The Dark Side of Science: The Horror of Nim The Ape Language Experiment 1973 (Short Documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2024
- In 1973 an experiment began in which a male Chimpanzee was raised as a human as part of a language study.
The study mirrors the Donald And Gua experiment very closely.......
"Nim" Chimpsky (November 19, 1973 - March 10, 2000) was a chimpanzee and the subject of an extended study of animal language acquisition at Columbia University. The project was led by Herbert S. Terrace with the linguistic analysis headed up by psycholinguist Thomas Bever. Within the context of a scientific study, Chimpsky was named as a pun on linguist Noam Chomsky, who posits that humans are "wired" to develop language."
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psychology.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/891.full_.pdf
www.appstate.edu/~steelekm/classes/psy5300/Documents/TerraceReplyDraft7-26.pdf
books.google.co.uk/books?id=46zFWSUBzocC&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+chimp.named+nim&hl=ga&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=a%20chimp.named%20nim&f=false
www.ugr.es/~fmanjon/A%20Review%20of%20B%20%20F%20%20Skinner%27s%20Verbal%20Behavior%20by%20Noam%20Chomsky.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_Chimpsky
The worst thing about studies like this is that they've been used as 'justification' to punish and censor scientists in order to further political or social ideas that are ascientific. We'll never know what causes a lot of mental illnesses because the research that would uncover it is pretty much illegal.
You need several generations of chimps to react to humans, as intelligence is stored in the genes.
Ok now do ABA. Behaviorism has ruined far more human lives than animal lives!
Sounds like the professor was using the experiment as the world's longest and most expensive way to hook up with college girls.
Came here to say this 😂
It's a dirty job but someone has to do it?
@@mundanestuffYucky 😢
@@brimbobagginsit’s dirty what did you expect
@@1994CivicGLi18-24 year olds are dirty?
hooman: he cant make complex signs...
ape: wheres the weed at?
They shouldn't have taught him the sign for shake.
bushgardens in fl had a monkey exhibit that random people taught the monkey how to smoke and would throw him packs of cigs and lighters. that little monkey would get so hyped when you gave it cigs
@@nBasedAce If you hadn't given a name, I wouldn't know which ape was which, my fellow ape!
Only bro he ever had, no expectations, just shared weed...
@@LordAlacornif I were a lonely ape whose own kind ostracized me and had been confined to an enclosure by humans, I’d be along to smoke up, too.
Dude learned the complex sign that turned out to be the most important for him - the escape mechanism to get away from reality a bit. That’s incredibly sad, but I’m glad science bro was willing to share some joints, my guy was obviously depressed. I don’t know the actual ethics of smoking up with a chimp, but come on, nothing done to this poor guy was ethical.
"Lacking the required social skills, Nim became isolated and depressed"
He just like me for real
Yeah but people like the chino though :p
Aw…hugs ❤
So we did make him human.
Probably the result of a similar social experiment, one done on humans. It’s called Marxism.
You just casually dropping “at some point he was introduced to weed” got a big belly laugh out of me.
that one animal drug study where the result was that addicts will do basically everything to get their fix.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Plainly did a video on that one, too! : D
It was the 1960s and 1970s. You could not have a scientific experiment involving animals without giving them some sort of recreational drug.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosAs an ex-addict and a hominid animal, I can confirm!
@@stuffedninja1337 yeah, that's where I know it from.
I love that the only actual documentable evidence that Nim learned any concepts whatsoever was that he made the connection that joints got him high. Therefore, He would like a joint please. And the stoner actually gave it to him and formed a lifelong bond over it lol
Associative learning. Even Guinea pigs figure out weed smoke gets them high. The ones that like immediately begin sniffing it up.
Heck, probably helped with his depression a lot. Poor guy.
thats what stoners do lmao
I've seen it with several species over the years. If they like it, they seek it out.
@@scottmccrea1873 Parrots love heroin. Despite what people think about Polly wanting crack...
The story starts with a chimpanzee being placed with a family that may not have had any real experience with chimps and wasn’t very good at sign language. And then it kinda went downhill from there.
I think the experiment was worth doing. But it should have been done in a laboratory. Putting an ape in a human family is weird and wrong.
