Serbian 1908 Carbine - Light, Handy, and Chambered for 7x57
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The DWM order placed in 1899 had not provided Serbia with as many rifles as it had wanted, but it would take until 1906 for the Kingdom to arrange another loan to purchase additional arms. This would come from France, and it allowed Serbia to order 30,000 rifles, 10,000 carbines, and 50,000 barrels (which they would use to convert their old 1880 rifles to 7x57) from Steyr in 1908. Delivery was made in full in 1909,plus an additional 2,530 rifles and carbines were shipped in 1910 and 1911 - presumably a contract overrun Steyr offered to the Serbs at a good price.
The rifles were basically identical to the previous DWM 1899 guns, with an improved rear sight designed by one Filip Petrovic and a gas relief hole milled in the underside of the bolt body. The carbines were the first such arms that Serbia had bought, but aside from the shorter barrel (17.6 inch / 448mm) and the bent bolt handle, they were mechanically identical to the 99/07 rifles.
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The Serbian 1908 Mauser carbine has to be one of my favorite Mausers ever made. It's definitely one of the best looking. Oh how I would love to get my hands on such a rare and beautiful carbine.
The real reason for WW1 was that the Austro-Hungarian army tried to do the same.
Good gun s
Sve sačuvane bi trebalo vratiti u Srbiju, jer nema kuće koja nije izgubila bar jednog člana u Prvom svetskom ratu. Samo mojih rođaka je poginulo 12.
I really like the carbines with the full length stocks. They just look so cool.
Jeremiah Parris and you really get the best of both👍🏽
Jeremiah Parris but they are heavy af
That is indeed one slick carbine.
Austria gave them the money for the mauser rifles.
Austria sold them rifle and carbines.
Austra declared war on them, starting a 4 year world war.
*O* *K*
It was due to the 2 different royal dynasties, one was friendlier with Austria while the other sought allies in France and Russia
Same story can be said for US and terrorists.
US gave them the money for weapons.
US trained them.
US declared war on them(after alleged terrorist attack) and invaded their homeland.
O K
Kosta M. For the US, it is worse. Austria was seeking retribution for the assassination of their Archduke and his wife. We can make arguments that the conditions leading to the assassination were the fault of imperialist policy but the Archduke from what I understand was more open to autonomous rule for the Balkans and the entangling alliance system and the international banking system made matter far worse than they had to be.
I personally believe dueling would have been a better answer.
He might have wanted some change, but in reality any change was highly unlikely.
Hungary was strongly against any form of federalization since they would loose territory.
WW1 was more or less inevitable, in my opinion Germany is primary nation to blame.
Since without their support AH would have never declared war on Serbia, also Germany managed to drag into the war France, Russia, UK and US.
They should have just backed down and allowed Russia and Serbia to carve already weak nation like AH, and in the end annex German majority regions.
Ironically too, Russia received a lot of Arisakas from Japan as aid during WWI, when only 10 years before the two countries were at war.
4:15 That is the royal monogram of King Peter I. Not sure why it's engraved on the buttstock, though.
Бајомир cool
Beacause he was king of serbia during ww1 before yugoslavia
My grandfather(my fathers father) served for six years in ww2. 1940-46. He sent back a lot of cool stuff and a LOT of interesting firearms. This video caught my attention as this is the precise rifle he sent back in 43' I believe it was. He was in France at the time, and came upon a Mauser carbine in 7mm Mauser. The firearm was then in great condition for a 40 year old war find. Still have the rifle, still actions, fires, and groups around .89" - 1.18" depending on the lot of ammunition. Unfortunately my father sporterized the rifle in the late 70's because he is, well a damn good shot for one but not a historian by any use of the term. Lol anyway, cool firearm you got there Ian, just thought id share some fun information. at least fun relative to myself hehe. -D.A.B.
Dalton Broome ww2 was between 1939 and 1945
Michael Lintern Looks like he is saying his grandfather served those years. He's not explaining which exact years WW2 covered. Why do you have to comment this? Anyone can Google find these facts you refer to. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to make such a great contribution.
+HM thank you HM yes I was referring to my grandfathers time served not the span of WW2.
My Dad sporterized the Enfield his Dad brought back from England.
@@michaellintern4487 Ever hear this? Duration plus a year? Obviously, Grandpa either re upped or went in late in 1939.
The marking on buttstock (П1, or P1) stands for King Peter the first, who was a king at the time.
