The school system where I live, uses Navistar buses. Diesel power, Allison trans, heat, air conditioning, air brakes, and air ride suspension. Very nicely equipped.
I can’t believe places are still order spring ride suspension. Don’t mind the hydro brakes. Doors are weird but if you get air doors (the proper option) then you don’t have to worry about them closing weird. Lol
Never understood spring ride. They wreck the frame and passengers. Our trucks have springs, if you could call them that, and the vehicle just hops. No spring, no damping, the whole thing just bounces.
Cheapest options in Ms. It’s only a few districts that actually spec their buses. And air ride is like a 3k option. And most don’t know you can get it without air brakes. And they don’t care.
I’ve had mixed experience with spring ride. Some buses ride good and most ride like crap. Thankfully many districts have switched over to air ride years ago and it performs better than springs. I also know many districts spec air ride on handi buses and it definitely helps.
Funny thing is. School buses were not allow to have a/c even for the driver in 1980. My mother bought her first 16 passenger Chevy g30. It had a weak 350 4 barrel 3 speed auto 400 transmission 4.10 gears and a 30 gallon fuel tank.
I dreaded the T-Handles of the first generation MV, the twist handle with integrated Jake control is far superior. Then again, I had to get used to it, my old ProStar had the push button Eaton, the new LT had this style.
I believe it's to prevent kids from being trapped in between them doors, remember the infamous backpack incident where the driver didn't even know they dragged a child by the doors? Yeah...
Usually it comes down to the mechanics they can find. A chicken and egg scenario. Do they get the buses for the mechanics, or find mechanics for the buses. Many take the second option, get a bus that the drivers, students, and school board likes, and find the mechanics to suit, instead of the U-Haul approach, spec your trucks for the automotive mechanics they already had, hydraulic brakes, spring ride, gasoline engines, Ford chassis.
@@jaysmith1408 I know most of the school buses have air brakes and in many places air conditioning and also dealing with diesel emission systems. That’s more training than what auto technicians have to deal with except those who work at Ford or GM or Ram or Mercedes Benz dealerships.
They’re mostly hydraulic here. They have a hard enough time recruiting drivers as it is; requiring them to be air brake certified would make it harder yet…
Idk why people dislike the sequence door closing rather than closing at the same time? Have you seen those videos of students being dragged on the road by their backpack because the doors closed on them? This helps remedy that
the specs on their stock unit seems a bit watered down compared to some of the other stock buses i've seen, but it looks good, i can bet alot of mechanics are not going to like the new cramped engine bay.
CUMMINS is supposed to have a gasoline engine in 2026 but no word on OEM’s just yet. BLUEBIRD has a long term affiliation with FORD for gasoline engines so THOMAS and IC could be possibilities. Sharp looking bus.
Any good shop will put them in. I was at a convention a couple months ago. I asked about a standard transmission. They said that all of them come with Allison Automatics (worst transmission I have ever seen). I came back with, yes, but you are able to put in a standard, no? The engine can be mated to one, the chassis will support one, so put one in. The lightbulb lit up. They are able to, just find someone who will. And if your contract has that explicitly, they’re going to find someone who will.
boy these kids these days have it nice lol. Im barely into my 30's and I can remember the last new buses in my school district literally only had heaters as a "luxury", got hot? slide a window down ha.
That door design is gonna be changed I’m betting. I see too many problems coming with that. When you showed under the hood, they could’ve designed how everything is set up better. It’s all smashed in there now. Can’t work on that motor without taking all kinds of shit apart
It’s the fleetwide update. The ProStar got it first in 2017, then the DuraStar in 2019, new front end in 2021. The bus chassis always seem to take a while to get the update, I guess they have a lot of chassis they have to run through before the new ones get built.
@@HavardCastiglionihaving most of my career on the old design, I was certainly intrigued by the update, a little quirky, but several thousand miles later, I felt right at home.
@@HavardCastiglioni thanks, I’m fairly boring. So many drivers have their own taste and preferences. I don’t like Allisons, I find the 6.7 almost useless, will not drive a vehicle that size with hydraulic brakes, and demand air ride, but do prefer Internationals to Freightliners.
My dad drove school bus for 33 years,his last bus which he got new at the time had radio,no ac,5 speed manual,no power steering and the driver,s wasn,t allowed to drink anything while driving so there was no cup holders.A big change to now,,that was 1969.
I love about a school bus had led headlights is great for 20 century be great for Many years to come. It’s a lot better and then halogen headlights They shouldn make all of them like that. Led are Energy Efficient by 2030 of 2050.
220hp seems a bit light. I wonder how much HP those dual AC compressors draw plus probably a big alternator to power the other AC and all the lights and blowers.
I would love for models like this to arrive in Panama. Unfortunately with that decree they have on the importation of school buses from the United States, it is complicated. I hope one day they will remove that senseless decree.
