Europe’s deepest mine transformed into a GIANT underground battery

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Комментарии • 175

  • @Gobhumi
    @Gobhumi Месяц назад +14

    efficiency in energy storage is the name of the game... end coal, end big oil. this is one more nail in the coffin. great report Sam!

  • @GoCoyote
    @GoCoyote Месяц назад +10

    Gravity storage does in fact have cycle life due to the fact that mechanical objects have a limited lifespan before needing repair and/or replacement. Mechanical energy storage also has energy losses due to friction and mechanical inefficiencies, plus scheduled maintenance downtime is a kind of loss. While BESS (battery electrical storage systems) do have standby losses, they are negligible for units that experience daily cycling. BESS also have charge/discharge cycle losses, but they small, and they also have much better and faster surge capacity than mechanical electric storage. BESS can provide power factor, waveform, and frequency support by injecting current and/or voltage into the grid as needed in less than a second of sensing problems.

  • @kubapuchar7069
    @kubapuchar7069 Месяц назад +6

    In Europe, gravity based energy storages are pretty common in form of pumped-storage hydroelectricity plants.

  • @peteralflat281
    @peteralflat281 Месяц назад +11

    For those saying that the parts will wear out, very true, but isn't the same true of traditional power stations? Those turbines don't last forever and require maintenance.

    • @LarryRPark
      @LarryRPark Месяц назад

      A turbine has just one moving part, or two if you count the turbine rotor and the motor/generator both mounted on a common shaft. The tradition power plants have massive continuous coal and ash handling conveyors in addition to the turbine/generator. Also, is the steam generators continuously exposed to very high temperature corrosive gases that typically break first.

    • @rainerhorbe1371
      @rainerhorbe1371 Месяц назад

      Pumped water has much less wear and tear than conveyer belts, lifts, trains etc.

  • @jamesbentham1373
    @jamesbentham1373 Месяц назад +21

    It would be good if you could cover some of the downsides of this gravity system, e.g moving parts and the maintenance required, and how these affect the overall performance of the system relative to other storage systems

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray Месяц назад

      Exactly.
      A closed in 1990's, "upside down mine" (enter at 8200ft. side of granite mountain, up to 1100 inside)
      only had to cap the bottom tunnel, back up flowing ground water, plus small high pressure turbine, high psi tunnel plug the main investment. Guessing enough to run a couple dozen homes. (not international news)
      Maybe 1500 to 2k ft max head at small flow rate--say enough to fill a 1 by 2ft ditch flowing several mph.
      Plug back pressure on the ground water is 'reclamation' of sorts, possibly crucial for some natural springs or whatever...not crucial to overall landscape, it all ends up as crystal clear cold creek water in a mile anyway. (((high Sierra's E. Central Cali)))
      IF I had a point--some leftovers have low impact or even positive impact w productive potential.

    • @davelawson2564
      @davelawson2564 Месяц назад

      same maintenance as your lift in Apt / office buildings

    • @chillfluencer
      @chillfluencer Месяц назад +1

      ​@@davelawson2564Too expensive and shit breaks down way too often...and I know the work of the champions of elevator building: ThyssenKrupp.

    • @boballen9095
      @boballen9095 Месяц назад

      Just the one word: friction.

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray Месяц назад +1

      @@boballen9095 Friction should be very low, on the order of a couple %, just a cable over a sheave. Losses will be from motor/generators and electrical which might be on the order of 10% round trip. A lot better than pumping water uphill or compressing air in a cavern.
      So it's down to initial costs and maintenance, mainly capital upfront. Could be viable at first glance, no blatant deal breakers.

  • @danielmadar9938
    @danielmadar9938 Месяц назад +14

    On paper (or in a video), it sounds like a good idea. But one has to check the details. I didn't check the details for this specific company and project, but I did it for Energy Vault, the company you used most of the video material here. For Energy Vault's best product (gravity bricks with a reinforced concrete shell [20%of the weight] filled with waste), if you store renewable energy in the device, charge and discharge it every day for 30 years, the average carbon footprint of every kWh is the same as of a kWh produced from natural gas (without even taking into account methane emissions from natural gas). This is because of the huge amounts of concrete and steel needed for the project. This makes it not a climate change solution, at least until they can build it with very low carbon intensity materials. I've used to work with Energy Vault, and when I asked them about this fatal flaw, they did not answer me.
    Maybe the deep mine version of the a gravity battery is better carbon-wise.

