@@kingzutwell, I guess if they beat the non factor teams and get a good enough record to punch their ticket then sure. But first week is going to be Eagles. They're kinda like the kid that slipped past the bouncer while he was letting the MVPs in. They'll get exposed as quickly as the NFC south and west division leaders as not belonging.
@@chadd587 and then what are you going to say if they win in the wild card? will you switch to up? the fact they are in means they are contenders. worse teams have made it to and even won the SB.
@@kingzut you'll be lucky to beat the Bears again. One-step at a time Packers.If you beat the Bears, then see how you fare against Eagles mk? Because it's Lions or Viings right after. Everyteam you have lost to is in this thing and youre 0-5 against them
The problem isn't Van Ness or Walker or any other player having a bad game. Every team has weaknesses. The good head coaches expose those weaknesses. The good head coach doesn't win with vanilla play calling. He's going to lose his team if he doesn't set his ego aside.
I am so happy you said that. Thats exactly how I feel. We don't exploit weaknesses and we don't have good enough play calling. We either need a new coach or a new OC. I don't know but these plays are terrible
@Longhalloween511 A GM is not going to hit on every pick, whether it's number one overall or Mr. Irrelevant... Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. Get over it.
@brianw3656 Nah, sorry you don't know ball brother. Van Ness was a reach at that spot, when you reach like that you gotta get it right. He reached for a guy and he is terrible thus far. He deserves to be called out for it.
Christian Gonzales was on the board dude.@@brianw3656Jack Campbell, jsn, Jordan Addison, and zay flowers all went in the first round after him, all would be better than any player we have at those positions, and as the other guy said we all knew it was a reach, yet gutey wanted to be smarter than everyone else
I wish I could find the comment I made after the Jaguars game, but at that point I think I knew we were not SB contenders. We squeaked by a team that everyone knew wasnt going to be relavant at that point. Just the mistakes. The mental errors by players and coaches. They have all the talent in the world, but it feels like they've completely ignored football fundamentals trying to come up with this elaborate play book. LaFleur is a football genius. Our offense has incredible talent (I dare say, even our O-line has proven they can be top 10, if not top 5). They just don't do the fundamental things. And I think switching to a 4-3 without getting some veteran linemen who have been playing 4-3 was a mistake. You took guys who have played 3-4 (even if a couple of them have played 4-3 before, theyve been playing 3-4 with GB) and told them to completely change their fundamentals. I also think LVN going from 4-3 to 3-4 back to 4-3 is what is killing his development. We talk about system consistency with QBs being key, but I think it's the same with all young players. You've taken an already under developed lineman, switched systems on him, and now he's just not meeting expectations - and we want to call him a bust? No. I call him squandered.
Lafluer crumbles after a fumble on a good drive. Maybe I only remember the bads but it seems, from my memory, every time there is a big time fumble on offense… it takes MLF and the offense 1-2 quarters to bounce back…
Yep and he likes to forget the run game exists, he went 3 straight passes after that fumble. But let Jordan love throw a pick and lafleur will come out throwing it 3 straight times. His system isn't built to win in the playoffs it's built to beat up on bad teams, good teams don't let you do the same thing you killed the bears the week before with, or the jaguars.
@@Iycman - and notice how after the fumble GB got the ball right back and Love goes 0-3 on only pass attempts without Jacobs…to then punt the ball right back to MN. How is that any different than a fumble, a three and out without running. Like he needs to punish Jacobs. Love missed on 3 passes there and could have picked up his teammate by getting some completions.
I'm a Packers fan and I sincerely think that we're not solid,, candidates to win the super bowl it's time we start noticing that the problem with our Packers team is not the players is the coach he doesn't have solutions to fix mistakes he keeps on making the same mistakes season after season is time to let gooo Matt LA fleur and bring a play off wining coach,,,that we'll give us the 5th super bowl trophy 🏆 goo pack gooo 💚💚
Nah we're not contenders. Plain and simple. Can we get hot and go on a run? Sure. But that's not likely. I can't see us winning 3 straight road games. I haven't seen anything to suggest that we can.
