Wow how would that go? Abom is much more experienced but growing up in a full machine shop probably not used to small fussy machines and very limited tooling. He would be frustrated at the very least.
Ahh, Abom would adapt. He does anyway. Even with the enormous machinery he has to work with, he's always making a custom fixture or whatever. And Quinn would be in a dream world, making teeny, tiny parts, far too small for the enormous lathes, and adapting new tools for that as well. ;-)
A morsel of wisdom I learned from my first machine shop teacher: for not-so-critical operations, you can just plonk a nice big magnet onto the side of your vise jaw as a quick-and-dirty end stop. Does much the same thing as using the 1-2-3 block but it's more convenient as it requires one fewer hand ;-)
I was hanging out with Schrodinger's cat last week and we had a conversation with your drill press vice and concluded he may, or may not have known, he was going to be the agent of his own demise. Love your videos Quinn :))
I am glad you did this project. I noticed that you have my own fault. I often see how I could have done something much easier, better, faster after I have done it the hard way. I like to think I was a lot smarter than this when I was younger but then you know how that is. No one was ever as good as they remember. Of course I do remember there was a time when I knew everything.
Worst part is as we age we tend to forget the "easier, better and faster" ways and do it the old slow, hard and complicated way again, especially if do not do the operation very frequently. Lol 😆
Good idea to get a very small air compressor with a gun nozzle for your small shop or coolant mister to clear those pesky chips as you use your reamer. 🤔👍 Time to get a coolant mister like Abom's. Also for your angle block case issue. I adopted this idea from a friend. The two foam pads are creating a double sided soft spot. By removing the bottom foam mold and doing a silicone mold pour with standoffs to hold the tools up just enough to leave the tool proud. This creates a solid base for your tools to sit in and also holds them tight even in old school wooden tool cases.
Nice work. Sometimes they make separate roughing and finishing acme taps because it's just too much to cut in one pass. The toolmaker vice bolt was angled up more than 45 putting more force down vs. clamping. Moving to the next cross hole might give more clamp force to the jaw. Yes, you could have swiveled the vice on the angle plate but that would have been some nasty 3d trig to get the angles. This way was simpler.
I watched Mr. Pete's Float-Lok Vice build and I am enjoying yours as much. It's useful to see two different machinists approaching the same problems with different solutions and making different ad hoc design decisions as the project progresses.
Very nice job on the vice. I particularly like how you solved the problem with the long acme thread. Well done. Now I'm sure you hear these stories all the time but when I started as a machinist apprentice, one of my first jobs was on a DoAll metal cutting bandsaw cutting up rough steel pieces for the tool and die makers to use in their process. My favorite accessory at the time was the float lock vice. A few years back I was able to find one at a yard sale for a very good price and I use it quite often now in my small machine shop. That was in 1955 and I have been in the machine shop business ever cents. I will let you do the math. Again, well done
Wasn't expecting a tap dance. Bonus. Neato insight with the tap/broach comparison! Have you thought about how you're going to break the news to the old vise? Tough love
It is all in how you sell it to the old vise. If she tells it that it is the new drill press supervisor and that it is getting a new office where it can supervise drill press operations, all should be well in the shop. At least that is how it seems in the companies I have worked in.
I've got a couple of those Starrett tap wrenches and I agree, they can REALLY dig into your hands when using it. You haven't seen a good tap dance til I have to clean the galvanizing out of a 1 1/4-7 tapped hole. Lots of back and forth and the longest cresent wrench I can find!
Really beautiful work! I want to make one now. I think you made an excellent choice in upgrading to ACME thread. It'll work better and last forever. One suggestion...I read through 300+ comments and didn't see this one - I would have made about half that thread as a clearance hold. Having a little over 1/2" or 5 threads of ACME would be just as strong as threading the full length, from my understanding, and it would've been a lot less work threading. Normal 1/2-10 ACME nuts are 1/2" thick. I knew you weren't going to hurt that tap wrench, but if had any flaws in it, I could see that tap breaking.