    • @asdfasdf71865
      @asdfasdf71865 Месяц назад

      that is a lie

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад +4

      @@asdfasdf71865where is he wrong? Be specific.

    • @lunatik9696
      @lunatik9696 Месяц назад

      I think u r probably correct in ur assessment, if not completely accurate.
      The deep mine has better production.

    • @thelearningartist3162
      @thelearningartist3162 Месяц назад

      Do you take into account the steel and concrete used to build the gas plant in your estimate?

    • @grycripps
      @grycripps Месяц назад

      Another string in the bow to ending fossil fuels. Fantastic!

  • @pieterboots8566
    @pieterboots8566 Месяц назад +17

    Water seems more practical and cheaper.

    • @techtechuw597
      @techtechuw597 Месяц назад +2

      It depends on the situation/location, but gravity batteries are more efficient and have smaller risks/problems if done correctly. Im sure they considered all viable options for a project this size.

    • @Arjan_2
      @Arjan_2 Месяц назад +1

      @@techtechuw597there are no serious mountains in Finland, so hydropower will be limited. These gravitational batteries are expensive: do some basic calculations and you know why these batteries will never become successful. Potential energy = mxgxh and 1 kWh = 3,6 MJ

    • @asdfasdf71865
      @asdfasdf71865 Месяц назад

      easy stuff has been done already also cave diving into the depths of kilometers is not a good idea either

    • @tomcockcroft9394
      @tomcockcroft9394 Месяц назад

      Scarce

    • @corymoore2292
      @corymoore2292 Месяц назад

      No, water does not seem as practical or as cheap. Not even close.

  • @icosthop9998
    @icosthop9998 Месяц назад +9

    Happy Easter 🐰🥚🥚⛪️

    • @alexishart1989
      @alexishart1989 Месяц назад +1

      Indeed. Jesus lives, despite what you may have heard.

  • @user-fr2tk1we7r
    @user-fr2tk1we7r Месяц назад +3

    Just for visualisation - 1 kWh is 360.000 kg*m.
    It means 360 metric tonnes have to lifted 1m to store 1kWh.
    Cars have 40-70kWh. this shows how low energy density gravitional batteries have.
    1450m of the deepest mine imagine 36t wieght would give 145kWh.

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      Your logic is not appreciated on this site 😅😅😅

    • @alindmay
      @alindmay Месяц назад +1

      This probably explains why gravimetric batteries are not being used in cars

  • @garycosby1948
    @garycosby1948 Месяц назад +9

    i wonder if you ever considered comparing the utility of gravity storage to battery storage, you might be surprised to find that gravity on earth isnt high enough to make this feasible.
    Here are the numbers:
    consider a well 10m x 10m in cross-section and 1000m (1km) deep. The gravity storage device stores energy by lifting cement blocks from the bottom half (500m) of the well to the top half (500m).
    The energy required to lift 1 kg by 1 m is 9.8 Joules. 1 litre of water weights 1 kg. so this means 1 litre of water raised 1m stores 9.8J. 1 litre of water is 1000 cubic cm. so, 1 cubic meter of water weighs 1000 kg. Concrete has a density 2.3 times that of water. so, a 10m x 10m x 500m block of concrete, raised 500m stores 9.8 x 2.3 x 1000 x 10 x 10 x 500 x 500 Joules = 5.7xe11 Joules
    In comparison a single Tesla MegaPack storeg 3.9 MWh or 1.4e10 Joules
    So this 1km high gravity storage well can store the same enery as only 40 MegaPacks.

    • @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
      @FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Месяц назад

      An open pit mine has a volume exceeding millions, perhaps billions of Megapacks🤠

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      @@FrunkensteinVonZipperneckYou don’t get to use the full volume of the mine, only the shaft, unless you start using energy to stack the weights sideways which immediately wastes most of the energy.

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      Nicely done. The TLDR is that gravity batteries simply don’t store much energy and are expensive, complicated, inefficient, unreliable and there aren’t many suitable locations.

  • @chris27gea58
    @chris27gea58 Месяц назад +1

    Let the prototype facility establish the facts on cost, downtime (it would have to be close to zero) and efficiency.
    If this is anything like what Energy Vault has proposed we can expect problems because with all of those cranes swinging around heavy blocks (of concrete) what you have is a chaotic and dangerous mess not a viable energy storage system.
    And, by the way, the gravity battery mentioned in connection with Switzerland is just pumped hydro as you might expect.

