the missfire issue is related to the rubber/plastic cover on sparkplug. It is fairly common on the 650 platform, RE had a recall for that. They'll probably do the same for Himalayan.
@@Geshmaal have a look at the 650 and the 3rd gear stripping. My dealer actively trying to avoid me getting my hands on what came out being replaced so most people that had it might not even realise. Me as 'some guy' that's annoyed and I've found 5 plus mine, plus a load of comments of others having it. I know of dealers that have found more than me, RE still wont do a recall or comment. Would be funny if someone on social media with influence went looking. Cant see it happening because RE is a big company and its a risk but this is happening from Aus to CA, over the US and EU and all the parts replacing the stripped dogs come from the same place. RE are fully aware of it, to the point I know in the UK some important people have seen mine. Used to love RE but you have a bike like mine and RE dont want to fix it, they want it under the carpet till someone gets really hurt and then they are forced.
I've never driven a motorcycle and this bike is something I'm eyeing heavily as a first time buyer. I've accepted that the BMW 900gs is too expensive and too powerful for me and the other bikes in this segment just don't do anything for me looks wise. I truly believe this new Himalayan has the best of both worlds with its classic/modern hybrid look. Thanks for traveling so far for this review!
CRF 300. You do not want to get stuck with a new commercially available motorcycle from RE and its issues. Perhaps 3 years down the lane you can buy a Himalayan 450. But as a new biker. I highly recommend buying a CRF 300 or something that is tried and tested.
“Tried and tested” this bike has been in development for quite a while now. They’ve invited tons of people from all round the world, including yammie. Trust me if there are any issues with a himalayan, people will point it out within weeks of its launch. That is if this rigorous testing hasn’t ironed those out already.
@@officalJalgara More then 3 years, my 21 gt is a wreck and a lemon after a year and a half of riding. Id trust that Chinese thing Yam hated on more than a RE bike at this point.
RE bikes are made with practicality and fun in mind. They don't care about being fastest 0-60 since it's of no use IRL. If they made an ADV then boy you better believe you're getting one.
I own the 310 GS. It is an excellent bike, no doubt about it. If you stick to the tarmac you would have a vastly superior experience than the Himalayan. Minor bumps and potholes... it glides over it. But it is not an offroader by any means. The suspension bottoms out, it doesn't come with spoke wheels, and the low end torque, while not low, is not adequate. The Himalayan is the best bike in this segment and even one segment above it if a true go-anywhere bike is what you're looking for.
As an Indian, thanks for this RAW review, as I'm watching a lot of RUclipsrs drop videos about it like they are fans who are not getting into the actual functionality. Nevertheless, big thanks to Royal Enfield for bringing the best content creators together and telling their own stories of the Himalayan and Himalayas. Thanks again Yammie ❤
You can take it easy. Noob is a sport bike guy and a spoiled brat; he doesn't know the ground reality of why RE is selling so well, and he doesn't like to see the perspective of other categories of bikes, let alone caring for other customers. It is a long stretch. Don't take his word for his life and run with it. Buy whatever you desire to own, not which is good in specs or looks, end of the story!
@@jagarlamudichowdary yeah and the "used Japanese dualsport" he talks about isn't even available in India. They have a better range to choose from in used bikes because people spend a lot of money on the new bike market. At the same time you should understand, he's making videos for the international market, not the Indian market.
If i recall correctly, This issue was also seen on interceptor 650 when a youtuber took it too himalayas. It was when the twins were newly launched, His interceptor kept stalling. It was a ecu problem which they later fixed with a update. Its good that you were able to find it. It's a easily fixable issue. Plus itchy boots and other automotive journalists have been riding it and haven't faced any such issues could be just these two bikes. I can't wait for the prices to be released, i've been eyeing this bike ever since the first spy pic was released.
Talking about the cruise control thing, the main market for it is India and Indian highways are honestly pretty unpredictable so it really doesn’t make sense to have it.
Indian road conditions don't deserve any of these mechanical features and technology given on motorbike, so R.E should keep it simple bike as older version rather than making it complicated by putting tech features which I guess no one would like on these roads and traffic congestion.
As a beginner rider, the "neutered" throttle is a good thing. I love that. I bought the scram 411 and its alot of fun to ride and i love that it doesnt just take off even wide open.
I've never understood the weak bike for noobs argument. No matter how little you know about bikes, or how little experience you have operating them, you should be able to grasp the concept of a throttle. Don't twist it too far, too fast or too hard and you'll be fine, no matter how much power your bike has. Then, when you get good, all that power will be there waiting for you. You won't have to buy a whole new bike just to get it.
@@jakeviolet2195 Throttle control is probably the hardest thing to get down properly as a new rider. That's not to say you need weak bikes because the crf300 is a laughably weak bike but the throttle is basically on off in first gear and really hard to get the finesse down for it. What you need is a compliant, smooth throttle response from 0 to 100% type of bike. As it happens it's mostly weak bikes that do this, as experienced riders will prefer that instant throttle response and .. big bikes. So companies paired instant throttle control to ( most ) of the bigger bikes and softer more forgiving throttle and overall behaviour to smaller ones. Helps that getting soft throttle control is a generally cheaper, mostly mechanical, thing while instant throttle is usually an expensive pairing of multiple parts. End of the day though, in this price-range ( 6000 euro - again, a beginner pairing ) your choices are limited. The bigger bikes that fit the bill are generally either pretty crappy chinese stuff ( cfmoto or it's ktm siblings ), really basic. specialized or old clunkers. SV650 is about the only exception that comes to mind - it's basic, yes - but it's not stripped down to the cheapest possible and is in the same pricing ballpark.