Being a former school bus driver I'm nearly 40 years I like the doors the way they are that way a child won't be caught in them he doors closed individually not all together where they could trap a child or a student
My Uncle drove school buses in the 1970's the International 1700's 5-speed stick shifts, Blue Birds no air, straight bus, not this fancy stuff they have today. Back then if could not drive a stick shift, they would not hire you.
Those brackets may not be for a broom. I’d say it’d be great for upright mounting of shotgun and AR. That’s probably a prison transport model that still had the brackets. If you rather put a broom in it that’s ok too. 😂 lol I really liked the old Thomas buses from the 70’s and 80’s and the last batch before the new cheap body style 🇺🇸
I don’t like the hood redesign at all. For a box truck the redesign looks okay, but for a bus that has rounded roofs, this is just weird. A “squared” hood with a rounded roof body, that doesn’t mix well.
@@joshuaanderson6495 turns on and off the exhaust brake. It works by limiting exhaust flow at the turbo. Thus increasing exhaust pressure thus slowing the engine.
It's a good bus does your district use Wi-Fi on the school buses and maybe they should put USB ports for the students to charge their phone while on the bus that would be handy I thought IC still equipped that with buses but i guess it's not ordered by the school districts but it would be useful for students to charge their phones especially on long trips or field trips
tbh usa needs to just get some toyota coaster like in jamaica even the older ones still have fully automatic doors( and can ve easily added bcz the automatic system is a machine automatically retracting its arms to open and close the door) and passenger heater and ac for every single row(each row has 4 ac vents) instead of these uncomfortable cheaply made buses
More problems with the emissions control on this bus. It is much more difficult to delete the DPF, EGR, DEF/AdBlue-SCR, and much more difficult to delete the catalytic converter. Our tax dollars will be buying those new buses frequently because the School Bus companies don't want to deal with the diesel emissions problems.
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Drivers are totally going to be calling in on the radio about flashing red and amber lights on the dashboard.
IC has done amber and red flashers in the dash for a few years now. But new drivers might be puzzled by it.
I like the idea of latches on the door but the whole computer system to close it just screams of more things to break
They could go back to the push pull manual door like what was on the late amtrans and early ic
Keeps the dealer profitable ! 🤣
The school system where I live, uses Navistar buses. Diesel power, Allison trans, heat, air conditioning, air brakes, and air ride suspension. Very nicely equipped.
I can’t believe places are still order spring ride suspension. Don’t mind the hydro brakes. Doors are weird but if you get air doors (the proper option) then you don’t have to worry about them closing weird. Lol
Never understood spring ride. They wreck the frame and passengers. Our trucks have springs, if you could call them that, and the vehicle just hops. No spring, no damping, the whole thing just bounces.
Cheapest options in Ms. It’s only a few districts that actually spec their buses. And air ride is like a 3k option. And most don’t know you can get it without air brakes. And they don’t care.
I’ve had mixed experience with spring ride. Some buses ride good and most ride like crap. Thankfully many districts have switched over to air ride years ago and it performs better than springs. I also know many districts spec air ride on handi buses and it definitely helps.
Yeah the door is odd 🤣 the way it closed tho 🤣
These busses are common at the school I went to nowadays. Years ago C2's were commonly purchased.
Funny thing is. School buses were not allow to have a/c even for the driver in 1980. My mother bought her first 16 passenger Chevy g30. It had a weak 350 4 barrel 3 speed auto 400 transmission 4.10 gears and a 30 gallon fuel tank.
Why ? For emission?
@@darrylrichardson1997 I don't remember.
Was it because of R12 Freon at that time? Ozone depletion?
@@rmatt24 Hell no. No one care about that then.
I think they should have gone with an old-fashioned column shifter instead of that knob. That door is a silly quirk.
I dreaded the T-Handles of the first generation MV, the twist handle with integrated Jake control is far superior. Then again, I had to get used to it, my old ProStar had the push button Eaton, the new LT had this style.
That door closing one by one instead of simultaneously
I believe it's to prevent kids from being trapped in between them doors, remember the infamous backpack incident where the driver didn't even know they dragged a child by the doors? Yeah...
It’s different for sure. I haven’t seen many school buses with hydraulic brakes.
Usually it comes down to the mechanics they can find. A chicken and egg scenario. Do they get the buses for the mechanics, or find mechanics for the buses. Many take the second option, get a bus that the drivers, students, and school board likes, and find the mechanics to suit, instead of the U-Haul approach, spec your trucks for the automotive mechanics they already had, hydraulic brakes, spring ride, gasoline engines, Ford chassis.
@@jaysmith1408 I know most of the school buses have air brakes and in many places air conditioning and also dealing with diesel emission systems. That’s more training than what auto technicians have to deal with except those who work at Ford or GM or Ram or Mercedes Benz dealerships.
