Would all of you just to give up complaining the boat looks dirty this is not a new boat however it is always a pleasure to see these boats still being used and still being left the issue here is a very kind and useful instructional video on how to berth in the marina so take it as you will many of us started on boats an awful lot worse and have slowly built our way towards having a larger boat polishing and waxing is not the be all and end all I have seen so many boats polished at the beginning of the season and never leave their berths I would much rather see a boat that is loved and used then a boat that is left on a berth
Now, THIS is a video worth posting and watching. Unlike the thousands of other videos of people who likely don't even own boats, that are criticizing skippers that are trying dock either under challenging conditions or simply learning how. Great video.
We had a boat like this (Bayliner 28 classic) and it was a PITA to dock in a crosswind. The high cabin acted like a sail. You could maneuver the stern, but the bow had a mind of its own. Usually I just put the nose against a piling and then used the engine to work it around, or had a crewmate with a line to the bow. We thought about a bow thruster, but it was far too expensive. Great video. Your Flying Fox looks like an old Thompson.
Excellent tips. Throttle control is really key...use momentum to your advantage, rather than letting throttle take advantage of you (especially when you're new to boating). Th tip with the rope (sorry, bow line, as my learned friend explains ad nauseam) is very helpful to single dockers like me
I thought it looked pretty good. Good tip with the bow line. Don't let these other guys without docking video put you down, most of them are nothing more than keyboard commandos anyways. Thanks for posting.
Hi philnjack. Even with the wind on the bow I have to berth stern-in every time. I don't use forward gear to stop the boat going astern inside the berth because:- a) I find it don't need to - it's going slowly anyway b) Engaging "ahead" to stop when inside the berth would push the stern to starboard - and usually there's someone else berthed there. c) The boat stops with just a tug on the rope which pulls it evenly and gently alongside. ...It seems to work so I just thought I'd pass it on.
Great video, sir. I've just bought my first boat and this video is very helpfull. Rulan already ordered ! Great accent by the way. Slow as Pro. Love it.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. This is truly helpful. Although I suspect you are skilled enough to make it look easier than it is. Great tip with the rope.
I have a 1969 16 foot Crestliner with johnson electric shift outdrive. Very easy to dock and pinpoint maneuver have had it about 4 or 5 years. I recently bought a 24 foot Sea Ray cuddy cabin with a mercruiser single outdrive, It is a nightmare to dock, even Bow first. As soon as you switch to reverse, the Bow wants to wander to port every time. Slow and steady are a must but the trick you showed here should prove invaluable until I get a better feel for it. Thank you for this.
This was an excellent video of tactics to use when docking. It's amazing how many boaters are so critical of others' videos that genuinely help boaters gain more skills.
The single with stern drives are so bad. It's the singles with a rudder that are really hard to manage. You do exactly what I try to teach people to do when docking and that's just bump it in and out of gear to slow the process down and gently move it where it needs to go. If in gear to long it speeds things up and usually causes a over shoot of where you're trying to go. Good video.
Nice Video and helpful. I helped myself on my boats by installing the Uncle Norm's Marine fins on my lower unit. It gave me a lot more actual steering control. Uncle Norm's has a few videos on you-tube showing how they work. They also help counteract the effect of wind on boats that can catch a lot of wind like yours and mine.
The rope trick is wonderful. Over controlling, and using too much power are clearly NOT in evidence here. I love the rulan indicator.. have to get one ! One other trick. with the helm centered, notice that application of power in reverse, will make the stern move to the left ( port). This can be extremely handy ... learn to master this .
Comments about appearance of boat reminds me of an old saying attributed to Confucius..." The measure of a man is the size of the thing it takes to get his goat"... Further about sterndrives being "easy".... Deep V boats with a large deadrise angle combined with a high pitch prop can result in a boat that will only go straight back or to one side.... Not necessarily all that easy to dock. Also boats with high bow influence windage, i.e. like my cuddy with a Bimini in a gusty crosswind are.... trying. Ribbon a wizard suggestion, as is the "rope". FYI a rope is a line WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it has a specific designated purpose on a boat, i.e., bow line ( secures boat to dock at bow), spring line...( controls boats position in a slip or at a dock fore/aft).... So unless you want this rope to be called the "Help me control the bow of the boat when docking line".... its a "rope". /Captain Bob USCG Masters license since 1986
Come on guys. Be nice. I'm a stickler for bristol but...we can't all have brand new Riva's. First, know which direction your prop walks and approach the berth from the appropriate direction to use it instead of fight it. Second, like he said, knowing your rudder position at all times is very important when you are applying brief bursts of power to make small corrections. The rest is patient practice and being willing to admit your current attempt is going south and start over if need be.