If the ride by wire throttle is anything like the cheap one that KTM is using on the 390 ADV, that may be what was causing your engine flatline issues. I had that same sort of issue on the KTM where it would randomly cut power and die. It actually threw an error code for the throttle position sensor so swapped that out and it was fixed. To your point, I absolutely do not understand why ride by wire is a thing on bikes without cruise control.
RE is looking better and better as a company, i may even get one for my first bike. Hopefully they fix the stalling issue, and that they're a responsible enough company to not go to market with this issue outstanding.
@@RS23545 google 3rd gear issue, look at wiring issues and spark plug caps. REs image is because these things arnt widely known. And if you think you'd have issues and be protected your looking at local dealers only, might try and mess you about but RE wont step in even if it becomes dangerous.
The cruise control argument is really gaining more traction and I'm all for it. Honda and Suzuki didn't even offer it on the new Transalp or 800 Vstrom. Like Zack stated on Revzilla, there really is no excuse to not have it when you already have engineered a ride by wire throttle. They're just cheaping out, but then want to charge higher prices.
I directly did not buy a new Vstrom because of the lack of cruise control. It really is laziness right now. Adventure/touring bike with no cruise control. In a world where that should be priority number 1.
Definitely has to do with the fuel mapping & lack of oxygen, In India fuel efficient motorcycles are still a big deal so running too lean is a possibility
First time i rode a Royal Enfield was when i lived in India for a bit, i hired one to get around for a few weeks. Couldnt even tell you the model, but by the time i got back to Australia i realized id enjoyed the experience and wanted to bring one back. Maybe it was just wanting to keep a part of the trip alive, but i really wanted to find one of those bikes.
Now I'm torn. I drove a 2017 Himalayan around Nepal while in vacation and fell in love. I've been eyeing buying one for two years but I worry it wont handle Canadian highway speeds very well. Now the new model is coming and it'll likely do much better... But I like the look of the old ones and their price is dropping steadily as a result of this change...
@@CurlyWolf_ thats a good point. Honestly if both models were available right now I'd be a little torn. Maybe I'll buy the old one and then upgrade in a few years.
@@tysongoesoutsideI am also seeing that Canadian retailers are dropping prices of old Himalayan but I want a newer one hopefully they get it soon. I am in BC tho and the only thing I don't like is PDI, DOCUMENTATION AND TAXES increases almost $3k to the bike unfortunately
The stalling while clutch pulled is also on the original Himalayan, but it is due to the valves being misaligned, so a service will temporarily fix it for about 5.000km.
I'm wondering why the stalling misfire issue doesn't appear to show in Itchy Boots videos when she rode the whole of Ladakh, Kashmir? Her bike seems to be riding well through out her journey in India
15:25 yes, We have Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 based on this now to compete with The Triumph Speed 400. Though Triumph Scrambler 400 X makes more sense with 19" front wheel and tubless tyres.
Hey Yam, total respect for your pros and cons. Most reviewers of any ilk have pros and low-key pros disguised as cons. I feel sure your opinions and observations will be respected by the folks at Royal Enfield (full disclosure... Noob and Scram 411 owner), I certain respect them.
Even my 2020 Dominar 400 used to have that kind of engine stalling while giving the throttle. That sounds like a spark plug issue. May be I am wrong. But great video, absolutely loved it.
I love Royal Enfields not because of some legacy or heritage or anything but because of how much they have progressed in just 5 years. Yes, it’s an Indian company and being an Indian it’s might be a bit biased but still there are multiple Indian manufacturers be it cars or motorbikes but Royal Enfield’s growth and improvements are just awesome 🔥🔥
As an American, Royal Enfield owner, I HEARTILY agree! They're building good looking, quality motorcycles at an affordable price. That's always a winning formula.
@@AaryanUpadhyayaWho yeah no, the brand was bought by Eicher group way back in 1994. Hence, making Royal Enfield complete India since then. Yes, it was founded by britishers but no not a British company now. You can understand it like you bought something from someone then yes it was their product but now it’s yours
@@AaryanUpadhyayaWho RE was originally British, yes. Back in the 1950s, they got a big order for Bullets from the Indian Army, so they established an autonomous subsidiary down there. The parent company in the UK fell victim to the Japanese invasion of the 1960s and 70s, while the Indian subsidiary remained in business.
Nice clean video 👍🏼. Most reviewers get “soft-influenced” due to the sponsorship. But you didn’t. I liked that you highlighted the demerits. Its a big step up for RE. and as an Indian I am happy to see an Indian company making good progress. I am always sceptical about the first gens. After this video I will have to wait and watch for more such issues before I make any decision. 😊
Thanks Yammie for actually riding and giving true review on it being an Indian and a RE fan having 3 bikes from company in my inventory namely Thunderbird 500 Continental 650 and Himalayan 411. I am impressed with your review as your opinions mirror mine we all in RE community wanted the 650 engine on Himalayan but this new model is a disappointment for being RE if it was some other brand making it would make sense but this bike doesn't feel part of lineup. Anyways great review 👍
Himalayan 450 in features and comfort are similar to super ADV bikes like the 1200 cc bike and in power in this 400cc ADV category no other bikes come close to this. 450 is going to be the best ADV in 400cc category with very affordable price
These are pre-production bikes. So I was expecting something to go wrong with them. I am glad you detected to issue with the staling and hopefully RE will fix this issue before they roll it out for the consumer. Very impressed with the bike though. Gonna book one of these in the 2nd half of the next year.
