I'm loving the unbridled half-assery of this project, Paul. You and Charles are the Clooney and Pitt of the VAG world. More power to you both...literally. :-)
AWESOME! You guys didn't check what the ACTUAL fuel pressure was with a reliable fuel pressure gauge, did you. I have about 40 years of experience with nitrous and can't emphasize enough that you have to be accurate with what the fuel pressure gauge says to correctly know how big a nitrous jet to use. Also, you weren't usuing a nitrous tune which is boost referenced.... You were supposed to pull out a lot of timing under boost! Andrade was spot on about cylinder pressures too with a turbo on nitrous! The cylinder heat was so much that it closed the ring gap and destroyed the ring lands and in turn, the piston, then the rod. I know this is 2 years old, but GREAT VIDEO!
Knock back the timing 3 degrees. Don't take the fuel from the rail, likely causes a pressure drop and lean condition. Don't use nitrous on a RR. Tyres can't break loose so puts extra stress on everything. Awesome video! New engine time!
I was running nitrous and turbo back in the 90s when people said it wasn't possible to do. Everyone said I was crazy, now look most everybody puts nitrous on forced induction. Most vehicles can't handle both in stock form. I was running on a second gen eclipse 4g63 head studs and stage 2 cams. Tuning was done by me cuz nobody wanted to touch a turbo and nitrous car at that time. I put 200k on that car racing it and sold it with the og motor still running like a champ. Now days cars are made of cheap metals and plastic engine parts
This was awesome! Y’all’s faces when the engine let go…priceless! Loved it when Paul says “probably should have called the expert first, but as formerly mentioned, I make horrible life choices.” Lol.
The guy on the phone has the right answer. The extra heat expands the rings, shortening the gap. If the gap closes and still more heat is added, the expansion has to go somewhere and will flake off the piston edge upwards. BOOM. Also using a progressive controller so you're only doing max flow at your peak power RPM is beneficial. That 100 shot at 5000 RPM is 40% more stress, but down at 32000 RPM it was 100% more stress.
There was a really nasty MK2 GTI that ran a 12V VR6 with nitrous and I'm pretty sure it was running 11s, but that was a long, long time ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy. It was a mint-green colored GTI. I want to say that it was spraying a 150 wet shot?
Today I wached your video and was laughing more than I should, I mean, I,m sorry that you blow you engine but the way you two handled it and your honest suprise when engine parts went "external" is great.. Last couple weeks I'm working really hard to finish up my buissnes in garage so I can go on vacation and I'm tired and depressed, but not today, you made my day thank you for that!!
Nice work boys . Very informative, the compounding effects NO2 along side forced induction .The multiplier effect . As they say less is more. Great R and D and cheap lessons for the viewer. Keep up the good work.
Great video! I have a few theories on why it blew up. I was trying to tell you by yelling at the screen, but you didn’t hear me. The number 1 issue with your wet nitrous setup is that intake manifold is designed to flow dry air. The back 2 pistons was getting all the fuel, while the rest of the intake track was dry these you had an extremely lean situation in the front pistons. If you ran on O2 sensor in each header tube, you would see it immediately.
Aww, poor TFSI engine. Having owned 1 and worked on 2 of them, I know they were great (despite their flaws), but they haven't aged well. I would have been reluctant to try to go too much past 300 whp on a TFSI with that many miles on it. ..."should have talked to the expert first"... Measure once, cut twice? 🙃 It's always a good time seeing you and Charles work together on a project.
Man…really wanted to see that GLI race. Especially with the F&F graphics on it. When I watched Charles’ video earlier this morning, all I kept hearing in my head was Han Solo saying, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.” Fun to watch, though. Not sure I’ve ever witnessed such rapid destruction of an engine.
I dont know how i missed this video but that was some of the best carnage i have ever seen. LOL. Never seen that many part numbers flying around all at once.
