This is one of the best interviews I’ve ever heard, and Jim and Charles you two are inspirational. Charles you’re an unsung hero and spiritual leader. Your connecting our prayer to personal responsibility is powerful and instructional. But as the caller says, our very existence contributes to the problem at this point , prayers and contributions are negated, I’m afraid. But, yes , we must keep trying , no matter what.
Great post my unknown friend. I follow both of these great individuals. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER
... Greta is telling us its time to start panicking, to force those in power to do something, and these guys have the audacity to say calm down or stop pointing fingers or just take time to grieve or some other version of "you are doing it wrong." And then they have a pissing contest to see who can come up with the most clever or beautiful or poetic way to say "we're fucked." This kind of discourse is a total luxury. These two guys aren't losing their home, their landbase, their culture, their lives, the animals and plants they rely on for food. They have the time and resources to wax poetic about all this. They need to just SHUT UP. As Greta says in the beginning of that press conference.... "Me and Luisa will not be speaking today, instead we will let others speak. We are privileged and our stories have been told many times over and over again, and it is not our stories that needs to be told and listened to, it is the others, it is the people, especially from the the global south and from Indigenous communities who need to tell their stories." You hear that guys????? That's how you use your privilege. Where is Rose Whipple's platform on PDA? What are you doing to help get her story out there? Listen, I still don't know how to use my privilege but I want to start trying and I know its not going to be most utilized by just sitting around trying to sound astute and writing these articles and books that white privileged people can fawn over so they can feel better about themselves, feel like they are doing something because they listened to a podcast or forwarded an article. I know I sound angry and I don't mean to target Jem and Charles. And I know this post has a fair chance of being taken down because its not "positive" and is scolding the very founder of this entire "movement". But I deeply deeply relate to Greta, I have always felt as she does and it really really sucks. Its not fair to have to carry all this weight while others go about their business. I've been told my whole life to calm down or lighten up or that I'm going about things the wrong way or that I'm crazy or alarmist. And yes this can break you. This is me, breaking a little right now. We can keep telling ourselves that everyone is just doing the best they can but that's bullshit. We aren't doing the best we can. If this is the best we can do, its fucking pathetic. So thank you for taking the time to listen to this "angry Earth lover"'s rant. I'm not saying you should be angry too, but if you are its OK!
Dear Kurt Are you familiar with Guy McPherson? Now there's someone to get angry with! Dear man, the news is far worse than you think and I would like to share this Metta with you and everyone sensitive to our combined future - May you be filled with Loving Kindness, May you be Well, May you be Peaceful and at Ease, May you be Happy X
Another wonderful interview with the great Charles Eisenstein, a true genius of our time. Just a pity Jem kept cutting him off, especially after we only heard the 1st of Charles’s 4 priorities for dealing with the global mess.
Hi ! It's great to see people talk, discuss and try to find solutions in the face of climate emergency and extinction. Please Invite folks from the 3rd World, as a vast majority of humanity actually lives there, and not so much in EU or North America.
Too late, we needed this change to sacred economics and 100% human participatory voluntary drawdown and treating nature with love in the 60’s. Now, climate change , over population, and resource depletion will cause imminent civilization collapse. Then the nuke plants melt down, fossil fuel particulates fall out of the atmosphere causing a major temperature spike, probably including a huge methane release. Really, does anyone think we can survive this? Let’s talk about walking into our own extinction while we destroy this once beautiful earth. Let’s talk about living out out remaining time with dignity and love for each other fully knowing that by now it’s futile.
