"turns out my grandfather was more kinky than I had expected and well...yeah...apparently the magic gene somehow jumped over my father I guess since he is just a normal boring...probably dead...carpenter but I have incredible magical abilities!...apparently"
My usual GM rules it as, you have to be in a city, where you can essentially get a "magic blood test" ritual done, and he'll roll a few dice to see what ancestry you had.
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 I multiclassed into wild magic sorc once and I just explained it as my character ate some weird mushrooms that messed with magic and oops now they're a sorcerer
"I'm a Warlock now." *"You found an all powerful patron out here in the forest, and pledged your allegiance?"* "Nah. I just, sort of, claimed a portion of their powers"
The Arcane trickster takes a level in artificer: "Look, I've got expertise in arcana and more intelligence than dexterity, might as well use those wits to turn this classical fantasy world into a steampunk paradise."
@@SangoProductions213 "We hunt werewolves across sand and ice Living in a Steampunk paradise. We crashed airships once or twice. Living in a steampunk paradise"
Assassin rogue: So you know how much I like to kill? Life cleric, sighing: Yeah... Assasin rogue: Is there a god for that? Life cleric, sighing even harder: Yeah
The Wizard: So we defeated a frost giant, you ate its heart, and got… The Rogue/Druid: A deep connection to the nature gods, yeah. Giants are basically just bigger Treants anyways
Its nothing new, like 3 kobolds in a longcoat calling themselves a dragonborn, but man, some dms will just hate it because it breaks the rules of 5e at least due to them needing to be a size larger by technicality
@@BirdCyclops This is why the DMG suggests you have the Party visit a town/city and spend some downtime training to get the benefits of the "level up" if you want it to be more "realistic"
@@johngleeman8347 They get ALL Combat Proficiencies except Heavy Armour The only way to get Heavy Armour Proficiency by Multiclassing is by taking a level in any of the multiple Cleric Subclasses that grant Heavy Armour as part of the Subclass Feature, or three levels into Armourer Artificer
My first character had 3 levels in bard and then got a level in barbarian so she became... A bard-barian. She basically just buffed everyone, cast blindness on the enemy, then raged.
Kensei Monk: I would like to Bladesing, and make an unarmed strike DM: What’s your AC now? Kensei Monk: Let me see… I got AC bonuses from attunement, plus my Int… 29. DM: 29, without Shield, and you have proficiency in all saves? Kensei Monk: Yep! And I’ll also use Booming Blade as one of my Extra Attacks, then Fury of Blows for 2 more attacks. You are keeping track of this all being magical damage and Stunning Strikes, right?
@@9xkysR Really? Imagine a Monk with proficiency in all saves, 22+ AC, magical weapons and punches, the ability to cast a Cantrip during Extra Attack, and access to: Shield Absorb Elements Ashardalon’s Stride (see: Booming Blade) Blink Blur Counterspell Dispel Magic Intellect Fortress Mirror Image Protection from Energy Protection from Evil and Good Remove Curse See Invisibility Silvery Barbs Slow Shadow Blade (see: finesse, has proficiency, and Fury of Blows). Spirit Shroud (see: Fury of Blows, Sword Burst) Take War Caster with Booming Blade to punish those who get frustrated not hitting you and try to leave your area of reach, if you don’t like Ashardalon’s Stride. (War Caster means you roll with advantage on Concentration saves, in which you have proficiency and +Int). Or Sentinel so you don’t have to Stunning Strike to save your allies. The reason I gave it Kensei Monk was for a +2 AC boost. If you think any other Monk would work better, feel free to sub it in.
@@LocalMaple >monk bad damage under de baseline heavy heavy ability score dependent (dex, con, wis and int) ki points are low and stunning strike is really bad + your unarmed strike will scale poorly. AC doesnt matter against a forcecage.
@@9xkysR You may claim that monks trail in damage, but a pure Kensei Monk was the savior of our last campaign on several occasions. 1. Adult White Dragon, party level 9. That Monk didn’t land any Stunning Strikes, but he did land the finishing blow. 2. Androsphinx, party level 12. 3 members of the party, the Monk included, were making death saves before even the androphinx’s surprise round knocked the fourth of 5. I used a Cure Wounds to get the Monk up. After the second roar, he stunned it multiple times, making it unable to complete the third roar. 3. BBEG final boss, accompanied by 4 Iron Golems, against party level 15. That Monk grappled 2 of the Golems at once, protecting the Sorcerer whose Globe of Invulnerability was protecting us from BBEG. As a Monk with proficiency in all saves and an AC over 24, do you need Constitution as much? That monk I mentioned above? He was a Dwarf, and took Dwarven Fortitude so he can heal during Patient Defense. For this build in particular, you add Int to your Concentration saves. So a higher Con isn’t required. Monks, like Warlock Slots and a Fighter’s Action Surge, regain their Ki on a short rest. Want to claim they are horrible classes too? Or would you rather admit that Druids and Wizards are worse, since most of their stuff only recharge on a long rest? As for Stunning Strike, see above. If Forcecage is your only _real_ counterpoint to a Monk, let me remind you of a few things: 1. If a Monk is trapped alone in a Forcecage, then nothing can touch them either. Spending an Action to isolate a Monk without damage is a free turn for the rest of the party. Also, wouldn’t you want to trap *the strongest party member,* or are you just pulling at straws without realizing the implication of your words? 2. There are Monks that can teleport, and Wizard spells to the same effect. And with proficiency in all saves, Monks with these skills should clear the Charisma save more easily than a Wizard or Druid. 3. I already said this build has access to Counterspell. As an Int multiclass who can take Arcana skill (let’s assume proficiency 4, Int +4), you would need to roll a 9 to block the Forcecage.
