The fact that he looked at the score machine to make sure Till's points would be more than his and then kissed him one last time MAKES IT EVEN MORE HEARTBREAKING LIKE WHY DONT YOU JUST STAB ME IN THE HEART INSTEAD OF KILLING ME LIKE THIS 😭
so i've been rewatching the rounds and i realized something. in round 5 when mizi starts beating the shit out of luka, the guards come and pull her off of him, wrangle her away, and only after all that just START to point a gun at her head. but because of all that, the resistance had time to come in and save her. so when ivan started doing the same thing, they began shooting him down immediately. because if they didn't, it would give the resistance time to come in and save him, and they don't want that to happen again. that's why none of the guards approached. they would rather kill him quickly than give opportunity for saving 😭
Ivan sacrificed everything, even himself, for Till. The fact that Ivan is dressed in white (like Sua) like he's a corpse while Till is dressed in black (like Mizi) like he's going to a funeral is heartbreaking.
i just realized that in the first round it's also the same, the one who wear white dies, and the one who wear black live but with grieve and regrets probably
There's something truly sad about how Till tries to push Ivan away when he kisses him, but just goes limp when Ivan starts choking him. For a character that's always seen fighting back, when his best friend seemingly tried to kill him, he just accepted it. I think Till went into this competition with the expectation that he would lose, maybe even hoping he would lose since now the only thing that made life worth it to him (Mizi) was gone. Then, his realization of what Ivan did, the fact that Ivan must've felt for him what he felt towards Mizi - that Till dying would've made life pointless for Ivan...
Im wondering if luca will try to provoke till the same way he provoked mizi, since he sees this as a way to secure victory. And i wanna see how till would react to that
@@totoro413i don't (fully) think Luka would do that, especially since he seems to be kinda tired of winning. There could even be a chance of him working with the rebellion because of how he acted when he noticed Hyuna helping Mizi on Round 5
Something that i realised is how Till says "Let me drown in you" (0:51) to Mizi because he loves and adore Mizi, but she isn't interested in him which makes him crave that love from her even more. He wants to drown in her love but he cant because her love wasnt meant for him, it was meant for Sua. Ivan on the other hand says "I'll drown in you" (2:20) indicating that he can and WILL drown in his love for Till. "Drowning" in this case implies that he'll lose himself the deeper he goes. So this means he'll willingly love Till, even if it means he will lose himself in the process.
OH YOU ARE VILE FOR POINTING THIS OUT. IM NEVER GONNA KNOW PEACEFUL REST EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS. (/pos thank u for giving me another thing to think about at night)
Fun fact! (It's not a fun fact I'm on the brink of tears) The Korean word used in "drown" when translated literally can also mean to dye, to color, to infect, or to *taint.* Till's literally singing "Let me be tainted by you," and Ivan's literally singing "Let me taint you,"
Notice how Till's neck doesn't even have marks of choking? That means Ivan was just holding his hands on his neck, not even trying to hurt him... God, I'm crying...
I think what sickens me the most about this is that Ivan didn't even look happy when he was kissing Till, and he died smiling because Till finally acknowledged him
I thought he smiled because he knew for sure he was gonna die at that point and till would be saved, he looked panicked a moment before when he saw till was unresponsive
I think one of the saddest things about this is how when we see Till’s pov Ivan is never in it, but when we see Ivan’s pov Till is EVERYWHERE. Every other person or face is not important like Till is to Ivan, meanwhilr Till doesn’t even SEE Ivan. And he knew, he knew his love wasn’t reciprocated, it’s so clear in his lyrics too 😭😭 I feel like Ivan knew he was going to die the second he turned back to go with Til…. ((I JUST REALIZED THE FIRSY TIME HE ‘SEES’ IVAN IS AFTER HIS NECK IS LET GO AND IVAN LOOKS SO HAPPY RAHHH IM NOT OK))
The tragic thing for me was seeing how far Ivan has gone to keep Till safe. He literally disguised himself as a security guard to get Till out of that bar. I can only imagine the other things he’s done. I believe that’s the whole reason why he became the fan favorite. He knew being loved by the aliens would give him more freedom to protect and keep Till alive. As the favorite, he had to go through horrifying things but it was all worth it if it meant Till was still there. Truly, Ivan is the best character for me.
YEAH! Ivan already done so many for Till, just showing how much he loves him 😭 It's break my heart that Till finally look at him in the last moment of his life :')))
아 진짜 어케해야할지 모르겠다 이제 ㅋㅋ 이제는 진짜로 일상생활에 문제가 생길정도임.. 몇개월전 6라보고 절망에 빠져있다가 7라보고 이젠그냥 현실부정 하고있는 나를 발견함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 공부든 운동이든 수업이든 뭘 하고있다가도 개뜬금없이 '틸이 왜 죽지?' 라는 생각이 머릿속에 자꾸 떠오름 그러고는 갑자기 또 절망에 빠지면서 3라 보고 이반 그리워하고.. ㅋㅋ 진짜 이것만 계속 반복하다가 정신병 올것같음 ㅠ 이게 다 몰카였으면 어땠을까.. 이반이랑 틸이 사실 죽지 않은거였다면 얼마나 좋았을까 ㅜ 솔직히 이반이 너무 안타깝다ㅜ 사랑했지만 받지못하고 죽고.. 자신의 시선은 항상 틸에게 가있었지만 틸의 시선은 항상 미지에게 꽂혀있었다는게.. 한마디로 걍 존나 개슬픔.
i noticed that during till’s last line before the kiss, he’s actually not singing (2:58), meaning he was purposefully trying to lose, and when ivan noticed this he made sure till would win by acting “aggressively” on stage 🥲
You know, if you compared Ivan's performance in black swan to here, Ivan sang less emotionally here. What I theorised was that the more emotions you put in your singing, the higher points you will get. Cause if you were to hear closely when till was singing, when he thought of sua his voice got raspier. Ivan's voice was similarly like that in black Swan when he started thinking of till. Ivan wanted to throw the entire performance all along by singing more monotonously. Then at the end, till gave up, like what you pointed out. Ivan doubled down and did the choking act, but probably kissed him first because fuck it all right?
Everyones saying that Till is singing like he's given up but like can we talk about how Ivan sings? He's confident and determined because he knows what he has to do😭
Like this was a major jump from his original song, disobeying in like every conceivable manner like he sang the whole part without letting the other guy sing, he killed the guitar alien all with a smirk and passion on his face. He sang with more passion and intensity in his voice and the majority was in English (I don’t think that’s really apart of it I just find it neat). However now he’s quite the opposite. He is singing like how Alien stage is intended to be sung, the genre and tone of the song is completely different than the previous song. While his voice is still really good it lacks the same spark the original song has since it was a huge shift. I know a lot of people point out how Till dresses like if he was going to a funeral and Ivan to wedding. But I also want to point out how different their wardrobes are from the original songs. In Round 2 till was wearing a white loose t-shirt with [not too] loose pants. He also had no shoes which again I feel was meant to show his rebellious nature. Again his current appearance is the opposite a tucked in? (Could be wrong) black shirt that is now missing any design that the last one had. As well as the tight black pants, it’s more form-fitting like he has decided to con”form” with alien stage ever since mizi disappeared. While it’s obvious that he lost his spark and is going through grief and depression because of it the I like how the a simple black outfit can reflect that. Now on to Ivan’s outfit. The most clear difference between his previous and current outfit is the color, from black to white. However there is more about his outfit is that it was constricted I am unsure on what exactly it is (belt?) however now In round 6 those restrictions are no longer seen on him. His current outfit is (recycling the same thing i said about till) except Ivan’s outfit is less form fitting, looser reflecting that he no has anything else to hide because he already knows he will die (he definitely had this planned out) it’s much asymmetrical and has more flow in comparison to his previous outfit. I absolutely adore how Vivinos designs the characters and their outfits to reflect the state they’re in.
What’s so heartbreaking about Ivan strangling Till to save him, is the symbol of Ivan taking off Till’s collar that has shown up so many times throughout the series. In their backstory, we see Ivan taking off Till’s restraints on multiple occasions, especially the collar over his mouth. He does it back in Ankat Garden when they make their escape attempt, and he’s shown doing it in the flashback in this episode as well. While the aliens want to stifle Till’s chaotic and rebellious nature, Ivan loves that part about Till, and he wants to free him from his bindings, no matter how loud and violent he can sometimes be. But, when Mitzi disappeared, Till lost his rebellious spirit. As he sings during this round he looks defeated, hopeless, with no fight left to give. Ivan can’t stand for that. He has to help Till get his spirit back, no matter the cost. By Ivan’s final act being strangling Till, what he’s really doing is taking of his collar. He reaches for Till’s neck, for the hundredth time, for the last time, intent, as always, to free Till from the aliens. And when his hands fall away, Till is free -free from the fate that awaited him, and maybe, just maybe, with Ivan’s death, Till can regain his rebellious spirit again.
I hadn't thought of the parallel between choking and he being constantly the one to remove Till's collar and muzzle. Thank you for the renewed pain, I'll got to sleep crying again
But why did Ivan have to die? I hope Till loved Ivan a little bit. I think Ivan was loved by the aliens and that's why he could be saved. If that happens, I hope they will be together.
Ivan is the only character not seen in aneyone memory . While every character had someone they considered thear god and their beloved , Ivan is the only unloved mf . Btw does aneyone know how to tie an rope?
Vivinos really said "Your favorite ship gets to kiss, but its the most unsatisfying and uncomfortable one-sided kiss ever and it only happens because one of them wants go out with no regrets."
I think it’s to make the guards think that he’s being super aggressive to be sacrificed and the last little kiss is like a confession and goodbye at the same time🤷♂️
I love how much Alien Stage reflects a lot of cheesy TV tropes like the love... circle? Triangle? Where everyone likes everyone but never back thing. But instead of playing it for a joke or something silly, it's written in a way that breaks your heart into a million pieces because the contestants' love is the one thing they got to choose for themselves.
the last part hit hard, and you are right, ALL of it is not their choice, their clothing, how they are shown to their fans, their music (only Till got to sing a song he created alone)
The fact that Ivan only smiles at the end once he knows Till is safe 😭 He doesn’t smile while kissing the person he loves but only after he’s sure Till would live 🥹 I am not okay
Can I tell you about my Oc for Alien Stage? This idea, kinda has been done before. Especially with the original Macross Anime. But hear me out though . What if the male character I'm making who loves Ivan back , is half Alien and half human . But he was exiled from society . I know this is a mess but it's a draft idea so far . We haven't seen half human, half alien characters in Alien Stage. And I think it would be interesting. I haven't decided how Ivan and my Oc will meet yet. But I want Ivan to have a guy who loves him too. I think Ivan will teach my Oc what it means to be human . I was a bit inspired by the original Macross Anime and it's movie Do You Remember Love? And Gunslinger Girl / Violet Evergarden for making my Oc. I named him Noah . What do you think? 👀
Ivan is the true Gigachad of the story, he got what he wanted (made Till aware of his feelings) and sacrificed himself in order to protect who he loved, his black sorrow.
feeling kinda a little too dead inside atm after watching but ngl this comment made me actually chuckle & feel a bit better especially the "his black sorrow" at the end lol like ah so true, you shall be forever slay icon Ivan, our King (doomed) Yaoi the third 🤧😭🖤
When you realise the shine in Ivan's eyes was gone when he was choking and kissing Till, but it came back when he saw Till's score go up and at the end when he knew that Till was gonna live and go to the next round
SPOILER! I know Vivinos said that she doesn't want the side characters to overshadow Mizi but honestly speaking, I feel like Till's death was such a waist of not only his potential as a character but Ivan's sacrifice as well. I'm lowkey in denial because of that
Omg I agree with this because if Ivan wouldn’t have sacrificed himself Till would’ve lost but in the next round Ivan would have been most likely to win
@@daniela_loves_narutoWell not really because luka was literally MADE for ALNST, his overall ranking skills surpass ivan’s and the other contestants of ALNST, the only person with better stats than him is Hyuna, who is a rebel and not a part of ALNST anymore. Regarding the original comment, i think yes, there was a lot that could have been more centered on till as the round was supposed to be till centered but i cannot complain although i would have liked to see more about till’s own potential and persona, im happy with how everything came out to be. I think at the end it all goes to Mizi’s character development as shes the MC
Idk if this detail was intentional, but Ivan looks like a groom getting married, and Till looks like he's going to a funeral. Maybe the same could be extended to Mizi and Sua.
His collar didn't explode, he just got shot so there's still chance he can be saved since he is also valuable to those alien. IVAN IS ALIVE (copium💀) Edit: Everyone in replies is TOTALLY SANE (me included) 😊😊😊
It's the "you wont realize how much they truly loved you til it's too late" trope that breaks me :( PLEASE LET HIM MIRACULOUSLY BE ALIVE BRUH I CANT TAKE IT
Notice how Ivan's body is shown we might still have hope. Sua's body wasn't shown in her and Mizi's round, so she's dead asf (let me cope i am coping im nkt entirely really sure if ivan will miraculously come out from his grave, BUT LET ME COPE)
@anotherstranger1273 Also Everytime the lyrics "end of this story" appear it all shows Till in the scene and in both of those times that line appeared, the line that comes next fits well with Ivans "death"
0:15 is where he began singing btw, future me Edit: btw, notice how when it was Till’s turn, it’s all flashbacks of himself and barely Ivan but when it’s Ivan’s turn, it’s just Till this, Till that?
Guys, can we take a moment to appreciate the foreshadowing? In black sorrow, Ivan sang "at the end of this story, there is only a cold spot stained with blood and such black, black sorrow." And we all know who black sorrow is meant to signify? TILL. i am not okag 😭
OML THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. there are a couple of parallels in black sorrow and cure. (2:59 mentions the story bit) (in black sorrow the lyrics "where eyes reach, where your fingertips brush" and 0:15 - 0:30 "allow me, to the tips of your fingers, allow me, to the ends of your feet, dissolve me in your gaze)
So does that mean he was already planning on sacrificing himself even before black sorrow? 😭 PLS I JUST STOPPED CRYING A MOMENT AGO, I COULD FEEL IT COMING AGAIN
I didn't even notice that Til stopped singing until I listened to the official video from Studio LICO. In this video you can hear him sing in the audio but if you watch his lips he stopped. That's why Ivan acted when he did, otherwise Til would have lost then and there.
@@escolastica2926 also because the song is cut short here. The Studio LICO version has another couple of verses that they didn’t get to cause Til stopped.