The ignorance to compare a defense that sucks to the 2010 defense is hilarious, the 2010 defense just didn't mesh due to injuries but when they did they were special cause they had Charles woodson on 1 side and Sam shields on the other, and shields was a great counter to woodson cause he had to the speed to run with anybody and take away a speedy player like he did desean Jackson in the first round, tremon Williams was also a solid corner for that team, and they had an elite pass rush with clay matthews. I get so sick of the analysis that compares every single packers team to the 2010 packers
Not with this play caller. Watching the Lions and 49ers last night run their offenses with misdirection and play action and he refuses to do anything like that against the good teams. We have to scheme our guys open. When we do, we score endless points. I can't understand it.
There are reasons why he's never truly considered for COTY honors year by year in spite of his record. He has a ceiling and everyone knows right where it is.
I (and some others) have been really hard on Quay Walker (understandably so). But the few games before his injury, he was playing really well. I think this defense looks much better once we get Walker and Edge on the field together, playing close to (except obviously where there's only one ILB on the field) 100% of the snaps. Stokes played well against the lower teams (MIA, SF, SEA, NO) but he did not have a good game against MIN.
How do other teams throw random guys out there who can catch and get open yet packers "elite receiver room" can't do that. Watch Darnell Mooney for the falcons and tell me our guys are at that level@@rdbjr52
Not until he started using everybody on offense, you got all these good wide receivers you need to make plays for them. We do the same thing over and over number 11 running in motion all day instead of going out catching passes then you seen your wide receivers out for too many deep routes. Send one out there and that’s Watson. You never use your tied ends for nothing. You got two good tight ends maybe three and you use them for just blocking and maybe a pass here and there you have to get everybody involved in the defense. You gotta stop playing so much zone come out of that zone sometime blitz moreplay more man man if you get beat you get beat
Yes, they are. There isn’t anyone in the NFC that the Green Bay Packers can’t beat and no NFC team wants to play them; they’ll be a tough out. Strong running game, balanced offense and opportunistic defense. I think they can beat any team they play but I think their lack of experience and them being the youngest team in the league will ultimately cost them this year. They still make too many mental errors and they constantly put themselves behind the sticks on offense and bail out opposing offenses when they’re on defense. It just needs more experience mostly. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛
“Their best players aren’t stepping up in big games since 2010” … “well, I guess there was that win against Dallas last year.” That segment wasn’t the show’s best.
Few will admit this however the primary reason that Green Bay can’t beat the playoff caliber teams…is Jordan Love playing poorly at QB in these big games. Darnold played elite while Love played terrible in the biggest game. Love took deep drops, held the ball way too long, and refused to hit open check downs. Toyota-Thon? What a joke! He is proving rather to be the QB who is “NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME BIG GAMES!” This is the #1 problem with the Packers offense. You can’t throw for 59 yards in the first half of a big game as one of the highest paid QB’s and continue to not play good for whole first halves in big games against Detroit and Minnesota. Love is proving to be grossly over paid and now GB is stuck with him for three more years.
Love is a tier of QB that QBs like Derek Carr were in back when he played for the Raiders. He is by no means bad, and has some GREAT games. But he isnt growing any more, and without great WRs, he isnt going to win games against the elite teams in the league. But he can win a few at any time and put the Packers into the NFCCG on any given year.
@@bowlofsoup12 he's been in MLFs system for what. 4 years now? 2 years starting. You think he's going to take a dramatic step forward? KOC was able to get Kirk to turn his whole career narrative around year 1. Sam Darnold? Year 1. Is MLF the problem, then? Or are we going to treat Jordan Love like he is actually a $55M / year sophomore, and should be given more time to take that "next big step"?
@ - doesn’t Love have to at least prove he can lead this GB team into 1 NFCC Game before you make the assertion that he is able to do this in any given season? On what do you base this on when he is 0-5 against playoff caliber teams this season and in each game could lead the offense to no more than 7 points in the first half and was out played by the opponent’s QB?