Koko (a gorilla) was a very different story. Nobody tried to 'make her human' as the video lies.
According to their criteria, my dog is closer to acquiring human language than that poor chimp, and he actually enjoys attempting it.
I'm positive that my cats understand far more language than that poor chimp; they just don't care enough to share their knowledge.
The reason they were using monkey was to prove to racists that Darwin was correct and assuming blacks and monkeys were cousins.
Is your dog a husky?
Dogs have been evolving to communicate with us for 15,000 years now. We’ve literal selected them on the basis of useful conversations to us.
Honestly I feel it would be easier to teach dogs and cats to communicate with us rather than a chimp because they have lived together with us for thousands of years.
I run an ongoing interspecies experiment with my pet chickens. With constant interaction over four years, I've found they've changed in superficial ways, while oddly, I've become more birdlike in surprising ways. The real eye-opener came as I was strolling in the yard yapping with one of my hens, when I realized the professorial habit I'd acquired of holding my hands behind me was simply a postural echo of tucking my wings back as my hen did! It came as a shock to me, and when I reacted with a "What the hell--?!!", my little hen let out a cascade of mutters that sounded like a rude laugh at my expense. The score so far: Apes, zero....and Birds, for the WIN!
Don't think you're alone! My wife has a flock that understands her (and she understands them.) We had a rooster that was - oddly - very good to us because we learned his "language" and paid attention to what he was telling us. Unfortunately we lost him to a bobcat, but he did his job and saved the flock of girls. Bonus: we get awesome eggs.
😂😂😂
Birds aren't real.
Have you started to lay eggs yet?
@@NoahSpurrierI mean they probably do lay something occasionally
Similar opinion has been reached about Koko the Gorilla, she was either trained to sign specific sentences or signed whatever to gain treats. But her handler couldn't be convinced otherwise and continued to push the narrative as such.
same goes for bunny the dog and other animals taught to use buttons to communicate lol
Chimps use language, it’s just very primitive by our standards. Gestures, movements, and violence.
@@serkotsinsi still believe the communication barrier can be breached. Animals clearly demonstrate a deeper understanding than most would think or give them credit for. We need those examples even if theyre staged, to get people to believe animals are as conscious as others know they are.
Washo correctly identified "baby" (me, as it happens) and signed "Baby" very excitedly without prompting when she saw me through the observation window with my mom. the scientists were exstatic, (my dad and brother are deaf, and were being allowed to visit to see how actual deaf people communicated with washo)
@@serkotsins as a lay-person I'd honestly be more willing to believe domesticated animals, especially ones like dogs that have been bred to understand that human noises are used to communicate orders, are capable of this kind of communication than a gorilla. not because they're smarter than a gorilla but they're more "tuned" to human communication than gorillas are. gorillas obviously being wild animals not selectively bred for usefulness to humans.
as for the buttons, my interpretation of those animals is that them communicating basic things is genuine (walk, food, water, catnip, names etc) but the actual quasi-conversations some are having is a mixture of a small amount of genuine communication, a lot of luck, the animal wanting praise and potentially the animal thinking the noises and the reactions they provoke are fun.
Nim's first combination of signs was "But I did eat breakfast yesterday."
Cannot tell what you are trying to say.
@@eadweard.how would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast yesterday. It’s some internet meme.
Scholars ans doctors cannot comprehend hypotheticals
I don't get it...
his ancestery checks out
The worker who shared cannabis with Nim seems to have been one of the few rays of sunshine in his life.
"...and, also, another lover of his."
😂🤣😂 This guy would definitely be an HR nightmare today. I was waiting to find out he'd taken one of the chimps as a lover! (Find out the chimp definitely knew the sign for, "It's not you, it's me.") 😂🤣😂
Jane Goodall was quite turned on by the apes she studied. There’s some nasty stories about it.
Back then, people were mature enough to hit, quit, and not try to win a lottery 15 years later.
I think we undervalue the fact that Nim Chimpsky was 100% successful at soliciting a random guy for a toke.
The assorted animal language studies from the 60s-70s are very surreal. The one with dolphins was pretty messed up.