  • @Arjan_2
    @Arjan_2 Месяц назад +8

    Gravitational energy storage (mxgxh) is quite limited. Do some basic calculations and you know why.

    • @lunatik9696
      @lunatik9696 Месяц назад +1

      when these deep shafts are used, the calcs suggest it is viable. Plus it is efficient.

    • @Arjan_2
      @Arjan_2 Месяц назад +1

      @@lunatik9696even if the shaft is 1000m tall and the weight is 1000 metric tons, the amount of stored energy is less than 3000 kWh. Any idea what kind of investment is needed to make this happen??

    • @GreyDeathVaccine
      @GreyDeathVaccine Месяц назад

      @user-uk8tl3xy9eIt all depends on whether the project is subsidized or not? It's nice to spend money that isn't your own.

  • @lurin971
    @lurin971 Месяц назад +3

    What goes up, must come down. Beauty! A+ Sam.

    • @chillfluencer
      @chillfluencer Месяц назад

      ...then use water...and if you are clever you will make a system where the water evaporates and rises again...instead of needing electrical energy and pumps.

  • @XXfea
    @XXfea Месяц назад +2

    Brilliant...a giant Grandfather Clock... don't forget the history clock face

  • @conventionalwisdom
    @conventionalwisdom Месяц назад

    Good to see a step up in more general renewable energy content as EVs have become established.

  • @jr-pl9kj
    @jr-pl9kj Месяц назад +1

    i think , if they dig a little deeper they can reach a hot geological area and tap off it for geothermal power, no batteries of any kind needed, less space, less moving parts to maintain. and cheaper to operate. perhaps tesla's boring company can come up with something to drill. just a thought
    on another note, how long do those cables holding the weights last????

  • @robincollis6349
    @robincollis6349 Месяц назад

    Credit given where credit due this is actually an interesting topic I've also read somewhere that this technology maybe explored and tested at port Kembla steel works on the unused decommissioned area which is also being transformed into a technology hub for TAFE NSW.
    This is all interesting not the next battery chemical battery tech and I hope it work it's feasible and it actually happens.
    Congratulations Sam decent story

  • @nerdbikes3841
    @nerdbikes3841 Месяц назад +1

    Gravity energy storage on some of my napkin math looks like about 50%-60% input/output efficiency. This is much better than the 25% thermal conversion efficiency of coal or natural gas. Of course the big variables are maintenance and actual storage ability. I hope this works out because using a fundamental field like gravity as energy storage seems like a basically great idea. The devil is always in the details however. We’ll see.

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      The thermal efficiency of coal is 34.12 percent, the current generation of CCGT gas plants is 63 percent. Your figures are incorrect.

  • @virtual-viking
    @virtual-viking Месяц назад +3

    The energy density isn't all that impressive. By my calculation, a 1kg weight in a 1km shaft is about 2.7kWh. Now try keeping the shaft from flooding.

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      large umbrella ?

    • @virtual-viking
      @virtual-viking Месяц назад +1

      @@robertfonovic3551 I'm more concerned with groundwater intrusion. Mines often need continuous pumping to stay dry.

  • @johnwang9914
    @johnwang9914 Месяц назад

    Gravity batteries have terrible energy densities by volume and by mass. The only reason this gravity would make sense is because the mining operation basically subsidized it by digging the shaft. However, such leftover mine shafts are not always in a convenient location and often mines still need to have water pumped out and sometimes air circulation needs to be maintained to prevent the accumulation of dangerous gases so there is an energy cost in maintaining an old mine shaft as a gravity battery. It's good that they built it and perhaps we should look for other such facilities but we can't expect this as the solution to grid storage simply because there aren't many convenient sites for this.

  • @imantsjansons5009
    @imantsjansons5009 Месяц назад

    Mechanical gravity batteries only work well in computer presentations. With lifted weights, you can store surprisingly little energy. To reserve the monthly consumption of a small apartment or house, you need to lift a weight of 2000 metric tons 100 meters high. Now you can imagine how much a village or small town will need.

  • @DaveBjornRapp
    @DaveBjornRapp Месяц назад

    gravity batteries are great... using water reservoirs is cool too... as long as the capacity and efficiency are there.

  • @HarunRaffael
    @HarunRaffael Месяц назад +6

    Complaint: The stock footage used as the background to your text is quite a bit more annoying than usual. All those irrelevant, distantly related clips constantly repeated really distract. If you don't have more pertinent images available, please consider a MUCH slower image pace with fewer cuts. Your texts often don't need any images at all, so just let something not distracting run longer.

