If a teacher gave a student Paracetamol, that teacher could be sued by the parents. When I was a child, the teachers would tell us never trust an adult who said don't tell your parents X. Or don't tell her parents I told you this.
Yes. And even dictating reality itself. Putting yourself on par with the Creator/forces in nature. Regardless if you believe in God or the Evolution. Talk about hubris.
A powerful feeling for a generation that’s been told by its parents how to do every little thing and had every bit of its agency stripped away by them and by school. We made kids sitting ducks for gender ideology by colonizing childhood, by childproofing childhood.
I’ve written on my channel why we shouldn’t compare trans identities with anorexic identities. The analogy trans people make is it’s the equivalent of supporting an anorexic to get healthy. They see the birth gender as equivalent to having anorexia. I know because that’s what I saw when I was trans and most other trans people agreed with me.
On the matter of Anime: Most anime is FAR from androgynous and is instead rather hyper-sexualized....especially when it comes to women and girls. Most anime portray females as some sort of woman/child hybrid with the hyper accentuated anatomy of a fertile woman (unrealistically outsized breasts, wasp-like waist, outsized buttocks etc.) but then combines these with the doe eyes, vocal patterns, and general demeanor of of a submissive pre-adolescent girl. They are in other words, the perfect cross between a pre-pubescent "child" who is demur, dependent, and sexually vulnerable.....while simultaneously being anatomically exaggerated, sexually mature, and therefore sexually available. Hence it comes as ZERO surprise to me hear that Anime is "big" in the trans community. It's exactly the sort of attraction you'd expect from any man with an unhealthy and dysfunctional conception of "women" or a male with autogynephilic leanings....or both.
thank you - I do think young girls wanting to be trans men are influenced by bishonen (pretty boy) male characters and yaoi manga, where men are portrayed as looking very beautiful, almost feminine, and there's usually a very young looking adult male character paired up with a much larger masculine but still very beautiful man.
Yes, sex stereotypes have become so polarised in this era. Everything about being female seems manufactured. If you want to be attractive, you have to pump up your lips, breasts and buttocks artificially through so called beauty treatments and surgery, which has become completely normalised. Wear an absolute tonne of makeup, ridiculously uncomfortable and vertiginous shoes, and colour and extend your hair, oh yes and constantly have long painted acrylic nails. Men are under pressure to be muscular and buff, with trimmed body hair, but the pressure leads to generally less articiality for men. No wonder these images make so many young people question, 'I'm not that, what the hell am I'?
Great interview. A generation of overinvolved parenting has led to several phenomena that fuel the trans movement: *Kids have lower distress tolerance than ever. They react to negative emotional experience as though the environment, rather than themselves, needs to change. *They've always had a seat at the table, for deciding everything with the adults. So their experience is that adults must listen and validate everything they think and feel. *They've been taught that feelings are always right. *They've been over-pathologized and taught to identify with their pathologies.
Sometimes it's like this, but often not. Data from the Tavistock gender clinic showed how over-represented kids from foster homes are. Also kids with a parent who had committed r* or SA. This points to a group who attach to this identity because of trauma. Also over-represented are autistic and same-s* attracted kids. If it was a generational problem owing to parenting, we wouldn't see these patterns. I'm not saying your explanation doesn't apply to some of this cohort, but I think you're being too "broad brush" with your statements.
@L_Martin Yup, disenfranchised youth finds a predominantly online community that validates them, and offers a stringent anti-parent, anti-authority narrative. It's not new rebellion, but it's tragic.
All outcomes are the result of multiple contributing factors. The factors you note, especially the comorbidity of autism spectrum disorders and same-sex attraction play largely in the current trans contagion. I'm simply highlighting macro factors that don't get enough airtime, not trying to downplay more specific factors that we all know contribute. @@L_Martin
I am an old gay male who came out of the closet in the 1980's. These are my thoughts: 1. A child whose brain is not developed enough to be considered competent to drink alcohol, smoke, drive, or vote is not miraculously competent enough to validly claim to be the opposite gender inside. 2. There is no single definition of maleness or femaleness "inside," because each person is unique. 3. NOBODY knows what it "feels like" to be someone else inside. 4. All a child knows is what he/she likes and to whom he/she is attracted. 5. The definition of maleness and femaleness in society is created BY society; it is a primitive man-made cultural role assignment, not an intrinsic quality. 6. Kids would never have the idea that they are something else inside, or that their bodies were wrong, if it were not for that thought being planted by adults. 7. The drug industry and medical professionals stand to make a lot of money over the years from convincing children to have the ultimate "plastic surgery" performed. This is the ultimate in medical enslavement. 8. A lot of parents, teachers, and media personalities are idiots.
You are correct. There's also the pervasive element of virtue signalling. Many people will see someone who identifies as trans as "oppressed," always right, and in need of over protection. Many of the parents pushing this are narcissistic at some level and are using their kid as a woke trophy.
This is why gay men's voices need to be heard, in this debate. We actually have a lot of empathy....because we have experienced these thoughts and feelings.
@@386jimboyYes!!! Unfortunately what is starting to occur as of lately is an alignment of formally liberal/progressive-identified gay men bonding with right wingers and appearing on Fox News, and other right wing TV shows to debate this issue when in reality, it’s the right wingers who don’t care for LGBTQ right in the first place. The same happened with radical feminists back in the 80s when they got into bed with the religious right to ban pornography. We progressives who feel strongly that kids should be allowed to identify or behave in gender nonconformity without having to resort to hormones or anything drastic (until they are mature) have to be very careful about aligning with the Right on this issue because there is a difference in objectives; the right would like to erase LGBTQ people off the map with conversion therapy whereas us gay folks are concerned about the erasure of LGBTQ people by convincing butch lesbians that they are “trans men” and feminine gay men that they are better off becoming “straight women”.
