CATL reveal new battery with highest energy density in the world
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- CATL reveal new battery with highest energy density in the world
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Love your work, Sam. This is very exciting! Remember it's *watt hours* per kg though. I get a nervous twitch every time I hear "watt per kg"!
Yeah that hour part is important.
How do you format in bold!
He knows but does not care, I think he enjoys yanking our chains 😃
@@Myrslokstok
Bold is done by putting an * on both sides of a word or sentence... the asterisk *disappears* when the comment is posted.
@@PETERJOHN101 Ohhh *thanks* it makes stuff easier to read!
@@PETERJOHN101well, *son of a gun*. Wow. Nice if it works. . .
If it is legit...its a humanity changing innovation.
Hi, so an EV with real equal range (if not better) to petrol vehicles (500w/ Kg) becomes a true turning point. It also has a 18,000 charge cycle life and charges at low temperatures @-20C and a 4c charge rate, according to the Viking.
Never mind Tesla all the manufacturers will want it, car and truck and plane.
Take care all M.
no, they stole it from us.
@@markeh1971 500 watt-hours/kg, not 500 watts/kg.
@@eric9069 well it’s out the bag if they are running it.
No IP.
Take care M
@@eric9069How
Smart from CATL to give you personalised up-to-date information.
Also known as a press release
no such thing as smax or etc or not, ceptuxuax, think, do, outx, can think, do , out x etc any nmw and any s perfect
CATL didn't give him any extra details from what we already knew
@@warpcode YEs, but you can say you have achievement something when the largest battery manufactured on earth includes you in the email list! CATL does have approaching 40% global market share and produce more than BYD/Lg Chem put together!
@@rwyo83they did not send him an email. He is a liar.
500 Wh/k is mind blowing. The pace is crazy. Put these in trains, buses, massive semi trucks no issues. Domestic air travel is even possible now.
BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@brucemitchell5637what do you haters live for? Seems like you're all very busy bringing people down. Not the life I'd choose for myself.
@@JoshuaMcTackett @brucemitchell5637 is living proof that the education system is failing.
Trains don't need batteries lol. We can just put power lines above tracks - just as we did for the past 50 years here in Europe. Even in buses you only need the battery if it's a long distance connection outside the city. Ya'll need to stop gooning to electric-whatever and just stop to actually think for a sec.
There's always a battery break through every week
. So far 100% of those haven't come to manufacturing volumes at any scale other than prototypes .. these included.. 😂😂 @@JoshuaMcTackett
Incredible even if it only has 1000 cycle life
BUT 18,000 cycles is revolutionary and unimaginably disruptive
Sam please fix your units. It's kilowatt hours per kilo and again you have to distinguish between pack and cell level. No way that somebody is getting 500 watt hours per kilogram at the full pack level. That's probably a cell level figure, so you have to observe these two distinctions. Watts is power rate kilowatt hours is energy level and the distinction again between Pack level and cell level energy density.
Last but not least in terms of misleading claims if you put a hundred kilowatt hour battery into a Tesla Model 3 it would get 20% more range than the current vehicle if the battery weight was exactly the same. If it weighs significantly less, you might get 30 to 35% more range, but even that may be optimistic. That does not remotely translate into a thousand miles of range. Not even close. Please reIn in these wild speculative statements - they are actually hurting your Channel
Even if it cell level it is still phenomenal so stop moaning.
Why let the truth get in the way
Didn't he say 1000 kilometer range...not miles?
It is 500 Wh/kg. Not kilowatts. Not sure why you're saying he is wrong with that. I have no idea cell or pack level. It is whatever most manufacturers compare it to when talking about these things.
Amprius also has new batteries that reach that level. 504 wh/kg of gravemetric energy density or 1,300 watts per liiter of volume.
The claims he is making is straight out of the manufactuers mouths I think by the way as I have heard them before in other videos. GT p
Except that range thing he said. If a Model 3 was getting 100 miles for 100wh/kg. Then you put a 500 wh/kg battery with all other metrics being the same into it. You would get a car that does 500 miles in a perfect world.
As the Tesla 3 in the example was getting one mile per watt hour.
Anyway Sam was right as far as wh/kg which is why these batteries are a big deal.
I THINK they are mainly going to be squeezing the aircraft industry for the moment though.
I thought there was a 720wh/kg already in China? That is my only question on this video. Does that not hold the record or is it since it was just a lab battery?
CATL wrote 205Wh/kg. Sam says that Elon said what needs to be achieved is 500W/kg. Do notice the missing "h" in the latter statement. Watthour isn't the samee as Watt.
This is absolutely amazing news, if it is really being used in the trucks that would show how well they can work. Hope we see more information on the trucks, range and batteries. This would be a game changer.
Solid state has one huge advantage that will keep its development justified, it doesn’t explode or catch on fire. Pretty important if you want to put on an airplane where nowadays they limit even your laptop batteries.
Current LFP tech is dramatically safer than jet fuel.
Good 👍👍 ..CATL also notice your channel .
Wow... you have direct email correspondence with CATL!... Cool! You're our inside man Sam!... because they know you're in the know... Now we know, they know... I'm amazed on how we can always count on you to deliver the goods first very often more than anyone else... Hats off to you, thanks for all your cutting edge insights... Where we get the news, hot of the press...
CATL has hit the holy grail.
They were so far from home, so how were they to know?
They just won the Vaporware award of the year 2024...
3 of them. There are 3 different CATL batteries hitting the market in the year - sodium, improved LFP, and condensed aviation batteries. They do different things at different price points. There is no single silver bullet or holy grail, but these each are an amazing innovation on their own. Together they solve nearly all the battery applications I know of, from grid storage to airplanes.