Yep yep. People of the future (if there are any/ barely hanging on) will see us as barbarians either causing or mostly oblivious to the unsustainable rapid changes to the world, indulguously living in fables of fiction and everlasting "good progress". Or at least most of the sheeple. Think someone once said "the way to tell this is an insane world is that the sane people are labeled as insane radicals". Way too many people in denial 20 years ago it seems and even today lol. Or in hopeless delusion for a quick cinematic-esque turnaround at the last possible moment. Let's get real tho, it's been collapsing for a while, and as Terrence Mckena said, "The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it’s only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse.” Lower mentally functioning people who are indoctrinated by the progress myth and live entirely in their emotions and 'here and now environment won't realize it until the grocery shelves are pretty much always bare & way too hot. Even then, I'm sure there will be scapegoats, false hope and denial among the masses xD
I appreciate one of Bendell's questions from a more buddhist-like perspective (why need progress at all? can we accept what is and our end as a sacred moment in itself?) and Eisenstein's continual entertainment of the possibility of a new reality beyond our current understanding. It's fascinating to move between the paradox of embracing this divine process and striving for "greater" potential.
37:00 THANK YOU CHARLES!!!! His words articulate what is really an undescribable collective upwelling of the coming awakening!!!!!! PLANT MORE TREES AND TAKE YOR GRANDMA OUT DANCINGGGGGGGG 🙏
"Better start planting trees' ruclips.net/video/OvCxDOS6ogk/видео.html ,this is what happens when individuals and groups fail to be brave and stand up for the truth where ever you find it. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some much needed light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
*Recorder Investigation: Tracking wood thieves (2019)* has English subtitles, it explains how the racket works. ruclips.net/video/sb4FCyRiuro/видео.html 2020-02-13 UPDATE: "This Recorder Investigation is among the press material used by the European Commission to motivate activating infringement proceedings against Romania due to the illegal logging. Proof that journalism counts and produces effects."
Hm. The curing of the woman in Hong Kong via a spiritual experience....can that individual experience be extended to the body politic? Does the body politic want to be "cured"? The power of large group meditation to affect the local vibe is something I find fascinating, but I wonder, can it be used to help people love the planet, and each other?
"Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect..-Chief Seattle 1848...I keep thinking with every passing catastrophe people will take a stand and say enough is enough...But now I'm not sure that moment will ever come...Our indoctrination is so complete...Our separation from the natural world may be irreversible for a majority of the population....I think only collapse may awaken the masses to a different narrative....Only collapse will force the masses into a true respect and appreciation of nature...Only collapse will force us to depend on each other, have respect and empathy for each other.....The longer this system stays afloat, the slimmer the chances for any sort of recovery....I don't buy the near term human extinction narrative, but, near term collapse is inevitable...Everything meaningful is already in the process of collapse....We don't need to overthink what is occurring before our very eyes....The ice is melting, mass extinction is ubiquitous, the cruelty of our civilization is undeniable...These systems of power need to be dismantled...A kinder culture needs to be replicated....Unbridled ambition must be quashed....We simply can't allow psychopaths to gain power.....But, none of this can occur before collapse....But, will the damage be complete, unrecoverable, certainly possible.....Living simple, empathetic lives is certainly part of the answer, how could it be not....
Charles sharing his experience around minute 15: that, exactly that, is what makes a human become vegan (for those unfamiliar with the meaning, veganism is an ethical stance that understands the inherent 'right' of nonhumans to a life free from human oppression). Most vegans became so by such sudden realisation of what life means, or perhaps what it means not...