I/O whether it be single or twin is pretty easy to dock, as easy as an outboard set up. single straight inboard is the hard one on a single inboard you have no steering in reverse. at least on an I/O you have an out drive and the propeller turns with the drive.
I think that is incorrect. Single inboard you have steerage because the flow from the prop is straight onto the rudder. Its just different that's all. This guy knows his stuff.
Trust me I have owned all and currently have a twin inboard set up. The twin Inboard has the most control around the docks. But I still much prefer an outboard set up. My worst boat was a single inboard, no control in reverse , the boat always wanted to walk to port, and in reverse the flow of the prop is going opposite the rudder.
+Rlnthndr "... in reverse the flow of the prop is going opposite the rudder." But if you're moving, water is still flowing across the rudder. You could shut down your engine and still have steerageway.
I watch these videos for the "arm chair captains comments" ,, thank you this video is eight years old and you still have wannabees that want to be as good as you
Would have been nice if propeller effect were taken into consideration. For proper manouvering it is indispensable to know whether the propeller in question is left- or righthanded, and what effect this will have on your intentions.
Callum, like you, I disagree with what they are saying. An I/O steers both ways in reverse like a car whereas a single screw inboard only steers opposite it's rotation while in reverse at least until it has built some momentum. You are also correct regarding short bursts but they are usually needed only when there is strong wind and/or current.
Amen to that. I have no experience with I/O, but using prop torque in reverse to move the stern to port is one of the few steering options in a single screw boat moving backwards.
Good information, friend. Glad I stumbled across it, I can see this being very helpful. I did a search for the Rolan Indicator and came up with nothing. Can you tell me where I can find one? Thanks
I've always been taught, there are not any "ropes" on a boat, but there are "lines" on a boat. The only rope on a boat is the rope to start an outboard motor.
What do people with stern drive motors do? I just bought a 26’ bow rider with a volvo penta duoprop and i cant for the life of me figure what my prop position is when i am low speed maneuvering like docking. Once i turn to port and then back to starboard i can never find the center again. Any tips?
I have a piece of blue electrical tape on the steering wheel, top center when the steering is dead ahead. It can certainly help if you are getting a bit mixed up on steering position
You make it look easy, I am just learning and this has helped I just did my powerboat level 2, but the marina has put my little dory in the tightest space possible, I guess it will give me good practice but hopefully not smash the boats on either side !
most people don't realize that in/out has a much sharper turning ratio then an outboard or twin outdrives which makes it easy to move the stern in or out
I don't seem to be able to post the link. I did post a video response which I think you will have to approve before it appears here. I really like the RULAN indicator. I'm never quite sure where my outdrive is. You can see more of my videos if you just search on my user name. Where are you in the world? I'm in Washington State, USA.
The boat is a Fox 700 built in the early 1980s - but it's based on the hull of the Cleopatra range made by Essex boatbuilders (Fox bought-out Cleopatra). You may find a website called "mycleopatra.ning.com" useful.
Hello Phil. The full name is the Rulan Rudder Position Indicator - and I too have had trouble finding it on the internet. If you are in the UK you might like to go to the Force 4 chandlery website as search for item number 870027
I like the idea of the line to the bow. I had a Penn-Yan with a tunnel drive. You put it in reverse and the boat goes backwards. Turn the wheel to port and the boat goes backwards. Turn the wheel to starboard and the boat goes backwards. I found that if you go forward, turn the wheel and goose the throttle to get the boat turning, then into reverse, the momentum will keep turning you while the boat goes in reverse. It got to where I could almost spin the thing in its own length.