Detransitioners and desisters also talk about how it felt like leaving a cult and like they had no idea who they really were while in it but relate that detransition or detsistence brought them slowly back to themselves.
"Grooming" isn't always a reference to sexual grooming, a lot of this is ideological grooming using the same grooming tactics cults use. So please don't always associate the grooming accusation with sexual grooming, because there are more than one forms of grooming.
For a smart guy, Jonathan can be pretty idiotic from time to time. As when, at 23:35, he expresses his fear of a conservative backlash that might deprive children of ALL trans interventions, even to those children who "maybe" could benefit from them. (How naive can you be?!) As though you're ever helping a kid by agreeing that, yes, they ought to change sex. Even worse was 32:41, where he rejects the use of the accusation of "being a groomer" (directed against people who are pushing gender ideology) on the basis that this suggests it's all about sex--when, actually, so many of these children are "fleeing sex." This interpretation gets it exactly backwards. People who speak about "grooming" are not suggesting that it's about sex FOR THE CONFUSED CHILD; they are pointing the finger at those who push the ideology. For, among that population, there are clearly predators, who are taking advantage of the child's confusion; taking advantage of their alienation from their parents; taking advantage of the intimate subject matter under discussion--to insinuate themselves, on intimate terms and in secrecy. That's grooming, Jonathan!
This is a good three way conversation between Jonathan and the two women which covered a lot of ground. Worth while listening to the end. Three heads are worth putting together. This broadcast is designed to help parents and avoid a “child led “ situation quite rightly
@richardbanker3910 I agree it's worth listening to. My sense is that Jonathan is alarmed by the rhetoric and tone of those doing the pushback against "gender affirming care"; but that is no real reason for rejecting their conclusions, which are prudent, time-tested, and common-sensical. Somehow, he's allowed himself to be talked into the fiction of "the trans child," merely because he doesn't want to belong to the "right wing" groups who reject it.
He refers to Jazz who was two yrs old when the adults determined, that they had a "trans child" after he wanted to wear his older sisters bathing suit and asked him questions he was not old enough to even fully understand.
@@philipmoss4027 That’s spot on. I’m not going to fall for the trick of avoiding saying something just because groups having views I have emphatically disagreed with all my life and are way to the right of mr have just for once got it correct.
I don't see how there is such a thing as "trans". I can agree that gender dysphoria exists but how does one move from one sex to another? That is not physically possible.
I don't buy that it is the correct path for some children. Yes, they may feel better but we don't know if puberty or teraphy would also help. We also don't know the long term effects transition will have. I even question if it's the correct treatment for adults. The surgeries are still experimental and irreversible and is performed on perfectly healthy bodies. I find it highly unethical for medical practicioners to perform these procedures.
To borrow an old idiom: The fact that a "supported" trans ideated child appears happier than an unsupported one is no more to the point than the fact that the drunkard appears happier than the sober man.
@@oliverhug3Not for everybody. I didn't sort out my issues until I was in my early thirties. Thank goodness it was before I was aware of the transgender movement or I would have definitely stepped into it looking for answers.
I am part of the Cult Recovery Community, and I see no evidence that this group has any awareness of gender ideology as a cult. People who have been in cults are the #1 most likely people to get fooled by the next cult. If Steven Hassan would pay attention to this that would be really good. I would love to see Cult Recovery people start taking this seriously. I encourage people to write to Hassan about this and try to open his eyes.
There is also a newer connection between incel young men and what’s called the trans pipeline. Wherein young lonely Incels turn to transition to find peace within themselves. It’s incredible honestly.
This and men not wanting to age, go bald, etc. They 'transition' to look better (una twisted way). In fact they take this step much later in life, while for women we're talking about kids and teenagers
@@4651adri I see your point. From what I’ve seen, those who transition in the later years can more likely be aytogynophiles. People will do anything to be youthful and beautiful.
Regarding anime, wargames & RPGs: people weren't changing their genders left and right in the 70s and 80s at the height of popularity of those hobbies. The escapism of manga and games is just something that reinforces the behaviors but doesn't cause them. Something else is going on. This is a social contagion driven by the internet, social media and peer pressure and these women are right, its an anti family movement. You no longer have the same influence on your kids as post modern media.
Excellent observation. I am 35 years old. I was in to manga from the time I was 13 until I was 18. The popular anime series of the time (Gundam Wing, Inu Yasha, Sailor Moon, Full Metal Alchemist) never once pushed a "transition your body to resemble the opposite sex" in any way. I never once read or heard of anyone telling anyone else that "they were actually a boy or girl." There are nefarious sources pushing this. Dr. Jordan Peterson has a psychiatrist on his podcast awhile back. She discussed how this ideology came about through Dr. John Money decades ago and what she has seen of it since then.
I really enjoyed this video. The amount of ads in this video was rediculous, so I will likely not watch more from your channel, but I ty for the content and I hope the ads are dealt with.
@@Zzyzzyx you think not? Well, I was interrupted seven times while watching this video. On other channels that I watch videos from regularly there are usually two or sometimes three ad interruptions in videos almost two hours long...seven in under an hour was absolutely rediculous....and if this channel does that again in any video I watch, they will lose my web traffic
I think recording a therapy session with Stella and recording one with an affirming therapist and putting them next to each other would be very enlightening for people.
Yeah, one would be a mental health professional in a position of power blindly agreeing with your self-diagnosis regardless of your mental health issues or history and egging you on to undergo permanent medical interventions, the other would be a therapy session where you actually address the root of your distress about your body.