Yeah, giving them LSD25 and tugging them off!?!!
Sex with dolphins is so messed up that it can be considered insanity.
The confusion, obstinacy and muddled thinking on both sides of this debate come across strongly from your video. The jury is still out as to whether humans have a hard wired language facility, as opposed to general intellectual abilities that are well suited to the development of language. But it is clear that linguists and primatologists have a most strongly developed arrogance faculty.
triple skepticism. If you going to skepticize us skeptics. Please spell it correctly. Also, double and triple skepticism are good, certainly.
@@nozrepIf you knew anything about English, you’d know that there are often multiple spellings of a word due to the many different regions of the world where it is spoken.
In fact, in the country where the language actually originated, it appears to be spelled “scepticism.” So if we are going to put one spelling on a pedestal over another, surely it would be that one.
Ooh, weird science! (Weird in this instance being unethical and horrendous). Thank you for the diverse content every week.
Though I'm a bit sad the chimp's response to "Say something" wasn't "Balls".
Can barely make humans out of humans anymore.
Interspecies communication is fascinating to me. I've likely spent more time learning their language than they have learning "normal" human language.
I live with seven cats and one dog. Every one of them can communicate their needs in a way I understand. Every one of them also knows their name when I say it, and I know their unique voices when I hear them.
It's not ASL but it most definitely _is_ communication. My better half and her sister speak and understand the language, as do some of our friends.
Animals and humans are totally capable of understanding one another and we have been doing that for millennia already.
The important thing is being attentive to how THEY communicate just as they need to be attentive to how we do it. It’s not a one-way street.
Those aren’t abstract concepts or syntax, though. It seems as though animals can learn a few proper nouns - 1:1 associations-and that’s it.
@@marktrain9498 I'm not so sure. For example, we have a family dog, Penny. If I say "I'm going for a walk" to my better half Penny does not react. If I say "Penny? Would you like to go for a walk?" she stops what she's doing and goes to where her harness and leash are kept. Same word, different reaction.
I have known dogs that react to words like walk, park, treat, et cetera whether it is aimed at them or not. In Penny's case she clearly understands the context.
@@mbryson2899Dogs and many other animals understand us. Parrots a few other animals can even seem to 'speak'. But none of them understand and comprehend language and speech the way humans do.
Evolutionary advantages programmed our brain to communicate at a much higher level. If you can, look up the Nicaraguan Sign Language.
In short, poor deaf children of Nicaragua got neglected. Without any outside help, they invented their own sign language. No other animal comes close to the level that our brains have evolved.
Bro was a stoner monke
Stone smoke time is also my favorite time of day, Nim knew what was up
he really named the chimp after his mentor’s critic 😂 academia can be so unserious
Ok, your animation of a "drawback" made me laugh waaay more than it should have. Well done!
Thank you!
@@PlainlyDifficultcongratulations on video #300! Here's to many more amazing videos! 🎉🎉
Yet another episode of “Why We Need Ethics Committees “.
Yeah…..this most likely wouldn’t fly today, or would be ended when the Ethics Committee asked:
1. What is your plan and show us the sufficient funds to provide for the chimp in a healthy and safe chimp environment for the remainder of its life after the experiment, including when he is a cranky adult who can rip you apart?”
2. What are your plans for re-socializing the chimp to other chimps following the experiment, and have you done this successfully before?”
@@Itried20takennames 3) Who is his dealer going to be after you leave?"
No, we don't. Ethics hold back progress
If the chimp is rattling off signs until he gets a treat, there's a flaw in the experimenters' Discriminative Stimulus (Sd) > response > reinforcement delivery. They should not deliver reinforcement until the Sd is delivered again, followed immediately by the correct response, then deliver reinforcement within 3 seconds if possible.
These stories about scientific experiments are always grim and there's no silver lining anywhere in the clouds.
Every once in a while, they keep other horrible "scientists" from making the _exact same_ mistake? 🤷🏼♂️
A story about someone doing something properly and without incidents would probably be pretty boring.