NO. this WR room is mediocrity all across, and the only guy J-Reed that was looking like a rising star early completely vanished after Doubt cried he wosent getting the ball. D-line is loaded with a lot of undeperforning dead weight. Secondary is injured and otherwise not good enough in a division loaded with offensive talent. LBs are not good enough with only Coop and Walker looking like future stars but another year or 2 away from reaching their potential. Lafleurs play calling is suspect In situations where his gameplan falls apart , he then seems overly emotional and at a loss as what to do and seems to be throwing all sorts of desperation calls out there. 2-3 year rebuild ahead.
The WR room is fine. The play caller isn't putting them in a position to succeed. There is little misdirection or play action when we play a good team.
Anyone in the playoffs is a Super Bowl contender… it’s just comes down to probabilities. It’s been a season full of the same mistakes (though slightly less) so unlikely to get fix. It could be a white knuckle type situation in which they more or less will these mistakes away. This is possible as we’ve seen lesser teams make runs and win superbowls simply through will, NY giants come to mind with Eli.
Brother it’s not the health that is the main issue. Players get injured, it happens. You still have to go out and play your best ball. The team sucked overall and the team wasn’t performing that well even when healthy. Face the reality of the team
They haven't been super bowl contenders since they got smoked by the lions the first time, packers fans were telling themselves this was a super bowl team cause they beat up on some bad teams but other fans know what this team is, it's not just week 17 going into week 18, it's year 2 with these guys in this system. It's also ironic they've been beating up on bad teams since McKinney was talking about the lions running up the score on teams. This team is led by a soft coach who folds in tough environments vs tough teams. How can they have ball control issues in every big game they play?
If you still have “stuff to clean up” in December, you’re not going to get it done this year. I love the Pack, but they’re not ready for prime time this year.
Are the Packers SB contenders? Of course they are. This is football with a one and done format in the playoffs with a very talented error prone young team. Crazy things happen. What chance do I give them? 10% making it to the SB.
We haven't seen Jordan Love play up to last year's level yet this season. Why do people keep thinking that he will? The only reason the Packers have won so many games this year is Josh Jacobson. Jordan Love is playing scared after leading the league in interceptions at the beginning of the season. Christian Watson is important to the offence but could also be easily replaced by some fast 4th round draft pick, he is nothing special, just fast and tall.
ok so yes reed has a high amount of drops BUT reed has 72.6% catch rate. melton doesnt have drops but he only has 8 catches and 47.1% catch rate. yeah i want the drops fixed but id rather have the guy who catches more of the balls throw to him even with the drops
I think they got away from the pass too much and the passing game got rusty I understand they needed the run to win some of their games this year but they the pass attack now I think they should pass practice a lot against the Bears get it honed like last year
The worst analyst and reaction is always comparing this team to 2010 and claiming it's the same, it's actually stupid and makes 0 sense. Can't get through this video when that is said in the first 5 minutes
This is a easy question to answer...No they're not a Super Bowl contender! Every team has flaws but the contenders are elite in some aspects of the game. We are elite at nothing.
Our pass rush isn't magically getting better in the playoffs and without a pass rush you're unlikely to beat 3 good teams...the end anything else is hopium
The notion that we're right behind Philly for 2nd most talent is just crazy. We are lacking at WR, lacking at CB, lacking at DL/EDGE. Us Packer fans are making the mistake of confusing "draft position" with "talent". Truth is that we've burned pick after high pick at CB and DL/EDGE and failed to actually get production out of it.
Lafleur isn’t without blame, but it would be nice if people actually appropriately blamed the players for the countless execution mistakes they’ve made, rather than the excessive lafleur hate that’s came out the past couple days.
