안녕하세요 😆 에일리언 스테이지 Round 3 이반의 목소리 병훈입니다! 에일리언 스테이지 프로젝트에 참여하게 되어 영광입니다. 멋진 작품 속 이반을 만나게 해주신 비비노스님 'Black Sorrow' 만들어주신 최용수님 그리고 좋은 기회를 주신 스튜디오 리코 비롯한 모든 관계자분께 진심으로 감사합니다. 💗 저도 팬으로서 남은 에일리언 스테이지를 응원하겠습니다. 언제나 나에겐 너 Black Sorrow...☆
Ivan's face when he watches Till running back to their captors is so heartbreaking. Like he expected this from Till, and worse yet, he knows he himself will run after him. Adoration and frustration culminating in a sad, resigned longing.
aw man... just realized that one of the ways the alien oppressors kept control over their human pet contestants was to have them form genuine bonds and friendships in childhood so that they would be reluctant to escape without them... because it's easier to escape on your own VS the much more impossible task of saving your friends. Such an effective but insidious method of control..
2:46 In that moment, when Ivan saw Til running back to their alien captors, all because he couldn’t leave Mizi behind, all because he chose Mizi over him and _freedom_ itself, his face looks like he’s thinking, “Yeah. You would do that.” Because that kind of tenacity and stubborn devotion despite all the odds stacked against Til is why he fell in love with the boy. It just hurts because it will never be for him.
But also Mizi loved the girl from her video so she’d never love Til either which also hurts. I just want all of them to be happy but unfortunately that won’t be the case T3T
I think this round might be my favorite one from the whole series. Ivan's pain, the lyrics, the animation, colours, instruments and just everything. The singer did an amazing job at portraying Ivan's emotions so well. This actually hurts to listen to, yet I can't stop because it's so good
I love how this video actually confirms a previous theory! During this song, Ivan allows another person to sing, meaning the whole time the songs are meant to be sung by sections by each person. This means the white hair dude (2nd video) took up all the song time. Whilst the 2 girls sung their song together as a duet to try and trick the system into getting the same score (and failed), which makes me wanna cry more :((
Coming back here after round 6 is just so devastating because with each line Black Sorrow seems more and more like Cure… literally each word perfectly captures Ivan’s unreciprocated love for Till… :( and the fact that Till actually wears BLACK in round 6 is like another punch in the gut… 😭
@@SaeahJeje this series is called alien stage where basically aliens keep humans as their "pets" and they have these competition where two humans sing against each other and the loser is killed Ofc there is a lore so you should watch it in order to understand more Idk if this will help but yeah
Also the fact that like... He sounds like he's already planning to die. He's literally hanging on for Till, but knows it's either going to end with him dying to save Till if he is pitted against him, or dying in grief because Till lost to someone else. The minute Till turned back in that field of meteors, Ivan was on borrowed time.
tbh i didnt expect myself to be this attached to ivan. When he was first introduced in the alien stage trailer i thought that he's the smooth and manipulative type of character. But looking at his round i somehow find him quite relatable. He might seems quite apathetic but he's actually just bottling up his feelings, his love and admiration for till, and his sorrow...
this exactly. this is also why i kinda hope he doesn't become smooth/manipulative during the stage with till the way some people are theorizing in the comments. i think it would be more heartbreaking and more accurate to what we can glean of him from this video to not want to battle till.
Yes, I also had the first impression that he was some sort of antagonist. But on the contrary, he seems to be the most talented and smart. His poker face is more of a survival skill than anything.
I absolutely LOVE 2:47 where it looks like Ivan accidentally let his actual emotions slip into his singing, and he immediately tries to compose himself. The sorrow in his face turning to frustration, then finally to his usual cool apathetic expression. That's sooo gorgeous
Ngl this might just be the most beautiful piece of animation I've ever seen. Not even kyoani has made me feel a character's emotion from their expressions as well as this...vivinos and qmeng are truly masters at their craft
Ivan's backstory as I understand it is: - he was owned by an abusive merchant (the alien who held him over the edge of the roof) - you can see them auction him off when there's that blue square behind him (you can see the other kids next in line, as well as an alien holding a mic), -he gets bought and pampered by a rich alien (we see rich alien at 2:12; the hand matches the hand that was on our boy at 1:12, he just doesn't look as big because he's next to other big aliens) - he gets shown off to the rich alien's other rich friends (he's holding what looks like an award or maybe that's the invitation to join the singing camp/boarding school) - he was put by rich alien in Anakt Garden, a singing boarding school (which seems to be a required prerequisite to joining the ALIEN STAGE contest. Can't join the contest otherwise) -Till and Mizi accidentally run towards an exit(?)/forbidden area when they were chasing a flower crown that got blown by the wind--a guard dog alien beats Till up. - he's amazed as Till FIGHTS BACK against the alien (compared to himself whose always been passive), and probably continued to be amazed by Till's continued rebellion beyond this point. - inspired by Till, he later tries to escape and run away with him during a meteor shower as his first act of rebellion, but Till presumably doesn't wanna leave Mizi behind and goes back. - our boy laughs bittersweetly and heads back as well since his inspiration + love + reason for trying to escape in the first place just went back.
Also I would like to point out something at 2:28 when till woke up he saw the screen of Ivan winning and then a flashback the lyrics went like this: “Such black, black sorrow And you, you are always for me Black sorrow To me you are Black sorrow To me you are Black sorrow” => the entire time during these lines Ivan was pointing at most likely Till. He also let his emotions slip when it comes to directly confronting Till at 2:47 and then tried to composed himself
I like how Till's song ends with drums whereas Ivan's starts with them, as if one was meant to be a continuation of the other, like Till's rebellion could only naturally result in Ivan's yearning. I think the power of this song comes from the bitter-sweet irony of their dynamic. At first, we see that Ivan, despite his situation, still longed for freedom, even if it meant the end of everything, symbolised by the shooting stars that may shine brightly and beautifully while they run through the dark sky, but are still fated to crash in the most destructive way. Yet, his will seemed to disappear slowly as time went by, he became numb, years of use and abuse turned him into a singing puppet traded and paraded by his masters. Until he crossed path with Till, who unapologetically kept his free spirit and fighting will despite the punishments and the risks for his very life (though we can easily guess that his only saving grace is his value as a singer). Ivan could only fall for him, the embodiment of his repressed desires, to the point of trying to save him and run away together. And we can see that both of them seem truly happy, maybe for the first time since a long time, while a rain of meteors crashes around them, the culmination of this freedom they were after, knowing that could cost them their life if they are found out before managing to leave. But then a realisation hits Till, most likely the fact that he can't stand leaving Mizi behind even if it means giving up his only chance of realising his dream of freedom. And Ivan, understanding that the person he saw as his symbol of hope not only loved someone else enough to stay in a place he hated, but also turned out to be a willing prisoner because of the very feelings that gave him the will to fight, can only smile bitterly yet longingly: it didn't change how he felt for Till, and he too found himself unable to run away without him. The tenderness and resignation of his gaze at this moment is such a masterpiece of artistry that every time I watch it my stomach is tied in knots and I have a lump in my throat 😭 In the end the shooting star rain he dreamt about all his life only resulted in a black sorrow for him,and the fact that he knows he will have to compete against Till in the next round makes everything even more heartbreaking This one is definitely my favourite in the series so far. While "My Clematis" was the last love song of two lovers who wanted to share this final moment and "Unknown - 'til the end" was a declaration of both love and war no matter the consequences, Ivan's song is the pinnacle of everything that makes Alien Stage so fascinating, it's a tale of tragedy, of an unrequited love, an unattainable dream and a fate none of them can fight against. Yet they all give their best, to give a meaning to their performances, to take this chance to express the things they could never express before... I think I'm gonna cry lmao
bro... you made me cry even more 😭 how did I only now realise Ivan, just like Till, also came back to the place he hated to be with the one he can't leave behind? damn... also I wonder what heartbreaking story the character at the end is going to have 😀
its fascinating how all of them are just kind of... unaware of each other. like, in round one, we're only shown the girls and their friendship and how much they mean to one another. in Till's song, all of the memories he's focusing on to sing are about Mizi and i don't think we even see Ivan. which is weird considering Ivan literally broke them both out of whatever prison they were in and tried to *free* them both from captivity. and in Ivan's song, he sees Till and Mizi, but in the beginning, he didn't take an interest in Till until he saw him rebel. Ivan was more or less just going through the motions, resigned to his imprisonment. he only took notice of Mizi at all because Till liked her it's just so interesting how it appears like they were all raised/imprisoned together but all of their stories hardly intertwine, only focusing on one other person at most despite the fact that there are so many other kids around them
If you take into account the fact that they most likely know from the begining that they will have to fight against each other in a competition where the losers will die, it's quite obvious they either weren't encouraged to form deep relationships or they ended up by themselves avoiding getting too close to people who could potentially become their opponent. That makes the only person they can't help gravitating towards (reciprocally or not) even more so special, I guess
Interesting take, I would argue tho, that each story is beautifully intertwined, instead of them all being separate stories, all characters are connected in some way.
@@miyajayefigueroa2125 yes true!! i just meant it in the way that you can still have a friendship/be friends with the one you love and the relationship will be beautiful either way
The amount of passion Vivnos manages to put in the eyes of her characters is something I can never get over, you can see their madness, their sorrow, their longing and it makes me absolutely feral since each character is so different
1:27 Till was chasing the flower Head band Mizi gave to Sua or Sua gave to Mizi (I dont remember), he is chasing it just cuz its somehow related to Mizi. GAWWD IM CRYING
@@canelitaa5337 hace poco me di cuenta que VIVINOS era mujer y que es lesbiana por una foto en su canal. Creo que es por eso que todas sus series son Yuri.
@@Jac_mx03 he can survive a bullet QwQ I believe he's still alive. Cause ain't no way the favorite one will let him die when they can still make a lot of money from him 😭😭
@@Jac_mx03 I'm hoping he's still alive because he is a favorite of the aliens, I'm sure they paid to make sure he lives. Someone mentioned Ivan was the favorite because if you notice when they were kids, only Ivan had no collar. Even growing up, Till had it except him. (at the bar). The aliens that adopted him might just discipline him 🥲🥲 *me on copium*
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at 2:28, Till only just wakes up from being retrained after round 2. He missed the majority of the song and Ivan's feelings, and I think Ivan might have known that it would be this way. He was watching Till at the end of round 2 as he passed out. Till probably still doesn't understand... ouch
@@moonofficial8173yes so BEAUTIFUL bruh its only 4 minutes n it tells a more emotional story than some stuff ive seen arghhhhhh bruh when he got shot in the later round i SCREAMED
미친 거 아니냐 진짜,,,,반항하는 틸을 순응하며 살던 삶 속에 제일 빛났던 유성우와 겹쳐보며 사랑에 빠지고 우연히 찾았던 탈출구를 통해 틸과 함께 빠져나가려했지만 틸은 자신의 사랑이었던 미지 때문에 함께 하지 못했고 그 뒷모습을 바라보며 씁쓸히 웃으면서도 틸을 사랑하여 그를 버리고 갈 수 없어 남아 저 스테이지에서 노래를 부른다는게 진짜,,,,,저 작은 세계의 아이들의 사랑을 보여주는 것 같아서 마음이,,,,찢어지고,,,걍 행복해졌음 좋겠ㄷㅏ,,,,,,내가 외계인들 그까이꺼 다 없애줄게 아가들아ㅜㅠ
What I find interesting with this video is that we see more about the format of the Alien Stage competition. At 1:35, Ivan has to wait until his opponent is done singing for himself to start, so the competition is probably set so that each person gets their own spotlight singing before the voting is done. This is intresting because if this is the case, then both Mizi and Til technically broke the rules of the Alien Stage competition. Mizi singing at the same time as Sua (not taking separate turns), and Til not giving his opponent a chance to sing at all.
it confirms everyone's speculation from the last two videos! Mizi and Sua wanted to win together and break the system somehow, so they sang in duo. which is why Mizi was so shocked when Sua died; she wasnt expecting to be the sole winner. and Till didn't let his opponent sing, not just because Til sang the whole thing, but because he wasnt singing the song that they were supposed to sing, so his opponent didnt know how to join in
I was wondering why Til's song was only 2 minutes long. That was cause he literally only sang half his song before killing his opponent. That also explained why his opponent was surprised when he walked forward first, cause he was supposed to sing second but he's not allowing any chances from the beginning. What a nice attention to detail
@@dandanthedandan7558 i think it was confirmed that rather than killing his opponent himself (altho since he won the other dude probably got killed regardless) the guitar was another ailen hence the guts and blood - imo tils goal was probably just to get the other dude to shut up so he wouldnt have the chance to start singing
@@dandanthedandan7558 not sure on that part bc people haven't mentioned what happened with him in the aftermath n I don't have access to the extra material-
Ivan, thus far, is not only the guy who got the highest points, overhelming the rival, but also didnt play any trick like trying to sing a due nor ... smashing the rival head haha.