It’s the way that at the end, after the painfully one sided kiss and the “choking” (which even if till wasn’t actually being choked it’s still painful to have someone grab your neck like that) Ivan gives one last small, gentle kiss knowing it’s the last thing he’ll ever do right before he dies
@@PatientSqueaky I aspire for your level of delusionality 😭 I don’t think they making it outta this one all we can do is hope that Mizi doesn’t get caught and that round 7 doesn’t have a death
the fact that in the first round Mizi wore a black dress and Sua a white dress and in the sixth round Till wears a black outfit and Ivan wears a white outfit represents that, Ivan and Sua died in peace for the person they loved while Till and Mizi they will mourn their sacrifice...
Ok but nobody talking about Till’s vocals???????? He had already shown a more soft vocal in Clematis but THIS 😭 he sounds so tired and broken Edit: Also the fact that Ivan sounds so composed in comparison to Black sorrow where he lowkey snapped at the end, He was so sure of what he was about to do, bro I cannot with this Both voice actors were on a mission to DESTROY us
Hearing Till not singing violently and more to soft voice is just so..🥹 bit to add that Till look really dead in his eyes,he really had enough of this things(he even accept ivan choked him and not even fights back😭)
I just noticed this but- During his first song Till sang a determined love song, while Ivan sang a sorrowful song. Now Ivan is singing a determined love song, while Till is singing a sorrowful song.
IVAN SMILED AT THE END WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS DYING AND THAT MEANT TILL WOULD LIVE AND THAT ENOUGH MADE HIM HAPPY EVEN WHILE DYING I AM IN SHAMBLES edit: guys my notifs please, i know what happens next i'm still in recovery ok....... 😭
I think it's also because for once Till looked at Ivan in the eyes. It's sad though that in his last moments Ivan is finally in Tills eyeline, yet would never have the same impact as Mizi.
@@TheLawlessRogue People are theorizing that Ivan's doing a special type of chokehold where he's holding Till's neck from the sides instead of the front so that makes it seem like he's choking Till without actually hurting him. And he did all that to guarantee Till's victory.
Si, estoy segura de que Ivan noto que Till iba a perder y lo asfixio para salvarlo, por eso las balas eran dociles, porque eran de advertencia para que parara 😭
I knew he would do the same 😭 he said all that cuz he knew well that till only sees mizi, and if he dies, it won't affect till as much as sua did to mizi (is what ivan thinks at least ,in my opinion T*T) cuz mizi actually loves sua
What I noticed, what I understood and how I interpreted this. 1.- In the first seconds of this round we hear the beatings of a heart while we watch different moments of Tills life and the experiments that he has endured, almost like he is watching his life pass in front of his eyes. He expects to die at the end of this round and when his actual face is revealed it shows how everything he has gone through is finally taking a toll on him (of course this happens after his reason to live is no where to be found, without Mizi he doesn’t see a reason to move forward). 2.- When he starts singing and the picture behind him shows we can notice the differences between his personality now and how it was back when mizi was “alive”, he is clearly boring the audience as they all look at him with an unimpressed gaze (also, he is competing against a fan favorite). And the phrase “ I don’t want to let you go” makes reference to mizi. Every single line he sings and almost every memory makes reference to her and to her death, Till genuinely thinks he is dead without her. 3.-Then we get the first and only memory of Ivan. From Till’s perspective we get that both of them got into a fight when they were kids and the gaze that Ivan used to look at Till is rather…. Sadistic Unbothered?. I think this is the perception that Till has of Ivan, he isn’t able to read him and therefore has always thought Ivan was annoying him for the fun of it. This scene shifts to a memory of Ivan, as he finds Till knocked out in the karaoke bar. 4.- It’s clear to see the parallel between both memories, the only thing that makes a difference is the way that Ivan looks at Till, his eyes are sparkling, as he is looking at his beloved. 5.- This parallel between scenes shows us that Till doesn’t actually know about Ivan’s feeling for him and that he has always interpreted them as hatred or dismissive, in the other hand, Ivan actually looks at Till lovingly in every memory of himself, he even has the permission to take of the collar of Till. (I don’t think every human can take off the collar of everyone else, but Ivan CAN. This makes me wonder if he is the one who usually saves till and takes care of him, to the point that the guardians have ALLOWED him to do so). 6.-Ivan lyrics also makes reference to Till in every moment. “Even if your cold words carve scars beneath my eyes…” this clearly makes reference to the way Till treats Ivan (which I assume is not pleasant, as Till is almost unaware of his existence). For example: In a community post we see Till complaining about Ivan wishing he would go away, he thinks that Ivan’s presence is making Mizi go away. Ivan just states that Mizi never plays with him, the one that does so is Ivan. 7.- Is almost as if Mizi takes the place of Ivan in every memory of Till, that’s the level of obsession Till has of Mizi. 8.- I wouldn’t be surprised if Ivan was constantly devastated from the things Tills says. This lack of acknowledgement forces Ivan to do drastic things like getting in a physical fight with Till and sadly this is the ONLY memory Till has of Ivan (paragraph 3) so this drastic measures actually work. 9.- The next scene reflects what actually Ivan wants to be noticed, the looks of affection he gives, the gentleness. Nonetheless, the only thing that gets a reacting from Till are the things Ivan doesn’t like (dramatic gestures). And I think Ivan doesn’t really like the grand gestures because of his judgment of Sua and her decision to die for Mizi. (The ultimate sacrifice just for the sake of being remembered). 10.- I want to make another point, in round 3 we can see a flash back of a red flower crown flying past Ivan and Till going after it. I think what happened is that Mizi made this flower crown for Sua, the flower crown flew away and till wanted to get it back for Mizi (who wanted it for Sua) Mizi and Till go into the home of an alien flower (also shown in the memories) and the flower eats this flower crown, making Till try and fight with the alien plant to get it back for Mizi, Till ends up getting hurt and Ivan just watches from the back. (This is what I can deduce with round 3 flashbacks). In this round we see another flashback of that same day (maybe) where Ivan is watching the plant form the back and one where he is touching its teeth, I think either Ivan calmed down the plant or he managed to get the flower crown from its mouth without getting hurt, whatever happened it culminated on Ivan getting Tills wound treated (Mizi probably fled the scene or trusted Ivan to take care of Tills, as they were close friends even if Tills doesn’t seem to recall that). 11.- Then Ivan is seen caressing Tills wounded face in a hospital and finally Tills running away from their attempted escape. This is even more devastating as we can now interpret their escape as Ivan’s way of saving Till for the millionth time, expecting to be saved at the same time, expecting Till to be grateful and running away with him because maybe, just maybe, Till will care enough about both of them to move forward and finally acknowledge the sacrifices Ivan constantly makes for him, but alas, Till runs away and decides their fate. 12.- We see a glimpse of real life Till being depressed as Ivan pours his heart out in the chorus. “In your gaze where I’m seen…” he doesn’t even look at Ivan in the memories nor in real life. Till cannot see the suffering in Ivan, and Ivan just sees the suffering of Till. Ivan was never seen, every glimpse of his memory he longs for the gaze of Till, but he never acquires it. 13.- “Face to face we dance…” Ivan keeps looking at Till, trying to make it about them. “With our story…” Till looks in front of him thinking about Mizi. He stops singing and Ivan directly starts his plan. Even when he KNOWS Ivan is heading towards him, Till is not bothered to look at him. 3:04. Until he has to. 14.- And for the first time the roles change, The one with sparking eyes is Till and Ivan just looks at him without anything. The first kiss they shared and Till is still unable to read Ivan. For him, this came out of nowhere 3:15. His surprise changes to alert when Ivan grabs him by the throat. Ivan isn’t even hurting him. 15.- Ivan is concerned for the lack of resistance that Till shows, Ivan has fell in love with the resilience and defiance of Tills personality and now it’s nowhere to be found. The numbers change and Ivan’s plan works, he starts being killed for the “aggression” he is committing. Even when he is dying, till is not looking at him. Finally he lets go, as he ensures his loved one will survive. And as he falls his last picture is Till finally looking at him. Ivan smiles as a last goodbye, the smile is enough to make Till understand everything he hadn’t noticed before. There is no people, no Mizi, no aliens, no cameras and no microphones. It’s only Ivan, as the spotlight focuses on them, Till realizes he has lost the only thing that was constant, the reason he has actually managed to survive this long. Meanwhile, Ivan is now the thing he despised, he has done this last grand gesture to make Till look at him (paragraph 9). He has died in what he longed all along. Maybe it was never meant to be. Edit: OMG GUYS YOU ARE SO NICE.
That small and tender kiss at 3:23 is such a painful yet beautiful detail. It feels like a last declaration of pure love, a goodbye and confession at the same time. I teared up at that moment.
@@dotbread I've watched this scene too much, I guess that's why I noticed immediately😭. Anyway you're welcome fellow Ivantill shipper! (I'm assuming you're one🙏)
2:04 The flowers Ivan stepped on were actually the flower headband Mizi gave to sua and somehow Sua lost it in winds, We saw Till chasing the same Headband in round 3 when Ivan first saw Till. And here in this scene Till got angry on Ivan just bcuz Ivan ruined the headband related to Mizi.
The thing is it is confirmed that those flowers are little aliens/cameras used to spy on anakt children, so Ivan stepping on them and destroying them whenever he’s close to Till maybe explains why Aliens never knew that Ivan loved Till.
@@Mythwalker_1408 It’s not that Till is dumb, Ivan’s just never told Till the truth about the the flower crown. All Till knows is that the flower crown was Mizi’s and Ivan stepped on it, ruining it. So while Ivan technically did the right thing by killing the flowers, I feel like he mostly did it just so he could see Till be mad
I know people keep saying we don't see any trace of Ivan in Till's eyes until it was already too late, but I think it's more tragic to point out that we do see Till 'see' Ivan during his section. When they were kids, when Ivan had no light in his eyes. So, I think it'a more appropriate to say that the end was more like the first time Till ever saw the light in Ivan's eyes and been able realize that that light had always been for him.
THE LITTLE SMOOCH IVAN GIVE TO TILL BEFORE DIYING AS A FREAKIN FAREWELL TO THEN START "CHOKING" HIM SO HIS OWN POINTS DOWN AND ALSO HIS BELOVED AND FRIEND DOESN'T SEE HIM BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST BREAKS MY SOUL 😭😭
Can we talk about how Till's final score is 89 and in Round 3, when Ivan wasn't self-sabotaging, his was 90? One point difference. Again. The parallels to Mizi and Sua are endless. I'm so tired Vivinos, what about my mental health? Huh? I've got exams coming up and all I can think of is these two little bastards. I miss you so much Ivan.
I find Till's development in this clip very interesting. You can see here that he's given up. He is the first to stop singing, he barely resists Ivan during the kiss. It's such a stark contrast to the first clip. Till from the past could put up a fight, but he doesn't now. Till is so devastated. On the cotrust, seeing Ivan's eagerness to fight for every bit of attention from Till, and his immense strength for self-sacrifice really breaks my heart.
Yeah, and he's like that because Mizi disappeared. In the first clip she was almost next to him and basically the song was dedicated to her. Now, with her missing, he feels like he has nothing to lose anymore and I find this pretty interesting since we know that Mizi loved Sua and showed no interest in Till. He's so in love with her and devoted it hurts...
Came back from Round 7, I love how they all came back to life and defeated the aliens and continue living together!!! Sua and Mizi living in the same house and Ivan and Till dating, while Hyuna slaying. They got the happy ending they deserved 💗🥺
틸 점수높은거 확인하고 다정하게 키스하는거 미쳤나. 그때까지도 틸은 당연히 자기가 질 줄 알고 있었겠지. 이반 팬들이 압도적으로 많으니까. 그래서 목이 졸리는 순간까지도 자기가 진 줄 알고 죽을 준비하는데 틸 눈치못채게 이반은 총 맞으면서도 놔주질 않았고 나중에 틸이 이반 쓰러진 거 보고 상황파악하는게 맴찢임. 마지막 순간에서야 틸은 이반의 수 많은 배려 중 하나를 알아챘겠지..쓰발 너무 슬퍼...
can we just talk about how much emotion Ivans eyes had at 3:40 normally his eyes don't have highlights which makes him feel inhumane but as soon as he realizes he's actually going to die his eyes become more human
I read a theory that his eyes finally lit up only after he realized his plan worked and Till would have a chance to win and be safe and live- now I'm crying-
@@Haz3l.Sa1yeah i was thinking that was probably the case too. if i loved someone as much as ivan did i wouldn’t be scared to die. i’d be happy that i was able to get the person i love to live
it’s the fact that ivan holds on until the last bullet hits that makes me go crazy… he knew that if he let go on the first bullet, the aliens would have just saved him. so he kept pushing until the point of no return…and that’s why when the final killing bullet hits he smiles immediately before letting go…
Notice how starting from 2:54 of the vid, Ivan's eye lack those glint or white stuff on his eye, they only came back when, FIRST, when he was looking at the scores. Then SECOND, when he was shot for the last time. Notice how he lacked those glint while kissing Till. It's as if he wanted Till to hate him even more, so that the ending can be less painful. Notice how, even with the cold demeanor and forcing Till, at the end, he was able to be relieved that the person he loves most got to live. That even then, Ivan managed to show who he really is to Till before dying. Just like in Black Sorrow, Ivan's mask broke because of Till, and in the end, Ivan's end, it was still Till who broke that mask of his. Only Till.
im sure you also suffered typing this comment as much as i have suffered and cried soooo much reading this. bet it was like : 'notice...*sobsobsob* how even, *cries*'
It felt a lot like ivan was trying to make till hate him even more so till would remember him, kinda like how it was hinted that sua originally was going to sacrifice herself for mizi to save mizi and also so mizi would remember her
@@msk-qp6fn hits hard when you remember the community post where Ivan talks to Sua about being selfish and sacrificing herself because Ivan sAYS to her "you'll be a traumatic experience to Mizi" he knows Till doesn't love him, nor even look at him even when Mizi isn't around, but he still plays up his cold persona so Till doesn't pity Ivan when he dies- which knows he will. Ivan doesn't want any good memories attached to him in Till's mind so that Till can continue fighting and live on with no heartbreak.
Something I noticed about Ivan is that I feel like, whenever Till looked like he was feeling down or looked like he was on the verge of giving up, Ivan would do things to purposefully grate on tills nerve in order to get him to fight. I think he did that because he fell in love with Till and his fighting spirit and never wanted to see it die out. I feel like it's also part of the reason why he kissed Till during the competition as well. Because of Mizi being gone, he looked like he was on the verge of giving up and Ivan didn't want that. Granted I'm just speculating, but it feels like a common theme.
wow, i agree! just noticed that. maybe he had mutipple plans an intentions behind the kiss and strangling. making sure he would get disqualified, trying to make till mad and keep fighting..