They’re mostly hydraulic here. They have a hard enough time recruiting drivers as it is; requiring them to be air brake certified would make it harder yet…
@@nkgagne well how did they get their Class B without air brake? Almost all B vehicles have air, so you’d have to try to avoid air.
cant wait for my district to get/buy our 7. got the quote approved idk if we bought them yet
looks and sounds nice. And, nice to hear from you again. :)
I miss the manual doors
The electric door on that and the stuff under the hood being complicated concerns me. Nevertheless, I still have high hopes for these new CE’s.
That’s what I’m sayin, but these things are super nice imo compared to the 2g’s and I know they probably drive better too
2nd gen’s seem like they’re more easily serviceable because of the longer hood allowing more room for the engine and other components. Even c2’s do.
Looks very Sharp for a Brand New Bus
Idk why people dislike the sequence door closing rather than closing at the same time? Have you seen those videos of students being dragged on the road by their backpack because the doors closed on them? This helps remedy that
Nice bus, I am continuing to look for a reverse parking video on this type. That would be cool!
😃😃
the specs on their stock unit seems a bit watered down compared to some of the other stock buses i've seen, but it looks good, i can bet alot of mechanics are not going to like the new cramped engine bay.
The startup beeper sounds almost similar to a 2005 to 2008 ce
When I was in school(90s) them school buses had no AC lol………….in Florida.
i'll admit, i love International's choice on the front end
It seems that the new buzzer is just a beep version of the old one.
Is The Old On From The 2005 IC CE
We just got new 26ft 2025 international box trucks. I hate internationals, but these things are pretty nice and they get insanely good gas mileage
CUMMINS is supposed to have a gasoline engine in 2026 but no word on OEM’s just yet. BLUEBIRD has a long term affiliation with FORD for gasoline engines so THOMAS and IC could be possibilities. Sharp looking bus.
I'm partial to the Bluebird. I drive a 2018 with the 6.8 V10. For an IC that looks nice. Drove a couple IC in the past an 06, 09.
I’m normally a bb guy. But I like the drivers area. BB needs to fix the QC issues badly
I do like the dashboard design, but I prefer the old one honestly.
My favorite part about buses is the engine startups 😊
I heard manual doors won’t be an option on the 3rd gen
Any good shop will put them in. I was at a convention a couple months ago. I asked about a standard transmission. They said that all of them come with Allison Automatics (worst transmission I have ever seen). I came back with, yes, but you are able to put in a standard, no? The engine can be mated to one, the chassis will support one, so put one in. The lightbulb lit up. They are able to, just find someone who will. And if your contract has that explicitly, they’re going to find someone who will.
boy these kids these days have it nice lol. Im barely into my 30's and I can remember the last new buses in my school district literally only had heaters as a "luxury", got hot? slide a window down ha.
That door design is gonna be changed I’m betting. I see too many problems coming with that. When you showed under the hood, they could’ve designed how everything is set up better. It’s all smashed in there now. Can’t work on that motor without taking all kinds of shit apart
My point exactly. It’s nice to drive but to even do an oil change is a pain in the butt
@@Bluebirdvision91having a short hood is nice for visibility but that’s what cross view mirrors are for. These engines are big and need room.
5:05 LMFAO what? Why would they do that? Lol
That legit looks weird the way the doors close makes me very uncomfortable
Would you call it an Oddball CE?
Well did you tell the dealer you wanted a air stop sign/crossing arm for the New bus
Tell*
I wish my school district in Arizona should get the 2025 CE by IC Bus
Looks like international went for a major makeover in terms of designs
It’s the fleetwide update. The ProStar got it first in 2017, then the DuraStar in 2019, new front end in 2021. The bus chassis always seem to take a while to get the update, I guess they have a lot of chassis they have to run through before the new ones get built.
@@jaysmith1408 I can't argue with you on it. On that note, the updates on every bus would be amazing. Especially the bells and whistles.
@@HavardCastiglionihaving most of my career on the old design, I was certainly intrigued by the update, a little quirky, but several thousand miles later, I felt right at home.
@@jaysmith1408 Nothin' wrong with it. Btw I subscribed to you
@@HavardCastiglioni thanks, I’m fairly boring. So many drivers have their own taste and preferences. I don’t like Allisons, I find the 6.7 almost useless, will not drive a vehicle that size with hydraulic brakes, and demand air ride, but do prefer Internationals to Freightliners.
I like your southern accent.
My dad drove school bus for 33 years,his last bus which he got new at the time had radio,no ac,5 speed manual,no power steering and the driver,s wasn,t allowed to drink anything while driving so there was no cup holders.A big change to now,,that was 1969.
