The “One-Armed” Vault | MyKayla Skinner's Cheng Evolution (2013-2021)
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2022
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MyKayla Skinner is the 2021 Olympic Vault Silver Medalist! 🥈
The Cheng is named after Chinese gymnast Cheng Fei and consists of a round-off + back handspring + layout with one and a half twists off.
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Great time for this to be recommended to me 💀
I THOUGHT THE SAME LMAO
I dont get it lolll could u explain
@@parthapatney4297 she’s in a lot of controversy right now over comments she’s made about the Olympic team 😃
@@parthapatney4297she is getting backlash for the comments made about the team chosen for paris
Being so bad at a vault that they make a deduction just for you that´s worth double a fall in insane. What's even more insane is her complaining they did it to keep her off the team/podium.
they didn't do a deduction just of her. One armed vaults always received a deduction in WAG, but in the 2013-2016 code they wanted to align WAG and MAG more and in MAG there wasn't a deduction for one armed vaults. Since no one at the time, neither in MAG or WAG, used a one arm technique, they thought they could just scratch that rule. However, they never wanted to encourage one arm vault techniques so when they saw that athletes/coaches started to develop such, they put the rule back into the code. So it's even more insane that she thinks the rule is there because of her. And to know so little about the history of your sport is just as sad
I feel like Mykayla is someone who was never supposed to compete at this high of a level but she just forced herself in through sheer force of will. And as someone who also stayed in the sport for wayyyy longer than they probably should have, I have to respect it lol
This 👌👌. I'm not a gymnast myself but seeing her NCAA vs elite is kind of a night and day difference
I love how you can hear tim getting increasingly more annoyed about her one arm over the years
I really respect that she's really worked on improving her form for this last olympic games. Not only on vault but on the other apparatus as well
That's purely the effect of college gymnastics where difficulty is not as important as execution. In college she HAD to work on hey E-score in order to win
@@lisavandolder6302 that doesn't explain her improvements on the Cheng she dropped in college
@@lisavandolder6302 yes, and she did work on her form. she put in the work, and she continued the work to maintain the form. like the original commenter, I respect her for doing that hard work. it shows the dedication and determination of a true Olympian.
her improvement was HUGE! it was so awesome to see. tbh, I was a curmudgeon about her for a long time, and I'm rather embarrassed about it. she worked for her accomplishments and I am glad we got to see her at the Olympics.
It’s almost like the horse is just a formality and she’s flinging herself over it.
“It’s a technique that she’s developed” 💀💀
🤮🤮 trash 🗑
Sometimes I like to imagine her with one Popeye arm.
@@Appaddict01 🤣🤣
@@Appaddict01 🥴😂🥴
more poor technique that has been allowed to develop.
The one arm cheng was basically her doing a moors from the springboard and sticking out a hand to touch the table
She does not get as much air time on that vault, so she barely blocks with that hand bc she is rushing to to tuck that elbow and to start twisting as fast as she can to get it around...but if she would just block correctly, she would have more air time and way more time to twist that vault around lol Everyone calls Myk a great tumbler, but I've always believed she's more of a twister, one of the fastest in elite.
That’s exactly what i was thinking too, on floor she doesn’t get much height either, but she manages to do double doubles because she just twists and flips so quickly
Everyone does NOT call her a great tumbler. Her form is horrendous. Bent knees and closed hips on everything and absolutely no style at all.
@@TheJonnylark That's a fair opinion. Her form and lack of artistry are widely contested amongst the gymternet. Between national and international competitions Myk has over 40 medals, a lot of them are gold/silver individual medals on floor and vault. So I think it's also fair to say she has always been equated with being a great tumbler.
@@Jaycee1200_ a great tumbler does difficult skills with great execution. She does difficult skills with horrible execution but the code cares way more about difficulty which is why she has won some medals.