The difference between gay and T is that gay is an actual thing...with RL consequences...if you are gay you are expected to actually bed someone of the same sx and in most cases that is what is happening. (so if a man has sx with another man you cant say "weeell...I have the suspect that you are actually straight"...it's quiet clear that that is not the case...) Being T (or NB, or whatever) is completely in your head...no actual physical proofs...most of the time there are no actual consequences (except some cosmetic interventions) and we are just supposed to believe a T person just because he sais so... (so, yes, in that case the suspect that he is actually lying or just very confused is totally justified)
@@michaelhouston551 being gay is certainly "unnatural" in the sense that the "natural" (or "correct" or "long term viable") status for a binary species like the humans is to have male and females to be attracted by eachother with the target to make sx, have a offspring and perpetuate the species with future generations... (a thing that would not happen if the vast majority of us suddenly become gay...so the human species would die) BUT...as I said...being gay is also a factual thing, that can be physically demonstrated...if that is your factual sxual preference, be my guest and do what you like...I am nobody to tell you what you have to like or dislike... T's are mainly ppl with a mental disorder, like anorexics...their case has very little to do with gay/lez...is not a "preference"...is an unprovable (and alterated) state of mind that makes you perceive a distorted reality...
The mention in points about how parents are making promises to their children and appeasing them and placating them, and allowing their children to make these life altering decisions, are the same parents who will prop up this nonsense, and this ideology, and this social contagion, because they have made false promises to their children about society. And they will point the finger at anybody else before they look at themselves and say oh my God, I’ve made the worst decision of my life where my child is concerned.
Helen Joyce has pointed out that these parents will fight to the bitter end to defend the irreversible choices their parents agreed to be made on their child's behalf. Because to realise would make them terminally depressed.
Gender is an adjective, not a noun. Things and actions are gendered, a person does not have a gender. A trait can be feminine or masculine (or could not be identified with them at all). A women with traits we associate more with men (possibly biologially informed) does not make them not a women. They have been told by medicine, media and the state that to 'act like a man' is to be a man. And medicine, media and the state have the answer. And that anawer just happens to give them power and money.
Is the Anime connection a similar phenomenon to the Femi Wolfdom guy in the 'What is a Women?' film? It seems to me they are both a complete abandonment of reality - in favour of a fantasy world (in which anything you see in fiction can become true.) The powerful force that is promoting this (in place of reality and real analysis and conversations about the world) seems rather reminiscent of the behaviour of the A.I. 'Samaritan' (trying to pacify humanity by manipulating perceptions) in the TV Drama 'Person of Interest'.
I would also posit that it is an analog to the LACK of control one has over the happenings of the real world vs the control one has over an avatar in the VR/gaming world. It's no stretch to hypothesize that people want some kind of control over their own lives, and by assuming the appearance/actions of characters in their video games over which they have complete control (and social connection as well), they no longer have to live in two separate worlds. Between bringing their virtual world to life and claiming identities that do not correlate with what the real world has to offer, control of oneself AND others is entirely possible despite the chaos happening in society with the economy and other world affairs. I'm happy to be wrong, but it's certainly been a prevailing thought over the past several years as this issue has become more prevalent.
Anime grooming is how I ended up IN this fight. I put myself in the place of a child entering that world online. There are literally millions of adults professionally engaged in fking up child minds. Anime cartoon sweat shops with talented underpaid mostly young male cartoonists pumping out cartoon prn for mostly USA boys.... a whole new attack from The Axis.
When I was a kid at many questions my dad would say.."I will tell you when you are older"..This of course got highly annoying but you know what...not only was he right that the answer wouldn't really have been the best knowledge to have at that point...By 18 I realized I could not actually remember any of the questions itself. I also learned how to do research. A valuable skill as is evident in not falling for "narratives' most do fall for
Male identity has not been subjected to as much scrutiny as female...especially in the last 50yrs. In many ways the trans phenomenon can be said to be related to (descended from?) the more navel-gazing aspects of feminism.
The comment made by the one woman on this podcast whose trans son seems to have adopted a female identity as a social statement reminded me of a statistic that I read regarding the amazingly high percentage of young "trans identifying" persons that sexually are biologically heterosexual in their activity.
24:45 The street protester you mention seem to have a cluster "B" personality. I would submit many institutions and organization have employees or are led by cluster "B" personalities.
I can't believe what I just heard. At approximately the 24 minute mark, when a speaker described things in Canada, and how some 80% of the population supposedly expresses extreme concern over struggles with schoolboards, teachers, governmental controls etc., - in order that families are not under attack and that parents can reassert control over the fate of their own children... and it was expressed that perhaps a backlash was coming in response to adverse affects possibly damaging a community of alphabet people (LGBT queer and god knows what else.) I say are you crazy? We need to protect children. We need to protect families. We need to get back on track with real education so that perhaps 80 or 90% of the "marginalized" families don't have to sacrifice their children to an educational industry meltdown that causes extreme non-education. We need to get back on track with normativity, reality and Natural Law, and ordinary everyday decent people being able to conduct their affairs knowing that they can simply tell the truth and not be tyrannized by outright lies. These are extreme and serious issues in any society that attempts to cater to the belief it is free and democratic. And we're supposed to, with all this on the line, worry about a real population of less than 10% of the total? (I'm not talking about the completely artificially manufactured inflated imaginary fantasized garbage numbers we're media spoon fed.) Again, back to the backlash causing adverse... Do we think that the "adverse affects" on families victimized by woke garbage have not been extreme? The oppression from a tyranny many feel powerless to fight back against? That the damage to innocent children is just something trite, lite and hardly worth worrying about? (A gender non-conforming child is "damaged." There are 45 of them (naturally) in a school of 1200. We're going to throw the other 1155 of them under the bus, just to be fair.) This is insanity.