"Science isnt about why, it's about why NOT? Why is so much of our science so dangerous? Why Not marry safe science, if youre so in love with it? In fact, why not invent some sort of safety DOOR that wont hit you in the ass on the way out, because YOU'RE FIRED! YES! You! Pack things! Box! Door! Goodbye!"
-Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Science
"But Science..." 🙄
@@krypton1260 in the stories of disasters, it often ends with new safety regulations and realizations of how to prevent the disaster from happening again. The experiments generally end with the people/animals having suffered and the conclusion is "well that didn't work," with lifelong consequences for the people (such as in the stuttering experiment) or animals (this chimpanzee died young).
Looking back through the history of animal intelligence/language/culture studies from today's knowledge increasingly shows how human arrogance is a huge bias.
Love the dark side of science videos the most! All are outstandingly done, narrarated, edited, etc 😊
A superb video, as always.
(posted from A damp and rainy North Yorkshire ...)
You know, maybe it's not that important to know if chimps can learn to communicate with humans, at least not enough to make life miserable for them.
"The chimp, during his time in New York, had been introduced to weed" What could go wrong? 😆 Those were wild times.
They were HOPEFULLY trying to chill out his violent tendencies and not just doing it for laughs.
Better Cannabis than alcohol. Could you imagine a drunk chimp?
@@EagleBeagle4886 I imagine that somebody gave a chimp alcohol at some point.
@@desertrose0027 "Cocaine Chimp"
New movie I just invented about a chimp who is kidnapped from his family and avengers their deaths at the hands of science dudes who were studying the effects of different drugs on primates. Blitzkrieg Bop is the theme for the main trailer. Also he knows how to use guns for some reason.
@@EagleBeagle4886 Ok I lost it at the last sentence. 😆 I'd watch Cocaine Chimp. Sequel to Cocaine Bear.
It absolutely destroys my mind that someone had the job of watching a mother and newborn chimp interact, watch the development of motor skills of the baby and its wide eyed exploration of this strange and alien new world...
And THEN be like,
"So yeah, looks like Tuesday is gonna work best to steal her baby forever. Let's try and get it done by 10:30, etc etc.
For, you know, some random science experts who are gonna try and make it a little human.
Isn't that just the DARNDEST THING?"
And yeah, I know what happens in labs.
I understand scientific progress and the horrific toll involved through history, human subjects included.
Losing a child seems like not as a big a deal as say, a lifetime of torture in cage.
And it's pretty difficult to compare suffering.
BUT. After becoming a parent 14 years ago and again a few years later...
I would rather be tortured to death than lose a child.
And yeah, that's the sad brutality of existence:
We are MADE to endure, to make more children, after enduring that which is more pai full and terrifying than our own death.
The survival of any species is based on its ability to weather horror and terror.
In the shadow of those statements...
Destroying that mother's world was just another Tuesday.
For what?
Let's make chimpy HOOman!
You humanized a chump yourself in those paragraphs.
After being torn from his Mother, they expected him to perform??!! The trauma this little being and his Mother suffered.!! Then "they" were disappointed the experiment didn't fulfill there expectations. The audacity.
Perfect video to wake up to! Cheers, happy weekend everyone
3:36 lol. You manage to squeeze in a visual gag here and there, but this one can't go un-cheered.
Cheers!
Ohhh closing in to a million subscribers!! Cool video again :)
When my youngest (Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified) was in a new school and we were looking at the most appropriate special needs placement, the absolutely most terrifying option was the Special Needs K-1 class told me "We use a Skinner Model." I looked around the class. "What's the big ear for?" "If the child needs to say something about their feelings, we encourage them to whisper it into the ear." It was a giant plastic ear on a shelf by the wall.
(Also the outside door - a California thing - opened onto a downhill grassy slope that went right down to a feeder road into the subdivision. FUCK no.)
Well, fuck no.
I told the admins of the special needs department I'd rather homeschool than have her anywhere near that teacher. So off to a different school with a different teacher, and it was less bad.
That plastic ear thing is pretty cruel.... Jeez.