@@TheJonnylark there are certainly problems with CoP, and the US has always leaned heavily on the difficulty > execution, but it looks like that may be changing in light of the 2020 Olympics. I certainly hope so. I appreciate you sharing your opinion, I could talk gymnastics all day lol
She really knows how to peak at the right time… in 2014 her cheng was the best it had ever been and same at 2021 olympic trials and tokyo
In 2021 it would have incurred penalties for not having both hands block the vault.
or, she got rewarded when she peaked!
2021 was the year her block improved. She still gets no lift off the table and her air position is piked, but I appreciate the improvements.
To be honest her block never improved, she just learned to keep her hand down on the table longer. Imagine what she could have done if she actually blocked properly and was able to generate height
I mean, it's kind of impressive she actually manages to do this with one arm
It’s really not, she does it because it’s easier for her to twist that way lmfao.
It’s not that impressive if you compare the height that she gets with Simone or Rebecca, her cheg it’s so poorly executed anyways
It's actually much easier because the half turn is what makes the twist out more difficult, it's an altogether different vault and should've in my opinion be downgraded to tsuk level or below (even those require way better hand placement)
I find it really impressive as well. If we consider the fact that she wouldn’t be able to do this at all without touching the vault, it means that the hand she does use is key. I find it rude when people say they’re not impressed by the things gymnasts do when they’re not perfect. It’s still superhuman!
@@givipixie why the people are criticising is that because she used the wrong technique and still got credited for a higher difficulty vault which she really didn't do. Not to mention this is extremely risky and it's gymnastics not fear factor. So while visually you might find it incredible in gymnastics certain level of objectivity needs to be there otherwise the entire scoring will fall apart. Nobody's discrediting their hard work but rather saying that improper techniques shouldn't be rewarded. Nothing wrong with that. Hopefully you get a better insight into other people's replies now.
Imagine if Mykayla's coaches had never encouraged this 1 arm 1/4 twist on shoulder nonsense since the very beginning and she had at least 7 years to perfect the front block on this vault. ……
I agree. Even now, it doesn't look like that she gets much of a block off of the table since the balance still doesn't seem to be fully distributed. Too me, this should have been corrected years and years ago.....like she should not have been allowed to compete on vault until that problem was corrected.
As much as I despise this vault of hers, she definitely improved the blocking technique as the years went on. Like it’s not good, but it’s at least two arms lol
come on at least her vaults are better than maria pasekas
@@deborahlim9497 lol that’s not saying much. Maria looked like chun-li from street fighter every time she left the table.
@@deborahlim9497 listen I'm trying to get better about judging athletes when I have literally no right to judge but oh my god why did Paseka win vault *medals* her vaults are so bad!!
AGREED.
Not really. The only reason she lands this with one arm is because of her dirty layout position. Extreme piking, low chest on landing and she never really understood what layout is with that knee bend.
I'm amazed her legs never clipped the block since she gets so little air
I admire her determination, she was doubted a lot and she proved a lot of people wrong. So happy for her.
As a gymnast there's definitely something satisfying about her changing her block technique to push into a more genuine forward salto for this vault, so I'm glad she made improvements there... that said, I feel like one could debate the idea that Skinner was essentially doing a *different* vault than a Cheng. Personally, I'm not a big fan of CoP elements that are distinguished based on twist timing (this makes for some really tough judgment calls when viewing in real time), but there's lots of precedent for this: wasn't the "Phelps" vault was rated higher than a Tsuk layout 1/2, on the basis of the earlier twist (albeit, looking back, Phelps herself really didnt twist all that early)? And I don't think there was a start value distinction, but weren't the Khorkina and Podkapayeva vaults (both yurchenko 1/2 on, piked 1/2 off) distinguished based on Khorkina's early turn and Podkapayeva's later turn?
