LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! They have the audacity to actually say the exact OPPOSITE of what appears on the video slides. "You see I had to push him down into the water twice to stop him...I wasn't the aggressor...I don't know I couldn't see my hair was in my eyes " 🙄
@kristycrow9586 What about mui's lies...that's what really screwed him. It showed his consciousness of guilt, which is a legal form of circumstantial evidence used to show his awareness that he knew he engaged in blameworthy conduct. Not intentional, but in hindsight, he knew he had no need, or right, to do what he did. It's very sad. He was not in shock. People in shock don't do or say what he said and did.
@@SC-ls3iv And what about the constant lies and lies and lies and lies Of the kids Oh wait they were kids so it's OK right. Because doing dope And drinking Is a kid thing to do now ad as
@kristycrow9586 doesn't apply. They didn't start gutting, stabbing, and killing. Read the law. They weren't hiding a crime of murder and attempted murder. Big, huge difference
@@EastmanEditing Unless you think that being assaulted my a mob of drunk football players, having to defend your life and then being charged for murder by a corrupt DA isn't traumatizing. Maybe you're different.
@@torreyintahoeThe defendant killed one kid and almost killed at least 2 others. They are ALL traumatized, but he got out of it unscathed physically so….
Just thought I’d put the Wisconsin statute here because lots of people in the chat seem to think this an obvious case of “murder” just from the fact he stabbed them; 939.48 Self-defense and defense of others. (1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. So keeping the law in mind, you have to ask yourself when being pushed down in a river, punched in the head and attacked by a mob of drunken 17-24 yo’s who are accusing you of being a child raper, if a reasonable person in that situation, as in being attacked in the moment, would believe their life was in imminent danger.
It stays so difficult. If I was the mom of Isaac, I would also want somebody to pay. Nicolae. But in this scenario, it went so horrific terribly wrong. So many sides. First group of 6. Second group of 5. Being surrounded by a mob of 13, I also would have used my knife, if I had a knife. Isaac had his both hands around the throat of Nicolae. Pfff, this stays so difficult. A mom lost her son.
It’s clearly self defense Just think if it was you and you had 13 attackers coming at you for no reason other than they enjoyed video the assault 😢😢😢 Sickening kids
Law & Crime, Thank you for airing this but PLEASEEEEE figure out the audio. The frequent changing of the volume. Raising it up high is terrifying and hard to watch. My volume is at a reasonable level but it’s raised to hear the attorney then the witness speaks and he’s shouting so loud. Please just leave. Sincerely, A big fan 😊
That’s not a law and crime problem lol. That’s a court problem. law and crime can’t just change the audio every few seconds when each person speaks. Think about what you said!! The court sets this stuff up.
I doubt The Defense will request a psychological on their client as the probability of the result, will be evidnce for THE STATE. Certainly was poor action to drag multiple witnesses for the Defense into a courtroom. THEN ALL DEFENSE WITTNESSES CALLED BEFORE THE JUDGE AS A GROUP AND REPREMANDED FOR VIEWING LIVE TESTIMONY ON A CELL PHONE!
I feel completely different about the situation after seeing the video. Yes, Miu seemed odd approaching the younger group with his goggles in hand. But the group of boys acted like a pack of hyenas --- taunting, surrounding, bullying him, and Jawahn Cockfield was one the main instigators, encouraging the pack-like behavior. --- It seems like Jawahn and the other individuals should face repercussions for creating this intense situation.
Mr Mui's life is literally ruined by what Jawahn Cockfield initiated. And Jawahn Cockfield has gone on to living his "successful" college life. SMH......
@butterboy9027 well that's not really what I meant. It could have totally been a you. Know. Who. Of the other sort. But it just kills me that he could start so much BS (because he DID) and then just be allowed to go about his life as if nothing happened.
A lesson is getting grounded or getting a ticket or even getting arrested.. not witnessing your best friend get murdered and other people’s stomachs literally fall out
They were still kids and they never said they were innocent, that does not give him the right to stab multiple people if he had to use a knife then why did he not just stop after stabbing one he carried on and that led to a kids death and that one kid that did die never laid a finger on him
Im confused - so everyone in his group saw that he stabbed the kids and then they just returned to their tubes and continued down the river for a little bit before leaving?
No, if you look at the x wife’s testimony at 5:08:20 she says they all stayed there while the police came and everything, returning to the tubes after the whole ordeal was over and police had already talked to them ect.
@@sherireedy329 What? I don’t understand what you guys think happened… she’s saying she stayed 20 minutes after the police arrived, which is about the time it’d take for them to take down the identity and/or statements of everyone there (assuming it was multiple police) and for the first responders to take away the injured ones. Why would she stay longer than it took for authorities to deal with the situation? What else is there for her to do there? Are you like expecting it to be some dramatic movie where she drops to her knees while the rain comes down and she cries facing the sky for an hour after everyone’s left?
If Miu was punched twice, shouldn’t he have been checked out by the Emt’s instead of floating down a river? Will the police who conducted the interview with Miu be called as a witness?
Exactly…you should see his initial interview with police; FULL of lies! He also told his party AFTER he threw away the knife, that the boys STOLE his knife 😑
I'm not there yet in the trial but I think his best defense is I didnt think anyone would believe me. After seeing there was a video I regret my past lies and want to tell the truth should be his defense. After watching the video and getting to his ex wife, I'm just finding out from your comment he lied on and going on your statement for him lying about it
Who would believe that a grown man in daylight is going be looking under 2 foot of water for little girls. The man recording started shouting lies. With the teen boys n mob mentality it made the women concerned. I believe Nic said he was looking for a girl’s phone. Not little girls.
Lady with pink hair is wrong and strong. She seems to have absolutely no doubt in her ability to recollect the incident, but is also so mistaken on many aspects.
Chat is awful. This is a trial and every witness is going to be a regular ol' human who's not used to being on tv or speaking publicly. I'd love to see AND hear everyone in the chat mocking all the victims looks and voices. Guarantee 99% of the a-holes are 100x worse than all of the things they're nitpicking on. Especially anyone older in age. Most people outgrow mocking a victim's looks by their early 20's, but if you're still judging people on their clothes and faces and voices in your middle aged or later years you have some inner work to do.
@@Htrabaluap24 yep I get that it's just disappointing. Somehow I still have a lot of hope for humanity and always assume the vast majority of people aren't judgmental but I never seem to learn after all these years haha.
@@jeniwhitt481 I am middle aged. That's why I am so adamant that this man was just as immature as the drunk teens he refused to walk away from. And also why I am so saddened/sickened by the chat. I expect this behavior from poorly raised drunk teens, but there's no excuse once you enter middle age and beyond. I don't excuse the teen's behavior either to be clear, and find it vile and cruel. It doesn't warrant what ultimately transpired due to Nic's refusal to back down and retreat from the drunk boys.
Did he really say he was looking for little girls? Did he really punch the girl? Or is that what has been talked about, so it must have happened. Doesn't match any of the initial interviews.
I personally (no factual evidence or proof, just personal opinion) wonder if it was one of a few possible scenarios: 1. He was simply misunderstood because he was muttering or speaking softly, but actually said something like, "I'm looking for a girl's phone..." (most likely without any video/audio proof) 2. The teen videoing everything simply pretended to "hear" him say that when he ignored them and didn't respond because he thought it would be funny since he claimed the man was acting weird. (Also very plausible considering how drunk teen boys tend to act when they have too much confidence) 3. Or...Mui was immediately on the defense the moment the teens asked him what he was doing, (maybe they asked it in a rude way) so he hurled an insult at THEM first, such as, "I don't have to tell you what i'm looking for, little girls..." And they misunderstood him but picked up on the hostile vibes so decided to take it too the next level in retaliation. (obviously that last one is a huge speculative leap, but it's possible since he seems like the snarky type with his smirking and refusal to back down or retreat even after 12/13 people started surrounding him)
So many people here (Americans?) siding with the defendant. All he had to do was walk away and leave things be and his life would have gone on as normal.
@@jeffa847he had no reason to be near the group of boys none whatsoever and the fact he was touching them is weird, he had other intentions that what he’s told the police
Se sounded like she really loved him and humanized him a bit. Reluctant with the prosecution but perhaps balanced out by what the defense got out of it.
He divorced her FYI so maybe that has something to do with it because she also lied to the cops so that's why she's now finally trying to be on his side.
I said OMG at the same thing. My son said she has trouble hearing, so we replayed the video. I think she she is more learning impaired than hearing impaired.