Quinn you do outstanding work!!!I don’t know if you ever used TAP MAGIC. Tapping fluid but it does a great job of relieving the pressure of hand tapping
A finish I've come to prefer is an old timey blacksmith's tool blackening. Heat the part with a propane torch or charcoal fire (dull red is too hot) and dunk it in some sort of oil. Do this several times (more dunks = thicker coating) and your part will build up a hard, durable carbon coating that holds oil well. It will look gray in process but as soon as that final coat of oil hits it, it will turn jet black. Best to do this outside because there's lots of smoke and even flames, in fact if the dunk oil catches fire on the part after a dunk then that's even better because it's more efficiently converting the hydrocarbons to carbon.
Great show love it. Still have my "T" tap wrench with fitted handle extensions made in 1973. First thing I did. Still surprised the handles are so short when you buy one. This is Blondihacks, a little surprised you left extending the handles until now!
enjoyed…nice build…suggestion, make it so you can use a drill to open/close quickly for large movements, also make a fixture to slide/swivel to hold vice to the table, I did a video on my setup
if you percieve to much play in the thread for your liking you can put a acme nut on there. with spacers you can pretty well controll the play then - like big CNC mills - they have two spindle nuts screwed together with spacers inbetween to take out play in the thread - thats more of a CNC maschine and maschine axis thing
The chi com ones are actually pretty reasonable. We have one we use once in a while on the tool and cutter grinder and it works OK after you set it up.
Just a note to all you big tough macho machinists and mechanics. The only time Quinn ever uses gloves is where there is a reason (Like tearing the skin off your hands pulling with all your might on a tap wrench) Most importantly she never uses gloves around rotating machinery. not even the so called "rip away" gloves that can STILL get you wrapped up in a lathe chuck. If a Lady like Quinn can go without gloves while she works then all of us should be as strong as she is. And BYW,,,,,,Tool and die workmanship as well as smart enough to not get a finger torn off. She could work in our shop any time
Given that you had already cut the acme thread on the rod, you could have made your own tap by continuing the threading process with some drill rod. Cut some flutes then a taper over a suitable length, harden and temper - suitable topic for future video? Anyway, a suitable donation has saved you a lot of time and effort and will allow for the easier use of acme screws in future projects. Keep up the good work.
A more robust way of making v-grooves is to angle the part at 45º and then use an endmill to cut the groove. The corner of the tool makes a perfect 90º angle. It can be a little tricky to get the groove perfectly where you want it though as you have to move the tool in and down to keep the center in the same place.
Gosh! When you tilted the whole world 45 degrees you worked fast. I didn’t even notice. Normally it’s hard to do that without pushback from the public. It’s always “you fool, you’ve doomed us all!” Or “the tides will wipe out civilization!”. Bla bla bla… world ending, yadyadayada. Excellent work, Quinn! High kudos!
@@_allegra but Australia only goes down to just over 43°! To get to 45° you have to cross the Ditch - North Otago, just south of where the Waitaki River empties into the Pacific… ;-)
I'm glad you chose to use the tap instead of trying to single-point! I find internal single-pointing less than 9/16" in diameter to be a giant PITA because of how small the tool has to be (and you really cannot use a boring bar of any sort, since the tool has to 'stick out' too much because of the acme thread depth) to fit in the hole and have sufficient clearance to get out. Additionally, because you end up so small of a tool (likely a single piece of ground HSS at this point) with the additional tool pressure of an acme tap, rigidity is a giant pain if you have any stickout. I tried to do a 5/8-8 and spend about 2/3 of my life doing spring-passes over and over. Side note: As you've likely figured out by now, those T-style tap wrenches are pretty awful for both Z-axis clearance and applying torque. I tend to only use them for small taps. The 'bar' style tap wrenches are way better for this, AND might be a fun future project!