    • @deepfuckingabundance
      @deepfuckingabundance Месяц назад

      Came to say exactly this. Couldn’t finish the video

    • @jas-FPV
      @jas-FPV Месяц назад

      Also this useless block elevator junk
      @Thunderfoot rules

  • @53pak
    @53pak Месяц назад

    Love this.

  • @jckelley10
    @jckelley10 Месяц назад

    My father helped build the Northfield Mountain Hydroelectric facility in Northfield Massachusetts in the 1970s. It is a gravity battery type plant that pumps water up to a reservoir on the top of the mountain and then sends the water down through generators inside the mountain to produce 1.168 megawatts of electricity. The pumps initially were run on electricity from the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Plant which shut down in 2014. It is powered by fossil fuels now which makes the plant too expensive and too dirty. Hopefully solar and wind power will be used to convert the plant at some point in the future.

  • @ComplexKangaroo
    @ComplexKangaroo Месяц назад

    Very cool, clearly with wind and solar energy storage becomes a big deal, so great to see this creative solution. Love to know what its total "efficiency" is (for N units of energy going in lifting a given block, how much do you get out when you drop that block)? I guess this would be the same (or hopefully better) than the efficiency of regenerative braking, which is 60-70%? Not great, but better than losing that solar power alltogether, which is what California is doing now. In 2020, the California Independent System Operator (CAISO) curtailed approximately 1.5 million megawatthours of utility-scale solar energy, which is about 5% of their production.

  • @thecrow3461
    @thecrow3461 Месяц назад

    Best thing about gravity bases systems is that they never loose capacity and are completely renawable, sure things will wear out but that's just some simple parts, not a limited resource like in Li-ion batteries.

  • @billhill4479
    @billhill4479 Месяц назад

    l look forward to the outcome of the trial. While it looks good on paper l have my doubts about scale. The maintenance required is known so that is easy. Crane winches are geared so that a relatively low powered motor can lift large weights. When we reverse that idea it means that the output of the generator might be low as well.
    lt seems like a great opportunity to reuse existing infrastructure . Especially in rural areas where the town is adjacent to the mine. Not sure how it will scale up though.

  • @z.Sh4ped.Po0Tin
    @z.Sh4ped.Po0Tin Месяц назад

    Nice to utilize those no longer used mining shafts especially if those are already connected to the electrical grid. Anyway not many of those so this is a marginal gain.

  • @orionbetelgeuse1937
    @orionbetelgeuse1937 Месяц назад +1

    As I can see in the images there are workers digging with hammers and chisels and moving dirt with baskets. It looks like a groundbreaking technology for the 21st century. It's the same technology used in congo for the cobalt?

  • @boda4339
    @boda4339 Месяц назад

    They can charge batteries as they lower rock down to the bottom of the mine as they fill the giant hole back up.

  • @mnhsty
    @mnhsty Месяц назад +3

    Only need six months storage in winter!

    • @13thbiosphere
      @13thbiosphere Месяц назад +1

      Wind turbines are particularly favorable during winter

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      They just have to find a way to lift the Matterhorn 5 kilometers into the air. Ask Musk or Sandy if it will work. i reckon they would answer with a " sure..no problemo " LOL

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      @@13thbiosphere and i like jam on my toast

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      @13thbiosphere Месяц назад

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    • @paul1979uk2000
      @paul1979uk2000 Месяц назад

      Wind turbines actually generate a lot of energy in winter, especially in Europe, and with a mix of wind and solar and if there are enough of them, I don't think we need anywhere near 6 months battery storage as that is very likely overkill, but we probably do need around 2 months worth,

  • @paul1979uk2000
    @paul1979uk2000 Месяц назад +1

    I think over the long run as battery tech gets better and cheaper, this form of energy storage will likely become redundant, but in the short term, we need all the energy storage solutions we can find, and this is a cheaper solution that works on repurposed land that's not going to be used for much else.
    So in the short term, I see merit in this until battery tech gets really advanced and cheap that you can buy enough to power your home for like a month and it cost very little, so quite some time off lol.