I've done 10's of thousands of miles for commuting and major road trips (a month through Mexico) and really, didn't miss cruise control at all. The time I would need to stop for gas was when my wrist got a break. Totally enough. People, especially newbies with lots of money, think you need to spend $15k - $25k to get a proper adventure bike. My all-time favorite adventure bike was a very-modded Suzuki DR650. I bought it slightly used for $8k with amazing mods already installed. It went everywhere I wanted to go. From a quick commute into work to riding on various types of roads (and dirt) through Mexico for a month. Sure I couldn't go 80mph up a hill at 15,0000 ft. But I was fine doing 40 - 50mph and saving $10,000 in the process. I freakin' loved that bike. And this new Himalayan has lots of specs similar to that bike. BTW, a stock, new DR650 is $7k without mods. The bike I had had AT LEAST $2k of mods on it. That's $9k. The Himalayan would be equal to that and save you between $2k - $3k. Superior technology. Ready to go globetrotting. I'm super-excited about this bike. The throttle issue can easily be fixed. Put on a better exhaust and maybe some other little performance enhancements and you can probably gain another 10hp and lose 20lbs. Which would make this bike and considering its price with mods..... AWESOME! Even without cruise control.
Thanks Yammie for sharing this issue with the world. Even I have the same issue in my GT650 sometimes and it is really frustrating. Best part RE has no idea about this issue. Hope they fix it with some update.
Nice unbiased review, felt good to listen a well thought reaction of this bike, also realised and sarge (sagar sheldekar) probably the best indian journalist for motorcycles atm were both at the same place for testing this bike
The stalling issue could even be bad fuel or a faulty engine start / kill combo switch. Long shot; but it is also possible that you were accidentally pushing down on the side stand enough to trigger the 'stand down' safety switch while standing on the pegs.
The stallin was because you were either at 3k rpm or lower it on a higher gear. When you are off road ideally the rpms you ride on around 5k or higher. But i do agree with you about the choked feeling and the bike doing nothing under 3k rpm , coz I faced it too while I rode it. That's definitely a major concern
"I dont think Royal Enfield should have put ride by wire ..." Thanks Yam, you truely are a pappa now. Many manufacturers are rushing to put ride by wire on everything or on anything. Not all bikes need ride by wire and many are better off without it the cable thing is still a great piece of technology. Thanks again Yammz👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Its not just Yammie Noob and another rider who experienced this. But that those 2 are the only ones being honest. There is a video of a well known stunt rider instagram influencer where he tries to climb a loose rocky slope and stalls the Himalayan before cresting it. He cannot get it restarted. Struggles to back it around in gear. And comes down the steep loose rocky slope in neutral or the clutch pulled in, engine off. At the base he lets out the clutch and bump starts the bike back to life. The fanbois will not agree. But every experienced rider who has seen that video has not missed exactly what happened. Thanks for being honest. You've earned my respect.
Well that Issue could be due to the lubricant that RE uses for the relays on their bikes. I have faced similar issues on their 650 Continental. Its an easy fix but not something they shouldn't have rectified with a brand new product
@@animealpha4795 yeah this is quite common on the 650s. There are 4 relays on these bikes I would suggest replacing them with aftermarket ones. You can also use the same ones but first clean and replace the electronic wax that RE uses. That lub wax is of poor quality and they use it in such quantities that it causes the relays to loose connection especially when the bike runs hot.
I like my xj600s very much, that 4-pot scream always puts smile on my face, but it ain't going offroad. In few years times, maybe, just maybe this may be my first brand new bike.
If no one else will mention it I will. Yes the video was great but holy hell that’s the best outro I have seen in a long time, I was not expecting it 😂😂😂
The thing is Indians people love royal enfield too much to point out the issues. Love when foreign people do reviews and compare the motorcycle to other dual sports and adv that is in US/European market. Love the old Himalayan but it was slow due to being too heavy power wise and it was hard to do long rides in USA.
Nobody else was willing to be critical of the bike and risk future paid trips to India as a moto journalist. Yam was willing to call a wet fart when he felt one. To win over ones naysayers is a good goal.
For anyone having a go at Yammie for identifying this stalling issue - no need to get defensive, he clearly likes the bike and is just disappointed that he had problems. I wonder if he was too light on the throttle when going up hill and over bumps or something - on the 411 you basically need a fistful of throttle at all times, perhap the 452 is similar.
I think this bike is on the money for an everyday all around bike in the real world (that does not include extreme off road, just gravel road and like that). I'd ride one around where I live in a heartbeat and it would be perfect for the paved and unpaved roads.
Something similar kind of misfiring/stalling issue was also there on the gen one interceptor and gt on the higher altitude and they fixed it with an ecu update. This could be something same or the issue with there relays as they have a habit of over coating relays with white grease. Lets hope they take note of your review and fix it before deliveries starts.
I just avoid RE meteor 350 and bought Honda CB350 Rs While test driving I don't like RE engine Honda was perfect in my openion. Few People in India Buy RE on motion not by performance. RE has good marketing strategy than engineering I believe so Many Indian brands purchase European tech companies it help them boost product quality RE is one of such companies I believe.