Fighter, warlock, & sorcerer are the most easily explained crossovers. You’ve become very good at fighting, you’ve suddenly discovered magic within you, or you made a deal with some entity
I am playing a scout rogue and was thinking of multiclassing in cleric since our party of : Monk , Barbarian , Wizard and Rogue(me) could use some real healing not just my makeshift magic initiat feat to get a heal
As I described in another comment section, actually you don't need a god, because if you're planning on becoming a cleric the first thing you need to choose is a fitting domain, to embody your ideals and draw power from it, also it is an official statement in one of the books but it has been a long time since I read it and I don't remember which book it was.
That's why the PHB recommends that you work with your DM to integrate the multiclassing logically into your character arc. Just suddenly deciding that you have access to magic and becoming a sorcerer shouldn't be allowed.
I kind of did that with my fighter. He made a cleric friend (Light Domain - FIREBALL!) and wanted to transition to paladin. He failed the entry exam because his charisma is only 10. He still proselytizes regularly, even though he is remaining a fighter.
Only two times I’ve multi-classed: A monk-druid, explained in backstory. A Warlock-Fighter, who just started learning from the fighter in the party. Genuinely had no intention to multi-class into fighter until I started thinking it would be nice around around lvl 3
While I haven't played a ton of games, I do have 2 characters planned out as having as a multiclass, both of them justified through backstory reasoning.
I never really multiclassed, but one of the multiclasses I thought about was a Celestial Warlock/Divine Sorcerer. The idea was making an aasimar, whose patron was her Deva, guiding her on dreams and revealing her celestial bloodline.
@@EnrocaLaRoca a cool idea would be having an evil divine parent as a warlock patron, a good parent as the god they serve and having both parents dislike and disagree with each other, but they both help their kid because the only thing they can agree on is that they love them
I have a multiclass idea I find really cool, it's a kid rogue orphan who is taken in by a small church. They then start to take a level or two in cleric to reflect how their new home and found family affect them
Well one can debate that as long as a person can channel stuff from their god, they are a cleric. Thus, the relationship between cleric and god doesn’t have to involve the mainstream church and can just be personal.
When the wizard can't lift a hammer to save his life, only to kill a goblin and suddenly start swinging a hammer half his size like he's Thor. Explanation: I did like, one whole pushup last week, so now I'm a barbarian. XP
When I multiclass, I start a level or two early training and studying for the new class, and play the training. I seek out a mentor or religious site or library, as appropriate, to help explain the change. Sometimes the mentor is in the party, and sometimes it involves seeking out an NPC and spending time and money. - My DM doesn't sweat the rules about multi-classing, but I choose to roleplay it out anyway. Heck, my sorcerer in another campaign had an arcane focus but STILL sought out and carried the material components for the spells he used. Because I chose to play it that way.
@@Gab8riel Porque no tengo ganas de pasar por el traducción y parece que RUclips implementó una función de traducción en los comentarios (cosa que note hace poco).
This is why I plan my multiclasses in advance, and I don't refer to the character by their class. I attempt to build something that is fully immersed in the world. For example, you wouldn't know the difference between a fighter with the unarmed fighting style and a monk just by looking at them. You don't know if they're using strength or dex or ki or anything because you wouldn't be able to percieve those stats in character. One example I can give is a triple multiclass I had between Barbarian, Fighter, and Ranger. They were mostly Barbarian, but it didn't fit them. Because he wasn't a RanFightBarian, he was a 'Dragon slayer' because all of the options I took were specifically geared towards speaking with, tracking, hunting, surviving, and slaying any dragon he encountered. Another example is a Paladin I multiclassed into divine soul sorcerer. It was a Paladin who, through the embodiment of their oath's virtues, awakened divine blood. They were still a 'paladin of the oath of redemption', and to anyone in character who wasn't a high ranking paladin in his order they wouldn't really have known what his spell list looked like because that's all known in the meta. Other examples include letting the DM know you want to multiclass into warlock and eventually want to encounter or acquire that level in the campaign by communing with the diety, or just calling a monk rogue a ninja, a Rogue Cleric an inquisitor, etc. A 'multiclass' doesn't just need to be 'both classes' it can be an entirely new class of your own creation.
I also think there is good logic to when your multiclasses fit what you are doing equally (if not better) than what you currently have with that just being your character getting more skilled at their job (as opposed to I want to do something else as well) example my artificer, I was already the tank (via ac) so a few levels in fighter were just him getting better at that, and I don't think that going gunslinger needs any explanation, was that planned? no it wasn't. did it clash with anything he already did? nope. so there was no weird "wait you can do What now?"
"Wait, why is the old hobo Sorcerer now a Warlock?" "Well, at first it was because THE NAMELESS ONE OF UNSPEAKABLE CHAOS wanted to mentor the old fart, but then it saw what the hobo did with its power and said 'OKAY, IF I DONT LOOK AFTER YOU, YOU'RE GONNA END UP DESTROYING THE WORLD SOMEHOW. YOU *NEED* A BABYSITTER.' "
This is why when I multiclass, I fluff it as all being one gestalt class I'm a Hunter, mechanically I am taking from ranger/fighter/rogue, but I didn't go and _get a tragic backstory on the streets_ I just improved my skills as a Hunter
On one hand, cleric is a multiclass that could make a bit more sense than some since you just get powers from god, but on the other hand being a cleric is stated to take a level of experience and devotion above that of the majority of priests and religious people...