Legal duty to retreat....WI is not a stand your ground state.... when he came back and initialized the contact self defense went out the door...also he could have retreated after first stabbing
Legal duty to retreat is only in the northeast, though I agree this SHOULD be a situation where the defense clearly should have retreated since he had so many opportunities throughout the 10-15 minute encounter. Everyone on his side seems to have only watched the edited video clip of the main event without any knowledge about what lead up to the climax and who is who or what is being said. They are all screaming for him to leave and just go back to his friends. The teens called him names prior to that, but also in between yelled at him to stop and to leave them alone and "go away." They weren't' trying to exert authority and tell a man he couldn't be on a public river like so many are trying to claim, they just wanted him to leave their vicinity and let them pass and continue down the river. He even had a window of opportunity AFTER he was shoved and hit when the first "mediator" stepped in to try to stop the fight. Everyone stepped back and turned away from him, but he lunged at them and started stabbing.
They aren't house shoes!! You may think the clog one look like them but they have many many more than just the Clogs. I have several pair of sandals that definitely don't look like house shoes! 🤷♀️😄
Yep. And now he has plenty of time to sit and think about the unacceptable actions he took that day🤷🏾♀️ at least the jury got it right because his actions before, during, and after the incident all the way to on the stand did not portray those of someone who had to self defend in such a way to cut up multiple people and take a life from the earth and potentially take a few more... Glad justice is being served ⚖️
That wasn't justice in that rigged trial where everyone in the area knows each other, drinks together and probably sleeps with each other. Those "witnesses" trying to keep their lies straight and not even able to do that after 2 years of trying to remember their lies. Instead of Cheese Heads those people in Wisconsin should call themselves Dead Heads after that sham.
Without the video we'd have no idea what happened. The eyewitness testimony is demonstrably unreliable. People do not get a free pass to do whatever they want because they're under 18 and have chosen to drink irresponsibly. Once Miu was punched, downed, and punched again he had the legal right to defend himself against the dozen people who were tormenting him. He wasn't required to ascertain their ages or genders and hold back on either account.
Exactly! Most people in the chats act as if these kids did nothing wrong. And each of them on the stand take zero accountability for what they did that day. Not to mention they have selective memory.
@@MsK_1111 kids did plenty wrong in this but they didnt escalate it to a life or death situation, he did, wrongfully, and there is a reason Rambo has been sitting in jail for 2 years and not out on bail, figure it out
Before I saw the video, I watched the prosecutions opening statements. Was sure he was guilty. But then I saw the video. It’s sad and tragic, but the kids started this fight by knocking him down, punching him in the face, and taunting him the meanwhile. He was outnumbered by a lot. I’d vote not guilty.
@@sherireedy329yet no video of him hitting or punching or slapping this blonde chic. And no pic of her swollen left eye, or was it her right eye? And where the video of him saying anything about looking for little girls? Are you paying attention or are you that broke?
Exactly. He made initial contact and kept coming back. Technically him holding their rafts like that could be considered kidnapping under their state laws.
@@shilobutton5485then when he was touching their legs is because he lost snorkel/goggles and they would stirring the water to make it difficult for him to find anything
I saw that also ~ someone’s leg swishes around while he’s reaching down for his goggles, I think one of the kids possibly got the goggles w/foot and tossed backwards which is why Nic walked around the tubes to the other side and reached in the water.
Did you see her look at the prosecutors every time she answered a question from defence??? She needs to get some validation that she answered "correctly" because she's lying!
murder is proved i believe. he pulled the knife out before anyone touched him and he had ample opportunity to put it away and walk away, and he knew stabbing would cause grave injury. guilty
I was getting such a kick out of yesterday as all the kids come to court and blatantly lie saying "he said he was looking for little girls"....yeah, sure he did buddy!
@@sandihulbert5902 I don't believe he said it. I think the kids thought they could bully someone because they were high and drunk and showing off for each other.
The kids definitely instigated this and their behavior was disgusting!!! Where I struggle with the self defence is 1. if he was worried at the outset, he could've headed back up stream to his group while the kids were all still sitting in their tubes floating downstream.. he didn't attempt to remove himself from the situation, rather he chose to pursue it by rushing them. 2. He didn't even attempt to talk to any of the parties involved or ask for help or yell at them he wants to leave, it looks like nobody is home in the videos. 3. At the point he felt threatened enough to pull the knife out, he never attempted to make it known or threaten them with it in order to get them to back off and let him go back to his group. He instead chose to start stabbing.
Yes but they were starting to beat him up in the water , way I see it he was on his back and panicked. Kids didn’t realize the possibility which is him drowning after every teenager feels there oats on guy they think is worst kind of person . Any adult in this situation would be in bad spot , these kids were telling the other groups he’s hurting kids , at first the guys just looking for his phone and he smiled has they heckled him he was foolish but they kind of baited him too .
I feel bad for the mom that kid and the older guy on trial everyone else got back exactly what they put out into the universe and ring leader got away only being traumatized emotionally
He didn’t have any reason to believe his life was in imminent danger before they started pushing him to the ground and punching him in the head, that’s when he made the decision using his knife was necessary to eliminate the threat. Now if he had started stabbing while they were just yelling, prior to them actually jumping him, agreed it wouldn’t be self defense. It’s also illegal to threaten with weapons unless you feel your life is in imminent danger, and again, he did not believe that until after being jumped. If he had threatened before it was clear his life was in imminent danger and they backed off, he could have been charged.
So, you think it's okay to physically attack someone bc you want to know what they're doing & they don't answer or speak to you? Self entitled much? Nosey much?
Wonder how you’re gonna feel when you hear Mui’s interrogation. Unbelievable lies from start to finish! Lol Not knowing there would be proof disputing everything. Almost every single word lol At least the victims were traumatized and may have misspoke a right hand or left hand. Nothing blatant at all. Picture yourself going through what they did. You’d not be thinking too clearly or caring what you said being interviewed with their guts hanging out
I’ve been in situation like the miu when I was these kids age and he likely wouldn’t be here being accused of what they told other groups . He would’ve drowned after being beaten by more than 12 people
The witness claims it could have all been solved if Miu tried to use words. It doesn't sound like anyone was interested in his side anyway. From the video it seems to me that Miu started walking towards the women because he thought they were an unbias party coming over to help. He starts pointing back in an attempt to explain something but was immediately met with a verbal attack. In that moment he realizes they were not there to help him or even mediate the situation. Now he is in a situation where he has two groups of people being aggressive towards him. I think he was so nervous and/or scared that he couldn't really say anything. Not that anything he could have said would have miraculously made those two groups behave civilly.
I thought the same thing. They said he was smiling in the video, but to me he looks worried. He is trying not to look weak because when bullies see weakness, they pounce harder.
It's astonishing to me that the second group started getting into it with Miu too. If i see an older man with a roudy group of teens, i would go over to see if said man needed help not the group of teens.
It is really weird that Nik didn’t say anything during this whole ordeal. He looks really out of it the entire time. I’m still watching but do we know how intoxicated he was?
I think the most disturbing thing is after all of this in order to get to the end the man's entire group would have had to float past all the blood and stabbing victims. 😮 SICK shame on all of them
@@LegendLengthwouldn’t his group being down stream make more sense. I could be wrong too. But he was looking for a lost phone. So they must have already gone past that spot? And when he turned to walk away he was heading downstream to where the boys would have continued to float.
YOU NEVER HEAR the teenagers screaming "help" on the recordings BUT his wife testified that Nicoli was upset with her and his group for NOT hearing HIS screams for HELP!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😒
Mui never screamed for help and they already testified and other witnesses that the teens were yelling for help before Mr. Cockfield started recording.
Davis added nothing but shade. Why call him? And pink haired lady is hyperventilating she is so nervous. She saw Miu clearly but didn't see her friend pushing him?
I don’t like the Sheena girl. She has no clue. At least one woman has hands on Nic but she says she knows it didn’t happen. Things she says that didn’t happen, actually DID happen. Strange the witnesses only remember what they want to.
Weird that Miu's friend was concerned he'd look like a ped0 and the teens thought he was a ped0. Doesn't mean the mob should surround him and attack him without thinking he might fight back. I think he's not guilt because of the mob... but something doesn't sit right with this guy.
This case is entitled to a Directed Verdict! Were the State witnesses who had prior felonies, threatened somehow bc they sounded scared especially, pink hair girlie!
pretty blown away by all the nasty comments in here it’s clear that Miu is a psychopath who was looking for trouble. He came to stir up trouble, and he traumatized these young adults and children. Yes, 17-year-olds are children. The proof is on the video. Anybody can’t see that this is guilty is beyond me. I agree the prosecution is terrible, but the case is strong.
I worked in the court system for years and was shocked by what people of all ages wore to court! Sometimes they show up drunk and or high, wearing a t shirt with a pot leaf, when they’re already in trouble for alcohol/drugs. Some wear pi’s and others wear club clothes. It was like a show every day in court!