I don't think Till has smashed his opponent head He has just smashed(and killed) his Alien guitar named Freddy. The only trick was that he didn't let his opponent sing. For me, He probably killed Freddy to end the round and that would explain why his music is shorter than the others round. (Sorry for my poor English)
제 뇌피셜로 한번 영상을 해석해보았습니다... 1:11 이반도 처음에는 반항이 심했습니다 틸처럼 목걸이를 찬채로 생활했어요 0:57 하지만 외계인에게 협박을 당한 이후로 얌전히 지내게 되었죠 (1:07 그림자 안쪽으로 들어옴=떨어지지는 않음) 아마 뒤에 다른 아이들이 많은 걸로 봐서는 재능있는 아이들을 이용해서 돈을 버는 외계인 같습니다 (눈동자에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출1) 1:12 살기 위해 이반은 반항하지 않고 노래도 열심히 연습해 많은 외계인들에게 후원을 받게 되었습니다 1:14 다른 아이들보다 일찍 현실을 자각한 이반은 순수함을 잃었고 다른 아이들과 잘 어울리지도 못했습니다 1:22 틸과의 첫 만남인 것 같네요 틸은 날라간 화관을 줍기 위해 우연히 홀로그램으로 가려진 공간에 가게 되었고 이반은 틸을 막기 위해 따라나섰습니다 (미지가 같이 온걸로 보아 화관은 아마도 미지의 것, 수아가 준 화관이니 안따라올 수가 없음) 1:38 틸과 미지는 화관을 주우러 가다 괴물을 맞닥뜨립니다 목걸이를 찬걸로 보아 괴물도 외계인이 기르는 것 같네요 1:57 틸은 미지를 위해 괴물과 맞서 싸웁니다 이반의 반응으로 봐서 이 사건을 계기로 이반이 틸을 동경하게 된 것 같아요 (눈에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출2) 2:19 틸이 벌인 일로 인해 학대는 더 심해졌고 이후로 틸은 감금되어 밖에 나가지 못하게 되었습니다 외계인들에게 예쁨 받는 이반은 비교적 이동이 자유로워 틸을 꺼내주어 같이 탈출 시도를 합니다 2:24 틸의 눈동자가 이반처럼 변했네요 2:30 기절했다가 깬 틸이 클로즈업 되며 현재 시점에서는 원래 눈동자로 돌아왔음을 보여줍니다 (= 결국 탈출하지 않았다) 2:34 틸은 이반의 손을 놓고 잠깐 고민하는 듯 하더니 탈출을 포기합니다 제 생각으로는 미지가 생각났던 모양이네요 이반과 틸의 관계성에 있어서 주목해야할 점은 둘이 각각 바라보는 방향입니다 틸은 항상 왼쪽만 바라보고 이반은 오른쪽에 서있지만 틸이 있는 왼쪽을 바라보죠 이 점을 중심으로 다시 해석해보면 1:16 화관 = 미지(화관이 미지의 것이라는 걸 전제), 화관이 날아가는 방향 = 틸이 향하는 방향 = 왼쪽 = 틸의 미지 사랑 상징 / 이반은 오른쪽을 바라보다가 처음으로 왼쪽을 바라보게 됨=이반이 틸에게 관심이 생김 2:24 틸이 이반과 함께 오른쪽을 향함 = 틸이 이반에게 마음을 염 (와중에 이반의 시선은 틸을 향해 있음, 처음이자 마지막으로 이반과 틸이 서로를 마주보는 장면) 2:36 이반의 시선이 완전히 오른쪽으로 가있던 사이 틸이 걸음을 멈춤 2:41 틸은 결국 왼쪽으로 감 = 이반보다는 미지를 선택 = 자유보다 미지 = 틸의 순애를 보여줌 2:44 이반은 왼쪽으로 완전히 몸을 돌림, 동시에 현재의 이반은 왼쪽을 향해 손을 뻗지만 틸에게 닿지 못함 = 슬픈 짝사랑ㅠㅠ 3:41 후에 틸과 이반이 대결하게 됨을 미리 보여줌 와중에도 틸은 왼쪽 이반은 오른쪽 추가로 별똥별 해석 아마 왼쪽이 꿈, 사랑, 순수 등을 의미하는 것 같고 오른쪽이 잔인한 현실을 의미하는 듯...? 0:39 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 처음엔 이반도 왼쪽에 있었다 0:44 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 죽을 뻔한 위기에서 별똥별을 바라보며 자신의 현실(반항해서 좋을게 없다, 외계인에게 순종해야 살아남는다)을 자각 , 이 일을 계기로 이반은 오른쪽에 속하게 됨 0:54, 1:06 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속했던 과거의 자신 회상하며 슬퍼함 (자세히 보면 울고 있음) 1:15 아이들이 왼쪽으로 향함 - 왼쪽이 순수를 의미한다는 걸 보여주는 장면 1:57 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속한 틸 의미, 그러한 틸을 보며 부러워하는 이반 2:07 ~ 2:16 무대배경의 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 오른쪽에 속한 이반 의미 2:21 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 별똥별은 왼쪽을 향해 있지만 틸과 이반은 오른쪽을 향해 나아가는 모순 하지만 틸이 곧 왼쪽으로 가며 이반도 왼쪽을 바라보게 되고 모순은 바로잡아진다 = 이반과 틸은 함께 오른쪽으로 갈 수 없다 2:54 겉으로는 별똥별이 오른쪽에서 왼쪽을 향하는 것 같겠지만 이반의 뒷모습이기에 정면 관점에서는 별똥별이 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 향하는 것처럼 보임 - 틸처럼 왼쪽에 속하고 싶지만 현실은 오른쪽에 속할 수 밖에 없는 이반 이번 대진표로 인해서 틸과 이반이 붙게 된다는게 반확정이 되어버렸군요ㅠㅠㅠ 둘 다 살아서 행복했으면 좋겠지만 상황을 봐서 이반이 틸을 위해 일부러 져줄 것 같은 건 기분탓이겠지요... 틸은 자신이 결승에서 미지랑 붙어서 자신이 져주고 미지를 살려야겠다는 생각으로 저번영상처럼 필사적으로 우승하려 하는 것 같아요
2:54 에서 보이는 별똥별이 이반을 뜻하는 게 아니라 쭉 이어지는 걸 보면 틸을 뜻하는 것일 수도 있을 거 같아요! 이반이 손을 뻗고 있는 방향으로 보이는 별똥별이기 때문에 탈출하지 않은 순애의 틸을 의미하는 게 아닐까 생각을 보태봅니당 마침 가사도 나에겐 너 black sorrow이더라구요
The scene at 2:34 makes it seem like Ivan was able to save Till and they were able to escape but Till decided to run back causing Ivan to follow… its so sad you can tell ever since Ivan met Till he’d do anything for him but Till isn’t as enamored as he is since his heart lies elsewhere. Ivans facial expressions are also very sad you can tell how much emotion he has bottled up when it comes to Till. Everything is so bittersweet 😭 People might be like what if Ivan dies for Till but what if its the other way around, Ivan has become so obsessed with not being able to control him and have him so he ends up taking Tills life into his own hands since he feels he can gain a sense of control and longing over Till… their characters are so chiefs kiss…. They should also kiss
@@icac0103 I agree but part of me feels like till vs mizi is very predictable … i like the thought of ivan vs mizi since they both have lost the person they love the most i think they will hold the other more as the source of their sadness and even tho it was not the other person fault still place this blame since they have no other outlit but to kill the other… idk in the end what happens im sure will be super interesting
i like how ivan seeing till run back after they escape directly parallels their first meeting, where ivan follows till from curiosity and inevitably later on as he follows from his newfound love and attachment towards him. like he's forever destined to follow till, now more than ever as he immediately turns around after noticing till's ran back the constant flickering from ivan witnessing till fight back and thinking back to the meteor shower, is honestly so nicely done. ivan's constant focus on the meteor shower symbolizes his yearning for freedom, and alike the desire for the meteors is his infatuation with till. unfortunately, even if he did escape, ivan would've had no means of surviving in that world as a kid against aliens, ultimately his yearning fot freedom is simply an unlikely dream just like how his desire for till is too - seeing till run back presumably because he couldn't leave mizi (pink hair girl) made him realize that. he yearns for till like he yearns for meteors/freedom, these are two things he knows he cannot have.
I think the shooting stars show up as imagery to symbolize ivan realizing how beautiful and special life is/when he feels alive (when he nearly dies (0:34), when he sees Till for the first time fighting (1:53 - 2:03 ) vs when he's showed in adoration and rewards but feels nothing (1:11 - 1:15)) but when Till pulls away from him, we see shooting stars for what they really are. Burning hunks of rock that rain destruction down upon where they hit. And maybe that shift in visuals is meant to represent Ivan realizing the brutality of the life he's stuck in and feeling sorrow (when Till rejects him) compared to the apathy he usually feels for everything. And maybe the shooting stars represent him as a whole. From a distance, they are cool, otherworldly and beautiful, but in truth they are fire-ensconced destruction just like how Ivan looks so serene and alien from the outside but he's really burning up inside and for Till EDIT: okay subtitles are on now so I have additions. I guess from the lyrics, Ivan sees himself as the inky darkness and Till as the shining light and that Till's brightness and liveliness further highlights how empty Ivan is, especially since Ivan cannot reach out to him (0:50-1:00). Ivan is aware that he and Till can never have a happy ending, that there is NO happy ending for this story. So alternative interpretation: the meteor showers represent Till to Ivan. Till is the shiny light in in the darkness of Ivan's existence. The more Ivan sees Till, the greater the emptiness of Ivan's life deepens in contrast. Furthermore--going with the Till is the meteor shower theory--that's why there can be no happy ending, why there is only "a cold spot stained in blood", because while meteors are beautiful while they burn, they eventually burn out. Till cannot burn forever; he is fated to burn out into a cold husk. His life, his fight, is beautiful and shocking but ephemeral at best. The traits that Ivan loves Till for are the very same traits that will ensure their story's tragic ending. For at that Till makes Ivan feel alive, Ivan seems certain that he will be the only one alive at the end. also just the fact that Ivan only seems to feel emotion when he faces death is something notable (0:50 over the edge, 1:53-2:01 witnessing the monster dog, 2:08 on the stage singing to live)
tears in my ivan fan eyes 1:10 this one specific part fills me with such despair he just stands there, empty, not being treated as a person by the aliens but an object to show off to other people. i love u forever king ivan, even if till couldnt
I just realized here 1:04 u can see Ivan crying his expression almost as if he's given up on struggling but is also scared of dying at the same time. Yet, he seems to be encouraged/inspired/empowered by the shooting stars; almost as if thinking "Wow, there's still something so beautiful left in this cruel world". Then, later when he watches Till, u can see him referencing the stars (something so dazzling bring color into his life yet unattainable at the same time just like a shooting star). Ai, my hearts aching so bad..... Especially after Round 6.... (T.T)
Maybe I'm bias because this is the first video I saw but still for me this round is the best in this series. The lyrics, the voice, the animation, the emotion, all of it is perfect 🥲
I adore how he is calm and collected; knowing his value, and patiently awaiting his competitor to finish. It's a perfect juxtaposition to his crush who just decides to kill the competition.
I agree, although I'm pretty sure that Till didn't kill his opponent- his guitar was apparently some form of alien life itself so the imagery was literal and not metaphorical there haha
Notice how Ivan sees Till like the 'stars,' he adores him so much yet his feelings are basically a shadow, "you can't reach a star so you can only observe from afar" 1:58 lol im feeling poetic today
And then the line from Clematis: “The Galactic Star dust in your eyes spreads out.” Which we see in Ivan’s eyes but yeah, the association of stars with Till…reflected in his eyes. Brings to mind a line from one of Pink Bitch Club that’s something like “see the love reflected there” 😢 The falling stars we get in this one and then the rain in round 6…kill me.
Clematis: Two lovers professing their love (and in the last verse) mourning that they can’t be together forever Unknown ‘Till the end: A profession of love and a will to fight no matter what. To have his voice heard. (Ironically unnoticed by the only person it was meant for) Black Sorrow: Resigned pain knowing what could’ve been vs what is reality. The understanding that he wants the unattainable. (Till’s affection & freedom) I love how all the songs tie closely to love and wants but are all different perspectives and emotions. Amazing.