The door being like that is probably a safety hazard
The schools over here use older CEs I think about 2000- 2010 somewhere in that area IDRK much about school busses
I love about a school bus had led headlights is great for 20 century be great for Many years to come. It’s a lot better and then halogen headlights They shouldn make all of them like that. Led are Energy Efficient by 2030 of 2050.
dear god that door...
Beautiful trucks
Electric door. The unit I went through has the air door.
Huh. The driver's section is set up similar to a newer International truck, but I'm surprised to see school buses don't use air brakes.
Some do. Some dont
220hp seems a bit light. I wonder how much HP those dual AC compressors draw plus probably a big alternator to power the other AC and all the lights and blowers.
3 compressors actually. And yeah. I’d have atleast done a 240 to compensate for ac.
I love the new design of the vehicle 🎉
I would love for models like this to arrive in Panama. Unfortunately with that decree they have on the importation of school buses from the United States, it is complicated. I hope one day they will remove that senseless decree.
That door is very odd, I wonder if they close regularly whether you get a electric door or air door
Not sure. We’ll find out when the unit I ordered gets here.
Being a former school bus driver I'm nearly 40 years I like the doors the way they are that way a child won't be caught in them he doors closed individually not all together where they could trap a child or a student
No above the driver storage?
Do this new bus has front and rear cameras?
Oh my god, This bus looks beautiful and sexy.
Hi Vision
My Uncle drove school buses in the 1970's the International 1700's 5-speed stick shifts, Blue Birds no air, straight bus, not this fancy stuff they have today. Back then if could not drive a stick shift, they would not hire you.
LTNS and welcome back! So did you get stationed here in MS?
How’s Bergstorm A/C do you recommend it?
That door is not right 🤦♂️.
Busses be lookin like Denalis now 😆
Hahahahahahahaha so true thank god I rode Bluebirds and 1st Gen CE buses that gearshift though
Its 2024, you thought that they'd be giving a different way of closing the door, but no...
Those brackets may not be for a broom. I’d say it’d be great for upright mounting of shotgun and AR. That’s probably a prison transport model that still had the brackets.
If you rather put a broom in it that’s ok too. 😂 lol
I really liked the old Thomas buses from the 70’s and 80’s and the last batch before the new cheap body style 🇺🇸
The door set up is weird
Cool bus!👍🚍🚌
Thoes new ones look sharp but man the parking break location is stupid
Never have I liked a foot operated parking brake
Rare for something like that. Usually, now it is a yellow pullout button
@@erikbunty2016That only works for air brakes.
I don’t like the hood redesign at all. For a box truck the redesign looks okay, but for a bus that has rounded roofs, this is just weird. A “squared” hood with a rounded roof body, that doesn’t mix well.
Not bad, better than those crappy C2's.
Nope!! Them doors are gonna break guaranteed
What is the purpose of the exhaust brake button?
@@joshuaanderson6495 turns on and off the exhaust brake. It works by limiting exhaust flow at the turbo. Thus increasing exhaust pressure thus slowing the engine.
my bus dont even have one ac :(
They finally updated it lol
Ic’s take on a c2
RIGHT! 🤪
@@James-xo6te what’s that silly face for?
The door shutting ewww
This should've been called the IC CE 400
@@TheArchDemon729 I still miss the option of having a v8 and an inline engine.
@@Bluebirdvision91honestly if Maxxforce DTs were still in these that would be great
the doors are goofy asf lol
Wow
It's a good bus does your district use Wi-Fi on the school buses and maybe they should put USB ports for the students to charge their phone while on the bus that would be handy I thought IC still equipped that with buses but i guess it's not ordered by the school districts but it would be useful for students to charge their phones especially on long trips or field trips
tbh usa needs to just get some toyota coaster like in jamaica even the older ones still have fully automatic doors( and can ve easily added bcz the automatic system is a machine automatically retracting its arms to open and close the door) and passenger heater and ac for every single row(each row has 4 ac vents) instead of these uncomfortable cheaply made buses
4:04 pueny ass beeping noise
More problems with the emissions control on this bus. It is much more difficult to delete the DPF, EGR, DEF/AdBlue-SCR, and much more difficult to delete the catalytic converter. Our tax dollars will be buying those new buses frequently because the School Bus companies don't want to deal with the diesel emissions problems.
Agree emissions BS is a problem.
those doors are not it bro lmao
That foot parking brake has gotta go.
At this point buses looking like cars we drive with that parking brake
@@carwashslayer4235 Except most cars have moved entirely to electronic parking brakes now.
@@BusMaster99 That is true Bendix made a physical Electronic Air brake and I dont like it
@@carwashslayer4235 They don't belong on air brake vehicles, that's for sure.
@@BusMaster99 I agree
As an european i can only ask how do american companies even dare to make this piece of crap in 2025, look at an Isuzu for example...
Piece of crap? It's for kids to ride on. They're reliable
It’s not a piece of crap.
No ev buses
Cummins b6.7l
Junk!