@@Blondihacks Ah! That too is an advantage. I DO use them for smaller taps (where the torque is less important), but the bigger ones I use the bar wrenches for the torque and clearance.
18:00 I think a nifty gag gift idea for the machinist would be a velvet lined walnut case for gage blocks that pops like Perfection or a jack-in-the-box.
@@tdck2978 The biggest problem I have with the ratcheting ones (or perhaps just the cheap one I have!) is that they lack the center hole for using the tap guide.
My tablesaw's up/down acme screw has a Al nut embedded into the body...It got worn out and now i am looking for a way to put a steel or brass nut ..but this video , even though excellent is beyond my reach with a Prazi hobbyist lathe and a chinese drill press
So when Mr Pete made one of these, he just went with a standard thread instead of ACME. No way I'm buying a tap for this so I assume that while an ACME thread may be better for a vise, the standard thread would be good enough considering just a manual drill press vise??
In an alternate universe somewhere, Quinn and Abom have swapped shops and machine tools, and oh what a weird universe that would be
Wow how would that go? Abom is much more experienced but growing up in a full machine shop probably not used to small fussy machines and very limited tooling. He would be frustrated at the very least.
Ahh, Abom would adapt. He does anyway. Even with the enormous machinery he has to work with, he's always making a custom fixture or whatever.
And Quinn would be in a dream world, making teeny, tiny parts, far too small for the enormous lathes, and adapting new tools for that as well. ;-)
A morsel of wisdom I learned from my first machine shop teacher: for not-so-critical operations, you can just plonk a nice big magnet onto the side of your vise jaw as a quick-and-dirty end stop. Does much the same thing as using the 1-2-3 block but it's more convenient as it requires one fewer hand ;-)
@@ellieprice363 I've done that but every little bit of steel in the shop ends up on them.
make beautiful projects, making videos like this takes time and a lot of effort. For that they must be appreciated
I was hanging out with Schrodinger's cat last week and we had a conversation with your drill press vice and concluded he may, or may not have known, he was going to be the agent of his own demise. Love your videos Quinn :))
I am glad you did this project. I noticed that you have my own fault. I often see how I could have done something much easier, better, faster after I have done it the hard way. I like to think I was a lot smarter than this when I was younger but then you know how that is. No one was ever as good as they remember. Of course I do remember there was a time when I knew everything.
Worst part is as we age we tend to forget the "easier, better and faster" ways and do it the old slow, hard and complicated way again, especially if do not do the operation very frequently. Lol 😆
That was the best dang acme tap dance I've ever seen.
Getting to watch this as soon as it dropped is a surprise benefit of my insomnia
any episode in which swarfy the duck make an appearance always leaves me with a big grin :D
I watched Mr. Pete make this and now I am enjoying your presentation of the same device. It is looking GREAT!!
Good idea to get a very small air compressor with a gun nozzle for your small shop or coolant mister to clear those pesky chips as you use your reamer. 🤔👍 Time to get a coolant mister like Abom's. Also for your angle block case issue. I adopted this idea from a friend. The two foam pads are creating a double sided soft spot. By removing the bottom foam mold and doing a silicone mold pour with standoffs to hold the tools up just enough to leave the tool proud. This creates a solid base for your tools to sit in and also holds them tight even in old school wooden tool cases.
But then it wouldn’t be funny
“Ambitious Chamfering Plans” is my new metal band name.
I've watched you for awhile. You are actually a highly skilled machinist. You have a very nice shop, as well.
Nice work. Sometimes they make separate roughing and finishing acme taps because it's just too much to cut in one pass. The toolmaker vice bolt was angled up more than 45 putting more force down vs. clamping. Moving to the next cross hole might give more clamp force to the jaw. Yes, you could have swiveled the vice on the angle plate but that would have been some nasty 3d trig to get the angles. This way was simpler.
The vise bolt should be perpendicular to its face. At 18:45 it is clearly too steep. That is a PITA with those vises.