얘네 둘이 다음 스테이지에서 붙어야 한다는게 너무... 내 마음을 갈기갈기 쫙쫙 조각조각 북북 찢어놓는다.... 내가 대신 서고싶다.... 나 ㄹㅇ 노래 개못하는데 그 누가 오든 져줄 자신 있는데.... 제발... 이채널에 꿈과 희망 가득한 엔딩은 대체 언제 나오는건가요.....
ㅋㅋㅋ 누가보면 사회 동등한줄 져주긴무슨 맨날 처음부터 무지한 호구 아니여도 쫄아서 호구 되가 누구입맛대로 고분고분 이래도 당하고 저래도 죽임당하고 맨날 밟히는게 뭐 좋은말로 양보지 그뿐만이면 다행이게 서열에 안들고 평생 딱까리만 오지게 함 동성정상 이성 비정상 비혼레즈가 대세 맞다 게이즈도 이건 딴소리지만 나도 사회 법단어 누구입맛 차별에 경쟁사회에 코피노로 사회경쟁자떨구고싶고 여유있을때 애랑 노예거저얻고싶음 여성은 사내여 남자는 자집남 어데 자집따위가 노래로 돈을 벌려고 하나 시집이나 가서 필수로 난자받아 애나낳고 집안일뒷바라지나 해야지 리스크있는 능력을 공짜로 노오력해서 애거저 못줄꺼면 자집끼리 자집답게 뽀뽀사랑 시집이나 가 경쟁사회에 서열에 들 생각은 안하고 ㅂㄱㄴ ㅂㄱ쥐똥+ ㄱㅇㅈ 성ㅂ걸리고 또 낳다 ㅂㄱ되고 죽고 무사히낳아도 건강망치고 평생가성비공짜 애거저주고 딱까리나 쳐하고 있는데 게이즈 ㄷㄱ서로 ㅈㄱㄴㅂㄱㄴ사랑 파멸에 헛소리 말고 자기 자신이나 사랑하삼 여자는 특히 힘! 그리고 능력!
I didn't like the first two rounds that much (personal preference) but this...this hit me IMMEDIATELY. The vibe, the wide camera shots, the music, the dark melancholy...it's just my thing.
와 .. 숨 쉴 구간을 안 주시네 처음 본 별똥별에 받은 감명을 틸을 보고 다시금 느끼는 게 소름 돋았는데 틸과 멀어지자 그것이 불덩어리가 되는게 이반의 주체성을 표현한 것 같아요 .. 그리고 틸에 대한 갈망이 표정에서 잘 표현돼서 입벌리고 있었는데 이렇게 바로 다음 스테이지 아이가 나오다니 ;; 저 미쳐버려요
미쳤다.. black sorrow가 직역하면 시커먼 슬픔인데 다른말로 흑심임..ㄷㄷ Ivan이 바라보는 시선끝에는 Till이 존재하고 Ivan이 Till에게 품은 마음이 흑심..ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅠ 가사 미쳤음ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅜㅜ 너는 닿지 않아서 나 홀로 상상해 너는 빛이 나고 그 옆엔 내가 있어 네 눈길, 손끝 그곳에서 긴 시간을 너만을 기다려 하,..,ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠㅜ 집착 미쳤어… 그 와중에 영어가사 개에바임 A story of such woe = 그런 비통한 이야기 뭐 배드엔딩이란 소리를 이렇게 절절하게 하세요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ🥺😭 나에겐 너, 닿지않는 너뿐이다.. Ivan이 Till에게 느끼는 감정이 이렇게 질척하고 어두운게 마치 짝사랑을 넘어선 이뤄지지 못할 애절한 감정을 표현하는 것 같아서 심장 아프네요..🥹
just realized this is literally the only “normal” round so far out of the four… round one mizi and sua sang the entire song together, in round two till stole all the lines (and smashes his guitar), and mizi goes missing in round five
Okay whoa, it's finally here! I'm sure other people dissected the video better than me. Still, I would like to mention the overwhelming emotions in Ivan from 2:45 -2:51 . That was SO gorgeous and really proved that Ivan has the control to switch back to apathy, regardless of the circumstance. This makes me a bit worried, though, because his eventual battle against Till could very likely end up with him dying for Till because of his strong emotions towards Till and his seemingly smooth "switch" from emotional to apathetic. Not to mention, he has even more incentive to die in regards to rebellion against the expectations of his supposed abusive "owner." And not to further mention, It's even more heartbreaking when you realize that Ivan has such a deep, unrequited love for Till, conveyed PERFECTLY by the bittersweet/bitter tone. The interpersonal relationships between the characters make me scared for the ending at this point, I just KNOW that I'm gonna cry lol. And hi to that little peek of Luka towards the end
😨 I never considered that Ivan could die as an act of rebellion!!! He could even die to keep his owner from reaping the benefits of winning the competition D: omg
I can't help but think that's exactly why it'll be Ivan that wins the round instead. The only thing worse than sacrificing yourself like that for someone you love, is for it to fail.
I cannot express how much i love the way vivinos represent feelings, it hits really different from a simple "I'm sad", ivan appreciating life and the world he lives in, then realizing how harsh and brutal it is, and that the stars he grew to love were nothing but burning meteors, how everything clicked when till rejected him, till knew how fucked up their world is, so he fights against it, and that made ivan admire him considering ivan never fought against it, he even was ok with dying as we saw, he was like a puppet that played nice, and although not necessarily showing appreciation for being showered with attention, but also didn't protest against it, this is truly a masterpiece as usual vivinos!
이번 스테이지 에일리언 스테이지라는 이름에 걸맞게 진짜 우주같은 연출 너무 극락이에요ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠ!!!! 곡 분위기도 신비롭고 우주같아서 인상깊었고 이반이랑 틸의 이야기가 왜 이렇게 많이 나오나 했더니 이런 갓서사가 있었군요...😢😢😢😢 틸이반은 떡상한다............. 다음 스테이지도 너무 기대됩니다......갓...팀규멩.... + 너에게 난 Black sorrow
헉.... 그러고보니 다음스테이지에 둘이 붙네요 이반은 틸이 미지를 좋아하는 것도 알고 틸이 미지에게 져줄 것도 알아볼 것 같은디.... 이반이 그걸 알면서도 틸과의 대결에서 마냥 이기게만 둘 것 같진 않은 생각이 드네요 차라리 본인이 이기고 대신 죽어줄 것만 같은 느낌 자신의 죽음이 틸에게 오래 각인되게 눈앞에서 죽어가면서 고백하지 않을지.... ((그냥 추측입니다))
The way the singer managed to express the emotions at 2:57 literally made my hairs stand, congratulations to the team for once again blessing us with this masterpiece and giving us hope in these troubling times (´∩｡• ᵕ •｡∩`)
Idk why now, like it's so long ago that this was made, but it was on my instagram feed as a meme "Me to my homie when there's a couple's discount" And it was a reel of Ivan kissing Till. I looked through the comments for the name, and I'm soooo not okay. I have been rewatching and constantly listening to Cure for days now. I need to find someone to talk to about this because I'm obsessed and need to get it out. I'm CRYING reading all of your theories😭
I love how in this round we just attribute shooting stars with Ivan. Because shooting stars are made for wishing and all Ivan wishes is to be with Till which is why every single memory Ivan has as a kid is abt him. I find this adorable.
1:50 이때 "검은 어둠속 붉은빛 모래시계를 돌려 긴 시간을 너와" 라고 하는데 이게 복선인것 같은게 틸이 트라우마(이반)를 생각할때 눈동자가 이반같은 붉은색이였음 따라서 이반은 틸에게 트라우마로 남으면서 계속해서 자기생각을 하게 만들고 영원히 틸과 같이있겠다는 계획을 짜놓은거지 자신이 트라우마로 남고 틸에게 영원히 고통을 줄걸알면서, 하지만 이렇게까지 하지않으면 틸은절대 이반생각은 하지 않을거니까.... ㅎ ㅏ 씨 진짜 준냐 슬프다...ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜㅠ 2:13 이때 "Dark sea(심해)" 말고 다짐으로도 들림... 틸에게 다가가면 갈수록 깊어지는 다짐....ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜ 이반은 이미 다 계획을 해놓은거야... 영원히 긴 시간을 함께있기위해...미친 순애남새키😢ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜㅜㅠ
Spoiler warning!!! (I spoiled ppl so i decided to add this) THIS ISNT ROUND 3, THIS IS ROUND 7!!! IVAN IS ALIVE!!! TRUST!!! Edit: to everyone feeling the need to reply to this to correct me pr tell me that till died, chillax yall 😭. This was commented 6 months ago, literally when round 6 dropped and everyone was grieving so i found it funny to post this comment. I know that this comment didn’t age well lmao. Sorry as well to all those who got spoiled (oct 29, 2024)
This is so unexpected from what I thought his story would gonna be unhinged or obssesive concept due to his character in Vivinos twitter's art, I mean he look like those calm psychopath...but damn his story is more ralateable and touchable. He's just a guy who want to survive with his loved one but got rejected immediately. He is surprisingly emotional... Now I feel bad for all of them😭 good job Vivi😔
the best song in the world nothing will outdo thank you please make more songs with his voice i have been blessed with this life time because i exist in the same time as black sorrow
So from this, we can definitely say that the girls and Till rebelled. In the first video, the girls sang together to try and get the same score and live while Till stole the show. It seems like Ivan is more passive and he knows he's going to win, so he plays by the rules.
So far, we can tell that Ivan loves the stars, and I think that was made clear in the teaser I suppose. Ivan most prolly likes Till bc of Till's rebellious nature and his curious mind, and I think that's bc Ivan never really had that chance....he never had that chance to rebel due to the way he was treated by the aliens. In Ivan's video, we do learn more about the nature of the aliens and other "members." I think in the part where Ivan and Till run away, Till's infatuation with Mizi stopped him from running away, (I also believe that the meteor shower was supposed to be a distraction).
Okay I gotta comment too- I’ve been rewatching it so many times. The amount of emotions there is in the voices of each singer is incredible. It rips my heart open when Ivan sings the last part of the song, basically screaming “Black Sorrow”. The same goes for Round 6 where Till’s voice has this shake in it the whole time. I’m really on my knees, jaw on the floor as I listen to these. 🧎♂️
I love the added touch of the "you win" at the end. It feels mocking, because he may have one the match, but he hasn't won in love. Truly a masterpiece.
everything from the design of ivan is really amazing like you can see how his despair turns to astonishment upon seeing the night sky in the outer galaxy which gradually turns to hope and while being with till as well, i just love this and hope some miracle happen in their showdown and no one dies even tho i know that's just wishful thinking
2:37 Till looks apologetic, but when Ivan turns around, Till has already left. Ivan didn't see Till's face. It just seems to Ivan that he has left. How painful and sad……!!!!!!!