    • @bobdeverell
      @bobdeverell Месяц назад

      Paul if we look a bit further out. I'm interested in the commercial efforts being made to develop small fusion generators in the desktop/kw range. If this can be achieved it will point to a distributed electrical future with less need for transmission grids. Up to now nuclear fusion attention has focused on huge power experiments like ITER and the NIF. However fusion unlike fission can in theory be scaled from kwh size devices. There is no critical mass. A year ago I would have said a successful development is many years off. Now I suspect commercial interests will make it happen, possibly in my lifetime and I'm 75.

  • @lunatik9696
    @lunatik9696 Месяц назад

    Any tech that diminishes fossil fuels is worth considering.
    The electric elevator was patented in 1874 and built in 1880.
    There are always technical challenges,
    but this system is essentially an electric elevator which have been in use for over 140 years.
    These "elevators" also don't produce toxic emissions. The only real difference is scale.
    Yes, they require maintenance like any mechanical system, but much less than a coal or gas plant.
    Even solar arrays require some maintenance.

  • @snappingclam8801
    @snappingclam8801 Месяц назад +2

    Pumped hydro is cheaper and more efficient than mechanically lifting and lowering expensive concrete blocks. Mechanical gravity batteries have been thoroughly debunked. By the way, is there a link for the operational gravity battery in Sweden?

    • @thelearningartist3162
      @thelearningartist3162 Месяц назад +1

      By pumped hydro, do you mean using existing water reservoirs and dams? If yes, you are probably right. Otherwise, depending on location and geographic conditions, the cost of constructing a big enough reservoir to match the energy capacity of the proposed gravity storage may be quite expensive. Not to mention the environmental impact of Terra forming the land
      Also, here the particular problem being solved is how to extract the most value from this abandoned mine. I doubt pumped hydro is of much use here

  • @JoeyBlogs007
    @JoeyBlogs007 Месяц назад +2

    It's a mechanical battery, so parts would wear out.

  • @jasongaylard2547
    @jasongaylard2547 Месяц назад

    I guess you could do a sort of pumped hydro with a deep mine. A tank outside and one down in the mine and use renewable energy to bottom tank to the top.

  • @osterreichischerflochlandl4940
    @osterreichischerflochlandl4940 Месяц назад

    Cute idea for places which have mines that are deep enough. But even there the stored energy is just (found via Google) about 18 MWh - that's almost nothing. With a 1444m deep mine this means a total weight of about 4600 tons to be moved up or down. Assuming a speed of max. 10m/sec means a peak power of 500 MW for 2 minutes. That's it. It may be suitable to compensate changes of wind or solar production within an hour to minimize load changes on conventional caloric power plants but this is far away from being a game changer.

  • @gregpointing7228
    @gregpointing7228 Месяц назад +1

    Sounds like a copy of the mine battery about to enter production in Queensland owned by Genex.

  • @robertarmstrong3286
    @robertarmstrong3286 Месяц назад +1

    Very cool idea!

  • @13thbiosphere
    @13thbiosphere Месяц назад +1

    It's all about cost efficiency whether it will become a dominant source of storing energy

  • @incognitotorpedo42
    @incognitotorpedo42 Месяц назад

    I'd want to see a hard nosed economic analysis of this, as well as the actual amount of energy they can store. The 2 MW prototype will answer a lot of these questions. Until then, I'm skeptical.

  • @cidmeier2167
    @cidmeier2167 Месяц назад

    There is no gravity based energy storage that powers 1M houses.
    The start up « Energy Vault » (crane -concrete block energy ) is almost bankrupt.
    The only gravity based batteries in switzerland that work very well , and economically working too ,is pumped hydro from cheap renewable and excess nuclear power.

  • @supamario3055
    @supamario3055 Месяц назад +4

    I'd suggest it is pronounced gravi-tricity - "tricity" as in electricity.

  • @squishedfrog99-gp4qq
    @squishedfrog99-gp4qq Месяц назад +1

    How much energy is it going to take to keep pumps running 24/7 just to keep the shafts dry?
    Otherwise, it sounds feasible.
    Very expensive to build considering its limited use.

    • @Jason-bu9sv
      @Jason-bu9sv Месяц назад

      These are interesting niche projects a good exercise for engineers and it will create a few jobs.. This project will not pay for its own maintenance much less the build cost but people do all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons.. People support endeavors they are told are good, for reasons they don't understand or care enough about to to try and understand from a critical perspective.

  • @alexgray1905
    @alexgray1905 Месяц назад

    This is the same as pumping water back up into lakes which power hydroelectric power plants using excess energy when available.