I watched Mr. Pete's Float-Lok Vice build and I am enjoying yours as much. It's useful to see two different machinists approaching the same problems with different solutions and making different ad hoc design decisions as the project progresses.
Your videos is the highlight of the week. Just this once I was unable to watch it when it was published.
Your tools are always so clean and nice. Rust has decided it hates my life, no matter how much cleaning, how much dehumidifying, how much protecting.
You really have a pleasant voice and way of presenting. Good editing too. 🤩
I think your dance had a nice twist to it. At the end you had a great groove going on. All the way through.
Took some circular logic to come up with that one. Nice.
Chamfers are what elevates us above the animals and that is some elevation.
Love the duck speach!
I have to say that is the best dancing I have seen today. Use that information as you wish.
Sometimes you learn by your misstakes. Sometimes you learn by your videos. Thanks for another nice video!
Mr Pete would be proud great job so farc
Those chamfered corners really do look great! Made me smile. Thanks
Thank you for the 25 min show. It’s always a fun journey
Lovin the Tap Dance!
Dont feel bad about the pipes! Every toolmaker I know has them, its a must have item!
Can't use a Allen wrench without a piece of 1/2" EMT. It's in Machinery's Handbook
Very nice job on the vice. I particularly like how you solved the problem with the long acme thread. Well done. Now I'm sure you hear these stories all the time but when I started as a machinist apprentice, one of my first jobs was on a DoAll metal cutting bandsaw cutting up rough steel pieces for the tool and die makers to use in their process. My favorite accessory at the time was the float lock vice. A few years back I was able to find one at a yard sale for a very good price and I use it quite often now in my small machine shop. That was in 1955 and I have been in the machine shop business ever cents. I will let you do the math. Again, well done
i used to make this style but for making chain pullers in sawmill. solid design
Another quality addition to your machine shop well done.
Wasn't expecting a tap dance. Bonus.
Neato insight with the tap/broach comparison!
Have you thought about how you're going to break the news to the old vise? Tough love
It is all in how you sell it to the old vise. If she tells it that it is the new drill press supervisor and that it is getting a new office where it can supervise drill press operations, all should be well in the shop. At least that is how it seems in the companies I have worked in.
I’ll tell it it is going to go live on a farm where it can run free with all the other vises
@@Blondihacks that is even better. Thanks for the chuckle 😃
It's coming along nicely!
Thanks, and Meow to Sprocket.
I've got a couple of those Starrett tap wrenches and I agree, they can REALLY dig into your hands when using it. You haven't seen a good tap dance til I have to clean the galvanizing out of a 1 1/4-7 tapped hole. Lots of back and forth and the longest cresent wrench I can find!
20:30 - some beautiful corners!
Really beautiful work! I want to make one now. I think you made an excellent choice in upgrading to ACME thread. It'll work better and last forever. One suggestion...I read through 300+ comments and didn't see this one - I would have made about half that thread as a clearance hold. Having a little over 1/2" or 5 threads of ACME would be just as strong as threading the full length, from my understanding, and it would've been a lot less work threading. Normal 1/2-10 ACME nuts are 1/2" thick. I knew you weren't going to hurt that tap wrench, but if had any flaws in it, I could see that tap breaking.
Quinn you do outstanding work!!!I don’t know if you ever used TAP MAGIC. Tapping fluid but it does a great job of relieving the pressure of hand tapping
Yup that’s what I use
Smooth one step, good leverage.
That is one very nice tilt table.
Very pretty, the vise turned out nicely as well!
Chamfers are what separates us from the animals!
Nicely done Quinn.👍👍
the amount of times I've gleed over a new pop up of your video (always at the right time I must add) is ridiculous 😁
Great job Quinn!
Acme victory dance and other fine performances.
I am glade you showed how to set up the compound angle for us without rotating tilt tables.
Good work as always. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
That angled table made my mouth water.