I was quite surprised myself. And she’s a professional, a phlebotomist. I would have expected a more appropriate outfit but to each their own! I was on jury duty and couldn’t believe the way ppl were dressed. Witnesses and fellow jurors alike.
Its not illegal to call someone names. A grown adult is not allowed to put his hands on minors under the age of 18. He put his hands on 2 of them and then hit a woman before they did anything. Kinda funny to stab people for doing something you just did to them multiple times....
@@XoxJasonReynoldsxoX A grown adult is not allowed to put his hands on anyone really. He started swinging his knife after they grabbed him by the neck, pushed him down in the water, etc. It's definitely not a clear cut case, considering USA has strong self defense laws. He would be guilty of manslaughter or "causing the death of another" by the laws in my country (sweden), because he didn't attempt as hard as he could to get away from the situation before using lethal violence.
The kids didn’t act perfectly but anyone who thinks this was self-defense is TOTALLY NUTS. He repeatedly walked towards the kids, despite them telling him to leave them alone. He stayed, touched a woman, got pushed a few times, then reacts by stabbing 5 people with no warning? Then he flees the scene and after he’s caught LIES to police and tells them it was the KIDS who attacked HIM with knives?? PLEASE
@@Piat65 It’s weird you guys try to equivocate on someone saying they didn’t notice something with people confidently describing in detail things we know just did not happen. I mean one of the witnesses today even flat out said he told police details he did not know were true, that’s called a lie. You can’t say “he punched her!” Then say “well he could have I don’t know”… that is not equivalent to saying I didn’t notice any blood in a flowing river.
N fine if they’re lying the Mui was lying when he said he was looking for a phone. Looks to me like he was groping at the boys on the tubes. When u act cringy and stare/smirk at people WITHOUT saying a word, yeah it’s creepy. All he had to do was not aggressively run at the kids. He was the adult, he should’ve walked away.
you might be delusional. miu punched a young lady and that was the only reason he was jumped. and before you say “oh it’s justified because the girl touched him” DID HE NOT touch the young boys in the beginning of the video? so does that mean they’re justified for beating him up because miu touched them? you are very deranged. NAME CALLING AND TAUNTING DOES NOT EXCUSE MURDER. AND IF U TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE VIDEO he was holding the knife in his hand before any altercation began of pushing or touching. he knew what he was there to do and that was to kill. he had ample opportunity to leave if he felt so “threatened” but he did not because his ego was hurt. not only that but out of the 5 people stabbed some were completely innocent and did not have anything to do with the altercation. he was not “afraid”, he was angry.
@@sandragraham533 Well this person calls people delusional by copy/pasting the same text to quite a few comments. And writing "he knew what he was there to do and that was to kill" is a pretty huge red flag in regard to having any reasonable fibre.
Regardless, the older gentleman should have enough sense to just walk away. Had plenty of opportunities but didn't. Should have never hit the girl to begin with. Lied about having a knife, then said he took it from one of the victims who clearly never had one. After stabbing multiple people just walks away and changes into something making him look as if he wanted to be disguised. Guy just should have stayed away! Couldn't handle some punk kids heckling him. Guilty!!!!
It's as simple as this but people who didn't watch any of the trial think otherwise. The guy initiated all contact and violence as well as continuing to harass the kids and even under law, technically, false imprisoning them by grabbing their rafts.
He also wasn't alone, the other gentleman from his party was pointed out in multiple photos. So saying he was scared and alone just adds to the lies. Ridiculous. Weird he's now divorced as well.
@@jeffdavidson2390 His friend didn't show up until Nic's wife asked him to go check on him. Nic had already been hit and pushed into the water. His ex-wife even stated she loves him the same as when they were married. Some defendants get divorced to protect the assets of their spouse.
I 100% agree with you....he is an adult and should have just left the youngsters alone to start with, why go over to them and start causing crap. Who goes into the river, with a knife in your pocket...intentions to use it? When things got heated, he should have walked away. No matter what was said, it doesn't make stabbing people and killing one....right. Sorry...guilty (and I have been watching every day of the trial)!
Why did Nic not retreat back to his group before the escalation? His ex wife admitted that he went back twice? Did he go back to his group the first time to get a knife? Wisconsin law probably does not have stand your ground laws which would require Nic to retreat if possible (he went back twice so clearly he had the opportunity to retreat) before using deadly force. Prosecution seems inexperienced and the defense is failing to establish the imminent threat threshold required for an acquittal. Sad mostly for those injured and murdered in this case.
@@johannawebley4101 He still could have stepped aside for 30-60 seconds and waited for the unruly teens to pass by rather than letting them get to his ego. There was no reason for him to refuse to walk away after he stopped their tubes from continuing down the river. Most mature folks would've rolled their eyes or yelled something snarky back at the kids and carried on with their lives rather than feeling for their pocket knife the moment someone hurls a weak insult their way. I float almost every weekend in the summer and there was absolutely no reason for him to stick around. It would've maybe taken a minute out of his day to step aside and ignore the kids while they passed, but instead he reacted like someone who isn't capable of controlling their emotions.
@@EastmanEditing I'm not justifying what he did. I was just answering the question about why he was there. He should have just ignored/avoided them and they should have never started taunting and pushing and bullying him. I was just providing context because I was watching the trial and they said he was looking for the phone, he also lost his snorkel.
@@johannawebley4101 gotcha! Sorry I jumped to conclusions. I think this is one of the hardest cases without seeing every second of footage because so many people acted out and if any one of the 2 groups and/or Nic stepped back or didn't get involved to begin with, this wouldn't have happened. (and just leaving this here for reference for other readers, not as a direct response: Nic was originally looking for a friend's phone with his goggles/snorkel set. The teens wound up next to him while he was snorkeling in shallow, 1 foot deep water, and they seemingly were weirded out by this and asked him what he was doing. I'm not sure they asked in a polite tone, but also not sure if they were simply being friendly and curious as there's no video/audio evidence. Shortly after this, based on recorded timelines, Nic lost his snorkel while lunging at the teen's while they were floating by in their tubes. He first has the snorkel/goggle set in his teeth, then drops it in the water while he's yanking on their tubes. This still doesn't mean that he couldn't have simply stepped aside or up onto the bank while he waited for them to pass, after which he could have resumed his search for the phone and his snorkel.)
I'm only 4 minutes in but doesn't 1st degree require some premeditation. This was in the midst of a fight? or disagreement? What he did was horribly wrong and he will do time I"m sure but I'm in the early stages of this so.....Okay I'm back after an hour and my opinion has changed. I feel the same about this as I do the Byron Smith case of an ex-marine who was repeatedly robbed and harrassed by teens until he killed them when they broke in his home again after they had already stolen his grandfather's watch. They accussed him of basically "laying a trap for them" like WTF. He did park his truck down the street and left his front door unlocked and waited in the basement for them though. His mistake was he recorded everything and taunted them as he stood over them and shot them and didn't report it until the next morning. I still think they should release him because you don't know what someone with PTSD is capable of and they had tormented this man in his on home and law enforcement wouldn't do anything about it. If this guy gets anything more than a few years I'd be surprised. I'm not soft when it comes to this generation at all. All this coddling and not teaching kids to be respectful is gonna eventually come back to bite parents in the butt.
You’re looking at it from the perspective of the defendant. Who’s to say what a bunch of drunk/stoned teens will do when approached and accused of theft? They warned him to go away and he rushed them, they defended themselves by hitting/pushing him. He could’ve retreated but he stabbed instead. He’ll get 15 years hard time.
1st degree murder + 4 1st degree assault charges. If found guilty, the 1st degree murder charge alone will get him a life sentence. Self defense is proven by the evidence imo. But the jury may see it differently.
Several of the states witnesses today helped the defense more than they did the state. The sober girl lied about everything and Mr. Williamson was just telling the truth and that truth helped Mr. Mui.
I think the video of the disemboweled guy getting stabbed also helped the defense. It showed him pushing Mui down in the water. Then when the defendant gets up, the guy goes to push him again. As he pushes, Mui stabs him. The momentum of Miu falling back from the push is what causes the upward slicing motion.
@@juliahewett7362 Since that’s so funny to you, imagine every fact the same except Nic having a knife and one of those blows to the head or the push in the water onto a rock ended up killing him, would the mob be responsible?
He would be dead, therefore no longer a threat to our kids. It would be the right move. You accused mem of thinking this funny.. what a gaslighter you are. a republican I presume. @@travispratt6327
Does anyone know why the prosecution, after seeing the video, still chose to pursue 1st degree murder as opposed to a lesser charge (manslaughter, 2nd degree, etc.,)? Also, were there ever any charges for the other victims (ie., attempted murder?).
Because he deliberately chose to stay when told numerous times to just leave and already had the knife in his hands before he punched the female. Please watch opening statements if you really want to know what state and defence want to proof in this trial.
