Inside The Demise Of The Lakers Dynasty (2004-2006) ft. Devean George
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Besides Kobe Bryant, Devean George is one of two Lakers that was on the team for the 3-peat and Kobe's 81-point game. He remembers the dark days following the 2004 Finals and Shaq's exit.
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The podcast universe really gives us a chance to hear perspectives from NBA players who weren't stars(That's most of the league). I'm always hearing the POV of the stars and former stars about what it's like to be on an NBA team. Devean George is the rare NBA player who was drafted out of a Division III college in Minnesota of all places. I'm glad to see he's doing well after basketball and apparently was very smart with his money. I love to hear stories like this.
Same here I love this kind of content
George looks like a west coast rapper from the 90's
LMAO 😂😂 Facts!!!
he looks like skee-lo
Poppa L Q😂😂
Facts😂
@@Hubcitybgwhat you know about “housin the scene”?🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
George winning 3 rings in first 3 seasons is crazy lucky 😂😂
Bruh and he came from a Division 3 school!
Seriously. That's gotta cause delusion. You start thinking that it's easy and do t appreciate the journey.
Patty Mcaw same thing... 2 with Golden State 1 with Toronto. crazy man
Yes and George was integral though and hit big shots, still lucky to win 3
Put in the work
Not getting the ball swung to you for a month is INSANE😭
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Dude, he's exaggerating. Remember, they are talking about role players. They got their shots. When some people think of Kobe, for some reason they only think about 2006, and 2007. Those were the only seasons where Kobe truly dominated the ball so much, because he had to in order to win games. Just imagine if Kobe would have given each of his starting 5 role players 10 touches each per game during that season just so they could get in rhythm. They wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs at all.
Kobe was always ball dominant
Crazy work
D-George came into this league 10 years too early. He'd be a great 3 and D player in today's game. A great cutter, reliable shooter and can guard perimeter players.
I remember I would set my 2k team with Devean George at SF over Rick Fox! Dude was solid!
lol same here I'd always take out Rick fox
Same.. quicker n more athletic
He was a great role player so were most of the Lakers bench players. To say he was better than Fox isn’t a far stretch but I would give Fox the nod he came in knowing how to play D
Devan George was nice he was key for those championships
4:19 - Anyone remember Rudy Tomjanovich as a Laker head coach? That was a rough first season following the loss to the Pistons. Rudy T had to quit after 43 games.
6:30 - Also, props to Jelani for being classy and giving Devean the recognition and respect he earned amongst his peers. After all these years, DG is STILL the only D3 player to be taken in the first round.
Devean is really blessed to be a Laker won 3 rings in 4 Finals! Now I subscribed to this amazing channel hope for more Lakers and Kobe stories, Please also feature other ex Laker players like Sasha the Machine, Medvedenko etc.
This podcast is quickly becoming one of my favorite basketball pods, you guys have a great flow when having conversations
Thanks fam. Really appreciate that. Lmk who you want to see on the show and we’ll try to make it happen. 🫡
Lol, haters want to believe that role players didn't get the ball because Kobe didn't pass the ball which is false. That's exactly what the life of a role player is. Yes, players need the chance to get in rhythm sometimes, but the flow of the game matters as well, and not everybody can get 10 shots per game just because they would like to have those touches. Let's also not act like the Lakers were stacked with perimeter shooters after the Kobe and Shaq split. The superstar scorers (the best players in the world) always get the most touches by far. Just imagine how many losses the Lakers would have had in 2006, or 2007 if Kobe's main focus was getting his role players the ball above all else? When Kobe didn't take at least 20 shots in a game, and the Lakers lost, people still bashed him. The Lakers wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs if Kobe didn't take over during those tough seasons. 2006, and 2007 were the only seasons where Kobe dominated the ball like that because he had to dominate the ball so much in order to have a chance of winning. Outside of that, Kobe took around the same amount of shots as any other superstar scorer, and for a lot of years during his career, he took less shots than other scorers.