@ Fair enough, tho sloppy uninspired play tends to be a by product of coaching, they’re either not properly prepared or not properly motivated, great coaches inspire their players to play their best at all times or have harsh consequences if the team doesn’t give full effort, players need to have a healthy fear of their coach like they did for Lombardi, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, Belichick
@@Destino2493I don’t think lafleur punishing guys with more up downs cuz a professional fumbled or dropped a pass is the answer we’re looking for here. It’s likely a solid first half against a great team if Jacobs doesn’t fumble while entering scoring range, Reed catches it/and or Love places the ball a little better, and the phantom offsides isn’t called. None of these things are a lafleur problem and we’re the difference in points or likely points and potentially winning at the half. If we want to criticize lafleurs gameplan in which he even admitted they weren’t prepared enough for, go for it, but every loss has fell on basic player execution as much as anything.
His emotions take over resulting in consistent mistakes throughout the games. Also can alpha male players truly respect and follow a HC with this effeminate trait?
Guys what is going on with Andy Herman? Why is Andy ducking videos? Do we think he will cover the Packers again this season? Will he be covering a new team next year? The team needs to give us answers.
He’s sick. The flu was mentioned. Andy loves his business and these podcasts covering the Packers. He’s obviously going to be back. This must be killing him not to be able to cover this week.
Every team that makes the playoffs is a Super Bowl contender. Every team could win four in a row if things break their way. I've seen worse teams than Green Bay win Super Bowls.
You can't call yourself a SB contender, if you can't score more than 7 points in every first half against Minnesota and Detroit
yes you can, as long as you are in the run you can call your self a contender.
@@kingzutwell, I guess if they beat the non factor teams and get a good enough record to punch their ticket then sure. But first week is going to be Eagles. They're kinda like the kid that slipped past the bouncer while he was letting the MVPs in. They'll get exposed as quickly as the NFC south and west division leaders as not belonging.
@@chadd587 and then what are you going to say if they win in the wild card? will you switch to up? the fact they are in means they are contenders. worse teams have made it to and even won the SB.
@@kingzut you'll be lucky to beat the Bears again. One-step at a time Packers.If you beat the Bears, then see how you fare against Eagles mk? Because it's Lions or Viings right after. Everyteam you have lost to is in this thing and youre 0-5 against them
@@chadd587 now i know you dont know anything about football. guessing your a bears fan
They are a young, flawed team
They are not ready to win a SB
It’s not age that’s the real problem, it’s a bad contract to Jordan 🏳️🌈 Love. Stuck with this dude now and he flat out sucks.
@@ravensvc1 Sucks? Hes a top 12 QB. Thats hard to find. Hes a franchise QB.
$50M is the going rate to keep them now.
No the Packers are not a Super Bowl contender.
Always felt we are still a year away, people just became too optimistic cuz of end of last year and the flashes this year.
Contenders? Hell No. One & Done.
The problem isn't Van Ness or Walker or any other player having a bad game. Every team has weaknesses. The good head coaches expose those weaknesses. The good head coach doesn't win with vanilla play calling. He's going to lose his team if he doesn't set his ego aside.
I am so happy you said that. Thats exactly how I feel. We don't exploit weaknesses and we don't have good enough play calling. We either need a new coach or a new OC. I don't know but these plays are terrible
Van Ness is entering bust territory. It is not about a single game.
@Longhalloween511 A GM is not going to hit on every pick, whether it's number one overall or Mr. Irrelevant... Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. Get over it.
@brianw3656 Nah, sorry you don't know ball brother. Van Ness was a reach at that spot, when you reach like that you gotta get it right. He reached for a guy and he is terrible thus far. He deserves to be called out for it.
