I love how much Alien Stage reflects a lot of cheesy TV tropes like the love... circle? Triangle? Where everyone likes everyone but never back thing. But instead of playing it for a joke or something silly, it's written in a way that breaks your heart into a million pieces because the contestants' love is the one thing they got to choose for themselves.
the last part hit hard, and you are right, ALL of it is not their choice, their clothing, how they are shown to their fans, their music (only Till got to sing a song he created alone)
I think what sickens me the most about this is that Ivan didn't even look happy when he was kissing Till, and he died smiling because Till finally acknowledged him
I thought he smiled because he knew for sure he was gonna die at that point and till would be saved, he looked panicked a moment before when he saw till was unresponsive
Ivan sacrificed everything, even himself, for Till. The fact that Ivan is dressed in white (like Sua) like he's a corpse while Till is dressed in black (like Mizi) like he's going to a funeral is heartbreaking.
i just realized that in the first round it's also the same, the one who wear white dies, and the one who wear black live but with grieve and regrets probably
One thing I noticed the very first time I watched this, was that the sound of heartbeat before Till begun to sing, was accelerating rapidly, symbolizing Till's unstable emotions after Mizi's disappearance and after everything he went through in Alien Stage. But when it was Ivan's turn to sing, the heartbeat was steady and calm, as if showing Ivan's firm resolve towards Till, consistent and not waning, showing that Ivan knows what he has to do. And he is confident to sacrifice himself, if it means Till, the 'object of his shallow emotions', can live. Because just like Mizi who makes Till's life meaningful, Till is the one who makes Ivan's life meaningful in the Alien Stage. Death and anything else means nothing to Ivan if it means that 'rebellious boy' he loves could go to the next round.
What’s so heartbreaking about Ivan strangling Till to save him, is the symbol of Ivan taking off Till’s collar that has shown up so many times throughout the series. In their backstory, we see Ivan taking off Till’s restraints on multiple occasions, especially the collar over his mouth. He does it back in Ankat Garden when they make their escape attempt, and he’s shown doing it in the flashback in this episode as well. While the aliens want to stifle Till’s chaotic and rebellious nature, Ivan loves that part about Till, and he wants to free him from his bindings, no matter how loud and violent he can sometimes be. But, when Mitzi disappeared, Till lost his rebellious spirit. As he sings during this round he looks defeated, hopeless, with no fight left to give. Ivan can’t stand for that. He has to help Till get his spirit back, no matter the cost. By Ivan’s final act being strangling Till, what he’s really doing is taking of his collar. He reaches for Till’s neck, for the hundredth time, for the last time, intent, as always, to free Till from the aliens. And when his hands fall away, Till is free -free from the fate that awaited him, and maybe, just maybe, with Ivan’s death, Till can regain his rebellious spirit again.
I hadn't thought of the parallel between choking and he being constantly the one to remove Till's collar and muzzle. Thank you for the renewed pain, I'll got to sleep crying again
But why did Ivan have to die? I hope Till loved Ivan a little bit. I think Ivan was loved by the aliens and that's why he could be saved. If that happens, I hope they will be together.
The tragic thing for me was seeing how far Ivan has gone to keep Till safe. He literally disguised himself as a security guard to get Till out of that bar. I can only imagine the other things he’s done. I believe that’s the whole reason why he became the fan favorite. He knew being loved by the aliens would give him more freedom to protect and keep Till alive. As the favorite, he had to go through horrifying things but it was all worth it if it meant Till was still there. Truly, Ivan is the best character for me.
YEAH! Ivan already done so many for Till, just showing how much he loves him 😭 It's break my heart that Till finally look at him in the last moment of his life :')))
so i've been rewatching the rounds and i realized something. in round 5 when mizi starts beating the shit out of luka, the guards come and pull her off of him, wrangle her away, and only after all that just START to point a gun at her head. but because of all that, the resistance had time to come in and save her. so when ivan started doing the same thing, they began shooting him down immediately. because if they didn't, it would give the resistance time to come in and save him, and they don't want that to happen again. that's why none of the guards approached. they would rather kill him quickly than give opportunity for saving 😭
When you realise the shine in Ivan's eyes was gone when he was choking and kissing Till, but it came back when he saw Till's score go up and at the end when he knew that Till was gonna live and go to the next round
Everyones saying that Till is singing like he's given up but like can we talk about how Ivan sings? He's confident and determined because he knows what he has to do😭
Like this was a major jump from his original song, disobeying in like every conceivable manner like he sang the whole part without letting the other guy sing, he killed the guitar alien all with a smirk and passion on his face. He sang with more passion and intensity in his voice and the majority was in English (I don’t think that’s really apart of it I just find it neat). However now he’s quite the opposite. He is singing like how Alien stage is intended to be sung, the genre and tone of the song is completely different than the previous song. While his voice is still really good it lacks the same spark the original song has since it was a huge shift. I know a lot of people point out how Till dresses like if he was going to a funeral and Ivan to wedding. But I also want to point out how different their wardrobes are from the original songs. In Round 2 till was wearing a white loose t-shirt with [not too] loose pants. He also had no shoes which again I feel was meant to show his rebellious nature. Again his current appearance is the opposite a tucked in? (Could be wrong) black shirt that is now missing any design that the last one had. As well as the tight black pants, it’s more form-fitting like he has decided to con”form” with alien stage ever since mizi disappeared. While it’s obvious that he lost his spark and is going through grief and depression because of it the I like how the a simple black outfit can reflect that. Now on to Ivan’s outfit. The most clear difference between his previous and current outfit is the color, from black to white. However there is more about his outfit is that it was constricted I am unsure on what exactly it is (belt?) however now In round 6 those restrictions are no longer seen on him. His current outfit is (recycling the same thing i said about till) except Ivan’s outfit is less form fitting, looser reflecting that he no has anything else to hide because he already knows he will die (he definitely had this planned out) it’s much asymmetrical and has more flow in comparison to his previous outfit. I absolutely adore how Vivinos designs the characters and their outfits to reflect the state they’re in.
Notice how Till's neck doesn't even have marks of choking? That means Ivan was just holding his hands on his neck, not even trying to hurt him... God, I'm crying...
I think one of the saddest things about this is how when we see Till’s pov Ivan is never in it, but when we see Ivan’s pov Till is EVERYWHERE. Every other person or face is not important like Till is to Ivan, meanwhilr Till doesn’t even SEE Ivan. And he knew, he knew his love wasn’t reciprocated, it’s so clear in his lyrics too 😭😭 I feel like Ivan knew he was going to die the second he turned back to go with Til…. ((I JUST REALIZED THE FIRSY TIME HE ‘SEES’ IVAN IS AFTER HIS NECK IS LET GO AND IVAN LOOKS SO HAPPY RAHHH IM NOT OK))
I just noticed this but- During his first song Till sang a determined love song, while Ivan sang a sorrowful song. Now Ivan is singing a determined love song, while Till is singing a sorrowful song.
It reminds me of Suguru while he was carrying Riko and after while he was taking a shower, the cult follower’s claps turning into rain and the rain turning back into those same claps 😭😭😭
There's something truly sad about how Till tries to push Ivan away when he kisses him, but just goes limp when Ivan starts choking him. For a character that's always seen fighting back, when his best friend seemingly tried to kill him, he just accepted it. I think Till went into this competition with the expectation that he would lose, maybe even hoping he would lose since now the only thing that made life worth it to him (Mizi) was gone. Then, his realization of what Ivan did, the fact that Ivan must've felt for him what he felt towards Mizi - that Till dying would've made life pointless for Ivan...
Im wondering if luca will try to provoke till the same way he provoked mizi, since he sees this as a way to secure victory. And i wanna see how till would react to that
@@totoro413i don't (fully) think Luka would do that, especially since he seems to be kinda tired of winning. There could even be a chance of him working with the rebellion because of how he acted when he noticed Hyuna helping Mizi on Round 5
Idk if this detail was intentional, but Ivan looks like a groom getting married, and Till looks like he's going to a funeral. Maybe the same could be extended to Mizi and Sua.
The fact that Ivan only smiles at the end once he knows Till is safe 😭 He doesn’t smile while kissing the person he loves but only after he’s sure Till would live 🥹 I am not okay
Can I tell you about my Oc for Alien Stage? This idea, kinda has been done before. Especially with the original Macross Anime. But hear me out though . What if the male character I'm making who loves Ivan back , is half Alien and half human . But he was exiled from society . I know this is a mess but it's a draft idea so far . We haven't seen half human, half alien characters in Alien Stage. And I think it would be interesting. I haven't decided how Ivan and my Oc will meet yet. But I want Ivan to have a guy who loves him too. I think Ivan will teach my Oc what it means to be human . I was a bit inspired by the original Macross Anime and it's movie Do You Remember Love? And Gunslinger Girl / Violet Evergarden for making my Oc. I named him Noah . What do you think? 👀
this is the only alien stage round that actually made me cry. i’ve analyzed it so many times because it just hurts watching it and i know that’s what makes it so good
I think it’s to make the guards think that he’s being super aggressive to be sacrificed and the last little kiss is like a confession and goodbye at the same time🤷♂️
It's the "you wont realize how much they truly loved you til it's too late" trope that breaks me :( PLEASE LET HIM MIRACULOUSLY BE ALIVE BRUH I CANT TAKE IT
Notice how Ivan's body is shown we might still have hope. Sua's body wasn't shown in her and Mizi's round, so she's dead asf (let me cope i am coping im nkt entirely really sure if ivan will miraculously come out from his grave, BUT LET ME COPE)
@anotherstranger1273 Also Everytime the lyrics "end of this story" appear it all shows Till in the scene and in both of those times that line appeared, the line that comes next fits well with Ivans "death"
Something that i realised is how Till says "Let me drown in you" (0:51) to Mizi because he loves and adore Mizi, but she isn't interested in him which makes him crave that love from her even more. He wants to drown in her love but he cant because her love wasnt meant for him, it was meant for Sua. Ivan on the other hand says "I'll drown in you" (2:20) indicating that he can and WILL drown in his love for Till. "Drowning" in this case implies that he'll lose himself the deeper he goes. So this means he'll willingly love Till, even if it means he will lose himself in the process.
OH YOU ARE VILE FOR POINTING THIS OUT. IM NEVER GONNA KNOW PEACEFUL REST EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS. (/pos thank u for giving me another thing to think about at night)
Fun fact! (It's not a fun fact I'm on the brink of tears) The Korean word used in "drown" when translated literally can also mean to dye, to color, to infect, or to *taint.* Till's literally singing "Let me be tainted by you," and Ivan's literally singing "Let me taint you,"
Vivinos really said "Your favorite ship gets to kiss, but its the most unsatisfying and uncomfortable one-sided kiss ever and it only happens because one of them wants go out with no regrets."
the fact that in the first round Mizi wore a black dress and Sua a white dress and in the sixth round Till wears a black outfit and Ivan wears a white outfit represents that, Ivan and Sua died in peace for the person they loved while Till and Mizi they will mourn their sacrifice...
Ivan is the true Gigachad of the story, he got what he wanted (made Till aware of his feelings) and sacrificed himself in order to protect who he loved, his black sorrow.
feeling kinda a little too dead inside atm after watching but ngl this comment made me actually chuckle & feel a bit better especially the "his black sorrow" at the end lol like ah so true, you shall be forever slay icon Ivan, our King (doomed) Yaoi the third 🤧😭🖤
It’s the way that at the end, after the painfully one sided kiss and the “choking” (which even if till wasn’t actually being choked it’s still painful to have someone grab your neck like that) Ivan gives one last small, gentle kiss knowing it’s the last thing he’ll ever do right before he dies
@@PatientSqueaky I aspire for your level of delusionality 😭 I don’t think they making it outta this one all we can do is hope that Mizi doesn’t get caught and that round 7 doesn’t have a death
i noticed that during till’s last line before the kiss, he’s actually not singing (2:58), meaning he was purposefully trying to lose, and when ivan noticed this he made sure till would win by acting “aggressively” on stage 🥲
You know, if you compared Ivan's performance in black swan to here, Ivan sang less emotionally here. What I theorised was that the more emotions you put in your singing, the higher points you will get. Cause if you were to hear closely when till was singing, when he thought of sua his voice got raspier. Ivan's voice was similarly like that in black Swan when he started thinking of till. Ivan wanted to throw the entire performance all along by singing more monotonously. Then at the end, till gave up, like what you pointed out. Ivan doubled down and did the choking act, but probably kissed him first because fuck it all right?
3:14 when Ivan pulled away from the kiss, there is still light in Till's eyes and it feels like he's seeing Ivan's real feelings for the first time which is probably why he looks kind of shocked and confused. But the light disappears when Ivan held his neck 3:25. I feel like he had an idea of Ivan's feelings for the first time but he disposed this idea quickly when he thought Ivan was going to unalive him. Till thought that Ivan truly wanted to win and k word him. 3:43 but the shine returns when Ivan's hold in his neck loosens. I interpret this as him having hope that Ivan didn't truly want to unalive him.
I know people keep saying we don't see any trace of Ivan in Till's eyes until it was already too late, but I think it's more tragic to point out that we do see Till 'see' Ivan during his section. When they were kids, when Ivan had no light in his eyes. So, I think it'a more appropriate to say that the end was more like the first time Till ever saw the light in Ivan's eyes and been able realize that that light had always been for him.