I've problems docking my twin engine shaft driven cabin cruiser when one of my engines is not operational. Basically the reverse will only go in one direction regardless of how I turn my rudder. Anyone has tips on berthing under this kind of circumstances?
+Captain Q Presume that the rudders are very small and directly behind the props, ie the steering is derived via the prop wash. A few questions, are your props counter rotating? if not, I presume you will know which way the boat will kick in reverse, which depends on the prop rotation. If you have engine trouble, this doubles, as you are trying to reverse from one side, so compounding the issue. tip - Take it slowly and be aware of where the wind is going to take you - try to berth against the tide so prop wash is still needed etc etc
+shadowfax1220 thanks for the tip shadow. taking it slow is a luxury for me as the wind direction is against me at this time of the year. It blows the boat away from the berth I want to reverse in. If I do not position the boat in time to reverse in, I will be out and there is no 2nd chance for me either because my berth is at the corner of the marina. My boat will just convenient berth to along side at the end of the marina. To make the situation worse, sometimes the marina berth their work boats temporary at the end of the marina, so I will have to berth along side their work boats.
Yeh...I know. I've been there with a similar boat. When one engine quits...everything is off-center because the spinning prop is on one side and all you have are two rudders and one spinning prop for steering. Rudders only work when water is rushing by them. The more speed of rushing water...the more steering you have. With your situation I would try to dock the boat going forward (instead of backwards) and try using short bursts of power to maneuver. By going forward at least you have more "push at the prop" with the prop-wash rushing by one rudder...with the other rudder helping a little bit. Going astern provides you with the least amount of steering. Also, yell out for a potential helper on the dock to "catch a line" for you. If you have a chance to practice this...it may help to rehearse...if it happens again
Anyone with a cave man grunt of "No. Just, no"...with nothing else to come from your dull, basic brain...can't be too knowledgeable about boating and this video.
You're right and I'm quite right...you've learned very little in the last 14 years. What is your contribution to this thread...other than your silly nonsense? Anything at all?
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Would all of you just to give up complaining the boat looks dirty this is not a new boat however it is always a pleasure to see these boats still being used and still being left the issue here is a very kind and useful instructional video on how to berth in the marina so take it as you will many of us started on boats an awful lot worse and have slowly built our way towards having a larger boat polishing and waxing is not the be all and end all I have seen so many boats polished at the beginning of the season and never leave their berths I would much rather see a boat that is loved and used then a boat that is left on a berth
So, all those who are complaining about his dirty boat....at least he made a video we all spent a few minutes enjoying watching. You guys are tough.
Best single screw docking video on youtube...simple and correctly done.
Now, THIS is a video worth posting and watching. Unlike the thousands of other videos of people who likely don't even own boats, that are criticizing skippers that are trying dock either under challenging conditions or simply learning how.
Great video.
also helps when you don't care about a few more scratches on your boat either...
We had a boat like this (Bayliner 28 classic) and it was a PITA to dock in a crosswind. The high cabin acted like a sail. You could maneuver the stern, but the bow had a mind of its own. Usually I just put the nose against a piling and then used the engine to work it around, or had a crewmate with a line to the bow. We thought about a bow thruster, but it was far too expensive. Great video. Your Flying Fox looks like an old Thompson.
Excellent tips. Throttle control is really key...use momentum to your advantage, rather than letting throttle take advantage of you (especially when you're new to boating).
Th tip with the rope (sorry, bow line, as my learned friend explains ad nauseam) is very helpful to single dockers like me
I thought it looked pretty good. Good tip with the bow line. Don't let these other guys without docking video put you down, most of them are nothing more than keyboard commandos anyways. Thanks for posting.
Hi philnjack.
Even with the wind on the bow I have to berth stern-in every time.
I don't use forward gear to stop the boat going astern inside the berth because:-
a) I find it don't need to - it's going slowly anyway
b) Engaging "ahead" to stop when inside the berth would push the stern to starboard - and usually there's someone else berthed there.
c) The boat stops with just a tug on the rope which pulls it evenly and gently alongside. ...It seems to work so I just thought I'd pass it on.
