anyone asked me, I'd say the sweet spot is around 120. It's way above average, but still not too far.
@@5idi Well all the articles I have read seem to say that 130 to 140 is the sweet spot as you are 'highly intelligent' and can also socialise fairly well. But I agree with you
@@5idi how did you test your IQ?
Me: Remembers literally all the worst parts of my life.
Wow, I must be a genius.
*shoots self*
Time to watch some IQ videos and get even more depressed :DDDDDDDDD
Facts
Right?
Reliable
Lol no I think g fully developes to whatever determined by your heredity by like early 20's and then you get dumber and I guess weight training slows that down
@le Zanji bullshit. You can't increase it, or make yourself more intelligent.
the IQ is a rough indicator-score of the individual's brain processing power. But, even though there are all those memorisation tasks, and various mobile apps, that supposedly help you increase your IQ.....it won't increase. Those apps don't do anything. You just get better at doing similar tasks with certain repetitive patterns, and that's it. (JP spoke about it in the same lecture btw) So yeah, IQ is kinda bullshit, and it cannot be increased during lifetime. (or at least certainly not after the age of ~22-25ish, when human body stops fully developing) Its not that you can't work around it, and, say, become an engineer with IQ of a 100, but it will just be very, very hard.
Anxiety destroys memory and analytical ability. Whatever is causing the anxiety or nervousness is taking priority. It could just be being self conscious ( afraid of failure is a self fulfilling prophecy) or some other unresolved issue.
Dr J has a vast range of knowledge, and I personally appreciate his work and the depth of logic associated, in a manner that’s informing. For some who consider it dry is the challenge drs face always.
- True Fan
I'm really smart, but it never got me to the G spot, what does that mean?
Your smarts didn’t stop you from pooping in your pants in public.
@@UserName-xb7xi wow Jerrold Nadler he really SmartphOWNED you
Me: wants to read the book discussed in the Video
Book: costs 145€
Me: 😕
Libgen is a great place for the liberty of knowledge
Z library
Its torrent tueeeeesday
Welcome to the school system, first time here?
@@guyberlivanthuijl7839 where i Go to Uni we get pretty much all books for under 20€ and the PDF for free. Thats mostly why i was so baffeled at the price of the book. But i will propably look into the free sources people suggested like Libgen
And this is free...wow.
Jordan Peterson....is a role model by far
He's mentioned memory and IQ in a couple of his clips. I first heard of a series of techniques of memory retention by the use of mnemonics because I had read some books concerning Vaudeville memory acts where the star would obtain a working memory of his or her entire audience by shaking their hands and asking their names and what they did for a living when they entered the auditorium. Later the audience would've been wowed by the star's onstage performance. I had gone down to the local Public Library and looked up the subject and had found out that some of the greatest BCE Greek orators used similar techniques. Later I had read some other books about gamblers who had been gifted by nature to have really good memories or folks that had practiced and practiced to have mnemonic memories and were also professional gamblers. There are a number of books about how to acquire their own useful short-term memories, 'Moon Walking with Einstein,' is one of the more recent books.
it wont increase your iq
IQ is fake
@@marquised7037 there's no such thing as IQ. There's no mathematics proving that IQ exists. It's nothing but a scam. Look into the history of IQ. There was no mathematics done. I cannot accept it as science and no one with common sense will.
Exactly what I was gonna write. Thanks for saving me the work. Consequently: is IQ trainable? Jim Kwik's online program teaches mnemonic I think.
@@juditkiss4351 trainable? Not sure, it might be but to a certain extent. But Iq is half genetic and half environmental, and you can control a proportion of your environment. So you can increase it I think.
Important point!! From Carl Jung's findings on psychological types:
Introverted SENSING, that JP has, is the memory he is praising, the remembering facts, numbers, names, etc.
But introverted INTUITION does not function that way at all. It is highly abstract.
OH snap....I haven't been able to memorize a phone number since cell phones. RIP my IQ
But i remember my parents and childhood friends home phones till now - 30 years passed.