I saw it with my own eyes too. When the Lakers were going to the Finals in 2008-2010, Kobe was spreading the wealth. He no longer needed to average more than 30ppg. He could have continued doing that if he wanted to but he changed his style of leadership and the Lakers had better chemistry.
Donovan and Garcia, in 06 and 07 Kobe had to take all the shots, cause those are rebuilding upcoming teams, he did it so that they could stay competitive, but those yrs, those teams had a 45-37 and 42-40 records and made the playoffs, that marked the first time that both Kobe and Phil lost in the 1st round of the playoffs in their nba careers at that point and for the rest of their personal careers. But when we got Pau, that uplifted us too, got us to 3 straight finals winning back to back, but at the same time, we helped out Pau's playoff career too, playing with a proven winner like Kobe, made Pau's playoff career improve better from his Grizzlies playoff career.
@@rumarspencer7302 remember that the Lakers in the early part of the 07-08 season were already looking like contenders before Bynum went down. That’s the reason they made that Gasol trade in the first place.
@Serching4JerryGarcia Yes I know, looking back on it, Bynum getting hurt turned out to be a positive, it allowed us to trade for Pau, if Bynum didn't get hurt against Pau and Memphis, the trade wouldn't have happened.
Nice interview. Keep em rolling!
Great interview
That 2004-05 season was quite a drop off on the roster around Kobe.
Even though they added Lamar Odom and Caron Butler.
You try and replace Gary Payton at point guard with Chucky Atkins and you try and replace Shaq at the center position with Chris Mihm and 15 games of Vlade Divac
Don’t forget Brian Grant and TIERRE BROWN getting minutes. Surprisingly Rudy T had that team at 24-19 before we had something of a 2-19 stretch when Hamblen took over in the interim
@@isaiahpavia-cruz678Kobe got hurt that year too I think. He missed like 15 games or something like that. From 2003 to 2011 Kobe made 1st Team All NBA and All Defense except in 2005. It would’ve been 9 straight seasons of him doing that otherwise smh.
Jumaine Jones rookie Sasha and 2nd year Brian Cook
It's called Rebuilding process. Every team has a 5 year window
After that the rebuild comes. Lakers somehow made sure they will rebuild but still competative. They got Kobe and Phil. Look at that roster who made an all star apperance? None! That's from 2004-07. But yet Lakers in the WEST madw the playoffs with only Kobe as the lone star with young players and no all star apperances. Pushed the suns to 7 where the Lakers should have not lead 3-1 at all because Suns got Marion, Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Thomas, Kurt who already got deep playoff experience amd 2.all stars.
Sheed was killing Slava lmao
DG hasn’t aged a lick!
Well said
Shout out to Trenton Hassell 3:16
They was never beating the Pistons. They had way more issues than Karl Malone being hurt. The chemistry on that Lakers team was not good at all
Have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just spewing the same dumb narrative. Actually analyze the game next time. Smh
@alih122 the pistons were younger, deeper, faster. Played better defense. Lol even Rick fox and Gary Payton said the pistons were better. And if we want to play the game of what if, what if the pistons had done the right thing and drafted Carmelo instead of Darko? That's probably a dynasty.
Ahhhh 2k legend deavon George if you play with the 2000s lakers in 2k den you already know
Devean George was automatic on that corner 3. Made so many of those. Augsburg Division THREE.
Devin used to hit them 3"s
The Triple OG shirt hard
Malone played great defense on duncan in the second round that year too. Shaq was garbage on defense and the boards too
Low key that was shaq worse laker season imo he was too big and slow by that point . That's why he lost weight when he got traded to Miami
@@fatpatlives1998 oh yes easily, he got too comfortable. Shaq could have had better longevity than lebron if he wanted. If he kept in shape he could have still been averaging 20 to this day
@lioninthesun lol LeBron is a freak of nature that will never happen again 😂 but I do agree shaq could have had another 2 or 3 years of prime by keeping his weight down . If he stayed his magic size there's no question he plays longer even in Phoenix he was still getting numbers
@@fatpatlives1998 if he was in shape he would have avoided some injuries but yeah lebron is on that juice too
@@fatpatlives1998This we're y'all wrong at some injuries & surgeries cause you to have to sit out at times plus with all of that weight on shaq he was gonna gain weight his generics are just different tbh
Didn't stay down long. Lost in the Finals in 2008, and won back to back in 2009 and 2010.