I recall a story where a guy became a letter carrier because he found a dead guy's uniform and mail bag and figured delivering the letters would be a viable way to get food.
There's a reason why older editions required you to spend downtime to level up. We're talking weeks or months. It was to obtain training, whether it was on your own, or with the aid of a professional, you were to go out and hone your skills to obtain your new abilities, and this went double with multiclassing. Now, most dms just "PING! you gain a level!"
You're thinking of prophets or priests who have to called/ sign up. You can't just walk in and say, "I work here now." Clerics are kind of the "Hippy version" of a priest.
"I'm a cleric now" "Dont you need to go through all of the pomp and ceremony as a religious follower to become one?" Forgotten realms god - "you see that person, I like them, now I will give you my holy symbol and a portion of my power as long as you follow my rules."
"Im a fully devoted religious person now." "What?" "The carnage that we have caused be it for a greater cause, has made me question our existance and concept as whole, ive asked the beyond for answers, using my pride and the blood of those slain, and have gotten eldritch answer to my prayers, be it for better or for worse... Also I now have healing spells."
I like the WFRP system in this regard because in order to advance to any class, you need to meet certain conditions such as characteristics, having the right equipment, a license, or serving in the temple for a certain time.
"is it at least trickster domain? I mean would make sense...." "no [other] domain" "but you don't believe in any of that... " "but it's powerful!" this is why I most of the time point to the sign of "multiclassing is an optional rule" on the wall...
I'm going to be multi classing a rogue/wizard with my next character. The best part, he doesn't believe magic is real, so until he does he's going to remain a level 2 wizard forever
My favorite thing is when I made a barbarian celtic priest (like the shaman of his village) who was a spiritual leader in his background because I had the intention of going barbarian/druid from the get-go and got the go ahead from my dm. It’s all about how you write it into your character
That's a great story and concept! Though the stickler in me wants to say "celtic priest" That's literally just a Druid though, isn't it? Then again, real-life Druids probably didn't call lightning and summon elemental spirits and transform into spiders all in one day... :P Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, because I really like it. I just wanted to point it out :D
"Yeah, I know the rogue spent years developing these skills of his, but like, I saw those extra damage dice he got for the sneak attack and I wanted some of that action. So after that big boss battle where we each got suddenly better at all that stuff we do, I decided being a barbarian is good and all, but what if I was also a sneaky rogue at the same time?"
if you use a rapier you can add your sneak attack to your reckless attack. Sneak attack doesn't mean that you have to use dex, only that the weapon is ranged or finesse. You can 100% use strength with finesse
'So you killed a pact of wolves and...' Rogue multiclassing into Artificer: 'Gun' 'You got a gun from their bones...' Rogue/artificer: Bones, tendons, their teeth are the bullets, just load it up with grounded up bone marrow and boom. Got yourself a 'DeBoner'. '...' Rogue/Artificer: I've spent a lot of time these past five minutes studying how to build firearms.
this is why I need my players to give me a character reason for the extra class that fits their story. like how our sorcerer mercenary can take some levels of fighter because he's gotten some training in with his buddies or our paladin who was trained by his rouge uncle (already mentioned in the backstory) might have picked up on a few of his mannerisms
I'm having flashbacks of a max monk, swashbuckler, alchemist brute that subdued the entire party when they tried to kill me. Fun memories. I think I lost friends that day.
No, because a fighter is just a title of skill just like how a blacksmith is a title of skill. A blacksmith doesn't need authority to forge or tinker with weapons because all they need are the tools. However, a cleric is basically a priest and cleric is not a title of skill, it's a title of authority, like the title of duke or warden. You need to be a cleric of SOMETHING, you can't just NAME yourself a cleric like how you can just name yourself a blacksmith if you have the tools. In short, you can teach yourself to be a fighter, because it's a title to refer to a skill. But you can't teach yourself to be a cleric, because it's an appointed title by definition.
Pertaining to this particular example; 1) it depends on the religion, 2) self epiphanies are very much possible, 3) we're typically in a psuedo-medieval setting and lots of people claimed _A LOT_ of things about themselves coming into a new town.
i like the idea that to multi class you have to go to an place in town instead on lv up, maybe even you can only level up by taking lesson in that class (tho that would make it abit tedious to have keep searching for this building just so you can level up)
I would argue that it should depend on what you already do, for example if you are already in the frontline with a melee weapon, a level in fighter wouldn't be a stretch for your character to do
It is funny how you picked one of the few examples where it actually does make sense. Since u don´t get clerical powers by the head of the church in some city but the connection to a god, which totaly can be achived by studying in said church but also can be acomplished by having a epiphany or deeper understanding of the aspec the god represents and devoting to said aspect. Which can happen after a extrem near death expierience.
I try to only multiclass into stuff that would make sense story wise e.g. my Water Genasi Monk happened upon a ring attuned to the power of his Marid father (neither are currently aware of their shared blood), so while that Jerry Springer nonsense gets sorted out, the monk is taking a few levels in Warlock.
In their defense, someone from yon higher up on the chain did come and name them a cleric. The god. They're all like : "Ayyyyyyyy... you cleric now! PEACE! OUT!"