I was put into a Skinner-based behavioral modification special education class from 1965 to 1967. The reason, well, I was "different". No formal diagnosis, just "perceptually disordered", meaning the way I experience life isn't the way it really is (let that sink in for a moment). I was 9 when this nightmare started. Behavior modification including drugs, confinement in isolation boxes--this was the norm back then. Nobody thought it was cruel to treat little kids that way. How I wound up there was that I had a third grade teacher who was well-known for her mistreatment of certain students, so much so that she put a neighbor child in the state hospital. I remember my parents discussing this teacher when they thought I wasn't listening, saying how worried they were about what would happen in her class. Worried or not, nonetheless when the time came, they sent me off to her classroom. Talk about pushing someone in front of a speeding train! Oh I learned some very important lessons about life from that experience, lessons I'm afraid that my parents did not want me to learn, conclusions that they did not want me to draw, and I also learned TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT. You made the right choice in not sending your child to that school. I wish both of you the best of luck. And no, I do not have any love whatsoever for B. F. Skinner and his theories. If there is a God he has a lot to answer for. Maybe. What is far more likely is that God will reward people like Skinner and condemn people like me. And if anyone is offended by what I say, that is too bad. I am done keeping my mouth shut just to appease those who have power over me.
Actually compared to the way special needs kids were treated in the mid-1960's and before, it's rather humane. Try being confined to an isolation box without even being told why. I remember my first day at my new special needs school seeing a row of such boxes and asking the teacher what are those? "You'll find out," she said, and that afternoon I did. Still don't understand what I did to be put in one, still don't understand why the teacher couldn't have taken the time to explain what those boxes were for, but, that's the way things were. To this day I do not enjoy being in a cubicle but like so many other things in life that was just another thing I had to endure without any choice in the matter. Thank God I am retired now and finally free to live as I please, no more jumping through hoops.
@@theresemalmberg955Skinner was an arrogant, incompetent pseudo-scientist that had no idea what he was doing.
A very sad story about a poor little innocent chimp being put through human hell.
Rest in peace, little one 🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀
Great video. The animation of the chimp mother giving birth was HILARIOUS!!!
Fascinating story, thanks for bringing it to us
This calls for a bad scientific experiment bingo card. Some squares could have the following: 1) trying to prove a theory wrong 2) Letting ego get in the way of things 3) Causing short term or long-lasting physical damage 4) Causing short term or long-lasting mental damage 5) Doctorate candidate desperate to get degree 6) ignoring ethical concerns, and more.
This! ☝️
@@hvcomputechThank you.
Behavioralist are the worst crazies in the science fields. That birth of the baby was one of your BEST animations!
It really seems like none of the scientists stopped to think "do they have vocal chords?"
😂
They weren't trying to get apes to talk. They were trying to teach them sign language.
How did this comment get 23 likes (as of now)? Amazing.
They do have vocal cords.
@@leftear99
Yeah, they make sounds, and so do dogs, cats, cows, bears, etc. That doesn't mean that they are physiologically able to pronounce human languages.
@@Trobtwillis Good thing I didn't say or imply that they were, eh?
Can anyone remember the 1991 UK TV series called Chimera about a Human Chimp crossbreed? It just flashed back into my brain after 30 plus years! 😂
Of course I quickly looked it up and it's on RUclips!
Very much so.
They are crossing the defunct US southern border by the thousands now
Yes. I remember being frightened by it's appearance.
@@nerdygoth6905 There was another Human / Chimp hybrid TV show but I can't remember it's name!
@@S-T-E-V-E What about a human gorilla hybrid? Gorilla-human and Chimp-human hybrids do not exist in real life because gorillas and chimps cannot and still do not inter-mate with us.
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Congratulations on video #300 ! 🎉🎉🎉
The final episode of Gordys Home was an absolute tragedy!
Nice reference. That's a NOPE from me dawg
Cheers to the man sharing some time with an old friend. I mean Nim, not the guy 😅 seriously, kudos to the man for being "a friend" to nim.
That original chimp video is how I found your channel 😊
I have heard this story before and it is incredibly sad.