I just assumed the rods gave out from the sudden onset of torque. Looks like a large section of a rod beam shot out of the engine when it blew. lol. But what John Andrade said totally makes sense. I think I'm anticipating the complete teardown and forensic analysis of the engine as much as I am the drag race.
Nitrous can be a very safe power adder. It’s when you get inexperienced folks who have never actually tuned ignition and fueling maps with knock sensor and wideband O2 sensors who give it a bad wrap. I ran a very progressive 100 shot on an AEM infinity stand-alone ECU with knock sensors and wideband O2 on a VQ35 for two years before I sold the car with no issues. Granted I developed the nitrous map to ramp up solenoid PWM with increasing rpm and MAP, with active ignition retard for knock, using larger injectors and dry injection.
Unfortunately we have a strict budget for this drag build otherwise we would have taken better precautions. This bottom end really should have gotten Rods to run nos
well, I learned the difference between a wet shot and dry shot today at least. I don't expect anyone was actually surprised at the outcome of this, I assume y'all have a built motor you were planning to drop in there already?
Engine masters has a great video on NOS. Though I thought the same thing boosted & NOS compounds as jet charts are based on NA and probably closed ring gap.
I just finished to watch both videos and the aftermath of that engine was hilarious, nevertheless you guys are professionals and I'm anxious to see how will end this drag race challenge, best of luck
I actually put a ZeX kit in my 09 Scion TC. I use a .018 nozzle . I make 250 Dyno'd. I'm happy with it. Never purge into the engine, unless it's at 4k rpm. Keep it floored when you hit it .Don't hit until 3800rpm. Don't let it touch red line, and you'll be fine. Stay under 100shot for stock internals. And don't huff this crap, seems like that needs to be said these days. Sulfer Dioxide is deadly. And again, don't purge a motor, that's not running.
I have a 12” vw passat 2.5 With 50 shoot wet , works great.. all internals stock 90k miles originals( no tune ) We decided to do it just out of fun and it works very well .. of course we need to tune it, and if in the future I want to put more nitro to prepare the engine internally
There were so many things Wrong in this video. LOL Are Honda 2.4l k24a8 engine with my Custom turbo for Woodburn Drag strip in Oregon, with a Wet NOS 50hp shot build in 2014 still running this summer August 2024. Man that let go fast like a un-prepped Honda B16. John was right on everything he said. LOL
So you do realize turbo is driven off the exhaust.. NOS. Made your exhaust flow and pressure skyrocket. Had you been watching boost you would have seen it Instantly max out as fast as you pushed the button. . I know this from my own trial and error. 1 liter geo turbo with Nos and turbo put out 421 hp. For years.... after I blew the 1st 1 into many pieces like you did.
Did you monitor AFR during your runs? Stealing all that fuel from your primary system that if you were still on a stock low pressure pump might have been on running out already could definitely have been what started your problems.
What you need is a BMW with an M30 in it. Those things have magnificent bottom ends that can pull 500+hp with head studs and stock internals. Forged parts do a lot for a motor!
There isn't any air in the lines if there is you have another problem. What is in the lines is gaseous nitrous oxide as heat turns the liquid into gaseous state a purge pushes that out so there is pure liquid nitrous oxide at the solenoid the instant you start to spray . Its simply thete to eliminate performance delay...air 😅
Nitrous is no worse on an engine than a turbo or supercharger. The problem is you have the turbo making 100hp over stock and nitrous making 100hp over stock. This car made 200 and something hp at the wheels stock. You’ve essentially doubled the power of the engine.you’re better off lowering the boost to stock or below then spraying 200 shot. A car that can handle boost stock like a 5.7 hemi that everyone supercharges, can handle nitrous instead of a blower and is probably less abusive than supercharging since it’s not boosted all the time, probably nowhere near it. Just another video giving nitrous an undeserved bad reputation.