My character was technically forced into becoming a warlock after breaking an artifact and being transported to the patrons plane, dm just threw me on there and I made the decision on the spot
My DM uses a mix of either, you need to complete certain objectives to multiclass, or certain classes you are able to Multiclass in regardless of completing certain quests. though this is on a case by case basis
In the session im in i roll investigation in every library just so i can find a book of magic so i have an excuse to become a rogue with a one level in warlock
If you don't take time to work with ur DM to craft an appropriate moment to take it multiclass, then that's on you and the DM for not thinking about that
There are three main methods of justifying taking cleric as a sub class: They were already a worshiper, and their God decide to come to them and make it official. Some thing within the story change their outlook on life and they decide to become a cleric to represent that. They don’t care about all that confusing plot bullshit, and just say “I’m a cleric now, deal with it.”
Transformers, more than meets the eye, has a character that sort of has a transition of going from rogue to cleric, and the way they did it was just kinda by making him a lil crazy, but I recommend the comic series nonetheless
this reminds me of a book series about a girl who could listen to what the world heard (like, what a street heard and such) and used it for her detective work and she ended up being like super religious to the god of death for some reason because she met him or something and it's not like Death blessed her but she became a cleric ish figure because the experience moved her and i think the moral of the story is you can become a cleric if you have a reason to you don't need to be ordained although if you start spouting heresy the other clerics might remove your kneecaps or something
Wizard : I would like to rage.
nerd rage!
So they have decided to become a Code programmer.
@@BirdCyclops no but for real how do I make my fire wiaard go rage xd
My bladesinger wizard is secretly a barbarian in a current campaign and I'm keeping it secret for as long as possible so it's a meme surprise.
@@veggiedragon1000 noice
"I just remembered that all along my father was a dragon. I just forgot to mention it in my backstory."
Coulda just said your mother was a bard.
"turns out my grandfather was more kinky than I had expected and well...yeah...apparently the magic gene somehow jumped over my father I guess since he is just a normal boring...probably dead...carpenter but I have incredible magical abilities!...apparently"
That or the pc got ass blasted by a shit ton of magic (giggidy)
My usual GM rules it as, you have to be in a city, where you can essentially get a "magic blood test" ritual done, and he'll roll a few dice to see what ancestry you had.
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 I multiclassed into wild magic sorc once and I just explained it as my character ate some weird mushrooms that messed with magic and oops now they're a sorcerer
"I'm a Warlock now."
*"You found an all powerful patron out here in the forest, and pledged your allegiance?"*
"Nah. I just, sort of, claimed a portion of their powers"
"And they allowed this?"
"No."
"Uh oh."
they bought a portion of their stocks
Patron : As long as I get more fallows what do I care.
@@orlandobritt1460
That sounds like some content creators.
@@zbubbles4126 you got that right .
You missed the obvious loophole: a god can show up personally and skip all the formalities, and make him a cleric without the paperwork.
i wouldnt know since im not a cleric :(
nepotism
He did say someone from higher up should make them a cleric. That includes the God of the religion. Who is higher rank in the religion than that.
But what if I just say I am a cleric and god have no saying in that
Sounds more like a Favored Soul than a Cleric.
The Arcane trickster takes a level in artificer: "Look, I've got expertise in arcana and more intelligence than dexterity, might as well use those wits to turn this classical fantasy world into a steampunk paradise."
That's called "being inventive off others work"
"Steampunk paradise" sounds like a rocking song.
Sounds like Corvo from Dishonored.
@@Gala-yp8nx Great man or murderous father.
@@SangoProductions213
"We hunt werewolves across sand and ice
Living in a Steampunk paradise.
We crashed airships once or twice.
Living in a steampunk paradise"
Assassin rogue: So you know how much I like to kill?
Life cleric, sighing: Yeah...
Assasin rogue: Is there a god for that?
Life cleric, sighing even harder: Yeah
"Several actually. To really narrow it down... Just how and why do you like to kill people?"
i mean there's zealot barbarian
@@SybilantSquid "quickly, for money.
@@hasanmuttaqin464 Also War, Death, Grave, and probably some other domain I'm missing
@@nykoelasmanning6643 Also Oath of Vengeance Paladin
The Wizard: So we defeated a frost giant, you ate its heart, and got…
The Rogue/Druid: A deep connection to the nature gods, yeah. Giants are basically just bigger Treants anyways
Malar would like to have a word with you.
“AND YOU ATE A LITTLE GIRL’S HEART”
@@PigBoy99 I see you there, Fool’s Gold fan
That’s actually such a funny concept. Your multiple halfling in a trench coat, each halfling in the pile have a different class.
That sounds like a GLOG class.
(GLOG stands for "Goblin Laws Of Gaming", an OSR ruleset developed by the creator of the Goblin Punch blog.)
If they're sitting on shoulders instead of standing on shoulders then it would take 3 halflings to be as tall as 1 human... Fighter/Mage/Thief anyone?
They have to switch positions based on what class abilities they want to use at different points in time though.
neverwinter nights 2 "one of many". Its an entity with multiple souls smushed together. One soul is a barbarian, one is a warlock, one is a rogue
Its nothing new, like 3 kobolds in a longcoat calling themselves a dragonborn, but man, some dms will just hate it because it breaks the rules of 5e at least due to them needing to be a size larger by technicality
"Guess who just lost their Roman citizenship?"
*Suddenly grows muscles.*
This joke is gold
This all sounds Greek to me
That took me a second lmao
Tbh I wish I understood the joke.
Imagine multiclassing into fighter and you just get all the combat knowledge instantly without any training.
oh god not to mention feats like linguist JAJAJ
I'm a wizard. But now that we beat that band of goblins, I have armor and martial weapon proficiency, and deal extra archery damage.