Idk, I'm sceptical of this bring the whole story. Just cause there are techniques you can practise to keep more numbers in your head. But it's known that you can't increase your IQ sooo... 😶
@@newbooksmell4163 Its a true story. As a child i was very smart. Being 12 year old i was best in my class, when it was going about mathematics - i dont solved the excesises - i could see answer. Once i reverse enginered a trick with cards, based on cifer matrices, in one night. In my 20ties i did IQ test and was found "visionary mathematician genius". Why "visionary" - because i dont understand english no word at time. In my late 20ties i joined university and was forced to learn a bit english. In my 30 thies my dothers provocked my to undergo IQ test again - for my surprise i added another 16 points. I think studies in the university, including those of formal logic rules, contributed to this more, than my "engrish".
Jason Lee don’t worry.. I’ve memorized each of my family’s WiFi passwords to heart within a couple times of seeing them my whole life and I still live with my parents and not a lot going for me at 25 lol
mate long term and short term memory and actual intelligence is not the same thing , it does have connection / correlation with ... but it's not true refection of .
Doesn't apply to people with adhd or other conditions that cause forgetfulness and inability to concentrate, though.
Dyslexia too.
source?
Or depression
@@alacastersoi8265 The source is that ADHD doesn't effect IQ. But it does effect working memory. But with nurotypical (Normal) people working memory is a good indicator but not the reason for someones IQ
@@lachlanB323 ADHD is plain and simple brain damage
as someone who doesn't remember anything, I now understand why I'm happy all the time.
Many people hate to admit that there is a difference in IQ in people, and worse there is only one measure of IQ not 7 or 8 types.
Even more sensitive question is how much of the g factor is inherited vs environmental.
yea but IQ is a function of culture. its half - HOW - youre raised Not just simply genetic. Not only that, You could have this massive potential and then be socialized into laziness due to culture as well. This is why its important to have great people around you
@@relly793 iq is correlated at 80% with genetics by late adulthood. it’s 40% during childhood.
@@ben_alfred it’s not genetics it’s upbringing. Or culture . The ability to problem solve is not a genetic trait it’s a characteristic from personality. Social conditions drive personality. Nurture not nature. This is why all races of people born affluent within the same area inherently have the same range of iq. And all races that are poor have the same deficiency. We are creatures of habit
@@relly793 actually, literally every one of the statements that you just put forth are empirically and demonstrably false. the studies have been done; you only need to look them up. adopted children bare more resemblance in intelligence to their biological parents after adolescence. twins that have grown up apart grow closer in iq as they age. as far as the racial differences go… I’ll leave you to come to your own conclusions, but would implore you to thoroughly examine the literature beforehand.
@@relly793 also, it’s very clear that intelligence is genetically based. evolutionarily speaking, it would not have been possible for us to abstract out concepts, use language and solve problems if the trait had not been refined through natural and sexual selection.
Working memory is not just remembering a phone number.
Working memory is the ability to not only hold information in mind, but the ability to manipulate.
A better example of working memory is taking that phone number and repeating backwards to someone.
I used to memorise a 32 number string in order to dial up our central computer back in the days (mid to late 90s) when we had dial up comms. Not sure that makes me particularly intelligent as it was very frustrating if you screwed the sequence, so there was very high incentive to get the number right
you can memorise with low iq, what jordan means is you being able to hold all those 32 in a sequence visually in your head and not feeling slight unease
Working memory isn’t about long-term retention or memorization. It’s about actively holding information in consciousness in a highly activated state and being able to manipulate that information in service of goal-directed behavior, particularly in the face of distraction or interference. The amount of “chunks” of information most people can hold in working memory (aka their WM capacity) is usually around only 3-5. Note it you’re just rehearsing, say, a phone number then that’s short-term memory but not working memory, and short-term memory’s capacity is about double that of WM.
The timescale for short-term/working memory is seconds, possibly minutes. Once you “memorize” or “recall” something, you’re now in the realm of long-term memory, which virtually has an infinite capacity.
@@rooost9856 ohhhhhh
My working memory is average, but I'm high iq. I was told by the Dr who evaluated me that to me my working memory feels like garbage bc my other stuff is well above average. There are many many factors that go into iq and some may be better than others it's about finding the best way to utilize YOUR specific neurology for you. True intelligence is figuring out how to USE your iq
True? Do you have anything to reference your comment?
In grad school in multiple courses we have talked about the different theories of intelligence. No one has ever brought up this correlation. I wish I would have watched this video before those classes.
Jordan just rocks here. I like that you are so sensitive to the most interesting pieces in Jordans videos.
The only thing you can do is give your maximum effort, everything else you don't control. It requires training to achieve mastery in anything regardless of biological intelligence.