ANYWAY JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT LOL
i mean its gotten better - it went from her fingertips barely brushing the vaulting table to her palms close to touching it
I wish she had fixed her block earlier than 2021. When she uses two hands, she gets so much more height which allows her to have a more laid out body position. It's a way better vault. Honestly, seeing her do the Cheng in 2013/2014, I had no idea that it wasn't supposed to look like that until Simone started doing that vault.
It's actually insane that she's able to vault so well using only one arm to block, mad respect.
Actually not really because she’s essentially not getting repulsion from the table, she’s basically just somersaulting over the table using the same approach as a yurchenko and barely touching it. In fact check out how once she started pushing from the table in a forward motion , she could never get as high as before and always had to pike it down. . You can see how her back arches and she struggles to block off the table.
@@mrparts Well yeah but it's also impressive to do a 2,5 twisting somersault over a vault table xD
@@SuAva you have the correct perspective, imo lol. I haven't been feeling well for the past couple of days so I've been in bed for the most part, and sometime, my lower back hurts. just from laying down. lmao
and this woman can do crazy acrobatic stuff. I'm in no real position to judge - at least not without a great deal of self aware irony lol
Her salute changed too, she used to whip her arms up and down super quick.
Thank goodness it did… it looked weird & robotic.
I agree. It was not pretty.
@@Kate-yx2rm who cares if it was pretty? it's a salute for an athletic competition, not part of a fashion show
I've always thought that her best strength as a gymnast is improvement. MyKayla has improved her skills over the years such as her block on vault, leaps on floor. It is NOT easy to admit your weakness and make it better.
Her vault improved so much in 2021. She worked so hard to break that bad habit and really use her arms.
The mechanics of that vault are just insane. I love how it looks when she does it and because I haven't watched gymnastics for a few months I'm even more blown away. What an athlete
I love how she improved a lot!!
It wasn’t a technique she developed it was a bad habit. That being said you can see a huge improvement from 2020-2021. Still not perfect, you can clearly see the weaker arm, but so much better than it was.
Tim clearly criticizes her, over and over again.
She needed it, she did her best to apply the corrections. I admire MyKayla, she has never been the best gymnast with the perfect form and flexibility. Not a natural talent in gymnastics, but an amazing athlete. She had a lot of odds against her to overcome and she did it.
@@1omarella I don’t really admire racists but you do you
@@bagelized I can give a little grace to the ignorance of a teenager. If she has continued to be this way into adulthood it’s not something I’ve seen. But if I do it would be unacceptable.
@@bagelized She clearly put work in to get better, and she did improve. It's possible to acknowledge that but still not like her as a person.
I am so happy for her improvement, not only on vault, her AA program in 2014-2015 was a little weak, but she improved a lot than in 2021, if she was selected for the 4-persons team (because she did it better in QF than Jordan ang Grace), she will help so much with her vault, floor and probably beam
People love to criticize Skinner but then ignore the other Cheng's out there that are so much worse. Hers was clearly the second best Cheng performed in the Olympic vault final. And really anyone who can successfully complete it is a great vaulter because it is so difficult.
If we were to keep true to CoP there was only 1 cheng there (Rebeca), what skinner and olsen did should not be called a cheng..
Second worst is a more accurate way to put it
@@rafaelteixeira7961 melnikova.
It’s a 2.0 pts deduction Now!
Mykayla: let me just ignore this big object in front of me
Leanne Wong had a two point deduction at trials for not blocking off both hands.
MyKayla is simply amazing. Her technique wasn't perfect and yet she still was able to keep up with Simone, Ally, etc. She worked her tail off at Utah and our course in her home gym with her return to elite. Her technique on all events improved dramatically. She got hit with illness and injury and yet was still able to return in time to be in essentially peak condition at trials and in Tokyo.
I cannot express how proud I am of her and her accomplishments in both elite and NCAA worlds. Her hit routine record will likely stand for decades. I'm thrilled she earned a medal in Tokyo. Go MyKayla!