@@katjathefranknfurter2374the teens could have also. They could have just shut their mouths and called it a day but alcohol tends to make people rowdy, especially people at this age, while lowering your inhibitions and making you feel invincible. Miu initially had the knife in his pocket. It was only after he'd started being harassed and berated while surrounded by first 6 people which quickly turned to 17 people that he felt the need to defend himself.
These are definitely not the brightest prosecutors and the defense attorneys are condescending. This case should be an example to people to not put yourselves in harms way. It seems like the defendant knew how to harm people. In mere seconds hed injured several severely and killed another. Someone without knowledge on how to harm people couldn't have done what he done. He should've just went on down the river. The kids shouldn't have taunted him and just went down the river. Totally avoidable.
Drunk out of control, teenagers attack, an elderly man the two women were high and drunk and out of control and violently attacked the older man they get caught so many times in their testimonies lying that is ridiculous.
The ex-wife said he was looking for jewelry in the water. I'd never think to do that myself, but I guess it's not that different from searching for jewelry in beach sand. Maybe he said he was looking for "little jewels"? Of course, that's mere speculation on my part, but that could sound a lot like "little girls" if he has an accent. It's absolutely horrible how this all went down.
Wow so all there witness all saw different things but all see the same thing lining all with each other at the same time over a year later All these lies this poor man needs to be released the whole case is compromised
Was that the who got hit? Sorry step to a man , then take all consequences like a man. This fool who kept hitting him . Bozo.. Sorry this is self defense. Those teenagers wouldn't leave him alone. Hes not guilty. Was anyone else charged with anything for their part?
Miu is guilty. He could have left at any time. He also charged at the boys and aggressively with the other party. He is an adult. He should have left no matter what someone said to him. He is a murderer and needs to go to jail..
It's also scary being a teenager and having some creepy guy come up and grab your things and touch your legs. That's the kind of stuff your parents warn you about...
@@EastmanEditing Just curious. . . how would this help the defense? Permitting the witnesses to watch allows for each witness to tailor their stories now, even if the new stories conflict with their prior police statements.
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! They have the audacity to actually say the exact OPPOSITE of what appears on the video slides. "You see I had to push him down into the water twice to stop him...I wasn't the aggressor...I don't know I couldn't see my hair was in my eyes " 🙄
The defense continues to catch them in lies. And then they conviently forget. The are not survivors or victims they are at fault 1000%
The jury got it right!
@kristycrow9586 What about mui's lies...that's what really screwed him. It showed his consciousness of guilt, which is a legal form of circumstantial evidence used to show his awareness that he knew he engaged in blameworthy conduct. Not intentional, but in hindsight, he knew he had no need, or right, to do what he did. It's very sad. He was not in shock. People in shock don't do or say what he said and did.
@@SC-ls3iv And what about the constant lies and lies and lies and lies Of the kids Oh wait they were kids so it's OK right. Because doing dope And drinking Is a kid thing to do now ad as
@kristycrow9586 doesn't apply. They didn't start gutting, stabbing, and killing. Read the law. They weren't hiding a crime of murder and attempted murder. Big, huge difference
I would not want to be on this jury. What a mess.
Where is the beginning of this days court proceedings? It starts with a witness already on the stand answering questions
On the channel check the "Live" tab, not the "Video" tab
the prosecution is horrendous!
So many selective memories on that stand.
Alcohol + Trauma does not equal solid memories.
@@EastmanEditing The defendant is the one who was traumatized.
@@torreyintahoe 😿🙄
@@EastmanEditing Unless you think that being assaulted my a mob of drunk football players, having to defend your life and then being charged for murder by a corrupt DA isn't traumatizing. Maybe you're different.
@@torreyintahoeThe defendant killed one kid and almost killed at least 2 others. They are ALL traumatized, but he got out of it unscathed physically so….
Looked to me like the group tried to mob this fella and then found out
These the same kids who thought they were cool till it got real now they play victim
They were stabbed and one kid is dead
Just thought I’d put the Wisconsin statute here because lots of people in the chat seem to think this an obvious case of “murder” just from the fact he stabbed them;
939.48 Self-defense and defense of others.
(1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.
So keeping the law in mind, you have to ask yourself when being pushed down in a river, punched in the head and attacked by a mob of drunken 17-24 yo’s who are accusing you of being a child raper, if a reasonable person in that situation, as in being attacked in the moment, would believe their life was in imminent danger.
Has to be found not guilty.
Guilty!
@@sherireedy329 hopefully the jury follows the law and not emotions.
It stays so difficult. If I was the mom of Isaac, I would also want somebody to pay. Nicolae.
But in this scenario, it went so horrific terribly wrong. So many sides.
First group of 6.
Second group of 5.
Being surrounded by a mob of 13, I also would have used my knife, if I had a knife.
Isaac had his both hands around the throat of Nicolae.
Pfff, this stays so difficult. A mom lost her son.
@@sherireedy329 You mo ron
Surrounded by over 12 PEOPLE!!!!! Attacked!!!! SELF DEFENSE - CASE CLOSED -
Attacked? With words?
@@baibpranincitement is not just words. Your opinion matters but the laws facts trump that. Stay tuned in for final verdict.
It’s clearly self defense
Just think if it was you and you had 13 attackers coming at you for no reason other than they enjoyed video the assault 😢😢😢
Sickening kids
@@paulbryant68 I’m staying tuned for the verdict! Are you?
Law & Crime,
Thank you for airing this but PLEASEEEEE figure out the audio. The frequent changing of the volume. Raising it up high is terrifying and hard to watch. My volume is at a reasonable level but it’s raised to hear the attorney then the witness speaks and he’s shouting so loud. Please just leave.
Sincerely,
A big fan 😊
That’s not a law and crime problem lol. That’s a court problem. law and crime can’t just change the audio every few seconds when each person speaks. Think about what you said!! The court sets this stuff up.
@@GhostPepperMeg you’re probably right lol but I just want it to stop 😩
That lady (formerly Mrs. Miu) witnessed her husband visit a group, then people getting CPR, and she didn't ask what the f*** was happening??
Seriously! I can’t believe the prosecutor is letting her get away with this selective memory crap. What did you think happened lady?!
She’s a liar.
@@ChrundleTGreat Oh so like all of the kids then?
I doubt The Defense will request a psychological on their client as the probability of the result, will be evidnce for THE STATE. Certainly was poor action to drag multiple witnesses for the Defense into a courtroom. THEN ALL DEFENSE WITTNESSES CALLED BEFORE THE JUDGE AS A GROUP AND REPREMANDED FOR VIEWING LIVE TESTIMONY ON A CELL PHONE!
I thought the same thing. My guess she knows he’s a hot head.
Does the prosecution have at least one credible witness lol
I feel completely different about the situation after seeing the video. Yes, Miu seemed odd approaching the younger group with his goggles in hand. But the group of boys acted like a pack of hyenas --- taunting, surrounding, bullying him, and Jawahn Cockfield was one the main instigators, encouraging the pack-like behavior. --- It seems like Jawahn and the other individuals should face repercussions for creating this intense situation.
Me too. I’ve changed to not guilty.
Mr Mui's life is literally ruined by what Jawahn Cockfield initiated. And Jawahn Cockfield has gone on to living his "successful" college life. SMH......
@@mimimartinIt’s always the usual you know who’s. Every. Single. Time. Just stay away from them at all costs.
@butterboy9027 well that's not really what I meant. It could have totally been a you. Know. Who. Of the other sort. But it just kills me that he could start so much BS (because he DID) and then just be allowed to go about his life as if nothing happened.
@@mimimartin If COULD have been, yes - but statistically very unlikely. I’m one who likes to use a functioning brain and be a noticer of things.
Hey fellas let this be a lesson…
A lesson is getting grounded or getting a ticket or even getting arrested.. not witnessing your best friend get murdered and other people’s stomachs literally fall out
@@FloralNotes4no, a lesson on how to be a sober, decent human being rather than an antagonizing bully who finds power in mobs.
YOU WERE BULLYING THIS MAN! NONE OF THESE KIDS ARE INNOCENT.
They were still kids and they never said they were innocent, that does not give him the right to stab multiple people if he had to use a knife then why did he not just stop after stabbing one he carried on and that led to a kids death and that one kid that did die never laid a finger on him
Im confused - so everyone in his group saw that he stabbed the kids and then they just returned to their tubes and continued down the river for a little bit before leaving?
No, if you look at the x wife’s testimony at 5:08:20 she says they all stayed there while the police came and everything, returning to the tubes after the whole ordeal was over and police had already talked to them ect.