Yeah, I think Millennials and under know this, but older generations are really really innocent about anime. Males who watch anime are consuming Hentai alongside it (plus whatever other pa /wn they watch), while females who consume anime are often reading/writing very explicit "yaoi" (explicit stories featuring 2 male characters from the anime). Of the 2 things, the hentai is the more damaging imo. It's incredibly graphic and in almost every case is "noncon" and features violence. "Tentacle pa /wn" is a massive thing in hentai. Parents should be aware of this. Obviously not EVERY fan of anime is doing this, but tbh if your a teenage boy into anime, it's very very likely.
I must have missed something because this interview all of a sudden switched to an interview with an American parent “Josie”who was not identified? Was that an editing error? it’s not mentioned in the description either.
Many detrainitioners come to terms with the fact they are simply gay. If society wasn't still so homophobic, perhaps these kids would find their place and not feel the need to conform to a hetero stereotype, ie, A boy thinking, 'I feel feminine, I'm attracted to boys, I must be a girl', rather than accepting they are same sex attracted. The same principle applies to more masculine girls. Acceptance of same sex attraction would go a long way in creating a supportive environment for kids who happen to be gay not trans and who do not conform to hetero normative presentation.
Most people don't care about being gay anymore, it's widely accepted at this point. Where I draw the line is the outrageous inappropriate behavior in that community that really needs to stop ASAP, because it's causing people like me (who never had any issues with them before) to retract my support for them. Between the inappropriate behavior, the trans issue causing the destruction we're seeing, and the totalitarian nature of the "community" overall, I have completely turned hostile towards the entire group at this point..... This "community" needs to stay in their own little corner and stop imposing themselves on the rest of society because they're only creating a growing resentment towards them.....
@@rclaws3230 The problem is that gay spaces are homophobic now. Everything is captured by intersectional progressives so for a normal gay person its either just stay home and try your luck finding someone who is also gay but not an activist or join them. Most of society is either indifferent to gay people or has gone way above and beyond fetishizing them. You can't be just gay anymore thanks to far left politics.
30 minutes in and this is nothing but ad hominem. I’m trying to hear viewpoints on both sides, but this is just gross. Zero facts have been presented so far, only anecdotes, and the one woman’s son won’t even speak to her because of how she treats him. This is supposed to be a convincing argument? Can someone present a different argument than “trans people are weird”?
if your kid is claiming trans. you arent parenting right. they are either missing fatherly guidance or a absent mindless mother is involved. no in betweens. accountability 100 percent on the parent... even in regard to allowing them online uninhibited for the idea to fester, or in school the same
@@iwo612 you said it yourself. Society in general has uplifted a maternal way of parenting and degraded paternal values . The result is in front of you . You don’t need to pray when you actually do the work
This is a variation on the very naive “it only happens to bad people” argument. At this point it has happened to plenty of very engaged, involved parents with good values and good parenting instincts. They get blindsided by a trans declaration and then try to figure out what the hell happened only to realize that their kid got swept up in something despite a solid foundation. And then they have to fight for their child’s future against the state and condescending parents on both sides of the issue. What a nightmare.
Stop forcing this down the majority of people's necks. There were no trans kids once, as they hadn't heard of the concept ! Once they'd reached adulthood, they were then free to follow up on how they felt, without the ambiguity adolescence often brings. I wanted to be a boy when I was younger, but only because in my childhood, boys were allowed to get away with more than girls were & I was an out & out tomboy.
6 minutes in and they’ve already committed the fallacy of ad hominem. “It’s like a religion,” “it’s like a cult.” I was expecting something more substantial than name calling; instead, we get these “experts” “poisoning the well” from the outset. Very disappointing.
So if a kid is arrested and charged with a crime, the state is required to give written notice to the parents. That the parents might be angry or not sympathetic to the child's predicament is not an excuse for non-notification. Yet if the kid is struggling with sexual identity those same parents who must be told about criminal activity, shouldnt be told about gender identity issues?
If a teacher gave a student Paracetamol, that teacher could be sued by the parents. When I was a child, the teachers would tell us never trust an adult who said don't tell your parents X. Or don't tell her parents I told you this.
Cutting off a person from their family and friends is page 1 of cult indoctrination!
Transgenderism doesn't move away from regressive stereotypes, it reinforces them.
It's at odds with many of the movements views on masculinity and femininity within heterosexual couples.
Exactly , trans genderism is gender stereotypes on steroids. So backwards
Anorexia is about control of self, declaring yourself trans allows you to control yourself and OTHERS, a powerful feeling.
A very good insight.
Yes. And even dictating reality itself. Putting yourself on par with the Creator/forces in nature. Regardless if you believe in God or the Evolution. Talk about hubris.
A powerful feeling for a generation that’s been told by its parents how to do every little thing and had every bit of its agency stripped away by them and by school. We made kids sitting ducks for gender ideology by colonizing childhood, by childproofing childhood.
I’ve written on my channel why we shouldn’t compare trans identities with anorexic identities.
The analogy trans people make is it’s the equivalent of supporting an anorexic to get healthy. They see the birth gender as equivalent to having anorexia. I know because that’s what I saw when I was trans and most other trans people agreed with me.
So they see the natural state of being as a mental disorder? That's exactly why we compare trans with anorexia.
On the matter of Anime: Most anime is FAR from androgynous and is instead rather hyper-sexualized....especially when it comes to women and girls. Most anime portray females as some sort of woman/child hybrid with the hyper accentuated anatomy of a fertile woman (unrealistically outsized breasts, wasp-like waist, outsized buttocks etc.) but then combines these with the doe eyes, vocal patterns, and general demeanor of of a submissive pre-adolescent girl. They are in other words, the perfect cross between a pre-pubescent "child" who is demur, dependent, and sexually vulnerable.....while simultaneously being anatomically exaggerated, sexually mature, and therefore sexually available.