Next let's do one for Maria. The "Star-Fish Vault"
Machine, love this Ladies work
Most of her career Mykayla treated the vault as an obstacle. Nevertheless she nailed it when it mattered most👏
I really do feel like it got better towards the end! ❤
Olympic vault silver medalist!! So happy for her definitely earned
Surprised she still had a shoulder after her first quad
This is not a Cheng. This is a Moors over an obstacle.
Just really awful, especially compared to Rebecca's.
Hahaha that’s a great way to explain it!
@@2345678902345671 what does Rebecca have to do with this?
@@andreid.8568 Rebeca Andrade also performs a Cheng. If you're bitching at my spelling my phone autocorrected.
@@2345678902345671 what are you talking about?
I don’t understand why she was bashed so heavily for her Cheng. She (or her coach) found a very fair strategy that helped tremendously with rotation. She did get both hands on the vault table every time. She just applied very little pressure on one side. The fact that her vault at worlds was DQed when she should’ve medaled is ridiculous. When Simone almost missed BOTH her hands on the board in 2019, her vault was counted
I think Mykayla Skinner was great. Her justification for her over use of the one arm was due to repetitive injury and loss of strength in her left elbow. She perfected this vault with brains and muscle memory over precise technical skill. In a lesser athlete, her injuries would have ended a career. But she fine tuned her vault and I love her unique techniques. I was so happy for her in Tokyo. It's a great example of good things happening to people who are persistent. She earned that Silver Medal with years of dedication to the US team. I also love her unique hands salute. Her fingers stretched out and so daintily bent at the wrists line a ballerina.
Something she perfected in her NCAA career. She and McKayla Maroney also I believe always had the most beautiful Leo's. 🌹🥰💖
It's her R elbow she barely touches though.
@@A.Girl.Has.No.Name. That's right(correct)
P. She plants her weak arm (the Left) and so not to overpower it and throw her rotation off forcing her to go off to the side. So she doesn't plant the right. That's what the commentator was saying about Myk adapting her routine over time. In the earlier years she was drifting off to the left line because her right was over powering her left. So she over time (naturally athletic for her) she gradually reduced the use of the right thereby compensating for her weak left. It's also why like they were saying is why she wasn't getting as much of a hight and distance because she wasn't utilizing her strongest arm. 🌹
@@donaldholderdoc2910 oooohh, OK. I see now! Thanks for explaining!
@@donaldholderdoc2910 Then why wouldnt she just use her strong arm instead of putting more pressure on an already weak arm? Seems like it would be more beneficial to her block
@@laraAl737 She tried that in her 'fine tuning's' she couldn't control the over rotation to land out of bounds. Yeah she got more hight and distance, but her overall vaults weren't pretty. So she tried the other way and perfected it. Yes, she lost elevation and distance from lack of power on her blocks, but her technique and ability to control her rotations and landings more than made up for it.
In 2014 she had so much more power, but i think she had injuries in 15’ and 16’ and she kind of didnt see a reason to improve it, im surprised she didnt injure herself doing this one armed for so many years, but she definitely peaked when it matteres, this goes to show that even if you are not the “right” fit for gymnastics which is something many biased people say about gymnasts who arent flexible or necessarily graceful, you can still go very far in the sport, its not fair, but sometimes you have to work harder than everyone else and find your strengths and make your weaknesses work in your favor.
She looks so jerky and not in control. She makes me feel alarmed. I’m not really sure how to describe it. It’s why I don’t like watching her.
It's not to discredit anything she's accomplished, but yeah, not my favorite gymnast to watch either. It's very forced feeling/looking where as other gymnasts make it look easy and she looks like she struggling to hit her vaults and FX.
I’m so glad she was able to medal in the Olympics
It’s kind of crazy how much more height she used to get when it was only with one hand.
Wow whatever happened in her training in 2020, she really corrected that piking. Very impressive
She's almost doing like a double twist after the roundoff and using the arm to block. which is not how a half-on vault should work. Her 2021 block was so much better.