I have a 2021 Himalayan and it has odd stalling problems similar to what you're describing. When the bike is cold, you will never get it to idle on its own without dying. Additionally, when you shift into first and grab the clutch, it will die, whether hot or cold. You're constantly having to keep the revs up on it. You'd think RE would resolve some of these issues, as they are common and widespread.
I had a Harley that died like that once. It was actually the lean angle sensor was bad and it was near the oil tank and when it got too hot it would die the same way. Weird!!!
That tank looks like last generation pre-07 Triumph Tiger 955i, which is cool, but without that sweet triple engine. That would be a cool bike to mimic.
I hate Yamy Noob because , he's a hundred years younger than I am and can ride headlong into on coming traffic and walk away . But I'm glad your still here you little ' Whippersnapper ' Keep it coming
One thing to also remember is that you were at a significant altitude where oxygen is much lower, would love to understand how it rides in lower altitudes
3:33 You need to check your figures. You said that RE sold 40k units per month ("*sales in the U.S.A." according to the on-screen banner) but in the y/e March 2023, North American sales were around 14k with a global sales figure of over 800k
I’m trying to like this bike. For now I’ll wait. The Triumph 400 line looks promising as does the Honda NX500. I’m coming from a BMW 1200GS and Husqvarna 701 but due to being 74 with back and leg problems I need a smaller/lighter bike.
The 400x seems cool and watching some reviews from India it seems like a nice all rounder. The Honda is just a slightly updated CB500x. Chronicles of solid has a video on it as do some other people. I have a 390 Adventure and it's light and kinda small but it doesn't feel small to me. I'm saying it doesn't feel small like a dual sport does because those are relatively slim. It's a bit taller than some bikes but it doesn't have power like your GS does. It's adequate but nothing crazy.
I think with a few tweaks, at this price point, this might be the best bike for real life. Go anywhere, reliable, versatile, and not overpriced. Just needs cruise control and more zip.
this might not be the issue but I had the same problem with bike turning off with a different brand bike. The problem was with the lock set and it had to be changed.
Stalling again? Misfire for this new bike is not accepted. I sold my Himalayan due to average quality issues and was hoping to buy 450, but are there any other better option? Thanks for honest review.
Pssst... hey kid. You want a Triumph Trident 660..? Go to yammienoob.co - we just refreshed our website too!
the missfire issue is related to the rubber/plastic cover on sparkplug. It is fairly common on the 650 platform, RE had a recall for that. They'll probably do the same for Himalayan.
Weird that they'd repeat an expensive mistake like that..
they didn't do much of a recall, I have a video from a dealer of mile trying to shock me as I was riding... no recall...
You'd think they'd fix an issue present on one of their most popular bikes on their new flagship...
@@Geshmaal have a look at the 650 and the 3rd gear stripping. My dealer actively trying to avoid me getting my hands on what came out being replaced so most people that had it might not even realise. Me as 'some guy' that's annoyed and I've found 5 plus mine, plus a load of comments of others having it. I know of dealers that have found more than me, RE still wont do a recall or comment.
Would be funny if someone on social media with influence went looking. Cant see it happening because RE is a big company and its a risk but this is happening from Aus to CA, over the US and EU and all the parts replacing the stripped dogs come from the same place. RE are fully aware of it, to the point I know in the UK some important people have seen mine.
Used to love RE but you have a bike like mine and RE dont want to fix it, they want it under the carpet till someone gets really hurt and then they are forced.
I've never driven a motorcycle and this bike is something I'm eyeing heavily as a first time buyer. I've accepted that the BMW 900gs is too expensive and too powerful for me and the other bikes in this segment just don't do anything for me looks wise. I truly believe this new Himalayan has the best of both worlds with its classic/modern hybrid look. Thanks for traveling so far for this review!
Thought about an 800gs? It's only 65hp and not particularly powerful. It's not power that is an issue for a new rider it's weight and height
CRF 300. You do not want to get stuck with a new commercially available motorcycle from RE and its issues. Perhaps 3 years down the lane you can buy a Himalayan 450. But as a new biker. I highly recommend buying a CRF 300 or something that is tried and tested.
“Tried and tested” this bike has been in development for quite a while now. They’ve invited tons of people from all round the world, including yammie. Trust me if there are any issues with a himalayan, people will point it out within weeks of its launch. That is if this rigorous testing hasn’t ironed those out already.
no its not 65 hp@@chrispekel5709
@@officalJalgara More then 3 years, my 21 gt is a wreck and a lemon after a year and a half of riding. Id trust that Chinese thing Yam hated on more than a RE bike at this point.
The new himalayan makes more sense than a g310 gs 😮
You said it man
G310 is nothing compared to even the old Himalayan. It's a commuter faking it's off-road ability. RE bikes are way more sturdy.
RE bikes are made with practicality and fun in mind. They don't care about being fastest 0-60 since it's of no use IRL. If they made an ADV then boy you better believe you're getting one.
I own the 310 GS. It is an excellent bike, no doubt about it. If you stick to the tarmac you would have a vastly superior experience than the Himalayan. Minor bumps and potholes... it glides over it. But it is not an offroader by any means. The suspension bottoms out, it doesn't come with spoke wheels, and the low end torque, while not low, is not adequate.
The Himalayan is the best bike in this segment and even one segment above it if a true go-anywhere bike is what you're looking for.
If you don't care about weight and service network, yes.