@@stefan2796 As in making a vaporware real? Other companies have been talking about batteries for aviation and fast charging and grid storage (3 different batteries here) and CATL is actually making all three of them, for real, right now at least in pilot plant volumes. This is not a science prototype on a lab bench.
No mention of projected price means it's meaningless. When I see both a production battery *and* a bean-counter's actual projected production price that's reasonable, then I'll believe. Until then it's just a glossy marketing handout. It sounds like the CATL marketing department was feeding him this, and he was just reading the promotional literature. I want thoughtful, thorough evaluations, not marketing crap that fails to mention price. And I honestly don't care what a $20,000 battery pack might be able to do. I want to know what a $2,000 to $3,000 pack can do. Then I can buy an EV I can afford.
I can't wait for these batteries to trickle down to ebikes and scooters.
What are you talking about? I bought my ebike almost two years ago. 😂
@@PETERJOHN101he means that he can't wait til these batteries get into bikes and scooters.
My loud, with deadly poisonous fumes, expensive to operate gasoline generators have been replaced by silent green energy LiFePo battery solar generators. My electric bill was replaced 20 years ago by green energy solar panels. My gasoline weed whackers have been replaced by battery powered weed whackers. My gasoline leaf blowers and lawn mower have been replaced by battery powered ones. My gasoline powered vehicles are being replaced by EVs. My battery powered bicycles are on order. Three obsolete expensive to operate and maintain gasoline powered vehicles and two jet skis are left to sell. RIP ICE.
Ultra clean natural gas engines are available 🤷♂️
I did the same thing. Next month the last hurdle will fall with a heat pump for my house. It feels good and it CAN be done. No problem. Good job @stevennelson7518. My wife still has a Hybrid vehicle but it is just rusting in the driveway as she is always taking my EV for anything.
Good for you. I live in Canada. I'll keep all my gasoline-powered stuff. And you can have all the self-congratulations.
Onanists of the world rejoice.
@@FeldwebelWolfenstool I live in Canada and have done the same as the OP.
The condensed matter battery does have very high energy density, but it is also about 10x the cost of their regular lithium batteries (such as the Shenxing 2 LFP battery). That is why it is focused on aviation. If they are putting it in trucks then I'm guessing they are just demonstrators, not an actual commercially-deployed product for trucks.
4C charging means 1/4 of an hour from empty to full. 1C = 1 hour from empty to full. The C-rate only relates to "range" when you also take into account the size of the battery pack installed in the vehicle. No matter the size of the pack, 4C means the entire pack can be charged from empty to full in 1/4th of an hour (15 minutes), for a range of XYZ (size of pack x 3 to 4 -ish).
In terms of cell life. LFP cells basically don't die, they just lose capacity slowly over time. Current LFP cells are generally rated around 3000 cycles at 80% depth of discharge per cycle to 80% of original capacity (after the 3000th cycle the battery has 80% of its original capacity). In an EV LFP technologies today can hit 6000. So 18000 is not actually that much of a stretch.
However, even though the cells might not die, the power electronics connected to those cells certainly will. This is the true limiting factor for a LFP battery pack... the BMS and power electronics inside the sealed battery and not so much the cells themselves.
SoH of LFP decreases to 80% of original capacity in less than 5 years according to the real users in China. this is huge for passenger and commercial cars which are used for over 10 years.
It's simply true that LFP battery is inferior to NCM
@@GON-lu4me your source for this claim?
@@GON-lu4me You are welcome to post a reference to back-up your assertion, but you're gonna have a bit of an uphill climb proving an assertion like that. In fact.... I have stationary LFP batteries about 3 years old now myself that are sitting roughly 98% SOH vs when I originally got them. They are cycled daily at roughly 50% DOD (off-grid application). If they're gonna lose capacity, they better do it quickly to match your assertions.
@@junkerzn7312 Back up, not back-up.
What's your source on the cost? And how many are they producing right now? As they scale up, the cost will go down by some percentage with each doubling of accumulated production, just like all other batteries. At least until they get down to the cost of raw materials.
From CATL's Thursday Announcement Department! Can hardly wait for the Friday Department's announcement!!
Hi, you missed it actually working in a vehicle in China.
So not just hype but supposed real life.
Take care M.
🤣 I'm staying up all night!!!
amazing that catl took the effort to write to you.
Not really. It’s business and social media cannot be ignored. It’s simply a press release probably using a form letter format they send to any site that is relevant. If true, great. Otherwise it’s just another form of marketing.
I will be rude here.."useful idiot" is often the expression used
EV manufacturers are ALWAYS looking for shills to promote they're crap. LOL! 😂😂😂
Are you serious?😅😅
Someone in the communications department at CATL must have made the decision that a RUclips channel with over 100 thousand subscribers should get an email. It's not like they flew him over to China. It's just an email and this channel is popular enough. The criticism of this channel in the comments is actually a good thing for relevance as per the the RUclips algorithm.
WATT HOUR not WATT. CATN shown you numbers in Wh.
RIGHT! "Wh" is NOT watts. It's watt-HOURS - a unit of ENERGY, not power (which a watt is).
Per kg
Yea, he has clearly not understood exactly what he is talking about.
@@BillMitchell-lm8dg You don't need to make silly corrections. Everyone knows it's watt hours when talking about energy but it's hard to find people still using the hours extension when talking about batteries.
Sam is thick.