She was doing a round off onto the spring board and a piked moors 💀💀
@@d00f60 Omg I always think about this whenever I see her on vault lol
My take is that in the early days that one arm technique meant she could pull into the twist much more easily. In the final years the second arm is down much more but there’s actually way more of a handspring front position on the vault itself (head out and back arch). So the power is gained differently giving more air time to twist this thing around. It’s such a mess of a vault even when done to perfection!
So unique! Love it! :)
He issue was always that she didn't get enough height to have proper form in the air. Finally in 2021 she competed with some height off the block and her form was so much straighter and better!
Girl worked so hard to get that arm down before Tokyo. 🏆
It seems she keeps that hand free because it immediately goes across her torso to put her arms in position for the air/landing.
It definitely looks like she uses both arms tho? Is she only putting pressure on one arm and then just kind of guiding with the other hand or how does that work
I never noticed they do the same routine every year.
Does anyone know what slo motion app they use for 4:32 cause it’s so smooth
It’s shot at a high frame rate (like 120fps)
Ok but the one at 1:33 was actually so good
The Skinner
Великолепные прыжки, прекрасная техника.👍
Can’t learn to properly block in 10 years yet complains how current olympians “don’t work hard enough.” Jealousy at its finest.
Why was 2014 actually alright then it goes back to normal right after?
I said in another comment that it was at its best in 2014 and everyone came for me lmao
Beautiful and lovely 😊👯♀️🤸♀️
Is this technique something bad or good? The judges like it?
It's bad. In the current Code, "support (repulsion phase) with only one hand" is a 2.00 deduction. The harshest deduction (excluding an automatic zero score)!
Marvelous MyKayla Skinner!
No one:
Tim: tHat ArM bArEly maKes ConTacT witH the HorSe
Has she ever stuck this vault cold? I just don’t think she gets the right amount of height to stick and that possums me because she doesn’t have a block.
^Possibly
Not really, her technique improved yes but nothing to write home about when we have vaulters like Jade, Simone, Andrade who are just light years ahead. Frankly she got lucky that Simone had to pull out and Jade unfortunately lost her way in the EF. In my head that silver will always have an asterisk next to it.
@@deepeshmathuria nah. Jade’s cheng is disgusting. If her vault medal has an asterisk next to it, then so does literally every other medal at tokyo because of simone pulling out.
She stuck the vault at 2021 Trials Day 1. It was her second vault and didn't get much coverage, someone should post it.
@@ojk46 thank you for saying that Jade's form is disgusting because I am always truly perplexed when folks talk about her difficulty and not her horrendous execution. She throws hard tricks and that's what most of her stuff looks like, like she's throwing her body around, yeah she can do the skills but it's not aesthetically pleasing.
She is basically just tumbling over the vault. When you compare this to other Real Chengs you see the difference
Who has competed the cheng longer than myk? i can't think of anyone else...
I know little to nothing about gymnastics and I totally thought only doing it with one hand was part of the trick 🤣
LADY BEAST OF THE FUTURE!!! 😳👍🏼💯🏆
i feel like her cheng even looked like a full twisting luconi until she fixed it
it’s almost like she’s doing the vault based of a dty, so it’s easier but still has the 0.6 increase in difficulty.
What's luconi already
@@felipebarros1572a full twist on
2021 was not one armed it was absolutely amazing
The problem with girls like her with that technique that should inhibit her, is that i then think that i too should be able to do that skill with ease.
*I have never touched a vault in my life and cannot do a cartwheel.*
I’m no gymnastic expert, but I feel she would have gotten more height if she pushed off on both hands 😂 It almost seemed like she was keeping the one hand off the horse on purpose. Great landings though.
The only thing improved was her layout form and height her block never improved
I wish she just trained how to actually block off the vault instead of faking it with two hands and rushing the twist. She would have been great with this vault.