@@swaggooo9638 I personally feel like it was, again, in part to incentivse Till to fight back like he always did. Possibly a wrong interpretation, but that's my perspective. I also know it's quite likely he wanted the score to stay the same so that he would be the one killed.
ok but how the second kiss feels much more genuine. Like after he checks the scores he gives him a short gentle one that feels both like a reassurance and a goodbye. Since Ivan tends to always look out for him in the past I guess thats how his genuine emotions shows up more. And that's when Till looks calm, really sees him and fully embrace him and the situation.
I have a funny feeling that luka would try to manipulate till and break him further the same way he did so to mizi if he does get affected by Ivan badly... Not sure if that's good or bad because it did give Mizi a chance to be rescued but they might just kill Till on the spot- same way they did to Ivan.
While Till was singing about asking to be loved, to be seen. "Allow me to be on the tips of your fingers. Allow me to the ends of your feet". Basically saying "I don't care if you just use me, please look at me". And is recalled on the next verse "please, hurt me so that not a single drop of me remains." Basically asking for even a violent or toxic relationship. Ivan sang demanding to be loved. "Even if your cold words cave scars beneath my eyes. May they linger on your tongue" meaning, I know you see me, even if it's not like I wished, you can see me. "Notice my pain and mend me right now. To quiet my fears, I'll drown in you." Unlike Till, he's not asking, not begging, he's telling him his feelings directly knowing they might not be corresponded. "Sick of these nights to come. To be engulfed in silence." Was the moment he decided to not let Till lose.
이게 진짜 미치는 점이 마지막의 마지막까지 찐한 키스가 아니라 가벼운 버드키스라는게 이반이 틸을 사랑하는 감정이 진짜 순수한 사랑에서 나오는 아카페라는게 쫌 죽고싶어짐. 이반은 음침한집착광공처럼 보였는데 사실 가장 순수한 사랑을 하고 있었던 거임.... 맹목적인..... 이반은 틸 살리려고...어쩌면 틸에게 크게 기억되도록한 발악이였을지도 모르겠음.... 어쨌든 이반은 애초에 죽으려 올라온 무대같음....
not only till doesn't think about ivan at all, but he doesn't look at him ONCE until he's physically forced to. even in ivan's flashbacks he only looks at ivan when he's provoked (when they have a fight, when ivan touches his wound) speaking of that fight they have... (2:03) ivan seems particularly happy. i wonder if it's because till is paying attention to him for once. even the lyrics go "notice my pain"
@@Bright_Berry-Roiit's clear, I think Ivan is just there in till's life, he finally saw/notice Ivan at the end. It's always when they die they realise 😭
@@Bright_Berry-Roi nobody thinks that lol but it's more obvious since it's the first time we see them together in present time. it's not just that till can't spare ivan a thought, he can't even spare him a glance. it's like ivan is a ghost, which is a sharp contrast to how obsessive ivan is about till. it's also interesting how the till-mizi unrequited love feels a lot more innocent compared to ivan-till. it's probably because till is much less touchy and much more respectful, and also has other interests/things he cares about
@@inkcat7idk what u mean with "nobody thinks that" but I'm sure most do with the flashback and all. But yes sure that doesn't mean they are friends, maybe to till but I doubt that. Ivan is just there in till's life.
BROOOO A TEAR APPEARED WHEN HE REALIZED HIS PLAN SUCCEEDED (WHEN HE GETS SHOT AND SPITS BLOOD, WHEN HIS GAZE SOFTENS) HOW COME I ONLY KNEW ABT THIS KNOW AGHHHHHHHH, I THOUGHT THE ONLY ONE WHO CRIED WAS TILL. TURNS OUT THEY BOTH CRIED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
i'd just like to point out the fact that ivan fell in love with till because of his rebellious attitude and his spirit, when he fought against that monster dog thing when he they were still kids at the episode for round three. and the fact that part of till had only shone out because mizi was there with him, presumably wanting to protect mizi by fighting back against the monster. i think ivan finally really starts to understand the extent of how much till loves mizi when he saw that till had no fighting spirit left in him to fight back when he choked him. to me, it wordlessly told ivan that he fell in love with the rebellious fire of a boy that was ignited by someone else. that till's hope was mizi, and that the fire would extinguish alongside her disappearance. that fight in till was never for ivan to fall in love with, it was for and because of the hope he gets from mizi.
you can really hear it in their voices, till’s voice is trembling and full of raw emotion and desperation, but ivan’s is steady, calm, determined. like he knows what he has to do. IM CRYING
3:13 I don't know why no one talks about this moment where Till stops fighting and actually sees Ivan now before being strangled. like a look that he is just beginning to understand. Because Till saw Ivan as someone who bothered him for no reason and not the perspective from Ivan where he takes care of him and he can finally see that part (ps: at least I haven't seen anyone comment on it)
3:34 I can’t help but feel that Ivan is not just making sure that they keep shooting him, but his expression is just desperation to have Till look at him one last time.
honestly, I bet a lot of thoughts were running through his head there in just that one frame. ivan fell in love with till for his rebellious spirit, and now he’s watching him just give up without a fight. and that’s after he DID fight when ivan was kissing him. till would literally rather die than kiss him back. god this whole mv is heartbreaking
something i noticed in the full song "cure" is that the last verse of "yes, me" the 'me' is delayed by a beat or so almost as if Ivan is hoping that Till would respond to him, and whenever they were singing together in their duet, Ivan is singing in a slightly lower octave almost as if he's trying to let Till have to spotlight, despite the fact that in all of the other rounds they have sung in the same octave 😭
0:38 Till is forced to sing "My Clematis," reading from the lyrics on the screen. I think he didn’t sing well because he was distracted by Mizi, and the part he sang was Sua's (My Clematis Ivan & Till ver). Ivan sang Mizi's part, but the aliens got angry because that wasn't what they wanted, so they showed a picture of the missing Mizi to clarify that they wanted Mizi's part sung as well. 1:01-1:08 An alien tries to restrain Till and mistreats him, evident in the subsequent scene where Till's clothes are wrinkled, and his body appears weak. 1:13 & 1:30 Till hallucinates seeing Mizi due to the effects of the drugs, but in reality, it's Ivan in front of him. That's why Ivan came back to save him. Ivan couldn’t save Till immediately because Ivan’s owner is a wealthy and influential person (he mentioned himself that he has to behave well because his owner is quite famous). That bar is where aliens showcase their pet-humans, and Ivan has all the access because of his owner and his popularity as a model. 1:23 & 1:25 Till is discounted at 50% at a store, and Ivan is tortured by his previous owner. It seems they both came from the same seller who liked to abuse pet-humans. Possibly, the alien in the "Black Sorrow" MV who wanted to throw Ivan off the building, but Ivan got lucky as he ended up at an auction and got a rich owner. 1:44 This might seem a bit odd, but Ivan should already be standing in front of the mic to ensure his voice is clearer to the audience since he wasn’t holding a hand mic or a mic close to his mouth. So, from this moment, he had already planned to reduce his points for Till's victory. In the early scene, Till was already standing in front of the mic. 2:11 - 2:14 Ivan looks at Till writing a song (perhaps for Mizi), which is why Ivan glances at Till afterward, imagining that the song was written for him. 2:15 - 2:19 The Raptor from "Black Sorrow," Ivan feels jealous about the song lyrics Till wrote, so he sets him up with Mizi to see his reaction. Ivan likes to act like a superhero, taking Till’s things and then returning them like a savior. However, this plan failed because Till firmly resisted since Mizi was with him, causing Ivan to watch from a distance. 2:20 - 2:21 After saving Mizi, Till gets injured and is treated while Ivan faithfully waits, pondering if he should hurt him more to get his attention. 2:28 - 2:35 Ivan’s bullying continues, causing Till to suffer the same wounds. Ivan licks Till’s blood, as if to say only he can heal him. Ivan also doesn’t wear a shock collar (since childhood, as seen more clearly here), indicating he can do more than he could as a child. 2:37 - 2:40 Ivan could remove the shock collar since childhood (perhaps his owner showed him how or he’s just smart, many students call Ivan a genius). Ivan doesn’t remove it in this scene because he knows Till wouldn’t go anywhere without Mizi. He just wants to reach Till, emphasizing that only he can free him, as he did in the bar. 2:54 - 2:56 Ivan glances at Till, who has stopped singing. 3:00 Ivan ensures that Till has given up. 3:23 Everyone knows the meaning of this kiss. 3:48 Till is confused by Ivan’s smiling face and not really choking him; he’s still processing everything that’s happened. 3:57 The audience has left, the lights are off, no guards are approaching-they probably don’t care, but Till clearly starts to realize something. He notices Ivan’s presence and keeps staring at his lifeless body. This is contrary to Till’s indifferent nature, who only cares about Mizi. Here, Till begins to realize that someone has been paying attention to him just as Mizi did for Sua. Many say that because Ivan’s owner is rich, he wouldn’t let him die, but like in "Black Sorrow," Ivan is just a trophy. Once he loses, his owner will leave and look for another pet, as wealthy people do. EDIITT : I take back my words about Ivan's owner being a bad alien. I think he is the best among the top 3. (I previously thought Luca's owner was the best because of his cute face, but it turns out he is the slyest and heartless one). Ivan's owner said he was a bit disappointed that Ivan lost in round 6 and was curious about what changed this ambitious boy to lose (Poor Ivan, even his owner didn't know he fell in love to death) 😭. Then, when asked about any regrets, he said that what Ivan gave him was already quite a lot, so even though he lost, he considered it all worth it. (It seems like he wanted to thank Ivan 🥹). When asked if he would return next season, he said he wouldn't and wanted to focus on investing in other businesses. I think he is the type of father who says you can't keep a cat, but in the end, falls in love with the cat, and when the cat dies, he is heartbroken and full of sadness but can't express it. Ivan's owner is the best 🥹, perfectly matching Ivan's character, where from the outside, they appear to be a mysterious bad person, but inside, they are warm-hearted.
It seems to me this song shows the unreciprocated love of each other. Till is singing it for Mizi, he truly believes his reason to live is dead; (1:11) “On your icy lips,” alongside with the image of her in a white robe as a kid shows that she is a corpse-cold, which makes her have icy lips. He also mentions “Let me drown in you” (0:54) emphasizing “let me” because he can’t, she’s no longer there. Till on the other hand says “I’ll drown in you” (2:22) which shows he can drown, and he WILL drown, because Till is there, and he loves him. Other comments have said that Ivan is dressed as a Broom while Ivan is dressed like he’s going to a funeral because it SHOWS their dynamic, Ivan loves him, while Till is MOURNING for Mizi. The only reason why he is even singing is FOR Mizi, to relief himself. While Ivan is doing it to LOVE Till. I feel like Ivan’s sacrifice wasn’t planned, he SAW that Till had no will to continue singing, he had this twisted idea that Till was singing Ivan’s song as a duet (because he probably wrote it since he’s a fan favorite and has privileges) but Till stopped singing after “To this everlasting melody” (2:51) and didn’t sing “With our story” (2:59) “Lost in forever’s embrace” (3:04) because it isn’t their story, it’s not reciprocated. Which also explains why Ivan sung “Face to face WE dance” (2:54) because he truly believes this is a duet. ALSO (edit) it is come to my attention that the original song IS a duet (it’s on Vivinos page) and the part where Till stopped singing was THE START of the duet, which actually confirms that it is symbolism for unreciprocated love. Even after the kiss, they’re dynamic is furtherly emphasized in 3:33 because Ivan wants Till to LOOK at him one last time, as he is desperate and his eyes shaking show it, but Till is only mourning and accepting his fate by having his eyes close, finally believing that his pain will be relieved. That he will get his cure. However the one getting his cure instead is Ivan. It’s called Cure because by Ivan dying, his pain of not having his love returned is cured. It isn’t a sorrow anymore, it’s cured by his own death.
CAN SOMEONE MAKE THIS TOP COMMENT?? the "let me" vs. "I will" was JUST at the tip of my tongue!! I knew they symbolized the difference in perspective. "wearing black to symbolize Till mourning for Mizi" THEGASP I GUSPED "Till not singing the 'with our story' line" WHOA BECAUSE IN TILL'S EYES ITS NOT ABOUT HIM AND IVAN. HE'S SINGING FOR MIZI. Ivan singing "face to face WE dance" because he recognizes hes singing with and FOR Till. Oh god. "Till thinking he'll be cured from his pain by dying when it's Ivan who dies in the end instead, freed from his unrequited longing" WHAT. YOU'RE SO SICK. YOURE SICK AND TWISTED AND I SEE THIS. BRIGHT AND CLEAR. I want to add on that Ivan probably tried to "cure" Till as well. Ivan tried to get Till to respond but Till remains silent and compliant. Till couldn't see Ivan trying to bring his flame, his fighting spirit back to life (because he was closing his eyes.. lmao) Theyre so undeniably doomed, thank you for this analysis. I enjoyed it MUCH and LOTS and I will read it fifteen hundred times over thank you mwah
@@villager96 can't confirm it as it's not mentioned there that if it's his adoption date or birth date. Still can be consider as bday. *Edit* : it's confirmed it's his birthday the lastest community poll post about character profile says "birthday: 0214".
@@RB_kun40567 why would you edit your comment though? Didn’t you say something like 'we can still consider it to be his birthday'? And no, when they were tweeting about the birthdays of the characters, everyone had birthday besides the date except him, who had *adoption* day instead. They never said what his birthday was, probably because it’s supposed to be unknown.
Ivan saying “cheer up” (a direct reference to the recent comic with the flower that has younger Till and Ivan) to Till in his interview knowing full well what he was planning to do is so vile for us.
Also, very obsessed with the choice to switch Till’s outfit from white -> black and Ivan’s outfit from black -> white considering how their roles and actions got swapped. Till became grief stricken over Mizi and didn’t really fight against the aliens the way he usually did. Then you have Ivan, who was usually consistent in his performances and very obedient in regards to following rules, making the active choice to become “unpredictable” in the way Till usually was.
@@cina2218 They're on the official twitter or the community tab! Usually kind people will try to translate them in comments and replies, but I usually look into certain wording on some parts myself.
i love the glimpse of ivan’s eyes at 3:07 right before they kiss showing that’s he’s also surprised by what’s he’s doing but he can’t back down anymore cause he loves till too much and this kiss was him wanting till to see him, also showing that he wasn’t planning on doing this but since till stopped singing when they were supposed to duet he realized he had to do something to save till, if till dies then ivan would have no reason to live so he rather sacrifice himself
4:22 ISNT SPOKEN ENOUGH‼️ what if the two guys that work with Hyuna were shocked bc BOTH Ivan and Till were supposed to be saved by Hyuna and Mizi😭thats why they look so concerned too afterwards when no one was answering the walkie-talkie 4:37 the alert says "Intruder Alert" so both Hyuna and Mizi got caught and attacked hence they couldnt reach for Ivan and Till in time to save them😭AHHHHH IVANNN AND TILLLL💔 Ivan is alive and Till is okay (Im delulu. We all are☺🥰) Cant wait for the next update though, this is where everything goes down🥲
Was just thinking this. I bet they absolutely were supposed to get them out but Hyuna and Mizi clearly git caught and had to hide so they weren't able to make it in time.