The same company that stated they will have a 1,000,000 mile EV battery warranty with max 5 % degradation
Yeah sounds like Toyota banging on about their top secret batteries and hydrogen cars and all that other clap trap they come out with
WOW
All that fantastic mileage powered by Coal ......
@@budbud2509 In the US, coal accounts for 16% (and falling) of energy production.
@@DubEther ...and the UK just shut its last coal power station.
@@budbud2509 solar/renewables are a larger % every day coal is less every day
Amazing! Seems like every comment I write on watching your videos lately start with "Amazing" Things are moving so fast!!
This kind of capacity is needed for semi trucks!
If it works in a comercial aircraft ...
it'll work just fine in any truck 😉
@@tgdomnemo5052 I mean, current EV semi (Mercedes, Volvo, ) are useless jokes.
True
ALL trucks that tow.
Hi, it’s now just adoption that is the hold up.
Tesla Semi works, Pepsi are doing the proving in real life not the lab.
You can see that there will be a move over due to the price advantage, as well as the legislative move against burning stuff and having to breath that in.
Take care M
Not a 747 ! The image shown by CATL is that of a regional class turboprop, which typically carries 50 passengers or so.
Right. There is in fact a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company, an 8 seater. It's called ALICE and it's been in service for two years now.
Good spot.
We will see a resurgence of large seat capacity prop powered passenger aircraft
@@PETERJOHN101there’s a few others, some flight school and contractors who specialise in short haul flights suited to the battery range are using battery powered electric aircraft
Def an area to watch as it will grow
I have no doubt that CATL's condensed battery is real and already in production. The question is cost. The fact that it is currently deployed in commercial trucking application hints it is quite expensive.
As they are a very big producer already , they are in the best position to scale up to affordable levels very quickly. There will be an enormous demand if the price is available for cars.😊
The Shenxing is in production, CM prototype is not.
Actually the opposite. Customers would spend much more for airplane batteries, but if they are already in trucks they must be affordable.
I wonder how this will pan out.
@@tenj00true, but trucks would be good to test it, before using for aircraft
Why? are commercial truck companies stupid with money?
We are talking about different batteries here, developed for different applications. Instead of putting the same lithium batteries in everything, there is a special cheap battery (sodium) for budget EVs and bulk/grid storage. There is a special automotive battery (LFP) that is more expensive, but is very durable, higher energy density, and very fast charging. There is a special aviation battery (condensed state), which is extremely high density, but will be so expensive it will only be used in airplanes and the highest performance luxury cars.
Maybe in the long run, the aircraft batteries come down in price enough to be used for other applications, but even if they were free to make the supply/demand laws will have them bid up price by demanding application by aircraft due to constrained supply. The good news is that these specialized batteries are bringing clean power to more and more applications, accelerating the energy transition.
It has always been just a matter of time before battery technology developed to the point where ICE cars were redundant. We're not there yet but I believe it will happen in the next ten years.
Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car.
Yes, we are getting there. By 2028-2030 we should start seeing mostly EVs
Another advantage is benefit to the residents nearby the airport. The noise will is a friction of current noise level.
An electric aircraft powerplant sized for a large aircraft will still be pretty noisy though, one should keep that in mind. You need to pump huge amounts of air very fast, which will mean noise. But yeah, certainly less noisy than kerosene-fueled turbines though. :)
Drones are very noisy for their size. Making an aircraft electric doesn't make it quiet.
@@sang3Eta If you're ever heard a piston engine model aircraft, you would agree that the drone actually is quiet in comparison. :D It's not quiet on an absolute scale; it's quiet on a RELATIVE scale. ;)
@@lennyvalentin6485 the other problem with lithium batteries on a plane is that lithium melts through aluminium air frames like a hot knife through butter.
@@sang3Eta No that's not correct, you're probably thinking of thallium. Regardless the lithium in a battery is encased by multiple barriers and casings, and worrying about it is just silly. After all, aircraft fuel burns hot enough to melt aircraft airframes easily, so you should worry more about that methinks.
A short time ago we were lucky to go forty or fifty miles on lead acid batteries that were “lead weights”. They took their own sweet time to charge and were lucky to last longer than a couple years at fifty percent efficiency. Now we’re just icing the cake, not saving it world!
But if it still uses liquid electrolytes, its still potentially very dangerous in case of a major accident and the crash causes the battery pack to be punctured and a fire starts. I think CATL and BYD are working hard to perfect solid-state batteries, since there is no liquid electrolyte that could potentially become a fire hazard.
Hmmm.... Does Sam Evans think "Wh" means "watt"? It means "watt-hour", Sam, a unit of energy!
An easy mistake to make. I’m sure he knows the difference.
@@budawang77 don't count on it.
We all know, relax.
As a rocket scientist I’m smart enough to know what he means. Thanks for the heads up Bill, a bit tragic though.
You must be an engineer to be so precise 😂😂😂
If this is true then it should reduce the weight of EV's then?
Reducing the weight down to below that of an compatible ICE car is critical since it not only reduces the energy needed for movement but also reduces the wear and tear on any mechanical components, the four tires and the pavement. It may also enable the use of heavier more recycle able body components thus eliminating plastics altogether?
Current battery tech makes EVs the same weight as full size ICE SUVs, meaning the same weight is in a slightly smaller footprint.
Lets see some cycle life and discharge rates before we get too excited. There are many batteries with >500Wh/kg, but most of them don't last more than 100 cycles.
Didn't EV say 18,000 cycles or was that for one of the other batteries.
Lol he did say 18000 cycles what yall on rn?