*엄청 길어져 버린 뇌피셜 가사와 그림 해석* (수정끝) 0:29 질척한 어둠 웅크린 모습 고개를 저어도 늘 같은 자리에 :어둠=이반 , 벗어날 수 없음을 보여준다 0:42 닿지 않는 너, 나 홀로 상상해 :죽을 위기해 처했을 때 이반 눈 앞에 보이는 건 우주와 유성(별똥별) 괴롭고 무서운 상황이지만 세상이자 하늘은 매우 아름답다는 모습을 보여준다 또한 어쩌면 자유 혹은 이 곳을 벗어나고 싶다는 갈망의 의미로 생각된다 0:49 빛이 나는 너, 옆에 선 나 :가사 의미상 빛이 나는 너=틸 , 옆에 선 나=이반 이라고 부르는 것 같다 0:56 So black, black as it can be :다른 친구들과 목이 졸리고 있는 이반이 보임 1:03 다가가면 갈수록 깊어지는 dark sea :이반의 눈가엔 눈물이 맺혀있고 우주 혹은 유성(별똥별)을 바라보며 갈망하고 있는 것 같은 모습을 보인다 1:08 Like a black, black sorrow (어둠처럼, 깊은 슬픔) :이반의 시야가 점점 가려지며 가사 의미상 어둡고 깊은 슬픔의 감정을 느끼고 있어 보인다 또한 어두운 곳에선 붉은 동공이 잘 보이며 빛이 비춰지면 붉은 동공이 잘 안 보인다는 점을 알 수 있다 1:11 A story of such woe (비애 혹은 비통한 이야기) :노예시장처럼 사고 팔리며 이반은 감정이 메마른 모습과 누구와도 어울리지 않는 모습을 보인다 또한 이반은 팔려간 뒤로 순종적이게 행동했거나 주인이 아이를 돌보듯 길렀을 것이라 추측된다 (1:51 틸과 미지의 목을 보면 모두 목걸이가 걸려있는데 오직 이반만 걸려있지 않는 모습을 보여주기 때문) 1:28 이 이야기의 끝에는 피로 물든 시린 자리와 텅빈 공기뿐 :틸이 붉은 화관을 쫓는 모습을 보이고 이반은 틸을 따라간다 미지 장치 해제 상태 2:33 Such black, black sorrow (이런 어둠, 깊은 슬픔) 그리고 너 :Like a black, black sorrow (어둠처럼, 깊은 슬픔) 가 아닌 Such를 사용하여 더 이상 어둠처럼이 아닌 어둠이라는 것을 칭한다 자유를 만끽하며 이반을 따라갈 줄 알았으나 틸은 이반의 손을 놓아버리고 이반을 잠시 응시하다가 돌아가버린다 머뭇거렸던 틸의 모습을 봐선 '미지를 버리고 갈 순 없었기 때문일 것이다' 틸은 참가자들 중 가장 예민하며 겁이 많은 것 뿐만이 아닌 미지에 관해서는 조금 맛이 간다는 공식 설정이 있었고 틸이 미지를 사랑하지 않았다면 스스로 다시 그 지옥으로 돌아갈 이유는 없을 것임으로 미지를 향한 마음 때문에 다시 그 곳으로 돌아간 것으로 보인다 (1:27와 같이 미지미지수아 향하여 있는 것으로 보임 *미지,틸, 마지막에 잠깐 나온 루카까지 목걸이를 차고 있으나 "이반은 목걸이를 찬 모습을 보여준 적이 없다" 위에서도 말했다시피 주인이 아끼는 아이 혹은 순종적인 모습을 보였기 때문이라고 추측한다 *처음엔 이반이 틸을 좋아하는 걸까 라고 생각했지만 미지와 틸의 Round2에서 보여준 짝사랑의 모습은 아니였고 내가 보기엔 사랑보단 그 이상의 존재인 것 같다 이반에겐 틸은 닿을 수 없는 존재이자 닿고 싶어서 갈망하는 존재로 보인다 또한 가사만 보았을 때도 이반은 틸과 함께하고 싶어하며 언제나 닿을 수 없는 존재로 칭하고 있다 *무대(영상) 최초 공개되기 전 VIVINOS 커뮤니티에 " (10PM) 강연자 중 한명이 무대 참가를 거부하는 사태가 발생하였느니 조금 더 기다려주시기 바랍니다" 라는 사진이 올라옴-> 루카 혹은 대결 상대라고 추측
I literally feel like crying because the lyrics of the song and just the way he sings them with so much- idk the right words for it, sentiment? Passion? Pain? And i could write whole paragraphs about his expressions, specially the one where he watches till go back... Watching alien stage for the first time, i can already say Ivan is my fav character
@@floorvandenberg8917 no way, im terrible at explaining bc i have so many emotions and thoughts to convey but i always struggle to find the right words for them :( still, ty
![BIRTHDAY | Ivan/till [Alien Stage fan-animatic]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fo5gMQlMeXY/mqdefault.jpg)
안녕하세요 😆
에일리언 스테이지 Round 3 이반의 목소리 병훈입니다!
에일리언 스테이지 프로젝트에 참여하게 되어 영광입니다.
멋진 작품 속 이반을 만나게 해주신 비비노스님
'Black Sorrow' 만들어주신 최용수님
그리고 좋은 기회를 주신 스튜디오 리코
비롯한 모든 관계자분께 진심으로 감사합니다. 💗
저도 팬으로서 남은 에일리언 스테이지를 응원하겠습니다.
언제나 나에겐 너 Black Sorrow...☆
좋은 음악 내주셔서 감사합니다 ㅜㅜ! 목소리 너무 좋아요
목소리 짱...
초면에 실례지만 사랑해도 되나요?
와 진짜 미쳤어요 .. 진짜 최고의 목소리 .. 가창력 .. 무대를 뒤집어놓으셨네
진짜 듣다가 고막이 녹았어요
alien stage lore so far is literally just "i love this boy who loves that girl whos in love with that other girl"
Perfect summary
New song just dropped, I need an update
@@tiredasexual_8334" And the girl that the person i like likes went missing"
@@AL_LWN and then the girl who he liked also went missing
“Also we are all enslaved by aliens”
Ivan's face when he watches Till running back to their captors is so heartbreaking. Like he expected this from Till, and worse yet, he knows he himself will run after him. Adoration and frustration culminating in a sad, resigned longing.
Beautiful analysis! Helped me fully process Ivan’s bitter smile 2:46
This. Haven't seen it better worded yet. That heartbreaking expression is still stuck in my head.....
fav moment
*proceeds to sob*
this lore is literally tearing me apart 😭
whenever i get reminded of the fact that ivan is the only person no one in alienstage will die for, my lifespan shortens
not nice.
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I would die for him
its 10th floor nice for u
Running back here after Final round because I miss Ivan
their deaths hit me like a damn truck
same here lol
Same😭😭 I miss him so much
This song has been stuck in my head for 2 days now
oh
aw man... just realized that one of the ways the alien oppressors kept control over their human pet contestants was to have them form genuine bonds and friendships in childhood so that they would be reluctant to escape without them... because it's easier to escape on your own VS the much more impossible task of saving your friends. Such an effective but insidious method of control..
NOOOO THATS CRUEL 😭😭😭😭
:00 wait omg that makes sense :((( they know humans are sentient and capable of forming emotional bonds, they’re just cruel and don’t care
I also realized the moment at 1:11 looks almost like an auction…😮
They also likely realize that strong human connection can also provide better songs and better entertainment...
So true
that scene when ivan was smiling and crying at the same time literally says: "i know that you will never choose me"
I read a lot of other comments but Your comment hurt me so bad 😭
@@Boomrang5 right 😭😭😭
Look out your window tonight 👿
😢
You're not safe, sleep with one eye open.
(How dare you 💔)
2:46 In that moment, when Ivan saw Til running back to their alien captors, all because he couldn’t leave Mizi behind, all because he chose Mizi over him and _freedom_ itself, his face looks like he’s thinking, “Yeah. You would do that.” Because that kind of tenacity and stubborn devotion despite all the odds stacked against Til is why he fell in love with the boy. It just hurts because it will never be for him.
true
IKR gosh i love Ivan so much. i've only known him for 1 hour but I love him why is this lore so cruel (i love it)
It wouldn't be better if till left mizi behind as well
THAT'S SO TRUE
But also Mizi loved the girl from her video so she’d never love Til either which also hurts. I just want all of them to be happy but unfortunately that won’t be the case T3T
I think this round might be my favorite one from the whole series. Ivan's pain, the lyrics, the animation, colours, instruments and just everything. The singer did an amazing job at portraying Ivan's emotions so well. This actually hurts to listen to, yet I can't stop because it's so good
I love how this video actually confirms a previous theory! During this song, Ivan allows another person to sing, meaning the whole time the songs are meant to be sung by sections by each person. This means the white hair dude (2nd video) took up all the song time. Whilst the 2 girls sung their song together as a duet to try and trick the system into getting the same score (and failed), which makes me wanna cry more :((
Oh yeah, I never noticed that (the duet thing). Now it's even more sad now :')
how dare you just call till “white haired guy” >:(
but yeah, great theory! i totally agree
@@phoeberrie no one calls till "white hair guy 👿
@@phoeberrie I mean... I know they have a name, but they also have white hair 👀/hj
HIS NAME IS TILL
NOT WHITW HAIRED DUDE
U FAKE ASS FAN🤬🤬/j
but anyway yas i agree
Coming back here after round 6 is just so devastating because with each line Black Sorrow seems more and more like Cure… literally each word perfectly captures Ivan’s unreciprocated love for Till… :( and the fact that Till actually wears BLACK in round 6 is like another punch in the gut… 😭
I don’t understand why they are singing
@@SaeahJeje this series is called alien stage where basically aliens keep humans as their "pets" and they have these competition where two humans sing against each other and the loser is killed
Ofc there is a lore so you should watch it in order to understand more
Idk if this will help but yeah
@@marya5077 okay😨 but is he dead ? For real
@@SaeahJeje we think so yea
Also the fact that like... He sounds like he's already planning to die. He's literally hanging on for Till, but knows it's either going to end with him dying to save Till if he is pitted against him, or dying in grief because Till lost to someone else. The minute Till turned back in that field of meteors, Ivan was on borrowed time.
watching this after round 6 is a new kind of pain
REAL 💔💔💔💔💔
Я похоже стала мазохисткой после этого, но я не могу прекратить пересматривать выступления Ивана 😢
Oh my ivan!!!!!!!!😢
@dzeshiko same 🙂
Fr 💔💔
The face he made when Till turned back without sparing him a glance is so heartbreaking
tbh i didnt expect myself to be this attached to ivan. When he was first introduced in the alien stage trailer i thought that he's the smooth and manipulative type of character. But looking at his round i somehow find him quite relatable. He might seems quite apathetic but he's actually just bottling up his feelings, his love and admiration for till, and his sorrow...
this exactly. this is also why i kinda hope he doesn't become smooth/manipulative during the stage with till the way some people are theorizing in the comments. i think it would be more heartbreaking and more accurate to what we can glean of him from this video to not want to battle till.
Yes, I also had the first impression that he was some sort of antagonist. But on the contrary, he seems to be the most talented and smart. His poker face is more of a survival skill than anything.
@@SCP-2295 Yeah, my prediction is that he'll let Till win and take the way out voluntarily.
Yeah really didn't expect the smooth manipulative one to be Lukas in the 5th round
@@thera2040 FR!! My world was flipped upside down when I realized I got Luka and Ivan's personalities switched up
The fact Ivan is the most sane person so far is driving me crazy
but yea he's not in denial at least
Fr
how do you guys know their names? 😭
@@natlee36their names show up on the board when the song starts + their twitter has the names when they're drawn
@@natlee36 usually the people who voice act them say their names
I absolutely LOVE 2:47 where it looks like Ivan accidentally let his actual emotions slip into his singing, and he immediately tries to compose himself. The sorrow in his face turning to frustration, then finally to his usual cool apathetic expression. That's sooo gorgeous
Ngl this might just be the most beautiful piece of animation I've ever seen. Not even kyoani has made me feel a character's emotion from their expressions as well as this...vivinos and qmeng are truly masters at their craft
Fuck. That is such a good observation thank you for making me cry harder 👍
Wow, thanks for pointing that out. That looked fuckin painful and indeed _sorrowful_
He deserves better
probably my favorite part !!!
이반 너무 불쌍함 자기 몸 희생해서 지켜냈는데 정작 틸에게는 트라우마 그 이상도 이하도 아닌 거잖아.. 마지막에는 미지만을 바라보며 죽었다고
ㄹㅇ 너무 슬픔....진짜 암담한 슬픔이다. 이반은 왜 이렇게 슬픈 사랑을 하는거야.감정선 ㄹㅇ 미쳤는데 이 영상만 보면 가슴이 애림
참...이렇게 보니 순애였네
어렸을때 탈출 가능했는데 틸이 돌아가니까 자기도 따라서 되돌아가고 6라운드에서 자기 포기하고 틸 살려보내고...
슬프다...결국 다 죽었ㅇㅓ🥲
이반 어매로서 존나 슬픔 시발....다들 사랑하고 받았는데 이반은 사랑 받지도 못함
이반 최앤데 ㄹㅇ 정신병걸려서 죽고싶어요...
마지막 틸의 회상 때 나오는 실로폰 소리가 틸의 심장소리를 의미하는 것 같음
이반이 생일선물로 틸에게 실로폰을 선물해줬어서..죽기 전에 이반을 떠올렸다는 의미
Ivan's backstory as I understand it is:
- he was owned by an abusive merchant (the alien who held him over the edge of the roof)
- you can see them auction him off when there's that blue square behind him (you can see the other kids next in line, as well as an alien holding a mic),
-he gets bought and pampered by a rich alien (we see rich alien at 2:12; the hand matches the hand that was on our boy at 1:12, he just doesn't look as big because he's next to other big aliens)
- he gets shown off to the rich alien's other rich friends (he's holding what looks like an award or maybe that's the invitation to join the singing camp/boarding school)
- he was put by rich alien in Anakt Garden, a singing boarding school (which seems to be a required prerequisite to joining the ALIEN STAGE contest. Can't join the contest otherwise)
-Till and Mizi accidentally run towards an exit(?)/forbidden area when they were chasing a flower crown that got blown by the wind--a guard dog alien beats Till up.
