How to Swap the Stock Mad Catz Arcade FightStick PCB with a Joytron Paewang Revolution PCB
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- How To install the Joytron Paewang Revolution Multi-Console Joystick PCB from www.focusattack... into a PlayStation 3 Mad Catz Arcade FightStick Tournament Edition.
...and yes, I am sure I AM NOT (and probably incapable) of pronouncing "Paewang" properly, apologies.
IMPORTANT: Wiring up the power, ground, turbo, and home signal from the stock PCB is not shown. Please view my Akishop PCB install to see that process (jump to exact time): • How To Install an Akis...
Flickr photo that better shows Paewang PCB placement inside the case: www.flickr.com/...
** Wiring guides (supplement to video titles) **
Paewang Joystick (left to right with USB wires coming out of the top/back):
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1 - Up Ground
2 - Up Signal
3 - Right Ground
4 - Right Signal
5 - Down Ground
6 - Down Signal
7 - Left Ground
8 - Left Signal
Paewang Turbo/Select/Home/Start (left to right with USB wires coming out of the top/back):
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1 - Turbo Signal
2 - Turbo Ground
3 - Select Signal
4 - Select Ground
5 - Home Signal
6 - Home Ground
7 - Start Signal
8 - Start Ground
Paewang Buttons (left to right with USB wires coming out of the top/front):
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1 - R1
2 - R2
3 - Triangle
4 - O
5 - Square
6 - X
7 - L2
8 - L1
9 - Ground
6 wire ribbon cable:
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1 (red) - L1
2 - X
3 - O
4 - R2
5 - L2
6 - Ground
5 wire ribbon cable:
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1 (red) - Start
2 - Select
3 - Square
4 - Triangle
5 - R1
Joystick harness:
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1 - Black = Ground
2 - Green = Right
3 - Yellow = Left
4 - Orange = Up
5 - Red = Down
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Thanks for the interest. Unfortunately I don't have an Akishop PS360+. I only have the old model Akishop. But I do have a VLX. There are a lot of harnesses in that stick. You can easily disconnect the USB & stick/button wires and cut off any connectors and put them in the proper slots in the Akishop PCB. If you don't want to cut anything, try and research making your own (.110 connectors & JLF harness & just cut up a spare USB cable).
@AnthonyOgborn Well, you could de-solder it and use the one that came with the Mad Catz TE stick. Other than that, you could take any USB cable, cut the other end off and solder up the wires. Most all of them are color coded correctly: red is usually power (VCC), White is Data -, Green is Data +, and Black is ground. The 5th wire is also ground and usually connects to a shielding around the cable.
Yup, like the Akishop PCB, it's not a "dual-mod" (add-on) board, it's a complete replacement for the main PCB in the stick. You can put a Paewang in anything.
Yes, the Paewang is common ground. I didn't think it was at first because of all the connectors for the joysticks that had their own ground, but as you saw in the video I only used 1 ground and the 4 signals to use a common ground joystick (JLF) with the PCB.
@AerMateo Yeah, the Paewang PCB essentially replaces any PCB, so you could put it in any stick. The TvC stick would be tricky because it doesn't have the 24 mm Sawna buttons for start & select. Also, I couldn't be certain accessing the home & turbo buttons in the panel would be the exact same.
Thanks for taking the time to reply ! And thanks for the video ! I'm gonna be picking up one soon and the installing should be a breeze with this video !
@vietnamazin You can install it into a 360 stick. Accessing the home & turbo signals on an Xbox 360 PCB is much easier because there are pins for it.
You just have more options when starting with a 360 stick (various dual mod boards that sit alongside the stock PCB - ChImpSMD, etc.), so the Paewang (or Akishop) replacement PCB is what people with PS3 sticks prefer to go with.
Yes, the only difference with the TE and TE-S is the slight change to the case to have smaller sides and full-size top panel. The components are all the same - maybe a minor revision to the PCB, but you're replacing that. ;)
No, it's my take on the Vewlix cabinet that I designed and built by hand in 2008/2009. It was featured by Seth on the Capcom website in April 2009. Kray took the plans I put up on my website donovanmyers[dot]com, tweaked them, and started producing and selling them - which I'm totally fine with because I get requests for me to build them all the time and I'm happy to point people to him. He has great stuff and has really taken the cabinets much further.
I've gotten this question a lot across my various stick mod videos. The best advice I can give is to follow the traces on the ribbon cables. They are labeled at the PCB. I believe the extra wire is just another ground.