@@erktrek The way he said it didn't confirm the 18k cycles was for the 500Wh/kg battery, so I assume that's actually another battery cell altogether. That CATL doesn't state any other performance characteristics than energy density and charging speed could be interpreted as those aspects might be less than impressive. Like, manufacturability/price, cycle count, shelf life, low temp performance and so on.
We'll have to wait and see I guess. A 500Wh/kg cell battery pack that's no more expensive per Wh than current cells (ideally no more expensive PER CELL), can be manufactured at scale and has at least comparable cycle/shelf life, charging speed and low temp performance as currently available cells would kill combustion cars pretty much dead as it is. And much more so if any other factors are superior to current cells as well.
I'd suggest caution rather than exuberance here though. Chinese companies aren't always the most trustworthy, unfortunately.
@@erktrek that's for low energy density battery.
I can’t wait for these batteries to be available in full size cargo and passenger vans with bidirectional charging and onboard power supply. This will be a much easier, better and simpler solution for camper van conversions.
With extended range and the roof covered with solar panels recharging the battery when sunny we’ll be able to go Boon-docking with confidence. All this without all of the noise, pollution, maintenance and reliability issues associated with an ICE vehicle. The electrified future is bright! 👍😁
Imagine the impact on renewable energy projects. The grid storage version would require less battery units, provide power to the grid for more hours reducing the cost of the entire project.
Lower cost grid solutions could help speed up the adoption of renewable energy solutions on a global scale.
There is a lot to think about here...
Lower cost grid storage with a battery that costs 10 times as much?
Amprius announced a 500kWh/kg battery last year having solved the 100% silicon anode problem. If CATL have found another way to achieve 500kWh that does not involve a silicon anode, then unless that technology precludes the use of silicon, then there is probably no reason the two innovations can't be combined. The same goes for solid state electrolytes.
I raise this because the headline to the video announcing that this "ends solid state" is silly unless it does something that makes it incompatible with solid state batteries.
The other thing to keep in mind is that there are so many announcements of "game changing" improvements in the technology that if all came to fruition, we'd be driving 2,000km on a pair of $5 AA cells by now. Those who are dubious about getting overly excited based on press releases are well justified.
Today AMPX earning call. Will be heavy loss?
Careful, the Electric Viking might make a news video about your comment.
Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car. And with battery costs dropping 50% this year...
Awesome news, but it is Wh/kg which is energy per kg, not W/kg which is power per kg. These are NOT the same thing.
He knows, he knows, it's just a form of shorthand.
@@PETERJOHN101 No, it's a form of rage bait, to drive comments and please the algorithm.
With a complete combustion or fission , approx. 8 kWh of heat can be generated from 1 kg of coal, approx. 12 kWh from 1 kg of mineral oil and around 24,000,000 kWh from 1 kg of uranium-235. There is still room to explore.
Battery tech and the potential for specs that impress us. That is where I've slways focused. How and where they are used is secondary to me. Industries will find a way to utilize them, at a profit.
Thanks for all your work, E.V. (I see what you've done there ;))
will also lower vehicle weight if you are using 1/2 as much and still go further than its predecessor. Even if costs up to twice as much your are in front a lot!
The catl semi solid state pack of 150kwh in the nio et7 by welion weighs just 44# more overall than the same size pack by catl using nmc cells of just 100kwh capacity.
So a tesla model s could use this for 40%+ more range at no weight penalty or cut 350-450# out and keep around 100kwhs and 400+miles.
Bringing a model S lr down to around 4,000-4,200# from 4,400# now.
It will be interesting imo to see what ev oems do once this tech is avaipable widely spread cheaply in a couple year's. I think luxury and suv/truck makers keep massive pack's for big range and to serve towing needs.
While mid size segment model's keep similar useable capacity but drop the 200-300# in weight and I bet the low end evs just stick to lfp/lmfp/m3p or sodium cheaper style cells. But improve the charging speeds for better daily useability.
I just want to know if it will make EVs more affordable and when.
It already has in China and places that don't have import Tariffs on Chinese cars.
@@ctuna2011
Sure, but BYD cars are crap and couldn't pass safety standards in the US.
@@PETERJOHN101 Tesla China already use with CATL batteries. Cannot wait to see what Tesla China produces using this new tech.
This is a bottom line question for the consumers 👍👍👍
@@PETERJOHN101 Do you really believe that? Because it’s completely untrue. I have test driven one. There’s a lot of them on Australian roads. The tariffs are to protect the American Auto industry.
Congrats to you for making it on CATLs radar. Frame that letter😎😎
Ita a matter of time and realworld hours clocked up on the stability of these cells under all weather conditions and vibration conditions.
HGV's could easily have upgraded trailers with Giant cell packs loaded under the chassis which could be swapped out for fast charging turn around.
Thank you:)
Thanks so much........Great news Sam
Reducing the cells and weight in cars would increases the range reduce the weight. The suspension can be lighter. Basically everything gets cheaper and lighter.
Great, I’m excited too
I'll add this to the game changer list. Will be nice if this becomes available in EVs.
Interesting. I rarely put more than 100km of gasoline in my car. Thus would never require 600 km charging. Important as this breakthrough is, super fast charging is far more important than battery range in the road vehicle sector. Aviation is a separate ball game.
There are several comments asking clarification of power density. Please add mine to that group. Gasoline is liquid and batteries are solid, so there's a translation. I think the standard unit is megajouls per kilogram, but I also see 12.2kWh per kg... I can't tell if "watts" is shorthand, or what... Also I'm new to this unit of measure. Keep going. love your channel so far.