A finish I've come to prefer is an old timey blacksmith's tool blackening. Heat the part with a propane torch or charcoal fire (dull red is too hot) and dunk it in some sort of oil. Do this several times (more dunks = thicker coating) and your part will build up a hard, durable carbon coating that holds oil well. It will look gray in process but as soon as that final coat of oil hits it, it will turn jet black. Best to do this outside because there's lots of smoke and even flames, in fact if the dunk oil catches fire on the part after a dunk then that's even better because it's more efficiently converting the hydrocarbons to carbon.
Luv to hear from Swarfy the Duck. Awesome video as usual.
Nice opening Quinn. 1:48 ah yes to not do 'the thing' with calipers. The vise is coming along nicely.
Thanks Quinn
Great show love it.
Still have my "T" tap wrench with fitted handle extensions made in 1973.
First thing I did.
Still surprised the handles are so short when you buy one.
This is Blondihacks, a little surprised you left extending the handles until now!
Perfect Acme shimmy. 10/10
You can soak the stock in vinegar overnight to remove the mill scale and make finishing the un-machined bits easier.
"then it wouldn't be funny", words I live by!
I machined a softball sized D20 die for a friend. That was a lifetime's worth of compound angle cutting.
Didn't realize that Sprocket spoke fluent duck. I'm impressed.
Cleverly thought out and nicely machined. Thanks for the video.
Nice job. Good video.
enjoyed…nice build…suggestion, make it so you can use a drill to open/close quickly for large movements, also make a fixture to slide/swivel to hold vice to the table, I did a video on my setup
The latter is part of the float lock design
if you percieve to much play in the thread for your liking you can put a acme nut on there. with spacers you can pretty well controll the play then - like big CNC mills - they have two spindle nuts screwed together with spacers inbetween to take out play in the thread - thats more of a CNC maschine and maschine axis thing
well now I want a pivoting table like that. that’s going to be a tough one to get through the wife seeing as I don’t even have a mill yet.
The chi com ones are actually pretty reasonable. We have one we use once in a while on the tool and cutter grinder and it works OK after you set it up.
Spider cameo at 22:22 on the top of the grinder :D
Wow- good eye. I never noticed
THIS INFO IS RIGHT ON TIME FOR ME.
That taping looks like a good workout.
A bit of a dry silicone spray on the catches of your angle block case would make them work more easily.
"Say nice things", she said. Nice things!
Thanks for another great video. I have wanted one of these vises for years, but I'm not really set up to make one yet, but could sure use it now. :)
Nice job Quinn.
There is nothing so satisfying as chamfering with a file. Steve
Hey! Cheap drill press vice!! guess what!!!
You do a good job accompanying your big drill friend :)
You can buy rougher and finishing acme taps.
Very Nice
Just a note to all you big tough macho machinists and mechanics. The only time Quinn ever uses gloves is where there is a reason (Like tearing the skin off your hands pulling with all your might on a tap wrench) Most importantly she never uses gloves around rotating machinery. not even the so called "rip away" gloves that can STILL get you wrapped up in a lathe chuck.
If a Lady like Quinn can go without gloves while she works then all of us should be as strong as she is.
And BYW,,,,,,Tool and die workmanship as well as smart enough to not get a finger torn off. She could work in our shop any time
Oh you do make me laugh Quinn. But great job on that clamp. Nice work.
Given that you had already cut the acme thread on the rod, you could have made your own tap by continuing the threading process with some drill rod. Cut some flutes then a taper over a suitable length, harden and temper - suitable topic for future video? Anyway, a suitable donation has saved you a lot of time and effort and will allow for the easier use of acme screws in future projects.
Keep up the good work.
A more robust way of making v-grooves is to angle the part at 45º and then use an endmill to cut the groove. The corner of the tool makes a perfect 90º angle. It can be a little tricky to get the groove perfectly where you want it though as you have to move the tool in and down to keep the center in the same place.