2:44 이때 이반은 이미 무대서기 전에 모든걸 어떻게 할지 정해두고 마지막으로 인사하는 느낌이라 무대에서 보여주는 식으로 한 키스와 뽀뽀보다 더 마음이 아프고 아련하다... 진짜 사랑한다고 너랑 단둘이 도망치고 싶었다고 제발 날좀 봐달라고 부비는 그게 너무 가슴이 갈기갈기 찢어짐..
If you came here from Round 7 to see Till alive, just think that Ivan and Till are up there together, finally free from living in a hellhound :) (This is my delulu state talking)
@@leroyjenkins1249I mean granted with the situation they’re in I don’t think their morality can compare to us on that lvl. They were raised by aliens that saw them as literal pets. Tho I get what you mean.
Everyone's talking about Ivan but i really wanna know exactly what Till's been feeling ever since Mizi's disappearance. Does he believe she's dead, gone and never to be seen again? Does he believe she's alive but feel betrayed because she ran away without even a glance his way, even though she was the sole reason he didn’t escape all those years ago? What did he think of Ivan at the end? Did he finally realize how he was his sole ally when everything else seemed to be either blind or hostile towards him? Did he realize Ivan was going through the exact same thing he did with Mizi? That he gave away his freedom just for him, only to never even be perceived by the apple of his eye? I noticed that Till is the one who sings about the falling stars during their past escape attempt, despite the fact it's a memory always shown from Ivan's perspective. Was it a more important moment for Till than we realized? Who was he thinking of in that moment? Mizi or Ivan? If we don't get a clearer grasp on Till's emotions and story in the next round (?) istg im gonna lose my mind 😭
"gave away his freedom" PUNCHED ME IN THE GUT???? TILL RAN BACK TO ANAKT GARDEN, IVAN RAN AFTER HIM. THEY BOTH GAVE AWAY THEIR FREEDOM ONLY TO NEVER BE PERCEIVED BY THE PERSON THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING THEIR WHOLE LIVES FOR IVAN FORFEITED LIFE FOR THE FINAL TIME WHEN HE LET HIMSELF BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST SO TILL WOULD WIN. HE ACTED OUTRAGEOUSLY ON PURPOSE JUST SO HE'D BE DISCIPLINED, ENSURING TILL'S WIN jesus I'm so invested in this series its driving me insane im so sorry for the rambling
RIGHT RIGHT!! What was his overall thoughts? How is his feeling facing Ivan's dead? What would be shown in the next round? Will Luka use the same trick as he did with Mizi? If yes, who will be Till see? Will he go crazy and tried to kill Luka or perhaps he will try to kill himself? These thoughts has been haunting me!
@@Arkleioit’s from a comic in Ivan’s perspective. You can find it on the official alien twt account or on this channel’s community tab. It was posted about 2-3 months ago the title is “confession” with the first photo being the back of Sua. Hope that helps! (Also sorry if I sent this twice, RUclips was acting up for me)
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The fact that he looked at the score machine to make sure Till's points would be more than his and then kissed him one last time MAKES IT EVEN MORE HEARTBREAKING LIKE WHY DONT YOU JUST STAB ME IN THE HEART INSTEAD OF KILLING ME LIKE THIS 😭
And the relief on his face when he knew till would win-
AKUTAGAWA PFP SPOTTED
STOPP
I hate this
so i've been rewatching the rounds and i realized something. in round 5 when mizi starts beating the shit out of luka, the guards come and pull her off of him, wrangle her away, and only after all that just START to point a gun at her head. but because of all that, the resistance had time to come in and save her.
so when ivan started doing the same thing, they began shooting him down immediately. because if they didn't, it would give the resistance time to come in and save him, and they don't want that to happen again.
that's why none of the guards approached. they would rather kill him quickly than give opportunity for saving 😭
I just noticed this too. A really neat but really sad detail...
no😭😭 i already cried but this... just hurts man
it can also be that luka is more well liked than till, and they were ok with till getting roughed up
Thank you I am now going to cry myself to sleep /j
I don't think so, in round 1 they kill Sua Instantly. Maybe last time was just a lucky big mistake
Ivan sacrificed everything, even himself, for Till.
The fact that Ivan is dressed in white (like Sua) like he's a corpse while Till is dressed in black (like Mizi) like he's going to a funeral is heartbreaking.
and black hair... Sua and Ivan have black hair lmao
(im crying of their death)
i just realized that in the first round it's also the same, the one who wear white dies, and the one who wear black live but with grieve and regrets probably
How does it feel to be an Orv fan and ALNST fan at the same time?
@@lyingndyinges horrible , ser fan del ivantill, satosugu, joongdok (ayudaa)
@@lyingndying The world is cruel
I love how the kissing was the most replayed part 😭😭
How do you know? 😅
u can actually try it with the slider to go back to scenes and when u go over that scene at 2:59 onwards it'll say "most replayed" 😆@@3rd-Kin
@ Oh I didn’t know that. Thanks!!! 🤍
OFCOURSE IT IS.
Ew.
There's something truly sad about how Till tries to push Ivan away when he kisses him, but just goes limp when Ivan starts choking him. For a character that's always seen fighting back, when his best friend seemingly tried to kill him, he just accepted it. I think Till went into this competition with the expectation that he would lose, maybe even hoping he would lose since now the only thing that made life worth it to him (Mizi) was gone. Then, his realization of what Ivan did, the fact that Ivan must've felt for him what he felt towards Mizi - that Till dying would've made life pointless for Ivan...
El sol no necesita de la luna para brillar. Sua e Ivan no podrian reponerse de la perdida de sus amigos
STOPPP IM GONNA BITE U 😭😭
Im wondering if luca will try to provoke till the same way he provoked mizi, since he sees this as a way to secure victory. And i wanna see how till would react to that
@@totoro413 Fr, since Till is not in a good mental state the way Mizi was when the competition. I can only hope Hyuna will save Till too.
@@totoro413i don't (fully) think Luka would do that, especially since he seems to be kinda tired of winning. There could even be a chance of him working with the rebellion because of how he acted when he noticed Hyuna helping Mizi on Round 5
Something that i realised is how Till says "Let me drown in you" (0:51) to Mizi because he loves and adore Mizi, but she isn't interested in him which makes him crave that love from her even more. He wants to drown in her love but he cant because her love wasnt meant for him, it was meant for Sua. Ivan on the other hand says "I'll drown in you" (2:20) indicating that he can and WILL drown in his love for Till. "Drowning" in this case implies that he'll lose himself the deeper he goes. So this means he'll willingly love Till, even if it means he will lose himself in the process.
OH YOU ARE VILE FOR POINTING THIS OUT. IM NEVER GONNA KNOW PEACEFUL REST EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS. (/pos thank u for giving me another thing to think about at night)
Fun fact! (It's not a fun fact I'm on the brink of tears) The Korean word used in "drown" when translated literally can also mean to dye, to color, to infect, or to *taint.* Till's literally singing "Let me be tainted by you," and Ivan's literally singing "Let me taint you,"
PELASE STOP IM ALREADY HEART BROKEN AFTER READING OTHER COMMENTS WHY MUST THIS ONE MAKE EM CRY AGAIN
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SHUT THE HELL UPP
Notice how Till's neck doesn't even have marks of choking? That means Ivan was just holding his hands on his neck, not even trying to hurt him... God, I'm crying...
와....😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
So does that mean that Ivan was faking the whole choking part so he would be disqualified?
@@rat_5219 yes 😭
Yeah@@rat_5219
OMGGG TYSM NOW THE TEARS JUST WONT STOPP 😭😭😭😭
So we're all just casually rewatching the previous rounds after the final's release, huh?
Yep 😔
only this one
Yeah 😔
yup
yeah😢
I think what sickens me the most about this is that Ivan didn't even look happy when he was kissing Till, and he died smiling because Till finally acknowledged him
a kiss full of sorrow almost.
@@SalomSands black sorrow 😭
IM FKCING CRYING WAIT
I thought he smiled because he knew for sure he was gonna die at that point and till would be saved, he looked panicked a moment before when he saw till was unresponsive
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I think one of the saddest things about this is how when we see Till’s pov Ivan is never in it, but when we see Ivan’s pov Till is EVERYWHERE. Every other person or face is not important like Till is to Ivan, meanwhilr Till doesn’t even SEE Ivan. And he knew, he knew his love wasn’t reciprocated, it’s so clear in his lyrics too 😭😭 I feel like Ivan knew he was going to die the second he turned back to go with Til…. ((I JUST REALIZED THE FIRSY TIME HE ‘SEES’ IVAN IS AFTER HIS NECK IS LET GO AND IVAN LOOKS SO HAPPY RAHHH IM NOT OK))
THIS. UNTIL THE END TILL ONLY SEES MIZI. I'm devastated
@@chuuwuyal2272we are so not ok lets all hold hands in alien stage heaven
WAHHHHH
he finally saw him but it's too late rip
@@pulped69dago91STOP DONT SAY THIS MY HEART😭😭😭
The tragic thing for me was seeing how far Ivan has gone to keep Till safe. He literally disguised himself as a security guard to get Till out of that bar. I can only imagine the other things he’s done. I believe that’s the whole reason why he became the fan favorite. He knew being loved by the aliens would give him more freedom to protect and keep Till alive. As the favorite, he had to go through horrifying things but it was all worth it if it meant Till was still there. Truly, Ivan is the best character for me.
THIS
YEAH! Ivan already done so many for Till, just showing how much he loves him 😭 It's break my heart that Till finally look at him in the last moment of his life :')))
Till is the Mizi to his Till
FR I LOVE HIM SM
disguised at the bar? i think it was an afterparty and ivan was just there with his own guardian like till was.
아 진짜 어케해야할지 모르겠다 이제 ㅋㅋ
이제는 진짜로 일상생활에 문제가 생길정도임.. 몇개월전 6라보고 절망에 빠져있다가 7라보고 이젠그냥 현실부정 하고있는 나를 발견함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
공부든 운동이든 수업이든 뭘 하고있다가도 개뜬금없이 '틸이 왜 죽지?' 라는 생각이 머릿속에 자꾸 떠오름
그러고는 갑자기 또 절망에 빠지면서 3라 보고 이반 그리워하고.. ㅋㅋ
진짜 이것만 계속 반복하다가 정신병 올것같음 ㅠ 이게 다 몰카였으면 어땠을까.. 이반이랑 틸이 사실 죽지 않은거였다면 얼마나 좋았을까 ㅜ
솔직히 이반이 너무 안타깝다ㅜ 사랑했지만 받지못하고 죽고.. 자신의 시선은 항상 틸에게 가있었지만 틸의 시선은 항상 미지에게 꽂혀있었다는게..
한마디로 걍 존나 개슬픔.
아 진짜 저랑 똑같아요… 하루에도 수백번씩 이반 틸 생각에 줫같아짐ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
하... 진짜 우울증올것같음... ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ ㅠㅠ 환장
지금 후유증이 장난 아니에요ㅠㅠ이반 ㅠ
Same. So real. It's like I've actually seen someone die and I keep replaying it until my brain accepts it.
저돕니다👍
i noticed that during till’s last line before the kiss, he’s actually not singing (2:58), meaning he was purposefully trying to lose, and when ivan noticed this he made sure till would win by acting “aggressively” on stage 🥲
You know, if you compared Ivan's performance in black swan to here, Ivan sang less emotionally here. What I theorised was that the more emotions you put in your singing, the higher points you will get. Cause if you were to hear closely when till was singing, when he thought of sua his voice got raspier. Ivan's voice was similarly like that in black Swan when he started thinking of till. Ivan wanted to throw the entire performance all along by singing more monotonously. Then at the end, till gave up, like what you pointed out. Ivan doubled down and did the choking act, but probably kissed him first because fuck it all right?
I am crying my ass out 😭
@@onigiri8125 Black swan??? Sua??? Bro what au of alnst are you watching
@@onigiri8125 the kiss also probably seemed like Ivan suffocating Till if they didn't know human gestures 🥲
@@onigiri8125realest thing ever
Everyones saying that Till is singing like he's given up but like can we talk about how Ivan sings?
He's confident and determined because he knows what he has to do😭
And the fact he was winning too.. Gosh
@@akinmedarda😭😭
NO CAUSE IT MADE ME FEEL SO LIKE STRESS OUT LIKE WHEN I HEARD TILL SING THE FIRST TIME
Like this was a major jump from his original song, disobeying in like every conceivable manner like he sang the whole part without letting the other guy sing, he killed the guitar alien all with a smirk and passion on his face. He sang with more passion and intensity in his voice and the majority was in English (I don’t think that’s really apart of it I just find it neat). However now he’s quite the opposite. He is singing like how Alien stage is intended to be sung, the genre and tone of the song is completely different than the previous song. While his voice is still really good it lacks the same spark the original song has since it was a huge shift. I know a lot of people point out how Till dresses like if he was going to a funeral and Ivan to wedding.
But I also want to point out how different their wardrobes are from the original songs.
In Round 2 till was wearing a white loose t-shirt with [not too] loose pants. He also had no shoes which again I feel was meant to show his rebellious nature. Again his current appearance is the opposite a tucked in? (Could be wrong) black shirt that is now missing any design that the last one had. As well as the tight black pants, it’s more form-fitting like he has decided to con”form” with alien stage ever since mizi disappeared. While it’s obvious that he lost his spark and is going through grief and depression because of it the I like how the a simple black outfit can reflect that.
Now on to Ivan’s outfit. The most clear difference between his previous and current outfit is the color, from black to white. However there is more about his outfit is that it was constricted I am unsure on what exactly it is (belt?) however now In round 6 those restrictions are no longer seen on him. His current outfit is (recycling the same thing i said about till) except Ivan’s outfit is less form fitting, looser reflecting that he no has anything else to hide because he already knows he will die (he definitely had this planned out) it’s much asymmetrical and has more flow in comparison to his previous outfit.
I absolutely adore how Vivinos designs the characters and their outfits to reflect the state they’re in.