As an Indian, thanks for this RAW review, as I'm watching a lot of RUclipsrs drop videos about it like they are fans who are not getting into the actual functionality. Nevertheless, big thanks to Royal Enfield for bringing the best content creators together and telling their own stories of the Himalayan and Himalayas. Thanks again Yammie ❤
You can take it easy. Noob is a sport bike guy and a spoiled brat; he doesn't know the ground reality of why RE is selling so well, and he doesn't like to see the perspective of other categories of bikes, let alone caring for other customers. It is a long stretch. Don't take his word for his life and run with it. Buy whatever you desire to own, not which is good in specs or looks, end of the story!
@@jagarlamudichowdary yeah and the "used Japanese dualsport" he talks about isn't even available in India. They have a better range to choose from in used bikes because people spend a lot of money on the new bike market. At the same time you should understand, he's making videos for the international market, not the Indian market.
@@brandondabreo421 indeed!
@jagarlamudichowdary typical bullet mama
@@amrithjayadeep8356 your point ☝️❓
If i recall correctly, This issue was also seen on interceptor 650 when a youtuber took it too himalayas. It was when the twins were newly launched, His interceptor kept stalling. It was a ecu problem which they later fixed with a update. Its good that you were able to find it. It's a easily fixable issue. Plus itchy boots and other automotive journalists have been riding it and haven't faced any such issues could be just these two bikes. I can't wait for the prices to be released, i've been eyeing this bike ever since the first spy pic was released.
Talking about the cruise control thing, the main market for it is India and Indian highways are honestly pretty unpredictable so it really doesn’t make sense to have it.
Cruise control stops the second you hit the brakes and it makes the ride more comfortable so it does make sense.
@@SohilSahare009 idk man you wanna turn it on and off every half hour
@@Strdyaftrnoon every 10 mins
Indian road conditions don't deserve any of these mechanical features and technology given on motorbike, so R.E should keep it simple bike as older version rather than making it complicated by putting tech features which I guess no one would like on these roads and traffic congestion.
@@sunnyyadav-yx7ry its not about deserving or our country being worthy, its just simple logic
As a beginner rider, the "neutered" throttle is a good thing. I love that. I bought the scram 411 and its alot of fun to ride and i love that it doesnt just take off even wide open.
I've never understood the weak bike for noobs argument. No matter how little you know about bikes, or how little experience you have operating them, you should be able to grasp the concept of a throttle. Don't twist it too far, too fast or too hard and you'll be fine, no matter how much power your bike has. Then, when you get good, all that power will be there waiting for you. You won't have to buy a whole new bike just to get it.
@@jakeviolet2195 Throttle control is probably the hardest thing to get down properly as a new rider. That's not to say you need weak bikes because the crf300 is a laughably weak bike but the throttle is basically on off in first gear and really hard to get the finesse down for it.
What you need is a compliant, smooth throttle response from 0 to 100% type of bike. As it happens it's mostly weak bikes that do this, as experienced riders will prefer that instant throttle response and .. big bikes. So companies paired instant throttle control to ( most ) of the bigger bikes and softer more forgiving throttle and overall behaviour to smaller ones. Helps that getting soft throttle control is a generally cheaper, mostly mechanical, thing while instant throttle is usually an expensive pairing of multiple parts.
End of the day though, in this price-range ( 6000 euro - again, a beginner pairing ) your choices are limited. The bigger bikes that fit the bill are generally either pretty crappy chinese stuff ( cfmoto or it's ktm siblings ), really basic. specialized or old clunkers. SV650 is about the only exception that comes to mind - it's basic, yes - but it's not stripped down to the cheapest possible and is in the same pricing ballpark.
@@jakeviolet2195 Driving totally changes with more power, same with cars. Its not just less throttle.
If the ride by wire throttle is anything like the cheap one that KTM is using on the 390 ADV, that may be what was causing your engine flatline issues. I had that same sort of issue on the KTM where it would randomly cut power and die. It actually threw an error code for the throttle position sensor so swapped that out and it was fixed. To your point, I absolutely do not understand why ride by wire is a thing on bikes without cruise control.
Might actually be cheaper than a cable now
What year is your 390?
Thank you for doing a honest review. Your opinions, which included negatives of the bike, will definitely make the next version much better.
RE is looking better and better as a company, i may even get one for my first bike. Hopefully they fix the stalling issue, and that they're a responsible enough company to not go to market with this issue outstanding.
there wont be this issue in production unit. royal enfield is a big company now. they dont want to distroy their image .
@@RS23545 google 3rd gear issue, look at wiring issues and spark plug caps. REs image is because these things arnt widely known.
And if you think you'd have issues and be protected your looking at local dealers only, might try and mess you about but RE wont step in even if it becomes dangerous.
The cruise control argument is really gaining more traction and I'm all for it. Honda and Suzuki didn't even offer it on the new Transalp or 800 Vstrom. Like Zack stated on Revzilla, there really is no excuse to not have it when you already have engineered a ride by wire throttle. They're just cheaping out, but then want to charge higher prices.
I directly did not buy a new Vstrom because of the lack of cruise control. It really is laziness right now. Adventure/touring bike with no cruise control. In a world where that should be priority number 1.
Definitely has to do with the fuel mapping & lack of oxygen, In India fuel efficient motorcycles are still a big deal so running too lean is a possibility
Yes, you are right. Fuelx x pro can solve the issue to an extent.