That's pretty fuckin unique it will be named after her.. THE MKS VAULT
I use to root for Her I wanted to see Her win but im no longer a fan after She recently made those jealous comments about the New Team USA,
This might go down as one of the nastiest chengs in all of WAG. Bad block, bad twisting form, huge pike down… why they never corrected her blocking technique back in 2013 when she started competing this skill is beyond me
If she blocked with both hands (and mad props doing this off of one) and got just a little more height, she would stick it every single time.
This isn't a vault, it's a springboard and a landing mat.
This has to be called the "one armed banded"
Whatever, she’s the Olympic Silver medalist!
Why did she perform it one-armed? Did she perform it intentionally or she just lacked something to make it "normal"?
probably to start rotating off the table faster
That allows you to use more the lower-body strength (from the jump on the trampoline) rather than the upper-body strength when you put your hands on the table and block (only the latter is the correct technique of any vault).
Only way she could get it around was to start twisting on the table
She should name the vault after her
It looks like she is using both hands in most of the slow mo vids
I wonder why she why she had that one-armed technique for so long. You would think that would have been a correction that should have been happening since day 1.
Legendary
they should have counted that as a yurchenko 1/1 on 1/1 off
Cheating her way to silver
I see this more as a bad habit that never got fixed and they tried to call it something else
Lol. I love that this showed up in my suggested. The NERVE of her to say girls aren't working that hard as when she competed, when she couldn't do a proper Cheng or a decent split is laughable.
2014 and 2021 were decent
The technique is simply not there
She came a long why with that arm. I don’t understand how and why she went so long doing that… I still don’t care for her gymnastics though.
I can't carry a 20lb box of cat litter from my car to my front door without taking a break, and this woman can shove herself halfway to the moon with one arm.
I feel like her block was actually better in her first quad, looks like she got a lot more distance, not to mention her layout form in 2021 wasn’t as clean
Are you serious, her block didn't exist during that quad, it was literally the Moors off the springboard. It was hardly a vault.
@@volodymyrdolia6544 i never said it was fantastic, but like it’s clearly regressed, i think she was at her best in 2014
@@ojk46 then you meant other aspects of the vault, cause the block clearly didn't regress. It's become a thing for her at 2021.
It makes her vault so much lower
Funny how everyone is being so critical. You would think most of the people on here could do it better but her Olympic Silver medal begs to differ.
you don't have to be able to do something yourself to see what others do wrong 💁🏼♀️ there is a rule book for gymnastics for a reason and people need to stick to it and if they don't and cheat with their technique, people can point that out objectively
@@MrsFrappucchino Do those “people” know more and better than professional gymnastics judges?
She is an american Paseka...
Nah, nothing is worse than the straddled jump + 1.5
I mean.. at least Paseka had height in her vaults. Tho Mykayla has a way better form in the repulsion phase.
Now that's a little harsh.. she actually tries to keep her form
Whenever people start debating form vs technique, I always bring up Paseka and Skinner. Paseka may have god awful form, but her technique is quite good - she launches straight off, doesn't twist too early, and gets excellent repulsion, height, and distance. She just looks like a flying starfish tornado. Skinner, on the other hand, has good form and clean twisting, but her technique in the preflight is not good at all and it shows in her limited height and distance. That's why Andrade beat her in Tokyo, despite the worse landings.
This makes Paseka "better" than Skinner, because her vault is much safer overall. Skinner has had some very scary vaults over the years, while Paseka is generally okay because she actually blocks.
@JET MECH I doubt Skinner really had the potential to beat Andrade, barring serious errors from Andrade. Andrade has *such* exquisite technique and form throughout her entire vault... Simone is the only one whose Cheng is comparable. Skinner rightfully deserved the silver due her difficulty and minimal form errors, but I'm glad the judges deducted her for her block technique and lack of dynamics.
Maybe if she used both arms then she wouldn’t have to pike down???