God, experiments back in the day used to be crazy unethical. It's amazing what people got away with back then under the guise of research.
i stg your a bot post that same comment in the first minute of any of his videos it fits loser attention grabber
under the guise of research ? it absolutely was real research just completely unethical research
You act as if ethics are a thing that actually exist in academia
I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, I'm a huge animal lover and I despise the whole idea of animals being involved in experiments. On the other hand, I'm really not a big fan of primates. Like, AT ALL. They're just too creepy and uncanny for me. I think it's because they're so similar to humans, which are creepy to begin with. This still wasn't a very nice thing to do though.
In the future people will look back at today and say we do unethical things.
Thats a disaster waiting to happen...there is no way that an animal that's several times stronger than you, even as a young one WITH unpredictable behavior should be pet. EVER .
Girls be like: But he is so cuuuuuuuuute!
Yeah, remember "He bit her face off!"
What I hear is stupidity at its finest.
If they're injured it makes a lot of sense to do so, however need to also consider these animals won't always leave on their own, some simply allow themselves to be a pet/guardian/animal partner/friend of the person who raised them. A prime example is a Luna_the_pantera. They cannot go back due to trauma and are left to die as a child and this is more of a case of the animal itself refusing to.
There are sometimes reasons why people who raised them but let them back in the wild never forget them. In fact, there was a guy Damian Aspinall who reunited with the gorilla/friend he rescued.
I mean, horses and some dogs are definitely stronger than me, but primates are not pets, especially chimps.
That little chimp isn't several times stronger than me, lmao.
Later he tore her face off and wore it in an attempt to get a bank loan to start a banana stand.
I've heard there's always money in there
@@Omnywrenchit is
There's always money in the banana stand.
Being a teacher in S.Side Chicago i read a lot and i could add to this sad story...
We studied the story of Nim in my Linguistics course in Harvard. My professor was highly critical of Terrace and the others.
Once Chomsky puts his two cents in it pretty much tells one that the other side is right.
If language is ONLY innate, don't ever talk to your kids and then see how well they speak/read/write
It seems to me that Ceasar childhood in the first of recent "Planet of the Apes" movies is largely based on the live of this poor mate.
Thank God we have scientists doing the hard work to prove that animals are not humans.
"Stone smoke time" is pretty good for an ape, that's combining more than one word to make a concept.
Cheers John.
Reminds me of the Mouse Utopia Experiment. Anyone know if Plainly Difficult has done a vid on that one yet?
I have pet ducks. I could never remove one of them from the others for a stupid experiment! People are fucked up in the head.
Sanctimonious drivel.
@@eadweard. So is your mom
@@munky123jw Quack flap.
@@eadweard. Skin flute player
@@munky123jw Almshouses.
3:35 "drawback"! nice one :-) what happened to the "side note"?
"And if you do that, an interesting thing happens - The word Cruel starts flashing"
It sounds like Terrace, despite working under the Father of Verbal Behavior didn't train his experimenters properly or didn't know how to do it himself.
Well done
Thank you!!
Yes, the first part is almost 2yo
I was pregnant with my son at the time and my hormones-ridden emotions were so shook by it I had days nightmares about it.
did you see the final report on the fern hollow bridge collapse john?
Reminds me of the movie “The secret of NIMH 2.”
Great vid
that graphic at the end - summed up how evil this was.
Horrifying and brilliant this one
Just so very cold and cruel! Heart attack at 26? They usually live to be about 40! RIP Nim
A study about the about the potential of chimps to learn from a guy who can't learn to keep his hands off his own students.
I’ve never heard of Nim’s story
The only story of human/chimpanzee interaction I know of is the infamous story of Travis.
Great outro music.
If that was even human raising, but it was as traumatic as all of our upbringing. Trying to coerce a child to behave as adults wants him to behave. No space for natural behaviour, exploring, bonding, playing. Just stupid spoon and other toddler trainings that most parents do.
I think for that to be succesfull the family should communicate only in sign language. If they communicated with words, but expected him to communicate in sign language that they themselves would use sparingly, it would create frustration and confusion in him. Its more like a torture with emotional deprivation. Poor chimp.
4:27 well I didn't expect to learn THAT today
5:42 this gangsta chimp over here throwing up rakes oof😂
"This, is Herbert S. Terrace"
Hey, I recognize that guy from being in _Dick Tracy_ !