The fact that he looked at the score machine to make sure Till's points would be more than his and then kissed him one last time MAKES IT EVEN MORE HEARTBREAKING LIKE WHY DONT YOU JUST STAB ME IN THE HEART INSTEAD OF KILLING ME LIKE THIS 😭
Can we talk about how Till's final score is 89 and in Round 3, when Ivan wasn't self-sabotaging, his was 90? One point difference. Again. The parallels to Mizi and Sua are endless. I'm so tired Vivinos, what about my mental health? Huh? I've got exams coming up and all I can think of is these two little bastards. I miss you so much Ivan.
it’s the fact that ivan holds on until the last bullet hits that makes me go crazy… he knew that if he let go on the first bullet, the aliens would have just saved him. so he kept pushing until the point of no return…and that’s why when the final killing bullet hits he smiles immediately before letting go…
Ivan is the only character not seen in aneyone memory . While every character had someone they considered thear god and their beloved , Ivan is the only unloved mf . Btw does aneyone know how to tie an rope?
@@TheLawlessRogue People are theorizing that Ivan's doing a special type of chokehold where he's holding Till's neck from the sides instead of the front so that makes it seem like he's choking Till without actually hurting him. And he did all that to guarantee Till's victory.
Si, estoy segura de que Ivan noto que Till iba a perder y lo asfixio para salvarlo, por eso las balas eran dociles, porque eran de advertencia para que parara 😭
THE LITTLE SMOOCH IVAN GIVE TO TILL BEFORE DIYING AS A FREAKIN FAREWELL TO THEN START "CHOKING" HIM SO HIS OWN POINTS DOWN AND ALSO HIS BELOVED AND FRIEND DOESN'T SEE HIM BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST BREAKS MY SOUL 😭😭
I didn't even notice that Til stopped singing until I listened to the official video from Studio LICO. In this video you can hear him sing in the audio but if you watch his lips he stopped. That's why Ivan acted when he did, otherwise Til would have lost then and there.
@@escolastica2926 also because the song is cut short here. The Studio LICO version has another couple of verses that they didn’t get to cause Til stopped.
i'd just like to point out the fact that ivan fell in love with till because of his rebellious attitude and his spirit, when he fought against that monster dog thing when he they were still kids at the episode for round three. and the fact that part of till had only shone out because mizi was there with him, presumably wanting to protect mizi by fighting back against the monster. i think ivan finally really starts to understand the extent of how much till loves mizi when he saw that till had no fighting spirit left in him to fight back when he choked him. to me, it wordlessly told ivan that he fell in love with the rebellious fire of a boy that was ignited by someone else. that till's hope was mizi, and that the fire would extinguish alongside her disappearance. that fight in till was never for ivan to fall in love with, it was for and because of the hope he gets from mizi.
3:34 I can’t help but feel that Ivan is not just making sure that they keep shooting him, but his expression is just desperation to have Till look at him one last time.
honestly, I bet a lot of thoughts were running through his head there in just that one frame. ivan fell in love with till for his rebellious spirit, and now he’s watching him just give up without a fight. and that’s after he DID fight when ivan was kissing him. till would literally rather die than kiss him back. god this whole mv is heartbreaking
ok but how the second kiss feels much more genuine. Like after he checks the scores he gives him a short gentle one that feels both like a reassurance and a goodbye. Since Ivan tends to always look out for him in the past I guess thats how his genuine emotions shows up more. And that's when Till looks calm, really sees him and fully embrace him and the situation.
That small and tender kiss at 3:23 is such a painful yet beautiful detail. It feels like a last declaration of pure love, a goodbye and confession at the same time. I teared up at that moment.
@@crowquettic I've watched this scene too much, I guess that's why I noticed immediately😭. Anyway you're welcome fellow Ivantill shipper! (I'm assuming you're one🙏)
i will die on the hill that ivan forced the kiss on till because he knew he wouldnt get to say goodbye properly and till was frozen and kept trying to push ivan to sing so that he may live
I knew he would do the same 😭 he said all that cuz he knew well that till only sees mizi, and if he dies, it won't affect till as much as sua did to mizi (is what ivan thinks at least ,in my opinion T*T) cuz mizi actually loves sua
I find Till's development in this clip very interesting. You can see here that he's given up. He is the first to stop singing, he barely resists Ivan during the kiss. It's such a stark contrast to the first clip. Till from the past could put up a fight, but he doesn't now. Till is so devastated. On the cotrust, seeing Ivan's eagerness to fight for every bit of attention from Till, and his immense strength for self-sacrifice really breaks my heart.
Yeah, and he's like that because Mizi disappeared. In the first clip she was almost next to him and basically the song was dedicated to her. Now, with her missing, he feels like he has nothing to lose anymore and I find this pretty interesting since we know that Mizi loved Sua and showed no interest in Till. He's so in love with her and devoted it hurts...
Something I noticed about Ivan is that I feel like, whenever Till looked like he was feeling down or looked like he was on the verge of giving up, Ivan would do things to purposefully grate on tills nerve in order to get him to fight. I think he did that because he fell in love with Till and his fighting spirit and never wanted to see it die out. I feel like it's also part of the reason why he kissed Till during the competition as well. Because of Mizi being gone, he looked like he was on the verge of giving up and Ivan didn't want that. Granted I'm just speculating, but it feels like a common theme.
wow, i agree! just noticed that. maybe he had mutipple plans an intentions behind the kiss and strangling. making sure he would get disqualified, trying to make till mad and keep fighting..
@@swaggooo9638 I personally feel like it was, again, in part to incentivse Till to fight back like he always did. Possibly a wrong interpretation, but that's my perspective. I also know it's quite likely he wanted the score to stay the same so that he would be the one killed.
Notice how starting from 2:54 of the vid, Ivan's eye lack those glint or white stuff on his eye, they only came back when, FIRST, when he was looking at the scores. Then SECOND, when he was shot for the last time. Notice how he lacked those glint while kissing Till. It's as if he wanted Till to hate him even more, so that the ending can be less painful. Notice how, even with the cold demeanor and forcing Till, at the end, he was able to be relieved that the person he loves most got to live. That even then, Ivan managed to show who he really is to Till before dying. Just like in Black Sorrow, Ivan's mask broke because of Till, and in the end, Ivan's end, it was still Till who broke that mask of his. Only Till.
im sure you also suffered typing this comment as much as i have suffered and cried soooo much reading this. bet it was like : 'notice...*sobsobsob* how even, *cries*'
It felt a lot like ivan was trying to make till hate him even more so till would remember him, kinda like how it was hinted that sua originally was going to sacrifice herself for mizi to save mizi and also so mizi would remember her
@@msk-qp6fn hits hard when you remember the community post where Ivan talks to Sua about being selfish and sacrificing herself because Ivan sAYS to her "you'll be a traumatic experience to Mizi" he knows Till doesn't love him, nor even look at him even when Mizi isn't around, but he still plays up his cold persona so Till doesn't pity Ivan when he dies- which knows he will. Ivan doesn't want any good memories attached to him in Till's mind so that Till can continue fighting and live on with no heartbreak.
@@villager96 can't confirm it as it's not mentioned there that if it's his adoption date or birth date. Still can be consider as bday. *Edit* : it's confirmed it's his birthday the lastest community poll post about character profile says "birthday: 0214".
@@RB_kun40567 why would you edit your comment though? Didn’t you say something like 'we can still consider it to be his birthday'? And no, when they were tweeting about the birthdays of the characters, everyone had birthday besides the date except him, who had *adoption* day instead. They never said what his birthday was, probably because it’s supposed to be unknown.
틸 점수높은거 확인하고 다정하게 키스하는거 미쳤나. 그때까지도 틸은 당연히 자기가 질 줄 알고 있었겠지. 이반 팬들이 압도적으로 많으니까. 그래서 목이 졸리는 순간까지도 자기가 진 줄 알고 죽을 준비하는데 틸 눈치못채게 이반은 총 맞으면서도 놔주질 않았고 나중에 틸이 이반 쓰러진 거 보고 상황파악하는게 맴찢임. 마지막 순간에서야 틸은 이반의 수 많은 배려 중 하나를 알아챘겠지..쓰발 너무 슬퍼...
BROOOO A TEAR APPEARED WHEN HE REALIZED HIS PLAN SUCCEEDED (WHEN HE GETS SHOT AND SPITS BLOOD, WHEN HIS GAZE SOFTENS) HOW COME I ONLY KNEW ABT THIS KNOW AGHHHHHHHH, I THOUGHT THE ONLY ONE WHO CRIED WAS TILL. TURNS OUT THEY BOTH CRIED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
For some reason Ivan kissing Till is absolutely obliterating my heart, cause Ivan knows that his feelings aren't truly reciprocated, but he still kisses the one he is devoted to with such passion before sacrificing himself for that person - super painful 😭
Ok but nobody talking about Till’s vocals???????? He had already shown a more soft vocal in Clematis but THIS 😭 he sounds so tired and broken Edit: Also the fact that Ivan sounds so composed in comparison to Black sorrow where he lowkey snapped at the end, He was so sure of what he was about to do, bro I cannot with this Both voice actors were on a mission to DESTROY us
Hearing Till not singing violently and more to soft voice is just so..🥹 bit to add that Till look really dead in his eyes,he really had enough of this things(he even accept ivan choked him and not even fights back😭)
IVAN SMILED AT THE END WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS DYING AND THAT MEANT TILL WOULD LIVE AND THAT ENOUGH MADE HIM HAPPY EVEN WHILE DYING I AM IN SHAMBLES edit: guys my notifs please, i know what happens next i'm still in recovery ok....... 😭
I think it's also because for once Till looked at Ivan in the eyes. It's sad though that in his last moments Ivan is finally in Tills eyeline, yet would never have the same impact as Mizi.
can we just talk about how much emotion Ivans eyes had at 3:40 normally his eyes don't have highlights which makes him feel inhumane but as soon as he realizes he's actually going to die his eyes become more human
I read a theory that his eyes finally lit up only after he realized his plan worked and Till would have a chance to win and be safe and live- now I'm crying-
@@Haz3l.Sa1yeah i was thinking that was probably the case too. if i loved someone as much as ivan did i wouldn’t be scared to die. i’d be happy that i was able to get the person i love to live
i think the reason till closed his eyes when ivan started 'choking' him wasnt because he was actually being choked, but i think its because he lost all hipe of living. since we already know till most likely loves mizi, finding out she went missing wouldve been dreadful for him. so when ivan grabbed his neck, even though he wasnt actually being strangled he lost all hope and thought he was gonna die. I think thats also probably why he looked shocked when ivan let go of his neck and got shot, as he was prepared to die himself, not for ivan to die!!!!!!!!
not only till doesn't think about ivan at all, but he doesn't look at him ONCE until he's physically forced to. even in ivan's flashbacks he only looks at ivan when he's provoked (when they have a fight, when ivan touches his wound) speaking of that fight they have... (2:03) ivan seems particularly happy. i wonder if it's because till is paying attention to him for once. even the lyrics go "notice my pain"
@@Bright_Berry-Roiit's clear, I think Ivan is just there in till's life, he finally saw/notice Ivan at the end. It's always when they die they realise 😭
@@Bright_Berry-Roi nobody thinks that lol but it's more obvious since it's the first time we see them together in present time. it's not just that till can't spare ivan a thought, he can't even spare him a glance. it's like ivan is a ghost, which is a sharp contrast to how obsessive ivan is about till. it's also interesting how the till-mizi unrequited love feels a lot more innocent compared to ivan-till. it's probably because till is much less touchy and much more respectful, and also has other interests/things he cares about
@@inkcat7idk what u mean with "nobody thinks that" but I'm sure most do with the flashback and all. But yes sure that doesn't mean they are friends, maybe to till but I doubt that. Ivan is just there in till's life.
@@leroyjenkins1249I mean granted with the situation they’re in I don’t think their morality can compare to us on that lvl. They were raised by aliens that saw them as literal pets. Tho I get what you mean.