  • @Jason-bu9sv
    @Jason-bu9sv Месяц назад

    Sodium Ion batteries are what I would bet on long term for stationary storage applications as the chemistry/mineral cost potential is cheaper then dirt. The abundancy of sodium is also likely to stymie its development though as a tremendous amount of capital is now sunk into Lithium.

  • @philippratt3664
    @philippratt3664 Месяц назад

    Seems like Mt Isa copper mine in Queensland would be a good site as this mine is closing down soon.

  • @PrimRoseLane
    @PrimRoseLane Месяц назад +2

    Worlds largest Cuckoo clock.

  • @johnpublic168
    @johnpublic168 Месяц назад

    A battery is a electrochemical device. A mine is a enertia storage device

  • @mrmawson2438
    @mrmawson2438 Месяц назад

    Cheers mate

  • @keithwillis3761
    @keithwillis3761 Месяц назад

    I seen this on the science channel. They also said the resources required to maintain the system is minimal for 25 years of usage. Cables and bearings may need replacement at some point but its not even 0.05 percent of cost for operations. May turn out to be the perfect large scale solution for energy storage. No loss of conversion at all. It nearly matches the energy put in it that you get out every time. Essentially earth's gravity is used for storage.

    • @galaxiedance3135
      @galaxiedance3135 Месяц назад

      Oil Companies aren't going to like this 🤣

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      Claiming ‘no loss of conversion’ is obvious nonsense.
      Also the energy capacity of gravity batteries is low and suitable sites are incredibly rare.

    • @keithwillis3761
      @keithwillis3761 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 Very little loss. Based on the efficiency of low speed electric motors optimized for that specific operation. You can get 98% efficiency. Drop another 2% for friction loss on the cables. Thats as close as you get for almost perfect storage of energy.

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      @@keithwillis3761 You obviously haven’t read the proposal. Go read it before you embarrass yourself any further 🤣🤡

    • @keithwillis3761
      @keithwillis3761 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 Wasn't commenting on the entire proposal just the core technique.

  • @Stonefeather53
    @Stonefeather53 Месяц назад

    It is amazing what smart people come up with. Hope its not an investment scam. Thanks for telling us about green energy solutions.

  • @georgeginsburg545
    @georgeginsburg545 Месяц назад

    how about maintenance of the motors and winches?

  • @Longtack55
    @Longtack55 Месяц назад +2

    Fantastic. Switzerland showing off as usual (quietly.)

    • @13thbiosphere
      @13thbiosphere Месяц назад +1

      yhäsalmi Mine is the deepest base metal mine in Europe, having a depth of 1,444 metres or 4,738 feet. It is located at the Pyhäjärvi municipality in the south of Northern Ostrobothnia province, Finland...... Operated by Canadian company..... gravity battery system has been developed by Scottish firm Gravitricity, which plans to use the Finnish mine as a full-scale prototype to demonstrate the technology..... No I don't know where Switzerland comes into this

    • @techtechuw597
      @techtechuw597 Месяц назад

      @@13thbiosphere Swiss pioneered this technology in Arbedo-Castione.

  • @silvanfricker1437
    @silvanfricker1437 Месяц назад

    The Swiss project is pumped hydro.

  • @apterachallenge
    @apterachallenge Месяц назад

    2kw doesn't sound like a lot of energy for grid energy storage.

  • @andrebillups4079
    @andrebillups4079 Месяц назад +1

    Sounds like the start of a horror movie

  • @spadress
    @spadress Месяц назад

    Did you say the capacity, i.e the number of kWh it can store?

  • @frankcoffey
    @frankcoffey Месяц назад

    It’s not so much a battery as it is a generator. It would be interesting if it took less power to lift the weight than it produces on the way down

  • @skirolf
    @skirolf Месяц назад +3

    Please note that picture of dumpers coming up of the open mine, is not the Finnish mine.

  • @KF-bj3ce
    @KF-bj3ce Месяц назад

    No chemicals and likely longer lifespan hence less maintenance.

  • @chlistens7742
    @chlistens7742 Месяц назад

    problem i have always had with gravity batteries is one of the things they use to charge them... Wind. If you have ever had to work with cranes you will know about wind restrictions on using them.
    I also worry about the other major issue they have so many moving parts with heavy weight's.
    they have a limited number of cycles i dont know how much.. but each of the weights that have to stack wear down a little with each move. probably much more charge discharge than Lithium.
    Ugh the engineer in me keeps coming out of retirement to tell me thousands of issues they could have with this including round trip efficiency and power loss percentage

    • @davelawson2564
      @davelawson2564 Месяц назад

      Its same as lift in your Apts/ multi story building

  • @jorgemach___2162
    @jorgemach___2162 Месяц назад

    Now imagine if each one of the weights were actually a sodium battery

  • @mattg432
    @mattg432 Месяц назад

    Gravity batteries work only once a year, on 1 April.