Every engine runs lean because of emission norms
My Himalayan BS6 had this issue but it was fixed with ECU update.
Man, the more I see the boxy look of new himalayan, the more I appreciate the clean, symmetrical, retro kinda look of the old one.
Itchyboots seems to be enjoying it and hasn't mentioned any negatives....
Exactly. She liked the original as well, which means a lot more to me than what this talker has to say
The lack of snap was altitude Yammie, get it down to sea level and you’ll notice the difference
Agreed
Fuel injection fixed altitude based performance long ago.
@@bcab7955still less air, still less power, can't fight that
First time i rode a Royal Enfield was when i lived in India for a bit, i hired one to get around for a few weeks. Couldnt even tell you the model, but by the time i got back to Australia i realized id enjoyed the experience and wanted to bring one back. Maybe it was just wanting to keep a part of the trip alive, but i really wanted to find one of those bikes.
✌🏻best review i watched so far🎉
Unbiased review. Loved it❤👍
Now I'm torn. I drove a 2017 Himalayan around Nepal while in vacation and fell in love. I've been eyeing buying one for two years but I worry it wont handle Canadian highway speeds very well. Now the new model is coming and it'll likely do much better... But I like the look of the old ones and their price is dropping steadily as a result of this change...
You'll be waiting over a year for the new model. So depends on how long you want to wait.
@@CurlyWolf_ thats a good point. Honestly if both models were available right now I'd be a little torn. Maybe I'll buy the old one and then upgrade in a few years.
@@tysongoesoutside I'm kind of thinking the old model only has a year left before it's discontinued
I'm not an ADV guy. But, I like the looks of this bike. However, I am sticking with my Meteor 350!
@@tysongoesoutsideI am also seeing that Canadian retailers are dropping prices of old Himalayan but I want a newer one hopefully they get it soon. I am in BC tho and the only thing I don't like is PDI, DOCUMENTATION AND TAXES increases almost $3k to the bike unfortunately
The stalling while clutch pulled is also on the original Himalayan, but it is due to the valves being misaligned, so a service will temporarily fix it for about 5.000km.
I'm wondering why the stalling misfire issue doesn't appear to show in Itchy Boots videos when she rode the whole of Ladakh, Kashmir? Her bike seems to be riding well through out her journey in India
15:25 yes, We have Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 based on this now to compete with The Triumph Speed 400. Though Triumph Scrambler 400 X makes more sense with 19" front wheel and tubless tyres.
Hey Yam, total respect for your pros and cons. Most reviewers of any ilk have pros and low-key pros disguised as cons. I feel sure your opinions and observations will be respected by the folks at Royal Enfield (full disclosure... Noob and Scram 411 owner), I certain respect them.
That's an awesome adventure Yammie..
I hope RE finds all the bugs and irons them out before production.
Pretty area to ride in. I agree that the RE Himalayan does look pretty good and seems a good decent ride for people wanting to get in ADV riding.
great job about being honest about what you experienced! props to RE to having you go check it out! I am really likely to buy the bike!
Even my 2020 Dominar 400 used to have that kind of engine stalling while giving the throttle. That sounds like a spark plug issue. May be I am wrong. But great video, absolutely loved it.
Finally the true real review..
I love Royal Enfields not because of some legacy or heritage or anything but because of how much they have progressed in just 5 years. Yes, it’s an Indian company and being an Indian it’s might be a bit biased but still there are multiple Indian manufacturers be it cars or motorbikes but Royal Enfield’s growth and improvements are just awesome 🔥🔥
As an American, Royal Enfield owner, I HEARTILY agree! They're building good looking, quality motorcycles at an affordable price. That's always a winning formula.
isn't it originally Bri'ish and also their R&D and proving grounds still happens at UK. We're just cheap labour or management again.
@@AaryanUpadhyayaWho yeah no, the brand was bought by Eicher group way back in 1994. Hence, making Royal Enfield complete India since then. Yes, it was founded by britishers but no not a British company now. You can understand it like you bought something from someone then yes it was their product but now it’s yours
@@AaryanUpadhyayaWho RE was originally British, yes. Back in the 1950s, they got a big order for Bullets from the Indian Army, so they established an autonomous subsidiary down there. The parent company in the UK fell victim to the Japanese invasion of the 1960s and 70s, while the Indian subsidiary remained in business.
@@AaryanUpadhyayaWho What are you smoking?
I just spilled my drinks when you said you were in the Himalayas. Didn't see that one coming
Nice clean video 👍🏼. Most reviewers get “soft-influenced” due to the sponsorship. But you didn’t. I liked that you highlighted the demerits. Its a big step up for RE. and as an Indian I am happy to see an Indian company making good progress. I am always sceptical about the first gens. After this video I will have to wait and watch for more such issues before I make any decision. 😊
Thanks Yammie for actually riding and giving true review on it being an Indian and a RE fan having 3 bikes from company in my inventory namely Thunderbird 500 Continental 650 and Himalayan 411. I am impressed with your review as your opinions mirror mine we all in RE community wanted the 650 engine on Himalayan but this new model is a disappointment for being RE if it was some other brand making it would make sense but this bike doesn't feel part of lineup. Anyways great review 👍
Map navigation on the bike's display is just awsome for a motorcycle
Himalayan 450 in features and comfort are similar to super ADV bikes like the 1200 cc bike and in power in this 400cc ADV category no other bikes come close to this.