You can tell from Till's expression throughout that he had in a way accepted his fate and expecting to die this round - but he wasn't scared... he probably saw it as finally being released from this torment. What he didn't know, however, is that Ivan would never let that happen 😭
He was sacrificing himself for Ivan, there is a right way to strangulate someone without intending to murder and that is exactly what he did, because he wanted to be disqualified to save Ivan.@@nejy44
@@hannah5021 i saw other comments saying the same thing but i dont think it was an intentional detail bcs why would ivan pretend choke till? wanting him to die with him makes more sense to me, especially bcs he kisses him first, sees that he lost and then starts choking him. also its weird to just be holding someone by their neck??
you can really hear it in their voices, till’s voice is trembling and full of raw emotion and desperation, but ivan’s is steady, calm, determined. like he knows what he has to do. IM CRYING
What I noticed, what I understood and how I interpreted this. 1.- In the first seconds of this round we hear the beatings of a heart while we watch different moments of Tills life and the experiments that he has endured, almost like he is watching his life pass in front of his eyes. He expects to die at the end of this round and when his actual face is revealed it shows how everything he has gone through is finally taking a toll on him (of course this happens after his reason to live is no where to be found, without Mizi he doesn’t see a reason to move forward). 2.- When he starts singing and the picture behind him shows we can notice the differences between his personality now and how it was back when mizi was “alive”, he is clearly boring the audience as they all look at him with an unimpressed gaze (also, he is competing against a fan favorite). And the phrase “ I don’t want to let you go” makes reference to mizi. Every single line he sings and almost every memory makes reference to her and to her death, Till genuinely thinks he is dead without her. 3.-Then we get the first and only memory of Ivan. From Till’s perspective we get that both of them got into a fight when they were kids and the gaze that Ivan used to look at Till is rather…. Sadistic Unbothered?. I think this is the perception that Till has of Ivan, he isn’t able to read him and therefore has always thought Ivan was annoying him for the fun of it. This scene shifts to a memory of Ivan, as he finds Till knocked out in the karaoke bar. 4.- It’s clear to see the parallel between both memories, the only thing that makes a difference is the way that Ivan looks at Till, his eyes are sparkling, as he is looking at his beloved. 5.- This parallel between scenes shows us that Till doesn’t actually know about Ivan’s feeling for him and that he has always interpreted them as hatred or dismissive, in the other hand, Ivan actually looks at Till lovingly in every memory of himself, he even has the permission to take of the collar of Till. (I don’t think every human can take off the collar of everyone else, but Ivan CAN. This makes me wonder if he is the one who usually saves till and takes care of him, to the point that the guardians have ALLOWED him to do so). 6.-Ivan lyrics also makes reference to Till in every moment. “Even if your cold words carve scars beneath my eyes…” this clearly makes reference to the way Till treats Ivan (which I assume is not pleasant, as Till is almost unaware of his existence). For example: In a community post we see Till complaining about Ivan wishing he would go away, he thinks that Ivan’s presence is making Mizi go away. Ivan just states that Mizi never plays with him, the one that does so is Ivan. 7.- Is almost as if Mizi takes the place of Ivan in every memory of Till, that’s the level of obsession Till has of Mizi. 8.- I wouldn’t be surprised if Ivan was constantly devastated from the things Tills says. This lack of acknowledgement forces Ivan to do drastic things like getting in a physical fight with Till and sadly this is the ONLY memory Till has of Ivan (paragraph 3) so this drastic measures actually work. 9.- The next scene reflects what actually Ivan wants to be noticed, the looks of affection he gives, the gentleness. Nonetheless, the only thing that gets a reacting from Till are the things Ivan doesn’t like (dramatic gestures). And I think Ivan doesn’t really like the grand gestures because of his judgment of Sua and her decision to die for Mizi. (The ultimate sacrifice just for the sake of being remembered). 10.- I want to make another point, in round 3 we can see a flash back of a red flower crown flying past Ivan and Till going after it. I think what happened is that Mizi made this flower crown for Sua, the flower crown flew away and till wanted to get it back for Mizi (who wanted it for Sua) Mizi and Till go into the home of an alien flower (also shown in the memories) and the flower eats this flower crown, making Till try and fight with the alien plant to get it back for Mizi, Till ends up getting hurt and Ivan just watches from the back. (This is what I can deduce with round 3 flashbacks). In this round we see another flashback of that same day (maybe) where Ivan is watching the plant form the back and one where he is touching its teeth, I think either Ivan calmed down the plant or he managed to get the flower crown from its mouth without getting hurt, whatever happened it culminated on Ivan getting Tills wound treated (Mizi probably fled the scene or trusted Ivan to take care of Tills, as they were close friends even if Tills doesn’t seem to recall that). 11.- Then Ivan is seen caressing Tills wounded face in a hospital and finally Tills running away from their attempted escape. This is even more devastating as we can now interpret their escape as Ivan’s way of saving Till for the millionth time, expecting to be saved at the same time, expecting Till to be grateful and running away with him because maybe, just maybe, Till will care enough about both of them to move forward and finally acknowledge the sacrifices Ivan constantly makes for him, but alas, Till runs away and decides their fate. 12.- We see a glimpse of real life Till being depressed as Ivan pours his heart out in the chorus. “In your gaze where I’m seen…” he doesn’t even look at Ivan in the memories nor in real life. Till cannot see the suffering in Ivan, and Ivan just sees the suffering of Till. Ivan was never seen, every glimpse of his memory he longs for the gaze of Till, but he never acquires it. 13.- “Face to face we dance…” Ivan keeps looking at Till, trying to make it about them. “With our story…” Till looks in front of him thinking about Mizi. He stops singing and Ivan directly starts his plan. Even when he KNOWS Ivan is heading towards him, Till is not bothered to look at him. 3:04. Until he has to. 14.- And for the first time the roles change, The one with sparking eyes is Till and Ivan just looks at him without anything. The first kiss they shared and Till is still unable to read Ivan. For him, this came out of nowhere 3:15. His surprise changes to alert when Ivan grabs him by the throat. Ivan isn’t even hurting him. 15.- Ivan is concerned for the lack of resistance that Till shows, Ivan has fell in love with the resilience and defiance of Tills personality and now it’s nowhere to be found. The numbers change and Ivan’s plan works, he starts being killed for the “aggression” he is committing. Even when he is dying, till is not looking at him. Finally he lets go, as he ensures his loved one will survive. And as he falls his last picture is Till finally looking at him. Ivan smiles as a last goodbye, the smile is enough to make Till understand everything he hadn’t noticed before. There is no people, no Mizi, no aliens, no cameras and no microphones. It’s only Ivan, as the spotlight focuses on them, Till realizes he has lost the only thing that was constant, the reason he has actually managed to survive this long. Meanwhile, Ivan is now the thing he despised, he has done this last grand gesture to make Till look at him (paragraph 9). He has died in what he longed all along. Maybe it was never meant to be. Edit: OMG GUYS YOU ARE SO NICE.
3:23 you see the way this kiss was less aggressive than the other ones? He did that once he saw tills score going up and his going down. This was a more genuine kiss of relief and a kiss to say goodbye, it was softer than the others because Ivan was saying goodbye.
He bled through his mouth bro that’s internal bleeding. They already wanted him dead so they arent gonna treat him. I hate to say this but most likely he’s dead. I pray to everyone he isn’t.
@@enclinker7951 yeah that’s what I meant I mean it doesn’t necessarily have to be lungs to be fatal just the fact he’s bleeding out from his mouth means he’s gonna die soon but never have I ever hoped I was wrong Pls be alive PLS PLEASE
The fact that in the end Till is just standing over Ivan’s body long enough that the show is over and the lights turn off, like he’s in shock or denial that Ivan is dead and is just standing there, processing the fact that he is gone - It hurtsss 😭
Ivan's sacrifice is heartbreaking for a multitude of reasons. For starters, Ivan knows that Till (in his current state) would never choose him in place of Mizi. I mean, he has watched Till literally give up his complete freedom from ALNST just to stay by her side. Regardless, he would do what he could to capture Till's attention, even if it meant purposefully teasing or picking a fight with him (2:03). This is because, to Ivan, Till is practically the only reason his life has meaning. As an audience, we can assume that Ivan has had a hard life full of abuse prior to his participation in ALNST. His eyes in flashbacks are drawn with little to no light. That is until he meets Till, the only character (including Hyuna) to have shown some real resistance to the ALNST and alien control since his childhood. In ALNST Round 3, we see that Ivan views Till's volatile, uncontrollable personality as something as beautiful as a sky full of shooting stars. He wishes so desperately to be the one to hold Till's spark, for his blaze to "consume him" (2:42). Yet, after Mizi's disappearance following ALNST Round 5, Till's flame goes out. He becomes a shadow of his former self, losing his fighting spirit in the process. And Ivan is forced to watch the person he loves, the one thing that has proven to him that life is worth living, completely throw himself away. Till wanted to die that day. He wore black to his own funeral. Even when Ivan began kissing and choking him, he never put up much of a fight to resist (3:26). But Ivan was willing to risk everything for Till. He threw his chance of living by tossing his microphone aside and began to "attack" Till as it was the only way he could assure his loss. He even kept holding on after multiple shots. Although, he could never truly hurt Till as Ivan only wrapped his hands around his collar rather than his neck. And with a final kiss goodbye, Ivan died with a smile. He was genuinely grateful that was able to save Till from a death marked by the ALNST, and that for once, even if it was at the end, Till's eyes were only on him.
how has nobody commented on this?? oh my god?? "Ivan views Till's volatile uncontrollable personality as somethinh as beautiful as a sky full of shooting stars. He wishes so desperately to be the one to hold Till's spark, for his blaze to consume him" LORDDD YOU _ATE_ WITH THISSSSS?? Ivan wants Till all to himself, which in theory he SHOULD considering Mizi is out of the picture. But Mizi is Till's oxygen, he needs her like he needs air. As you've beautifully pointed out, Till's flame was slowly dying. Till's flashback even shows him distraught when he's supposed to perform in front of the aliens. Till has always been the rebel, he's resisted being pushed around at any given chance, but this time he can't even stand to put his mask back on and sing for these pricks. He fights back when he sees the aliens lash out at him and threaten him, Mizi's missing poster being shoved in his face being the icing on the cake. He is finally neutralized by who I assume is his guardian, but he's beaten and bruised. He's helpless. This is the point of no return I think, this is what leads Till to just surrender emotionally. "Wearing black to his own funeral" as you put it. "Ivan is forced to watch the person he loves completely throw himself away" and its so painful because he'd rather die himself than watch Till's spirit stop burning bright. Gosh, what maniacs they are- Ivan I mean. And Vivinos. for creating this beautiful mess of love, devotion, and death.
If you look closely, right between the kiss and the choke, Till’s face slightly relaxes. It doesn’t look panicked or scared or anything, he’s not that phased by it, he’s just realizing that oh, Ivan kissed him…. But it’s very brief because Ivan starts fake choking him the next second and that freaks him out.
I think out of all of them, Till seems to be the one most talented in music. He was writing his own music and he was the only one seen playing an instrument. Plus, Mizi even gifted him a flute. With how much he rebelled at every single opportunity, Till must have been super talented for him to even have passed and gotten into the tournament. And the fact that the aliens still made him perform outside of the tournament despite having to restrain him so much is crazy to me.
And him hitting high ass notes in this song despite technically have little to no practice from depressing over mizi and stuff, so he's rlly a music genius ✋️✋️✋️
He also has the fastest selling albums! In addition from being a musical genius he is (maybe with Hyuna) the most expressive character in my opinion. Aliens love seeing human feelings, it's no wonder they love his music
@@AdSoyad-rp1vm Yes he is more talented but the aliens still like Luka more. This is seen in the top 3 video and in round 5 where they cheer much more for Luka than Mizi.
One thing that I want to mention about Ivan. He somehow knows how to remove a collar. In flashback in the 3rd round Ivan took Till’s collar off. In bar Ivan took Till’s collar off. Even in flashback Ivan reaches his hand to Till’s collar. No one else did something like that in ALNST. Please, Ivan is too smart to die 😭😭😭
unfortunately, I don't think the writers will probably listen. There's no way in hell that Ivan would've survived multiple bullet wounds. I think Till will probably use that knowledge though.
@@altheac1114 You should rewatch round 1 and see how the guard shot when they want it to be lethal. Realistically speaking, if they were standard bullet wounds Ivan would have collapsed sooner and most likely on his right side instead. Plus those aliens probably have better medicine than us. The way this round is done writers can both pretend Ivan died or just severely wounded.
@@yannenenenen Maybe, maybe not. Personally I'm gonna wait for the next video before saying anything definitive, there are too many elements that are off to me.
@@Arkleioit’s from a comic in Ivan’s perspective. You can find it on the official alien twt account or on this channel’s community tab. It was posted about 2-3 months ago the title is “confession” with the first photo being the back of Sua. Hope that helps! (Also sorry if I sent this twice, RUclips was acting up for me)
His collar didn't explode, he just got shot so there's still chance he can be saved since he is also valuable to those alien. IVAN IS ALIVE (copium💀) Edit: Everyone in replies is TOTALLY SANE (me included) 😊😊😊
Another thing to point put is that Till isnt chained any longer. All his life we see him chained up but the aliens recognize his vulnerability and weakness due to the missing/loss of mizi. His last fight is when the alien forces him to see her poster but after that hes put in the position of a pet. Docile and complacent. His hair is tamed. Hes collard and made presentable no longer the fighter he once was. He even plays the part of the duet onlt singing his part and letting ivan have his. Hes just a far cry from who hes been his entire life On the other side of that eveyone recognizes Ivan's sacrifice for till out of love but i think its that combined with the previous. Ivan loved to see Till's reactions he loved the attention he got when he provoked him and just in genral he liked his spirit and the death of that with the loss for mizi was just another blow to Ivan's one-sided love. Theyre singing to two different partners in two different states. Grief and acceptance. Song is straight fire too.
Ivan saying “cheer up” (a direct reference to the recent comic with the flower that has younger Till and Ivan) to Till in his interview knowing full well what he was planning to do is so vile for us.
Also, very obsessed with the choice to switch Till’s outfit from white -> black and Ivan’s outfit from black -> white considering how their roles and actions got swapped. Till became grief stricken over Mizi and didn’t really fight against the aliens the way he usually did. Then you have Ivan, who was usually consistent in his performances and very obedient in regards to following rules, making the active choice to become “unpredictable” in the way Till usually was.
@@cina2218 They're on the official twitter or the community tab! Usually kind people will try to translate them in comments and replies, but I usually look into certain wording on some parts myself.