- he's amazed as Till FIGHTS BACK against the alien (compared to himself whose always been passive), and probably continued to be amazed by Till's continued rebellion beyond this point.
- inspired by Till, he later tries to escape and run away with him during a meteor shower as his first act of rebellion, but Till presumably doesn't wanna leave Mizi behind and goes back.
- our boy laughs bittersweetly and heads back as well since his inspiration + love + reason for trying to escape in the first place just went back.
shaking sobbing screaming crying
OOO WOW and what if he was inspired by till and thus fought back for the first time (rebelling and letting till free) but it didnt go as planned 😰
Omg I love you for noticing the auction, I completely missed it
Also I would like to point out something at 2:28 when till woke up he saw the screen of Ivan winning and then a flashback
the lyrics went like this:
“Such black, black sorrow
And you, you are always for me
Black sorrow
To me you are
Black sorrow
To me you are
Black sorrow”
=> the entire time during these lines Ivan was pointing at most likely Till.
He also let his emotions slip when it comes to directly confronting Till at 2:47 and then tried to composed himself
your interpretation seems very spot on!
I like how Till's song ends with drums whereas Ivan's starts with them, as if one was meant to be a continuation of the other, like Till's rebellion could only naturally result in Ivan's yearning.
I think the power of this song comes from the bitter-sweet irony of their dynamic. At first, we see that Ivan, despite his situation, still longed for freedom, even if it meant the end of everything, symbolised by the shooting stars that may shine brightly and beautifully while they run through the dark sky, but are still fated to crash in the most destructive way. Yet, his will seemed to disappear slowly as time went by, he became numb, years of use and abuse turned him into a singing puppet traded and paraded by his masters. Until he crossed path with Till, who unapologetically kept his free spirit and fighting will despite the punishments and the risks for his very life (though we can easily guess that his only saving grace is his value as a singer). Ivan could only fall for him, the embodiment of his repressed desires, to the point of trying to save him and run away together. And we can see that both of them seem truly happy, maybe for the first time since a long time, while a rain of meteors crashes around them, the culmination of this freedom they were after, knowing that could cost them their life if they are found out before managing to leave. But then a realisation hits Till, most likely the fact that he can't stand leaving Mizi behind even if it means giving up his only chance of realising his dream of freedom. And Ivan, understanding that the person he saw as his symbol of hope not only loved someone else enough to stay in a place he hated, but also turned out to be a willing prisoner because of the very feelings that gave him the will to fight, can only smile bitterly yet longingly: it didn't change how he felt for Till, and he too found himself unable to run away without him. The tenderness and resignation of his gaze at this moment is such a masterpiece of artistry that every time I watch it my stomach is tied in knots and I have a lump in my throat 😭 In the end the shooting star rain he dreamt about all his life only resulted in a black sorrow for him,and the fact that he knows he will have to compete against Till in the next round makes everything even more heartbreaking
This one is definitely my favourite in the series so far. While "My Clematis" was the last love song of two lovers who wanted to share this final moment and "Unknown - 'til the end" was a declaration of both love and war no matter the consequences, Ivan's song is the pinnacle of everything that makes Alien Stage so fascinating, it's a tale of tragedy, of an unrequited love, an unattainable dream and a fate none of them can fight against. Yet they all give their best, to give a meaning to their performances, to take this chance to express the things they could never express before... I think I'm gonna cry lmao
bro... you made me cry even more 😭 how did I only now realise Ivan, just like Till, also came back to the place he hated to be with the one he can't leave behind? damn...
also I wonder what heartbreaking story the character at the end is going to have 😀
my brain is overheating my soul is on fire WHY IS THIS SO DEPRESSING 😭😭 also that drums analysis at the beginning blew my mind I did not catch that
HOLD ON. TEARS
holy shit I never though about that 🚶🏻♀️\
you made me cry
Here, take my like and tears
its fascinating how all of them are just kind of... unaware of each other. like, in round one, we're only shown the girls and their friendship and how much they mean to one another. in Till's song, all of the memories he's focusing on to sing are about Mizi and i don't think we even see Ivan. which is weird considering Ivan literally broke them both out of whatever prison they were in and tried to *free* them both from captivity. and in Ivan's song, he sees Till and Mizi, but in the beginning, he didn't take an interest in Till until he saw him rebel. Ivan was more or less just going through the motions, resigned to his imprisonment. he only took notice of Mizi at all because Till liked her
it's just so interesting how it appears like they were all raised/imprisoned together but all of their stories hardly intertwine, only focusing on one other person at most despite the fact that there are so many other kids around them
If you take into account the fact that they most likely know from the begining that they will have to fight against each other in a competition where the losers will die, it's quite obvious they either weren't encouraged to form deep relationships or they ended up by themselves avoiding getting too close to people who could potentially become their opponent. That makes the only person they can't help gravitating towards (reciprocally or not) even more so special, I guess
Holy crap this is excellent story board writing
Interesting take, I would argue tho, that each story is beautifully intertwined, instead of them all being separate stories, all characters are connected in some way.
friendship? bruh they loved each other
@@miyajayefigueroa2125 yes true!! i just meant it in the way that you can still have a friendship/be friends with the one you love and the relationship will be beautiful either way
작화중 제일 잘생김..ㅇㅇ 사랑까지 갈망하면서 자신이 사랑하는 사람이 죽지 않기 위해 대신 자신이 죽었지만 당사자에게는 트라우마로밖에 안 남은 이반이 너무 안타깝고 불쌍하면서도 제일 매력적인 캐릭터 아 몰랑 이반 돌아와 ㅡㅡㅡ
Notice that Ivan points to the falling lights when he sings black sorrow. He associates Till with falling stars.
The amount of passion Vivnos manages to put in the eyes of her characters is something I can never get over, you can see their madness, their sorrow, their longing and it makes me absolutely feral since each character is so different
How do you know they're a girl?
@@skootergirl22 She livestreamed a week or so ago and I heard her voice
@@momimelodies oh
@@momimelodiesShe already posted pic of her and her wife in the community tab
@@prokiller4860 oh cool! I always forget community tab exists lol
I can already tell im going to be hearing the most toe curling melody known to man kind
Real
ong
That
@Chad 007 ew
Indeed 😩
1:27 Till was chasing the flower Head band Mizi gave to Sua or Sua gave to Mizi (I dont remember), he is chasing it just cuz its somehow related to Mizi. GAWWD IM CRYING
It's honestly interesting how each song is usually for someone
Till's song is for Mizi
And now this song is for Till
And Mizi and Sua’s song was for each other.
@@_meriessa mizu y zua eran novias? O hermanas??
@@e-hn8br creo q eran amigas pero parece que estaban enamoradas
@@e-hn8br o amigas?? tambien quiero saberr
@@canelitaa5337 hace poco me di cuenta que VIVINOS era mujer y que es lesbiana por una foto en su canal. Creo que es por eso que todas sus series son Yuri.
if we dont go past this stage, Ivan is still alive.
Love your positivity 😭
@@idunnowhatcontent7385 I will hold onto hope that ivan is still alive
@@NamikohoshiThe first thing I thought after Ivan was shot was "I know he's still alive". Call it a hunch or denial, but I choose to belive (ಥ╭╮ಥ)
@@Jac_mx03 he can survive a bullet QwQ I believe he's still alive. Cause ain't no way the favorite one will let him die when they can still make a lot of money from him 😭😭
@@Jac_mx03 I'm hoping he's still alive because he is a favorite of the aliens, I'm sure they paid to make sure he lives. Someone mentioned Ivan was the favorite because if you notice when they were kids, only Ivan had no collar. Even growing up, Till had it except him. (at the bar). The aliens that adopted him might just discipline him 🥲🥲 *me on copium*
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at 2:28, Till only just wakes up from being retrained after round 2. He missed the majority of the song and Ivan's feelings, and I think Ivan might have known that it would be this way. He was watching Till at the end of round 2 as he passed out. Till probably still doesn't understand... ouch
Fr it’s so sad, at least Mizi kind of acknowledged Till’s song (reacted to the guitar smashing) but till was just 😴 for all of Ivan’s 😭
@@halcyon.x man just got beat up, give him a break 😂
@Noelle he’s so silly 😂
@@halcyon.x im over here taking
a nap rm i got pillows
under my head rn
sleeping so soundly , im
sleepy as fuck man im
a snoozer man
he was probably like mimimiing and shi
00:18 gossshh i love that intro so much
Same it’s so beautiful 😍
@@moonofficial8173yes so BEAUTIFUL bruh its only 4 minutes n it tells a more emotional story than some stuff ive seen arghhhhhh bruh when he got shot in the later round i SCREAMED
@@alynce88 YES I JUST WANT MORE LONGER THAT INTRO SO BEAUTIFULL
@@moonofficial8173Especially the instrumental at the end of the song, VERY MAJESTIC😫
미친 거 아니냐 진짜,,,,반항하는 틸을 순응하며 살던 삶 속에 제일 빛났던 유성우와 겹쳐보며 사랑에 빠지고 우연히 찾았던 탈출구를 통해 틸과 함께 빠져나가려했지만 틸은 자신의 사랑이었던 미지 때문에 함께 하지 못했고 그 뒷모습을 바라보며 씁쓸히 웃으면서도 틸을 사랑하여 그를 버리고 갈 수 없어 남아 저 스테이지에서 노래를 부른다는게 진짜,,,,,저 작은 세계의 아이들의 사랑을 보여주는 것 같아서 마음이,,,,찢어지고,,,걍 행복해졌음 좋겠ㄷㅏ,,,,,,내가 외계인들 그까이꺼 다 없애줄게 아가들아ㅜㅠ
@user-ns3ko8rl3b 헐 댓글 보고 진심 소름 돋았어요..
@밥풀 ㅁㅊ;
그래도 외계인처럼 진사람은 가차없이 죽이는거에 동의하지는ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅠ
@밥풀-v9n 최종적으로 루카가 이긴 이유는 조회수 1위라서인가..예측해봄
@@동그라미-x2b미친…미친…………………이게ㄹㅇ이면개소름임
What I find interesting with this video is that we see more about the format of the Alien Stage competition. At 1:35, Ivan has to wait until his opponent is done singing for himself to start, so the competition is probably set so that each person gets their own spotlight singing before the voting is done. This is intresting because if this is the case, then both Mizi and Til technically broke the rules of the Alien Stage competition. Mizi singing at the same time as Sua (not taking separate turns), and Til not giving his opponent a chance to sing at all.
it confirms everyone's speculation from the last two videos! Mizi and Sua wanted to win together and break the system somehow, so they sang in duo. which is why Mizi was so shocked when Sua died; she wasnt expecting to be the sole winner. and Till didn't let his opponent sing, not just because Til sang the whole thing, but because he wasnt singing the song that they were supposed to sing, so his opponent didnt know how to join in
I was wondering why Til's song was only 2 minutes long. That was cause he literally only sang half his song before killing his opponent. That also explained why his opponent was surprised when he walked forward first, cause he was supposed to sing second but he's not allowing any chances from the beginning. What a nice attention to detail
@@dandanthedandan7558 i think it was confirmed that rather than killing his opponent himself (altho since he won the other dude probably got killed regardless) the guitar was another ailen hence the guts and blood - imo tils goal was probably just to get the other dude to shut up so he wouldnt have the chance to start singing
@@gaarakag Oh the other guy got disqualified on a technicality because he didn't sing when he was supposed to?
@@dandanthedandan7558 not sure on that part bc people haven't mentioned what happened with him in the aftermath n I don't have access to the extra material-
이렇게 좋은 퀄리티의 작품들을 무료로 본다는게 죄송스러워서 조금이라도..ㅠㅠ
DANG BRO
3:08 His blank stare
Ivan, thus far, is not only the guy who got the highest points, overhelming the rival, but also didnt play any trick like trying to sing a due nor ... smashing the rival head haha.
I don't think Till has smashed his opponent head
He has just smashed(and killed) his Alien guitar named Freddy.
The only trick was that he didn't let his opponent sing.
For me, He probably killed Freddy to end the round and that would explain why his music is shorter than the others round.
(Sorry for my poor English)
@@hiromibkn2863 That's a perfect explanation. Your english was good to me. I am not a native either
IT’S YOU
@@halcyon.x u wot m8?
Pure talent. He won fair & square! Yet, he does not seem happy...
제 뇌피셜로 한번 영상을 해석해보았습니다...