I’m so glad I found this comment bc i literally was asking this exact question. So using a supercharger and turbo would give the exact same wear to the engine and nitrous and tuning it right? I have a 5.7 pursuit with no cats fully straight piped CAI and tune. And I really want it to have more power but idk if the 5speed can handle it. Also i was winding my 5.7 can handle nitrous with its stock internals right? And my plan is to get headers, intake Manifold, throttle body do you think I need to add any more bolt ons for supporting the nitrous ? Apologize for all the questions… Thanks
And yes add catastrophic engine failure what happened in my 383 stroker it was a 250 shot it it blew right at the finish line and a car end up running a 10.7 add little over 138mph
i feel like you should do another youtube channel called " nothing but NOS' where you put NOS into various shitboxes to see what happens, start with like a Yugo or something. id watch that all day long lol
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Are we MK5 kids now?
As a result I started vaping.... #vapenation
@@Deutscheautoparts 😂😂😂😂 you guys are 👌🏼
@@Deutscheautoparts guys don't do me like that :(
Not any more. ;)
@@Deutscheautoparts vaping nitrous?
“Those were historically called internals, now they’re externals” 💀
Yes it will; once
MAKE A JDM VS. EURO T-SHIRT AND THEN GIVE AWAY A SMALL CHUNK OF INTERNALS WITH EACH PURCHASE! LOL
You mean a small chunk of externals :)
I'm loving the unbridled half-assery of this project, Paul. You and Charles are the Clooney and Pitt of the VAG world. More power to you both...literally. :-)
This is got to be the funnies video of DAP and Charles
Famous last words: “I have a lot of faith in European bottom ends on European engines.” BOOM!
ahahhahahaha
AWESOME! You guys didn't check what the ACTUAL fuel pressure was with a reliable fuel pressure gauge, did you. I have about 40 years of experience with nitrous and can't emphasize enough that you have to be accurate with what the fuel pressure gauge says to correctly know how big a nitrous jet to use. Also, you weren't usuing a nitrous tune which is boost referenced.... You were supposed to pull out a lot of timing under boost! Andrade was spot on about cylinder pressures too with a turbo on nitrous! The cylinder heat was so much that it closed the ring gap and destroyed the ring lands and in turn, the piston, then the rod. I know this is 2 years old, but GREAT VIDEO!
Knock back the timing 3 degrees. Don't take the fuel from the rail, likely causes a pressure drop and lean condition.
Don't use nitrous on a RR. Tyres can't break loose so puts extra stress on everything.
Awesome video! New engine time!
💯 agreed with you!
I was running nitrous and turbo back in the 90s when people said it wasn't possible to do. Everyone said I was crazy, now look most everybody puts nitrous on forced induction. Most vehicles can't handle both in stock form. I was running on a second gen eclipse 4g63 head studs and stage 2 cams. Tuning was done by me cuz nobody wanted to touch a turbo and nitrous car at that time. I put 200k on that car racing it and sold it with the og motor still running like a champ. Now days cars are made of cheap metals and plastic engine parts
Works as well as it did on Hoovies’ fast and furious Prius!!!
This was awesome! Y’all’s faces when the engine let go…priceless! Loved it when Paul says “probably should have called the expert first, but as formerly mentioned, I make horrible life choices.” Lol.
Right up until the dyno part I was all set to buy the kit for my gti omg I was not expecting that
Do it and I'll show you how to do it right. Just ask me, I've had nitrous on all my turbo cars.
The guy on the phone has the right answer. The extra heat expands the rings, shortening the gap. If the gap closes and still more heat is added, the expansion has to go somewhere and will flake off the piston edge upwards. BOOM. Also using a progressive controller so you're only doing max flow at your peak power RPM is beneficial. That 100 shot at 5000 RPM is 40% more stress, but down at 32000 RPM it was 100% more stress.
How hard can it be.
Expert: this is a bad idea.
Paul and Charles: POWER
Hmmm, a VR6 Scirocco might benefit from a nitrous system, just sayin.