Right, crazy!! Said they stayed 20 minutes. Wife was not concerned about anything! Smh 🤦♀️
@@sherireedy329 What? I don’t understand what you guys think happened… she’s saying she stayed 20 minutes after the police arrived, which is about the time it’d take for them to take down the identity and/or statements of everyone there (assuming it was multiple police) and for the first responders to take away the injured ones. Why would she stay longer than it took for authorities to deal with the situation? What else is there for her to do there? Are you like expecting it to be some dramatic movie where she drops to her knees while the rain comes down and she cries facing the sky for an hour after everyone’s left?
Thats not what happened
If Miu was punched twice, shouldn’t he have been checked out by the Emt’s instead of floating down a river? Will the police who conducted the interview with Miu be called as a witness?
If it was self defense why did he hide the knife? Why did he act like he didn't know what happened to police? Why change clothes?
Exactly…you should see his initial interview with police; FULL of lies! He also told his party AFTER he threw away the knife, that the boys STOLE his knife 😑
EXACTLY!!!
Guilt, fear, not understanding the full scope of the situation and knowing you were terrified but thinking no one will believe you..m
I'm not there yet in the trial but I think his best defense is I didnt think anyone would believe me. After seeing there was a video I regret my past lies and want to tell the truth should be his defense. After watching the video and getting to his ex wife, I'm just finding out from your comment he lied on and going on your statement for him lying about it
He was scared.
Who bought the beer, alcohol and pot for these minors.
You’re forgetting the part where the old guy killed a 17 year old boy. You know that happened, right!
@@mwatts6755u know 13vs1
Who would believe that a grown man in daylight is going be looking under 2 foot of water for little girls. The man recording started shouting lies. With the teen boys n mob mentality it made the women concerned. I believe Nic said he was looking for a girl’s phone. Not little girls.
The one with the fake ID. 🤣The one brunette was 23 then I think.I was being sarcastic
@@Piat65 no. The dad of the two adult boys admits on stand he bought the beers
Lady with pink hair is wrong and strong. She seems to have absolutely no doubt in her ability to recollect the incident, but is also so mistaken on many aspects.
Between her and the previous witness they were horrible, don’t know why the state would call them!
Chat is awful. This is a trial and every witness is going to be a regular ol' human who's not used to being on tv or speaking publicly. I'd love to see AND hear everyone in the chat mocking all the victims looks and voices. Guarantee 99% of the a-holes are 100x worse than all of the things they're nitpicking on. Especially anyone older in age. Most people outgrow mocking a victim's looks by their early 20's, but if you're still judging people on their clothes and faces and voices in your middle aged or later years you have some inner work to do.
@@Htrabaluap24 yep I get that it's just disappointing. Somehow I still have a lot of hope for humanity and always assume the vast majority of people aren't judgmental but I never seem to learn after all these years haha.
You sound judgmental to middle aged or older people.
@@jeniwhitt481 I am middle aged. That's why I am so adamant that this man was just as immature as the drunk teens he refused to walk away from. And also why I am so saddened/sickened by the chat. I expect this behavior from poorly raised drunk teens, but there's no excuse once you enter middle age and beyond. I don't excuse the teen's behavior either to be clear, and find it vile and cruel. It doesn't warrant what ultimately transpired due to Nic's refusal to back down and retreat from the drunk boys.
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@@EastmanEditingI think to be fair we don't know how his culture comes in to play. Russians are odd characters 🤷♀️
Did he really say he was looking for little girls? Did he really punch the girl? Or is that what has been talked about, so it must have happened. Doesn't match any of the initial interviews.
I personally (no factual evidence or proof, just personal opinion) wonder if it was one of a few possible scenarios:
1. He was simply misunderstood because he was muttering or speaking softly, but actually said something like, "I'm looking for a girl's phone..." (most likely without any video/audio proof)
2. The teen videoing everything simply pretended to "hear" him say that when he ignored them and didn't respond because he thought it would be funny since he claimed the man was acting weird. (Also very plausible considering how drunk teen boys tend to act when they have too much confidence)
3. Or...Mui was immediately on the defense the moment the teens asked him what he was doing, (maybe they asked it in a rude way) so he hurled an insult at THEM first, such as, "I don't have to tell you what i'm looking for, little girls..." And they misunderstood him but picked up on the hostile vibes so decided to take it too the next level in retaliation.
(obviously that last one is a huge speculative leap, but it's possible since he seems like the snarky type with his smirking and refusal to back down or retreat even after 12/13 people started surrounding him)
They have evidence that she was punched in the face but the police didn’t use or need it due to the fact it ended in a death
its awesome hearing a judge pronouncing voir dire correctly
Those scars should remind you not create a scene to intimidate individuals anymore.
These witnesses get caught in so many lies it’s crazy.
Mr Miu‘s friend you are ?
He lied admitted it. You are all strange defending a liar
@@MrPregnant3D as did he when he told police they had the knives and they killed each other
So many people here (Americans?) siding with the defendant. All he had to do was walk away and leave things be and his life would have gone on as normal.
And that is literally all that both groups of younger people had to do as well
@@jeffa847he had no reason to be near the group of boys none whatsoever and the fact he was touching them is weird, he had other intentions that what he’s told the police
Those punk Bullies should be in prison! It's sad that this kid lost his life but, HIS FRIENDS are all responsible for that!
Amen
Wonder if this would have been taken to trial without the video. Everyone is so inconsistent with their memories.
Par for the course. Chat/comments seem to think every person/witness has a prefect memory/recollection
Learning how to que and play videos should be part of the bar exam!
*queue
My son said he should come up with a system for all courts because every trial we watch has video issues.
...and to speak into microphones
I am shocked by the attitude of the wife on the stand. She's defiant and rude. I so wonder how the jurors are taking her.
Lol and all the young adults involved aren’t defiant, and lying to most questions?
I take her as someone who doesn’t want to be there reliving a horrible tragedy that was probably a catalyst in uprooting her life.
@@travispratt6327I feel the same.
Se sounded like she really loved him and humanized him a bit. Reluctant with the prosecution but perhaps balanced out by what the defense got out of it.
He divorced her FYI so maybe that has something to do with it because she also lied to the cops so that's why she's now finally trying to be on his side.
Omg “where is he located in relation to you”. No relation , I don’t know him. These witnesses are sharp as tacks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She said she has a hearing deficit.
@@mikebarker6979just like she doesn't know her left and rights 😂 you got to be smarter than that. She's trying to help the prosecution
@@mikebarker6979please comment on my got vs have grammar. I can't wait any longer
I said OMG at the same thing. My son said she has trouble hearing, so we replayed the video. I think she she is more learning impaired than hearing impaired.
@@baberRuthI'm 51 and have issues with knowing my left and right asdo my youngest child (18) it happens
Legal duty to retreat....WI is not a stand your ground state.... when he came back and initialized the contact self defense went out the door...also he could have retreated after first stabbing
Legal duty to retreat is only in the northeast, though I agree this SHOULD be a situation where the defense clearly should have retreated since he had so many opportunities throughout the 10-15 minute encounter. Everyone on his side seems to have only watched the edited video clip of the main event without any knowledge about what lead up to the climax and who is who or what is being said. They are all screaming for him to leave and just go back to his friends. The teens called him names prior to that, but also in between yelled at him to stop and to leave them alone and "go away." They weren't' trying to exert authority and tell a man he couldn't be on a public river like so many are trying to claim, they just wanted him to leave their vicinity and let them pass and continue down the river. He even had a window of opportunity AFTER he was shoved and hit when the first "mediator" stepped in to try to stop the fight. Everyone stepped back and turned away from him, but he lunged at them and started stabbing.
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@@EastmanEditing💯💯💯
Watch the video. He was retreating before they surrounded him. And the attackers retreated after the stabbing . Self defense.
@@isailevilopez5134no one surrounded him. He REACHED OUT to stab people. Guilty guilty guilty.
Crocs are house shoes they’re not to wear to work or court or anywhere else that isn’t home
Oh gross was someone wearing them in court? 🤮
They aren't house shoes!! You may think the clog one look like them but they have many many more than just the Clogs. I have several pair of sandals that definitely don't look like house shoes! 🤷♀️😄
Kids these days don't understand the meaning of respect.... Or left and right 🤣
Thanks shoe police 🙄🤡
These are some top notch lawyers. Haha You kidding me with these clowns.
I'm beginning to think that the young folks were so high and drunk that they are now convinced that they saw things that didn't happen.
Mess around and found out. Accountability
Yep. And now he has plenty of time to sit and think about the unacceptable actions he took that day🤷🏾♀️ at least the jury got it right because his actions before, during, and after the incident all the way to on the stand did not portray those of someone who had to self defend in such a way to cut up multiple people and take a life from the earth and potentially take a few more... Glad justice is being served ⚖️
That wasn't justice in that rigged trial where everyone in the area knows each other, drinks together and probably sleeps with each other. Those "witnesses" trying to keep their lies straight and not even able to do that after 2 years of trying to remember their lies. Instead of Cheese Heads those people in Wisconsin should call themselves Dead Heads after that sham.