1:11 이반도 처음에는 반항이 심했습니다 틸처럼 목걸이를 찬채로 생활했어요
0:57 하지만 외계인에게 협박을 당한 이후로 얌전히 지내게 되었죠 (1:07 그림자 안쪽으로 들어옴=떨어지지는 않음)
아마 뒤에 다른 아이들이 많은 걸로 봐서는 재능있는 아이들을 이용해서 돈을 버는 외계인 같습니다 (눈동자에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출1)
1:12 살기 위해 이반은 반항하지 않고 노래도 열심히 연습해 많은 외계인들에게 후원을 받게 되었습니다
1:14 다른 아이들보다 일찍 현실을 자각한 이반은 순수함을 잃었고 다른 아이들과 잘 어울리지도 못했습니다
1:22 틸과의 첫 만남인 것 같네요 틸은 날라간 화관을 줍기 위해 우연히 홀로그램으로 가려진 공간에 가게 되었고 이반은 틸을 막기 위해 따라나섰습니다 (미지가 같이 온걸로 보아 화관은 아마도 미지의 것, 수아가 준 화관이니 안따라올 수가 없음)
1:38 틸과 미지는 화관을 주우러 가다 괴물을 맞닥뜨립니다 목걸이를 찬걸로 보아 괴물도 외계인이 기르는 것 같네요
1:57 틸은 미지를 위해 괴물과 맞서 싸웁니다 이반의 반응으로 봐서 이 사건을 계기로 이반이 틸을 동경하게 된 것 같아요 (눈에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출2)
2:19 틸이 벌인 일로 인해 학대는 더 심해졌고 이후로 틸은 감금되어 밖에 나가지 못하게 되었습니다 외계인들에게 예쁨 받는 이반은 비교적 이동이 자유로워 틸을 꺼내주어 같이 탈출 시도를 합니다
2:24 틸의 눈동자가 이반처럼 변했네요
2:30 기절했다가 깬 틸이 클로즈업 되며 현재 시점에서는 원래 눈동자로 돌아왔음을 보여줍니다 (= 결국 탈출하지 않았다)
2:34 틸은 이반의 손을 놓고 잠깐 고민하는 듯 하더니 탈출을 포기합니다 제 생각으로는 미지가 생각났던 모양이네요
이반과 틸의 관계성에 있어서 주목해야할 점은 둘이 각각 바라보는 방향입니다
틸은 항상 왼쪽만 바라보고 이반은 오른쪽에 서있지만 틸이 있는 왼쪽을 바라보죠
이 점을 중심으로 다시 해석해보면
1:16 화관 = 미지(화관이 미지의 것이라는 걸 전제), 화관이 날아가는 방향 = 틸이 향하는 방향 = 왼쪽 = 틸의 미지 사랑 상징 / 이반은 오른쪽을 바라보다가 처음으로 왼쪽을 바라보게 됨=이반이 틸에게 관심이 생김
2:24 틸이 이반과 함께 오른쪽을 향함 = 틸이 이반에게 마음을 염 (와중에 이반의 시선은 틸을 향해 있음, 처음이자 마지막으로 이반과 틸이 서로를 마주보는 장면)
2:36 이반의 시선이 완전히 오른쪽으로 가있던 사이 틸이 걸음을 멈춤
2:41 틸은 결국 왼쪽으로 감 = 이반보다는 미지를 선택 = 자유보다 미지 = 틸의 순애를 보여줌
2:44 이반은 왼쪽으로 완전히 몸을 돌림, 동시에 현재의 이반은 왼쪽을 향해 손을 뻗지만 틸에게 닿지 못함 = 슬픈 짝사랑ㅠㅠ
3:41 후에 틸과 이반이 대결하게 됨을 미리 보여줌 와중에도 틸은 왼쪽 이반은 오른쪽
추가로 별똥별 해석
아마 왼쪽이 꿈, 사랑, 순수 등을 의미하는 것 같고 오른쪽이 잔인한 현실을 의미하는 듯...?
0:39 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 처음엔 이반도 왼쪽에 있었다
0:44 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 죽을 뻔한 위기에서 별똥별을 바라보며 자신의 현실(반항해서 좋을게 없다, 외계인에게 순종해야 살아남는다)을 자각 , 이 일을 계기로 이반은 오른쪽에 속하게 됨
0:54, 1:06 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속했던 과거의 자신 회상하며 슬퍼함 (자세히 보면 울고 있음)
1:15 아이들이 왼쪽으로 향함 - 왼쪽이 순수를 의미한다는 걸 보여주는 장면
1:57 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속한 틸 의미, 그러한 틸을 보며 부러워하는 이반
2:07 ~ 2:16 무대배경의 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 오른쪽에 속한 이반 의미
2:21 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 별똥별은 왼쪽을 향해 있지만 틸과 이반은 오른쪽을 향해 나아가는 모순
하지만 틸이 곧 왼쪽으로 가며 이반도 왼쪽을 바라보게 되고 모순은 바로잡아진다 = 이반과 틸은 함께 오른쪽으로 갈 수 없다
2:54 겉으로는 별똥별이 오른쪽에서 왼쪽을 향하는 것 같겠지만 이반의 뒷모습이기에 정면 관점에서는 별똥별이 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 향하는 것처럼 보임 - 틸처럼 왼쪽에 속하고 싶지만 현실은 오른쪽에 속할 수 밖에 없는 이반
이번 대진표로 인해서 틸과 이반이 붙게 된다는게 반확정이 되어버렸군요ㅠㅠㅠ
둘 다 살아서 행복했으면 좋겠지만 상황을 봐서 이반이 틸을 위해 일부러 져줄 것 같은 건 기분탓이겠지요...
틸은 자신이 결승에서 미지랑 붙어서 자신이 져주고 미지를 살려야겠다는 생각으로 저번영상처럼 필사적으로 우승하려 하는 것 같아요
아고 다 살아남았음 좋겠는데
와 대박 해석…… 댓글들에 있는 해석 다 너무 좋은데 이 해석이 뭔가 더 적중하는듯
해석 잘하시네요! 방향이 떡밥인줄은 몰랐네요...!
2:54 에서 보이는 별똥별이 이반을 뜻하는 게 아니라 쭉 이어지는 걸 보면 틸을 뜻하는 것일 수도 있을 거 같아요! 이반이 손을 뻗고 있는 방향으로 보이는 별똥별이기 때문에 탈출하지 않은 순애의 틸을 의미하는 게 아닐까 생각을 보태봅니당 마침 가사도 나에겐 너 black sorrow이더라구요
쩐..쩐다
The scene at 2:34 makes it seem like Ivan was able to save Till and they were able to escape but Till decided to run back causing Ivan to follow… its so sad you can tell ever since Ivan met Till he’d do anything for him but Till isn’t as enamored as he is since his heart lies elsewhere. Ivans facial expressions are also very sad you can tell how much emotion he has bottled up when it comes to Till. Everything is so bittersweet 😭
People might be like what if Ivan dies for Till but what if its the other way around, Ivan has become so obsessed with not being able to control him and have him so he ends up taking Tills life into his own hands since he feels he can gain a sense of control and longing over Till… their characters are so chiefs kiss…. They should also kiss
YOU'RE SO RIGHT
yeah but like.... then Till vs Mizi wouldn't happen
😏
Till×Ivan 😢😢😢
@@icac0103 I agree but part of me feels like till vs mizi is very predictable … i like the thought of ivan vs mizi since they both have lost the person they love the most i think they will hold the other more as the source of their sadness and even tho it was not the other person fault still place this blame since they have no other outlit but to kill the other… idk in the end what happens im sure will be super interesting
日本人が少なくずっとコメントを書くのを躊躇していましたが、イヴァンが今までしてきた努力や経験などを思うと本当にイヴァンという人物は魅力的であるというのを一人でも多く気づいて欲しいと心から思っています。
最後の叫ぶように歌っているところが特に彼のいつもの姿とギャップがあり好きです。
幸せになって欲しかった
For real
Rip Ivan you would’ve loved Yuri on Ice
lLMAOAOAOOAOA
LOL FR
HELP
HELPP NO WAY
And the canceled yuri on ice
i like how ivan seeing till run back after they escape directly parallels their first meeting, where ivan follows till from curiosity and inevitably later on as he follows from his newfound love and attachment towards him. like he's forever destined to follow till, now more than ever as he immediately turns around after noticing till's ran back
the constant flickering from ivan witnessing till fight back and thinking back to the meteor shower, is honestly so nicely done. ivan's constant focus on the meteor shower symbolizes his yearning for freedom, and alike the desire for the meteors is his infatuation with till. unfortunately, even if he did escape, ivan would've had no means of surviving in that world as a kid against aliens, ultimately his yearning fot freedom is simply an unlikely dream just like how his desire for till is too - seeing till run back presumably because he couldn't leave mizi (pink hair girl) made him realize that. he yearns for till like he yearns for meteors/freedom, these are two things he knows he cannot have.
Wow this was such a great way to break down these concepts!
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Do u break hearts for a living⁉️⁉️⁉️😭😭😭😭😭😭
Now Till has followed Ivan in the afterlife.
I think the shooting stars show up as imagery to symbolize ivan realizing how beautiful and special life is/when he feels alive (when he nearly dies (0:34), when he sees Till for the first time fighting (1:53 - 2:03 ) vs when he's showed in adoration and rewards but feels nothing (1:11 - 1:15)) but when Till pulls away from him, we see shooting stars for what they really are. Burning hunks of rock that rain destruction down upon where they hit. And maybe that shift in visuals is meant to represent Ivan realizing the brutality of the life he's stuck in and feeling sorrow (when Till rejects him) compared to the apathy he usually feels for everything. And maybe the shooting stars represent him as a whole. From a distance, they are cool, otherworldly and beautiful, but in truth they are fire-ensconced destruction just like how Ivan looks so serene and alien from the outside but he's really burning up inside and for Till
EDIT: okay subtitles are on now so I have additions. I guess from the lyrics, Ivan sees himself as the inky darkness and Till as the shining light and that Till's brightness and liveliness further highlights how empty Ivan is, especially since Ivan cannot reach out to him (0:50-1:00). Ivan is aware that he and Till can never have a happy ending, that there is NO happy ending for this story. So alternative interpretation: the meteor showers represent Till to Ivan. Till is the shiny light in in the darkness of Ivan's existence. The more Ivan sees Till, the greater the emptiness of Ivan's life deepens in contrast.
Furthermore--going with the Till is the meteor shower theory--that's why there can be no happy ending, why there is only "a cold spot stained in blood", because while meteors are beautiful while they burn, they eventually burn out. Till cannot burn forever; he is fated to burn out into a cold husk. His life, his fight, is beautiful and shocking but ephemeral at best. The traits that Ivan loves Till for are the very same traits that will ensure their story's tragic ending. For at that Till makes Ivan feel alive, Ivan seems certain that he will be the only one alive at the end.
also just the fact that Ivan only seems to feel emotion when he faces death is something notable (0:50 over the edge, 1:53-2:01 witnessing the monster dog, 2:08 on the stage singing to live)
I think your theory is pretty good! As much as we can interpret it of course. I think you have an an accurate theory :D
Man Till really went back in that hell hole for Mizi😭
really liked that theory! and that last phrase, man,,,,,
apology video with tears rn
@@nejy44 *we demand it now*
tears in my ivan fan eyes 1:10 this one specific part fills me with such despair
he just stands there, empty, not being treated as a person by the aliens but an object to show off to other people. i love u forever king ivan, even if till couldnt
Who else is back here after round six? 🥲
ME 😭
👋🥺
It wasn't enough that round six happened the way it did but it also happened on my birthday too😢
Me😢
Can't believe you are calling us out
I just realized here 1:04 u can see Ivan crying his expression almost as if he's given up on struggling but is also scared of dying at the same time. Yet, he seems to be encouraged/inspired/empowered by the shooting stars; almost as if thinking "Wow, there's still something so beautiful left in this cruel world". Then, later when he watches Till, u can see him referencing the stars (something so dazzling bring color into his life yet unattainable at the same time just like a shooting star). Ai, my hearts aching so bad..... Especially after Round 6.... (T.T)
THE VISUAL, THE VOCALS, THE LORE IS JUST EVERYTHINGG
🍪🍪
really,
Maybe I'm bias because this is the first video I saw but still for me this round is the best in this series. The lyrics, the voice, the animation, the emotion, all of it is perfect 🥲
2:45 이 슬픔인지 뭔지 모를 표정이 너무 가슴찢어짐…
진짜 슬픈웃음.. 내 마음이 다 아픔..
2:45 슬픈의미로 "넌 내 기대를 져버리지 않는구나 그럴줄 알았어" 라는 표정이라 뭔가 넘 짠하다 이반...
저도 이생각함.. 넌 역시 끝까지 내 예상을 빗나가게 하는구나 같은 표정..