When you are interested in your iq and then you don't understand a word he says you know something is wrong...
I mean I've seen myself as above average intelligence for most of my life so far but my working memory is pretty horrible.
stress? cortisol
As an engineer Ive purposely trained myself NOT to memorize numbers so as not to try to recall numbers from memory instead of looking them up...too easy to make costly mistakes pulling numbers from memory. (But I do remember Pi to 10 decimal places.). Einstein said “Never commit to memory that which you can look up.” Save your working memory for more important tasks, like conceptualization.
@@rokpodlogar6062 no idea
@@docholiday7758 I think I've done that to some extent but I don't have much memory of the vacations I went or things I saw or various events as well as others. I can remember things I might have images of which I can see from them to time
@@siddhant49 That sounds alot like my memory. Some people have memories like a continuous movie, whereas mine has always tended to be like a photo album with lots of pages missing. Except when it comes to technical things, then I have a much more complete movie. Maybe because more of my brain was engaged in problem solving and creativity. Ive recently learned a new language which gave my working memory a good workout.
I scored 82. However, I love to read. Enjoy working, discovering, doing research. Love life, improving myself, really respect others. Take pride in my work. Human personality fasanates me and the human condition. Might be an 82, I'm ok, I'm very productive, and happy
Title spells controversial incorrectly. Ironic.
He could save others from the effects of low IQ but not himself
Manny Coleone - Except he didn’t post the title... you think every RUclips is posted by the person in the video? His videos have his symbol on them.
@@KenLeonard it's a star wars reference, relax
@@KenLeonard lol I dont think me or the other guy were talking ab Jordan. Mans beyond genius. Still ironic. Take a breath
Manny Coleone - ok. I’m relaxed, but I don’t get the reference.
Low IQ gang?
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Sup bro??? 68924 ... Yeah I like fry chicken
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@@bertt2202 you are so cool
86 IQ here my m8
We did a memorization game in my high-school psychology class, I came into class freshly stoned from lunch. For the test the teacher read off 30 numbers. As he read them I made little jingles for that were segmented into 6 numbers each. Out of the 30 I remembered 28, flipping 2 of the numbers. I think music has the ability to improve memory, at least for myself.
Chunking.
I agree that you can abstract out parts of intelligence but I don't think remembering numbers counts as intelligence. You can train to recall sequences. I think its generally more accurate to say that the better you can abstract things but also differentiate things the better. Like how low intelligent individuals always consider people as either dumb or smart. As you go up the scale it becomes more and more a case of what are people smart at. One way to be dumb, many ways to be smart.
It's not useful to abstract everything down to the root "most people are dumb" it's more useful to say "We have many industries. We have many workers. Not all those workers will be perfect but some will be exceptional". Even the process of abstracting to multiple levels, the structure of society, takes some thought but overall it's much more useful.
@@nathanielwoodbury2692 If you really had a high IQ you would have understood that the co-relation is not 1, so your memory retention doesn't always allign perfectly with fluid intelligence. Jordan also mentioned that the higher your IQ, the lower the corelations are.
he didn't say remembering numbers counted as intelligence, he said it was good predictor.
either way most of these abstractions can become concrete ideas in your head if you work hard enough. people with lower IQs just have to work harder unfortunately. I'd just rather not know mine so I don't have any excuses if it's a number I don't like
Maybe its a bit more like having whole sequence in head and feeling it, than recalling numbers one after another.
See this is one of the problems with AI dumbing people down as a teenager I had about 50 phone numbers memorized easily but now people don't need to remember because the info is stored in their phone that they carry everywhere. People want an app for everything can't cook they have a food delivery app can't spell autocorrect does that etc.
Is your comma key broken?
And it's not AI.
Go to jail and your number memorization game will improve quickly 😆 ..I know the numbers of people closest to me because you never know what emergency might happen where your phone is unavailable
I never could spell! I'm so bad I have often wondered if I might have mild dyslexia.
On a side note. The asshole who named the condition dyslexia was an epic troll.
one day my company decided to assess around 5000 peoples in same age range. I got into one room with some familiar faces, yep the uppers pretty much knew each other. I started wondering whether this have something to do with human instinct to group up with your equal.
High IQ is indeed important. Infact a High person tends to be great not only in academics but also have great sense of empathy and tolerance. For example there was this low IQ guy with Name Mom... in desertland that suffered from hallucinations and created one of the most devastating cult that was responsible for genocide of millions of Hindus over centuries.