It’s sad that they did not run that team back considering Karl Malone and Horace Grant was injured was the reason they didn’t win the Finals because knowone could guard Rasheed Wallace.
There's no such thing as downfall, in this league of 30 teams, you don't expect one team to continue winning for 5-10 years, It's better to think team over achieved if they become a dynasty, but at some point they'll will lose it, and that is not a downfall at all
Props to Devean for to saying what real ones know. Malone stays healthy the lakers win the series in 7.
And the dynasty didn’t end that season. Kobe Fisher and Phil finished of the decade in dominant fashion.
Exactly this is why I love listening to podcasts with former players. Stupid fans just say the Lakers were dysfunctional in 04 and provide zero analysis which is 99% of imbeciles. When you hear players perspective you know what went wrong and why it went wrong.
BS Karl Malone was pass his prime don't use the hurt excuse the Pistons beat their ass with or without Karl Malone that defense was just way too much
They needed a 3 and D guy in that SF slot next to Kobe! This guy didn't provide them either
@@deeshah6676Tell em, the Pistons locked them up, outworked and was more unified than the Lakers. My Pistons whooped dat ass.
That hesitation is not wanting to pass the ball 😂🤣😂
Ppl forget but Malone was 40 that season (04), his 19th playoff appearence, he was Lakers best passer, even had a 30pt game x Yao and great d on Duncan. And the one guarding MVP Garnett. By game 6 of West Finals his body was not same. And Shaq lazy as fuck while Kobe taking 30 brick shots. Horace hurt, Fox hurt, Payton couldnt adjust in triangle.
Shaq lazy but avg 28 an 12 in nfinals with kone hogging ball u fool
Who the fuck could Kobe pass to in that series who could hit it a open jumper to save their goddamn lives?!?! I think this was Kobe’s lowpoint. But I don’t blame him for being a ball hog.
@@alih122 Shaq was still the man even with Ben having great series. You dont give up on Shaq to try to be the man and ball hero. But Kobe dick riders are even worst than Lebrons
Lazy? Shaq helped Malone shut down Duncan and was still there best rebounder and shot blocker. Kobe played for Kobe
They were rollin all the way through the west! They beat some good teams to get to the finals! I think with Mailman healthy it would have been different!
If Kobe played how he came into the 07-08 season immediately after Shaq was gone, they could’ve been so much better
They didn't have the personnel the year after Shaq, they were starting over, if he had the talent in 04-05 just like in 07-08, yes, but Kobe and the Lakers was starting over at that point, and building the team up from there.
Minneapolis very own BSM & D3 player had a clip
Your not a hooper if you cant make it happen . Rhythm is everything but its not gonna be there every game you have to make it happen
Dude ….that Pistons team defense was outstanding….they pretty much shut all y’all down….even Shaq had to work for his…..that game 3 game…they humiliated the Lakers
Why Devean George look like Corey Maggette here 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Have Joakim Noah on the show
Bro what happened to George he was a great player
Lakers won one game vs Pistons. Kobe wasn't passing.
Kobe wats the reason they won that 1 game
@diramedia2633 He was also the reason why they lost the next 4 straight. In game 7 of his last Ship against the Celtics he shot 25% from the field.
@elvingallard7255 kobe also got 15 rebounds that game, shot +80% from the line, and found Artest for the famous 3pt dagger, and fmvp lmao
Dirammedia2633, clearly the reason, leading scorer.
I don’t see it. Karl didn’t get hurt until game 2 I believe and it took a miracle shot to send it into overtime at home. You were beat up in game 1. There were too many mismatches and when they got back to Detroit it went up another level.