뭔가 "그래, 이래야 틸이지"하면서도 상처 받은 그 표정 ㅠㅠ 저를 오열하게해요😭
real
진짜 넌 그럴줄 알았어 하는 허망한 표정이다 ···. 아 진짜 슬퍼
I adore how he is calm and collected; knowing his value, and patiently awaiting his competitor to finish. It's a perfect juxtaposition to his crush who just decides to kill the competition.
I agree, although I'm pretty sure that Till didn't kill his opponent- his guitar was apparently some form of alien life itself so the imagery was literal and not metaphorical there haha
@@Zovei But is canon that every loser dies, that's why Sua was shoot.
@@Rivera_Olga oh yeah his opponent definitely died, I’m just saying he personally didn’t kill him with the guitar
Coming back to this after round 7, broken
Notice how Ivan sees Till like the 'stars,' he adores him so much yet his feelings are basically a shadow, "you can't reach a star so you can only observe from afar" 1:58 lol im feeling poetic today
And then the line from Clematis: “The Galactic Star dust in your eyes spreads out.” Which we see in Ivan’s eyes but yeah, the association of stars with Till…reflected in his eyes. Brings to mind a line from one of Pink Bitch Club that’s something like “see the love reflected there” 😢
The falling stars we get in this one and then the rain in round 6…kill me.
your making me cry
Clematis: Two lovers professing their love (and in the last verse) mourning that they can’t be together forever
Unknown ‘Till the end: A profession of love and a will to fight no matter what. To have his voice heard. (Ironically unnoticed by the only person it was meant for)
Black Sorrow: Resigned pain knowing what could’ve been vs what is reality. The understanding that he wants the unattainable. (Till’s affection & freedom)
I love how all the songs tie closely to love and wants but are all different perspectives and emotions. Amazing.
holy
Mizi noticed till tho
She still loves sua so I don't think she reciprocates Till's feelings
@@noe4354It means that mizi I wasn't paying attention to till's song until he broke the guitar
@littleblueclovers
Well said. Couldn't have worded it better.
2:46 진심 이반의 감정이 나한테까지 ㅈㄴ생생하게전달되는거가틈… 무대에서 노래부르는 이반이의 표정도 한순간 벅차올랐다가 다시 차갑게 가라앉는거 날 정말 죽고싶게함 마스터피스입니다…
Ivan is so precious. He deserves more love and attention
얘네 둘이 다음 스테이지에서 붙어야 한다는게 너무... 내 마음을 갈기갈기 쫙쫙 조각조각 북북 찢어놓는다.... 내가 대신 서고싶다.... 나 ㄹㅇ 노래 개못하는데 그 누가 오든 져줄 자신 있는데.... 제발... 이채널에 꿈과 희망 가득한 엔딩은 대체 언제 나오는건가요.....
ㅋㅋㅋ 누가보면 사회 동등한줄 져주긴무슨 맨날 처음부터 무지한 호구 아니여도 쫄아서 호구 되가 누구입맛대로 고분고분 이래도 당하고 저래도 죽임당하고 맨날 밟히는게 뭐 좋은말로 양보지 그뿐만이면 다행이게 서열에 안들고 평생 딱까리만 오지게 함 동성정상 이성 비정상 비혼레즈가 대세 맞다 게이즈도 이건 딴소리지만 나도 사회 법단어 누구입맛 차별에 경쟁사회에 코피노로 사회경쟁자떨구고싶고 여유있을때 애랑 노예거저얻고싶음 여성은 사내여 남자는 자집남 어데 자집따위가 노래로 돈을 벌려고 하나 시집이나 가서 필수로 난자받아 애나낳고 집안일뒷바라지나 해야지 리스크있는 능력을 공짜로 노오력해서 애거저 못줄꺼면 자집끼리 자집답게 뽀뽀사랑 시집이나 가 경쟁사회에 서열에 들 생각은 안하고 ㅂㄱㄴ ㅂㄱ쥐똥+ ㄱㅇㅈ 성ㅂ걸리고 또 낳다 ㅂㄱ되고 죽고 무사히낳아도 건강망치고 평생가성비공짜 애거저주고 딱까리나 쳐하고 있는데
게이즈 ㄷㄱ서로 ㅈㄱㄴㅂㄱㄴ사랑 파멸에 헛소리 말고 자기 자신이나 사랑하삼
여자는 특히 힘! 그리고 능력!
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ큐ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 눈물나요🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
어라? 여기서 또보네요
저도 차라리 제가 나와서 져주고 싶어요...
This song just became even more heartbreaking.
Till truly was his black sorrow until the end.
"이 이야기의 끝에는 피로 물든 시린 자리와 텅빈 공기뿐"
ㅅㅂ ㅠㅠ
6라운드 보고 오니 가사가 음.......네........
7라운드 보고 오니깐 진짜........ㅋㅋ
@@초감 하하하하... 이반이 너무 불쌍해 죽겠어요...😢
@@초감 jot같음... 하 이반 이 불쌍한 게이야
Bro
I didn't like the first two rounds that much (personal preference) but this...this hit me IMMEDIATELY. The vibe, the wide camera shots, the music, the dark melancholy...it's just my thing.
same! even now this is still my favorite
2:46 무대 위 노래하는 이반의 표정도 감정에 벅차올랐다가 차갑게 가라앉는… 넘좋아요ㅠㅠ
와 .. 숨 쉴 구간을 안 주시네 처음 본 별똥별에 받은 감명을 틸을 보고 다시금 느끼는 게 소름 돋았는데 틸과 멀어지자 그것이 불덩어리가 되는게 이반의 주체성을 표현한 것 같아요 .. 그리고 틸에 대한 갈망이 표정에서 잘 표현돼서 입벌리고 있었는데 이렇게 바로 다음 스테이지 아이가 나오다니 ;; 저 미쳐버려요
미쳤다.. black sorrow가 직역하면 시커먼 슬픔인데 다른말로 흑심임..ㄷㄷ
Ivan이 바라보는 시선끝에는 Till이 존재하고 Ivan이 Till에게 품은 마음이 흑심..ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅠ
가사 미쳤음ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅜㅜ 너는 닿지 않아서 나 홀로 상상해 너는 빛이 나고 그 옆엔 내가 있어 네 눈길, 손끝 그곳에서 긴 시간을 너만을 기다려
하,..,ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠㅜ 집착 미쳤어… 그 와중에 영어가사 개에바임
A story of such woe = 그런 비통한 이야기
뭐 배드엔딩이란 소리를 이렇게 절절하게 하세요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ🥺😭
나에겐 너, 닿지않는 너뿐이다.. Ivan이 Till에게 느끼는 감정이 이렇게 질척하고 어두운게 마치 짝사랑을 넘어선 이뤄지지 못할 애절한 감정을 표현하는 것 같아서 심장 아프네요..🥹
직역하면 흑심보다는 검은 눈물에 가깝지 않나요?? 의역하면 흑심이 될수야 있긴 하겠지만..
Watching this again after the final round, I'm so glad they all lived in the end! I can now sleep peacefully
I’m such a masochist for keep watching Round 6 and 3 every morning to wake up
Why do you do that to yourself? 😭
you good bro? TT
Same help me they’re even after one another in the playlist😭
Is this a call for help?😭
Same here,i think i'm the only one do that🥲🥲
파워풀했음 좋겠다는 말도 있는데 난 저 침음에 젖는 듯한 잠겨가는 어두운 발성이 좋음... 오히려 더 울부짖는 느낌.... 더 많이 감정 동요하게됨
just realized this is literally the only “normal” round so far out of the four…
round one mizi and sua sang the entire song together, in round two till stole all the lines (and smashes his guitar), and mizi goes missing in round five
There's also the fact that actual violence against to another participant happened
And in round six.... 🥹
@@Bellmellart i'm still in recovery i don't even want to perceive it rn i need at least a month to process it all 😭
2:35 Ivan, I'm so sorry. If only Till remembered the way you tried to escape together. It would've made everyone happy
WHAT?? TELL ME MORE
아무리 봐도 2:48 막 표정이 변하는 부분... 틸을 생각하다가 아차차 무대지 하면서 다시 이성으로 돌아오는 표정 같음 ㅋㅋ..ㅋ
와....ㅁㅊ다
와..이런거 어케 보는거쥐..
Okay whoa, it's finally here!
I'm sure other people dissected the video better than me. Still, I would like to mention the overwhelming emotions in Ivan from 2:45 -2:51 . That was SO gorgeous and really proved that Ivan has the control to switch back to apathy, regardless of the circumstance. This makes me a bit worried, though, because his eventual battle against Till could very likely end up with him dying for Till because of his strong emotions towards Till and his seemingly smooth "switch" from emotional to apathetic. Not to mention, he has even more incentive to die in regards to rebellion against the expectations of his supposed abusive "owner." And not to further mention, It's even more heartbreaking when you realize that Ivan has such a deep, unrequited love for Till, conveyed PERFECTLY by the bittersweet/bitter tone. The interpersonal relationships between the characters make me scared for the ending at this point, I just KNOW that I'm gonna cry lol.
And hi to that little peek of Luka towards the end
😨 I never considered that Ivan could die as an act of rebellion!!! He could even die to keep his owner from reaping the benefits of winning the competition D: omg
I can't help but think that's exactly why it'll be Ivan that wins the round instead. The only thing worse than sacrificing yourself like that for someone you love, is for it to fail.
I’m not ready for when Till and Ivan have to battle, my room is gonna become a pool,😭
U WERE RIGHT 😍😍😍
I cannot express how much i love the way vivinos represent feelings, it hits really different from a simple "I'm sad", ivan appreciating life and the world he lives in, then realizing how harsh and brutal it is, and that the stars he grew to love were nothing but burning meteors, how everything clicked when till rejected him, till knew how fucked up their world is, so he fights against it, and that made ivan admire him considering ivan never fought against it, he even was ok with dying as we saw, he was like a puppet that played nice, and although not necessarily showing appreciation for being showered with attention, but also didn't protest against it, this is truly a masterpiece as usual vivinos!
2:46 3:08 I'm so sorry, Ivan. Till didn't know better. He was just a kid. He will know better in his next life. He promised Mizi
1:04 초부터 이반의 눈에 집중하면 눈물이 보임.. 나는 당연히 죽을 위기인 그 상황에서도 포기하고 있었는줄 알았는데 아니 사실은 조용히 숨죽여서 울먹이고 있었다는게.. 너무 너무 찌통임..
이번 스테이지 에일리언 스테이지라는 이름에 걸맞게 진짜 우주같은 연출 너무 극락이에요ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠ!!!! 곡 분위기도 신비롭고 우주같아서 인상깊었고 이반이랑 틸의 이야기가 왜 이렇게 많이 나오나 했더니 이런 갓서사가 있었군요...😢😢😢😢 틸이반은 떡상한다............. 다음 스테이지도 너무 기대됩니다......갓...팀규멩....
+ 너에게 난 Black sorrow
그니까요 ㅠㅠㅜㅜㅠㅠ 우주분위기 진짜 미쳤어요
그리고 제목이 어두운 비애 혹은 흑심인데 이반의 상황과 너무 잘 맞는 노래 아닌가요 😢ㅠㅜㅜㅜ
헉.... 그러고보니 다음스테이지에 둘이 붙네요
이반은 틸이 미지를 좋아하는 것도 알고 틸이 미지에게 져줄 것도 알아볼 것 같은디....
이반이 그걸 알면서도 틸과의 대결에서 마냥 이기게만 둘 것 같진 않은 생각이 드네요 차라리 본인이 이기고 대신 죽어줄 것만 같은 느낌 자신의 죽음이 틸에게 오래 각인되게 눈앞에서 죽어가면서 고백하지 않을지....
((그냥 추측입니다))
막막한 세상속 유일하게 나선 틸이 반항아였기때문에 이반이 틸을 사랑했는데 틸이 반항할 수 있었던 이유는 미지를 사랑했기때문이라는게 묘하다...
결국 탈출도 성공했지만 수아를 사랑한 미지를 위해 틸은 남고 이반도 남아버리는 줄줄이소세지...
하 좋다 ...
줄줄이소세짘ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅌㅌㅋ
I love Ivan so much. This song is so good, I'm addicted. I can't stop playing this. Please, save him
이반아 밥은 먹고 다니니? 더 늦기 전에 얼른 돌아와라 아직도 너의 자리가 아직 남아있다
하...우리애들 다 털렸어요
우리 멋진 언냐가 루카 뺨다구 한대만 갈겨줬으면 하는 바람만...