Hence it comes as ZERO surprise to me hear that Anime is "big" in the trans community. It's exactly the sort of attraction you'd expect from any man with an unhealthy and dysfunctional conception of "women" or a male with autogynephilic leanings....or both.
Bingo
anime is actively grooming children. Japan got ISSUES.
Also the exposure to "hentai" which young children are often exposed to thru adult grooming in online gaming and social cites.
thank you - I do think young girls wanting to be trans men are influenced by bishonen (pretty boy) male characters and yaoi manga, where men are portrayed as looking very beautiful, almost feminine, and there's usually a very young looking adult male character paired up with a much larger masculine but still very beautiful man.
Yes, sex stereotypes have become so polarised in this era. Everything about being female seems manufactured. If you want to be attractive, you have to pump up your lips, breasts and buttocks artificially through so called beauty treatments and surgery, which has become completely normalised. Wear an absolute tonne of makeup, ridiculously uncomfortable and vertiginous shoes, and colour and extend your hair, oh yes and constantly have long painted acrylic nails. Men are under pressure to be muscular and buff, with trimmed body hair, but the pressure leads to generally less articiality for men. No wonder these images make so many young people question, 'I'm not that, what the hell am I'?
Great interview. A generation of overinvolved parenting has led to several phenomena that fuel the trans movement:
*Kids have lower distress tolerance than ever. They react to negative emotional experience as though the environment, rather than themselves, needs to change.
*They've always had a seat at the table, for deciding everything with the adults. So their experience is that adults must listen and validate everything they think and feel.
*They've been taught that feelings are always right.
*They've been over-pathologized and taught to identify with their pathologies.
That is so true.
Sometimes it's like this, but often not. Data from the Tavistock gender clinic showed how over-represented kids from foster homes are. Also kids with a parent who had committed r* or SA. This points to a group who attach to this identity because of trauma.
Also over-represented are autistic and same-s* attracted kids. If it was a generational problem owing to parenting, we wouldn't see these patterns.
I'm not saying your explanation doesn't apply to some of this cohort, but I think you're being too "broad brush" with your statements.
@L_Martin Yup, disenfranchised youth finds a predominantly online community that validates them, and offers a stringent anti-parent, anti-authority narrative. It's not new rebellion, but it's tragic.
All outcomes are the result of multiple contributing factors. The factors you note, especially the comorbidity of autism spectrum disorders and same-sex attraction play largely in the current trans contagion. I'm simply highlighting macro factors that don't get enough airtime, not trying to downplay more specific factors that we all know contribute. @@L_Martin
Spot on!
I am an old gay male who came out of the closet in the 1980's. These are my thoughts:
1. A child whose brain is not developed enough to be considered competent to drink alcohol, smoke, drive, or vote is not miraculously competent enough to validly claim to be the opposite gender inside.
2. There is no single definition of maleness or femaleness "inside," because each person is unique.
3. NOBODY knows what it "feels like" to be someone else inside.
4. All a child knows is what he/she likes and to whom he/she is attracted.
5. The definition of maleness and femaleness in society is created BY society; it is a primitive man-made cultural role assignment, not an intrinsic quality.
6. Kids would never have the idea that they are something else inside, or that their bodies were wrong, if it were not for that thought being planted by adults.
7. The drug industry and medical professionals stand to make a lot of money over the years from convincing children to have the ultimate "plastic surgery" performed. This is the ultimate in medical enslavement.
8. A lot of parents, teachers, and media personalities are idiots.
You are correct. There's also the pervasive element of virtue signalling. Many people will see someone who identifies as trans as "oppressed," always right, and in need of over protection. Many of the parents pushing this are narcissistic at some level and are using their kid as a woke trophy.
Say #3 louder for the people in the back.
This is why gay men's voices need to be heard, in this debate. We actually have a lot of empathy....because we have experienced these thoughts and feelings.
@@386jimboy Thanks, Jimboy! I think that there is a manipulation going on that is FAR greater and deeper than any of us suspect.
@@386jimboyYes!!! Unfortunately what is starting to occur as of lately is an alignment of formally liberal/progressive-identified gay men bonding with right wingers and appearing on Fox News, and other right wing TV shows to debate this issue when in reality, it’s the right wingers who don’t care for LGBTQ right in the first place. The same happened with radical feminists back in the 80s when they got into bed with the religious right to ban pornography. We progressives who feel strongly that kids should be allowed to identify or behave in gender nonconformity without having to resort to hormones or anything drastic (until they are mature) have to be very careful about aligning with the Right on this issue because there is a difference in objectives; the right would like to erase LGBTQ people off the map with conversion therapy whereas us gay folks are concerned about the erasure of LGBTQ people by convincing butch lesbians that they are “trans men” and feminine gay men that they are better off becoming “straight women”.
Detransitioners and desisters also talk about how it felt like leaving a cult and like they had no idea who they really were while in it but relate that detransition or detsistence brought them slowly back to themselves.
There's a video out there illustrating the similarities between transgenderism and Scientology
"Grooming" isn't always a reference to sexual grooming, a lot of this is ideological grooming using the same grooming tactics cults use. So please don't always associate the grooming accusation with sexual grooming, because there are more than one forms of grooming.
Correct, you see it with child suicide bombers for example.
Agreed, it's manipulating impressionable youth.
For a smart guy, Jonathan can be pretty idiotic from time to time. As when, at 23:35, he expresses his fear of a conservative backlash that might deprive children of ALL trans interventions, even to those children who "maybe" could benefit from them. (How naive can you be?!) As though you're ever helping a kid by agreeing that, yes, they ought to change sex.