Your not that bright @nateboogable
@@melissapeters9820 have you ever been jumped and feared for your life probably not that's why you have a opinion
Without the video we'd have no idea what happened. The eyewitness testimony is demonstrably unreliable. People do not get a free pass to do whatever they want because they're under 18 and have chosen to drink irresponsibly. Once Miu was punched, downed, and punched again he had the legal right to defend himself against the dozen people who were tormenting him. He wasn't required to ascertain their ages or genders and hold back on either account.
Exactly! Most people in the chats act as if these kids did nothing wrong. And each of them on the stand take zero accountability for what they did that day. Not to mention they have selective memory.
@@MsK_1111 kids did plenty wrong in this but they didnt escalate it to a life or death situation, he did, wrongfully, and there is a reason Rambo has been sitting in jail for 2 years and not out on bail, figure it out
@@pdaddyg6846 They literally escalated it to a life or death situation.
Agree
How did he not bond out ?!
Before I saw the video, I watched the prosecutions opening statements. Was sure he was guilty. But then I saw the video. It’s sad and tragic, but the kids started this fight by knocking him down, punching him in the face, and taunting him the meanwhile. He was outnumbered by a lot. I’d vote not guilty.
Agree
He hit the girl first. He started it, he approached, he killed. Nothing but words to defend himself of and he spoke not a single word.
Guilty
Agree
@@sherireedy329yet no video of him hitting or punching or slapping this blonde chic. And no pic of her swollen left eye, or was it her right eye? And where the video of him saying anything about looking for little girls? Are you paying attention or are you that broke?
@@sherireedy329did you see the girl get punched?
But why did the defendant run up to the boys like that to start with ?
One theory is he thought they had his friend's phone
Oh
Exactly. He made initial contact and kept coming back. Technically him holding their rafts like that could be considered kidnapping under their state laws.
@@shilobutton5485then when he was touching their legs is because he lost snorkel/goggles and they would stirring the water to make it difficult for him to find anything
I saw that also ~ someone’s leg swishes around while he’s reaching down for his goggles, I think one of the kids possibly got the goggles w/foot and tossed backwards which is why Nic walked around the tubes to the other side and reached in the water.
The woman with pink hair was obviously lying and has no credibility.
Yep, clearly a liar. Really pretty hair though, makes her look like a model
@@bnope5t Come on! 🤣
How?
@@bnope5tA super size model 😂😅🐷
Did you see her look at the prosecutors every time she answered a question from defence??? She needs to get some validation that she answered "correctly" because she's lying!
murder is proved i believe. he pulled the knife out before anyone touched him and he had ample opportunity to put it away and walk away, and he knew stabbing would cause grave injury. guilty
I was getting such a kick out of yesterday as all the kids come to court and blatantly lie saying "he said he was looking for little girls"....yeah, sure he did buddy!
He did say it, it didn’t get on the video…why would the kid lie about him say something like that?
@@sandihulbert5902 I don't believe he said it. I think the kids thought they could bully someone because they were high and drunk and showing off for each other.
Maybe he said he was ‘looking for the goggles’ ?🤔
@@sandihulbert5902 None of them told the police he said that. It was a story they concocted after the fact.
@@kazapthegreat5306 actually, a very valid point..
The kids definitely instigated this and their behavior was disgusting!!! Where I struggle with the self defence is 1. if he was worried at the outset, he could've headed back up stream to his group while the kids were all still sitting in their tubes floating downstream.. he didn't attempt to remove himself from the situation, rather he chose to pursue it by rushing them. 2. He didn't even attempt to talk to any of the parties involved or ask for help or yell at them he wants to leave, it looks like nobody is home in the videos. 3. At the point he felt threatened enough to pull the knife out, he never attempted to make it known or threaten them with it in order to get them to back off and let him go back to his group. He instead chose to start stabbing.
Yes but they were starting to beat him up in the water , way I see it he was on his back and panicked. Kids didn’t realize the possibility which is him drowning after every teenager feels there oats on guy they think is worst kind of person . Any adult in this situation would be in bad spot , these kids were telling the other groups he’s hurting kids , at first the guys just looking for his phone and he smiled has they heckled him he was foolish but they kind of baited him too .
I feel bad for the mom that kid and the older guy on trial everyone else got back exactly what they put out into the universe and ring leader got away only being traumatized emotionally
Issck
He didn’t have any reason to believe his life was in imminent danger before they started pushing him to the ground and punching him in the head, that’s when he made the decision using his knife was necessary to eliminate the threat. Now if he had started stabbing while they were just yelling, prior to them actually jumping him, agreed it wouldn’t be self defense. It’s also illegal to threaten with weapons unless you feel your life is in imminent danger, and again, he did not believe that until after being jumped. If he had threatened before it was clear his life was in imminent danger and they backed off, he could have been charged.
So, you think it's okay to physically attack someone bc you want to know what they're doing & they don't answer or speak to you? Self entitled much? Nosey much?
These prosecution witnesses are blatantly committing perjury. It’s truly despicable.
Wonder how you’re gonna feel when you hear Mui’s interrogation. Unbelievable lies from start to finish! Lol
Not knowing there would be proof disputing everything. Almost every single word lol
At least the victims were traumatized and may have misspoke a right hand or left hand. Nothing blatant at all. Picture yourself going through what they did. You’d not be thinking too clearly or caring what you said being interviewed with their guts hanging out
Clearly you've never been in a situation like this in anyway
I’ve been in situation like the miu when I was these kids age and he likely wouldn’t be here being accused of what they told other groups . He would’ve drowned after being beaten by more than 12 people
@@Gingerbeom like what? High and drunk and filming for the internet?
Someone doesn’t know what perjury is and isn’t.
The witness claims it could have all been solved if Miu tried to use words. It doesn't sound like anyone was interested in his side anyway. From the video it seems to me that Miu started walking towards the women because he thought they were an unbias party coming over to help. He starts pointing back in an attempt to explain something but was immediately met with a verbal attack. In that moment he realizes they were not there to help him or even mediate the situation. Now he is in a situation where he has two groups of people being aggressive towards him. I think he was so nervous and/or scared that he couldn't really say anything. Not that anything he could have said would have miraculously made those two groups behave civilly.
I thought the same thing. They said he was smiling in the video, but to me he looks worried. He is trying not to look weak because when bullies see weakness, they pounce harder.
Agreed
@@jeniwhitt481he was wincing.
It's astonishing to me that the second group started getting into it with Miu too.
If i see an older man with a roudy group of teens, i would go over to see if said man needed help not the group of teens.
It is really weird that Nik didn’t say anything during this whole ordeal. He looks really out of it the entire time. I’m still watching but do we know how intoxicated he was?
2 beers
According to him. Did he have his blood alcohol level checked when he was arrested? One would think this is pertinent information..
I was thinking the same thing for somebody smart enough to speak five languages wasn’t saying a word
@@EternalPresidentRIGHT?!? This is the real question. I want to know what else was in his blood. Coke maybe? IDK his behavior was sus.
@@EternalPresident maybe since they were already taunting him he didnt want themto hear his accent and add fuel to the fire
I think the most disturbing thing is after all of this in order to get to the end the man's entire group would have had to float past all the blood and stabbing victims. 😮 SICK shame on all of them
I believe that they were down stream of the incident.
They were on the other side of the river, down stream.
@@ChrundleTGreat I'm not sure why you're both saying that. Nick's group was upstream in all the images i've seen. Happy to be corrected though.
@@LegendLengthwouldn’t his group being down stream make more sense. I could be wrong too. But he was looking for a lost phone. So they must have already gone past that spot? And when he turned to walk away he was heading downstream to where the boys would have continued to float.
If you look at the video and even the defense’s diagram, Nic’s group was on the other side of the river, but definitely upstream.
Who thinks the defendant will testify
His attorney said he would in opening statements FWIW
funny that mui didn't want to report the life threatening experience he had just endured to the police
YOU NEVER HEAR the teenagers screaming "help" on the recordings BUT his wife testified that Nicoli was upset with her and his group for NOT hearing HIS screams for HELP!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😒
Mui never screamed for help and they already testified and other witnesses that the teens were yelling for help before Mr. Cockfield started recording.
This judge is a real stickler and super sarcastic to the lawyers
Sarcasm is how you speak Midwestern, don’cha know?
Davis added nothing but shade. Why call him? And pink haired lady is hyperventilating she is so nervous. She saw Miu clearly but didn't see her friend pushing him?
She is on the spectrum somewhere
What is up with the small table for the defense? the defendant can't even write down anything.
This is the cheapest courtroom i have ever seen
@@drc512… Agree. No view in the courtroom from the front wall to back. No view of mui’s reaction of the testimony.