So the great kobe can win chios but he cant keep a sane locker room. He cant stop the losing. Wow!😅😅😅
Thats why i respect Brons game the most he make sure is teammates get in rhythm before he starts to cook
DG3
Sheed would've cooked Karl and Horace
This guy is the reason they lost to Detroit!!!!!!!! He couldn't shoot nor was a scorer so he didn't give Kobe 1 on 1 opportunities nor did he pull the defense out for Shaq to have 1 on 1 opportunities either
I forgot Horace Grant was also injured.If the Lakers were full strength-HEALTH-wise,it would have been a completely different series. I didn't know Shaq loved getting assists from the triangle,but,I already knew about ball-hog Kobe,MJ was like this too.If you don't make your shots when MJ passed you tha-ROCK-he wouldn't pass you the ball any more during that game.
It's all about coming through for the team, people always say that superstars should make everyone better, but I always say, it's the cast job to help out the superstar too, goes both ways. That's what Kobe always wanted from his guys, come up to his level, meet him halfway, that's how it was.
Hell nah it'd be too many old chefs in the kitchen. 04 pistons defense was different
@@j03franks Thanks to Larry Brown,I re-watched games 2 and 3 of that finals series and he was chiming guys if they missed a defensive assignment.Even Wallace didn't give Brown any lip if he pulled him out the game for not being on point.
ain’t no demise dude stop the foolishness
dan hurley turning down offer is no demise
What does Dan Hurley have to do with 04, 05 and 06 Lakers?
Lakers' downfall started with leaving Minneapolis
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12 championships is not a downfall
Yea ok buddy😂
Found the Celtics fan
Yeah 04 piston best five alive
Hell no
KOBE BRYANT WAS ALWAYS THE PROBLEM... when he was young he refused to be an elite role-player and insisted on being a top scorer even though his team had Prime Shaq... he dribbled too much to get his shot off which takes his teammates out of the game... his constant bitching about Shaq's condition was uber-dumb, Shaq had a huge body and the obvious strategy was to take it easy in the first half of the season then use the second half to get in shape then play big minutes at full speed in the playoffs... Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom were 2 of the best players in the NBA when Kobe won his Shaqless titles, people act like he won those on his own... fax!!!
Remember he was trying so hard to be like Mike
They also had Bynum and Ronald World War for the second one. But just like every other "superstar's" fan cult, Kobe has one and when the team win it's all because of their guy and his teammates are "a bunch of bums" that got carried to glory. But when the team loses, the same "superstar needs more help" and his teammates "didn't carry their weight". I absolutely hate the stupid culture around today's sports.
Ok, you proved you hate Kobe, good job on that.
You sound dumb, Kobe is the reason Shaq even got to those 3 rings Shaq wouldn’t even make it to the playoffs if it wasn’t for Kobe , Kobe had to have the ball cuss the lakers weren’t gonna score 💯 Shaq ego is what destroyed the lakers , Kobe was gonna leave the lakers anyways if Shaq didn’t leave and the lakers wouldn’t never won a ring after that if Kobe would of left
@icecold__ Many are just insecure of him, cause they have favorites, and Kobe is better than their guys.
Lebron is going to bestow confidence in his team so they'd be ready to hit big shots when he gets doubled, vs Kobe who gets praised for having "mamba mentality" and not passing to his teammates that he belittled. 😅
Yeah the same player who outs his teammates thru klutch Sports, riiight. Its a lot of pressure when you could get traded cause you can't make catch and shoot 3's and he definitely makes his teammates better by reducing them to being spot up shooters cause he's a layup merchant who needs the spacing so he can score...😂
Different types of leadership 🤷🏾♂️ Both Kobe and LeBron want to get the same results 🏆
Downfall was ballhog Kobe. End of story
Never . You aint remembering right
Then how did they rebuild, and win 2 more championships (and don't tell me it was because of Gasol)? How did they still make the playoffs in 2006, and 2007? How did they run the Triangle offense successfully? How did Phil Jackson's vision get implemented at all if Kobe didn't pass the ball? Go back, and actually try to watch the games.
Nobody hogs balls quite like your mother. 😂
Another idiot that never watched Kobe Bryant play.
Dwade clown🤡. You should go and stop talking.
George is a champ off the court from what I read. 🫡