Even worse was 32:41, where he rejects the use of the accusation of "being a groomer" (directed against people who are pushing gender ideology) on the basis that this suggests it's all about sex--when, actually, so many of these children are "fleeing sex." This interpretation gets it exactly backwards. People who speak about "grooming" are not suggesting that it's about sex FOR THE CONFUSED CHILD; they are pointing the finger at those who push the ideology. For, among that population, there are clearly predators, who are taking advantage of the child's confusion; taking advantage of their alienation from their parents; taking advantage of the intimate subject matter under discussion--to insinuate themselves, on intimate terms and in secrecy. That's grooming, Jonathan!
Thanks, you saved me from listening to the remainder of this podcast. (Why I always read the comments).
This is a good three way conversation between Jonathan and the two women which covered a lot of ground. Worth while listening to the end. Three heads are worth putting together. This broadcast is designed to help parents and avoid a “child led “ situation quite rightly
@richardbanker3910 I agree it's worth listening to.
My sense is that Jonathan is alarmed by the rhetoric and tone of those doing the pushback against "gender affirming care"; but that is no real reason for rejecting their conclusions, which are prudent, time-tested, and common-sensical. Somehow, he's allowed himself to be talked into the fiction of "the trans child," merely because he doesn't want to belong to the "right wing" groups who reject it.
He refers to Jazz who was two yrs old when the adults determined, that they had a "trans child" after he wanted to wear his older sisters bathing suit and asked him questions he was not old enough to even fully understand.
@@philipmoss4027 That’s spot on. I’m not going to fall for the trick of avoiding saying something just because groups having views I have emphatically disagreed with all my life and are way to the right of mr have just for once got it correct.
I don't see how there is such a thing as "trans". I can agree that gender dysphoria exists but how does one move from one sex to another? That is not physically possible.
No it’s not. Can’t be done.
I don't buy that it is the correct path for some children. Yes, they may feel better but we don't know if puberty or teraphy would also help. We also don't know the long term effects transition will have. I even question if it's the correct treatment for adults. The surgeries are still experimental and irreversible and is performed on perfectly healthy bodies. I find it highly unethical for medical practicioners to perform these procedures.
To borrow an old idiom: The fact that a "supported" trans ideated child appears happier than an unsupported one is no more to the point than the fact that the drunkard appears happier than the sober man.
Puberty is the cure.
@@oliverhug3Not for everybody. I didn't sort out my issues until I was in my early thirties. Thank goodness it was before I was aware of the transgender movement or I would have definitely stepped into it looking for answers.
I saw a video in which a physician declared that the best way to cure gender dysphoria is going through puberty! Let’s leave nature alone, please!!!!
I am part of the Cult Recovery Community, and I see no evidence that this group has any awareness of gender ideology as a cult. People who have been in cults are the #1 most likely people to get fooled by the next cult.
If Steven Hassan would pay attention to this that would be really good. I would love to see Cult Recovery people start taking this seriously.
I encourage people to write to Hassan about this and try to open his eyes.
The parents of these confused kids are VERY aware that this is a cult.
There's a video comparing transgenderism with Scientology
There is also a newer connection between incel young men and what’s called the trans pipeline. Wherein young lonely Incels turn to transition to find peace within themselves. It’s incredible honestly.
"Trancels" Many identify as "lesbians" and pursue relationships and access to lesbian social environments.
incel logic has infected most online leftist movements - see fat acceptance as well.
This and men not wanting to age, go bald, etc. They 'transition' to look better (una twisted way). In fact they take this step much later in life, while for women we're talking about kids and teenagers
@@4651adri I see your point. From what I’ve seen, those who transition in the later years can more likely be aytogynophiles. People will do anything to be youthful and beautiful.
They need male influence and likely have neuro Disease
Regarding anime, wargames & RPGs: people weren't changing their genders left and right in the 70s and 80s at the height of popularity of those hobbies. The escapism of manga and games is just something that reinforces the behaviors but doesn't cause them. Something else is going on. This is a social contagion driven by the internet, social media and peer pressure and these women are right, its an anti family movement. You no longer have the same influence on your kids as post modern media.
Excellent observation. I am 35 years old. I was in to manga from the time I was 13 until I was 18. The popular anime series of the time (Gundam Wing, Inu Yasha, Sailor Moon, Full Metal Alchemist) never once pushed a "transition your body to resemble the opposite sex" in any way. I never once read or heard of anyone telling anyone else that "they were actually a boy or girl." There are nefarious sources pushing this. Dr. Jordan Peterson has a psychiatrist on his podcast awhile back. She discussed how this ideology came about through Dr. John Money decades ago and what she has seen of it since then.
I really enjoyed this video. The amount of ads in this video was rediculous, so I will likely not watch more from your channel, but I ty for the content and I hope the ads are dealt with.
I'm not sure they can control that...
@@Zzyzzyx you think not? Well, I was interrupted seven times while watching this video. On other channels that I watch videos from regularly there are usually two or sometimes three ad interruptions in videos almost two hours long...seven in under an hour was absolutely rediculous....and if this channel does that again in any video I watch, they will lose my web traffic
I think recording a therapy session with Stella and recording one with an affirming therapist and putting them next to each other would be very enlightening for people.
Yeah, one would be a mental health professional in a position of power blindly agreeing with your self-diagnosis regardless of your mental health issues or history and egging you on to undergo permanent medical interventions, the other would be a therapy session where you actually address the root of your distress about your body.
The difference between gay and T is that gay is an actual thing...with RL consequences...if you are gay you are expected to actually bed someone of the same sx and in most cases that is what is happening.
(so if a man has sx with another man you cant say "weeell...I have the suspect that you are actually straight"...it's quiet clear that that is not the case...)