Christian Gonzales was on the board dude.@@brianw3656Jack Campbell, jsn, Jordan Addison, and zay flowers all went in the first round after him, all would be better than any player we have at those positions, and as the other guy said we all knew it was a reach, yet gutey wanted to be smarter than everyone else
I wish I could find the comment I made after the Jaguars game, but at that point I think I knew we were not SB contenders. We squeaked by a team that everyone knew wasnt going to be relavant at that point. Just the mistakes. The mental errors by players and coaches. They have all the talent in the world, but it feels like they've completely ignored football fundamentals trying to come up with this elaborate play book. LaFleur is a football genius. Our offense has incredible talent (I dare say, even our O-line has proven they can be top 10, if not top 5). They just don't do the fundamental things. And I think switching to a 4-3 without getting some veteran linemen who have been playing 4-3 was a mistake. You took guys who have played 3-4 (even if a couple of them have played 4-3 before, theyve been playing 3-4 with GB) and told them to completely change their fundamentals. I also think LVN going from 4-3 to 3-4 back to 4-3 is what is killing his development. We talk about system consistency with QBs being key, but I think it's the same with all young players. You've taken an already under developed lineman, switched systems on him, and now he's just not meeting expectations - and we want to call him a bust? No. I call him squandered.
Lafluer crumbles after a fumble on a good drive. Maybe I only remember the bads but it seems, from my memory, every time there is a big time fumble on offense… it takes MLF and the offense 1-2 quarters to bounce back…
Yep and he likes to forget the run game exists, he went 3 straight passes after that fumble. But let Jordan love throw a pick and lafleur will come out throwing it 3 straight times. His system isn't built to win in the playoffs it's built to beat up on bad teams, good teams don't let you do the same thing you killed the bears the week before with, or the jaguars.
@@Iycman - and notice how after the fumble GB got the ball right back and Love goes 0-3 on only pass attempts without Jacobs…to then punt the ball right back to MN. How is that any different than a fumble, a three and out without running. Like he needs to punish Jacobs. Love missed on 3 passes there and could have picked up his teammate by getting some completions.
I'm a Packers fan and I sincerely think that we're not solid,, candidates to win the super bowl it's time we start noticing that the problem with our Packers team is not the players is the coach he doesn't have solutions to fix mistakes he keeps on making the same mistakes season after season is time to let gooo Matt LA fleur and bring a play off wining coach,,,that we'll give us the 5th super bowl trophy 🏆 goo pack gooo 💚💚
Nah we're not contenders. Plain and simple. Can we get hot and go on a run? Sure. But that's not likely. I can't see us winning 3 straight road games. I haven't seen anything to suggest that we can.
The ignorance to compare a defense that sucks to the 2010 defense is hilarious, the 2010 defense just didn't mesh due to injuries but when they did they were special cause they had Charles woodson on 1 side and Sam shields on the other, and shields was a great counter to woodson cause he had to the speed to run with anybody and take away a speedy player like he did desean Jackson in the first round, tremon Williams was also a solid corner for that team, and they had an elite pass rush with clay matthews. I get so sick of the analysis that compares every single packers team to the 2010 packers
No Andy again …. I’m concerned
Not with this play caller. Watching the Lions and 49ers last night run their offenses with misdirection and play action and he refuses to do anything like that against the good teams. We have to scheme our guys open. When we do, we score endless points. I can't understand it.
It's inexplicable. Trouble is he's unselfaware by this kind of refusal he's unconsciously demoralizing the team as a whole.
@James-ll3jb You nailed it. Every loss has the same common denominator. Coach Ego.
They are close, I’m still optimistic. If the injuries in the secondary come back, that will make a difference
Nope, not even close. You’re delusional
There are reasons why he's never truly considered for COTY honors year by year in spite of his record. He has a ceiling and everyone knows right where it is.
Great episode guys. Totally agree on the last time our stars played like stars, the 2010 SB feels about right
Rodgers and company were absolutely playing on fire going into the Playoffs. Definitely not the same feeling
I (and some others) have been really hard on Quay Walker (understandably so). But the few games before his injury, he was playing really well. I think this defense looks much better once we get Walker and Edge on the field together, playing close to (except obviously where there's only one ILB on the field) 100% of the snaps. Stokes played well against the lower teams (MIA, SF, SEA, NO) but he did not have a good game against MIN.
You can’t coach catching a pass. You can coach lining up in the neutral zone
Awesome show
Except no Packer was offsides ever in that game.
@@benswanson5394exactly can’t coach the officials to see properly.