The pain to realize that ivan sacrifice himself for till so he can live happily bro i cant stop sobbing 😭🙏🏽
What’s so heartbreaking about Ivan strangling Till to save him, is the symbol of Ivan taking off Till’s collar that has shown up so many times throughout the series. In their backstory, we see Ivan taking off Till’s restraints on multiple occasions, especially the collar over his mouth. He does it back in Ankat Garden when they make their escape attempt, and he’s shown doing it in the flashback in this episode as well. While the aliens want to stifle Till’s chaotic and rebellious nature, Ivan loves that part about Till, and he wants to free him from his bindings, no matter how loud and violent he can sometimes be. But, when Mitzi disappeared, Till lost his rebellious spirit. As he sings during this round he looks defeated, hopeless, with no fight left to give. Ivan can’t stand for that. He has to help Till get his spirit back, no matter the cost. By Ivan’s final act being strangling Till, what he’s really doing is taking of his collar. He reaches for Till’s neck, for the hundredth time, for the last time, intent, as always, to free Till from the aliens. And when his hands fall away, Till is free -free from the fate that awaited him, and maybe, just maybe, with Ivan’s death, Till can regain his rebellious spirit again.
Stop, you’re gonna make me cry
stop.
I hadn't thought of the parallel between choking and he being constantly the one to remove Till's collar and muzzle.
Thank you for the renewed pain, I'll got to sleep crying again
I LOVE THIS OBSERVATION SM ARGGG
But why did Ivan have to die? I hope Till loved Ivan a little bit. I think Ivan was loved by the aliens and that's why he could be saved. If that happens, I hope they will be together.
Tell me you’re depressed without telling me you’re depressed by choosing to visit here again after Round 7
I'll never recover
literally will never mentally recover from
till has to be alive he can't just die he can't he's not allowed to because i said so i love himtill please dont die pelasds oesh jsdf gsghds
i come back here everytime i need to cry LMAOO
I’m weeping oceans and seas
As the saying goes “to be loved is to be seen” IVAN was never seen by Till in his memory flashbacks☹️ but Till was everywhere in IVAN’s memories 😭
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME THINK ABOUT THIS STOP
STOP Now I'm crying again 😭😭😭
ongoing traffic here i come 😹😹😹
WHY R U DOING THIS
Ivan is the only character not seen in aneyone memory . While every character had someone they considered thear god and their beloved , Ivan is the only unloved mf . Btw does aneyone know how to tie an rope?
Vivinos really said "Your favorite ship gets to kiss, but its the most unsatisfying and uncomfortable one-sided kiss ever and it only happens because one of them wants go out with no regrets."
😭
Fr. The way the my mouth DROPPED
She’s out to get us for real, lmao. Killing everyone for fun and ruining the silver linings 😩
SOBBING RIGHT NOW😭😭😭
@JohnThefarmer-ig8um Listening to a bot won’t bring Ivan back 😭
Ivan basically said: “you can live without me, but I can’t live without you” 😭
nooo now your making me cry again 😭
Stoooop 😭😭😭
😭💔
whyy 😭😭😭
Aaah crying 😭
진짜 결말이 너무 허무해서 이반만 자꾸 보러옴…. 한 사람의 사랑과 순수한 사랑을 추구한 이반…. 진짜 눈물 난다 이반입장도 이해되고 틸 입장도 이해 되서 너무 마음 아픔
ㅠㅠㅠ진짜요 아 눈물나…
Love how the first couple of kisses Ivan gives to till are aggressive and the last one is a sweet little kiss.
I think it’s to make the guards think that he’s being super aggressive to be sacrificed and the last little kiss is like a confession and goodbye at the same time🤷♂️
@@Meowzers_3DAAAAAMN.
@@Meowzers_3ain’t no way stop making me cry rn
SHUT UP UR MAKING ME CRYY
@@Meowzers_3 STOOOP I DON'T WANNA CRY BRO
I love how much Alien Stage reflects a lot of cheesy TV tropes like the love... circle? Triangle? Where everyone likes everyone but never back thing. But instead of playing it for a joke or something silly, it's written in a way that breaks your heart into a million pieces because the contestants' love is the one thing they got to choose for themselves.
OOF that last bit hit me HARD
I literally hate you (this was great thank you for commenting this)
the last part hit hard, and you are right, ALL of it is not their choice, their clothing, how they are shown to their fans, their music (only Till got to sing a song he created alone)
More like a love line LOL, Mizisua was mutual but sua is dead, till loves mitzi unrequited, ivan loves till unrequited, and nobody loves Ivan....
@@pigeontoes5421YEAH. Pretty much - Don't forget the additional Luka-Hyuna one-sided pining.
(noone loves ivan? the fanbase begs to differ/j)
The fact that Ivan only smiles at the end once he knows Till is safe 😭 He doesn’t smile while kissing the person he loves but only after he’s sure Till would live 🥹 I am not okay
Can I tell you about my Oc for Alien Stage? This idea, kinda has been done before. Especially with the original Macross Anime. But hear me out though . What if the male character I'm making who loves Ivan back , is half Alien and half human . But he was exiled from society . I know this is a mess but it's a draft idea so far . We haven't seen half human, half alien characters in Alien Stage. And I think it would be interesting. I haven't decided how Ivan and my Oc will meet yet. But I want Ivan to have a guy who loves him too. I think Ivan will teach my Oc what it means to be human . I was a bit inspired by the original Macross Anime and it's movie Do You Remember Love? And Gunslinger Girl / Violet Evergarden for making my Oc. I named him Noah . What do you think? 👀
Also I'm very much coping right now so forgive me of my crazy ideas. I really hope Ivan is alive.
이 해석도 진짜 좋다… 마지막에 웃는게 사랑하는 사람이 살아있을거라고 확신을 가질 수 있어서였구나 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
No lo ví de esa forma, ahora procederé a llorar más 🥲
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To the guy/girl who responded "couple goals" when someone said when you realize Till and Ivan died on the same day, COUNT YOUR DAYS
Ivan is the true Gigachad of the story, he got what he wanted (made Till aware of his feelings) and sacrificed himself in order to protect who he loved, his black sorrow.
feeling kinda a little too dead inside atm after watching but ngl this comment made me actually chuckle & feel a bit better especially the "his black sorrow" at the end lol like ah so true, you shall be forever slay icon Ivan, our King (doomed) Yaoi the third 🤧😭🖤
@@mizisuamyuniverse 😂 king of doomed bl
YUPPP HES THE GOAT
For real😢😢😢
he's my favorite character in this
You know shit is going to be fucked up when the simple art style is suddenly more detailed
Seriously
emo till 😣
fr
Tbh i think its qmeng doing the job
Qmeng cooked, she graduated from the sciences of yaoitology together with Vivinos yuritology
When you realise the shine in Ivan's eyes was gone when he was choking and kissing Till, but it came back when he saw Till's score go up and at the end when he knew that Till was gonna live and go to the next round
I’m gonna cry
Sobbing
Stoppp 😭😭😭😭
All that for Till to not live _past_ the next round-
All that for Till to not live _past_ the next round-
SPOILER! I know Vivinos said that she doesn't want the side characters to overshadow Mizi but honestly speaking, I feel like Till's death was such a waist of not only his potential as a character but Ivan's sacrifice as well. I'm lowkey in denial because of that
Omg I agree with this because if Ivan wouldn’t have sacrificed himself Till would’ve lost but in the next round Ivan would have been most likely to win
@@daniela_loves_narutoWell not really because luka was literally MADE for ALNST, his overall ranking skills surpass ivan’s and the other contestants of ALNST, the only person with better stats than him is Hyuna, who is a rebel and not a part of ALNST anymore.
Regarding the original comment, i think yes, there was a lot that could have been more centered on till as the round was supposed to be till centered but i cannot complain although i would have liked to see more about till’s own potential and persona, im happy with how everything came out to be. I think at the end it all goes to Mizi’s character development as shes the MC
I feel like, if Till died at round 6, Ivan would’ve killed himself right after.
@@3rd-Kinor sabotaged himself into losing to luka
Idk if this detail was intentional, but Ivan looks like a groom getting married, and Till looks like he's going to a funeral. Maybe the same could be extended to Mizi and Sua.
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
THE HELL I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AT FIRST
OH MY GOD
ITS MIZISUA ALL OVER AGAIJ
HOLY?? GOOD OBSERVATION THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT ONE OUT
rip ivan, you would have loved tills outfit in r7
LMAOO REALL
ABSOLUTELY REAL
REALLL LMAOO
NO BC HOW DID WE GO FROM THIS TO R7 LUCAS ROUNDS ARE ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL
Vivi knew he would get too 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
Whoever mentioned that the light returned in Ivan’s eyes after he knew for sure that he succeeded COUNT YOUR DAYS
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING ABT THIS I HATE YOU SM IM IN YOUR WALLS😡😭💔💔😭
I just checked after reading your comment. APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW 😭😭😭
I BATE YOU SO MCUH
NO I LITERALLY JUST STOPPED CRYING WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS
I REWATCHED IT AND YOU'RE RIGHT I HATE YOU SO MUCH😭😭
1:12 Till reaches for Mizi's hand just like in round 7😭😭
HOW DARE U REMIND ME OF ROUND 7
just that in round 7 it wasn't an illusion 😭❤️ mizi was actually there for him
STOP IT THIS INSTANT
NOO STOPP😭😭😭
STOP
His collar didn't explode, he just got shot so there's still chance he can be saved since he is also valuable to those alien. IVAN IS ALIVE (copium💀)
Edit: Everyone in replies is TOTALLY SANE (me included) 😊😊😊
Exactly!! Hes not like certain angel we know like kaworu!!
I like the way you think (I'm delusional)
I'm living for this
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
I'M GONNA GASLIGHT MYSELF WITH THIS IDEA TYSM 😭
It's the "you wont realize how much they truly loved you til it's too late" trope that breaks me :( PLEASE LET HIM MIRACULOUSLY BE ALIVE BRUH I CANT TAKE IT
Notice how Ivan's body is shown we might still have hope. Sua's body wasn't shown in her and Mizi's round, so she's dead asf (let me cope i am coping im nkt entirely really sure if ivan will miraculously come out from his grave, BUT LET ME COPE)
Being delulu is sometimes not the solulu guys 😭
ONG I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE WHY SO SAD😭🙏
"you wont realized how they truly loved you,Till its too late."
It would be such a waste if a good character were killed off just like that. There's still a chance that he'll live; just trust 😭
I could write a whole essay about how beautiful and morbid “TILL WIN” being reflected in Ivan’s blood is.
theres a lyric in Black Sorrow about a pool of blood IM CRYING THE FORSHADOWING
@@anotherstranger1273 OMG I saw that too, this series is gonna be the death of me ;-;
MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS MORBID???
I want this on my desk first thing tomorrow morning
@anotherstranger1273 Also Everytime the lyrics "end of this story" appear it all shows Till in the scene and in both of those times that line appeared, the line that comes next fits well with Ivans "death"
0:15 is where he began singing btw, future me
Edit: btw, notice how when it was Till’s turn, it’s all flashbacks of himself and barely Ivan but when it’s Ivan’s turn, it’s just Till this, Till that?
real
Guys, can we take a moment to appreciate the foreshadowing? In black sorrow, Ivan sang "at the end of this story, there is only a cold spot stained with blood and such black, black sorrow." And we all know who black sorrow is meant to signify? TILL. i am not okag 😭
OML THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. there are a couple of parallels in black sorrow and cure.
(2:59 mentions the story bit)
(in black sorrow the lyrics "where eyes reach, where your fingertips brush" and 0:15 - 0:30 "allow me, to the tips of your fingers, allow me, to the ends of your feet, dissolve me in your gaze)
I dont think anyone here is okag lol TT
@@Aperson-jx4mv STOPPPP, I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE
stoop with thisss sobbing
So does that mean he was already planning on sacrificing himself even before black sorrow? 😭 PLS I JUST STOPPED CRYING A MOMENT AGO, I COULD FEEL IT COMING AGAIN
I didn't even notice that Til stopped singing until I listened to the official video from Studio LICO. In this video you can hear him sing in the audio but if you watch his lips he stopped. That's why Ivan acted when he did, otherwise Til would have lost then and there.
STOP THIS, I CANT TAKE ANYMORE! I’ve cried way too much bc of them already 😭
AAAHH WAIT YOURE RIGHT I DIDNT EVEN CATCH THAT…... oh im so sick of *course* he stepped in then
I had to rewatch to catch it!
Although in this case it's probably like that, in previous rounds it also seems to be that voice ≠ animation
@@escolastica2926 also because the song is cut short here. The Studio LICO version has another couple of verses that they didn’t get to cause Til stopped.
It’s the way that at the end, after the painfully one sided kiss and the “choking” (which even if till wasn’t actually being choked it’s still painful to have someone grab your neck like that) Ivan gives one last small, gentle kiss knowing it’s the last thing he’ll ever do right before he dies
Ive rewatched this too many times
@@Betonryn literally me too im so sad augh
I was waiting to see if anyone else saw it! Dude I swear PLEASE let Sua and Ivan be alive or else I swear on my life I will commit arson
@@PatientSqueaky I aspire for your level of delusionality 😭 I don’t think they making it outta this one all we can do is hope that Mizi doesn’t get caught and that round 7 doesn’t have a death
@@PatientSqueaky FOR REAL
2:30 반찬없이 밥만주냐...틸 울자나...
아니 ㅠㅜㅠㅜㅠㅜ
잠시만요.. 왜 이러세요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
OMG REAL
the fact that in the first round Mizi wore a black dress and Sua a white dress and in the sixth round Till wears a black outfit and Ivan wears a white outfit represents that, Ivan and Sua died in peace for the person they loved while Till and Mizi they will mourn their sacrifice...
STAWP😭😭😭 MY HEART CANT ANYMORE. WHY DID I HAVE TO SEE THIS 😭😭
ACTUALLY ABOUT TO BREAK DOWN IN TEARS. AGAIN.
Why am I still scrolling through these comments 😭
WHAT A GOOD FUCKING READDDDD WOW THATS WILD🤯🤯🤯🤯
IT'S ALWAYS THE FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE PAIRS 😭😭😭
Ok but nobody talking about Till’s vocals???????? He had already shown a more soft vocal in Clematis but THIS 😭 he sounds so tired and broken
Edit: Also the fact that Ivan sounds so composed in comparison to Black sorrow where he lowkey snapped at the end, He was so sure of what he was about to do, bro I cannot with this
Both voice actors were on a mission to DESTROY us
Hearing Till not singing violently and more to soft voice is just so..🥹 bit to add that Till look really dead in his eyes,he really had enough of this things(he even accept ivan choked him and not even fights back😭)
Especially at 2:48 I keep listening to it on loop it’s really a change from the past round
right!! i love akugetsu’s voice so much
@@irazzx._1312FR, ngl for a second there I really though that Ivan was going to make both of them die together
@@1987_wav THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO!💀
I just noticed this but-
During his first song Till sang a determined love song, while Ivan sang a sorrowful song. Now Ivan is singing a determined love song, while Till is singing a sorrowful song.