Good to know! If you have a volt meter, you could use the continuity setting to test which wire of the ribbon cable was which. I'm pretty sure that the main PCB is labeled where the ribbon cables connect on the other end of the punch down. It is on the TE and VS. You also might try searching Google images for 'Mad Catz TE-S pinout'. You could also try following the traces from the ribbon cable connectors to the .112" male quick disconnects that the button wires are connected to, they're labeled.
the original design of the paewang (plus it had other names over time) didn't have a common ground, so some older models won't. most places selling the pcb by itself are the new ones however. but you should always check with a multimeter with a continuity function (put one probe on each ground and if it beeps it means they are connected and thus common)
Yes, you can just cut off the ends of the ribbon cables for any mods. I don't know the SF x T layout, but you could find out yourself pretty easy: just look at where the ribbon cable hooks up to the PCB and it should be labeled. Alternatively, you could take a multi-meter and test continuity from the signal wire coming out of the punch-down (that's labeled) and a wire to figure it out.
Sorry for the late reply, busy with the holidays.
Oh nice though! I thought that was a Kraylix, but I noticed some differences. Thanks for getting back!
The Paewang that you can get from Focus Attack is a multi-console version (PS3/360/PC). I wasn't aware Paewang had a stick/PCB that didn't do both 360/PS3. I'm not sure what you mean by low input read. I don't have any testing equipment to know the exact millisecond rating of input registers, but it feels just as responsive as any other stick I have (MadCatz, Hori, Akishop, etc.)
@tsokoberst I have not done any lag tests, and I can't claim to be sensitive to input lag either. However, I would say the Akishop & Paewang are on par with each other. They both feel great on PS3 and 360 to me. Akishop is a unicorn at this point, so Paewang really is your best option for 360/PS3 dual compatibility in a non 360 stick.
I don't know off hand, I'm pretty sure that that area has wires that lead back to the main PCB in the metal casing. If so, you should be able to intercept those and use them as well. My VLX is a 360 version and I ended up using the super simple VLX Kitty to dual mod it.
Printed Circuit Board. AKA green rectangles with metal stuff and wires on them.
Thank you very much. I need to make my 360 TE work for the ps3 as well. Now I can finally go to tournaments .
The Paewang complete replaces any other PCB, and I don't believe it offers any 3-way capabilities. Since you have a 360 stick, you could use a dual-mod board, like the Phreak Mods TEasy Strike and that does let you have 3-way capability for PS3 and 360.
@b8ingmasta Yeah, the PCB replaces any main PCB so it could work in any stick. I'm relatively certain accessing the home/turbo buttons on the SFxT's top panel is the exact same, but I have not disassembled my stick to the point to confirm that.
Nope, sorry to confuse. Was just saying I don't know too much about it because when I dual moded my _360_ VLX, that I just popped a VLX Kitty in there. Your best bet with a PS3 stick is still the Akishop PS360+.
@markdaardvark Soldering isn't 'hard' and this might be a good first project. Just make sure to buy a soldering station that has heat control and will let you get the iron hot enough (over 700º). Most beginners downfall is buying a 'solder stick' from Radio Shack that never gets hot enough and they ruin the electronics waiting for solder to melt. The only other key is to remember to scratch the metal contacts on the Paewang where you'll solder new wires. The rest is cake.
THANKS! By the way, is that the Kraylix custom cabinet in the background in the beginning of the video?
Nice ! just what i was looking for !
@TruKaos1110 I'm not 100% positive, but I think you have a newer TE (Pro/V.S.) stick where the lock switch on the Guide/Turbo panel actually locks out the start & select buttons? I believe the KGND is what controls that (lock cuts the ground and keeps start & select from triggering).
I did this tutorial on a PS3 TE. As far as I know, the LED boards are independent of the PCB and function based on detecting button signals (and run off ground/power pulled from anything), so I don't see why not. ;)
I have never come across anyone who's shorted out a PCB in the TE. And I myself have done some sketchy things that should have killed it. I would double check to make sure that the USB wires are securely connected and not crossed in anyway.
Hey Donovan, the ribbon cables that connect to the TE-S are both 6 wire cables, is there anyway to tell which cable corresponds to which button on the actual ribbon? I like the simplicity of the punch out and would rather I not have to get rid of it.
@RaiClan Not sure what other tests you can do besides verifying power & turbo functionality. Is this a 360 or PS3? On the PS3 all of the functionality is on the Home/Turbo PCB. But with the 360 there's a separate main PCB for everything else. Does nothing else work? How do you know it's been damaged? Too many factors here to really give an opinion. ;)
@TruKaos1110 I'm not 100% sure. But I know getting at those solder points is 100% easier since turbo, guide, and power are all pinned out and easy to get to. I would do it just in case.