Lovely post which is exactly how I feel. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some much needed light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
Agreed we Should preserve pristine or near pristine environments. Absolutely. Don't be misguided by what I'm about to say, I'd very willingly sacrifice myself if it did any good to saving some of my fav ecosystems. The way it is at present tho, and traditionally, human needs come first. Animals are allowed to exist, if they serve some kind of purpose. Everything has to be given a monetary label/ provide some kind of income to be protected. And even then, if something is more valuable to damage/ exploit than keep for tourism/ for whatever spiritual/ etc recreational reason, we all know which way it'll end up... It absolutely sucks, I want to fully reject it... but is the way it is more than not. Especially here in FL, just a couple or few hours from me is one of the most remarkable freshwater and coastal regions of North America if not the world in the Suwannee and Santa fe river basins, largest concentration of large springs and very protected expansive marshy coasts. Although at first it seems near pristine (especially compared to Central and South FL), the springs and aquifer are being unsustainably pumped (mostly for agriculture) and of course way too much nutrient input from agriculture, and with sandy p*ss poor FL soil, too much has to be applied and has large runoff rates. The springs and major tributaries seem to dilute the pollution at the moment, but probably not forever, and of course the Sueannee is the last river system gulf sturgeon are thriving in... I know lots of rational people would probably tell me "cut your losses, FL's 'leadership' is beyond redemption and agriculture and urbanization pressures all over the state will only worsen" likely true, but I still can't help myself, can't just abandon places I majorly love and know are super unique & irreplaceable. And no this is not new realizations for me, I've already had plenty of sanity bender episodes on this starting/ peaking in early 2022 lol but I guess unlike most people I know accepting, processing and moving forward with grief is the safest most sustainable way But yeah if anyone knows any ecological grief communities that are actually pretty active/ more about certain earth features more than just climate/ human survival, I'm all ears Wish I could keep the best most praiseworthy regions a secret, but too much is at stake, and likely will diminish anyways over time. For those in disbelief/ don't want to believe North central FL springs and rivers won't decline, Highly reccomend the FL water crisis book by Mr Dunn, the "Fellowship of the springs" amazon documentary, the Oral history Dr. Bob Palmer youtube lecture, & some sections of the Suwannee river guidebook the one with a blue cover Edit: and this web page oursantaferiver.org/protect-suwannee/
Don't discount the Angry Buddha or Bahai or etc. Jem, I heard you speak ill of Greta Thunberg here for her vehemence and wrathful compassion. You do not understand it, Jem. This is also "the work." Of course, you like many, also fear her righteous, female (kuanyin) anger. Western Popular Buddhists are often unaware of wrathful compassion and right anger. This is why Buddhism in the West becomes trite, pillow-sitting, naval gazing, incomplete, implausible, pop-psychologizing, and expensive in the West! Just saying "there should be no separation" is not "the work" or the path to the true dharma. In fact, it is not even a path to the "unity" or "peace" being extolled like virtues in the trite aphorisms and platitudes of the popular and trendy hippie Buddhism of the Occident. The dark aspects must be called out. This is "the work". The shadow must ultimately be integrated in this work, the most difficult work of all, meant only for warriors. The work on this dark aspect remaining on Earth level is massive and dangerous, which is a large part of why 'we may not pass this initiation' as Charles Eisenstein has said. There are also vast, expansive hellrealms. Underestimating the dark aspect in this kind of trite over-simplification of the concepts of peace and unity is now deadly for true light workers who must face the beast. This is very difficult work, and only a Bodhisattva of high level, like Greta, can even attempt it. There is a reason for this testing. More on Right Anger and Wrathful Compassion in Real Buddhism: "We live in an age where we're told to not to express our anger, but Buddha would disagree. .... sitting on a cushion and doing idle work while we ignore injustice is not what the Buddha had in mind. This is where compassionate wrath and right anger come into being. In the face of abuse, emotional cruelty, rape, murder, discrimination, pollution, corruption, and brutality, we should be angry. For the sake of all beings. Anger simply arises and it calls out for further investigation. In Pali, each step on the Path - samma ditthi or right view, samma sankappa or right intention, samma vaca or right speech, and so on - is characterized by the word samma, which is conventionally translated as “right” though never as “righteous.” Samma has a rich range of meanings including: proper, complete, thorough, full. In this case we might have a newly compounded term, samma kodha, which means something like proper or appropriate anger. That is, anger at violence, oppression, and injustice by which suffering beings impose on other beings. For Dr. Ambedkar and for the movement that has emerged from his activities, anger may very well serve to point the way to refuge in the Buddha’s way, and to all the other steps along the path." Buddhists must not fear strong emotions such as grief or right anger. These can become excellent dharma lessons and very often indicate where work is needed. There is often too much emphasis in Western Buddhism on doing nothing when right action is needed or feeling nothing as a form of detachment often accompanied by too much time sitting on a golden cushion. This is also a danger to the true dharma. -From The Buddhist Peace Fellowship on Right Anger (Samma Kodha from the ancient Pali): www.buddhistpeacefellowship.org/right-anger-and-the-path-to-the-end-of-caste/
We need the keto diet equivalent to environmental health. The keto diet is the only diet shown to control or reverse the symptoms of epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, etc. It also shows similar benefits for metabolic syndrome and mood disorders. The healing effect includes increased insulin sensitivity, anti-inflammation, autophagy, stem cell growth, and so much else in how diverse systems in the body function, from the hormone system to the gut-brain axis. One explanation why this potent body-wide response happens is because, during evolution, ketosis would have been a normal state for humans to be in on a regular basis. But with the modern high-carb diet made possible with industrialization, we no longer reach ketosis very often and so don't see the benefits. We simply have to remove what is doing us harm, a crappy diet, and the body begins healing itself. What if a similar principle operates in the environment?