@@BirdCyclops This is why the DMG suggests you have the Party visit a town/city and spend some downtime training to get the benefits of the "level up" if you want it to be more "realistic"
I mean you don't get heavy armor proficiency. You do however immediately know how to use every weapon in existence. XD
@@johngleeman8347 They get ALL Combat Proficiencies except Heavy Armour
The only way to get Heavy Armour Proficiency by Multiclassing is by taking a level in any of the multiple Cleric Subclasses that grant Heavy Armour as part of the Subclass Feature, or three levels into Armourer Artificer
The moment you class into a ranger:
I suddenly hate primordials
The power if competitive racism.
Technically, someone higher on the chain DID declare them a Cleric: whatever God they worship.
Can't exactly get higher on the chain than that.
It could work depending on the god, not all religions in fantasy are quite that structured
domain patron god
**cries in worshiping a minor deity**
But mom said I could be a cleric so I am.
Makes sense since it's just 2 gnomes in a robe, maybe one of them was a cleric from the very beginning.
I wonder how many Paladins have leveled up and just “hApPeNeD” to find an evil sword nearby for Hexadin purposes
To be fair, the sword doesn't actually have to be evil. It can even be a blessed sword from their god or something.
@@coranbaker6401 Even a sword possessed by the spirit of some great champion or martyr of their god
Character concept when starting out with Multiclass: Be two small sized people in an overcoat.
Bonus points if the two are from different races.
That's just the "three dwarfs in a trenchcoat"-trope, I saw a homebrew for that that actually looked balanced and fun
My first character had 3 levels in bard and then got a level in barbarian so she became... A bard-barian. She basically just buffed everyone, cast blindness on the enemy, then raged.
You can't concentrate on a spell while raging though, so Darkness would immediatly end.
Kensei Monk: I would like to Bladesing, and make an unarmed strike
DM: What’s your AC now?
Kensei Monk: Let me see… I got AC bonuses from attunement, plus my Int… 29.
DM: 29, without Shield, and you have proficiency in all saves?
Kensei Monk: Yep! And I’ll also use Booming Blade as one of my Extra Attacks, then Fury of Blows for 2 more attacks. You are keeping track of this all being magical damage and Stunning Strikes, right?
bad multiclass
@@9xkysR Really? Imagine a Monk with proficiency in all saves, 22+ AC, magical weapons and punches, the ability to cast a Cantrip during Extra Attack, and access to:
Shield
Absorb Elements
Ashardalon’s Stride (see: Booming Blade)
Blink
Blur
Counterspell
Dispel Magic
Intellect Fortress
Mirror Image
Protection from Energy
Protection from Evil and Good
Remove Curse
See Invisibility
Silvery Barbs
Slow
Shadow Blade (see: finesse, has proficiency, and Fury of Blows).
Spirit Shroud (see: Fury of Blows, Sword Burst)
Take War Caster with Booming Blade to punish those who get frustrated not hitting you and try to leave your area of reach, if you don’t like Ashardalon’s Stride. (War Caster means you roll with advantage on Concentration saves, in which you have proficiency and +Int). Or Sentinel so you don’t have to Stunning Strike to save your allies.
The reason I gave it Kensei Monk was for a +2 AC boost. If you think any other Monk would work better, feel free to sub it in.
@@LocalMaple >monk
bad damage under de baseline
heavy heavy ability score dependent (dex, con, wis and int)
ki points are low and stunning strike is really bad + your unarmed strike will scale poorly.
AC doesnt matter against a forcecage.
@@9xkysR i shall simply be astral self
@@9xkysR You may claim that monks trail in damage, but a pure Kensei Monk was the savior of our last campaign on several occasions.
1. Adult White Dragon, party level 9. That Monk didn’t land any Stunning Strikes, but he did land the finishing blow.
2. Androsphinx, party level 12. 3 members of the party, the Monk included, were making death saves before even the androphinx’s surprise round knocked the fourth of 5. I used a Cure Wounds to get the Monk up. After the second roar, he stunned it multiple times, making it unable to complete the third roar.
3. BBEG final boss, accompanied by 4 Iron Golems, against party level 15. That Monk grappled 2 of the Golems at once, protecting the Sorcerer whose Globe of Invulnerability was protecting us from BBEG.
As a Monk with proficiency in all saves and an AC over 24, do you need Constitution as much?
That monk I mentioned above? He was a Dwarf, and took Dwarven Fortitude so he can heal during Patient Defense.
For this build in particular, you add Int to your Concentration saves. So a higher Con isn’t required.
Monks, like Warlock Slots and a Fighter’s Action Surge, regain their Ki on a short rest. Want to claim they are horrible classes too? Or would you rather admit that Druids and Wizards are worse, since most of their stuff only recharge on a long rest?
As for Stunning Strike, see above.
If Forcecage is your only _real_ counterpoint to a Monk, let me remind you of a few things:
1. If a Monk is trapped alone in a Forcecage, then nothing can touch them either. Spending an Action to isolate a Monk without damage is a free turn for the rest of the party. Also, wouldn’t you want to trap *the strongest party member,* or are you just pulling at straws without realizing the implication of your words?
2. There are Monks that can teleport, and Wizard spells to the same effect. And with proficiency in all saves, Monks with these skills should clear the Charisma save more easily than a Wizard or Druid.
3. I already said this build has access to Counterspell. As an Int multiclass who can take Arcana skill (let’s assume proficiency 4, Int +4), you would need to roll a 9 to block the Forcecage.
Fighter, warlock, & sorcerer are the most easily explained crossovers.
You’ve become very good at fighting, you’ve suddenly discovered magic within you, or you made a deal with some entity
i like the idea of a rogue stealing the wrong item and being strongarmed into doing lawful good things as a cleric.