  • @acs2777
    @acs2777 Месяц назад

    What happened to finish company polar night ?

  • @mrmawson2438
    @mrmawson2438 Месяц назад

    Morning mate

  • @carlishiggins
    @carlishiggins Месяц назад

    its like an engine or green piston engine

  • @benlamprecht6414
    @benlamprecht6414 Месяц назад

    From an economic perspective, for long term/utility/grid storage, Pumped Hydro blows all alternatives away. I will eat both my hat and yours, if the economics for this project work

  • @sparksmacoy
    @sparksmacoy Месяц назад

    We need all of the above, wind, solar, thorium, batteries, hydro, gravity batteries etc etc.

  • @seanoragano6896
    @seanoragano6896 Месяц назад

    Just had a thought; every elevator could possibly reclaim energy to batteries every time they descend.

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад +1

      Now show your calculations for the energy stored…
      …oh wait, you haven’t done any, because if you had, you’d know the amount is minuscule.

    • @Arjan_2
      @Arjan_2 Месяц назад +2

      Elevators normally have a counterbalance… 😬

    • @seanoragano7554
      @seanoragano7554 Месяц назад

      @@Arjan_2 Good point ..... bad idea. 🤔

    • @seanoragano7554
      @seanoragano7554 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 hi fredbloggs, it was only a thought, so no need for the unnecessary sarcasm; nevertheless, @Argan just killed my idea by reminding me that elevators have counter weights.

    • @seanoragano7554
      @seanoragano7554 Месяц назад

      Not wanting to labour is a bad idea, but perhaps when designing a high-rise building, a shaft could be incorporated into the structure for such a device. This is just a thought; I am not a mechanical or electrical engineer, so please excuse my ignorance.

  • @AngeloBonaveraArt
    @AngeloBonaveraArt Месяц назад

    neat

  • @davidmaxwaterman
    @davidmaxwaterman Месяц назад

    It's a shame they couldn't use the water from fukushima.

  • @stevehayward1854
    @stevehayward1854 Месяц назад

    There are thousands of Coal mine shafts in the UK alone

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      And most are either totally unsuitable or require massive investment to render safe because they’ve been closed for decades.

    • @stevehayward1854
      @stevehayward1854 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 Still leaves plenty that does qualify as usable

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      @@stevehayward1854 You’re obviously an expert, please list them.

  • @XXfea
    @XXfea Месяц назад +1

    Have been attempted for decades..

  • @LarryRPark
    @LarryRPark Месяц назад +2

    If they used the mine as the lower reservoir of a pumped-hydro system it would work! The so-called gravity system is vastly more complicated with moving parts and cables that will wear out quickly and be cost prohibitive. There is a reason these do not already exist.

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      I agree - but where do you put the upper reservoir?

  • @MidnightO42
    @MidnightO42 Месяц назад

    this... doesn't seem like a good idea? the energy converstion ratio can't be high with so many moving parts.

  • @wkrp10splayer19
    @wkrp10splayer19 Месяц назад

    two words: thunder foot

  • @carsonc1272
    @carsonc1272 Месяц назад

    Ok, say it with me... Gravi....trisity.... Not gavit tri city 😊

  • @beautifulgirl219
    @beautifulgirl219 Месяц назад +1

    A COLLAPSE in China’s real estate market has been one of the key factors hindering the country’s recovery from the shocks of the COVID-19 pandemic. Financial markets are deeply worried about economic growth. Chinese stock markets have swooned since late 2023, deepening losses that amount to trillions of dollars over the past several years. A real estate downturn, job losses and other trials of the COVID-19 pandemic have left consumers cautious about spending. Economists have predicted a deflationary spiral as prices for housing and other goods fall, discouraging all types of spending and investment that would create jobs and spur a stronger recovery. Despite this Tesla delivered 131,812 vehicles in the first two months of 2024. Relatively speaking, ,Tesla is faring far better than allmost every element of the China economy and other carmakers. Though BYD rivals Tesla in China deliveries, BYD had below predicted net income and the worst selloff of the car-maker's stock in over a year.