Great video, sir. I've just bought my first boat and this video is very helpfull. Rulan already ordered ! Great accent by the way. Slow as Pro. Love it.
Brilliant on the ribbon on the bow!!!! well done!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. This is truly helpful. Although I suspect you are skilled enough to make it look easier than it is. Great tip with the rope.
I have a 1969 16 foot Crestliner with johnson electric shift outdrive. Very easy to dock and pinpoint maneuver have had it about 4 or 5 years. I recently bought a 24 foot Sea Ray cuddy cabin with a mercruiser single outdrive, It is a nightmare to dock, even Bow first. As soon as you switch to reverse, the Bow wants to wander to port every time. Slow and steady are a must but the trick you showed here should prove invaluable until I get a better feel for it. Thank you for this.
Classic skills, flawlessly executed!
Wow ... alot of people talked crap....but this guy made me feel good about docking at slip....
single prop boats have a much harder time, duo props make reverse a lot easier. I do like the rope on the cleat...very good idea
This was an excellent video of tactics to use when docking. It's amazing how many boaters are so critical of others' videos that genuinely help boaters gain more skills.
Very straightforward tip. Thank you for publishing that s video. It's helpful for a new boater.
The rope tip may help, although we agree a multitude of fenders are a must with this technique to protect your gelcoat
The single with stern drives are so bad. It's the singles with a rudder that are really hard to manage. You do exactly what I try to teach people to do when docking and that's just bump it in and out of gear to slow the process down and gently move it where it needs to go. If in gear to long it speeds things up and usually causes a over shoot of where you're trying to go. Good video.
Excellent video! One of the best on RUclips on tis subject!
Nice video and great technique with the "rope" Thank you
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I love this vid it’s a classic
3:01 Just scratched all that nice paintwork
Nice Video and helpful. I helped myself on my boats by installing the Uncle Norm's Marine fins on my lower unit. It gave me a lot more actual steering control. Uncle Norm's has a few videos on you-tube showing how they work. They also help counteract the effect of wind on boats that can catch a lot of wind like yours and mine.
Very well done. Any negatives here are douches with docking joysticks and 3 outboards.
This is old school!
The rope trick is wonderful. Over controlling, and using too much power are clearly NOT in evidence here. I love the rulan indicator.. have to get one ! One other trick. with the helm centered, notice that application of power in reverse, will make the stern move to the left ( port). This can be extremely handy ... learn to master this .
Nice video. Thanks for sharing! Looks like a 26' boat. Great work.
Single engine, single handed and no bow thruster. I would probably have a heart attack!
Well done. Every little tip helps!
Probably a pain in the start but its not that bad in a boat that small :) (yes i do have years experience)
I like the use of the line! Thanks!
Comments about appearance of boat reminds me of an old saying attributed to Confucius..." The measure of a man is the size of the thing it takes to get his goat"... Further about sterndrives being "easy".... Deep V boats with a large deadrise angle combined with a high pitch prop can result in a boat that will only go straight back or to one side.... Not necessarily all that easy to dock. Also boats with high bow influence windage, i.e. like my cuddy with a Bimini in a gusty crosswind are.... trying. Ribbon a wizard suggestion, as is the "rope". FYI a rope is a line WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it has a specific designated purpose on a boat, i.e., bow line ( secures boat to dock at bow), spring line...( controls boats position in a slip or at a dock fore/aft).... So unless you want this rope to be called the "Help me control the bow of the boat when docking line".... its a "rope".
/Captain Bob USCG Masters license since 1986
Super helpful video - many thanks!
Come on guys. Be nice. I'm a stickler for bristol but...we can't all have brand new Riva's. First, know which direction your prop walks and approach the berth from the appropriate direction to use it instead of fight it. Second, like he said, knowing your rudder position at all times is very important when you are applying brief bursts of power to make small corrections. The rest is patient practice and being willing to admit your current attempt is going south and start over if need be.
Thank you I really enjoyed your presentation.
Very good, I'll have to watch over and over for all the info to sink in. No pun intended. Thank You.
Good basic docking tips. Nice job.
I dock in Columbia river with 7 knot current ad 20 knot winds. Sometimes takes more than one try...