STOPPP 😭😭🙏
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭
GURLL WHYYY IM SOBBINNGGGG
BYEEE 😭😭
😭
when you realize they both died the same day
couple goals
IVAN SMILED AT THE END WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS DYING AND THAT MEANT TILL WOULD LIVE AND THAT ENOUGH MADE HIM HAPPY EVEN WHILE DYING I AM IN SHAMBLES
edit: guys my notifs please, i know what happens next i'm still in recovery ok....... 😭
WAIT OMG I JUST REALISED THAT HE'S HAPPY BECAUSE HE'S GONNA DIE INSTEAD OF TILL OMG IMMA CRY IN CORNER
STOP IT I'M ALREADY CRYING HARD ENOUGH
I'm literally shaking I'm not okay.
@@pigeonpiupiu I'm crying in my bathroom.
I think it's also because for once Till looked at Ivan in the eyes. It's sad though that in his last moments Ivan is finally in Tills eyeline, yet would never have the same impact as Mizi.
He wasn't choking him since there were no marks visibly left. Ivan was trying to save Till by doing that. I'm crying..
WHHUSBUHS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS FOR ME? PLS, IM A LITTLE BIT SLOW
@@TheLawlessRogue People are theorizing that Ivan's doing a special type of chokehold where he's holding Till's neck from the sides instead of the front so that makes it seem like he's choking Till without actually hurting him. And he did all that to guarantee Till's victory.
Si, estoy segura de que Ivan noto que Till iba a perder y lo asfixio para salvarlo, por eso las balas eran dociles, porque eran de advertencia para que parara 😭
@@TheLawlessRogue he was doing it so his score would go down and then Till would win
Till’s score was already higher than his though?
The hypocrisy of Ivan for mocking Sua for sacrificing her life for mizi, just for him to do the same
I knew he would do the same 😭 he said all that cuz he knew well that till only sees mizi, and if he dies, it won't affect till as much as sua did to mizi (is what ivan thinks at least ,in my opinion T*T) cuz mizi actually loves sua
Where did Ivan say about sua sacrificing herself?
Community post but it's in Korean tho@@pigeonpiupiu
@@pigeonpiupiu it's in the community post!
@@Wav_yyiwhich one if i may ask
이반 진짜 개조음…. 보고싶음 진짜
What I noticed, what I understood and how I interpreted this.
1.- In the first seconds of this round we hear the beatings of a heart while we watch different moments of Tills life and the experiments that he has endured, almost like he is watching his life pass in front of his eyes. He expects to die at the end of this round and when his actual face is revealed it shows how everything he has gone through is finally taking a toll on him (of course this happens after his reason to live is no where to be found, without Mizi he doesn’t see a reason to move forward).
2.- When he starts singing and the picture behind him shows we can notice the differences between his personality now and how it was back when mizi was “alive”, he is clearly boring the audience as they all look at him with an unimpressed gaze (also, he is competing against a fan favorite). And the phrase “ I don’t want to let you go” makes reference to mizi. Every single line he sings and almost every memory makes reference to her and to her death, Till genuinely thinks he is dead without her.
3.-Then we get the first and only memory of Ivan. From Till’s perspective we get that both of them got into a fight when they were kids and the gaze that Ivan used to look at Till is rather…. Sadistic Unbothered?. I think this is the perception that Till has of Ivan, he isn’t able to read him and therefore has always thought Ivan was annoying him for the fun of it. This scene shifts to a memory of Ivan, as he finds Till knocked out in the karaoke bar.
4.- It’s clear to see the parallel between both memories, the only thing that makes a difference is the way that Ivan looks at Till, his eyes are sparkling, as he is looking at his beloved.
5.- This parallel between scenes shows us that Till doesn’t actually know about Ivan’s feeling for him and that he has always interpreted them as hatred or dismissive, in the other hand, Ivan actually looks at Till lovingly in every memory of himself, he even has the permission to take of the collar of Till. (I don’t think every human can take off the collar of everyone else, but Ivan CAN. This makes me wonder if he is the one who usually saves till and takes care of him, to the point that the guardians have ALLOWED him to do so).
6.-Ivan lyrics also makes reference to Till in every moment. “Even if your cold words carve scars beneath my eyes…” this clearly makes reference to the way Till treats Ivan (which I assume is not pleasant, as Till is almost unaware of his existence). For example: In a community post we see Till complaining about Ivan wishing he would go away, he thinks that Ivan’s presence is making Mizi go away. Ivan just states that Mizi never plays with him, the one that does so is Ivan.
7.- Is almost as if Mizi takes the place of Ivan in every memory of Till, that’s the level of obsession Till has of Mizi.
8.- I wouldn’t be surprised if Ivan was constantly devastated from the things Tills says. This lack of acknowledgement forces Ivan to do drastic things like getting in a physical fight with Till and sadly this is the ONLY memory Till has of Ivan (paragraph 3) so this drastic measures actually work.
9.- The next scene reflects what actually Ivan wants to be noticed, the looks of affection he gives, the gentleness. Nonetheless, the only thing that gets a reacting from Till are the things Ivan doesn’t like (dramatic gestures). And I think Ivan doesn’t really like the grand gestures because of his judgment of Sua and her decision to die for Mizi. (The ultimate sacrifice just for the sake of being remembered).
10.- I want to make another point, in round 3 we can see a flash back of a red flower crown flying past Ivan and Till going after it. I think what happened is that Mizi made this flower crown for Sua, the flower crown flew away and till wanted to get it back for Mizi (who wanted it for Sua) Mizi and Till go into the home of an alien flower (also shown in the memories) and the flower eats this flower crown, making Till try and fight with the alien plant to get it back for Mizi, Till ends up getting hurt and Ivan just watches from the back. (This is what I can deduce with round 3 flashbacks). In this round we see another flashback of that same day (maybe) where Ivan is watching the plant form the back and one where he is touching its teeth, I think either Ivan calmed down the plant or he managed to get the flower crown from its mouth without getting hurt, whatever happened it culminated on Ivan getting Tills wound treated (Mizi probably fled the scene or trusted Ivan to take care of Tills, as they were close friends even if Tills doesn’t seem to recall that).
11.- Then Ivan is seen caressing Tills wounded face in a hospital and finally Tills running away from their attempted escape. This is even more devastating as we can now interpret their escape as Ivan’s way of saving Till for the millionth time, expecting to be saved at the same time, expecting Till to be grateful and running away with him because maybe, just maybe, Till will care enough about both of them to move forward and finally acknowledge the sacrifices Ivan constantly makes for him, but alas, Till runs away and decides their fate.
12.- We see a glimpse of real life Till being depressed as Ivan pours his heart out in the chorus. “In your gaze where I’m seen…” he doesn’t even look at Ivan in the memories nor in real life. Till cannot see the suffering in Ivan, and Ivan just sees the suffering of Till. Ivan was never seen, every glimpse of his memory he longs for the gaze of Till, but he never acquires it.
13.- “Face to face we dance…” Ivan keeps looking at Till, trying to make it about them. “With our story…” Till looks in front of him thinking about Mizi. He stops singing and Ivan directly starts his plan. Even when he KNOWS Ivan is heading towards him, Till is not bothered to look at him. 3:04. Until he has to.
14.- And for the first time the roles change, The one with sparking eyes is Till and Ivan just looks at him without anything. The first kiss they shared and Till is still unable to read Ivan. For him, this came out of nowhere 3:15. His surprise changes to alert when Ivan grabs him by the throat. Ivan isn’t even hurting him.
15.- Ivan is concerned for the lack of resistance that Till shows, Ivan has fell in love with the resilience and defiance of Tills personality and now it’s nowhere to be found. The numbers change and Ivan’s plan works, he starts being killed for the “aggression” he is committing. Even when he is dying, till is not looking at him. Finally he lets go, as he ensures his loved one will survive. And as he falls his last picture is Till finally looking at him. Ivan smiles as a last goodbye, the smile is enough to make Till understand everything he hadn’t noticed before.
There is no people, no Mizi, no aliens, no cameras and no microphones. It’s only Ivan, as the spotlight focuses on them, Till realizes he has lost the only thing that was constant, the reason he has actually managed to survive this long.
Meanwhile, Ivan is now the thing he despised, he has done this last grand gesture to make Till look at him (paragraph 9). He has died in what he longed all along. Maybe it was never meant to be.
Edit: OMG GUYS YOU ARE SO NICE.
YOU CAN COOK ✍️💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
You explained everything so well, thank youu 😭
niceee
😭
You explained it so perfectly, no words. 🙏❤️
That small and tender kiss at 3:23 is such a painful yet beautiful detail. It feels like a last declaration of pure love, a goodbye and confession at the same time. I teared up at that moment.
I notice too! 😭
if i've counted properly , it looks like ivan gave till 3 kisses ?
@@dotbread5 times actually-
3:07
3:11
3:14
3:19 (I'm assuming that this is a kiss-)
3:23
@@zuki_gnj AAA THANK YOU !! i see what you mean , thank you random protagonist !
@@dotbread I've watched this scene too much, I guess that's why I noticed immediately😭. Anyway you're welcome fellow Ivantill shipper! (I'm assuming you're one🙏)
2:04 The flowers Ivan stepped on were actually the flower headband Mizi gave to sua and somehow Sua lost it in winds, We saw Till chasing the same Headband in round 3 when Ivan first saw Till. And here in this scene Till got angry on Ivan just bcuz Ivan ruined the headband related to Mizi.
The thing is it is confirmed that those flowers are little aliens/cameras used to spy on anakt children, so Ivan stepping on them and destroying them whenever he’s close to Till maybe explains why Aliens never knew that Ivan loved Till.
@@mariaa.e.r.2560that’s actually so smart wth
@@mariaa.e.r.2560 wooaah that makes sense, and Till was dumb enough to get angry on Ivan for that ofc. I feel bad for the both of them
@@mariaa.e.r.2560아 미친
@@Mythwalker_1408 It’s not that Till is dumb, Ivan’s just never told Till the truth about the the flower crown. All Till knows is that the flower crown was Mizi’s and Ivan stepped on it, ruining it. So while Ivan technically did the right thing by killing the flowers, I feel like he mostly did it just so he could see Till be mad
やっぱりここに戻ってきてしまう…切なすぎるぜ
I know people keep saying we don't see any trace of Ivan in Till's eyes until it was already too late, but I think it's more tragic to point out that we do see Till 'see' Ivan during his section. When they were kids, when Ivan had no light in his eyes. So, I think it'a more appropriate to say that the end was more like the first time Till ever saw the light in Ivan's eyes and been able realize that that light had always been for him.
i have nothing to say this comment made me weep 😭
I am not mentally stable enough for this (thank you for the analysis)
STOP IT .
You’re just making my pain worse, oh gosh
Stop, please stoppp making me cry
IVANTILL KISS AT WHAT COST 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
EVERYTHING 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
MY SANITY
"YAYYYYYY--OH JESUS CHRIST IVAN NOOO😭"
IM GOING TO SOB FOR AGES
MY METAL STATE.
THE LITTLE SMOOCH IVAN GIVE TO TILL BEFORE DIYING AS A FREAKIN FAREWELL TO THEN START "CHOKING" HIM SO HIS OWN POINTS DOWN AND ALSO HIS BELOVED AND FRIEND DOESN'T SEE HIM BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST BREAKS MY SOUL 😭😭
IKRRR I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT BCUZ IM LIKE I CANT BE THE ONLY ONE
He wasn't even choking him because there were no marks on Till's neck 😭 He made it look like he was choking him so he'd get eliminated.
@@cookies_and_kitties6586 WOOW I DIDNT NOTICE THAT
I AM GONE.
FR I CRY
하 짇짜 보면 볼수록 눈물만 나옴 ..... 아... 진짜.......... 아..................
Can we talk about how Till's final score is 89 and in Round 3, when Ivan wasn't self-sabotaging, his was 90? One point difference. Again. The parallels to Mizi and Sua are endless. I'm so tired Vivinos, what about my mental health? Huh? I've got exams coming up and all I can think of is these two little bastards. I miss you so much Ivan.
😢😢😢
SAME..
I have my final exams and MAN I WANNA *** DIEEEE
Good luck on your exams y’all
SAME😭
I find Till's development in this clip very interesting. You can see here that he's given up. He is the first to stop singing, he barely resists Ivan during the kiss. It's such a stark contrast to the first clip. Till from the past could put up a fight, but he doesn't now. Till is so devastated.
On the cotrust, seeing Ivan's eagerness to fight for every bit of attention from Till, and his immense strength for self-sacrifice really breaks my heart.
this.
Yeah, and he's like that because Mizi disappeared. In the first clip she was almost next to him and basically the song was dedicated to her. Now, with her missing, he feels like he has nothing to lose anymore and I find this pretty interesting since we know that Mizi loved Sua and showed no interest in Till. He's so in love with her and devoted it hurts...
좀비물도 괜찮으니 7라 전에 무덤에서 이반이 기어나오면 좋겠네요!
미친거냐고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
아 개 터졌네ㅠㅠㅠ 미치겟네 ㅠㅍ
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
아진자개웃기네ㅜㅜㅜㅠㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅋㄹㅋㄱㄱㅋㄱㅋㄱㅋㄱㅋㄱㄱㅋㅋ
그냥 미지 현아네가 이반 데려갔으면 좋겠음.... 아님 갈아서 우주밖에 뿌려지는 눈꽃된단 말임.... 틸에 미친놈ㅠ 살아서 틸이랑 지독하게 엮어주라......
힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내... 힘내...
Came back from Round 7, I love how they all came back to life and defeated the aliens and continue living together!!! Sua and Mizi living in the same house and Ivan and Till dating, while Hyuna slaying. They got the happy ending they deserved 💗🥺
oh yeah..... sure haha really
Remember whole alliance stage is a program and our kids are just actors, they are fine and happy 🥳
Of course
🅱️umber 🅱️ifteen 🅱️urger 🅱️ing 🅱️oot 🅱️ettuce 🅱️he 🅱️ast 🅱️hing 🅱️ou 🅱️ant 🅱️n 🅱️our 🅱️urger 🅱️ing 🅱️urger 🅱️s 🅱️omeone's 🅱️oot 🅱️ungus 🅱️ut 🅱️s 🅱️t 🅱️urns 🅱️ut 🅱️hat 🅱️ight 🅱️e 🅱️hat 🅱️ou 🅱️et
My favourite scene was when the director screamed "cut! "
2:42 너무 아껴서 감히 키스조차 못했으면서 대신 목숨은 내어주는거냐? 미친 사랑
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ하 쥰내 슬픈데 말투가 넘 웃김
아 말은 슬픈데 말투가 개웃겨 큐ㅠㅜㅠㅠ큨
ㅅ뷰ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
틸 점수높은거 확인하고 다정하게 키스하는거 미쳤나. 그때까지도 틸은 당연히 자기가 질 줄 알고 있었겠지. 이반 팬들이 압도적으로 많으니까. 그래서 목이 졸리는 순간까지도 자기가 진 줄 알고 죽을 준비하는데 틸 눈치못채게 이반은 총 맞으면서도 놔주질 않았고 나중에 틸이 이반 쓰러진 거 보고 상황파악하는게 맴찢임. 마지막 순간에서야 틸은 이반의 수 많은 배려 중 하나를 알아챘겠지..쓰발 너무 슬퍼...