Being T (or NB, or whatever) is completely in your head...no actual physical proofs...most of the time there are no actual consequences (except some cosmetic interventions) and we are just supposed to believe a T person just because he sais so...
(so, yes, in that case the suspect that he is actually lying or just very confused is totally justified)
@@michaelhouston551 being gay is certainly "unnatural" in the sense that the "natural" (or "correct" or "long term viable") status for a binary species like the humans is to have male and females to be attracted by eachother with the target to make sx, have a offspring and perpetuate the species with future generations...
(a thing that would not happen if the vast majority of us suddenly become gay...so the human species would die)
BUT...as I said...being gay is also a factual thing, that can be physically demonstrated...if that is your factual sxual preference, be my guest and do what you like...I am nobody to tell you what you have to like or dislike...
T's are mainly ppl with a mental disorder, like anorexics...their case has very little to do with gay/lez...is not a "preference"...is an unprovable (and alterated) state of mind that makes you perceive a distorted reality...
@@michaelhouston551gender identity rights creeped in by stealth via gay rights without the knowledge of the common people.
dogmatic ideology is the equivalent of a religion
It’s like an addiction because it gives them trans euphoria. Watch this space because like drugs, the euphoria is short lived.
You are correct. I call this the new age cult religion.
Great choice of guest! Excited for this episode (just subbed too)
Thank you :)
Great interview, thank you.
The mention in points about how parents are making promises to their children and appeasing them and placating them, and allowing their children to make these life altering decisions, are the same parents who will prop up this nonsense, and this ideology, and this social contagion, because they have made false promises to their children about society. And they will point the finger at anybody else before they look at themselves and say oh my God, I’ve made the worst decision of my life where my child is concerned.
Susie Green
Helen Joyce has pointed out that these parents will fight to the bitter end to defend the irreversible choices their parents agreed to be made on their child's behalf. Because to realise would make them terminally depressed.
Gender is an adjective, not a noun. Things and actions are gendered, a person does not have a gender. A trait can be feminine or masculine (or could not be identified with them at all). A women with traits we associate more with men (possibly biologially informed) does not make them not a women. They have been told by medicine, media and the state that to 'act like a man' is to be a man. And medicine, media and the state have the answer. And that anawer just happens to give them power and money.
Exactly
Take it up with Merriam Webster
Is the Anime connection a similar phenomenon to the Femi Wolfdom guy in the 'What is a Women?' film? It seems to me they are both a complete abandonment of reality - in favour of a fantasy world (in which anything you see in fiction can become true.) The powerful force that is promoting this (in place of reality and real analysis and conversations about the world) seems rather reminiscent of the behaviour of the A.I. 'Samaritan' (trying to pacify humanity by manipulating perceptions) in the TV Drama 'Person of Interest'.
I would also posit that it is an analog to the LACK of control one has over the happenings of the real world vs the control one has over an avatar in the VR/gaming world. It's no stretch to hypothesize that people want some kind of control over their own lives, and by assuming the appearance/actions of characters in their video games over which they have complete control (and social connection as well), they no longer have to live in two separate worlds. Between bringing their virtual world to life and claiming identities that do not correlate with what the real world has to offer, control of oneself AND others is entirely possible despite the chaos happening in society with the economy and other world affairs.
I'm happy to be wrong, but it's certainly been a prevailing thought over the past several years as this issue has become more prevalent.
Anime grooming is how I ended up IN this fight. I put myself in the place of a child entering that world online. There are literally millions of adults professionally engaged in fking up child minds. Anime cartoon sweat shops with talented underpaid mostly young male cartoonists pumping out cartoon prn for mostly USA boys.... a whole new attack from The Axis.
The furries are very similar.
When I was a kid at many questions my dad would say.."I will tell you when you are older"..This of course got highly annoying but you know what...not only was he right that the answer wouldn't really have been the best knowledge to have at that point...By 18 I realized I could not actually remember any of the questions itself. I also learned how to do research. A valuable skill as is evident in not falling for "narratives' most do fall for
Male identity has not been subjected to as much scrutiny as female...especially in the last 50yrs.
In many ways the trans phenomenon can be said to be related to (descended from?) the more navel-gazing aspects of feminism.
you mean resentful narratives. all it takes is a man in the home to stand up and provide guidance
Interesting! Thanks for posting!
The comment made by the one woman on this podcast whose trans son seems to have adopted a female identity as a social statement reminded me of a statistic that I read regarding the amazingly high percentage of young "trans identifying" persons that sexually are biologically heterosexual in their activity.
The majority of trans hàve always been heterosexual males
24:45 The street protester you mention seem to have a cluster "B" personality. I would submit many institutions and organization have employees or are led by cluster "B" personalities.
I can't believe what I just heard.
At approximately the 24 minute mark, when a speaker described things in Canada, and how some 80% of the population supposedly expresses extreme concern over struggles with schoolboards, teachers, governmental controls etc., - in order that families are not under attack and that parents can reassert control over the fate of their own children...
and it was expressed that perhaps a backlash was coming in response to adverse affects possibly damaging a community of alphabet people (LGBT queer and god knows what else.)
I say are you crazy?
We need to protect children.
We need to protect families.
We need to get back on track with real education so that perhaps 80 or 90% of the "marginalized" families don't have to sacrifice their children to an educational industry meltdown that causes extreme non-education.
We need to get back on track with normativity, reality and Natural Law, and ordinary everyday decent people being able to conduct their affairs knowing that they can simply tell the truth and not be tyrannized by outright lies.
These are extreme and serious issues in any society that attempts to cater to the belief it is free and democratic.
And we're supposed to, with all this on the line, worry about a real population of less than 10% of the total? (I'm not talking about the completely artificially manufactured inflated imaginary fantasized garbage numbers we're media spoon fed.)