There was a really nasty MK2 GTI that ran a 12V VR6 with nitrous and I'm pretty sure it was running 11s, but that was a long, long time ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy. It was a mint-green colored GTI. I want to say that it was spraying a 150 wet shot?
This is becoming "The Bad Idea" channel? I never even thought of nitrous on a VW, and I'll probably just enjoy your self-inflicted struggles!
One of the potential video titles was “We installed Nitrous so you don’t have to”
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Today I wached your video and was laughing more than I should, I mean, I,m sorry that you blow you engine but the way you two handled it and your honest suprise when engine parts went "external" is great.. Last couple weeks I'm working really hard to finish up my buissnes in garage so I can go on vacation and I'm tired and depressed, but not today, you made my day thank you for that!!
Paul, your sense of humor is second to none
Nice work boys . Very informative, the compounding effects NO2 along side forced induction .The multiplier effect .
As they say less is more. Great R and D and cheap lessons for the viewer.
Keep up the good work.
Great video! I have a few theories on why it blew up. I was trying to tell you by yelling at the screen, but you didn’t hear me. The number 1 issue with your wet nitrous setup is that intake manifold is designed to flow dry air. The back 2 pistons was getting all the fuel, while the rest of the intake track was dry these you had an extremely lean situation in the front pistons. If you ran on O2 sensor in each header tube, you would see it immediately.
“Amateurs don’t use nitrous oxide, you’ll blow yourself to pieces.”
You were both extremely calm during the unplanned dismantling...
It's great to see you able to create more content. Especially an explosive episode. Keep up the amazing work and bringing the laughs
This car was nice :( I think it deserves another life.
That reminded me of the first (and only time) Hoovie hit the nitrous on his Prius. Fantastic
What happens now with the budget and challenge? I had a good feeling about the mk5 too damn
theyre grabbing a B8 audi with a boosted v6 and dsg quattro, and they got the budget reset. but only 5 days to make the bad trans'd audi run
Check out Charles video he covered that there. ruclips.net/video/CR13rFAD6MM/видео.html
On the bright side you did make lots of power for a very brief moment. The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..
Aww, poor TFSI engine. Having owned 1 and worked on 2 of them, I know they were great (despite their flaws), but they haven't aged well. I would have been reluctant to try to go too much past 300 whp on a TFSI with that many miles on it.
..."should have talked to the expert first"... Measure once, cut twice? 🙃
It's always a good time seeing you and Charles work together on a project.
Man…really wanted to see that GLI race. Especially with the F&F graphics on it. When I watched Charles’ video earlier this morning, all I kept hearing in my head was Han Solo saying, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
Fun to watch, though. Not sure I’ve ever witnessed such rapid destruction of an engine.
I dont know how i missed this video but that was some of the best carnage i have ever seen. LOL. Never seen that many part numbers flying around all at once.
This was so much fun to watch! Thank you both for the video!
I just assumed the rods gave out from the sudden onset of torque. Looks like a large section of a rod beam shot out of the engine when it blew. lol. But what John Andrade said totally makes sense. I think I'm anticipating the complete teardown and forensic analysis of the engine as much as I am the drag race.
My guess is rod as well
If the rod broke then why is the piston broken in half also or did they break at the same time?
Wow that let go quick, that was just an engine self-destruct button.
I died with the ejecto floor panel🤣😂
Awesome video! Thanks for putting it together. I love the comments about how the internals are now externals! :)
Nitrous can be a very safe power adder. It’s when you get inexperienced folks who have never actually tuned ignition and fueling maps with knock sensor and wideband O2 sensors who give it a bad wrap.
I ran a very progressive 100 shot on an AEM infinity stand-alone ECU with knock sensors and wideband O2 on a VQ35 for two years before I sold the car with no issues. Granted I developed the nitrous map to ramp up solenoid PWM with increasing rpm and MAP, with active ignition retard for knock, using larger injectors and dry injection.