And yes Charles, it is like this, ‘50 years ago i was skiing with a teacher and he started to hit many times the beginnings of a tree and i felt so strange and kept wondering why - there was no reason for it’ - i never forgot!
WHERE does our ecocidal civilization draw its energy from? WHY are we destroying all life on Earth? Why are are we focused on GDP, over-consumption, money, domination? To me its very important to get to the bottom of these questions ... I agree, it has to do with unmet needs and substitution ... still, how come we created such a system in the first place and why is it so addictive that the entire planet seems to be infected ... ok, the appeal of economic success/comfortable live and telling great stories (movies) about it -- but why is it apparently so numbing, so compelling that we totally lost touch with everything other than consumption, greed, power and money while feeling increasingly depressed, alone, turning to all sorts of addictions to make it bearable ... I wonder if capitalism really is the logical result of the dominant part of human nature ... and if so, which humans exactly are we talking about and why do they seem to run the show?
29:12 Why aren't we trying MCB yet ? If we wanna know whether Marine Cloud Brightening works, why aren't they trying it NOW on a small scale to measure its impact. Then, if successful, apply it on a planetary scale. I mean, hasn't this become urgent enough yet ?
Yes all these great individuals really need to actively join forces . Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
Hi Jem another great upload. We are already subscribers. I think Charles is right on the money here with the human journey. We will progress because its all part of the universal scheme of things. We know from watching your work that you think what is coming is a complete ending. We believe that it is a complete ending to the current civilisation model. We think all these pointless geopolitical games we are currently witnessing ,will be put into perspective by the steadily increasing climate chaos that will reach such unimaginable proportions in the coming years [a lot lot quicker than many think] as to force the world governments to unite to save any form of civilisation. Please Check out XR members Tripzville [from NZ] and their track "the Nikola Tesla song" ruclips.net/video/e9IOnWzoN8E/видео.html . Music is a very powerful medium.
This is one of the best interviews I’ve ever heard, and Jim and Charles you two are inspirational. Charles you’re an unsung hero and spiritual leader.
Your connecting our prayer to personal responsibility is powerful and instructional. But as the caller says, our very existence contributes to the problem at this point , prayers and contributions are negated, I’m afraid. But, yes , we must keep trying , no matter what.
Great post my unknown friend. I follow both of these great individuals. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER
I mean Eisentstein is clearly crazy lol. Wow, inspirational? Fascinating. Read my post for more :) :) :)
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Greta is telling us its time to start panicking, to force those in power to do something, and these guys have the audacity to say calm down or stop pointing fingers or just take time to grieve or some other version of "you are doing it wrong." And then they have a pissing contest to see who can come up with the most clever or beautiful or poetic way to say "we're fucked." This kind of discourse is a total luxury. These two guys aren't losing their home, their landbase, their culture, their lives, the animals and plants they rely on for food. They have the time and resources to wax poetic about all this.