ㅠㅠ해석 너무 슬퍼요ㅠ
ㅠㅠ
가슴이 오억오천갈래로 찢어져~~~
@@this_is_sangcom오조오억 갈래로 찢어져 ㅠㅠ
제발요 이게 자해지 씨발... 오열중...
Sua and Till were down after a shot bit bro didn't even flinch when he got shot repeatedly. 😭
THAT ADRENALINE FOR HIS LOVE KEPT HIM GOING WHAT CAN I SAY
can we just talk about how much emotion Ivans eyes had at 3:40 normally his eyes don't have highlights which makes him feel inhumane but as soon as he realizes he's actually going to die his eyes become more human
I read a theory that his eyes finally lit up only after he realized his plan worked and Till would have a chance to win and be safe and live- now I'm crying-
I mean the first time we see Ivan he scored a 90 but in this round he only scored a 70 he definitely sacrificed himself for Till
@@Haz3l.Sa1yeah i was thinking that was probably the case too. if i loved someone as much as ivan did i wouldn’t be scared to die. i’d be happy that i was able to get the person i love to live
it’s the fact that ivan holds on until the last bullet hits that makes me go crazy…
he knew that if he let go on the first bullet, the aliens would have just saved him. so he kept pushing until the point of no return…and that’s why when the final killing bullet hits he smiles immediately before letting go…
ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ
Im cryingg😭😭😭
ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ😢😢😢😢 i am crying...
Don't do this to me
oooooooooooooooo😦😦😦😦😦😭
Notice how starting from 2:54 of the vid, Ivan's eye lack those glint or white stuff on his eye, they only came back when, FIRST, when he was looking at the scores. Then SECOND, when he was shot for the last time.
Notice how he lacked those glint while kissing Till. It's as if he wanted Till to hate him even more, so that the ending can be less painful.
Notice how, even with the cold demeanor and forcing Till, at the end, he was able to be relieved that the person he loves most got to live.
That even then, Ivan managed to show who he really is to Till before dying.
Just like in Black Sorrow, Ivan's mask broke because of Till, and in the end, Ivan's end, it was still Till who broke that mask of his. Only Till.
STOP YOU’RE MAKING ME SOB
im sure you also suffered typing this comment as much as i have suffered and cried soooo much reading this. bet it was like :
'notice...*sobsobsob* how even, *cries*'
It felt a lot like ivan was trying to make till hate him even more so till would remember him, kinda like how it was hinted that sua originally was going to sacrifice herself for mizi to save mizi and also so mizi would remember her
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@msk-qp6fn hits hard when you remember the community post where Ivan talks to Sua about being selfish and sacrificing herself because Ivan sAYS to her "you'll be a traumatic experience to Mizi"
he knows Till doesn't love him, nor even look at him even when Mizi isn't around, but he still plays up his cold persona so Till doesn't pity Ivan when he dies- which knows he will. Ivan doesn't want any good memories attached to him in Till's mind so that Till can continue fighting and live on with no heartbreak.
the way no one would die for Ivan In alien stage
all is us
If I was in Alien Stage, I would die for him
Something I noticed about Ivan is that I feel like, whenever Till looked like he was feeling down or looked like he was on the verge of giving up, Ivan would do things to purposefully grate on tills nerve in order to get him to fight. I think he did that because he fell in love with Till and his fighting spirit and never wanted to see it die out. I feel like it's also part of the reason why he kissed Till during the competition as well. Because of Mizi being gone, he looked like he was on the verge of giving up and Ivan didn't want that. Granted I'm just speculating, but it feels like a common theme.
wow, i agree! just noticed that. maybe he had mutipple plans an intentions behind the kiss and strangling. making sure he would get disqualified, trying to make till mad and keep fighting..
You make me sick I want to cry
wait i have question why did ivan choke till even tho till got a higher score than ivan
@@swaggooo9638 I personally feel like it was, again, in part to incentivse Till to fight back like he always did. Possibly a wrong interpretation, but that's my perspective. I also know it's quite likely he wanted the score to stay the same so that he would be the one killed.
Ivan died for Till..😢
ok but how the second kiss feels much more genuine. Like after he checks the scores he gives him a short gentle one that feels both like a reassurance and a goodbye. Since Ivan tends to always look out for him in the past I guess thats how his genuine emotions shows up more. And that's when Till looks calm, really sees him and fully embrace him and the situation.
IKR that’s exactly what I was thinking bc ofc the first kiss was a shock to till but the second time is exactly how you describe it
For round 7 i'd be curious to see if Ivan would pop up more in Tills mind because of how Ivan affected him in this round
I have a funny feeling that luka would try to manipulate till and break him further the same way he did so to mizi if he does get affected by Ivan badly... Not sure if that's good or bad because it did give Mizi a chance to be rescued but they might just kill Till on the spot- same way they did to Ivan.
To be honest not too confident Till can pull round 7 off, bro needs a training arc
@@nour6789LMAOOOO I LOVE THIS COMMENT
STOP 😭 @@nour6789
I really hope so😢
While Till was singing about asking to be loved, to be seen. "Allow me to be on the tips of your fingers. Allow me to the ends of your feet". Basically saying "I don't care if you just use me, please look at me". And is recalled on the next verse "please, hurt me so that not a single drop of me remains." Basically asking for even a violent or toxic relationship.
Ivan sang demanding to be loved. "Even if your cold words cave scars beneath my eyes. May they linger on your tongue" meaning, I know you see me, even if it's not like I wished, you can see me.
"Notice my pain and mend me right now. To quiet my fears, I'll drown in you." Unlike Till, he's not asking, not begging, he's telling him his feelings directly knowing they might not be corresponded.
"Sick of these nights to come. To be engulfed in silence." Was the moment he decided to not let Till lose.
이게 진짜 미치는 점이 마지막의 마지막까지 찐한 키스가 아니라 가벼운 버드키스라는게 이반이 틸을 사랑하는 감정이 진짜 순수한 사랑에서 나오는 아카페라는게 쫌 죽고싶어짐. 이반은 음침한집착광공처럼 보였는데 사실 가장 순수한 사랑을 하고 있었던 거임.... 맹목적인.....
이반은 틸 살리려고...어쩌면 틸에게 크게 기억되도록한 발악이였을지도 모르겠음....
어쨌든 이반은 애초에 죽으려 올라온 무대같음....
아아아 순수한 사랑이라는 말이 나를 미치게한다
다른 댓글이랑 노래 풀버전 영상 들어보니까 알게된건데요.. 공백 간주 시작했을 때가 원래 틸이 불러야했던 파트였는데 아무말 없이 가만히 있어서 이반이 마이크 던지고 틸 살릴려고 키스한거고 둘이 키스하던 장면은 원래 둘의 합주 파트였다는..ㅠㅠㅠ
저혼자 지금 뒷북으로 버드키스의 이미 치면서 막 어... 혼자 난리 치고있는 사람... 그리고 혼자 계속 구라 같다 하면서 돌려 보고있는 사람
그것보다 분홍여자애 죽고나서 틸이 자포자기 한거 같아서 노래도 그게 남아서 틸이 죽을거 같은니 이반이 그런 틸을 살리려고 그리고 자신을 위해서 살라는거 같은??ㅠ전 이둘이 제일 슬픔....ㅠㅠ보면서 눈물났네여..
@@김은선-g6g 미지는 아직 죽은지 아니면 그냥 실종된건진 몰라요🤔 일단 틸 멘붕 박살난것같아서 슬프네요..😢
not only till doesn't think about ivan at all, but he doesn't look at him ONCE until he's physically forced to.
even in ivan's flashbacks he only looks at ivan when he's provoked (when they have a fight, when ivan touches his wound)
speaking of that fight they have...
(2:03) ivan seems particularly happy. i wonder if it's because till is paying attention to him for once.
even the lyrics go "notice my pain"
yea I don't think Till likes Ivan
@@Bright_Berry-Roi They’re friends, as shown in the flashbacks, but he obviously has/had romantic feelings for Mizi.
@@Bright_Berry-Roiit's clear, I think Ivan is just there in till's life, he finally saw/notice Ivan at the end. It's always when they die they realise 😭
@@Bright_Berry-Roi nobody thinks that lol but it's more obvious since it's the first time we see them together in present time. it's not just that till can't spare ivan a thought, he can't even spare him a glance. it's like ivan is a ghost, which is a sharp contrast to how obsessive ivan is about till.
it's also interesting how the till-mizi unrequited love feels a lot more innocent compared to ivan-till. it's probably because till is much less touchy and much more respectful, and also has other interests/things he cares about
@@inkcat7idk what u mean with "nobody thinks that" but I'm sure most do with the flashback and all.
But yes sure that doesn't mean they are friends, maybe to till but I doubt that. Ivan is just there in till's life.
Stoppp, the way Ivan’s expression softens when he spits blood😭😭
STP ITTTT
Bros just glad that his plan worked sucessfully of sacrificing himself for someone he loves 😭😭
BROOOO A TEAR APPEARED WHEN HE REALIZED HIS PLAN SUCCEEDED (WHEN HE GETS SHOT AND SPITS BLOOD, WHEN HIS GAZE SOFTENS)
HOW COME I ONLY KNEW ABT THIS KNOW AGHHHHHHHH, I THOUGHT THE ONLY ONE WHO CRIED WAS TILL. TURNS OUT THEY BOTH CRIED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Count your days, Vivinos... ☹☹☹☹
SHUT UP IM CRYING JST FOR THAT SCENE
I shouldn't have binge-watched this series today; now I'm crying my eyes out.
i'd just like to point out the fact that ivan fell in love with till because of his rebellious attitude and his spirit, when he fought against that monster dog thing when he they were still kids at the episode for round three. and the fact that part of till had only shone out because mizi was there with him, presumably wanting to protect mizi by fighting back against the monster. i think ivan finally really starts to understand the extent of how much till loves mizi when he saw that till had no fighting spirit left in him to fight back when he choked him. to me, it wordlessly told ivan that he fell in love with the rebellious fire of a boy that was ignited by someone else. that till's hope was mizi, and that the fire would extinguish alongside her disappearance. that fight in till was never for ivan to fall in love with, it was for and because of the hope he gets from mizi.
AHHHHHH GOD THIS COMMENT HURT 😭😭😭 good analysis oh my god
Omg that's such a good theory
you just tore my heart out with this omg
you are so fucking right YOU ARE RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHTTTT
That's a really good analysis! It really change my view on this video😭
3:44 틸이 항상 미지를 보느라 이반을 봐 주던 적이 없는데 마지막에 이반이 죽을 때 틸이 드디어 이반을 똑바로 보니까 이반 만족했다는 듯이 웃으며 가는게..... 나 울거야😭
you can really hear it in their voices, till’s voice is trembling and full of raw emotion and desperation, but ivan’s is steady, calm, determined. like he knows what he has to do. IM CRYING
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3:13 I don't know why no one talks about this moment where Till stops fighting and actually sees Ivan now before being strangled.
like a look that he is just beginning to understand. Because Till saw Ivan as someone who bothered him for no reason and not the perspective from Ivan where he takes care of him and he can finally see that part
(ps: at least I haven't seen anyone comment on it)
Ivan is trying to make sure that when he dies, Till doesn't feel guilty. In fact, Till has a pretty good affinity for Ivan with a score of 70.
3:34 I can’t help but feel that Ivan is not just making sure that they keep shooting him, but his expression is just desperation to have Till look at him one last time.
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He got what he wanted…at the very end….
honestly, I bet a lot of thoughts were running through his head there in just that one frame. ivan fell in love with till for his rebellious spirit, and now he’s watching him just give up without a fight. and that’s after he DID fight when ivan was kissing him. till would literally rather die than kiss him back. god this whole mv is heartbreaking
No🫸😭🫷
something i noticed in the full song "cure" is that the last verse of "yes, me" the 'me' is delayed by a beat or so almost as if Ivan is hoping that Till would respond to him, and whenever they were singing together in their duet, Ivan is singing in a slightly lower octave almost as if he's trying to let Till have to spotlight, despite the fact that in all of the other rounds they have sung in the same octave 😭
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AUCH THIS HURTS
STOP
COUNT YOUR DAYS.
im gonna alien stage you
0:38 Till is forced to sing "My Clematis," reading from the lyrics on the screen. I think he didn’t sing well because he was distracted by Mizi, and the part he sang was Sua's (My Clematis Ivan & Till ver). Ivan sang Mizi's part, but the aliens got angry because that wasn't what they wanted, so they showed a picture of the missing Mizi to clarify that they wanted Mizi's part sung as well.
1:01-1:08 An alien tries to restrain Till and mistreats him, evident in the subsequent scene where Till's clothes are wrinkled, and his body appears weak.
1:13 & 1:30 Till hallucinates seeing Mizi due to the effects of the drugs, but in reality, it's Ivan in front of him. That's why Ivan came back to save him. Ivan couldn’t save Till immediately because Ivan’s owner is a wealthy and influential person (he mentioned himself that he has to behave well because his owner is quite famous). That bar is where aliens showcase their pet-humans, and Ivan has all the access because of his owner and his popularity as a model.
1:23 & 1:25 Till is discounted at 50% at a store, and Ivan is tortured by his previous owner. It seems they both came from the same seller who liked to abuse pet-humans. Possibly, the alien in the "Black Sorrow" MV who wanted to throw Ivan off the building, but Ivan got lucky as he ended up at an auction and got a rich owner.
1:44 This might seem a bit odd, but Ivan should already be standing in front of the mic to ensure his voice is clearer to the audience since he wasn’t holding a hand mic or a mic close to his mouth. So, from this moment, he had already planned to reduce his points for Till's victory. In the early scene, Till was already standing in front of the mic.
2:11 - 2:14 Ivan looks at Till writing a song (perhaps for Mizi), which is why Ivan glances at Till afterward, imagining that the song was written for him.