500 watt hours per kilogram = 1.8 megajoules per kilogram.
@@kerryberland2847 Thank you!
Okay I found a chart that looks like it agrees with your number for Li battery. 👍 On that chart, gasoline has about 50Mj/kg… I’m trying to understand the assertion that batteries are more energy dense than gasoline.
…Okay the y-axis on that chart is “specific energy” (maybe?) and that looks like about 100x more than Lithium ion batteries… I still don’t think I’m understanding this. One is storage and the other is release rate, right?
At least one of these ought to show battery greater than gasoline….?
Please explain Sam…?
I want to hear that we’ve solved fossil fuels while I wasn’t looking, but I don’t see it yet…?
This was announced a year ago. There isn't a commercial product yet. I'm not sure this qualifies as news. No disrespect but The Electric Viking needs to Google first, then create videos.
He made the vid because CATL reached out to him.
Charging 1 km per second!? That's 180 km in 3 minutes! That is fast.
It's also 450 miles in 12 minutes and 6 seconds.
For electric planes, what is needed is a drop off battery, a primary battery that will be dropped off after you reach level flights and it will land by itself like a drum and a nearby airport. The body will discharge first and the second battery will be fully charged.At mid-flight, so you get a flying plane with a fully charged battery.I'm lighter
Thanks for the exciting news. One last detail needed, cost.
Hmmm....CATL announces it's going to create the largest charging network?
Does Tesla's decision to scale back its chargers make sense now? They probably knew this and we didn't.
In light of this it may mean that Tesla doesn't want to compete with CATL..... my guess is that Tesla has a non-compete contract with CATL and that would explain why they never tried to setup a 4680 line there. Now I wonder whether the whole 4680 program was actually a bargaining chip to force lower prices with CATL?
Tesla's decision to fire the entire supercharger team was due to Elon's wounded ego. No, it does not make sense.
@@4203105 I don't think autistic people have as much ego as the rest of us. They are much more interested in the truth.
Wow another game changing battery of the day
How dare you refer to *G*ame *C*hanging tech with such lower case frivolity! 😂
Yeh the rate of new development is stunning,only watched a video from this f'wit a couple of days ago about the last game changer.At this rate by the end of the week they'll have cracked it.
Hi Electric Viking, just to mention to you that in Belgium the RWD longrange is also for sales - TESLA confirms on its website that the range is 600km. Keep up the good work!. Best Bruno
Congratz on the growth of your channel. Long time viewer first time comment
Another good video Viking...keep it up.
Excellent report. Thank you
a misleading report however.
This would definitely open up possibilities for motorcycles, ATVs and water craft.
Not sure if the numbers work out but a workable battery electric cargo ship may be in sight as well; though I shudder to think what it would take to change it.
Super cool that CATL emailed you directly! Do they email you often?
A battery like that would allow someone with solar power home electricity to go off grid completely and not worry about a rare week straight of cloudy weather depleting their home battery. They could charge up their EV at the public charge station, drive home and replenish their house battery with the charge. Or they could barter KWh of electricity with anyone who has their own off-the-grid solar powered home
Solar-powered should be hyphenated.
Nowhere near enough energy density for airliners. CATL’s email mentioned a “ton-class prototype”. But still a very promising development.
I dunno considering they are testing short hop electric aircraft now using current batteries.. Do you know what energy density is needed for (at least) US domestic flights then?
@@erktrekThis is covered in some detail in the paper “Considerations for Reducing Aviation’s CO2 with Aircraft Electric Propulsion” by Alan H. Epstein
But 1500 kWh per kg is mentioned. The paper is well worth reading for anyone seriously interested in aviation and it discusses H2 also.
@@erktrekthere is no way the US will use Chinese batteries for aviation.. national security risk.
There is already a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company. It's been in service for two years now. It's called ALICE.
500Wh/kg is enough for short distance flights, even for big airliners. You can fly about half of europe with that. 1000Wh/kg is of course where it becomes really interesting. That's all of europe, a good part of the US, etc.
I can see big arilines ordering battery planes at that point, for most of their routes. Not only would that save them a lot of money, they could also start and land at night.
Battery chemistry (CEN July 14, 2014) had a very positive evolution since 2014 the LFP reported between 110-110 Wh/kg, Lithium-Cobalt between 150-190, and Tesla (Panasonic Lithium-Nickel-Cobalt-Aluminium) over 240. The 500 Wh/kg and even 900 was expected to be reached. What is really impressive is the 18 000 cycle capacity and the charging speed. Are we falling into the game of offering big battery packs with high levels of minerals and high autonomy without a real need? The average daily mileage in the US is 59 Km, in the UK is 29, in Australia is 33, in Italy also is 33, in Costa Rica is 26, Do we really need an EV with a battery pack for 1000 km?.
I think we should see PAST the car market (Which is already at a viable spot) ... semis,trucks,boats,planes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a time to be alive! CATL are amazing, I'm getting excited too Sam!
now all you need is fusion power and infrastructure
The US government, at its National Lab in Idaho, is testing, developing, small nuclear reactors. Notice that that is a US National Lab. There are about 28 of those, like Los Alamos and Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge was where huge centrifuges isolated the U-235 used Little Boy. It took years to get enough U-235 for one Little Boy, so the Plutonium from the reactors at Hanford was a God-send. That stuff was used in Fat Man, and subsequent copies of Fat Man. Point here is that we have ~28 National Labs and exactly ONE working on small nuclear reactors. Would five of them doing that speed up the process? The small nuclears could be installed near medium sized cities and generate e-. We will need them!! Fusion will be downsized and installed widely by 2100 MAYBE. I'll be surprised if it's sooner. BTW, at the rate we are going with GHGs, sea levels will rise 6 feet by 2100. Think of the chaos.