They need to just SHUT UP.
As Greta says in the beginning of that press conference....
"Me and Luisa will not be speaking today, instead we will let others speak. We are privileged and our stories have been told many times over and over again, and it is not our stories that needs to be told and listened to, it is the others, it is the people, especially from the the global south and from Indigenous communities who need to tell their stories."
You hear that guys?????
That's how you use your privilege.
Where is Rose Whipple's platform on PDA? What are you doing to help get her story out there?
Listen, I still don't know how to use my privilege but I want to start trying and I know its not going to be most utilized by just sitting around trying to sound astute and writing these articles and books that white privileged people can fawn over so they can feel better about themselves, feel like they are doing something because they listened to a podcast or forwarded an article.
I know I sound angry and I don't mean to target Jem and Charles. And I know this post has a fair chance of being taken down because its not "positive" and is scolding the very founder of this entire "movement". But I deeply deeply relate to Greta, I have always felt as she does and it really really sucks. Its not fair to have to carry all this weight while others go about their business. I've been told my whole life to calm down or lighten up or that I'm going about things the wrong way or that I'm crazy or alarmist. And yes this can break you. This is me, breaking a little right now. We can keep telling ourselves that everyone is just doing the best they can but that's bullshit. We aren't doing the best we can. If this is the best we can do, its fucking pathetic.
So thank you for taking the time to listen to this "angry Earth lover"'s rant. I'm not saying you should be angry too, but if you are its OK!
Dear Kurt Are you familiar with Guy McPherson? Now there's someone to get angry with! Dear man, the news is far worse than you think and I would like to share this Metta with you and everyone sensitive to our combined future - May you be filled with Loving Kindness, May you be Well, May you be Peaceful and at Ease, May you be Happy X
Another wonderful interview with the great Charles Eisenstein, a true genius of our time. Just a pity Jem kept cutting him off, especially after we only heard the 1st of Charles’s 4 priorities for dealing with the global mess.
Hi ! It's great to see people talk, discuss and try to find solutions in the face of climate emergency and extinction.
Please Invite folks from the 3rd World, as a vast majority of humanity actually lives there, and not so much in EU or North America.
I listened to the first bit and Charles is so insightful and reflects exactly this being part of all there is - how can it be otherwise...
Kind of fascinating how Jem keeps going back to climate, despite the fact Charles just went pretty thoroughly into "climate isn't the big problem".
Too late, we needed this change to sacred economics and 100% human participatory voluntary drawdown and treating nature with love in the 60’s.
Now, climate change , over population, and resource depletion will cause imminent civilization collapse. Then the nuke plants melt down, fossil fuel particulates fall out of the atmosphere causing a major temperature spike, probably including a huge methane release. Really, does anyone think we can survive this? Let’s talk about walking into our own extinction while we destroy this once beautiful earth. Let’s talk about living out out remaining time with dignity and love for each other fully knowing that by now it’s futile.
That's really just what Bendell is all about
Yep yep. People of the future (if there are any/ barely hanging on) will see us as barbarians either causing or mostly oblivious to the unsustainable rapid changes to the world, indulguously living in fables of fiction and everlasting "good progress". Or at least most of the sheeple. Think someone once said "the way to tell this is an insane world is that the sane people are labeled as insane radicals". Way too many people in denial 20 years ago it seems and even today lol. Or in hopeless delusion for a quick cinematic-esque turnaround at the last possible moment. Let's get real tho, it's been collapsing for a while, and as Terrence Mckena said, "The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it’s only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse.” Lower mentally functioning people who are indoctrinated by the progress myth and live entirely in their emotions and 'here and now environment won't realize it until the grocery shelves are pretty much always bare & way too hot. Even then, I'm sure there will be scapegoats, false hope and denial among the masses xD
Smiling form ear to ear in Gratitude and recognition to you both for this truly WonderFull interview
I appreciate one of Bendell's questions from a more buddhist-like perspective (why need progress at all? can we accept what is and our end as a sacred moment in itself?) and Eisenstein's continual entertainment of the possibility of a new reality beyond our current understanding. It's fascinating to move between the paradox of embracing this divine process and striving for "greater" potential.