2:15 - 2:19 The Raptor from "Black Sorrow," Ivan feels jealous about the song lyrics Till wrote, so he sets him up with Mizi to see his reaction. Ivan likes to act like a superhero, taking Till’s things and then returning them like a savior. However, this plan failed because Till firmly resisted since Mizi was with him, causing Ivan to watch from a distance.
2:20 - 2:21 After saving Mizi, Till gets injured and is treated while Ivan faithfully waits, pondering if he should hurt him more to get his attention.
2:28 - 2:35 Ivan’s bullying continues, causing Till to suffer the same wounds. Ivan licks Till’s blood, as if to say only he can heal him. Ivan also doesn’t wear a shock collar (since childhood, as seen more clearly here), indicating he can do more than he could as a child.
2:37 - 2:40 Ivan could remove the shock collar since childhood (perhaps his owner showed him how or he’s just smart, many students call Ivan a genius). Ivan doesn’t remove it in this scene because he knows Till wouldn’t go anywhere without Mizi. He just wants to reach Till, emphasizing that only he can free him, as he did in the bar.
2:54 - 2:56 Ivan glances at Till, who has stopped singing.
3:00 Ivan ensures that Till has given up.
3:23 Everyone knows the meaning of this kiss.
3:48 Till is confused by Ivan’s smiling face and not really choking him; he’s still processing everything that’s happened.
3:57 The audience has left, the lights are off, no guards are approaching-they probably don’t care, but Till clearly starts to realize something. He notices Ivan’s presence and keeps staring at his lifeless body. This is contrary to Till’s indifferent nature, who only cares about Mizi. Here, Till begins to realize that someone has been paying attention to him just as Mizi did for Sua.
Many say that because Ivan’s owner is rich, he wouldn’t let him die, but like in "Black Sorrow," Ivan is just a trophy. Once he loses, his owner will leave and look for another pet, as wealthy people do.
EDIITT : I take back my words about Ivan's owner being a bad alien. I think he is the best among the top 3. (I previously thought Luca's owner was the best because of his cute face, but it turns out he is the slyest and heartless one).
Ivan's owner said he was a bit disappointed that Ivan lost in round 6 and was curious about what changed this ambitious boy to lose (Poor Ivan, even his owner didn't know he fell in love to death) 😭. Then, when asked about any regrets, he said that what Ivan gave him was already quite a lot, so even though he lost, he considered it all worth it. (It seems like he wanted to thank Ivan 🥹).
When asked if he would return next season, he said he wouldn't and wanted to focus on investing in other businesses. I think he is the type of father who says you can't keep a cat, but in the end, falls in love with the cat, and when the cat dies, he is heartbroken and full of sadness but can't express it.
Ivan's owner is the best 🥹, perfectly matching Ivan's character, where from the outside, they appear to be a mysterious bad person, but inside, they are warm-hearted.
im gonna tweak
oh hell nah jigsaw yo ass tweaking /pos
i'm gonna pass out from this comment
Omggg are you talking abt my comment 😍🙏🏻🙏🏻
tweaking abt this analysis i cant believe we watched the same video and yet you extracted 80% more information than i did
I’m crying the fact Ivan only smiled once he saw tills face, only knowing he was able to hold till one final time was enough and to save him more time
It seems to me this song shows the unreciprocated love of each other. Till is singing it for Mizi, he truly believes his reason to live is dead; (1:11) “On your icy lips,” alongside with the image of her in a white robe as a kid shows that she is a corpse-cold, which makes her have icy lips. He also mentions “Let me drown in you” (0:54) emphasizing “let me” because he can’t, she’s no longer there.
Till on the other hand says “I’ll drown in you” (2:22) which shows he can drown, and he WILL drown, because Till is there, and he loves him.
Other comments have said that Ivan is dressed as a Broom while Ivan is dressed like he’s going to a funeral because it SHOWS their dynamic, Ivan loves him, while Till is MOURNING for Mizi. The only reason why he is even singing is FOR Mizi, to relief himself. While Ivan is doing it to LOVE Till.
I feel like Ivan’s sacrifice wasn’t planned, he SAW that Till had no will to continue singing, he had this twisted idea that Till was singing Ivan’s song as a duet (because he probably wrote it since he’s a fan favorite and has privileges) but Till stopped singing after “To this everlasting melody” (2:51) and didn’t sing “With our story” (2:59) “Lost in forever’s embrace” (3:04) because it isn’t their story, it’s not reciprocated. Which also explains why Ivan sung “Face to face WE dance” (2:54) because he truly believes this is a duet. ALSO (edit) it is come to my attention that the original song IS a duet (it’s on Vivinos page) and the part where Till stopped singing was THE START of the duet, which actually confirms that it is symbolism for unreciprocated love.
Even after the kiss, they’re dynamic is furtherly emphasized in 3:33 because Ivan wants Till to LOOK at him one last time, as he is desperate and his eyes shaking show it, but Till is only mourning and accepting his fate by having his eyes close, finally believing that his pain will be relieved. That he will get his cure.
However the one getting his cure instead is Ivan. It’s called Cure because by Ivan dying, his pain of not having his love returned is cured. It isn’t a sorrow anymore, it’s cured by his own death.
This is such a good analysis and I’m crying even harder, love all of your guys’ thoughts on the most recent stage 😭
CAN SOMEONE MAKE THIS TOP COMMENT??
the "let me" vs. "I will" was JUST at the tip of my tongue!! I knew they symbolized the difference in perspective.
"wearing black to symbolize Till mourning for Mizi" THEGASP I GUSPED
"Till not singing the 'with our story' line" WHOA BECAUSE IN TILL'S EYES ITS NOT ABOUT HIM AND IVAN. HE'S SINGING FOR MIZI. Ivan singing "face to face WE dance" because he recognizes hes singing with and FOR Till. Oh god.
"Till thinking he'll be cured from his pain by dying when it's Ivan who dies in the end instead, freed from his unrequited longing" WHAT. YOU'RE SO SICK. YOURE SICK AND TWISTED AND I SEE THIS. BRIGHT AND CLEAR.
I want to add on that Ivan probably tried to "cure" Till as well. Ivan tried to get Till to respond but Till remains silent and compliant. Till couldn't see Ivan trying to bring his flame, his fighting spirit back to life (because he was closing his eyes.. lmao)
Theyre so undeniably doomed, thank you for this analysis. I enjoyed it MUCH and LOTS and I will read it fifteen hundred times over thank you mwah
Я сейчас задохнусь от слез после этого комментария. У вас глаз алмаз. Заметить такие мелкие детали...
This analysis is so amazing oh my god!!! Thank youuu
You've made me sadder with this in depth analysis 😭
The Fact that Ivan was born on 14 Feb (velentine's day) yet was remained deprived of love.
That’s the day he was adopted I believe, not his real birthday
@@villager96 can't confirm it as it's not mentioned there that if it's his adoption date or birth date. Still can be consider as bday. *Edit* : it's confirmed it's his birthday the lastest community poll post about character profile says "birthday: 0214".
@@RB_kun40567 maybe he hates that date because it’s the day he was adopted by ugly aliens 🥶
@@villager96 could be
@@RB_kun40567 why would you edit your comment though? Didn’t you say something like 'we can still consider it to be his birthday'? And no, when they were tweeting about the birthdays of the characters, everyone had birthday besides the date except him, who had *adoption* day instead. They never said what his birthday was, probably because it’s supposed to be unknown.
Ivan saying “cheer up” (a direct reference to the recent comic with the flower that has younger Till and Ivan) to Till in his interview knowing full well what he was planning to do is so vile for us.
Also, very obsessed with the choice to switch Till’s outfit from white -> black and Ivan’s outfit from black -> white considering how their roles and actions got swapped. Till became grief stricken over Mizi and didn’t really fight against the aliens the way he usually did. Then you have Ivan, who was usually consistent in his performances and very obedient in regards to following rules, making the active choice to become “unpredictable” in the way Till usually was.
@@violetshockflare9327 you're so so right omg
thank you for this analysis I will throw up now thanks
omg where do i read the comics?
@@cina2218 They're on the official twitter or the community tab! Usually kind people will try to translate them in comments and replies, but I usually look into certain wording on some parts myself.
見る度にしんどい気持ちになるのに何回も見に来てしまうIVAN推し女
이반 계속 안광 없이 독기 가득한 눈으로 있다가 총맞고 딱 죽기 직전에 계획대로 틸 살릴 수 있어서 다행이라는듯 안광 살아나는거 심장 찢어진다..
하ㅜㅠㅠㅠㅠ
i love the glimpse of ivan’s eyes at 3:07 right before they kiss showing that’s he’s also surprised by what’s he’s doing but he can’t back down anymore cause he loves till too much and this kiss was him wanting till to see him, also showing that he wasn’t planning on doing this but since till stopped singing when they were supposed to duet he realized he had to do something to save till, if till dies then ivan would have no reason to live so he rather sacrifice himself
Спасибо я бы сама этого не заметила бы... ❤
He wanted a fair trial as well but deep down he wanted to Till to survive :(
At 3:46 Ivan's smile basically said ''You finally looked at me'' IM CRYING
im gonna cry 😭🙁
OMG
IM LITTERALLY PUJCHING THE WALL
UR NOT INVITED TO MY IVANTILL BIRTHDAY PARTY
Y si, ayyy lloro 😭😭😭
BRO THE FORESHADOWING FROM 0:11-0:12 IS CRAZY. LOOK AT TILL WITH HIS NOSEBLEEDING IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME PART IN FINAL ROUND 😭😭😭✋
4:22 ISNT SPOKEN ENOUGH‼️
what if the two guys that work with Hyuna were shocked bc BOTH Ivan and Till were supposed to be saved by Hyuna and Mizi😭thats why they look so concerned too afterwards when no one was answering the walkie-talkie
4:37 the alert says "Intruder Alert" so both Hyuna and Mizi got caught and attacked hence they couldnt reach for Ivan and Till in time to save them😭AHHHHH IVANNN AND TILLLL💔
Ivan is alive and Till is okay (Im delulu. We all are☺🥰) Cant wait for the next update though, this is where everything goes down🥲
This what happens when u try to save doomed yaoi😂😂
NOOOO WHY??????????????????? WHY??????????????????????????
@@infercalyokaiSTOP IT
if Hyuna and Mizi don't make it to that last round Till is DOOMED
Was just thinking this. I bet they absolutely were supposed to get them out but Hyuna and Mizi clearly git caught and had to hide so they weren't able to make it in time.
even in the acrylic standee merch, till isn't looking at ivan, but ivan is looking at till...
Stop im tired of crying 😭😭
This is breaking me 😿
PLEASE SHUT IT I WANT TO MOVE ONN
BRO I knew I wasn’t the only one who noticed that 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I almost started crying again
Dude enough 😭 I can't
2:44 이때 이반은 이미 무대서기 전에 모든걸 어떻게 할지 정해두고 마지막으로 인사하는 느낌이라 무대에서 보여주는 식으로 한 키스와 뽀뽀보다 더 마음이 아프고 아련하다... 진짜 사랑한다고 너랑 단둘이 도망치고 싶었다고 제발 날좀 봐달라고 부비는 그게 너무 가슴이 갈기갈기 찢어짐..
아 저 울어요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ
If you came here from Round 7 to see Till alive, just think that Ivan and Till are up there together, finally free from living in a hellhound :) (This is my delulu state talking)
IVAN MADE HIMSELF LOSE, LOSING HIS OWN SINGING TIME JSUT TO KISS TILL ONE LAST TIME.
you say one last time like they’ve kissed before THIS IS THEIR FIRST AND LAST KISS IM GOING TO THROW UP
WE BELIEVE IN IVAN SURVIVING
STOP IM BAWLING MY EYES OUT😭😭
LUCKILY! To be honest: no matter the tragedy, forced kisses are s* assault. Made me hurl to watch it. He is lucky it had a point
@@leroyjenkins1249I mean granted with the situation they’re in I don’t think their morality can compare to us on that lvl. They were raised by aliens that saw them as literal pets. Tho I get what you mean.
Everyone's talking about Ivan but i really wanna know exactly what Till's been feeling ever since Mizi's disappearance. Does he believe she's dead, gone and never to be seen again? Does he believe she's alive but feel betrayed because she ran away without even a glance his way, even though she was the sole reason he didn’t escape all those years ago?
What did he think of Ivan at the end? Did he finally realize how he was his sole ally when everything else seemed to be either blind or hostile towards him? Did he realize Ivan was going through the exact same thing he did with Mizi? That he gave away his freedom just for him, only to never even be perceived by the apple of his eye?
I noticed that Till is the one who sings about the falling stars during their past escape attempt, despite the fact it's a memory always shown from Ivan's perspective. Was it a more important moment for Till than we realized? Who was he thinking of in that moment? Mizi or Ivan?
If we don't get a clearer grasp on Till's emotions and story in the next round (?) istg im gonna lose my mind 😭
SAMEEE EVERYONE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IVAN(for good reason) BUT TILL! TILL! WHAT WAS HIS THOUGHT PROCESS???
"gave away his freedom" PUNCHED ME IN THE GUT????
TILL RAN BACK TO ANAKT GARDEN, IVAN RAN AFTER HIM. THEY BOTH GAVE AWAY THEIR FREEDOM ONLY TO NEVER BE PERCEIVED BY THE PERSON THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING THEIR WHOLE LIVES FOR
IVAN FORFEITED LIFE FOR THE FINAL TIME WHEN HE LET HIMSELF BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST SO TILL WOULD WIN. HE ACTED OUTRAGEOUSLY ON PURPOSE JUST SO HE'D BE DISCIPLINED, ENSURING TILL'S WIN
jesus I'm so invested in this series its driving me insane im so sorry for the rambling
OMG I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE BETRAYAL HE COULD FEEL FROM HER JUST UP AND DIPPING.
3:04 tills eyes dilated when he saw Ivan, I wonder what he thinks about Ivan specially in that moment 😢
RIGHT RIGHT!!
What was his overall thoughts? How is his feeling facing Ivan's dead? What would be shown in the next round? Will Luka use the same trick as he did with Mizi? If yes, who will be Till see? Will he go crazy and tried to kill Luka or perhaps he will try to kill himself? These thoughts has been haunting me!
"I love you. Live."
That's all I heard from Ivan in the end.
Saw a comment somewhere saying Till can live without Ivan but Ivan can’t without Till and it broke me (T n T)
“Thank you for being a victim to my shallow emotions”
@@Saya-ng1sl is this perhaps a quote from somewhere?
@@Arkleioit’s from a comic in Ivan’s perspective. You can find it on the official alien twt account or on this channel’s community tab. It was posted about 2-3 months ago the title is “confession” with the first photo being the back of Sua. Hope that helps!
(Also sorry if I sent this twice, RUclips was acting up for me)
@@Lulu_0809 thank you so much!