"길 시간을 너와" 이 부분을 "틸, 시간을 너와" 라고 들어버려서... 숨 참았다... ... . ... ..... . 갓곡 감사합니다ㅜㅜ
The way the singer managed to express the emotions at 2:57 literally made my hairs stand, congratulations to the team for once again blessing us with this masterpiece and giving us hope in these troubling times (´∩｡• ᵕ •｡∩`)
Lol where
@@jinxan1808 목소리 긁을때요
This is so good. It literally makes you feel emotions you haven't felt in your whole life
저렇게 활짝웃는 틸은 처음이라 뭐랄까.. 이반 시선의 틸은 저렇게 강인하고 사랑스럽구나.. 마지막에 손을 놓고 다시 돌아가는 장면에서도 배신당했다는 감정보다는 그저 슬플뿐이라.. 얼마나 틸을 사랑하는지 느껴짐
It kinda funny that the views increased by 1M after round 6 was released😭😭
were mourning bad 💔
For a good reason 😢
We are not ok
Idk why now, like it's so long ago that this was made, but it was on my instagram feed as a meme "Me to my homie when there's a couple's discount" And it was a reel of Ivan kissing Till. I looked through the comments for the name, and I'm soooo not okay. I have been rewatching and constantly listening to Cure for days now. I need to find someone to talk to about this because I'm obsessed and need to get it out. I'm CRYING reading all of your theories😭
@@thea8772 LMAO
I love how in this round we just attribute shooting stars with Ivan. Because shooting stars are made for wishing and all Ivan wishes is to be with Till which is why every single memory Ivan has as a kid is abt him. I find this adorable.
I never thought about it, it's so cute but also sad 😭
1:50 이때 "검은 어둠속 붉은빛 모래시계를 돌려 긴 시간을 너와" 라고 하는데 이게 복선인것 같은게 틸이 트라우마(이반)를 생각할때 눈동자가 이반같은 붉은색이였음 따라서 이반은 틸에게 트라우마로 남으면서 계속해서 자기생각을 하게 만들고 영원히 틸과 같이있겠다는 계획을 짜놓은거지 자신이 트라우마로 남고 틸에게 영원히 고통을 줄걸알면서, 하지만 이렇게까지 하지않으면 틸은절대 이반생각은 하지 않을거니까.... ㅎ ㅏ 씨 진짜 준냐 슬프다...ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜㅠ
2:13 이때 "Dark sea(심해)" 말고 다짐으로도 들림... 틸에게 다가가면 갈수록 깊어지는 다짐....ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜ 이반은 이미 다 계획을 해놓은거야... 영원히 긴 시간을 함께있기위해...미친 순애남새키😢ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅜㅜㅠ
Spoiler warning!!! (I spoiled ppl so i decided to add this)
THIS ISNT ROUND 3, THIS IS ROUND 7!!! IVAN IS ALIVE!!! TRUST!!!
Edit: to everyone feeling the need to reply to this to correct me pr tell me that till died, chillax yall 😭. This was commented 6 months ago, literally when round 6 dropped and everyone was grieving so i found it funny to post this comment. I know that this comment didn’t age well lmao. Sorry as well to all those who got spoiled (oct 29, 2024)
ohh no wonder!! vivinos should change that mistake in the title hahaha…
TRUST!!!
TRUST!!! 😭
Yeah... Right? 🥲
TRUST
Anyone back here after round 6…?
Me
Me
Me 😢
me
Me...😢😢
This is so unexpected from what I thought his story would gonna be unhinged or obssesive concept due to his character in Vivinos twitter's art, I mean he look like those calm psychopath...but damn his story is more ralateable and touchable. He's just a guy who want to survive with his loved one but got rejected immediately. He is surprisingly emotional...
Now I feel bad for all of them😭 good job Vivi😔
Given the story and Vivinos' writing style, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes unhinged later too
@@orangemint1590 It's a fate that every characters of her has to face LOL
What is their art twitter btw? I can't find it.
@@234Spotmanshe deleted it unfortunately but i think she’s still on instagram
@@234Spotman it's rlly just "vivinos"
the best song in the world nothing will outdo thank you please make more songs with his voice i have been blessed with this life time because i exist in the same time as black sorrow
2:46 여기서부터 이반 표정묘사 너무 좋아서 몇번째 돌려보는중..
다음 라운드에서 저런 서사를 가진 이반틸 만날 생각하니까 벌써부터 눈물이 좍좍,,,
ㅅㅂㅠㅜㅜㅜㅜ
가섬이 좍좍 찢어짐 , ,
ㅆㅂ찌통ㅜㅜ
@ღENFPღ 이분을 받칩니다 😢 이반아 살아남아조.. 우리는 저분의 희생을 잊지말아요 ..!
으아아아아... 둘다 죽으면 안돼!!
So from this, we can definitely say that the girls and Till rebelled. In the first video, the girls sang together to try and get the same score and live while Till stole the show. It seems like Ivan is more passive and he knows he's going to win, so he plays by the rules.
Ivan loved Till so much that he didn't care about himself to the point he obeyed the aliens and kept good connections with them
6라운드 보고 죽고 싶어져서 3라운드 다시 보러 왔습니다...
이 말 뜻을 알고 싶지 않았는데 알아버렸습니다....
ㄹㅇ ㅋㅎㅋㅎㅋ
ㅎㅋㅌ 흫ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
이걸 봐도 6라가 떠올라서 괴롭습니다...
2:46도망가고있을때 틸이 이반 손 놓고 돌아가는거 보고 울듯이 웃는 이반...ㅠㅠㅠㅜㅜㅜ진짜 감정표현 대단하세요ㅠ
So far, we can tell that Ivan loves the stars, and I think that was made clear in the teaser I suppose. Ivan most prolly likes Till bc of Till's rebellious nature and his curious mind, and I think that's bc Ivan never really had that chance....he never had that chance to rebel due to the way he was treated by the aliens. In Ivan's video, we do learn more about the nature of the aliens and other "members." I think in the part where Ivan and Till run away, Till's infatuation with Mizi stopped him from running away, (I also believe that the meteor shower was supposed to be a distraction).
Naurrr, because it's gonna be even more painful to watch when Till and Ivan will have to compete later against each other in the series... 😭😭💔
@@wajihaazhar2158 IKRRR I'M GONNA CRY!!
@@qahiraaaaa HOW DO YOU FEEL
@@wajihaazhar2158 HOW DO YOU FEEL
@@snuuyfl0w4h AUUGHHHH BAWLING MY EYES OUT. THIS CAN’T BE TRUEEE NOOOOOOO 😭💔
Okay I gotta comment too- I’ve been rewatching it so many times. The amount of emotions there is in the voices of each singer is incredible. It rips my heart open when Ivan sings the last part of the song, basically screaming “Black Sorrow”. The same goes for Round 6 where Till’s voice has this shake in it the whole time. I’m really on my knees, jaw on the floor as I listen to these. 🧎♂️
I love the added touch of the "you win" at the end. It feels mocking, because he may have one the match, but he hasn't won in love.
Truly a masterpiece.
everything from the design of ivan is really amazing like you can see how his despair turns to astonishment upon seeing the night sky in the outer galaxy which gradually turns to hope and while being with till as well, i just love this and hope some miracle happen in their showdown and no one dies even tho i know that's just wishful thinking
(Cried*) 😭
truly one of the alien stages ever made. emotion this made me feel is insane
Truly one of the greatest alien stages of all time, these just keep getting better I swear
Coming back to this after Round 7 made me cry I cant
2:37
Till looks apologetic, but when Ivan turns around, Till has already left. Ivan didn't see Till's face. It just seems to Ivan that he has left. How painful and sad……!!!!!!!
*엄청 길어져 버린 뇌피셜 가사와 그림 해석* (수정끝)
0:29
질척한 어둠 웅크린 모습 고개를 저어도 늘 같은 자리에
:어둠=이반 , 벗어날 수 없음을 보여준다
0:42
닿지 않는 너, 나 홀로 상상해
:죽을 위기해 처했을 때 이반 눈 앞에 보이는 건 우주와 유성(별똥별) 괴롭고 무서운 상황이지만 세상이자 하늘은 매우 아름답다는 모습을 보여준다 또한 어쩌면 자유 혹은 이 곳을 벗어나고 싶다는 갈망의 의미로 생각된다
0:49
빛이 나는 너, 옆에 선 나
:가사 의미상 빛이 나는 너=틸 , 옆에 선 나=이반 이라고 부르는 것 같다
0:56
So black, black as it can be
:다른 친구들과 목이 졸리고 있는 이반이 보임
1:03
다가가면 갈수록 깊어지는 dark sea
:이반의 눈가엔 눈물이 맺혀있고 우주 혹은 유성(별똥별)을 바라보며 갈망하고 있는 것 같은 모습을 보인다
1:08
Like a black, black sorrow (어둠처럼, 깊은 슬픔)
:이반의 시야가 점점 가려지며 가사 의미상 어둡고 깊은 슬픔의 감정을 느끼고 있어 보인다 또한 어두운 곳에선 붉은 동공이 잘 보이며 빛이 비춰지면 붉은 동공이 잘 안 보인다는 점을 알 수 있다
1:11
A story of such woe (비애 혹은 비통한 이야기)
:노예시장처럼 사고 팔리며 이반은 감정이 메마른 모습과 누구와도 어울리지 않는 모습을 보인다 또한 이반은 팔려간 뒤로 순종적이게 행동했거나 주인이 아이를 돌보듯 길렀을 것이라 추측된다 (1:51 틸과 미지의 목을 보면 모두 목걸이가 걸려있는데 오직 이반만 걸려있지 않는 모습을 보여주기 때문)
1:28
이 이야기의 끝에는 피로 물든 시린 자리와 텅빈 공기뿐
:틸이 붉은 화관을 쫓는 모습을 보이고 이반은 틸을 따라간다 미지 장치 해제 상태
2:33
Such black, black sorrow (이런 어둠, 깊은 슬픔) 그리고 너
:Like a black, black sorrow (어둠처럼, 깊은 슬픔) 가 아닌 Such를 사용하여 더 이상 어둠처럼이 아닌 어둠이라는 것을 칭한다
자유를 만끽하며 이반을 따라갈 줄 알았으나 틸은 이반의 손을 놓아버리고 이반을 잠시 응시하다가 돌아가버린다 머뭇거렸던 틸의 모습을 봐선 '미지를 버리고 갈 순 없었기 때문일 것이다' 틸은 참가자들 중 가장 예민하며 겁이 많은 것 뿐만이 아닌 미지에 관해서는 조금 맛이 간다는 공식 설정이 있었고 틸이 미지를 사랑하지 않았다면 스스로 다시 그 지옥으로 돌아갈 이유는 없을 것임으로 미지를 향한 마음 때문에 다시 그 곳으로 돌아간 것으로 보인다 (1:27와 같이 미지미지수아 향하여 있는 것으로 보임
*미지,틸, 마지막에 잠깐 나온 루카까지 목걸이를 차고 있으나 "이반은 목걸이를 찬 모습을 보여준 적이 없다" 위에서도 말했다시피 주인이 아끼는 아이 혹은 순종적인 모습을 보였기 때문이라고 추측한다
*처음엔 이반이 틸을 좋아하는 걸까 라고 생각했지만 미지와 틸의 Round2에서 보여준 짝사랑의 모습은 아니였고 내가 보기엔 사랑보단 그 이상의 존재인 것 같다
이반에겐 틸은 닿을 수 없는 존재이자 닿고 싶어서 갈망하는 존재로 보인다 또한 가사만 보았을 때도 이반은 틸과 함께하고 싶어하며 언제나 닿을 수 없는 존재로 칭하고 있다
*무대(영상) 최초 공개되기 전 VIVINOS 커뮤니티에 " (10PM) 강연자 중 한명이 무대 참가를 거부하는 사태가 발생하였느니 조금 더 기다려주시기 바랍니다" 라는 사진이 올라옴-> 루카 혹은 대결 상대라고 추측
도랏다...올라가세요
이분 왜 안 올라가세요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ 미쳤는데 그냥
미쳤다
와 이거지
감사합니다....해석 진짜 쩌십니다....꾸벅.....
I literally feel like crying because the lyrics of the song and just the way he sings them with so much- idk the right words for it, sentiment? Passion? Pain? And i could write whole paragraphs about his expressions, specially the one where he watches till go back... Watching alien stage for the first time, i can already say Ivan is my fav character
THIS IS SO TRUE I COULD NEVER PUT MY FINGER ON IT BUT YOU EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY
@@floorvandenberg8917 no way, im terrible at explaining bc i have so many emotions and thoughts to convey but i always struggle to find the right words for them :( still, ty