  • @mrmawson2438
    @mrmawson2438 Месяц назад

    UK Kings

  • @GreyDeathVaccine
    @GreyDeathVaccine Месяц назад

    Cables and pulleys will degrade quickly.

  • @mortensen117
    @mortensen117 Месяц назад

    Gravity .... water ?

  • @johnfrancis4401
    @johnfrancis4401 Месяц назад +1

    This is great. The biggest problems with renewables are intermittency and overproduction. Batteries solve both of these. BUT BATTERIES ARE EXPENSIVE.

    • @robertfonovic3551
      @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

      ballpark figure of 1 mi;;ion per MW of storage. do the math for California alone. its unacheivable unless they sell the state to the chinese. LOL

  • @fryske.tynster
    @fryske.tynster Месяц назад

    een 9 met die prijs?

  • @JoeyBlogs007
    @JoeyBlogs007 Месяц назад

    I thought they were going to convert it into a giant sodium ion battery.

  • @jozsab1
    @jozsab1 Месяц назад

    is this an april 1 news ?

  • @caterthun4853
    @caterthun4853 Месяц назад

    You are showing a brick building system..thats not whats being built. You dont need a hole in the ground for a brick building system. Its a shaft system with less moving parts.

  • @tonyanthony1933
    @tonyanthony1933 Месяц назад

    The devil is always in the details. It's not that I don't love a splashy headline, but this ancient technology should be able to be completely designed and priced out with an environmental impact report. I'd like to see a more statistics based on current engineering and technology. I presume the gravity weights are made of concrete. Has anyone studied how much CO2 the production of the concrete weights produce using the most "green" methods available today that would give the gravity battery elements a 50 year life? How long are the crane superstructures expected to last before refurbishment? What about earthquake safety? How is is truly underground if it's in a deep strip mine? By definition, strip mines are not underground.

  • @sandponics
    @sandponics Месяц назад

    I can't believe anything you say, as it is way too radical. How about building a giant YoYo.

  • @plau2007
    @plau2007 Месяц назад +1

    Gravity storage is the future.
    Chemical batteries for grid stotage is a mith.

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      Except chemical batteries are already in use and provably profitable.
      While gravity batteries are utter nonsense with a low energy density, expensive, complicated, inefficient, unreliable and suitable sites are rare.

    • @plau2007
      @plau2007 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 20GWh in Valais cost was 2.3 billion $ (US). This means 115 $ / kWh and will last for the next 200 years.
      The chemical batteries price is double lasts for 10 years.
      Sorry but the earth is the biggest battery that we have.
      Plus ... I think is worthless to talk about the pollution caused by chemical batteries.
      Regarding sites .. their are limitations. For example in Switzerland the altitude difference between the 2 lakes is 600 m.

    • @plau2007
      @plau2007 Месяц назад

      @@fredbloggs5902 90% of energy storage is gravitational.

  • @fredbloggs5902
    @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

    Gravity batteries are utter nonsense.
    They’re much too expensive, complicated, inefficient and unreliable.
    More importantly their capacity is ridiculously small.
    (You can always tell that you’re being conned by them confusing power with energy).

    • @fredbloggs5902
      @fredbloggs5902 Месяц назад

      @user-uk8tl3xy9e You obviously haven’t read the specification.
      To obtain an energy storage of 100 mWh requires 36,000 concrete blocks each weighing 35 tonnes.
      Getting the output of 25mW requires the blocks to be dropped 60m at a rate of 1.2 blocks per second.
      Given that even in freefall it takes 3.5 seconds to fall 60m, it seems reasonable that a power extracting decent will take around 10 seconds.
      This means to get the needed output requires 12x blocks to be falling at any one time.
      Note that a prototype was supposedly built in 2019 in Italy but nobody seems to know where it is.
      It’s a scam.

  • @robertfonovic3551
    @robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

    ' the largest importer in finland " '" gravity batteries have been used for thousands of years "
    more crap from Sam.

  • @Refertech101
    @Refertech101 Месяц назад

    One of the dumber ideas out there, compared to pumped storage, why? mechanical systems like that far more failure prone, and when it does fail are insurmountably more costly and difficult to repair, and regular maintenance is more complicated, they gloss over all this fun stuff. All so very poor scalability.

  • @icosthop9998
    @icosthop9998 Месяц назад

    1st to give a thumbs up 👍
    And 1st to be 1st 🤗 🥇