@@Gaylanwangji yeah, when till opens his eyes as he falls, he probably thought something like that, but that moment is right before that - when ivan's hold on his neck slighlty tightens. like "okay, he is safe, i did enough" and then till looks at him and ivan goes like "oh he is looking at me" and i cry because i'm feeling sick in the heart x.x
the fact that them expanding either means youre high or attraction/fascination, in this case, till prolly experienced the latter, i am not okay. Plus, they also say that in low light, your pupils dilate to let in more light which makes this even heartbreaking bc till was depressed and ivan was basically his light
It seems to me this song shows the unreciprocated love of each other. Till is singing it for Mizi, he truly believes his reason to live is dead; (1:11) “On your icy lips,” alongside with the image of her in a white robe as a kid shows that she is a corpse-cold, which makes her have icy lips. He also mentions “Let me drown in you” (0:54) emphasizing “let me” because he can’t, she’s no longer there. Till on the other hand says “I’ll drown in you” (2:22) which shows he can drown, and he WILL drown, because Till is there, and he loves him. Other comments have said that Ivan is dressed as a Broom while Ivan is dressed like he’s going to a funeral because it SHOWS their dynamic, Ivan loves him, while Till is MOURNING for Mizi. The only reason why he is even singing is FOR Mizi, to relief himself. While Ivan is doing it to LOVE Till. I feel like Ivan’s sacrifice wasn’t planned, he SAW that Till had no will to continue singing, he had this twisted idea that Till was singing Ivan’s song as a duet (because he probably wrote it since he’s a fan favorite and has privileges) but Till stopped singing after “To this everlasting melody” (2:51) and didn’t sing “With our story” (2:59) “Lost in forever’s embrace” (3:04) because it isn’t their story, it’s not reciprocated. Which also explains why Ivan sung “Face to face WE dance” (2:54) because he truly believes this is a duet. ALSO (edit) it is come to my attention that the original song IS a duet (it’s on Vivinos page) and the part where Till stopped singing was THE START of the duet, which actually confirms that it is symbolism for unreciprocated love. Even after the kiss, they’re dynamic is furtherly emphasized in 3:33 because Ivan wants Till to LOOK at him one last time, as he is desperate and his eyes shaking show it, but Till is only mourning and accepting his fate by having his eyes close, finally believing that his pain will be relieved. That he will get his cure. However the one getting his cure instead is Ivan. It’s called Cure because by Ivan dying, his pain of not having his love returned is cured. It isn’t a sorrow anymore, it’s cured by his own death.
CAN SOMEONE MAKE THIS TOP COMMENT?? the "let me" vs. "I will" was JUST at the tip of my tongue!! I knew they symbolized the difference in perspective. "wearing black to symbolize Till mourning for Mizi" THEGASP I GUSPED "Till not singing the 'with our story' line" WHOA BECAUSE IN TILL'S EYES ITS NOT ABOUT HIM AND IVAN. HE'S SINGING FOR MIZI. Ivan singing "face to face WE dance" because he recognizes hes singing with and FOR Till. Oh god. "Till thinking he'll be cured from his pain by dying when it's Ivan who dies in the end instead, freed from his unrequited longing" WHAT. YOU'RE SO SICK. YOURE SICK AND TWISTED AND I SEE THIS. BRIGHT AND CLEAR. I want to add on that Ivan probably tried to "cure" Till as well. Ivan tried to get Till to respond but Till remains silent and compliant. Till couldn't see Ivan trying to bring his flame, his fighting spirit back to life (because he was closing his eyes.. lmao) Theyre so undeniably doomed, thank you for this analysis. I enjoyed it MUCH and LOTS and I will read it fifteen hundred times over thank you mwah
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I love how much Alien Stage reflects a lot of cheesy TV tropes like the love... circle? Triangle? Where everyone likes everyone but never back thing. But instead of playing it for a joke or something silly, it's written in a way that breaks your heart into a million pieces because the contestants' love is the one thing they got to choose for themselves.
OOF that last bit hit me HARD
I literally hate you (this was great thank you for commenting this)
the last part hit hard, and you are right, ALL of it is not their choice, their clothing, how they are shown to their fans, their music (only Till got to sing a song he created alone)
More like a love line LOL, Mizisua was mutual but sua is dead, till loves mitzi unrequited, ivan loves till unrequited, and nobody loves Ivan....
@@pigeontoes5421YEAH. Pretty much - Don't forget the additional Luka-Hyuna one-sided pining.
(noone loves ivan? the fanbase begs to differ/j)
I think what sickens me the most about this is that Ivan didn't even look happy when he was kissing Till, and he died smiling because Till finally acknowledged him
a kiss full of sorrow almost.
@@SalomSands black sorrow 😭
IM FKCING CRYING WAIT
I thought he smiled because he knew for sure he was gonna die at that point and till would be saved, he looked panicked a moment before when he saw till was unresponsive
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Ivan sacrificed everything, even himself, for Till.
The fact that Ivan is dressed in white (like Sua) like he's a corpse while Till is dressed in black (like Mizi) like he's going to a funeral is heartbreaking.
and black hair... Sua and Ivan have black hair lmao
(im crying of their death)
i just realized that in the first round it's also the same, the one who wear white dies, and the one who wear black live but with grieve and regrets probably
How does it feel to be an Orv fan and ALNST fan at the same time?
@@lyingndyinges horrible , ser fan del ivantill, satosugu, joongdok (ayudaa)
@@lyingndying The world is cruel
One thing I noticed the very first time I watched this, was that the sound of heartbeat before Till begun to sing, was accelerating rapidly, symbolizing Till's unstable emotions after Mizi's disappearance and after everything he went through in Alien Stage. But when it was Ivan's turn to sing, the heartbeat was steady and calm, as if showing Ivan's firm resolve towards Till, consistent and not waning, showing that Ivan knows what he has to do. And he is confident to sacrifice himself, if it means Till, the 'object of his shallow emotions', can live. Because just like Mizi who makes Till's life meaningful, Till is the one who makes Ivan's life meaningful in the Alien Stage. Death and anything else means nothing to Ivan if it means that 'rebellious boy' he loves could go to the next round.
Ok now im crying
What’s so heartbreaking about Ivan strangling Till to save him, is the symbol of Ivan taking off Till’s collar that has shown up so many times throughout the series. In their backstory, we see Ivan taking off Till’s restraints on multiple occasions, especially the collar over his mouth. He does it back in Ankat Garden when they make their escape attempt, and he’s shown doing it in the flashback in this episode as well. While the aliens want to stifle Till’s chaotic and rebellious nature, Ivan loves that part about Till, and he wants to free him from his bindings, no matter how loud and violent he can sometimes be. But, when Mitzi disappeared, Till lost his rebellious spirit. As he sings during this round he looks defeated, hopeless, with no fight left to give. Ivan can’t stand for that. He has to help Till get his spirit back, no matter the cost. By Ivan’s final act being strangling Till, what he’s really doing is taking of his collar. He reaches for Till’s neck, for the hundredth time, for the last time, intent, as always, to free Till from the aliens. And when his hands fall away, Till is free -free from the fate that awaited him, and maybe, just maybe, with Ivan’s death, Till can regain his rebellious spirit again.
Stop, you’re gonna make me cry
stop.
I hadn't thought of the parallel between choking and he being constantly the one to remove Till's collar and muzzle.
Thank you for the renewed pain, I'll got to sleep crying again
I LOVE THIS OBSERVATION SM ARGGG
But why did Ivan have to die? I hope Till loved Ivan a little bit. I think Ivan was loved by the aliens and that's why he could be saved. If that happens, I hope they will be together.
The tragic thing for me was seeing how far Ivan has gone to keep Till safe. He literally disguised himself as a security guard to get Till out of that bar. I can only imagine the other things he’s done. I believe that’s the whole reason why he became the fan favorite. He knew being loved by the aliens would give him more freedom to protect and keep Till alive. As the favorite, he had to go through horrifying things but it was all worth it if it meant Till was still there. Truly, Ivan is the best character for me.
THIS
YEAH! Ivan already done so many for Till, just showing how much he loves him 😭 It's break my heart that Till finally look at him in the last moment of his life :')))
Till is the Mizi to his Till
FR I LOVE HIM SM
disguised at the bar? i think it was an afterparty and ivan was just there with his own guardian like till was.
so i've been rewatching the rounds and i realized something. in round 5 when mizi starts beating the shit out of luka, the guards come and pull her off of him, wrangle her away, and only after all that just START to point a gun at her head. but because of all that, the resistance had time to come in and save her.
so when ivan started doing the same thing, they began shooting him down immediately. because if they didn't, it would give the resistance time to come in and save him, and they don't want that to happen again.
that's why none of the guards approached. they would rather kill him quickly than give opportunity for saving 😭
I just noticed this too. A really neat but really sad detail...
no😭😭 i already cried but this... just hurts man
it can also be that luka is more well liked than till, and they were ok with till getting roughed up
Thank you I am now going to cry myself to sleep /j
I don't think so, in round 1 they kill Sua Instantly. Maybe last time was just a lucky big mistake
Ivan's alive. Ivan's alive. Ivan's alive. Ivan's alive. I WATCHED THIS FOR LIKE THE 30TH TIME IM CRYING HELP
how do you feel about the final round
Real hes 100% alive I just got married to him a few weeks ago 🙏
IVAN'S ALIVE TRUST
Till and Ivan ALIVE! yet in heaven :3
hola
Ivan basically said: “you can live without me, but I can’t live without you” 😭
nooo now your making me cry again 😭
Stoooop 😭😭😭
😭💔
whyy 😭😭😭
Aaah crying 😭
When you realise the shine in Ivan's eyes was gone when he was choking and kissing Till, but it came back when he saw Till's score go up and at the end when he knew that Till was gonna live and go to the next round
I’m gonna cry
Sobbing
Stoppp 😭😭😭😭
All that for Till to not live _past_ the next round-
@myfictionaluniverse Fr
Everyones saying that Till is singing like he's given up but like can we talk about how Ivan sings?
He's confident and determined because he knows what he has to do😭
And the fact he was winning too.. Gosh
@@akinmedarda😭😭
NO CAUSE IT MADE ME FEEL SO LIKE STRESS OUT LIKE WHEN I HEARD TILL SING THE FIRST TIME
Like this was a major jump from his original song, disobeying in like every conceivable manner like he sang the whole part without letting the other guy sing, he killed the guitar alien all with a smirk and passion on his face. He sang with more passion and intensity in his voice and the majority was in English (I don’t think that’s really apart of it I just find it neat). However now he’s quite the opposite. He is singing like how Alien stage is intended to be sung, the genre and tone of the song is completely different than the previous song. While his voice is still really good it lacks the same spark the original song has since it was a huge shift. I know a lot of people point out how Till dresses like if he was going to a funeral and Ivan to wedding.
But I also want to point out how different their wardrobes are from the original songs.
In Round 2 till was wearing a white loose t-shirt with [not too] loose pants. He also had no shoes which again I feel was meant to show his rebellious nature. Again his current appearance is the opposite a tucked in? (Could be wrong) black shirt that is now missing any design that the last one had. As well as the tight black pants, it’s more form-fitting like he has decided to con”form” with alien stage ever since mizi disappeared. While it’s obvious that he lost his spark and is going through grief and depression because of it the I like how the a simple black outfit can reflect that.
Now on to Ivan’s outfit. The most clear difference between his previous and current outfit is the color, from black to white. However there is more about his outfit is that it was constricted I am unsure on what exactly it is (belt?) however now In round 6 those restrictions are no longer seen on him. His current outfit is (recycling the same thing i said about till) except Ivan’s outfit is less form fitting, looser reflecting that he no has anything else to hide because he already knows he will die (he definitely had this planned out) it’s much asymmetrical and has more flow in comparison to his previous outfit.
I absolutely adore how Vivinos designs the characters and their outfits to reflect the state they’re in.
The pain to realize that ivan sacrifice himself for till so he can live happily bro i cant stop sobbing 😭🙏🏽
I had no clue about what Alien Stage was and just binged watched it.
Why am I crying and HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SLEEP NOW?!
real, binge watched the whole series in one night, now i need therapy😭
Same
What order do u watch it in and where I'm confused
@@nonafie
The series has been waiting for me in my tabs for months now..... 💀💀💀I cried
Notice how Till's neck doesn't even have marks of choking? That means Ivan was just holding his hands on his neck, not even trying to hurt him... God, I'm crying...
와....😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
So does that mean that Ivan was faking the whole choking part so he would be disqualified?
@@rat_5219 yes 😭
Yeah@@rat_5219
OMGGG TYSM NOW THE TEARS JUST WONT STOPP 😭😭😭😭
I think one of the saddest things about this is how when we see Till’s pov Ivan is never in it, but when we see Ivan’s pov Till is EVERYWHERE. Every other person or face is not important like Till is to Ivan, meanwhilr Till doesn’t even SEE Ivan. And he knew, he knew his love wasn’t reciprocated, it’s so clear in his lyrics too 😭😭 I feel like Ivan knew he was going to die the second he turned back to go with Til…. ((I JUST REALIZED THE FIRSY TIME HE ‘SEES’ IVAN IS AFTER HIS NECK IS LET GO AND IVAN LOOKS SO HAPPY RAHHH IM NOT OK))
THIS. UNTIL THE END TILL ONLY SEES MIZI. I'm devastated
@@chuuwuyal2272we are so not ok lets all hold hands in alien stage heaven
WAHHHHH
he finally saw him but it's too late rip
@@pulped69dago91STOP DONT SAY THIS MY HEART😭😭😭
I just noticed this but-
During his first song Till sang a determined love song, while Ivan sang a sorrowful song. Now Ivan is singing a determined love song, while Till is singing a sorrowful song.