450 is going to be the best ADV in 400cc category with very affordable price
Sweet, I have been watching Itchy Boots ride this for a few weeks now.... Seems pretty solid so far.
These are pre-production bikes. So I was expecting something to go wrong with them. I am glad you detected to issue with the staling and hopefully RE will fix this issue before they roll it out for the consumer. Very impressed with the bike though. Gonna book one of these in the 2nd half of the next year.
You could also check out Itchy Boots as she's using the Himalayan to traverse India right now. So far so good I think.
I've done 10's of thousands of miles for commuting and major road trips (a month through Mexico) and really, didn't miss cruise control at all. The time I would need to stop for gas was when my wrist got a break. Totally enough.
People, especially newbies with lots of money, think you need to spend $15k - $25k to get a proper adventure bike. My all-time favorite adventure bike was a very-modded Suzuki DR650. I bought it slightly used for $8k with amazing mods already installed. It went everywhere I wanted to go. From a quick commute into work to riding on various types of roads (and dirt) through Mexico for a month. Sure I couldn't go 80mph up a hill at 15,0000 ft. But I was fine doing 40 - 50mph and saving $10,000 in the process. I freakin' loved that bike. And this new Himalayan has lots of specs similar to that bike. BTW, a stock, new DR650 is $7k without mods. The bike I had had AT LEAST $2k of mods on it. That's $9k. The Himalayan would be equal to that and save you between $2k - $3k. Superior technology. Ready to go globetrotting.
I'm super-excited about this bike. The throttle issue can easily be fixed. Put on a better exhaust and maybe some other little performance enhancements and you can probably gain another 10hp and lose 20lbs. Which would make this bike and considering its price with mods..... AWESOME!
Even without cruise control.
Thanks Yammie for sharing this issue with the world.
Even I have the same issue in my GT650 sometimes and it is really frustrating. Best part RE has no idea about this issue. Hope they fix it with some update.
exactly, i agree, this will bring in more bikers in the community. Thank you for inspiring many.
Nice unbiased review, felt good to listen a well thought reaction of this bike, also realised and sarge (sagar sheldekar) probably the best indian journalist for motorcycles atm were both at the same place for testing this bike
The shortcomings sound like things that can be easily addressed. I may have to have one of these when they come to the states.
The stalling issue could even be bad fuel or a faulty engine start / kill combo switch.
Long shot; but it is also possible that you were accidentally pushing down on the side stand enough to trigger the 'stand down' safety switch while standing on the pegs.
Or perhaps if the return spring on the stand isn't strong enough it could have bounced and thrown the switch?
The stallin was because you were either at 3k rpm or lower it on a higher gear. When you are off road ideally the rpms you ride on around 5k or higher. But i do agree with you about the choked feeling and the bike doing nothing under 3k rpm , coz I faced it too while I rode it. That's definitely a major concern
"I dont think Royal Enfield should have put ride by wire ..." Thanks Yam, you truely are a pappa now. Many manufacturers are rushing to put ride by wire on everything or on anything. Not all bikes need ride by wire and many are better off without it the cable thing is still a great piece of technology. Thanks again Yammz👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Its not just Yammie Noob and another rider who experienced this.
But that those 2 are the only ones being honest.
There is a video of a well known stunt rider instagram influencer where he tries to climb a loose rocky slope and stalls the Himalayan before cresting it.
He cannot get it restarted. Struggles to back it around in gear. And comes down the steep loose rocky slope in neutral or the clutch pulled in, engine off.
At the base he lets out the clutch and bump starts the bike back to life.
The fanbois will not agree. But every experienced rider who has seen that video has not missed exactly what happened.
Thanks for being honest. You've earned my respect.
Well that Issue could be due to the lubricant that RE uses for the relays on their bikes. I have faced similar issues on their 650 Continental. Its an easy fix but not something they shouldn't have rectified with a brand new product
Can you tell me about it and the solution? My interceptor has that problem as well
@@animealpha4795 yeah this is quite common on the 650s. There are 4 relays on these bikes I would suggest replacing them with aftermarket ones. You can also use the same ones but first clean and replace the electronic wax that RE uses. That lub wax is of poor quality and they use it in such quantities that it causes the relays to loose connection especially when the bike runs hot.
I like my xj600s very much, that 4-pot scream always puts smile on my face, but it ain't going offroad. In few years times, maybe, just maybe this may be my first brand new bike.
I kinda like the looks!! I would wait out the early production for sure.
Something i was looking for from yamm
I think the new himalayn is gorgeous too
Awesome breakdown/review.
Gonna bring home the Rally version next year ❤
*40PS and 40NM of torque @4:35
40 NM=29 Foot pounds (appx) No error there
If no one else will mention it I will. Yes the video was great but holy hell that’s the best outro I have seen in a long time, I was not expecting it 😂😂😂
That missfire also happened to me on the interceptor 650
Language young Yammie(he said while pointing 3 fingers and a thumb back at himself). Great video, great narration. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Thanks for your point of view on this bike!
The thing is Indians people love royal enfield too much to point out the issues. Love when foreign people do reviews and compare the motorcycle to other dual sports and adv that is in US/European market. Love the old Himalayan but it was slow due to being too heavy power wise and it was hard to do long rides in USA.
Okay but can we talk about the SCENERY cause holy smokes what a view. Pretty long trip, yeah, but wow
Def this is the bike to own, after going through the specs and design
One Honest review among paid review who describes like this is the only perfect bike that exist ❗Much appreciation for your honest review ❤️
But never mind that, look at all the colours!