Yes, you can coach catching a football. A team excels at what is emphasized.
How do other teams throw random guys out there who can catch and get open yet packers "elite receiver room" can't do that. Watch Darnell Mooney for the falcons and tell me our guys are at that level@@rdbjr52
Were they at all this year? With Jordan Love??? You’re too funny
I want Green Bay to Beat the Bears . Ending the season with a loss is not the way to do it !
We were so obviously outcoached against the Vikings:
It’s not a given that GB will beat the Bears. I can see them coming out flat.
I think Williams is a better QB than Love, just needs time (that Jordan Love already had). I think Packers will loose
Other teams always get the ball last because Lafleur keeps resisting the numbers and choosing to receive at kickoff
Not until he started using everybody on offense, you got all these good wide receivers you need to make plays for them. We do the same thing over and over number 11 running in motion all day instead of going out catching passes then you seen your wide receivers out for too many deep routes. Send one out there and that’s Watson. You never use your tied ends for nothing. You got two good tight ends maybe three and you use them for just blocking and maybe a pass here and there you have to get everybody involved in the defense. You gotta stop playing so much zone come out of that zone sometime blitz moreplay more man man if you get beat you get beat
Penalties are a coaching problem. LaFlur needs to be on the hot 🔥
Yes, they are. There isn’t anyone in the NFC that the Green Bay Packers can’t beat and no NFC team wants to play them; they’ll be a tough out. Strong running game, balanced offense and opportunistic defense. I think they can beat any team they play but I think their lack of experience and them being the youngest team in the league will ultimately cost them this year. They still make too many mental errors and they constantly put themselves behind the sticks on offense and bail out opposing offenses when they’re on defense. It just needs more experience mostly. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛
I'm sick of hearing the lack of experience or age excuse after your rookie season I expect players to take a second year leap.
“Their best players aren’t stepping up in big games since 2010” … “well, I guess there was that win against Dallas last year.” That segment wasn’t the show’s best.
Few will admit this however the primary reason that Green Bay can’t beat the playoff caliber teams…is Jordan Love playing poorly at QB in these big games. Darnold played elite while Love played terrible in the biggest game. Love took deep drops, held the ball way too long, and refused to hit open check downs. Toyota-Thon? What a joke! He is proving rather to be the QB who is “NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME BIG GAMES!”
This is the #1 problem with the Packers offense. You can’t throw for 59 yards in the first half of a big game as one of the highest paid QB’s and continue to not play good for whole first halves in big games against Detroit and Minnesota. Love is proving to be grossly over paid and now GB is stuck with him for three more years.
Love is a tier of QB that QBs like Derek Carr were in back when he played for the Raiders. He is by no means bad, and has some GREAT games. But he isnt growing any more, and without great WRs, he isnt going to win games against the elite teams in the league.
But he can win a few at any time and put the Packers into the NFCCG on any given year.
@@cronoesifyjordan love isn’t growing anymore? Hot tf did u come to that conclusion
@@bowlofsoup12 he's been in MLFs system for what. 4 years now? 2 years starting.
You think he's going to take a dramatic step forward? KOC was able to get Kirk to turn his whole career narrative around year 1. Sam Darnold? Year 1.
Is MLF the problem, then? Or are we going to treat Jordan Love like he is actually a $55M / year sophomore, and should be given more time to take that "next big step"?
@ u keep forgetting darnold has Justin Jefferson. The best wr in the nfl. Makes things a bit easier bud
@ - doesn’t Love have to at least prove he can lead this GB team into 1 NFCC Game before you make the assertion that he is able to do this in any given season?
On what do you base this on when he is 0-5 against playoff caliber teams this season and in each game could lead the offense to no more than 7 points in the first half and was out played by the opponent’s QB?
“Where can I chant Green Bay sucks this offseason?” 😂😂😂
NO. this WR room is mediocrity all across, and the only guy J-Reed that was looking like a rising star early completely vanished after Doubt cried he wosent getting the ball.