I won’t prep (except for toilet paper), I expect to have the tsunami of collapse to consume us while I’m staying compassionate ( and terrified).
Interesting questions. Thank you Jem
Life as prayer...actions as healing 🙏🙏
For the moment, pray that you die easily.
37:00 THANK YOU CHARLES!!!! His words articulate what is really an undescribable collective upwelling of the coming awakening!!!!!! PLANT MORE TREES AND TAKE YOR GRANDMA OUT DANCINGGGGGGGG 🙏
"Better start planting trees' ruclips.net/video/OvCxDOS6ogk/видео.html ,this is what happens when individuals and groups fail to be brave and stand up for the truth where ever you find it. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some much needed light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
9:25 I'm interested in finding evidence of the logging in Romania situation, anyone point me in the right direction 🙏
*Recorder Investigation: Tracking wood thieves (2019)* has English subtitles, it explains how the racket works.
ruclips.net/video/sb4FCyRiuro/видео.html
2020-02-13 UPDATE: "This Recorder Investigation is among the press material used by the European Commission to motivate activating infringement proceedings against Romania due to the illegal logging. Proof that journalism counts and produces effects."
Hm. The curing of the woman in Hong Kong via a spiritual experience....can that individual experience be extended to the body politic? Does the body politic want to be "cured"? The power of large group meditation to affect the local vibe is something I find fascinating, but I wonder, can it be used to help people love the planet, and each other?
"Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect..-Chief Seattle 1848...I keep thinking with every passing catastrophe people will take a stand and say enough is enough...But now I'm not sure that moment will ever come...Our indoctrination is so complete...Our separation from the natural world may be irreversible for a majority of the population....I think only collapse may awaken the masses to a different narrative....Only collapse will force the masses into a true respect and appreciation of nature...Only collapse will force us to depend on each other, have respect and empathy for each other.....The longer this system stays afloat, the slimmer the chances for any sort of recovery....I don't buy the near term human extinction narrative, but, near term collapse is inevitable...Everything meaningful is already in the process of collapse....We don't need to overthink what is occurring before our very eyes....The ice is melting, mass extinction is ubiquitous, the cruelty of our civilization is undeniable...These systems of power need to be dismantled...A kinder culture needs to be replicated....Unbridled ambition must be quashed....We simply can't allow psychopaths to gain power.....But, none of this can occur before collapse....But, will the damage be complete, unrecoverable, certainly possible.....Living simple, empathetic lives is certainly part of the answer, how could it be not....
Charles sharing his experience around minute 15: that, exactly that, is what makes a human become vegan (for those unfamiliar with the meaning, veganism is an ethical stance that understands the inherent 'right' of nonhumans to a life free from human oppression). Most vegans became so by such sudden realisation of what life means, or perhaps what it means not...
Very interesting Jem, bridging the gap. Last night, outside of space and time.
Thank you Charles as you always join up for me the magical, natural and scientific world - Ma Ho!
Lovely post which is exactly how I feel. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some much needed light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
Appreciate this interview. Sad I missed it live, or was t?. ~Sandy~
stay tuned for the last minute of this great conversation... british humor at its best!