He did not answer the duration of how long does one has to remember the numbers? I can remember a 12 digit number, but for how long do I have to remember it?
Just a couple of seconds, in those moments when you're repeating it over and over in your head and haven't been distracted by something else yet
While it makes sense that working memory has a high correlation to IQ in neurotypical people, i don’t think it fully applies to people with ADHD, Autism, Bipolar, etc.
This is probably why most ppl often mistake non-neurotypical ppl as dumb when really they can easily have high IQ.
You completely misunderstood the content. Those are social/personality disorders. The correlation between personality and IQ is very low.
People think those who have social/personality disabilities are dumb because they are different. The people who think that are themselves idiots.
@@tommydashed4205 are you familiar with the dunning Kruger effect?
His point is a simplification at best, but you're right in that many neurodevelopmental disorders are associated with specific weaker cognitive abilities. At a glance, Autism is associated with weaker spatial working memory (i.e. shapes, not numbers) and from memory, ADHD relates to poor working memory but high processing speed, depending on the subtype (inattentive/hyperactive/both).
People thinking non-neurotypical are inherently dumb is usually an assessment based on impressions though, not test scores
@@tommydashed4205 adhd is no social nore a personality disorder... nah its really not.
Oh thanks. I suspect ADHD and I was like, my IQ is decent (touch better than average) and my memory is garbage.
This is made to be comforting for people with average IQs.
-How many digits are you able to remember?
-Boy, I don't even remember my own age.
Wow how many comments recently, its rare case of yt algorithm revamping position or something like that
Like many of you yt recommended me this video too lol 2020
Oooh, finally found the g spot.
Good one 😂
Nope. You cannot abstract a complex neural system/network by just one factor. To determine your long-term success you need to differentiate between specialized and general-purpose skills. From there it is just practice, starting in childhood. Some are lucky to train the network in an abstract direction, a real shortcut is natural science. But there are many other ways to be successful by specialization in your native direction. Some people have a very selective thought process: they can hold in memory many facts that matter to them (ca. 10000 music notes) and instantly forget others that don't matter (such as individual numbers). If they never had the chance to play a musical instrument, they'd never discovered this. So YEA, from his very simplistic perspective he's right, but everything gets complicated when you dig into it.
1:43 This student is trying to stare directly into JP's soul lol
Like most things in life it's all relative. there is 2 men 1 is a builder that can build a house and the other is a teacher with a phd that can not build a house, who is smarter the builder or the teacher.
neither it don't bloody matter in the grand scheme of things. "It is what it is"
I always thought being good at memorizing just makes you a tool of the school system.
I feel like I know a sizeable amount of people with great memories who aren't that bright. It's possible that this is some other type of memory than working memory though.
"Some recent philosophers seem to have given their moral approval to these deplorable verdicts that affirm that the intelligence of an individual is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be augmented. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we will try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing."
Alfred Binet, the creator of the IQ test
and they did not succeed. An adult human's intelligence is around 80% heritable, the rest mainly based on childhood environmental factors.
@@hartlytartly 😆
i had to check that quote, to see if it were true. and, it is.
so, Binet had a belief in the 'unlimited potential' of the human mind...and then, he was truly awoken...
It's just my anectodal experience, but I honestly never saw people change how smart they are over time. If IQ can indeed change than I would expect people to get smarter if they engage in more cognitive demanding tasks (and viceversa). I'm in STEM and I know people who aren't incredibly bright (far from saying they are stupid, but they aren't geniuses either), but they are very committed and work very hard to get on in the field, yet they look the same to me cognitively even if know them from the beginning. I could say the same for myself, I don't think I've grown more intelligent since I started university (I've grown more committed to study, which raised my grades, but that's not intelligence)
@0392039r9w0 that's some nice internet psychology you're doing. What a lot of true information you extracted of my personal behaviour and attributes you accurately figured out. Obvious troll.
How can you measure the IQ correctly tho?
I scored 135 in the Mensa IQ and a couple days after scored 107 on the IQ champion test.
Well, it's because I didn't skip the questions that took more time to figure out in the IQ champion test.
Tip: In order to get a most accurate IQ score, you gotta skip the question if it takes you more than 60 seconds to think about. You can come back to it after you go through all of the questions.
great video
The iq of the Iq test, is coming from one factor. But is IQ the best system to measure intelligence? Interesting things
psychologists secretly hates this, they don't want you to know this secret!!