The defence attorney with hair looks kinda like Chris Watts
It’s awful how these young men bullied that older gentleman. These young boys should be facing charges not the old guy.
So you’re ok with murder and assault ? Not saying the name calling was okay.. but you believe name calling is worse than murder?? Ok.
I don’t like the Sheena girl. She has no clue. At least one woman has hands on Nic but she says she knows it didn’t happen. Things she says that didn’t happen, actually DID happen. Strange the witnesses only remember what they want to.
She doesn’t know left from right
@@Piat65another girl did not either.
All the kids are untruthful and did what they could to justify their criminal actions.
@@HingleMacCringleberry Positively absofreakinglutely
Oh she's a strange one. And she answers her questions like it happened yesterday or at least she rehearsed what the others said since yesterday.
the Defense attorney chewing lil lying homeboy up, no wonder he didn’t wanna be recorded. Mr. Davis
I don’t know, but running up to someone isn’t as crimey as mobs putting hands on someone
Every single state witness is helping the defense! Never seen anything like it. Then again these defense attorneys are brilliant.
This young man is a terrible witness for the prosecution
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The defendant and his wife divorced to save their estate in the event he is sued. I bet they divorced for that sake only.
Yes exactly and she wears her wedding band. Looking as she does and with her demeanour prospects for her will undoubtedly be very very limited.
Weird that Miu's friend was concerned he'd look like a ped0 and the teens thought he was a ped0. Doesn't mean the mob should surround him and attack him without thinking he might fight back. I think he's not guilt because of the mob... but something doesn't sit right with this guy.
Appears Judge Harry from NYC "Night Court" decided to move to Wisconsin...
Exact anology
This case is entitled to a Directed Verdict! Were the State witnesses who had prior felonies, threatened somehow bc they sounded scared especially, pink hair girlie!
pretty blown away by all the nasty comments in here it’s clear that Miu is a psychopath who was looking for trouble. He came to stir up trouble, and he traumatized these young adults and children. Yes, 17-year-olds are children. The proof is on the video. Anybody can’t see that this is guilty is beyond me. I agree the prosecution is terrible, but the case is strong.
Once you start pushing people then you’re asking for trouble!
Is that one girl with the long last name in her Yoga outfit? For court? These kids nowadays! She came to court in her workout gear!
I worked in the court system for years and was shocked by what people of all ages wore to court! Sometimes they show up drunk and or high, wearing a t shirt with a pot leaf, when they’re already in trouble for alcohol/drugs. Some wear pi’s and others wear club clothes. It was like a show every day in court!
And Croccs. Oy vey.
I was quite surprised myself. And she’s a professional, a phlebotomist. I would have expected a more appropriate outfit but to each their own! I was on jury duty and couldn’t believe the way ppl were dressed. Witnesses and fellow jurors alike.
Seems self defense this was becoming a lench mob
Its not illegal to call someone names. A grown adult is not allowed to put his hands on minors under the age of 18. He put his hands on 2 of them and then hit a woman before they did anything. Kinda funny to stab people for doing something you just did to them multiple times....
@@XoxJasonReynoldsxoX A grown adult is not allowed to put his hands on anyone really. He started swinging his knife after they grabbed him by the neck, pushed him down in the water, etc. It's definitely not a clear cut case, considering USA has strong self defense laws. He would be guilty of manslaughter or "causing the death of another" by the laws in my country (sweden), because he didn't attempt as hard as he could to get away from the situation before using lethal violence.
the guys in chat are absolute clowns.
The kids didn’t act perfectly but anyone who thinks this was self-defense is TOTALLY NUTS.
He repeatedly walked towards the kids, despite them telling him to leave them alone. He stayed, touched a woman, got pushed a few times, then reacts by stabbing 5 people with no warning?
Then he flees the scene and after he’s caught LIES to police and tells them it was the KIDS who attacked HIM with knives?? PLEASE
Why don't u watch the trial u might learn what happened
Whatever statements he made or however he acted after the event are really irrelevant to whether he was acting in self defense when he stabbed them.
Person filming is to blame fully
Sorry but have you actually been paying attention. Know the facts 🙈
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These kids are def lying
The x wife said she saw no blood but the river video had blood pools in it.
I’m so confused did they continue tubing while cpr was going on?
@@Piat65 It’s weird you guys try to equivocate on someone saying they didn’t notice something with people confidently describing in detail things we know just did not happen. I mean one of the witnesses today even flat out said he told police details he did not know were true, that’s called a lie. You can’t say “he punched her!” Then say “well he could have I don’t know”… that is not equivalent to saying I didn’t notice any blood in a flowing river.
lol they erasing my comment not guilty
N fine if they’re lying the Mui was lying when he said he was looking for a phone. Looks to me like he was groping at the boys on the tubes. When u act cringy and stare/smirk at people WITHOUT saying a word, yeah it’s creepy. All he had to do was not aggressively run at the kids. He was the adult, he should’ve walked away.
These ‘victims’ all have very selective memories.
Not guilty! The kids instigated this and should be held accountable .
you might be delusional. miu punched a young lady and that was the only reason he was jumped. and before you say “oh it’s justified because the girl touched him” DID HE NOT touch the young boys in the beginning of the video? so does that mean they’re justified for beating him up because miu touched them? you are very deranged. NAME CALLING AND TAUNTING DOES NOT EXCUSE MURDER. AND IF U TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE VIDEO he was holding the knife in his hand before any altercation began of pushing or touching. he knew what he was there to do and that was to kill. he had ample opportunity to leave if he felt so “threatened” but he did not because his ego was hurt. not only that but out of the 5 people stabbed some were completely innocent and did not have anything to do with the altercation. he was not “afraid”, he was angry.
@@jamiejonsueneuWow. They have their opinion and because you disagree with them you start calling them delusional. Unbelievable!
@@sandragraham533 Well this person calls people delusional by copy/pasting the same text to quite a few comments. And writing "he knew what he was there to do and that was to kill" is a pretty huge red flag in regard to having any reasonable fibre.
But he shouldn't be held responsible?
Do people know what its like to be a bully , the people getting bullied do crazy things 🤔. Getting pushed untill they crack . 😅 dude had enough.
These people are all collaborating with each other
Regardless, the older gentleman should have enough sense to just walk away. Had plenty of opportunities but didn't. Should have never hit the girl to begin with. Lied about having a knife, then said he took it from one of the victims who clearly never had one. After stabbing multiple people just walks away and changes into something making him look as if he wanted to be disguised. Guy just should have stayed away! Couldn't handle some punk kids heckling him. Guilty!!!!
It's as simple as this but people who didn't watch any of the trial think otherwise. The guy initiated all contact and violence as well as continuing to harass the kids and even under law, technically, false imprisoning them by grabbing their rafts.
He also wasn't alone, the other gentleman from his party was pointed out in multiple photos. So saying he was scared and alone just adds to the lies. Ridiculous. Weird he's now divorced as well.
@@jeffdavidson2390 His friend didn't show up until Nic's wife asked him to go check on him. Nic had already been hit and pushed into the water. His ex-wife even stated she loves him the same as when they were married. Some defendants get divorced to protect the assets of their spouse.
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I 100% agree with you....he is an adult and should have just left the youngsters alone to start with, why go over to them and start causing crap. Who goes into the river, with a knife in your pocket...intentions to use it? When things got heated, he should have walked away. No matter what was said, it doesn't make stabbing people and killing one....right. Sorry...guilty (and I have been watching every day of the trial)!
Why did Nic not retreat back to his group before the escalation? His ex wife admitted that he went back twice? Did he go back to his group the first time to get a knife? Wisconsin law probably does not have stand your ground laws which would require Nic to retreat if possible (he went back twice so clearly he had the opportunity to retreat) before using deadly force. Prosecution seems inexperienced and the defense is failing to establish the imminent threat threshold required for an acquittal. Sad mostly for those injured and murdered in this case.
He was looking for a lost phone I believe they said.
Not to mention, the video shows him charging the group. While the teens did escalate and have a pack mentality - he had an opportunity to walk away.
@@johannawebley4101 He still could have stepped aside for 30-60 seconds and waited for the unruly teens to pass by rather than letting them get to his ego. There was no reason for him to refuse to walk away after he stopped their tubes from continuing down the river. Most mature folks would've rolled their eyes or yelled something snarky back at the kids and carried on with their lives rather than feeling for their pocket knife the moment someone hurls a weak insult their way. I float almost every weekend in the summer and there was absolutely no reason for him to stick around. It would've maybe taken a minute out of his day to step aside and ignore the kids while they passed, but instead he reacted like someone who isn't capable of controlling their emotions.