Agreed we Should preserve pristine or near pristine environments. Absolutely. Don't be misguided by what I'm about to say, I'd very willingly sacrifice myself if it did any good to saving some of my fav ecosystems. The way it is at present tho, and traditionally, human needs come first. Animals are allowed to exist, if they serve some kind of purpose. Everything has to be given a monetary label/ provide some kind of income to be protected. And even then, if something is more valuable to damage/ exploit than keep for tourism/ for whatever spiritual/ etc recreational reason, we all know which way it'll end up... It absolutely sucks, I want to fully reject it... but is the way it is more than not. Especially here in FL, just a couple or few hours from me is one of the most remarkable freshwater and coastal regions of North America if not the world in the Suwannee and Santa fe river basins, largest concentration of large springs and very protected expansive marshy coasts. Although at first it seems near pristine (especially compared to Central and South FL), the springs and aquifer are being unsustainably pumped (mostly for agriculture) and of course way too much nutrient input from agriculture, and with sandy p*ss poor FL soil, too much has to be applied and has large runoff rates. The springs and major tributaries seem to dilute the pollution at the moment, but probably not forever, and of course the Sueannee is the last river system gulf sturgeon are thriving in... I know lots of rational people would probably tell me "cut your losses, FL's 'leadership' is beyond redemption and agriculture and urbanization pressures all over the state will only worsen" likely true, but I still can't help myself, can't just abandon places I majorly love and know are super unique & irreplaceable.
And no this is not new realizations for me, I've already had plenty of sanity bender episodes on this starting/ peaking in early 2022 lol but I guess unlike most people I know accepting, processing and moving forward with grief is the safest most sustainable way
But yeah if anyone knows any ecological grief communities that are actually pretty active/ more about certain earth features more than just climate/ human survival, I'm all ears
Wish I could keep the best most praiseworthy regions a secret, but too much is at stake, and likely will diminish anyways over time.
For those in disbelief/ don't want to believe North central FL springs and rivers won't decline, Highly reccomend the FL water crisis book by Mr Dunn, the "Fellowship of the springs" amazon documentary, the Oral history Dr. Bob Palmer youtube lecture, & some sections of the Suwannee river guidebook the one with a blue cover
Edit: and this web page oursantaferiver.org/protect-suwannee/
"There's part of me that wants climate change to happen, to rescue us." Blimey... a lot to unpack there.
Don't discount the Angry Buddha or Bahai or etc. Jem, I heard you speak ill of Greta Thunberg here for her vehemence and wrathful compassion. You do not understand it, Jem. This is also "the work." Of course, you like many, also fear her righteous, female (kuanyin) anger. Western Popular Buddhists are often unaware of wrathful compassion and right anger. This is why Buddhism in the West becomes trite, pillow-sitting, naval gazing, incomplete, implausible, pop-psychologizing, and expensive in the West! Just saying "there should be no separation" is not "the work" or the path to the true dharma. In fact, it is not even a path to the "unity" or "peace" being extolled like virtues in the trite aphorisms and platitudes of the popular and trendy hippie Buddhism of the Occident.
The dark aspects must be called out. This is "the work". The shadow must ultimately be integrated in this work, the most difficult work of all, meant only for warriors. The work on this dark aspect remaining on Earth level is massive and dangerous, which is a large part of why 'we may not pass this initiation' as Charles Eisenstein has said. There are also vast, expansive hellrealms. Underestimating the dark aspect in this kind of trite over-simplification of the concepts of peace and unity is now deadly for true light workers who must face the beast. This is very difficult work, and only a Bodhisattva of high level, like Greta, can even attempt it. There is a reason for this testing.
More on Right Anger and Wrathful Compassion in Real Buddhism:
"We live in an age where we're told to not to express our anger, but Buddha would disagree. .... sitting on a cushion and doing idle work while we ignore injustice is not what the Buddha had in mind. This is where compassionate wrath and right anger come into being.
In the face of abuse, emotional cruelty, rape, murder, discrimination, pollution, corruption, and brutality, we should be angry. For the sake of all beings. Anger simply arises and it calls out for further investigation. In Pali, each step on the Path - samma ditthi or right view, samma sankappa or right intention, samma vaca or right speech, and so on - is characterized by the word samma, which is conventionally translated as “right” though never as “righteous.” Samma has a rich range of meanings including: proper, complete, thorough, full. In this case we might have a newly compounded term, samma kodha, which means something like proper or appropriate anger.