STOPPP 😭😭🙏
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!😭😭😭😭😭😭
GURLL WHYYY IM SOBBINNGGGG
BYEEE 😭😭
😭
Love the detail at 4:01 where the rain kind of sound like clapping from the crowd.
YESS
It reminds me of Suguru while he was carrying Riko and after while he was taking a shower, the cult follower’s claps turning into rain and the rain turning back into those same claps 😭😭😭
There's something truly sad about how Till tries to push Ivan away when he kisses him, but just goes limp when Ivan starts choking him. For a character that's always seen fighting back, when his best friend seemingly tried to kill him, he just accepted it. I think Till went into this competition with the expectation that he would lose, maybe even hoping he would lose since now the only thing that made life worth it to him (Mizi) was gone. Then, his realization of what Ivan did, the fact that Ivan must've felt for him what he felt towards Mizi - that Till dying would've made life pointless for Ivan...
El sol no necesita de la luna para brillar. Sua e Ivan no podrian reponerse de la perdida de sus amigos
STOPPP IM GONNA BITE U 😭😭
Im wondering if luca will try to provoke till the same way he provoked mizi, since he sees this as a way to secure victory. And i wanna see how till would react to that
@@totoro413 Fr, since Till is not in a good mental state the way Mizi was when the competition. I can only hope Hyuna will save Till too.
@@totoro413i don't (fully) think Luka would do that, especially since he seems to be kinda tired of winning. There could even be a chance of him working with the rebellion because of how he acted when he noticed Hyuna helping Mizi on Round 5
Idk if this detail was intentional, but Ivan looks like a groom getting married, and Till looks like he's going to a funeral. Maybe the same could be extended to Mizi and Sua.
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
THE HELL I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AT FIRST
OH MY GOD
ITS MIZISUA ALL OVER AGAIJ
HOLY?? GOOD OBSERVATION THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT ONE OUT
The fact that Ivan only smiles at the end once he knows Till is safe 😭 He doesn’t smile while kissing the person he loves but only after he’s sure Till would live 🥹 I am not okay
Can I tell you about my Oc for Alien Stage? This idea, kinda has been done before. Especially with the original Macross Anime. But hear me out though . What if the male character I'm making who loves Ivan back , is half Alien and half human . But he was exiled from society . I know this is a mess but it's a draft idea so far . We haven't seen half human, half alien characters in Alien Stage. And I think it would be interesting. I haven't decided how Ivan and my Oc will meet yet. But I want Ivan to have a guy who loves him too. I think Ivan will teach my Oc what it means to be human . I was a bit inspired by the original Macross Anime and it's movie Do You Remember Love? And Gunslinger Girl / Violet Evergarden for making my Oc. I named him Noah . What do you think? 👀
Also I'm very much coping right now so forgive me of my crazy ideas. I really hope Ivan is alive.
이 해석도 진짜 좋다… 마지막에 웃는게 사랑하는 사람이 살아있을거라고 확신을 가질 수 있어서였구나 ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
No lo ví de esa forma, ahora procederé a llorar más 🥲
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this is the only alien stage round that actually made me cry. i’ve analyzed it so many times because it just hurts watching it and i know that’s what makes it so good
Same
Love how the first couple of kisses Ivan gives to till are aggressive and the last one is a sweet little kiss.
I think it’s to make the guards think that he’s being super aggressive to be sacrificed and the last little kiss is like a confession and goodbye at the same time🤷♂️
@@Meowzers_3DAAAAAMN.
@@Meowzers_3ain’t no way stop making me cry rn
SHUT UP UR MAKING ME CRYY
@@Meowzers_3 STOOOP I DON'T WANNA CRY BRO
It's the "you wont realize how much they truly loved you til it's too late" trope that breaks me :( PLEASE LET HIM MIRACULOUSLY BE ALIVE BRUH I CANT TAKE IT
Notice how Ivan's body is shown we might still have hope. Sua's body wasn't shown in her and Mizi's round, so she's dead asf (let me cope i am coping im nkt entirely really sure if ivan will miraculously come out from his grave, BUT LET ME COPE)
Being delulu is sometimes not the solulu guys 😭
ONG I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE WHY SO SAD😭🙏
"you wont realized how they truly loved you,Till its too late."
It would be such a waste if a good character were killed off just like that. There's still a chance that he'll live; just trust 😭
I could write a whole essay about how beautiful and morbid “TILL WIN” being reflected in Ivan’s blood is.
theres a lyric in Black Sorrow about a pool of blood IM CRYING THE FORSHADOWING
@@anotherstranger1273 OMG I saw that too, this series is gonna be the death of me ;-;
MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS MORBID???
I want this on my desk first thing tomorrow morning
@anotherstranger1273 Also Everytime the lyrics "end of this story" appear it all shows Till in the scene and in both of those times that line appeared, the line that comes next fits well with Ivans "death"
2:05 여기서 틸이 왤케 화를 내나 했더니 미지 화관 만들어 주려 했던걸 이반이 일부러 밟아서 그런거구나 이반은 틸이 미지에게 화관을 선물해주는게 싫어서 일부러 밟은거고..
네, 꽃에 카메라가 설치되어 있거든요.
헐@@KheeseStiicks
Something that i realised is how Till says "Let me drown in you" (0:51) to Mizi because he loves and adore Mizi, but she isn't interested in him which makes him crave that love from her even more. He wants to drown in her love but he cant because her love wasnt meant for him, it was meant for Sua. Ivan on the other hand says "I'll drown in you" (2:20) indicating that he can and WILL drown in his love for Till. "Drowning" in this case implies that he'll lose himself the deeper he goes. So this means he'll willingly love Till, even if it means he will lose himself in the process.
OH YOU ARE VILE FOR POINTING THIS OUT. IM NEVER GONNA KNOW PEACEFUL REST EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS. (/pos thank u for giving me another thing to think about at night)
Fun fact! (It's not a fun fact I'm on the brink of tears) The Korean word used in "drown" when translated literally can also mean to dye, to color, to infect, or to *taint.* Till's literally singing "Let me be tainted by you," and Ivan's literally singing "Let me taint you,"
PELASE STOP IM ALREADY HEART BROKEN AFTER READING OTHER COMMENTS WHY MUST THIS ONE MAKE EM CRY AGAIN
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SHUT THE HELL UPP
Vivinos really said "Your favorite ship gets to kiss, but its the most unsatisfying and uncomfortable one-sided kiss ever and it only happens because one of them wants go out with no regrets."
😭
Fr. The way the my mouth DROPPED
She’s out to get us for real, lmao. Killing everyone for fun and ruining the silver linings 😩
SOBBING RIGHT NOW😭😭😭
@JohnThefarmer-ig8um Listening to a bot won’t bring Ivan back 😭
the fact that in the first round Mizi wore a black dress and Sua a white dress and in the sixth round Till wears a black outfit and Ivan wears a white outfit represents that, Ivan and Sua died in peace for the person they loved while Till and Mizi they will mourn their sacrifice...
STAWP😭😭😭 MY HEART CANT ANYMORE. WHY DID I HAVE TO SEE THIS 😭😭
ACTUALLY ABOUT TO BREAK DOWN IN TEARS. AGAIN.
Why am I still scrolling through these comments 😭
WHAT A GOOD FUCKING READDDDD WOW THATS WILD🤯🤯🤯🤯
IT'S ALWAYS THE FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE PAIRS 😭😭😭
''Please notice my pain and mend me right now.'' He didn't even know that Till loved him 70%. He viewed him as a close friend like, family
Ivan is the true Gigachad of the story, he got what he wanted (made Till aware of his feelings) and sacrificed himself in order to protect who he loved, his black sorrow.
feeling kinda a little too dead inside atm after watching but ngl this comment made me actually chuckle & feel a bit better especially the "his black sorrow" at the end lol like ah so true, you shall be forever slay icon Ivan, our King (doomed) Yaoi the third 🤧😭🖤
@@mizisuamyuniverse 😂 king of doomed bl
YUPPP HES THE GOAT
For real😢😢😢
he's my favorite character in this
It’s the way that at the end, after the painfully one sided kiss and the “choking” (which even if till wasn’t actually being choked it’s still painful to have someone grab your neck like that) Ivan gives one last small, gentle kiss knowing it’s the last thing he’ll ever do right before he dies
Ive rewatched this too many times
@@Betonryn literally me too im so sad augh
I was waiting to see if anyone else saw it! Dude I swear PLEASE let Sua and Ivan be alive or else I swear on my life I will commit arson
@@PatientSqueaky I aspire for your level of delusionality 😭 I don’t think they making it outta this one all we can do is hope that Mizi doesn’t get caught and that round 7 doesn’t have a death
@@PatientSqueaky FOR REAL
i noticed that during till’s last line before the kiss, he’s actually not singing (2:58), meaning he was purposefully trying to lose, and when ivan noticed this he made sure till would win by acting “aggressively” on stage 🥲
You know, if you compared Ivan's performance in black swan to here, Ivan sang less emotionally here. What I theorised was that the more emotions you put in your singing, the higher points you will get. Cause if you were to hear closely when till was singing, when he thought of sua his voice got raspier. Ivan's voice was similarly like that in black Swan when he started thinking of till. Ivan wanted to throw the entire performance all along by singing more monotonously. Then at the end, till gave up, like what you pointed out. Ivan doubled down and did the choking act, but probably kissed him first because fuck it all right?
I am crying my ass out 😭
@@onigiri8125 Black swan??? Sua??? Bro what au of alnst are you watching
@@onigiri8125 the kiss also probably seemed like Ivan suffocating Till if they didn't know human gestures 🥲
@@onigiri8125realest thing ever
3:14 when Ivan pulled away from the kiss, there is still light in Till's eyes and it feels like he's seeing Ivan's real feelings for the first time which is probably why he looks kind of shocked and confused. But the light disappears when Ivan held his neck 3:25. I feel like he had an idea of Ivan's feelings for the first time but he disposed this idea quickly when he thought Ivan was going to unalive him. Till thought that Ivan truly wanted to win and k word him.
3:43 but the shine returns when Ivan's hold in his neck loosens. I interpret this as him having hope that Ivan didn't truly want to unalive him.
IVANTILL KISS AT WHAT COST 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
EVERYTHING 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
MY SANITY
"YAYYYYYY--OH JESUS CHRIST IVAN NOOO😭"
IM GOING TO SOB FOR AGES
MY METAL STATE.
I know people keep saying we don't see any trace of Ivan in Till's eyes until it was already too late, but I think it's more tragic to point out that we do see Till 'see' Ivan during his section. When they were kids, when Ivan had no light in his eyes. So, I think it'a more appropriate to say that the end was more like the first time Till ever saw the light in Ivan's eyes and been able realize that that light had always been for him.
i have nothing to say this comment made me weep 😭
I am not mentally stable enough for this (thank you for the analysis)
STOP IT .
You’re just making my pain worse, oh gosh
Stop, please stoppp making me cry
The fact that he looked at the score machine to make sure Till's points would be more than his and then kissed him one last time MAKES IT EVEN MORE HEARTBREAKING LIKE WHY DONT YOU JUST STAB ME IN THE HEART INSTEAD OF KILLING ME LIKE THIS 😭
And the relief on his face when he knew till would win-
AKUTAGAWA PFP SPOTTED
STOPP
I hate this
😭 pienso lo mismo 😢
There can be winter without snow, but snow cant exist without winter.
Given T-T
You know shit is going to be fucked up when the simple art style is suddenly more detailed
Seriously
emo till 😣
fr
Tbh i think its qmeng doing the job
Qmeng cooked, she graduated from the sciences of yaoitology together with Vivinos yuritology
Whoever mentioned that the light returned in Ivan’s eyes after he knew for sure that he succeeded COUNT YOUR DAYS
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING ABT THIS I HATE YOU SM IM IN YOUR WALLS😡😭💔💔😭
I just checked after reading your comment. APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW 😭😭😭
I BATE YOU SO MCUH
NO I LITERALLY JUST STOPPED CRYING WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS
I REWATCHED IT AND YOU'RE RIGHT I HATE YOU SO MUCH😭😭
Can we talk about how Till's final score is 89 and in Round 3, when Ivan wasn't self-sabotaging, his was 90? One point difference. Again. The parallels to Mizi and Sua are endless. I'm so tired Vivinos, what about my mental health? Huh? I've got exams coming up and all I can think of is these two little bastards. I miss you so much Ivan.
😢😢😢
SAME..
I have my final exams and MAN I WANNA *** DIEEEE
Good luck on your exams y’all
SAME😭
I'm crying, this kiss is the only 'passionate' act we had in Alien Stage at the moment, and it so beautiful... Thank you VIVINOS, it hurts though ...
it’s the fact that ivan holds on until the last bullet hits that makes me go crazy…
he knew that if he let go on the first bullet, the aliens would have just saved him. so he kept pushing until the point of no return…and that’s why when the final killing bullet hits he smiles immediately before letting go…
ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ
Im cryingg😭😭😭
ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ😢😢😢😢 i am crying...