Unfortunately we have a strict budget for this drag build otherwise we would have taken better precautions. This bottom end really should have gotten Rods to run nos
well, I learned the difference between a wet shot and dry shot today at least. I don't expect anyone was actually surprised at the outcome of this, I assume y'all have a built motor you were planning to drop in there already?
Engine masters has a great video on NOS. Though I thought the same thing boosted & NOS compounds as jet charts are based on NA and probably closed ring gap.
We need a nitrous redemption video
Ian was right! Always trust the tuner!
There is a guy that says Make questinable choices, you guys just practice the concept. Awesome episode 👍
Bad choice gang
Glad you went for it. Amazing numbers on the final pull
God the comments section on this series is nothing but gold. With that said, would love to see you guys try it the not-half-assed way
Paul and charles collabs are truly elite
Really? Can I jump into this contest, JDM vs Euro vs American Sport Compact? I got a Cobalt SS that will whoop both your butts.
That certainly made my evening, thank you for that!
Loved the video guys, cracked me up! You dudes are funny,informative and entertaining
So seeing that the mk5 is dead put the nitrous kit on the vr6 scirocco!!!!
I just finished to watch both videos and the aftermath of that engine was hilarious, nevertheless you guys are professionals and I'm anxious to see how will end this drag race challenge, best of luck
Ok I was not expecting the entire bottom end to explode. WOW.
I actually put a ZeX kit in my 09 Scion TC. I use a .018 nozzle . I make 250 Dyno'd. I'm happy with it.
Never purge into the engine, unless it's at 4k rpm. Keep it floored when you hit it .Don't hit until 3800rpm. Don't let it touch red line, and you'll be fine. Stay under 100shot for stock internals. And don't huff this crap, seems like that needs to be said these days. Sulfer Dioxide is deadly.
And again, don't purge a motor, that's not running.
This video deserves more views
I have a 12” vw passat 2.5 With 50 shoot wet , works great.. all internals stock 90k miles originals( no tune )
We decided to do it just out of fun and it works very well .. of course we need to tune it, and if in the future I want to put more nitro to prepare the engine internally
Solid gains in the midrange but fell off up top, totally worth it
I’ve considered running a “zex safe shot” kit. It’s like a dry 30 shot. On my 1.8t 20v. With your boy Ian’s reflect stage 1 tune. 👍🏼.
The slapping bit got me 🤣
Famous last words "I have a lot of faith in bottom end of European engines"
Back in the Mid 80's I put Nitro in my VW 412. For 3 days it was badass. 3 Days. Then it spontaneously disassembled abruptly. LOL.
Additional benefit of Nitrous that you didn't mention. Much cooler intake charge, allowing additional a/f mixture
Full send on a 100 shot, wow.
What a plot twist. Glad you guys ended up with an S4 though..
I like the fact there's an ambulance in the background at the shop.
There were so many things Wrong in this video. LOL Are Honda 2.4l k24a8 engine with my Custom turbo for Woodburn Drag strip in Oregon, with a Wet NOS 50hp shot build in 2014 still running this summer August 2024. Man that let go fast like a un-prepped Honda B16. John was right on everything he said. LOL
Big 5humbs up to the fire extinguisher
Guys this was hilarious!! :D For entertainment value alone you've already won.
That segment was hilarious
Just hit the subscribe button.,😁
Loving this type of content with the detailed explanation.
we don’t see mk5 gli’s that often. i own one and when i saw this one with nitrous immediately clicked.
So you do realize turbo is driven off the exhaust.. NOS. Made your exhaust flow and pressure skyrocket. Had you been watching boost you would have seen it Instantly max out as fast as you pushed the button. . I know this from my own trial and error. 1 liter geo turbo with Nos and turbo put out 421 hp. For years.... after I blew the 1st 1 into many pieces like you did.
Heartbreaking stuff, sorry to see all your hard work grenade itself.