I D sure, because if it WORKED, EVERYBODY WOULDN'T BE USING IT.
Seriously, that's why you can tell that THERE ARE NO SECRETS out there:.. if something's good, EVERYONE WOULD KNOW IT.
@@SovereignStatesman That, sadly, isn't true at all. Unfortunately for humanity.
@@timefortee It's true, you're just stupid.
Smarts are just like playing instruments. If you're not exposed to a particular instrument or any instrument who will know that you would have been a genius at that instrument. What a person is exposed to determines the interest
The fact that 100 questions broken into two groups (correlated and not correlated) is very interesting, but not surprising. Human minds are general thinking machines and each mind has a certain threshold of conceptual difficulty to be able to grasp.
I had poor memory until I forced myself to learn a bunch of different programming languages.
I remembered my daughter's new phone number from hearing it one time.
Same with the new wifi password.
I used to have trouble remembering my own passwords, but now it's just there.
I don't need to repeat it in my head anymore.
How did learning new languages help tho?
@@henoksamuel1106 I guess you get better at remembering if you're constantly trying to remember new information so you can use it.
@@henoksamuel1106 If you're just learning information that you're not going to use, then you're not going to be spending much time remembering it.
The fantastic failure of writing "controversal" in the thumbnail of a lecture of IQ and intelligence.
but it is controversial, even if it shouldn't be
It’s a controversial spelling!
anyone who has seen the show "The IT Crowd" knows how many numbers they can memorize
i cant remember my phone number 8 digits, but i passed mensa test multiple times.. so nah. Not always its different for people i guess.
I was just going to say that
0118999881999119725..........3
Pretty simple
@@eimantasjuska2390 I think that's just because you dont need to now. when I was a kid, cell phones were for wealthy businessmen... you needed to remember numbers. Now we all have a second brain in our pockets, so our first one is slacking off lol
@@yashdefy XD
Depending on the test I tend to score 125-127 on most IQ tests. I've worked in the military, private sector, and aerospace.
Peterson still blows my mind in his lectures.
Christopher Sullivan: because people with IQ's in that mid-to-high range are easily fooled.
@Y10e .v1 if his response is serious then the only reasoning I can think of is that highly intelligent would find a way to make sense of misinformation though an average intelligent person will give up on it trying not to reason with the misinformation since it seems too unreal. Hopefully I make sense lol.
I test 82
Fantastic lecture.
I know plenty of people with high IQ's but can't use their abilities to benefit themselves because of the traumatic parenting they received. So they don't try, they don't aim high, they don't go for opportunities that would suit them and make their lives better. However much, you say they can they believe they can't. IQ is the potential, it is not the key to a good life necessarily.
A lower IQ person in a good household on average can achieve much more than a person with a high IQ brought up in a terrible household. The programming at an early age stays for life or takes such intensive counseling to remove, even if that is possible. By then so many years or decades will have passed. It is very sad unfortunately.
Hopefully, in due course there will be psychiatric testing to determine who can have children and or look after children.
spot on
IQ is undoubtedly important and a huge factor in both ability and success. From a clinical standpoint, IQ is immensely important so we can better understand how humans work and what they are capable of. In a military or schooling situation, IQ tests can help spot out people who are intellectually disabled and need help (as compared to those who are just lazy) and spot out people who are so smart they need to be put in higher grades/advanced classes (IQ will also determine which grade would be best for them).
But I disagree with Peterson on whether or not you, as an individual, should care about IQ unless you are intellectually disabled (in which case, you wouldn't need an IQ test, you already know what you struggle with). IQ is the single strongest predictor of income, but it *only* explains 21% of the variation in income (it's most likely to be smaller than that, because IQ also mediates the relationship between other variables and income) -- and there are very few professions where it is impossible to achieve success without a high IQ. You can be a doctor with an average IQ. You could even be a physicist with an average IQ (there have been world class scientists who literally had average IQs).