Don't do this to me
oooooooooooooooo😦😦😦😦😦😭
As the saying goes “to be loved is to be seen” IVAN was never seen by Till in his memory flashbacks☹️ but Till was everywhere in IVAN’s memories 😭
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME THINK ABOUT THIS STOP
STOP Now I'm crying again 😭😭😭
ongoing traffic here i come 😹😹😹
WHY R U DOING THIS
Ivan is the only character not seen in aneyone memory . While every character had someone they considered thear god and their beloved , Ivan is the only unloved mf . Btw does aneyone know how to tie an rope?
He wasn't choking him since there were no marks visibly left. Ivan was trying to save Till by doing that. I'm crying..
WHHUSBUHS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS FOR ME? PLS, IM A LITTLE BIT SLOW
@@TheLawlessRogue People are theorizing that Ivan's doing a special type of chokehold where he's holding Till's neck from the sides instead of the front so that makes it seem like he's choking Till without actually hurting him. And he did all that to guarantee Till's victory.
Si, estoy segura de que Ivan noto que Till iba a perder y lo asfixio para salvarlo, por eso las balas eran dociles, porque eran de advertencia para que parara 😭
@@TheLawlessRogue he was doing it so his score would go down and then Till would win
Till’s score was already higher than his though?
1:44 this part is giving me heartache. Ivan was singing for till, but till never realized it's for him:(
Я думаю, он осознал это после раунда. Так что Иван донёс до него свои чувства ❤
THE LITTLE SMOOCH IVAN GIVE TO TILL BEFORE DIYING AS A FREAKIN FAREWELL TO THEN START "CHOKING" HIM SO HIS OWN POINTS DOWN AND ALSO HIS BELOVED AND FRIEND DOESN'T SEE HIM BE SHOT TO DEATH JUST BREAKS MY SOUL 😭😭
IKRRR I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT BCUZ IM LIKE I CANT BE THE ONLY ONE
He wasn't even choking him because there were no marks on Till's neck 😭 He made it look like he was choking him so he'd get eliminated.
@@Everlasting_Peace1 WOOW I DIDNT NOTICE THAT
I AM GONE.
FR I CRY
I didn't even notice that Til stopped singing until I listened to the official video from Studio LICO. In this video you can hear him sing in the audio but if you watch his lips he stopped. That's why Ivan acted when he did, otherwise Til would have lost then and there.
STOP THIS, I CANT TAKE ANYMORE! I’ve cried way too much bc of them already 😭
AAAHH WAIT YOURE RIGHT I DIDNT EVEN CATCH THAT…... oh im so sick of *course* he stepped in then
I had to rewatch to catch it!
Although in this case it's probably like that, in previous rounds it also seems to be that voice ≠ animation
@@escolastica2926 also because the song is cut short here. The Studio LICO version has another couple of verses that they didn’t get to cause Til stopped.
i'd just like to point out the fact that ivan fell in love with till because of his rebellious attitude and his spirit, when he fought against that monster dog thing when he they were still kids at the episode for round three. and the fact that part of till had only shone out because mizi was there with him, presumably wanting to protect mizi by fighting back against the monster. i think ivan finally really starts to understand the extent of how much till loves mizi when he saw that till had no fighting spirit left in him to fight back when he choked him. to me, it wordlessly told ivan that he fell in love with the rebellious fire of a boy that was ignited by someone else. that till's hope was mizi, and that the fire would extinguish alongside her disappearance. that fight in till was never for ivan to fall in love with, it was for and because of the hope he gets from mizi.
AHHHHHH GOD THIS COMMENT HURT 😭😭😭 good analysis oh my god
Omg that's such a good theory
you just tore my heart out with this omg
you are so fucking right YOU ARE RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHTTTT
That's a really good analysis! It really change my view on this video😭
Till and Ivan shared both each other’s first and last kiss ❤ 😭
3:34 I can’t help but feel that Ivan is not just making sure that they keep shooting him, but his expression is just desperation to have Till look at him one last time.
☹️
He got what he wanted…at the very end….
honestly, I bet a lot of thoughts were running through his head there in just that one frame. ivan fell in love with till for his rebellious spirit, and now he’s watching him just give up without a fight. and that’s after he DID fight when ivan was kissing him. till would literally rather die than kiss him back. god this whole mv is heartbreaking
No🫸😭🫷
ok but how the second kiss feels much more genuine. Like after he checks the scores he gives him a short gentle one that feels both like a reassurance and a goodbye. Since Ivan tends to always look out for him in the past I guess thats how his genuine emotions shows up more. And that's when Till looks calm, really sees him and fully embrace him and the situation.
IKR that’s exactly what I was thinking bc ofc the first kiss was a shock to till but the second time is exactly how you describe it
That small and tender kiss at 3:23 is such a painful yet beautiful detail. It feels like a last declaration of pure love, a goodbye and confession at the same time. I teared up at that moment.
I notice too! 😭
if i've counted properly , it looks like ivan gave till 3 kisses ?
@@crowquettic5 times actually-
3:07
3:11
3:14
3:19 (I'm assuming that this is a kiss-)
3:23
@@zuki_gnj AAA THANK YOU !! i see what you mean , thank you random protagonist !
@@crowquettic I've watched this scene too much, I guess that's why I noticed immediately😭. Anyway you're welcome fellow Ivantill shipper! (I'm assuming you're one🙏)
i will die on the hill that ivan forced the kiss on till because he knew he wouldnt get to say goodbye properly and till was frozen and kept trying to push ivan to sing so that he may live
The hypocrisy of Ivan for mocking Sua for sacrificing her life for mizi, just for him to do the same
I knew he would do the same 😭 he said all that cuz he knew well that till only sees mizi, and if he dies, it won't affect till as much as sua did to mizi (is what ivan thinks at least ,in my opinion T*T) cuz mizi actually loves sua
Where did Ivan say about sua sacrificing herself?
Community post but it's in Korean tho@@pigeonpiupiu
@@pigeonpiupiu it's in the community post!
@@OhOhriyo_11which one if i may ask
I find Till's development in this clip very interesting. You can see here that he's given up. He is the first to stop singing, he barely resists Ivan during the kiss. It's such a stark contrast to the first clip. Till from the past could put up a fight, but he doesn't now. Till is so devastated.
On the cotrust, seeing Ivan's eagerness to fight for every bit of attention from Till, and his immense strength for self-sacrifice really breaks my heart.
this.
Yeah, and he's like that because Mizi disappeared. In the first clip she was almost next to him and basically the song was dedicated to her. Now, with her missing, he feels like he has nothing to lose anymore and I find this pretty interesting since we know that Mizi loved Sua and showed no interest in Till. He's so in love with her and devoted it hurts...
Something I noticed about Ivan is that I feel like, whenever Till looked like he was feeling down or looked like he was on the verge of giving up, Ivan would do things to purposefully grate on tills nerve in order to get him to fight. I think he did that because he fell in love with Till and his fighting spirit and never wanted to see it die out. I feel like it's also part of the reason why he kissed Till during the competition as well. Because of Mizi being gone, he looked like he was on the verge of giving up and Ivan didn't want that. Granted I'm just speculating, but it feels like a common theme.
wow, i agree! just noticed that. maybe he had mutipple plans an intentions behind the kiss and strangling. making sure he would get disqualified, trying to make till mad and keep fighting..
You make me sick I want to cry
wait i have question why did ivan choke till even tho till got a higher score than ivan
@@swaggooo9638 I personally feel like it was, again, in part to incentivse Till to fight back like he always did. Possibly a wrong interpretation, but that's my perspective. I also know it's quite likely he wanted the score to stay the same so that he would be the one killed.
Ivan died for Till..😢
it’s been 8 months. ivan is alive. ivan is alive. ivan is alive. ivan is alive.
Notice how starting from 2:54 of the vid, Ivan's eye lack those glint or white stuff on his eye, they only came back when, FIRST, when he was looking at the scores. Then SECOND, when he was shot for the last time.
Notice how he lacked those glint while kissing Till. It's as if he wanted Till to hate him even more, so that the ending can be less painful.
Notice how, even with the cold demeanor and forcing Till, at the end, he was able to be relieved that the person he loves most got to live.
That even then, Ivan managed to show who he really is to Till before dying.
Just like in Black Sorrow, Ivan's mask broke because of Till, and in the end, Ivan's end, it was still Till who broke that mask of his. Only Till.
STOP YOU’RE MAKING ME SOB
im sure you also suffered typing this comment as much as i have suffered and cried soooo much reading this. bet it was like :
'notice...*sobsobsob* how even, *cries*'
It felt a lot like ivan was trying to make till hate him even more so till would remember him, kinda like how it was hinted that sua originally was going to sacrifice herself for mizi to save mizi and also so mizi would remember her
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@msk-qp6fn hits hard when you remember the community post where Ivan talks to Sua about being selfish and sacrificing herself because Ivan sAYS to her "you'll be a traumatic experience to Mizi"
he knows Till doesn't love him, nor even look at him even when Mizi isn't around, but he still plays up his cold persona so Till doesn't pity Ivan when he dies- which knows he will. Ivan doesn't want any good memories attached to him in Till's mind so that Till can continue fighting and live on with no heartbreak.
The Fact that Ivan was born on 14 Feb (velentine's day) yet was remained deprived of love.
That’s the day he was adopted I believe, not his real birthday
@@villager96 can't confirm it as it's not mentioned there that if it's his adoption date or birth date. Still can be consider as bday. *Edit* : it's confirmed it's his birthday the lastest community poll post about character profile says "birthday: 0214".
@@RB_kun40567 maybe he hates that date because it’s the day he was adopted by ugly aliens 🥶
@@villager96 could be
@@RB_kun40567 why would you edit your comment though? Didn’t you say something like 'we can still consider it to be his birthday'? And no, when they were tweeting about the birthdays of the characters, everyone had birthday besides the date except him, who had *adoption* day instead. They never said what his birthday was, probably because it’s supposed to be unknown.
틸 점수높은거 확인하고 다정하게 키스하는거 미쳤나. 그때까지도 틸은 당연히 자기가 질 줄 알고 있었겠지. 이반 팬들이 압도적으로 많으니까. 그래서 목이 졸리는 순간까지도 자기가 진 줄 알고 죽을 준비하는데 틸 눈치못채게 이반은 총 맞으면서도 놔주질 않았고 나중에 틸이 이반 쓰러진 거 보고 상황파악하는게 맴찢임. 마지막 순간에서야 틸은 이반의 수 많은 배려 중 하나를 알아챘겠지..쓰발 너무 슬퍼...
ㅠㅠ해석 너무 슬퍼요ㅠ
ㅠㅠ
가슴이 오억오천갈래로 찢어져~~~
@@this_is_sangcom오조오억 갈래로 찢어져 ㅠㅠ
제발요 이게 자해지 씨발... 오열중...
Stoppp, the way Ivan’s expression softens when he spits blood😭😭
STP ITTTT
Bros just glad that his plan worked sucessfully of sacrificing himself for someone he loves 😭😭
BROOOO A TEAR APPEARED WHEN HE REALIZED HIS PLAN SUCCEEDED (WHEN HE GETS SHOT AND SPITS BLOOD, WHEN HIS GAZE SOFTENS)
HOW COME I ONLY KNEW ABT THIS KNOW AGHHHHHHHH, I THOUGHT THE ONLY ONE WHO CRIED WAS TILL. TURNS OUT THEY BOTH CRIED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Count your days, Vivinos... ☹☹☹☹
SHUT UP IM CRYING JST FOR THAT SCENE
For some reason Ivan kissing Till is absolutely obliterating my heart, cause Ivan knows that his feelings aren't truly reciprocated, but he still kisses the one he is devoted to with such passion before sacrificing himself for that person - super painful 😭
That’s why Ivan’s my favorite😔
Ivantill kiss at the cost of ivan 😕
NOOOOOO I'M GONNA KAY EM ES 😭😭😭
It's ok mentally they're alive and well + married
@@ducky_2309 my dreams are just dreams😫😭😭
Ok but nobody talking about Till’s vocals???????? He had already shown a more soft vocal in Clematis but THIS 😭 he sounds so tired and broken
Edit: Also the fact that Ivan sounds so composed in comparison to Black sorrow where he lowkey snapped at the end, He was so sure of what he was about to do, bro I cannot with this
Both voice actors were on a mission to DESTROY us
Hearing Till not singing violently and more to soft voice is just so..🥹 bit to add that Till look really dead in his eyes,he really had enough of this things(he even accept ivan choked him and not even fights back😭)
Especially at 2:48 I keep listening to it on loop it’s really a change from the past round
right!! i love akugetsu’s voice so much
@@irazzx._1312FR, ngl for a second there I really though that Ivan was going to make both of them die together
@@1987_wav THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO!💀
아 진짜 이건 아니잖아... 진짜 과장 하나도 안 하고 이반 생각할 때마다 눈물 나옴...ㅠㅜㅠㅜㅠ 제발 행복하게 살아줘...
IVAN SMILED AT THE END WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS DYING AND THAT MEANT TILL WOULD LIVE AND THAT ENOUGH MADE HIM HAPPY EVEN WHILE DYING I AM IN SHAMBLES
edit: guys my notifs please, i know what happens next i'm still in recovery ok....... 😭
WAIT OMG I JUST REALISED THAT HE'S HAPPY BECAUSE HE'S GONNA DIE INSTEAD OF TILL OMG IMMA CRY IN CORNER
STOP IT I'M ALREADY CRYING HARD ENOUGH
I'm literally shaking I'm not okay.