The way I heard this is 205 WHr/kg for car priced batteries, and 500 WHr/kg for "condensed" AEROSPACE priced batteries. Not 500 WHr/kg for CAR batteries. 205 is about 80% less than NMC batteries in Teslas, although at a lower cost per KWhr, and with faster charging and presumably higher fire safety and cycle life; maybe also the ability to charge daily to 100% to get all the juice out it per charge. A 500 WHr/kg car battery would be more of a game changer IF it were priced right, but not at aerospace prices (except for luxury supercars).
Thanks Sam!
If these developments are commercially viable, current battery packs could be halved in weight but offer more density, this in itself will increase range. The same 80kwh battery pack would be substantially smaller and weigh less - but introducing more range. Not to mention cost reductions. It is every ICE car manufacturer's worst nightmare.
ICE manufacturers also make and sell EVs. I think the nightmare scenario is for the EV haters out there.
Those batteries (if they rallye exists right now) are way more expensive, but if you have 500 kW/kg battery pack density, then you don't need 80 kWh anymore in your car, but only 70 or even 60, which meens cost reduction (less expensive cells in the pack) and even more weight saving. That's a total win-win situation 👌
@@ohger1 Why don't ICE manufacturers get on with it then? What is the delay? I don't care who makes them as long as they get on with it.
@@user-jt4fy4od9r The "delay" is customer resistance. The only EV maker making money right now is Tesla, and a lot of the money they're making isn't coming from actual car sales. Legacy makers are walking the tight line between producing EVs waiting for the change of customer wants and bankruptcy. Ford is trying to hold on while waiting for more acceptance of the Lightning and Mach E (both excellent efforts btw - I've driven both).
The fact is that right now, if any Legacy stopped ICE production and switched to EV, they'd be bankrupt in less than two years.
@@ohger1 the delay is not customer resistance. The delay is self-interested corporations not giving a stuff about their customers. Why do you think there was such resistance to a Tesla online purchase model? because the poor customer did not have to get shafted by the sales team at the local stealership? Tesla is making piles of cash off of every car they sell, because they are continually driving down the cost to manufacture. They don't buy in the bits from everywhere else, all of the 3rd party suppliers lumping on their margins.
Where I do agree with you is Ford - they are the best of the rest and doing as much as they can. I have never driven either Ford EV but I am sure they are indeed excellent cars. What everyone needs to worry about, including Tesla by the way, is what Chinese manufacturers are doing in the EV space. The development is relentless and the prices are low, with enormous variety. You can knock Chinese EVs if you like, in the same way Japanese imports were first derided with their chain drive cars.
EVs do not need servicing, they do not need filters or brake disks or pads or oil or filters or exhausts or clutches or gearboxes or spark plugs or injectors or anything else that keeps the dealership money extraction machine in fine fettle. I have been fortunate to have many cars, V12 Jags, V6 Jags, Saabs all the way down to a Ford Fiesta and even a couple of Chryslers but there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.
The longer the legacy auto industry take to pivot, the worse it will be. It is not a matter of having to continue with ICE - because the Chinese don't care and artificial tariffs, well they work both ways. As battery packs get cheaper and offer longer range and faster charging, the pressure on ICE will get worse, and rapidly. As for bankruptcy, Toyota is in hock with someone else's money to the tune of $280 billion, and servicing that debt just became expensive, no zero percent any more. VW is second and I think Ford is third - they are all trying to spend their way out of this with someone else's money. I want to see them ALL succeed, people retain good jobs, but no amount of Kodak saying Digital photography was rubbish (which by the way they invented) eventually washed with a public who could make their own decisions, without all the frenetic FUD.
100 kWh in a model 3 will give you slightly more range than a model S. Perhaps close to 500 miles but not 1000 as you state. Currently it does 341 with a 82 kWh battery, but the new battery would be lighter and increase range in that way. Depending on the volumetric density of the battery it might be possible to pack 200 kWh into a model S, and you would get around 800 miles of range.
Our next energy did that year's ago already with an in house prototype stock battery case model S, achieving 750+miles at hwy speeds in the cold Michigan weather and 850+in summer. You can find the videos on here of it.
Same dude who sadly got sold out by the obummer admin when he was leading the a123 battery company providing the og fisker karma with cells and had lfp patents that then got sold out to China. 😏
all that is needed is 200 mile range for +90% of your daily driving .even on road trips most people need to stop within 3 hrs for a break and you can top off then!
@@edo3169 100 miles would be enough for the vast majoruty of journies. But that isn't the point. In many geographies, access to a working fast charger en route can't always be assumed. Likewise, many people can;'t charge at home. All of which feeds in to the desire for really long range. If you could go, say, 2,000 miles on a charge, then not being able to charge at home would be much less of an issue if you only had to charge once a month or whatever. Likewise, you wouldn't need to charge for almost any journey. Obviously 2,000 miles is extreme. The point is more that 200 miles isn't much use if you are struggling to access good charging facilities. Maybe where you live, that's not a problem, but it is a real problem for many geographies. There are a lot of factors that go in to making EVs genuinely practical for universal use.
@@edo3169 I like stopping for five minutes, not 20-30 minutes.
@@dennispeterson6598 Yup, and if I do want to stop for 30 minutes, it'll be wherever and whenever I want, not mandated by my car.