Put this way: You will most likely be on equal footing as someone with a high IQ but no work ethic and discipline (as long as you can maintain a work ethic and discipline). If you have above average levels of discipline and work ethic, you can even have an advantage over someone with a high IQ. There are just so many variables that go into play, like conscientiousness and emotional intelligence (not a clinical term to be clear) into success that disregarding your own potential because of a test score is silly. You may not actually be capable for a certain field for a variety of factors (incl. IQ) or you may realise that you will need to work 3x as hard as the average person in that field to keep up (and that may sound like a bad deal) -- but you can literally discover that on your own without knowing your IQ by testing your capabilities in a real-world situation.
Standardised tests are actually a really good way to do this. Study for a standardised test in your chosen field, see how long it takes for you to say study for a medical exam, and what mark you get. Then compare your hours studied with the average med's students hours studied for the same test, and compare your marks. That's a super easy way to know.
You don't have a gift of gab. Your idea presentation is so terrible, but you can write a wall of text.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker You judge an idea off the way it is presented? Interesting. Tell me, what's the point of your comment? See if you tell me I'm wrong, what I'm wrong about, and why, we can talk. but if you just tell me I'm wrong, you've helped nobody and provided nothing.
@@khuzaymahqureshi639 it doesn't matter. You write like that, it tires the person seeing it and so nobody reads it all throughout.
In other words, you wasted your energy trying to make sense of something and nobody cares to spend time dealing with it.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker The 5 upvotes proves you wrong. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have responded to begin with.
Says psychologists should know this to become a psychologists - says psychologists hate this, and won't admit its existence. Why though?
I think he discussed earlier the link between high IQ and ethnicity.its a taboo subject in SOME areas of psychology.
maybe this way people will not condone that there are weak on intelligent. They will keep try to push themselves doing better and pay for sessions. Maybeeeee
@@TylerDurden-oy2hm I did not catch that. Should check it out later.
@@keremayan452 Maybe. I think intellectual memory is quite handy though. Neurogenesis plays in, despite plasticity. Maybe it's the socialist idea of determinism over logos. I think people will keep trying freely despite knowing the given odds.
If people get to know the root of their problem/persona,- they won't keep coming back to the psychologist.
Also telling people how simple we really are can be demotivating, bringing some people below their potential.
psychologists call him John Carroll Baskin.
lol was thinking the same haha
I went to random number generator & made a string of 15 numbers. After spending about 3 min trying to remember them I went & watches an unrelated RUclips video, went pee, ate some snacks, just generally trying to clean my active memory. Was still able to remember all 15 numbers so either this is bull crap or I'm smarter than Einstein which I doubt considering I'm a college drop out.
Intelligence and application are different things. I dropped out of junior high. My IQ is over 140
The most controversial part about this video is that it's spelled as "controversal" in the thumbnail
This working digits memory test, is it long-term or short-term? Cause I think you can easily work your momery and remember a 12-digit number for a short time but it would go away as time goes by if it's not an important thing to remember.
It's supposed to test working memory, so probably short term.
I took the WAIS IQ test a week ago. Out of the 4 sub categories, I scored over the 90th percentile in 3 of them, but in the 77th percentile for working memory. Makes sense to me because of all the weed I smoked in the past as well as having pretty severe mental illness and ADHD.
Weed is worthless. So bad for the brain.
This is just sad and what makes it even sadder is that it is true...
I have SDAM and Aphantasia which is lack of memories in most cases, inability to visual anything, and really bad memory (1%-2% population) but I think in the different way (always focus on "now" in thinking about past and future in very robotic way). And my IQ is on 125 even though I would forget immediately few digits. There are things not even Jordan Peterson is aware of with all due respect to him since he's one of the brightest minds in current history and I'm more than happy to listen to his words
Agree with you
What is the parent video of this?
Jordan : *talks about iq*
Me : what is he talking about ?
Jordan : *keeps talking about iq*
Me: well i think my last 2 brain cells dont know what he is talking about therefore my iq is equal to 2
Interesting theory... I have a very high intelligence but I also have ADHD. As a result of this my working memory is garbage. This combination is extremely frustrating because I can understand extremely difficult concepts, but I can't keep them in my head long enough to complete the thoughts. It's like trying to nail jello to a tree and it's been torturing me my whole life.
Do you know the solution?
Abstract are you asking me if I have a solution to my own problem? No. I’m 50 years old and I’ve been studying psychology since college trying to solve this problem. Ive had no luck and it’s driving me insane. And no, brain training apps don’t work. Neuroplasticity is definitely a thing, but I’ve never found a way to apply it to this particular problem.