@@pigeonpiupiu I'm crying in my bathroom.
I think it's also because for once Till looked at Ivan in the eyes. It's sad though that in his last moments Ivan is finally in Tills eyeline, yet would never have the same impact as Mizi.
even in the acrylic standee merch, till isn't looking at ivan, but ivan is looking at till...
Stop im tired of crying 😭😭
This is breaking me 😿
PLEASE SHUT IT I WANT TO MOVE ONN
BRO I knew I wasn’t the only one who noticed that 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I almost started crying again
Dude enough 😭 I can't
can we just talk about how much emotion Ivans eyes had at 3:40 normally his eyes don't have highlights which makes him feel inhumane but as soon as he realizes he's actually going to die his eyes become more human
I read a theory that his eyes finally lit up only after he realized his plan worked and Till would have a chance to win and be safe and live- now I'm crying-
I mean the first time we see Ivan he scored a 90 but in this round he only scored a 70 he definitely sacrificed himself for Till
@@Haz3l.Sa1yeah i was thinking that was probably the case too. if i loved someone as much as ivan did i wouldn’t be scared to die. i’d be happy that i was able to get the person i love to live
i think the reason till closed his eyes when ivan started 'choking' him wasnt because he was actually being choked, but i think its because he lost all hipe of living. since we already know till most likely loves mizi, finding out she went missing wouldve been dreadful for him. so when ivan grabbed his neck, even though he wasnt actually being strangled he lost all hope and thought he was gonna die. I think thats also probably why he looked shocked when ivan let go of his neck and got shot, as he was prepared to die himself, not for ivan to die!!!!!!!!
not only till doesn't think about ivan at all, but he doesn't look at him ONCE until he's physically forced to.
even in ivan's flashbacks he only looks at ivan when he's provoked (when they have a fight, when ivan touches his wound)
speaking of that fight they have...
(2:03) ivan seems particularly happy. i wonder if it's because till is paying attention to him for once.
even the lyrics go "notice my pain"
yea I don't think Till likes Ivan
@@Bright_Berry-Roi They’re friends, as shown in the flashbacks, but he obviously has/had romantic feelings for Mizi.
@@Bright_Berry-Roiit's clear, I think Ivan is just there in till's life, he finally saw/notice Ivan at the end. It's always when they die they realise 😭
@@Bright_Berry-Roi nobody thinks that lol but it's more obvious since it's the first time we see them together in present time. it's not just that till can't spare ivan a thought, he can't even spare him a glance. it's like ivan is a ghost, which is a sharp contrast to how obsessive ivan is about till.
it's also interesting how the till-mizi unrequited love feels a lot more innocent compared to ivan-till. it's probably because till is much less touchy and much more respectful, and also has other interests/things he cares about
@@inkcat7idk what u mean with "nobody thinks that" but I'm sure most do with the flashback and all.
But yes sure that doesn't mean they are friends, maybe to till but I doubt that. Ivan is just there in till's life.
IVAN MADE HIMSELF LOSE, LOSING HIS OWN SINGING TIME JSUT TO KISS TILL ONE LAST TIME.
you say one last time like they’ve kissed before THIS IS THEIR FIRST AND LAST KISS IM GOING TO THROW UP
WE BELIEVE IN IVAN SURVIVING
STOP IM BAWLING MY EYES OUT😭😭
LUCKILY! To be honest: no matter the tragedy, forced kisses are s* assault. Made me hurl to watch it. He is lucky it had a point
@@leroyjenkins1249I mean granted with the situation they’re in I don’t think their morality can compare to us on that lvl. They were raised by aliens that saw them as literal pets. Tho I get what you mean.
You can tell from Till's expression throughout that he had in a way accepted his fate and expecting to die this round - but he wasn't scared... he probably saw it as finally being released from this torment. What he didn't know, however, is that Ivan would never let that happen 😭
he was literally choking him..?
He was sacrificing himself for Ivan, there is a right way to strangulate someone without intending to murder and that is exactly what he did, because he wanted to be disqualified to save Ivan.@@nejy44
@@nejy44there are no marks on tolls neck from choking, Ivan was likely just holding his neck
@@hannah5021 i saw other comments saying the same thing but i dont think it was an intentional detail bcs why would ivan pretend choke till? wanting him to die with him makes more sense to me, especially bcs he kisses him first, sees that he lost and then starts choking him. also its weird to just be holding someone by their neck??
@@nejy44because you'll be killed if you harm your opponent I think, seen in round 5
まって今までの中で一番泣けたんだけど
you can really hear it in their voices, till’s voice is trembling and full of raw emotion and desperation, but ivan’s is steady, calm, determined. like he knows what he has to do. IM CRYING
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What I noticed, what I understood and how I interpreted this.
1.- In the first seconds of this round we hear the beatings of a heart while we watch different moments of Tills life and the experiments that he has endured, almost like he is watching his life pass in front of his eyes. He expects to die at the end of this round and when his actual face is revealed it shows how everything he has gone through is finally taking a toll on him (of course this happens after his reason to live is no where to be found, without Mizi he doesn’t see a reason to move forward).
2.- When he starts singing and the picture behind him shows we can notice the differences between his personality now and how it was back when mizi was “alive”, he is clearly boring the audience as they all look at him with an unimpressed gaze (also, he is competing against a fan favorite). And the phrase “ I don’t want to let you go” makes reference to mizi. Every single line he sings and almost every memory makes reference to her and to her death, Till genuinely thinks he is dead without her.
3.-Then we get the first and only memory of Ivan. From Till’s perspective we get that both of them got into a fight when they were kids and the gaze that Ivan used to look at Till is rather…. Sadistic Unbothered?. I think this is the perception that Till has of Ivan, he isn’t able to read him and therefore has always thought Ivan was annoying him for the fun of it. This scene shifts to a memory of Ivan, as he finds Till knocked out in the karaoke bar.
4.- It’s clear to see the parallel between both memories, the only thing that makes a difference is the way that Ivan looks at Till, his eyes are sparkling, as he is looking at his beloved.
5.- This parallel between scenes shows us that Till doesn’t actually know about Ivan’s feeling for him and that he has always interpreted them as hatred or dismissive, in the other hand, Ivan actually looks at Till lovingly in every memory of himself, he even has the permission to take of the collar of Till. (I don’t think every human can take off the collar of everyone else, but Ivan CAN. This makes me wonder if he is the one who usually saves till and takes care of him, to the point that the guardians have ALLOWED him to do so).
6.-Ivan lyrics also makes reference to Till in every moment. “Even if your cold words carve scars beneath my eyes…” this clearly makes reference to the way Till treats Ivan (which I assume is not pleasant, as Till is almost unaware of his existence). For example: In a community post we see Till complaining about Ivan wishing he would go away, he thinks that Ivan’s presence is making Mizi go away. Ivan just states that Mizi never plays with him, the one that does so is Ivan.
7.- Is almost as if Mizi takes the place of Ivan in every memory of Till, that’s the level of obsession Till has of Mizi.
8.- I wouldn’t be surprised if Ivan was constantly devastated from the things Tills says. This lack of acknowledgement forces Ivan to do drastic things like getting in a physical fight with Till and sadly this is the ONLY memory Till has of Ivan (paragraph 3) so this drastic measures actually work.
9.- The next scene reflects what actually Ivan wants to be noticed, the looks of affection he gives, the gentleness. Nonetheless, the only thing that gets a reacting from Till are the things Ivan doesn’t like (dramatic gestures). And I think Ivan doesn’t really like the grand gestures because of his judgment of Sua and her decision to die for Mizi. (The ultimate sacrifice just for the sake of being remembered).
10.- I want to make another point, in round 3 we can see a flash back of a red flower crown flying past Ivan and Till going after it. I think what happened is that Mizi made this flower crown for Sua, the flower crown flew away and till wanted to get it back for Mizi (who wanted it for Sua) Mizi and Till go into the home of an alien flower (also shown in the memories) and the flower eats this flower crown, making Till try and fight with the alien plant to get it back for Mizi, Till ends up getting hurt and Ivan just watches from the back. (This is what I can deduce with round 3 flashbacks). In this round we see another flashback of that same day (maybe) where Ivan is watching the plant form the back and one where he is touching its teeth, I think either Ivan calmed down the plant or he managed to get the flower crown from its mouth without getting hurt, whatever happened it culminated on Ivan getting Tills wound treated (Mizi probably fled the scene or trusted Ivan to take care of Tills, as they were close friends even if Tills doesn’t seem to recall that).
11.- Then Ivan is seen caressing Tills wounded face in a hospital and finally Tills running away from their attempted escape. This is even more devastating as we can now interpret their escape as Ivan’s way of saving Till for the millionth time, expecting to be saved at the same time, expecting Till to be grateful and running away with him because maybe, just maybe, Till will care enough about both of them to move forward and finally acknowledge the sacrifices Ivan constantly makes for him, but alas, Till runs away and decides their fate.
12.- We see a glimpse of real life Till being depressed as Ivan pours his heart out in the chorus. “In your gaze where I’m seen…” he doesn’t even look at Ivan in the memories nor in real life. Till cannot see the suffering in Ivan, and Ivan just sees the suffering of Till. Ivan was never seen, every glimpse of his memory he longs for the gaze of Till, but he never acquires it.
13.- “Face to face we dance…” Ivan keeps looking at Till, trying to make it about them. “With our story…” Till looks in front of him thinking about Mizi. He stops singing and Ivan directly starts his plan. Even when he KNOWS Ivan is heading towards him, Till is not bothered to look at him. 3:04. Until he has to.
14.- And for the first time the roles change, The one with sparking eyes is Till and Ivan just looks at him without anything. The first kiss they shared and Till is still unable to read Ivan. For him, this came out of nowhere 3:15. His surprise changes to alert when Ivan grabs him by the throat. Ivan isn’t even hurting him.
15.- Ivan is concerned for the lack of resistance that Till shows, Ivan has fell in love with the resilience and defiance of Tills personality and now it’s nowhere to be found. The numbers change and Ivan’s plan works, he starts being killed for the “aggression” he is committing. Even when he is dying, till is not looking at him. Finally he lets go, as he ensures his loved one will survive. And as he falls his last picture is Till finally looking at him. Ivan smiles as a last goodbye, the smile is enough to make Till understand everything he hadn’t noticed before.
There is no people, no Mizi, no aliens, no cameras and no microphones. It’s only Ivan, as the spotlight focuses on them, Till realizes he has lost the only thing that was constant, the reason he has actually managed to survive this long.
Meanwhile, Ivan is now the thing he despised, he has done this last grand gesture to make Till look at him (paragraph 9). He has died in what he longed all along. Maybe it was never meant to be.
Edit: OMG GUYS YOU ARE SO NICE.
YOU CAN COOK ✍️💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
You explained everything so well, thank youu 😭
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You explained it so perfectly, no words. 🙏❤️
3:23 you see the way this kiss was less aggressive than the other ones? He did that once he saw tills score going up and his going down. This was a more genuine kiss of relief and a kiss to say goodbye, it was softer than the others because Ivan was saying goodbye.
Y'ALL GOTTA STOP THIS 😭😭😭
The way u got me sobbing 😭😭😭 all I can think about are these two
STOP THIS
Screaming. Crying. Throwing Up
PLEASE STOP
thank you for taking away my happiness privileges i love this so much
As long as Ivan isn't shot in the heart, I still have faith he's alive.
He bled through his mouth bro that’s internal bleeding. They already wanted him dead so they arent gonna treat him. I hate to say this but most likely he’s dead. I pray to everyone he isn’t.
@@cutie9 nuh uh he's chillin with sua, hyuna and mizi guys trust ☹☹
@@cutie9HES NOT HES NOT HES NOT HES NOT UR MAKING ME LOSE MY SANITY I SWEAR HES ALIVE GRRRR SNARLS
@@cutie9if he’s throwing up blood then he’s probably got shot in the lungs too ;________;
@@enclinker7951 yeah that’s what I meant I mean it doesn’t necessarily have to be lungs to be fatal just the fact he’s bleeding out from his mouth means he’s gonna die soon
but never have I ever hoped I was wrong Pls be alive PLS PLEASE
The fact that in the end Till is just standing over Ivan’s body long enough that the show is over and the lights turn off, like he’s in shock or denial that Ivan is dead and is just standing there, processing the fact that he is gone - It hurtsss 😭
Till realized too late 💔💔💔💔
it hurts. - xie lian
@@kunikuzushi5355YOU DID NOT-
Ivan's sacrifice is heartbreaking for a multitude of reasons. For starters, Ivan knows that Till (in his current state) would never choose him in place of Mizi. I mean, he has watched Till literally give up his complete freedom from ALNST just to stay by her side. Regardless, he would do what he could to capture Till's attention, even if it meant purposefully teasing or picking a fight with him (2:03). This is because, to Ivan, Till is practically the only reason his life has meaning.