205wh/kg vs 270wh/kg for 2170. They highest LFP battery, but not the highest lithium ion battery. 2170 has had 265wh/kg for some time now with current 4680 in the same range (stll haven't solved the dry silicon cathode prot blem - supposed to deliver more than 300wh/kg for a couple of years now).
400wh/kg required for commercial flight. We are not close yet.
Upshot is cheaper low end electric cars and blurring with high end at a lower price point.
Would expect ranges on entry level cars to go up.
I love the way you get excited over clean technology. I wonder, "Why doesn't everybody?"
1,000km range?
How about 500km range and massively reduced weight?
Standard range RWD 1765 kg, Long range AWD 1828 kg.
Competitive with any ICE or BEV car in a similar size and performance. AWD vs AWD, RWD vs RWD or FWD.
How about both? Some of us want really long range, and BEVs are already pretty close to the weight of ICE cars. I'm ok with a car that handles like a BMW M3, I don't need a race car.
Dang CATL
that's a very big step toward the goal of energy transition from fossil fuels, but before we say we can do that, we need to know a few more things: price, charging speed and number of cycles.
WOW if this is all true! Game changer for sure! No more range anxiety.
A loaded 747 weighs nearly 410 000 kg. How many tons is that?
its 410 watt per kilo 🙂
yesterday, i bought some bread from the supermarket. it weight in at 250 watts per kilo.
and tomorrow at 9:00 watts per kilo i have a meeting.
410 000 kg = 410 tons
@@milanbujna2957 no, everything on this channel is watts per kilo.
Li Battery in lab already demonstrated at 750 w-h/kg....
Takes 10 years to go from lab to mass production
@@dzhiurgis China will whittle that down to 6 months! Where I live there would be too many noisy objectors to even make a start..
Dear Electric Viking, The unit for energy density is "watt-hours-per-kilogram". Don't forget the "hours" when talking about it in your videos. You seem to forget the hours while speaking. The energy density of this CATL battery is really incredible - but that will most likely be connected to a cost. We need to hear about the price, too.
Just what the roadster 2 needs 🔥🔥🔥
My favourite pump and dump channel
Keep it up..
Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself
Likely right.
He keeps pumping but there is no dumping. Diamond hands.
Let me guess
petrol head ?
infested, ehm, invested in oil ?
😆🖖🏽😌
Catl is one of the biggest and most established battery manufacturers in the world. It is not "pump and dump".
There’s a consistent mix up on this channel, a Tesla model 3 with a 100kWh battery would go the same distance no matter what the energy density is, 100kWh is the capacity, not how it’s arrived at through energy density (agreed that a higher energy density battery would be lighter for the same capacity).
The idea is that having higher energy density per kg enables to have more kWh in a vehicle. Besides, 100 kWh from a 200kg battery opposed to 500kg battery does come with better efficiency.
Nope! If the battery has a higher energy density than the current Model 3 has, it means you can pack more batteries in the same battery space. That's gives you greater range I guess.
I seriously doubt a Tesla would go that far. Only in perfect conditions.
The new battery would increase the range by roughly 2.5 giving a true range around 1250km.
However, I think they'll keep the same range and just make them cheaper and lighter.
Mixup, not mix up.
@@user-ry5rt4yo1d That's gives ???
This is mindblowing news indeed!! Pfff I’m really excited for the future! Thanks Sam!
You are right, it is unbelievable. Show us the evidence in some real production batteries. Maybe after a car manufacturer has implemented them, can we see real evidence.
Thanks for bringing the latest innovations. you deserve every credit for the amazing work you do.
As the saying goes, if it is too true be true, usually it isn't
You mean too true to be good😉
😂😂😂😂😂 duuuuuude🤣🤣🤣🤣
TBF they are the largest battery maker in the world so their claims do come with some credibility.
For technological advancement that's not such a great rule. We use all sorts of technologies that would have seemed too good to be true before they were invented.
I wish I could share your enthusiasm. I hear about breakthroughs so many times but I am in the market now for another EV but the 1000Mile one is nowhere to be seen.
You don't need to drive a thousand miles without stopping😂
Great news. Maybe we will eventually see an affordable EV or affordable home storage batteries in the US
Congrats to CATL...Hope Tesla will cooperate with CATL to end ICE very soon
Seems sales figures are saying that the opposite is happening.
BAHAHAHAHA!!!! not even in your wildest wet dreams little fella! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
CATL and Tesla have a very good relationship and Elon just visited them.
I'm truly excited as well. Wow.
"CATL sent me an email" 😂 that should have been the title
500 watt hour per kg is twice as much as the current 250 watt hour per kg in NMC batteries. So what can you get from that? A current model 3 long range is rated at 350 miles, but only goes 250 miles in real world freeway driving. So 500 miles from a model 3. The F150 lightning is rated for 300 miles of range, but only gets 220 miles of real world freeway driving, or 100 miles when towing at max rated load. So an F150 lightning would get 440 mile freeway range or 200 miles when towing at max rated load. Basically it is approaching what gas powered cars can do. But that is no where near what you need for a battery powered 747 airplane. The fuel load in a 747 is 197,000 kg. That would be like having a 98,500 kwh battery at 500 watt hour per kg. At cruising speed, a 747 uses 65,000 kw, or 87,000 hp. So while cruising, a 747 would use up a 98,500 kwh battery in 1.5 hours. A kerosene powered 747 can cruise for almost 16 hours. So 500 watt hour per kg batteries are still a factor of 10 lower than what you need for jumbo jets.