@@EastmanEditing I'm not justifying what he did. I was just answering the question about why he was there. He should have just ignored/avoided them and they should have never started taunting and pushing and bullying him. I was just providing context because I was watching the trial and they said he was looking for the phone, he also lost his snorkel.
@@johannawebley4101 gotcha! Sorry I jumped to conclusions. I think this is one of the hardest cases without seeing every second of footage because so many people acted out and if any one of the 2 groups and/or Nic stepped back or didn't get involved to begin with, this wouldn't have happened.
(and just leaving this here for reference for other readers, not as a direct response: Nic was originally looking for a friend's phone with his goggles/snorkel set. The teens wound up next to him while he was snorkeling in shallow, 1 foot deep water, and they seemingly were weirded out by this and asked him what he was doing. I'm not sure they asked in a polite tone, but also not sure if they were simply being friendly and curious as there's no video/audio evidence. Shortly after this, based on recorded timelines, Nic lost his snorkel while lunging at the teen's while they were floating by in their tubes. He first has the snorkel/goggle set in his teeth, then drops it in the water while he's yanking on their tubes. This still doesn't mean that he couldn't have simply stepped aside or up onto the bank while he waited for them to pass, after which he could have resumed his search for the phone and his snorkel.)
Nicholae should be found Not Guilty ... Those boys attacked him.
He approached them first...what was his intentions, with a knife in his pocket? Why didn't he just leave the youngsters alone in the first place.
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“Youngsters”😂
@@tproudboomer5965 17 year olds are still minors.
@@vickymatthews1872approaching isn’t a crime. He was brutally attacked and THEN defended himself.
@@yonosenada1773No but he assaulted them first by pushing their tubes and touching their legs
Grateful for coverage but whomever is running audio needs to take a beginner class. It’s super unprofessional 😅
NOBODY SCREAMED HELP STOP LYING sorry for the caps but this is ridiculous
This!!!! No one is heard asking for help.
I'm only 4 minutes in but doesn't 1st degree require some premeditation. This was in the midst of a fight? or disagreement? What he did was horribly wrong and he will do time I"m sure but I'm in the early stages of this so.....Okay I'm back after an hour and my opinion has changed. I feel the same about this as I do the Byron Smith case of an ex-marine who was repeatedly robbed and harrassed by teens until he killed them when they broke in his home again after they had already stolen his grandfather's watch. They accussed him of basically "laying a trap for them" like WTF. He did park his truck down the street and left his front door unlocked and waited in the basement for them though. His mistake was he recorded everything and taunted them as he stood over them and shot them and didn't report it until the next morning. I still think they should release him because you don't know what someone with PTSD is capable of and they had tormented this man in his on home and law enforcement wouldn't do anything about it. If this guy gets anything more than a few years I'd be surprised. I'm not soft when it comes to this generation at all. All this coddling and not teaching kids to be respectful is gonna eventually come back to bite parents in the butt.
You’re looking at it from the perspective of the defendant. Who’s to say what a bunch of drunk/stoned teens will do when approached and accused of theft? They warned him to go away and he rushed them, they defended themselves by hitting/pushing him. He could’ve retreated but he stabbed instead. He’ll get 15 years hard time.
1st degree murder + 4 1st degree assault charges. If found guilty, the 1st degree murder charge alone will get him a life sentence. Self defense is proven by the evidence imo. But the jury may see it differently.
Oh he's getting much more then a few years, 6 guilty charges.
All the kids are lying, FAFO! Not guilty!
Psychopath
The prosecution is suborning perjury.
weak man takes
@@notsorryyouretriggered weak minded take
Several of the states witnesses today helped the defense more than they did the state. The sober girl lied about everything and Mr. Williamson was just telling the truth and that truth helped Mr. Mui.
How?
sure
I think the video of the disemboweled guy getting stabbed also helped the defense. It showed him pushing Mui down in the water. Then when the defendant gets up, the guy goes to push him again. As he pushes, Mui stabs him. The momentum of Miu falling back from the push is what causes the upward slicing motion.
She was the only witness that was sober and telling the truth how was she lie-ing
The bitter exwife adds nothing to this trial, she is dense
gotta wonder why his hat and shirt were in the bushes
The kids are to blame.
LOL
@@juliahewett7362 Since that’s so funny to you, imagine every fact the same except Nic having a knife and one of those blows to the head or the push in the water onto a rock ended up killing him, would the mob be responsible?
@@juliahewett7362 I hope you never fight back when you’re attacked.
@@LostHope84I know that was a rude comment by her, but if I were you, I would never wish that on anyone. Karma is real.
He would be dead, therefore no longer a threat to our kids. It would be the right move. You accused mem of thinking this funny.. what a gaslighter you are. a republican I presume. @@travispratt6327
Does anyone know why the prosecution, after seeing the video, still chose to pursue 1st degree murder as opposed to a lesser charge (manslaughter, 2nd degree, etc.,)? Also, were there ever any charges for the other victims (ie., attempted murder?).
Great question, I would like to know as well!
Because he deliberately chose to stay when told numerous times to just leave and already had the knife in his hands before he punched the female. Please watch opening statements if you really want to know what state and defence want to proof in this trial.
@@katjathefranknfurter2374the teens could have also. They could have just shut their mouths and called it a day but alcohol tends to make people rowdy, especially people at this age, while lowering your inhibitions and making you feel invincible. Miu initially had the knife in his pocket. It was only after he'd started being harassed and berated while surrounded by first 6 people which quickly turned to 17 people that he felt the need to defend himself.
@@bethlouden3333 not sure if you know how rivers work, but he was physically preventing them from leaving.
It's amazing that the prosecution never asked if anyone else had a knife. Cause we go tubing all the time and no one has ever brought one 🤔
Watch the whole trial, they ask group 1 if they had a knife.
@@Julesjabberwockymama I must have missed that . Thanks
OooooWE! I am NOT feeling Sandy. What a grump!
These are definitely not the brightest prosecutors and the defense attorneys are condescending.
This case should be an example to people to not put yourselves in harms way. It seems like the defendant knew how to harm people. In mere seconds hed injured several severely and killed another. Someone without knowledge on how to harm people couldn't have done what he done. He should've just went on down the river. The kids shouldn't have taunted him and just went down the river. Totally avoidable.
Drunk out of control, teenagers attack, an elderly man the two women were high and drunk and out of control and violently attacked the older man they get caught so many times in their testimonies lying that is ridiculous.
The ex-wife said he was looking for jewelry in the water. I'd never think to do that myself, but I guess it's not that different from searching for jewelry in beach sand. Maybe he said he was looking for "little jewels"? Of course, that's mere speculation on my part, but that could sound a lot like "little girls" if he has an accent. It's absolutely horrible how this all went down.
Imagine wearing crocs to court - 🙄
The moral of this days testimony is mind your own damn business.
Wow so all there witness all saw different things but all see the same thing lining all with each other at the same time over a year later
All these lies this poor man needs to be released the whole case is compromised
doesn't alcohol contribute to seizures?
Alcohol withdrawal does
I was thinking the same thing.
What made Madison think bozo was going to drop what he was doing because she said so?
Was that the who got hit? Sorry step to a man , then take all consequences like a man. This fool who kept hitting him . Bozo..
Sorry this is self defense. Those teenagers wouldn't leave him alone.
Hes not guilty. Was anyone else charged with anything for their part?
@@RP-nw4rwBullying doesn’t give the green light to stab several people …bottom line.
@@Piat65 It wasn't just bullying. He was pushed and hit many times before he started protecting himself.
Sound guy needs sacking 🙄
They all were drinking! Where are the kids?
Miu is guilty. He could have left at any time. He also charged at the boys and aggressively with the other party. He is an adult. He should have left no matter what someone said to him. He is a murderer and needs to go to jail..
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It's Traumatizing being older and being attached by a bunch of teenagers because they think it's funny.. SELF-DEFENSE
It's also scary being a teenager and having some creepy guy come up and grab your things and touch your legs. That's the kind of stuff your parents warn you about...
“Of course you’re gonna hold your friend’s intestines, he’s your friend. He’s still alive, right?” Said the defense.
I didn't hear him say "He's still alive, right".
@@sandragraham533 sarcasm
So why were all these Witnesses allowed to watch what was going on in the trial before they took the stand
I am wondering the same. If anything, it just helps the defense. So it's not a "fair" testimony no matter which angle you look at it.
@@EastmanEditing Just curious. . . how would this help the defense? Permitting the witnesses to watch allows for each witness to tailor their stories now, even if the new stories conflict with their prior police statements.
Victims are allowed to watch trial, judge rules whether sequestration is allowed or not.
It's a Supreme Court ruling. In most cases witnesses aren't allowed but if you are a victim you are allowed to watch either in person or streaming
Witnesses are kept outside the courtroom until they come to the stand to testify