D-line is loaded with a lot of undeperforning dead weight.
Secondary is injured and otherwise not good enough in a division loaded with offensive talent.
LBs are not good enough with only Coop and Walker looking like future stars but another year or 2 away from reaching their potential.
Lafleurs play calling is suspect In situations where his gameplan falls apart , he then seems overly emotional and at a loss as what to do and seems to be throwing all sorts of desperation calls out there.
2-3 year rebuild ahead.
The WR room is fine. The play caller isn't putting them in a position to succeed. There is little misdirection or play action when we play a good team.
Your overall take is really hollow. No way can you call yourself a packer fan. Troll.
2-3 year rebuild? Just stop bro. You’re being absolutely ridiculous
@brianw3656 blow me
@bowlofsoup12 that's your opinion
Anyone in the playoffs is a Super Bowl contender… it’s just comes down to probabilities. It’s been a season full of the same mistakes (though slightly less) so unlikely to get fix. It could be a white knuckle type situation in which they more or less will these mistakes away. This is possible as we’ve seen lesser teams make runs and win superbowls simply through will, NY giants come to mind with Eli.
If u think Eli mannings team is a lesser team that this team your out of your fukn mind. 😂
If they get healthy on D, I like their chances.
I can't wait to see Walker (as long as he returns playing his best ball) on the field with Edge.
Brother it’s not the health that is the main issue. Players get injured, it happens. You still have to go out and play your best ball. The team sucked overall and the team wasn’t performing that well even when healthy. Face the reality of the team
LOL, keep telling yourself that… delusional
They haven't been super bowl contenders since they got smoked by the lions the first time, packers fans were telling themselves this was a super bowl team cause they beat up on some bad teams but other fans know what this team is, it's not just week 17 going into week 18, it's year 2 with these guys in this system. It's also ironic they've been beating up on bad teams since McKinney was talking about the lions running up the score on teams. This team is led by a soft coach who folds in tough environments vs tough teams. How can they have ball control issues in every big game they play?
If you still have “stuff to clean up” in December, you’re not going to get it done this year. I love the Pack, but they’re not ready for prime time this year.
Are the Packers SB contenders? Of course they are. This is football with a one and done format in the playoffs with a very talented error prone young team. Crazy things happen. What chance do I give them? 10% making it to the SB.
Ooh my god here comes the youngest team crap,l can't take it anymore 😢
We haven't seen Jordan Love play up to last year's level yet this season. Why do people keep thinking that he will? The only reason the Packers have won so many games this year is Josh Jacobson. Jordan Love is playing scared after leading the league in interceptions at the beginning of the season. Christian Watson is important to the offence but could also be easily replaced by some fast 4th round draft pick, he is nothing special, just fast and tall.
Last season aaron jones was the spark in GB passing game. GB was very successful in the passing game when jones was involved
Need jaire, Williams, walker, Watson to have a shot
ok so yes reed has a high amount of drops BUT reed has 72.6% catch rate. melton doesnt have drops but he only has 8 catches and 47.1% catch rate. yeah i want the drops fixed but id rather have the guy who catches more of the balls throw to him even with the drops
Jordan needs to start fast and not wait until the 2nd half to come alive.
The Eagles locked up the 2 seed when they lost to Washington two weeks ago
I would call them a playoff contender.
I think they got away from the pass too much and the passing game got rusty I understand they needed the run to win some of their games this year but they the pass attack now I think they should pass practice a lot against the Bears get it honed like last year
The worst analyst and reaction is always comparing this team to 2010 and claiming it's the same, it's actually stupid and makes 0 sense. Can't get through this video when that is said in the first 5 minutes
This team has no identity, with one game let on the season. That’s a coaching problem.
Where is Andy 😊
This is a easy question to answer...No they're not a Super Bowl contender! Every team has flaws but the contenders are elite in some aspects of the game. We are elite at nothing.
Our pass rush isn't magically getting better in the playoffs and without a pass rush you're unlikely to beat 3 good teams...the end anything else is hopium
Not because the packer defense not good enough for 3rd down and long passes.