In fact I did a whole video on that exact topic
the dance scene cut was the best
Gosh! When you tilted the whole world 45 degrees you worked fast. I didn’t even notice. Normally it’s hard to do that without pushback from the public. It’s always “you fool, you’ve doomed us all!” Or “the tides will wipe out civilization!”. Bla bla bla… world ending, yadyadayada. Excellent work, Quinn! High kudos!
11:43 - nice things, about your acme tap dancing. :)
Many ways to sk ... ahem ... chamfer a part, and your corners are awesome!
Thankyou 👍
if Swarfy is happy, I am happy!
Great work Quinn! One question. What kind of tilting fixture table did you use to tilt the whole world? By the way, I didn’t feel a thing.
I'm in Australia - we're pre-tilted
@@_allegra but Australia only goes down to just over 43°! To get to 45° you have to cross the Ditch - North Otago, just south of where the Waitaki River empties into the Pacific… ;-)
You do amazing work
Acme tap dance is only 29 degrees away from a square dance. 😀
What'd that duck say to me?
That tears it, I'm goin' rubber duck hunting!
WHoooooooo, that's a nice tap! I've priced those things and holy smokes they want an arm and a leg for acme taps.
I'm glad you chose to use the tap instead of trying to single-point! I find internal single-pointing less than 9/16" in diameter to be a giant PITA because of how small the tool has to be (and you really cannot use a boring bar of any sort, since the tool has to 'stick out' too much because of the acme thread depth) to fit in the hole and have sufficient clearance to get out. Additionally, because you end up so small of a tool (likely a single piece of ground HSS at this point) with the additional tool pressure of an acme tap, rigidity is a giant pain if you have any stickout. I tried to do a 5/8-8 and spend about 2/3 of my life doing spring-passes over and over.
Side note: As you've likely figured out by now, those T-style tap wrenches are pretty awful for both Z-axis clearance and applying torque. I tend to only use them for small taps. The 'bar' style tap wrenches are way better for this, AND might be a fun future project!
I like these tap wrenches because they have a center in them. Small taps don’t clear the bar-style wrenches on the back for the spring loaded follower
@@Blondihacks Ah! That too is an advantage. I DO use them for smaller taps (where the torque is less important), but the bigger ones I use the bar wrenches for the torque and clearance.
ACME tap dance for the win!!! :-)
18:10
Fibber McGee's closet
Let's see how many other boomers remember this from their parents lol.
I've binge watched your content so often that I am getting machinery ads
As always awesome content , thank you
Beautiful job.
18:00 I think a nifty gag gift idea for the machinist would be a velvet lined walnut case for gage blocks that pops like Perfection or a jack-in-the-box.
I’ve seen ratcheting tap wrenches haven’t I? Could be an easy solution to the column being in the way. Love the video!
the ratcheting tap handles aren't as strong. I've broken a few.
@@tdck2978 The biggest problem I have with the ratcheting ones (or perhaps just the cheap one I have!) is that they lack the center hole for using the tap guide.
@@TheFreshmanWIT Mine, which is a harbor freight has a center hole
My tablesaw's up/down acme screw has a Al nut embedded into the body...It got worn out and now i am looking for a way to put a steel or brass nut ..but this video , even though excellent is beyond my reach with a Prazi hobbyist lathe and a chinese drill press
You could of course cut your veee groove using your angle vice and an ordinary end mill cutter, to whatever depth you want.
In fact I did a whole video on that
2:03 Quinn! All dimensions are critical in metalwork. 😉
So when Mr Pete made one of these, he just went with a standard thread instead of ACME. No way I'm buying a tap for this so I assume that while an ACME thread may be better for a vise, the standard thread would be good enough considering just a manual drill press vise??
In the first video, I explained why acme threads are used in vises. A regular thread is okay, but will distort if you clamp hard
Great work as always.
Amusing too.👍