I only score high on fluid iq tests. Guess I'll be gaming for the rest of my life.
Water is the essence of deepness, and deepness is the essence of beauty.
But it can still make you go splat from a height.
I feel dr j roots scale and value for quality in a professional manner which I personally associate the same or similiar.
Again Y I’m a fan
Good work doc
I am confused because, I have always thought that memory can be improved, So if memory can be improved and memory directly correlates to intelligence then can iq be improved?
Long term memory is poorly correlated with fluid intelligence, whereas working memory is strongly correlated with fluid intelligence. It's no new news that IQ can improve, exercise, certain foods and chess can all contribute towards an increase in IQ. However, this is only if you have not yet reached your IQ potential, of which is determined by genetics.
'Memory', doesn't correlate with real intelligence. It's not even related to higher intelligence. See 'Working Memory' comparison and related information on this subject. The educational institutions has been lying to the masses since day one.
Conscious people are far smarter than others because of (Abstract Reasoning) !!! And Abstract Giftedness!
@@james12erby43 I agree, having poor memory (introverted iNtuition types) has no effect on intelligence whatsoever.
There was a huge wave of research last decade trying to improve people’s intelligence by training working memory. One or two early studies showed the effect but subsequent research and meta-analyses failed to find any real effect, particularly when the studies are done properly with equated groups and active control groups. Turns out if you train people on working memory tasks they become better at those tasks, and HIGHLY related ones, but there is no evidence of transfer to fluid intelligence, and also little evidence that their working memory capacity has been increased. Unfortunately, a number of cognitive/brain training programs popped up (e.g., Lumosity, CogMed) and continue to sell this cognitive snake oil. Though, to be fair, there is some evidence that engaging in cognitively demanding mental work may slow down natural age-related cognitive declines.
One fundamental issue with the WM training research is that people assume the working memory capacity-fluid intelligence relationship is causal such that higher WMC results in higher Gf. Truth is we don’t really know the nature of the relationship, and it’s probably more likely that a third variable causes both higher WMC and Gf. Our lab thinks that third factor is the ability to control attention, and interestingly we recently showed that attention control fully mediates (accounts for) the relationship between WMC and Gf. In other words, WMC and Gf do not correlate at all statistically speaking if you account for the influence (shared variance) of attention control on the WMC-Gf relationship. Attention control seems to mediate a whole other host of relationships between cognitive abilities, and we’re beginning to think that attention control is the most fundamental and important market of someone’s cognitive ability (and possibly the explanation for “g” and the reason for positive manifold).
IQ is strongly correlated with cardiovascular health, I have done my research. If you want to improve your working memory and IQ then meditate. The long term impact of meditation is higher oxygenation of the brain and correlates with as much as a 20% increase in IQ.
This lecture went over my head, man. Must be my insufficient IQ.
Not necessarily. The thing is that we are lunched into the middle of it with insufficient info. What do the Gs stand for? What does correlaroon measured? How is intelligence defined etc etc. In the different fields I've worked in each has its own lingo. I've sat thru multiple meetings were I was completely lost. Over time you learn the lingo and it all makes sense.
Honestly IQ doesn't matter at all. I have an IQ of 145. But that doesn't mean Iam good at studies. I usually end up in average section and I'm very bad in sports too. It's just the pattern recognition. Seriously believe me, when my IQ tests results came out my parents were like "how tf did this noob get top 1%".
Really tho, it doesn't help much. Only consistency and hardwork matters. Hopefully I will get over my laziness :)
Yeah IQ doesn't matter much, here I am sitting on a billion dollars I made in a decade, oh yeah hard work, totally not my ability to recite entire fields of study in a few hours.
@Dnomyar Akunawik There's no mathematical framework that describes IQ. Fact. Keep living in your dreamland. In the real world there's no such thing as " IQ"
@Dnomyar Akunawik some dude: “muscles arnt everything”
ur probable response: “dude wtf?! would you rather be a cripple or Dwayne Johnson?”
You used the word noob. That’s your problem. You play video games. Its killing your productivity.
"psychologists hate this"
I don't know any psychologist who thinks intelligence doesn't exist. Yet, I know many psychologists who have a clearer idea of the meaning of a correlation of .50 (likely in a crossectional study, longitudinal studies offer lower effect sizes). Selling a correlation of. 50 as something "huge" is simply misleading
The whole video was uploaded to his channel 2017.apr.18.