Thank you. Great tutorial.
Brilliant advice! Thanks a lot for a very instructive video!
Thanks Henry. Much appreciated.
Brilliant! 👍🇬🇧
I/O whether it be single or twin is pretty easy to dock, as easy as an outboard set up. single straight inboard is the hard one on a single inboard you have no steering in reverse. at least on an I/O you have an out drive and the propeller turns with the drive.
I think that is incorrect.
Single inboard you have steerage because the flow from the prop is straight onto the rudder. Its just different that's all.
This guy knows his stuff.
Trust me I have owned all and currently have a twin inboard set up. The twin Inboard has the most control around the docks. But I still much prefer an outboard set up. My worst boat was a single inboard, no control in reverse , the boat always wanted to walk to port, and in reverse the flow of the prop is going opposite the rudder.
+Rlnthndr "... in reverse the flow of the prop is going opposite the rudder." But if you're moving, water is still flowing across the rudder. You could shut down your engine and still have steerageway.
you are incorrect. in reverse, the prop is behind the rudder thus there is very little steering
awesome video
Some nice tips, thank you for the post
I watch these videos for the "arm chair captains comments" ,, thank you this video is eight years old and you still have wannabees that want to be as good as you
Hugely informative.Thanks for posting.
Good video mate!
Would have been nice if propeller effect were taken into consideration. For proper manouvering it is indispensable to know whether the propeller in question is left- or righthanded, and what effect this will have on your intentions.
Thank you, nicely done.
Well explained thank you
Callum, like you, I disagree with what they are saying. An I/O steers both ways in reverse like a car whereas a single screw inboard only steers opposite it's rotation while in reverse at least until it has built some momentum. You are also correct regarding short bursts but they are usually needed only when there is strong wind and/or current.
I used to wait until there were no boats in the way, and at night. LOL.
I tried that once at night and everyone was asleep so there were no spaces
@@michaelkorvac4007 You have to make space. Launch torpedo.
What if you are the boat beside you, there is no brige og cleet, just 2 poles ?
Great Work!
What boat is that right at beginning on left hand side, the red one, it looks like a tug, I love tugs they are the best boats.
You could always dock your boat the other way round as it's very easy to reverse out when you want to use your boat again.
Very well done
A fixed shaft drive prop and separate rudder is harder to control going astern than a outboard / outdrive where the prop steers as well as drives.
Amen to that. I have no experience with I/O, but using prop torque in reverse to move the stern to port is one of the few steering options in a single screw boat moving backwards.
Good information, friend. Glad I stumbled across it, I can see this being very helpful. I did a search for the Rolan Indicator and came up with nothing. Can you tell me where I can find one?
Thanks
Cool video thanks for sharing knowledge
penarth marina.. flying fox... loved it
That's a nice piece . . well made and clear.
Did you eventually clean-u your boat?
I've always been taught, there are not any "ropes" on a boat, but there are "lines" on a boat. The only rope on a boat is the rope to start an outboard motor.
Do you know what a spring line is used for?
If there was any wind or current, you would bash it up, or the guy next to you.
A spring line is used to keep it away from the dock.
well done video
What do people with stern drive motors do? I just bought a 26’ bow rider with a volvo penta duoprop and i cant for the life of me figure what my prop position is when i am low speed maneuvering like docking. Once i turn to port and then back to starboard i can never find the center again. Any tips?
I have a piece of blue electrical tape on the steering wheel, top center when the steering is dead ahead. It can certainly help if you are getting a bit mixed up on steering position
Remember how many turns to go from port to starboard and divide by 2. Now your at center.
this was actually helpful
Sweet!
I enjoyed this video,simple but correct.Thank You.
Well done
You make it look easy, I am just learning and this has helped I just did my powerboat level 2, but the marina has put my little dory in the tightest space possible, I guess it will give me good practice but hopefully not smash the boats on either side !
what sort of boat/hull is that? I have one that looks identical that I am restoring but cannot find any info on the boat
Well done sir. There wouldn’t have been a boat in the harbor safe from me trying that maneuver.