"I stole the bible and Gabriel talked to me so now I belive in god."
I am playing a scout rogue and was thinking of multiclassing in cleric since our party of : Monk , Barbarian , Wizard and Rogue(me) could use some real healing not just my makeshift magic initiat feat to get a heal
There are many other classes for healing and also nice feats for said purpose.
Just start mixing potions.
I'm sure your party will have no problem trusting the rogue not to poison them with the off brand health potions.
Herbalism kit + healer feat. This combination makes wonders
As I described in another comment section, actually you don't need a god, because if you're planning on becoming a cleric the first thing you need to choose is a fitting domain, to embody your ideals and draw power from it, also it is an official statement in one of the books but it has been a long time since I read it and I don't remember which book it was.
@@mechaslayer6648 I think it was the PHB on the pantheons apendix
In the end, being a D&D cleric is between that character and their god. The curch structure is just a intermediary.
This is literally my current character's backstory. One day he just suddenly was a cleric, and he doesn't understand why or how.
I'm a warlock that sold my mother's soul to the darkest pits of the underworld for hellish powers. I also play the banjo at taverns.
I mean... God is quite high in the hierarchy. If they grant some dude in the forest powers then they can call themselves a cleric.
That's why the PHB recommends that you work with your DM to integrate the multiclassing logically into your character arc. Just suddenly deciding that you have access to magic and becoming a sorcerer shouldn't be allowed.
I kind of did that with my fighter. He made a cleric friend (Light Domain - FIREBALL!) and wanted to transition to paladin.
He failed the entry exam because his charisma is only 10.
He still proselytizes regularly, even though he is remaining a fighter.
Wait how am I supposed to do wizard then
Can’t beat that logic at the end
Only two times I’ve multi-classed:
A monk-druid, explained in backstory.
A Warlock-Fighter, who just started learning from the fighter in the party. Genuinely had no intention to multi-class into fighter until I started thinking it would be nice around around lvl 3
While I haven't played a ton of games, I do have 2 characters planned out as having as a multiclass, both of them justified through backstory reasoning.
I never really multiclassed, but one of the multiclasses I thought about was a Celestial Warlock/Divine Sorcerer. The idea was making an aasimar, whose patron was her Deva, guiding her on dreams and revealing her celestial bloodline.
@@EnrocaLaRoca a cool idea would be having an evil divine parent as a warlock patron, a good parent as the god they serve and having both parents dislike and disagree with each other, but they both help their kid because the only thing they can agree on is that they love them
I have a multiclass idea I find really cool, it's a kid rogue orphan who is taken in by a small church. They then start to take a level or two in cleric to reflect how their new home and found family affect them
@@EnrocaLaRoca Thats a really cool idea.
Well one can debate that as long as a person can channel stuff from their god, they are a cleric. Thus, the relationship between cleric and god doesn’t have to involve the mainstream church and can just be personal.
When the wizard can't lift a hammer to save his life, only to kill a goblin and suddenly start swinging a hammer half his size like he's Thor.
Explanation: I did like, one whole pushup last week, so now I'm a barbarian. XP
To be fair you need a 13 Strength to officially multiclass unless DM allows it.
So a minimum of two pushups should do the trick!
When I multiclass, I start a level or two early training and studying for the new class, and play the training.
I seek out a mentor or religious site or library, as appropriate, to help explain the change.
Sometimes the mentor is in the party, and sometimes it involves seeking out an NPC and spending time and money.
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My DM doesn't sweat the rules about multi-classing, but I choose to roleplay it out anyway.
Heck, my sorcerer in another campaign had an arcane focus but STILL sought out and carried the material components for the spells he used. Because I chose to play it that way.
Muy admirable, usted tiene mi respeto.
Me gusta que la gente se comprometa con interpretar a sus personajes.
@@azayaell por que responder en español para un comentario en inglés?
@@Gab8riel
Porque no tengo ganas de pasar por el traducción y parece que RUclips implementó una función de traducción en los comentarios (cosa que note hace poco).
Fighter wizard sorcerer: magic missile, hasten magic missile, action surge, magic missile, hasten magic missile.
This is why I plan my multiclasses in advance, and I don't refer to the character by their class. I attempt to build something that is fully immersed in the world. For example, you wouldn't know the difference between a fighter with the unarmed fighting style and a monk just by looking at them. You don't know if they're using strength or dex or ki or anything because you wouldn't be able to percieve those stats in character.
One example I can give is a triple multiclass I had between Barbarian, Fighter, and Ranger. They were mostly Barbarian, but it didn't fit them. Because he wasn't a RanFightBarian, he was a 'Dragon slayer' because all of the options I took were specifically geared towards speaking with, tracking, hunting, surviving, and slaying any dragon he encountered.
Another example is a Paladin I multiclassed into divine soul sorcerer. It was a Paladin who, through the embodiment of their oath's virtues, awakened divine blood. They were still a 'paladin of the oath of redemption', and to anyone in character who wasn't a high ranking paladin in his order they wouldn't really have known what his spell list looked like because that's all known in the meta.
Other examples include letting the DM know you want to multiclass into warlock and eventually want to encounter or acquire that level in the campaign by communing with the diety, or just calling a monk rogue a ninja, a Rogue Cleric an inquisitor, etc. A 'multiclass' doesn't just need to be 'both classes' it can be an entirely new class of your own creation.