Sure
They are a top team in the playoffs
But not favorites
But sure why not
Nope. Can’t win at a high level if you can’t get to the QB consistently. We can’t. And our offensive play calling needs to get better.
No. Period. Has to be earned, cant call yourself that when you lose to every good team you face
No not with a average qb being paid as top qb
Absolutely not
saying GB is the best team behind the eagles, Love is better than Hurts, Stokes has been playing good ball 😂 what did I just listen to.
This is why we suck because we be too delusional about our team and refuse to face the facts about the issue of our team
The answer is no. Bit it’s been a fun season!
The notion that we're right behind Philly for 2nd most talent is just crazy. We are lacking at WR, lacking at CB, lacking at DL/EDGE. Us Packer fans are making the mistake of confusing "draft position" with "talent". Truth is that we've burned pick after high pick at CB and DL/EDGE and failed to actually get production out of it.
@AndrewBeveridge461 "us Packer fans." Nice try troll.
Lacking at WR gtfoh
Where are u Herman
NO NO AND NO PACKERS ARE PRETENDERS NOT CONTENDERS!!
As long as MLF is the head coach the answer is no
Lafleur isn’t without blame, but it would be nice if people actually appropriately blamed the players for the countless execution mistakes they’ve made, rather than the excessive lafleur hate that’s came out the past couple days.
@ Fair enough, tho sloppy uninspired play tends to be a by product of coaching, they’re either not properly prepared or not properly motivated, great coaches inspire their players to play their best at all times or have harsh consequences if the team doesn’t give full effort, players need to have a healthy fear of their coach like they did for Lombardi, Jimmy Johnson, Landry, Belichick
@@Destino2493I don’t think lafleur punishing guys with more up downs cuz a professional fumbled or dropped a pass is the answer we’re looking for here. It’s likely a solid first half against a great team if Jacobs doesn’t fumble while entering scoring range, Reed catches it/and or Love places the ball a little better, and the phantom offsides isn’t called. None of these things are a lafleur problem and we’re the difference in points or likely points and potentially winning at the half.
If we want to criticize lafleurs gameplan in which he even admitted they weren’t prepared enough for, go for it, but every loss has fell on basic player execution as much as anything.
His emotions take over resulting in consistent mistakes throughout the games. Also can alpha male players truly respect and follow a HC with this effeminate trait?
To b honest this definitely not a Super Bowl team
So sick of phrase get cleaned up.
Guys what is going on with Andy Herman? Why is Andy ducking videos? Do we think he will cover the Packers again this season? Will he be covering a new team next year? The team needs to give us answers.
He’s sick. The flu was mentioned. Andy loves his business and these podcasts covering the Packers. He’s obviously going to be back. This must be killing him not to be able to cover this week.
Not an excuse but it WAS a short week.
Maaan stop it
@kaywill9677 an extra day would have only helped
@@MasterBojangles Love throwing to them wide open check downs woulda helped
@kaywill9677 oh I totally agree. I catch a lot of sh*t for it but I say it looks like he's guessing out there and not reading coverage
Not this year, they're not.
And play loose
No there not there yet. No chance they can win 3 in a row.
Hell no, they are terrible I
hate everything
They are not SB contenders
Who?
Every team that makes the playoffs is a Super Bowl contender. Every team could win four in a row if things break their way. I've seen worse teams than Green Bay win Super Bowls.
Name the other teams with this year's competition.
@@TomWakeman-ul7om 07 Giants
No way are they a contender
Pack is a great garbage time team. Matt Lafailure.
No
This year is so similar to the 2010 Packers. They had so many close losses to good teams that year.
It was only close due to garbage time points vs prevent defenses
No.
Garbage Time Champions 🗑️ Trash
Packers are getting eliminated in the playoffs
Packers will beat eagles, vikings, lions in the playoffs to go to the Superbowl.
They were not in all these games. That’s is just not true.
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No.
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