I think the Presoldered Bundle is basically like it was ripped out of one of their sticks. It has the USB cable, wiring harness for the buttons and joystick. The PCB only would require you to provide your own joystick and button wires as well as solder them to the PCB. You probably also have to provide USB cable and solder it as well. If you aren't super anal and want everything soldered by you, I'd go with the bundle.
Are you talking about the 'break away' part of an Xbox cable? And are you talking about the one that came with your stick or the Paewang? The Paewang comes with a USB cable.
The only reason I can come up with is because it didn't work properly when I tried it without the VCC connection. :P I think because the home & turbo buttons are not mechanical, you need current (power) running through them to function properly.
Thank you kind sir! And sorry for being rude before, I was upset because I had dropped my Stick on the floor and I kinda had to open it and fix with 0 knowledge.
All good now though.
My PCB for home and turbo took slight water damage.
I'm looking at this PCB perhaps as a means to replace. I still get power into the PCB, and turbo still functions. Are there any tests I should do on the PCB or perhaps a replacement I can get to make sure I don't waste money on getting the Paewang?
I know this video is old but I hope you can answer me because it would be very helpful. I have the brook universal fighting board. and i have joytron revolution. and I would like to know the layouts for the Turbo, Back, Home, and Start buttons because I want to use the usb cable but I tried to find which cable corresponds to each button (the red, black, green, white etc). I would appreciate. Thanks
hi, i just wired everything up and it seems that only the joystick works. Can you please help me ?
i'm trying to do this mod on a MLG version of the TE, and it has 2 six ribbon cables instead the 5 and 6 as in your video. any help?
I have a problem with the right direction on the pcb not responding at all
Cool video I have a question is this pcb common ground or no ?? Thanks
I'd like to do this but I have no experience soldering. How difficult do you this would be for me. Should I skip this all together or maybe a little bit of practice should do?
I have to choose between 2 versions of paewang revolution( PCB only or Presoldered Bundle) . do you know what is the difference between these???
could i do what you did at 10:17 with the mc cuthulhu?
and if so what is the lay out when both are 6 wires from the punch down?
im useing the playstation version sf x tekken vs pro stick
Someone else had a similar issue, it was as simple as the lock being on. The lock isn't on is it? ;)
is there a reason why you need to wire VCC to Madcatz pcb? Wouldn't it work just with Home & Turbo signal wires and Ground? Madcatz PCB doesn't have to be powered does it? Thanks!
Can the Paewang Revolution work on the 360 TE as well? As in a revers mod to what you did 360 TE to PS3. And would the mod be done the same way ?
Hey man, I really enjoyed this video. I have a question, I own an omni which has this pcb in it and it recently started going off and on. Like connecting and sometimes not connecting. I figured it's the cause of one of those 5 main wires that go out to the usb cable. I don't know much about electronics but I ordered a soldering kit and desoldered those points. The turbo etc buttons are still soldered on. But I can't seem to solder suck the points out to clean it up so I can put the wire through it and resolder them better than when I originally purchased it. Any advice on what I should do? It's such a small space i'm working with on that pcb and being I don't know how to properly solder and the wires on the back are still on it moves about, I can't seem to desolder.
Thanks! Glad to hear it. Did you get a good soldering iron that can get up to around 700º? That might be a problem if you bought one of those plug-in 'stick' irons from Radio Shack/Home Depot. -- Try using a pair of pliers to hold the wire and apply some pulling force. With your other hand use the soldering iron to heat up the solder/wire and it should hopefully pull out. Still having trouble, maybe you can cut the wire close to get it out of the way and perhaps remove the PCB to give yourself more room to work with.
Can this tutorial work for a PS3 TE as well? And can I link this with a led board as well?
Can you install into a 360 stick or must it be installed into a ps3 stick?
Do you know about fixing the DP/LS/RS mine is stuck on RS (Madcatz TES+) button not broken.
Someone told me its the circuit board, Works excellent on PC not on PS4.
would this work with a tournament edition S stick?
hi ! thank you for your vidéo ! can you say me if this 3-way Joystick option is always fonctionnal when you pass in XBOX360 mod ? if not, do you know if it's possible to add a 3-way Joystick fonction in my Hori X360 Soul Edition ?
thank you !
Did you connect the extra ground wire? I have the same situation
I don't recall, if I didn't do it in the video, probably not? But there shouldn't be any negative effects from attaching another ground wire.
Donovan Myers Obviously you never used Gamerfinger buttons.
can this pcb work on the new sfxt fight stick pros?
@psk239 Yes.
what the fuck is a pcb