This is by far the genuine review
I think it's hilarious that RE's marketing dept saw Yammie trashing their bikes, steepled their fingers, and said "we can fix him"
Nobody else was willing to be critical of the bike and risk future paid trips to India as a moto journalist. Yam was willing to call a wet fart when he felt one. To win over ones naysayers is a good goal.
An excellent review 👍👍
Good detailed review.....i hate those bike journos going gaga over the bike rather than giving proper review
For anyone having a go at Yammie for identifying this stalling issue - no need to get defensive, he clearly likes the bike and is just disappointed that he had problems. I wonder if he was too light on the throttle when going up hill and over bumps or something - on the 411 you basically need a fistful of throttle at all times, perhap the 452 is similar.
I am hearing praises everywhere but this is the place I come for an objective review that would help me in deciding if I want to buy this.
The footage of manali in this video is epic no doubt the information in the video is on point
I think this bike is on the money for an everyday all around bike in the real world (that does not include extreme off road, just gravel road and like that). I'd ride one around where I live in a heartbeat and it would be perfect for the paved and unpaved roads.
yo! Yamminoob, huge respect from India!!!!!
4:37 I thought the torque figures claimed by RE is 40 FT LBS on their Tech Specs?
Something similar kind of misfiring/stalling issue was also there on the gen one interceptor and gt on the higher altitude and they fixed it with an ecu update. This could be something same or the issue with there relays as they have a habit of over coating relays with white grease. Lets hope they take note of your review and fix it before deliveries starts.
I just avoid RE meteor 350 and bought Honda CB350 Rs
While test driving I don't like RE engine Honda was perfect in my openion.
Few People in India Buy RE on motion not by performance.
RE has good marketing strategy than engineering I believe so
Many Indian brands purchase European tech companies it help them boost product quality RE is one of such companies I believe.
I'd love to hear more on your thoughts about motorcycle touring in India. Great video, thanks.
Thanks for this review.Hope, RE rectifies the gremlins pointed by you
I have a 2021 Himalayan and it has odd stalling problems similar to what you're describing. When the bike is cold, you will never get it to idle on its own without dying. Additionally, when you shift into first and grab the clutch, it will die, whether hot or cold. You're constantly having to keep the revs up on it. You'd think RE would resolve some of these issues, as they are common and widespread.
Where was the location? Looks pretty nice
Himalayas
Manali, Himachal Pradesh
To be precise looks like Rohtang
@@el-diablo_666 Atal tunnel is in Manali.
This is game changer bike❤
Unfiltered, unadulterated, thanks man 🤩
I had a Harley that died like that once. It was actually the lean angle sensor was bad and it was near the oil tank and when it got too hot it would die the same way. Weird!!!
That tank looks like last generation pre-07 Triumph Tiger 955i, which is cool, but without that sweet triple engine. That would be a cool bike to mimic.
Great review.
Must of been incredible to ride in Himalayas, i hope to do that someday
I think if its a lean issue, it might just get solved after an ECU update, not a big deal for a first generation platform
He probably hit the kill switch looking at the scenery
5:48 this doesn't have a tripper navigation, the whole display turns to map
I hate Yamy Noob because , he's a hundred years younger than I am and can ride headlong into on coming traffic and walk away .
But I'm glad your still here you little
' Whippersnapper '
Keep it coming
Has the stalling out misfire issue been resolved? Appreciate your videos, thank you.
After more than 5000 km on mine, it's never happened once for me, so I'm guessing it was.
Purely anecdotal but - my 390 ADV had stalling issues during the break in period. After 600 miles it just magically went away.
One thing to also remember is that you were at a significant altitude where oxygen is much lower, would love to understand how it rides in lower altitudes
3:33 You need to check your figures. You said that RE sold 40k units per month ("*sales in the U.S.A." according to the on-screen banner) but in the y/e March 2023, North American sales were around 14k with a global sales figure of over 800k
I’m trying to like this bike. For now I’ll wait. The Triumph 400 line looks promising as does the Honda NX500. I’m coming from a BMW 1200GS and Husqvarna 701 but due to being 74 with back and leg problems I need a smaller/lighter bike.
The 400x seems cool and watching some reviews from India it seems like a nice all rounder. The Honda is just a slightly updated CB500x. Chronicles of solid has a video on it as do some other people.
I have a 390 Adventure and it's light and kinda small but it doesn't feel small to me. I'm saying it doesn't feel small like a dual sport does because those are relatively slim. It's a bit taller than some bikes but it doesn't have power like your GS does. It's adequate but nothing crazy.
I think RE made amazing with this big improvement with Himalayan😍🔥
=RE= 🎉
Good job Yammie and Good Job RE. Nice that they are listening to feedback!
I think with a few tweaks, at this price point, this might be the best bike for real life.
Go anywhere, reliable, versatile, and not overpriced.
Just needs cruise control and more zip.
eyyy yam will you make a video about the new cbr600 and zx6?
my 2021 Himalayan does the same engine cut off routine, not everytime but when it does its usually within 30 seconds of taking off
this might not be the issue but I had the same problem with bike turning off with a different brand bike. The problem was with the lock set and it had to be changed.
Stalling again? Misfire for this new bike is not accepted. I sold my Himalayan due to average quality issues and was hoping to buy 450, but are there any other better option? Thanks for honest review.