It might make a twenty first century solar electric air ship viable!🤔
Watt-hour and gas-powered should be hyphenated. Nowhere, not no where. Battery-powered and kerosene-powered should also be hyphenated.
Sam you bring us the best news consistently in this new battery by CATL is just amazing and I certainly hope that all the cars and trucks and aircraft and boats will be able to get these batteries. Cleaner air means less cancer which is the whole reason that anybody that had any doubt about going electric should now be converted to the future of clean energy for the whole world!
they are all made by burning lots and lots of lovely diirty coal my friend
@@Withnail1969which Australia sells to China....😊
@@julianchung9215 China produces 4 billion tons of coal a year itself. It does not depend on Australian coal though it does import some. It's a drop in the ocean.
@@Withnail1969 let me clarify, my comment is that Australians relies on China's money for coal. Not the other way around.
Everything takes time to go from development to production. The most important point is to show that's its possible. Solar panels and batteries have both moved onto the tech cycle like computers. Over a few decades computers became incredibly better, faster, smaller, cheaper. People are applying that same innovation to batteries and it will change everything that uses power. It will take longer than the instant-gratification crowd wants, but fairly quickly on the scale of historical adaptation of new tech.
Extremely good news. Thank you Sam.
I’m definitely getting an EV when I return to the UK from Taiwan. Charging in 10 min or less is what I’m after. All these technological innovations are very encouraging. Liked and resubscribed. (RUclips unsubscribed me for some reason).
Why the need for such rapid charging?
@@martinwinlowbetter to have it and not need it,then need it and not have it.
@@newguy954 I suppose so but you will pay a hefty premium to be able to charge so fast. I wonder if you will actually ever use it rather than just have a battery size capable of 3 to 4 hours of driving (~250 miles) and just charge it at a much slower rate on a 'normal' rapid charger (~100kW) in the time it takes to have lunch. The cost saving of using a slower charger would pay for your lunch! And if you rarely do long trips, a smaller battery and charging at home is all you would ever need. Save a fortune on buying the smaller battery and saving a lot of energy, too, not having to haul a huge battery around everywhere you go.
@@martinwinlow On the other hand, the size of the battery can be reduced if you only need a range of 250 miles, and that will translate into a reduction of size and weight and hence efficiency of the car. Perhaps EV manufacturers will take this into consideration.
@@martinwinlow the bigger the battery the lower the charging cycle which reduces the speed of battery degradation.
Using a fuel tank will be like using a steam boiler.
Add wireless charging and you have a proper alternative to ICE.
Take care M.
Wow, thanks for sharing this content with us. It feels we are about to enter a new era in which everything that requires mechanical energy will be powered by high capacity long lasting batteries, all charged up with close to zero marginal cost electricity. I wonder if they’ll ever put this technology in laptops and mobile phones?
This is without a doubt the coolest thing I have heard today. Utterly amazing. And it does also, for you Tesla wonks out there - explain alot about what's going on at Tesla these days - this is radical change, and it requires radical response. Good work Viking
As an engineer, my brain doesn't compute when people say Watt when they mean Watt-hour. I know it's OK to make mistakes, just makes it hard to follow.
Can you briefly explain?
He does it constantly. Not sure he'll ever get it.
@@jsanders100
Watt is a measure of power, how much work you can do.
Wh ( Watt-hour ) is a measure of quantity of electrons or storage of power.
W ( Watt ) is a measure of power, it's not stored, just flowing. Comparing to speed and distance, Watt would be speed and Watt-hour would be distance. If you move at 100km/h for 1 hour you would travel a distance of 100km, if you move at half the speed ( 50km/h) for twice as long ( 2 hours ), you would travel the exact same distance.
If you charge a battery at 1 kW of power for 1 hour you would store a quantity of 1 kWh, if you have half the power ( 0.5 kW ) and twice the time ( 2 hours ) you would store the exact same 1 kWh.
Saying Watt instead of Watt-hour would be like saying that you travelled a distance of 100km/h when you mean to say you traveled 100km
It's easy to see that the person saying it just made a mistake, just makes the language imprecise specially when sometimes they might actually mean what they're saying and you wrongly think they made a mistake.
@jsanders100 Watts per kilo is Power Density - the rate the battery can put out power.
Watt hours per kilo is Energy Density - the total energy capacity of the battery.
@@patrickbeck4062 He's not an engineer. Have pity for him.
The future for EVs is bright and exciting. Legacy automakers should really get committed to EVs and provide a closing date when they will go 100% electric.
You obviously haven't seen the latest vehicle sales figures here in Australia?
Toyota has 4 in the top 10, including No 1, and EVs are nowhere.
Reality what a concept.
@@oldbloke204for now yes, its gonna change in the long run...
@@julianchung9215 How long?
I sure as hell wouldn't want to be dropping that sort of money on something that could be obsolete in 12 months and/or worth next to nothing.
@@oldbloke204 It's always so when newer things are developing fast. A ten year old smartphone is completely rubbish compared to a new. But one thing is clear, the biggest loser will be the ICE vehicle. It will be ice cold when this kind of batteries change the rules of the game.
@@julianchung9215
Yes, but it looks like it's going to be a very long run, Sam keeps raving on about the range and power of the new batteries coming through, that's all well and great, but that's not THE issue for most people, charging and convenience is.
Making EV's viable for the millions that live in apartments and getting charging times and access down to the equivalent that ICE cars and trucks currently have, is decades away, based on current development, and that's just in developed countries.
This is what numerous surveys have shown, most people don't want to have to take a back step from the convenience they currently have.