10:20 "as it is to satisfy a demand that it use that symbol in order to obtain some reward"
That's the description of having a job.
There was also a study done in the 70's thhat Paul Harvey wrote about in his daily stories in the newspapers- the they taught a chimp sign language an all he would sign is "let me out"- i have the article in my old year book if anybody wants a cooy
It was not a good idea. And it was obvious it was not a good idea before it was attempted. How many disasters of the last 120 years can be laid at the feet of ambitious scientists?
Not NEARLY as many as can be laid squarely at the feat of ambitious capitalists. Come on now.
@@user-yn4xc8kt3iHmmm. Did "capitalists" build atomic and thermonuclear bombs? They did not. Did "capitalists" decide to use poisonous gas on their enemies? They did not. Did "capitalists" create bug spray for people? They did not. Did "capitalists" decided to wreck half of Europe and kill (through the work of scientists) 50,000,000 people? They did not.
No other form of organization has done anywhere near the level of damage - in terms of numbers dead and amount of stuff destroyed - than government. And no other organization has employed more scientists to more pernicious ends and effects.
*Next time you wipe your ass, thank a capitalist.*
Remind me of the old vids
3:35 New meme template just dropped. What PD meant by this?
I wonder where i've seen this copying and reward driven behavior before...
... Oh right, in humans of lesser intelligence!
They see what others do when they get rewarded, mimic their behavior and expect a reward themselves. But completely forget that there's more to it than simply doing the exact same steps.
Adaptation to changing environments and requirements, the ability to think outside the box.
Also, from personal experience, all animals can learn to communicate their needs and desires. Doesn't mean they are sentient and/or can communicate on a human level.
They just learn that A leads to B so do A and you get B. My dog knew A LOT of methods to get food, water, treats, walks, pets and in general... Attention.
However, there was one thing my dog was particularly good at. Pathfinding.
Whenever we were out walking in the woods, where my dog wasn't on a leash, any time we came to a junction on the trails, he would almost always (statistically significant) take the intended path. He didn't look back at me, he didn't get told where to go. He just knew that TODAY we are going this way as if he knew from many factors (my mood, my physical energy, my "stress level" from time constraints etc etc) that this is the path we are taking today.
My dog was very intelligent in most respects, having the ability to figure out puzzles i set for him. And he recognized anything new, like a new leash, and knew to be patient when putting it on.
Dogs, IMHO, can be incredibly intelligent.
On a side note, while not perfect, dogs can understand new sentences when spoken to. And dogs can understand other humans speaking to them. It's not all just tone in voice and volume, they can infer meaning from words before and after a new word they have never heard before.
I've also heard dolphins are quite intelligent and they should have (and i bet they have) tried such an experiment with them.
So sad for Nim. Humans really suck
It's never a good sign when your opponent is known for their leftish takes and your ally is the guy who invented abusive game mechanics.
A better question: Why not a Parrot?
Oh look, a new difficult story! It must be Saturday.
I worked with a guy whose family raised chimps....I am like 90% they had something to do with this, or a study super similar to this... and he told me stories about the day to day struggles of integrating a chimp into a family.... I kinda wish I had paid more attention to what he had to say.....
The music in the background is brutal. Couldn’t watch to the end.
1:01 I knew I was having this deja vu feeling 😅
Bedtime for Bonzo was fiction; I question the good sense of those 'scientists' who tried to make it real.
You would think they'd recognize that those first ten days raise questions. It seems obvious to me that, should the experiment not demonstrate Skinner's theory, his defenders would insist the problem was with the experiment and not the results - "maybe there's something in those first ten days"
Not even getting into the ethics and mismanagement, it seems there were already deep structural problems before they became an issue.
I thought we learned a long before these experiments that animals may work for pets, labor, transportation, resources and company, but not for near-people. Trying it hurts the poor animals involved despite them not wanting this in the first place.
Peter the Dolphin? For cruelty contrast and comparison.
Just as cruel but in a different way.
This reminds me of the Open University documentaries of the 1970s. Beards, sandals and pretentious moralising.
The way the sociobiologists sold Nim and the others to the public was by making the ASL experiments sound like raging successes.
Nim was a day older than me!