As an audience, we can assume that Ivan has had a hard life full of abuse prior to his participation in ALNST. His eyes in flashbacks are drawn with little to no light. That is until he meets Till, the only character (including Hyuna) to have shown some real resistance to the ALNST and alien control since his childhood. In ALNST Round 3, we see that Ivan views Till's volatile, uncontrollable personality as something as beautiful as a sky full of shooting stars. He wishes so desperately to be the one to hold Till's spark, for his blaze to "consume him" (2:42). Yet, after Mizi's disappearance following ALNST Round 5, Till's flame goes out. He becomes a shadow of his former self, losing his fighting spirit in the process. And Ivan is forced to watch the person he loves, the one thing that has proven to him that life is worth living, completely throw himself away.
Till wanted to die that day. He wore black to his own funeral. Even when Ivan began kissing and choking him, he never put up much of a fight to resist (3:26). But Ivan was willing to risk everything for Till. He threw his chance of living by tossing his microphone aside and began to "attack" Till as it was the only way he could assure his loss. He even kept holding on after multiple shots. Although, he could never truly hurt Till as Ivan only wrapped his hands around his collar rather than his neck. And with a final kiss goodbye, Ivan died with a smile. He was genuinely grateful that was able to save Till from a death marked by the ALNST, and that for once, even if it was at the end, Till's eyes were only on him.
how has nobody commented on this?? oh my god??
"Ivan views Till's volatile uncontrollable personality as somethinh as beautiful as a sky full of shooting stars. He wishes so desperately to be the one to hold Till's spark, for his blaze to consume him" LORDDD YOU _ATE_ WITH THISSSSS??
Ivan wants Till all to himself, which in theory he SHOULD considering Mizi is out of the picture. But Mizi is Till's oxygen, he needs her like he needs air. As you've beautifully pointed out, Till's flame was slowly dying. Till's flashback even shows him distraught when he's supposed to perform in front of the aliens. Till has always been the rebel, he's resisted being pushed around at any given chance, but this time he can't even stand to put his mask back on and sing for these pricks.
He fights back when he sees the aliens lash out at him and threaten him, Mizi's missing poster being shoved in his face being the icing on the cake. He is finally neutralized by who I assume is his guardian, but he's beaten and bruised. He's helpless. This is the point of no return I think, this is what leads Till to just surrender emotionally. "Wearing black to his own funeral" as you put it.
"Ivan is forced to watch the person he loves completely throw himself away" and its so painful because he'd rather die himself than watch Till's spirit stop burning bright.
Gosh, what maniacs they are- Ivan I mean. And Vivinos. for creating this beautiful mess of love, devotion, and death.
Friend, your comment made me cry, you are completely right.
This is an amazing summary and interpretation. I couldn't think to add any more to this as it describes this episode so well.
EVEN IF IT WAS IN THE END, TILL'S EYES WERE ONLY ON HIM 😭😭😭
Godddddff vivinos what are you smoked when you done this😢
If you look closely, right between the kiss and the choke, Till’s face slightly relaxes. It doesn’t look panicked or scared or anything, he’s not that phased by it, he’s just realizing that oh, Ivan kissed him…. But it’s very brief because Ivan starts fake choking him the next second and that freaks him out.
He couldn't bear the idea of losing Till, so he gave himself up instead... 😢💔
IM GONNA CRY stopp
POOR TILL
I CAN'T DO THIS
STOP IT ☹️☹️☹️
doooooont say thattttt
Never expected I’d come here to see Till being alive 💀
U DID NOT SAY THAT 😭😭😭
…
I hope you never feel joy again
…
STOP 😭😭
I think out of all of them, Till seems to be the one most talented in music. He was writing his own music and he was the only one seen playing an instrument. Plus, Mizi even gifted him a flute. With how much he rebelled at every single opportunity, Till must have been super talented for him to even have passed and gotten into the tournament. And the fact that the aliens still made him perform outside of the tournament despite having to restrain him so much is crazy to me.
It has been confirmed that he is indeed a musical genius!
Till would win against Luka ez, he can sing multiple genres
And him hitting high ass notes in this song despite technically have little to no practice from depressing over mizi and stuff, so he's rlly a music genius ✋️✋️✋️
He also has the fastest selling albums! In addition from being a musical genius he is (maybe with Hyuna) the most expressive character in my opinion. Aliens love seeing human feelings, it's no wonder they love his music
@@AdSoyad-rp1vm Yes he is more talented but the aliens still like Luka more. This is seen in the top 3 video and in round 5 where they cheer much more for Luka than Mizi.
Bro their voices are straight up ANGELIC
One thing that I want to mention about Ivan. He somehow knows how to remove a collar. In flashback in the 3rd round Ivan took Till’s collar off. In bar Ivan took Till’s collar off. Even in flashback Ivan reaches his hand to Till’s collar. No one else did something like that in ALNST. Please, Ivan is too smart to die 😭😭😭
unfortunately, I don't think the writers will probably listen. There's no way in hell that Ivan would've survived multiple bullet wounds. I think Till will probably use that knowledge though.
@@altheac1114 we just need some copium alright😭😭😭
@@altheac1114 You should rewatch round 1 and see how the guard shot when they want it to be lethal. Realistically speaking, if they were standard bullet wounds Ivan would have collapsed sooner and most likely on his right side instead. Plus those aliens probably have better medicine than us. The way this round is done writers can both pretend Ivan died or just severely wounded.
@@Yeshua-gb5nkwe’re coping so hard
@@yannenenenen Maybe, maybe not. Personally I'm gonna wait for the next video before saying anything definitive, there are too many elements that are off to me.
That fucking smile . . . That smile of relief is killing me. The way Ivan looked at Till with so much love and adoration just killed me
ESTOY LLORANDO.
When you noticed Ivan Squeezed the side of Till's neck to not block his airway
after 6 months, im rethinking my life choices of watching this again
3:44 틸이 항상 미지를 보느라 이반을 봐 주던 적이 없는데 마지막에 이반이 죽을 때 틸이 드디어 이반을 똑바로 보니까 이반 만족했다는 듯이 웃으며 가는게..... 나 울거야😭
"I love you. Live."
That's all I heard from Ivan in the end.
Saw a comment somewhere saying Till can live without Ivan but Ivan can’t without Till and it broke me (T n T)
“Thank you for being a victim to my shallow emotions”
@@Saya-ng1sl is this perhaps a quote from somewhere?
@@Arkleioit’s from a comic in Ivan’s perspective. You can find it on the official alien twt account or on this channel’s community tab. It was posted about 2-3 months ago the title is “confession” with the first photo being the back of Sua. Hope that helps!
(Also sorry if I sent this twice, RUclips was acting up for me)
@@Lulu_0809 thank you so much!
At 3:46 Ivan's smile basically said ''You finally looked at me'' IM CRYING
im gonna cry 😭🙁
OMG
IM LITTERALLY PUJCHING THE WALL
UR NOT INVITED TO MY IVANTILL BIRTHDAY PARTY
Y si, ayyy lloro 😭😭😭
i just noticed that at 3:41 Ivan smiles. HE LOVED TILL HOW COULD YOU DO THIS
His collar didn't explode, he just got shot so there's still chance he can be saved since he is also valuable to those alien. IVAN IS ALIVE (copium💀)
Edit: Everyone in replies is TOTALLY SANE (me included) 😊😊😊
Exactly!! Hes not like certain angel we know like kaworu!!
I like the way you think (I'm delusional)
I'm living for this
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
I'M GONNA GASLIGHT MYSELF WITH THIS IDEA TYSM 😭
Another thing to point put is that Till isnt chained any longer. All his life we see him chained up but the aliens recognize his vulnerability and weakness due to the missing/loss of mizi. His last fight is when the alien forces him to see her poster but after that hes put in the position of a pet. Docile and complacent. His hair is tamed. Hes collard and made presentable no longer the fighter he once was. He even plays the part of the duet onlt singing his part and letting ivan have his. Hes just a far cry from who hes been his entire life
On the other side of that eveyone recognizes Ivan's sacrifice for till out of love but i think its that combined with the previous. Ivan loved to see Till's reactions he loved the attention he got when he provoked him and just in genral he liked his spirit and the death of that with the loss for mizi was just another blow to Ivan's one-sided love.
Theyre singing to two different partners in two different states. Grief and acceptance. Song is straight fire too.
Ivan saying “cheer up” (a direct reference to the recent comic with the flower that has younger Till and Ivan) to Till in his interview knowing full well what he was planning to do is so vile for us.
Also, very obsessed with the choice to switch Till’s outfit from white -> black and Ivan’s outfit from black -> white considering how their roles and actions got swapped. Till became grief stricken over Mizi and didn’t really fight against the aliens the way he usually did. Then you have Ivan, who was usually consistent in his performances and very obedient in regards to following rules, making the active choice to become “unpredictable” in the way Till usually was.
@@violetshockflare9327 you're so so right omg
thank you for this analysis I will throw up now thanks
omg where do i read the comics?
@@cina2218 They're on the official twitter or the community tab! Usually kind people will try to translate them in comments and replies, but I usually look into certain wording on some parts myself.
do you think in his last seconds, when he started coughing up blood, ivan thought: yes, this is enough. i can let go now
I think he said something like, "Wow, he finally looked at me." Or something similar
@@Gaylanwangji yeah, when till opens his eyes as he falls, he probably thought something like that, but that moment is right before that - when ivan's hold on his neck slighlty tightens. like "okay, he is safe, i did enough" and then till looks at him and ivan goes like "oh he is looking at me" and i cry because i'm feeling sick in the heart x.x
I think this round is called "cure" because ivan brought light back to tills eyes and made him snap out of the "numbness"
litteraly tho, Till's pupil expand before the kiss scene
STOP
dude i just realised, im about to cry
the fact that them expanding either means youre high or attraction/fascination, in this case, till prolly experienced the latter, i am not okay. Plus, they also say that in low light, your pupils dilate to let in more light which makes this even heartbreaking bc till was depressed and ivan was basically his light
i might be wrong but i refuse to get out of this delusion >:(
rip ivan, you would have loved tills outfit in r7
LMAOO REALL
ABSOLUTELY REAL
REALLL LMAOO
NO BC HOW DID WE GO FROM THIS TO R7 LUCAS ROUNDS ARE ABSOLUTELY DIABOLICAL
Vivi knew he would get too 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
It seems to me this song shows the unreciprocated love of each other. Till is singing it for Mizi, he truly believes his reason to live is dead; (1:11) “On your icy lips,” alongside with the image of her in a white robe as a kid shows that she is a corpse-cold, which makes her have icy lips. He also mentions “Let me drown in you” (0:54) emphasizing “let me” because he can’t, she’s no longer there.
Till on the other hand says “I’ll drown in you” (2:22) which shows he can drown, and he WILL drown, because Till is there, and he loves him.
Other comments have said that Ivan is dressed as a Broom while Ivan is dressed like he’s going to a funeral because it SHOWS their dynamic, Ivan loves him, while Till is MOURNING for Mizi. The only reason why he is even singing is FOR Mizi, to relief himself. While Ivan is doing it to LOVE Till.
I feel like Ivan’s sacrifice wasn’t planned, he SAW that Till had no will to continue singing, he had this twisted idea that Till was singing Ivan’s song as a duet (because he probably wrote it since he’s a fan favorite and has privileges) but Till stopped singing after “To this everlasting melody” (2:51) and didn’t sing “With our story” (2:59) “Lost in forever’s embrace” (3:04) because it isn’t their story, it’s not reciprocated. Which also explains why Ivan sung “Face to face WE dance” (2:54) because he truly believes this is a duet. ALSO (edit) it is come to my attention that the original song IS a duet (it’s on Vivinos page) and the part where Till stopped singing was THE START of the duet, which actually confirms that it is symbolism for unreciprocated love.
Even after the kiss, they’re dynamic is furtherly emphasized in 3:33 because Ivan wants Till to LOOK at him one last time, as he is desperate and his eyes shaking show it, but Till is only mourning and accepting his fate by having his eyes close, finally believing that his pain will be relieved. That he will get his cure.
However the one getting his cure instead is Ivan. It’s called Cure because by Ivan dying, his pain of not having his love returned is cured. It isn’t a sorrow anymore, it’s cured by his own death.
This is such a good analysis and I’m crying even harder, love all of your guys’ thoughts on the most recent stage 😭
CAN SOMEONE MAKE THIS TOP COMMENT??
the "let me" vs. "I will" was JUST at the tip of my tongue!! I knew they symbolized the difference in perspective.
"wearing black to symbolize Till mourning for Mizi" THEGASP I GUSPED
"Till not singing the 'with our story' line" WHOA BECAUSE IN TILL'S EYES ITS NOT ABOUT HIM AND IVAN. HE'S SINGING FOR MIZI. Ivan singing "face to face WE dance" because he recognizes hes singing with and FOR Till. Oh god.
"Till thinking he'll be cured from his pain by dying when it's Ivan who dies in the end instead, freed from his unrequited longing" WHAT. YOU'RE SO SICK. YOURE SICK AND TWISTED AND I SEE THIS. BRIGHT AND CLEAR.
I want to add on that Ivan probably tried to "cure" Till as well. Ivan tried to get Till to respond but Till remains silent and compliant. Till couldn't see Ivan trying to bring his flame, his fighting spirit back to life (because he was closing his eyes.. lmao)
Theyre so undeniably doomed, thank you for this analysis. I enjoyed it MUCH and LOTS and I will read it fifteen hundred times over thank you mwah
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This analysis is so amazing oh my god!!! Thank youuu
You've made me sadder with this in depth analysis 😭
I can't handle angst, i kind of regret watching this series but at the same time is so good, so so good