I couldn't agree more.
most people don't realize that in/out has a much sharper turning ratio then an outboard or twin outdrives which makes it easy to move the stern
in or out
Finally I found this best explained in docking.
I don't seem to be able to post the link. I did post a video response which I think you will have to approve before it appears here. I really like the RULAN indicator. I'm never quite sure where my outdrive is. You can see more of my videos if you just search on my user name. Where are you in the world? I'm in Washington State, USA.
Very helpful thank u
The boat is a Fox 700 built in the early 1980s - but it's based on the hull of the Cleopatra range made by Essex boatbuilders (Fox bought-out Cleopatra). You may find a website called "mycleopatra.ning.com" useful.
Hello Phil. The full name is the Rulan Rudder Position Indicator - and I too have had trouble finding it on the internet. If you are in the UK you might like to go to the Force 4 chandlery website as search for item number 870027
I like the idea of the line to the bow. I had a Penn-Yan with a tunnel drive. You put it in reverse and the boat goes backwards. Turn the wheel to port and the boat goes backwards. Turn the wheel to starboard and the boat goes backwards. I found that if you go forward, turn the wheel and goose the throttle to get the boat turning, then into reverse, the momentum will keep turning you while the boat goes in reverse. It got to where I could almost spin the thing in its own length.
Same here on a merry fisher 655 but only to starboard
Very interesting Bogbar. Do you have a link to your uncle's fin video please?
THANK CHEW
Good video. Where was this?
I have googled Rulan steering indicator but nothing comes up can you give more details
What is the model on this boat ?????
Génial
I have a 23 foot bow rider and I can't stern in as the prop-wash from our I/O pushes the whole boat around.
Lift your drive so the prop is just below the water.
thank you!
that is a real old boat even the drive is a OMC stringer I had one and buff that thing out
how about bow-first? same boat and slip .. or maybe a further in slip with the opposite side completely fill up.
omg I/O is easy. Try reversing with a keel and rudder...
I've problems docking my twin engine shaft driven cabin cruiser when one of my engines is not operational. Basically the reverse will only go in one direction regardless of how I turn my rudder. Anyone has tips on berthing under this kind of circumstances?
+Captain Q Presume that the rudders are very small and directly behind the props, ie the steering is derived via the prop wash. A few questions, are your props counter rotating? if not, I presume you will know which way the boat will kick in reverse, which depends on the prop rotation. If you have engine trouble, this doubles, as you are trying to reverse from one side, so compounding the issue. tip - Take it slowly and be aware of where the wind is going to take you - try to berth against the tide so prop wash is still needed etc etc
+shadowfax1220 thanks for the tip shadow. taking it slow is a luxury for me as the wind direction is against me at this time of the year. It blows the boat away from the berth I want to reverse in. If I do not position the boat in time to reverse in, I will be out and there is no 2nd chance for me either because my berth is at the corner of the marina. My boat will just convenient berth to along side at the end of the marina. To make the situation worse, sometimes the marina berth their work boats temporary at the end of the marina, so I will have to berth along side their work boats.
Yeh...I know. I've been there with a similar boat. When one engine quits...everything is off-center because the spinning prop is on one side and all you have are two rudders and one spinning prop for steering. Rudders only work when water is rushing by them. The more speed of rushing water...the more steering you have. With your situation I would try to dock the boat going forward (instead of backwards) and try using short bursts of power to maneuver. By going forward at least you have more "push at the prop" with the prop-wash rushing by one rudder...with the other rudder helping a little bit. Going astern provides you with the least amount of steering. Also, yell out for a potential helper on the dock to "catch a line" for you. If you have a chance to practice this...it may help to rehearse...if it happens again
Anyone with a cave man grunt of "No. Just, no"...with nothing else to come from your dull, basic brain...can't be too knowledgeable about boating and this video.
You're right and I'm quite right...you've learned very little in the last 14 years. What is your contribution to this thread...other than your silly nonsense? Anything at all?
Omg noddy goes boating !!
Any 8 year old could berth that .. Whee was the 20 knot wind ??
nice
👌👍
nifty trick
sir at 3:07 you hit the dock!!!!
Make sure there's no rope hangin over the transom!
Like it thnx