That is, anger at violence, oppression, and injustice by which suffering beings impose on other beings. For Dr. Ambedkar and for the movement that has emerged from his activities, anger may very well serve to point the way to refuge in the Buddha’s way, and to all the other steps along the path."
Buddhists must not fear strong emotions such as grief or right anger. These can become excellent dharma lessons and very often indicate where work is needed. There is often too much emphasis in Western Buddhism on doing nothing when right action is needed or feeling nothing as a form of detachment often accompanied by too much time sitting on a golden cushion. This is also a danger to the true dharma.
-From The Buddhist Peace Fellowship on Right Anger (Samma Kodha from the ancient Pali):
www.buddhistpeacefellowship.org/right-anger-and-the-path-to-the-end-of-caste/
Let’s re - read “Ishmael “ by Daniel Quinn. Helps to understand why we are doing this.
We need the keto diet equivalent to environmental health. The keto diet is the only diet shown to control or reverse the symptoms of epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, etc. It also shows similar benefits for metabolic syndrome and mood disorders. The healing effect includes increased insulin sensitivity, anti-inflammation, autophagy, stem cell growth, and so much else in how diverse systems in the body function, from the hormone system to the gut-brain axis.
One explanation why this potent body-wide response happens is because, during evolution, ketosis would have been a normal state for humans to be in on a regular basis. But with the modern high-carb diet made possible with industrialization, we no longer reach ketosis very often and so don't see the benefits. We simply have to remove what is doing us harm, a crappy diet, and the body begins healing itself. What if a similar principle operates in the environment?
And yes Charles, it is like this, ‘50 years ago i was skiing with a teacher and he started to hit many times the beginnings of a tree and i felt so strange and kept wondering why - there was no reason for it’ - i never forgot!
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GREED is the human flaw!!
WHERE does our ecocidal civilization draw its energy from? WHY are we destroying all life on Earth? Why are are we focused on GDP, over-consumption, money, domination? To me its very important to get to the bottom of these questions ... I agree, it has to do with unmet needs and substitution ... still, how come we created such a system in the first place and why is it so addictive that the entire planet seems to be infected ... ok, the appeal of economic success/comfortable live and telling great stories (movies) about it -- but why is it apparently so numbing, so compelling that we totally lost touch with everything other than consumption, greed, power and money while feeling increasingly depressed, alone, turning to all sorts of addictions to make it bearable ... I wonder if capitalism really is the logical result of the dominant part of human nature ... and if so, which humans exactly are we talking about and why do they seem to run the show?
29:12 Why aren't we trying MCB yet ? If we wanna know whether Marine Cloud Brightening works, why aren't they trying it NOW on a small scale to measure its impact. Then, if successful, apply it on a planetary scale. I mean, hasn't this become urgent enough yet ?
"We may be headed into a new ice age"???? He acts like there is two sides to the science. There isn't. There is 99%, and 1%
I think Charles should get together with Gabor Mate and maybe write a book or do a seminar.
Yes all these great individuals really need to actively join forces . Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some light in these twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
The "body politic" Charles? Indeed. I've heard the term maybe twice in my life. Could you extrapolate on that point..?
Mead2020 (0rg) if you expect to see 2024.
OwlNation Legal I hope to see the end of 2020 at this point.
How did that prediction work out for you LOLOL
Hi Jem another great upload. We are already subscribers. I think Charles is right on the money here with the human journey. We will progress because its all part of the universal scheme of things.
We know from watching your work that you think what is coming is a complete ending. We believe that it is a complete ending to the current civilisation model.
We think all these pointless geopolitical games we are currently witnessing ,will be put into perspective by the steadily increasing climate chaos that will reach such unimaginable proportions in the coming years [a lot lot quicker than many think] as to force the world governments to unite to save any form of civilisation. Please Check out XR members Tripzville [from NZ] and their track "the Nikola Tesla song" ruclips.net/video/e9IOnWzoN8E/видео.html . Music is a very powerful medium.