I also think there is good logic to when your multiclasses fit what you are doing equally (if not better) than what you currently have with that just being your character getting more skilled at their job (as opposed to I want to do something else as well) example my artificer, I was already the tank (via ac) so a few levels in fighter were just him getting better at that, and I don't think that going gunslinger needs any explanation, was that planned? no it wasn't. did it clash with anything he already did? nope. so there was no weird "wait you can do What now?"
"Wait, why is the old hobo Sorcerer now a Warlock?"
"Well, at first it was because THE NAMELESS ONE OF UNSPEAKABLE CHAOS wanted to mentor the old fart, but then it saw what the hobo did with its power and said 'OKAY, IF I DONT LOOK AFTER YOU, YOU'RE GONNA END UP DESTROYING THE WORLD SOMEHOW. YOU *NEED* A BABYSITTER.' "
This is why when I multiclass, I fluff it as all being one gestalt class
I'm a Hunter, mechanically I am taking from ranger/fighter/rogue, but I didn't go and _get a tragic backstory on the streets_ I just improved my skills as a Hunter
"Don't you need to contact an official to be a cleric?"
*Martin Luther would like to know your location*
On one hand, cleric is a multiclass that could make a bit more sense than some since you just get powers from god, but on the other hand being a cleric is stated to take a level of experience and devotion above that of the majority of priests and religious people...
One level exactly
To be fair, anyone could become a priest irl, long as people believed they were
I recall a story where a guy became a letter carrier because he found a dead guy's uniform and mail bag and figured delivering the letters would be a viable way to get food.
@@MonkeyJedi99 oh yeah, The Postman right?
@@paulcruz168 Yes indeed! The movie with Tom Petty.
"huh, I mean, you would know better, (since) you are a cleric."
*Circular* *reasoning* *loop* *detected*
There's a reason why older editions required you to spend downtime to level up. We're talking weeks or months. It was to obtain training, whether it was on your own, or with the aid of a professional, you were to go out and hone your skills to obtain your new abilities, and this went double with multiclassing.
Now, most dms just "PING! you gain a level!"
which is pretty funny with some artificer levels "huh my armor is now *power armor* when did that happen"
Well, in truth, you don't have to be a cleric to be a Cleric.
My oc: *takes a five minute hike* huh, I guess I'm a druid now
You're thinking of prophets or priests who have to called/ sign up. You can't just walk in and say, "I work here now."
Clerics are kind of the "Hippy version" of a priest.
“Yay! I know him. He’s a friend from work.”
“I need your help.”
"I'm a cleric now"
"Dont you need to go through all of the pomp and ceremony as a religious follower to become one?"
Forgotten realms god - "you see that person, I like them, now I will give you my holy symbol and a portion of my power as long as you follow my rules."
That's literally how my fighter/cleric multiclass went lol
Wizard: hey fighter, I've seen you swing that sword enough that I think I'm ready to wear platemail
"I mean you are a cleric, you'd know better"
"Im a fully devoted religious person now."
"What?"
"The carnage that we have caused be it for a greater cause, has made me question our existance and concept as whole, ive asked the beyond for answers, using my pride and the blood of those slain, and have gotten eldritch answer to my prayers, be it for better or for worse... Also I now have healing spells."
This is why is so great to multiclass into a Warlock or Paladin… or Warladin.
I like the WFRP system in this regard because in order to advance to any class, you need to meet certain conditions such as characteristics, having the right equipment, a license, or serving in the temple for a certain time.
Our Monk multiclassed into Cleric and this was justified in-universe by his devotion to The Way.
"is it at least trickster domain? I mean would make sense...."
"no [other] domain"
"but you don't believe in any of that... "
"but it's powerful!"
this is why I most of the time point to the sign of "multiclassing is an optional rule" on the wall...
Adding one level of monk to any class so you're never truly disarmed.
Fighter multiclassing into Rogue: ive decided to aim directly for their kidneys from now own
I'm going to be multi classing a rogue/wizard with my next character. The best part, he doesn't believe magic is real, so until he does he's going to remain a level 2 wizard forever
It’s called retrofitting your back story with a period of training.
My favorite thing is when I made a barbarian celtic priest (like the shaman of his village) who was a spiritual leader in his background because I had the intention of going barbarian/druid from the get-go and got the go ahead from my dm. It’s all about how you write it into your character
That's a great story and concept! Though the stickler in me wants to say "celtic priest" That's literally just a Druid though, isn't it?
Then again, real-life Druids probably didn't call lightning and summon elemental spirits and transform into spiders all in one day... :P
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, because I really like it. I just wanted to point it out :D
Don't worry, I only have my current character planned out as a Life Cleric/Necromancer Dual Class.
Wizard/Fighter: I've decided that I shall now know how to swing this stick with lethal force in 400 different ways without prior training.
My party when we get back to a session and the warlock suddenly has a paladin oath
Honestly, this could be a good source of side quests. Having to get the approval of the local church so that they can officially name you a cleric.
One time my friend decided he hated goblins enough to be a ranger
It literally happened one hour ago in my party. But ALSO that PC believes only in one god... Not the one he became a cleric of
"Yeah, I know the rogue spent years developing these skills of his, but like, I saw those extra damage dice he got for the sneak attack and I wanted some of that action. So after that big boss battle where we each got suddenly better at all that stuff we do, I decided being a barbarian is good and all, but what if I was also a sneaky rogue at the same time?"
and behind his ear igor hear an ominious whisper "i rage"
if you use a rapier you can add your sneak attack to your reckless attack. Sneak attack doesn't mean that you have to use dex, only that the weapon is ranged or finesse. You can 100% use strength with finesse
LMAO, that's the image of Prambanan Temple from Indonesia
'So you killed a pact of wolves and...'