Reminds me of when Tyler hoover injected nitrous into a hybrid prius and sent a piston into orbit
The fastest oil change I've ever seen.
I can say did you get the jets mixed up or use 87oct. Should have used some race gas for that 100 shot.
"Make a bigger boom" yeah.. thats what ya'll did... poor jetta 🤣🤣🤣🤦♀️
Can you guys give nitrous another go maybe with the R? Maybe it's a better candidate.
It wasn't about the rings heating up, it happened to quickly. It was that you overpressurised the cylinders before TDC.
The old adage. Three things can happen and two of them are bad. It was exciting while it lasted.
I have seen so many post (before) holes. Never ever seen one blow up ‘live’ lol
Did you monitor AFR during your runs? Stealing all that fuel from your primary system that if you were still on a stock low pressure pump might have been on running out already could definitely have been what started your problems.
What you need is a BMW with an M30 in it. Those things have magnificent bottom ends that can pull 500+hp with head studs and stock internals. Forged parts do a lot for a motor!
beautiful man but I think you should have forged everything even the crankshaft and a strong clutch first
Without failure there's no succes but i'm glad to see this so i don't have to try it
There isn't any air in the lines if there is you have another problem. What is in the lines is gaseous nitrous oxide as heat turns the liquid into gaseous state a purge pushes that out so there is pure liquid nitrous oxide at the solenoid the instant you start to spray . Its simply thete to eliminate performance delay...air 😅
Nitrous is no worse on an engine than a turbo or supercharger. The problem is you have the turbo making 100hp over stock and nitrous making 100hp over stock. This car made 200 and something hp at the wheels stock. You’ve essentially doubled the power of the engine.you’re better off lowering the boost to stock or below then spraying 200 shot. A car that can handle boost stock like a 5.7 hemi that everyone supercharges, can handle nitrous instead of a blower and is probably less abusive than supercharging since it’s not boosted all the time, probably nowhere near it. Just another video giving nitrous an undeserved bad reputation.
I’m so glad I found this comment bc i literally was asking this exact question. So using a supercharger and turbo would give the exact same wear to the engine and nitrous and tuning it right? I have a 5.7 pursuit with no cats fully straight piped CAI and tune. And I really want it to have more power but idk if the 5speed can handle it. Also i was winding my 5.7 can handle nitrous with its stock internals right? And my plan is to get headers, intake Manifold, throttle body do you think I need to add any more bolt ons for supporting the nitrous ? Apologize for all the questions…
Thanks
I wish to see a BPG engine if it could take the 100 shot. Only fsi with forged piston iirc
You guys are legendary!
NOX on a MKIII - do it! Besides, what else is Charles gonna do with those FnF stickers?
Facts
Either that or find another motor to "experiment" with for the MKV....
What a video to wake up to.
That was like putting nos on a melted butterfinger bar. Of course it's gonna go bang
Was this motor rebuild?
If no
, then you found out never hopp up a engine that is not fresh I just started watching your vids good content.
Maybe?
Probably?
Terrible life choices.
This series of episodes are so awesome!
And yes add catastrophic engine failure what happened in my 383 stroker it was a 250 shot it it blew right at the finish line and a car end up running a 10.7 add little over 138mph
Well... nozle is fitted perfectly. Even too good :D
Methanol…. Much safer!!! This video was so great!
Having fun with explosions, I see! I LOVE IT! Idiots installing NOS! I'M IN!
15:31 it pissed itself 😂
A blow engine video always wins a lot of views. So you may not have a car to race or spend another 5K on the S4 but you will win fans anyway.
i feel like you should do another youtube channel called " nothing but NOS' where you put NOS into various shitboxes to see what happens, start with like a Yugo or something. id watch that all day long lol
We talked about a will it blow series.... maybe some day.
Do it again! Next time pick a Smart for Two type car.
How about a second try on the Nitrous with say a B7 S4? If not a TDI.
Its plenty safe, PM me if you want details.