Again, back to the backlash causing adverse...
Do we think that the "adverse affects" on families victimized by woke garbage have not been extreme? The oppression from a tyranny many feel powerless to fight back against?
That the damage to innocent children is just something trite, lite and hardly worth worrying about?
(A gender non-conforming child is "damaged." There are 45 of them (naturally) in a school of 1200. We're going to throw the other 1155 of them under the bus, just to be fair.)
This is insanity.
anime is not so innocent. it has a lot of sexual themes and transgender/non binary characters abound.
Yeah, I think Millennials and under know this, but older generations are really really innocent about anime. Males who watch anime are consuming Hentai alongside it (plus whatever other pa /wn they watch), while females who consume anime are often reading/writing very explicit "yaoi" (explicit stories featuring 2 male characters from the anime).
Of the 2 things, the hentai is the more damaging imo. It's incredibly graphic and in almost every case is "noncon" and features violence. "Tentacle pa /wn" is a massive thing in hentai.
Parents should be aware of this. Obviously not EVERY fan of anime is doing this, but tbh if your a teenage boy into anime, it's very very likely.
Yes and most cartoons on every streaming platform does now too. This sick messaging is everywhere…even on shows like “Paw Patrol”.
You don’t understand anime
mass psychosis
exactly... especially with a missing responsible father around
I must have missed something because this interview all of a sudden switched to an interview with an American parent “Josie”who was not identified? Was that an editing error? it’s not mentioned in the description either.
It’s all madness. You are the best, Quillette!
Identity is unique to the individual. You want "trans-self-classified" maybe.
Many detrainitioners come to terms with the fact they are simply gay. If society wasn't still so homophobic, perhaps these kids would find their place and not feel the need to conform to a hetero stereotype, ie, A boy thinking, 'I feel feminine, I'm attracted to boys, I must be a girl', rather than accepting they are same sex attracted. The same principle applies to more masculine girls. Acceptance of same sex attraction would go a long way in creating a supportive environment for kids who happen to be gay not trans and who do not conform to hetero normative presentation.
Do you still live in the 1950's?
Most people don't care about being gay anymore, it's widely accepted at this point. Where I draw the line is the outrageous inappropriate behavior in that community that really needs to stop ASAP, because it's causing people like me (who never had any issues with them before) to retract my support for them.
Between the inappropriate behavior, the trans issue causing the destruction we're seeing, and the totalitarian nature of the "community" overall, I have completely turned hostile towards the entire group at this point.....
This "community" needs to stay in their own little corner and stop imposing themselves on the rest of society because they're only creating a growing resentment towards them.....
@@rclaws3230 The problem is that gay spaces are homophobic now. Everything is captured by intersectional progressives so for a normal gay person its either just stay home and try your luck finding someone who is also gay but not an activist or join them.
Most of society is either indifferent to gay people or has gone way above and beyond fetishizing them. You can't be just gay anymore thanks to far left politics.
32:51
Strawmen burn bright.
Nice one
When I was a little girl (3 y) I wanted to be a horse when I grew up, man was I disappointed when my parents explained some things to me…
People obsessing over their identity and pronouns are so boring. Please can we talk about something else?
30 minutes in and this is nothing but ad hominem. I’m trying to hear viewpoints on both sides, but this is just gross. Zero facts have been presented so far, only anecdotes, and the one woman’s son won’t even speak to her because of how she treats him. This is supposed to be a convincing argument?
Can someone present a different argument than “trans people are weird”?
What if the child doesn't even make the decision? What if "professionals" make the decision for the child?
if your kid is claiming trans. you arent parenting right. they are either missing fatherly guidance or a absent mindless mother is involved. no in betweens. accountability 100 percent on the parent... even in regard to allowing them online uninhibited for the idea to fester, or in school the same
Guess we have thousands upon thousands of really bad parents then. I pray it never happens to your family.
@@iwo612 you said it yourself. Society in general has uplifted a maternal way of parenting and degraded paternal values . The result is in front of you . You don’t need to pray when you actually do the work
This is a variation on the very naive “it only happens to bad people” argument. At this point it has happened to plenty of very engaged, involved parents with good values and good parenting instincts. They get blindsided by a trans declaration and then try to figure out what the hell happened only to realize that their kid got swept up in something despite a solid foundation. And then they have to fight for their child’s future against the state and condescending parents on both sides of the issue. What a nightmare.
Stop forcing this down the majority of people's necks. There were no trans kids once, as they hadn't heard of the concept ! Once they'd reached adulthood, they were then free to follow up on how they felt, without the ambiguity adolescence often brings. I wanted to be a boy when I was younger, but only because in my childhood, boys were allowed to get away with more than girls were & I was an out & out tomboy.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
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Remember Lord of the Flies
Cultural, default of human is male. When i was child i thought i was boy....my mom preferred my brothers of course i wanted to be a boy
The hated groomers...Ireland
It’s tragic that a humans personality has been chopped up and sold back to them.
Advertisement totally butchered this video. Too bad. Won't be listening to quilette again.
6 minutes in and they’ve already committed the fallacy of ad hominem. “It’s like a religion,” “it’s like a cult.” I was expecting something more substantial than name calling; instead, we get these “experts” “poisoning the well” from the outset. Very disappointing.
What else do you want . It’s illogical.
@@relly793 this video? Agree.
So if a kid is arrested and charged with a crime, the state is required to give written notice to the parents. That the parents might be angry or not sympathetic to the child's predicament is not an excuse for non-notification. Yet if the kid is struggling with sexual identity those same parents who must be told about criminal activity, shouldnt be told about gender identity issues?
You are missing the point. The state mandates telling parents for one thing and the opposite for the other. This is illogical.@@muadhnate