Rogue multiclassing into Artificer: 'Gun'
'You got a gun from their bones...'
Rogue/artificer: Bones, tendons, their teeth are the bullets, just load it up with grounded up bone marrow and boom. Got yourself a 'DeBoner'.
'...'
Rogue/Artificer: I've spent a lot of time these past five minutes studying how to build firearms.
Take it from the cleric, he knows what he's talking about.
this is why I need my players to give me a character reason for the extra class that fits their story. like how our sorcerer mercenary can take some levels of fighter because he's gotten some training in with his buddies or our paladin who was trained by his rouge uncle (already mentioned in the backstory) might have picked up on a few of his mannerisms
Look, I read a book about swords, I'm a expert now
I'm having flashbacks of a max monk, swashbuckler, alchemist brute that subdued the entire party when they tried to kill me. Fun memories. I think I lost friends that day.
"Good news guys, i found satan in a bush and he gave me cool powers"
If someone has to go down and name you a cleric, then someone has to come down and teach you to be a fighter and such.
No, because a fighter is just a title of skill just like how a blacksmith is a title of skill. A blacksmith doesn't need authority to forge or tinker with weapons because all they need are the tools.
However, a cleric is basically a priest and cleric is not a title of skill, it's a title of authority, like the title of duke or warden. You need to be a cleric of SOMETHING, you can't just NAME yourself a cleric like how you can just name yourself a blacksmith if you have the tools.
In short, you can teach yourself to be a fighter, because it's a title to refer to a skill. But you can't teach yourself to be a cleric, because it's an appointed title by definition.
Huh, looks like Shmebulock has a new gig. Good on him.
"No man, I'm pals with Jesus."
Satan, to vengeance paladin, in the middle of an abandoned castle: soooooooo would you like to be able to smite twice in 1 attack?
the god he is now serving can make him a cleric in the middle of the forest for sure
so no plot holes there
Pertaining to this particular example; 1) it depends on the religion, 2) self epiphanies are very much possible, 3) we're typically in a psuedo-medieval setting and lots of people claimed _A LOT_ of things about themselves coming into a new town.
i like the idea that to multi class you have to go to an place in town instead on lv up, maybe even you can only level up by taking lesson in that class (tho that would make it abit tedious to have keep searching for this building just so you can level up)
it could be like in "the bard's tale" series where you have to go to a review board to get legal aprovement
I would argue that it should depend on what you already do, for example if you are already in the frontline with a melee weapon, a level in fighter wouldn't be a stretch for your character to do
Oh man the punch line really got me! Good stuff!
look you want these heals or not!
*?!
Level 1: I have all this power given to me by my draconic bloodline
Level 2: well, I gave up my blood to make a pact with the Raven Queen.
It is funny how you picked one of the few examples where it actually does make sense. Since u don´t get clerical powers by the head of the church in some city but the connection to a god, which totaly can be achived by studying in said church but also can be acomplished by having a epiphany or deeper understanding of the aspec the god represents and devoting to said aspect. Which can happen after a extrem near death expierience.
I try to only multiclass into stuff that would make sense story wise e.g. my Water Genasi Monk happened upon a ring attuned to the power of his Marid father (neither are currently aware of their shared blood), so while that Jerry Springer nonsense gets sorted out, the monk is taking a few levels in Warlock.
In their defense, someone from yon higher up on the chain did come and name them a cleric.
The god. They're all like : "Ayyyyyyyy... you cleric now! PEACE! OUT!"
My character was technically forced into becoming a warlock after breaking an artifact and being transported to the patrons plane, dm just threw me on there and I made the decision on the spot
My DM uses a mix of either, you need to complete certain objectives to multiclass, or certain classes you are able to Multiclass in regardless of completing certain quests. though this is on a case by case basis
New Cleric: I saw so much shit, I just found god
In the session im in i roll investigation in every library just so i can find a book of magic so i have an excuse to become a rogue with a one level in warlock
You suddenly hear a voice no one else can hear, and they say in a deep, powerful voice: "Hey kid, want to sit down and talk religion?"
I killed a goblin and now my book has new spells
Leveling up in general is weird
Back in the good old days, leveling up took a like a week of downtime and you were assumed to be training under someone as you did it.
This is why, I require a teacher of some sort to multiclass
"Philosophyc Cleric"
If you don't take time to work with ur DM to craft an appropriate moment to take it multiclass, then that's on you and the DM for not thinking about that
There are three main methods of justifying taking cleric as a sub class:
They were already a worshiper, and their God decide to come to them and make it official.
Some thing within the story change their outlook on life and they decide to become a cleric to represent that.
They don’t care about all that confusing plot bullshit, and just say “I’m a cleric now, deal with it.”
Transformers, more than meets the eye, has a character that sort of has a transition of going from rogue to cleric, and the way they did it was just kinda by making him a lil crazy, but I recommend the comic series nonetheless
this reminds me of a book series about a girl who could listen to what the world heard (like, what a street heard and such) and used it for her detective work and she ended up being like super religious to the god of death for some reason because she met him or something and it's not like Death blessed her but she became a cleric ish figure because the experience moved her and i think the moral of the story is you can become a cleric if you have a reason to you don't need to be ordained although if you start spouting heresy the other clerics might remove your kneecaps or something
_My Paladin taking a Level in Barbarian:_ *DEUS VULT*
Basically every MMORPG & RPG game.
Cause you can be a multiple traits in most games even Fo1.
My god just said it's all was cool. I ain't gonna contradict 'em.