I've been hunting with a sporterized (in the 50s) matching 7x57 Mauser Chileno since I was 13. I still think the 7x57 is one of, if not THE best cartridge for punch and accuracy for midrange deer hunting. Drives tacks, recoil is low, and the rifle is beautiful.
Very nice carbine in great condition. Well thought out. You didn't state the barrel length, but it looks like about 17". I've always liked full length stocks, so this is right up my alley. Great history to it too. Steyr sure did make nice rifles back when. Great video as always. Thank you
17.64" is the recorded length. Overall length of 37.16" & weight of 7.01lbs. Just wish I could own one.
The Mauser bolt action design is possibly the greatest bolt action design of all time.
Andrew Dalton Ray and 7mm cartridge is the best cartridge
Yet the Germans always screwed up the design with awful sights and thoughtless handguard configuration. Almost every nation other than Germany got better 1890's style Mausers, even when Germany made the rifles for said countries!
Definitely is
Well it's the parent of almost all modern bolt action rifle designs. I'd say the old Mauser was doing something right back then to stick like it did. I own essentially the exact firearm shown here and boy, it's a fluid action and handy as hell. The 7x57 chambering as opposed to 7.9x57, is also a perk. The ammo is more difficult to come by but the ballistic performance is superb. I know that one of my deceased family members took mine whitetail hunting many years ago. I would deduce it was in the late 50's early 60's and reportedly(family member to family member) it was still handy enough to take a 160+ pound buck at what my father tells me was approximately 300+ yards respectively. All with surplus fmj ammo and good ole iron sights. to my knowledge the carbine was loaded with three live rounds and when they walked outta the woods they had a rifle with two live cartridges, an empty shell casing and one dead deer. Milsurps are where it's at.
If by "possibly", you mean "definitely", then I agree
More Serb guns please
Its always so nice to hear u say so beautiful words about Serbian and Swedish arms 4 someone who are half swede and half srb like mee =)
I love the look of stocks that cover the whole barrel. This would be a great bush gun. I live in Wyoming and up elk hunting it would be great.
Gun Jesus is so enthusiastic during the introduction. I love this channel
Best bolt-action of 1910s? Man i want this thing
Me too. It looks really slick.
One can only imagine the size of the fireball coming out of that stubby pipe in the dark when letting off a full power 7x57 round.. Pretty much all the ballistic properties of that round also fly out with it since the muzzle velocity drop must be horrific.. That must be the shortest factory-made, full power cartridge firing, officially adopted military bolt action I've seen.
It was favored by chetnik fighters of that time, because of compact size. In 1940 we develop another mauser style carabine for assault troops aka ''chetniks'' named M1924ЧК, basically smaller version of standard issue M1924. Either way thank you for this video. :)
Byzantium Serb
Chetniks aren't something to be proud of...
Zagor 55
I agree
Pre-WW1and WW1 Chetniks, as well as pre-WW2 organization (all of those were basically "special forces") was different thing than WW2 and 1990s Chetniks which were a local militias.
Who said I am proud :)
Брате то сам већ знао, овде је реч о пушци а не о целокупном историјату неке организације. У сваком случају хвала на одговору.
Serb crew here
Rad Dar not a Serb but a Serb ally
@@DireAvenger001 French, Russian, Greek...?
@@Sumadinac1914 romanian montenegrin chinese
That thing just looks light,agile and handy👌🏽
👍🏿
The exception to your scarce carabine rule is the K98k, which was super widespread!
But the Kar 98k is a carbine in name only. Its really a short rifle, equivalent to the SMLE or M1903 Springfield.
Thing of beauty.
Full stock with a short barrel sounds cursed but almost always looks sweet
I think it would be super cool if one day you get the dardick handgun with the trounds and even better if you get one with the stock that turns it into a carbine. I know life size potatoe has a video of one and he has one of the biggest collections of rare guns I've seen.
Undoubtedly a sweet handling little carbine that wouldn't recoil excessively, which leads to good marksmanship.
Looks like a very handy little weapon
"You'll gas your eye out."
+Forgotten Weapons Great stuff Ian. Can you now do Mauser M24 or M48?
I have a m24/47 Mauser, a very nice rifle, would like to see him do a bit on the Yugo Mausers as well.
A slightly off topic question. Can someone (cough Ian, cough cough) she’s some light on Turkish and Romanian martini Henrys from Steyr. Especially their calibers.
Brendon Burns Turkish Peabody Martini M1874 was made in the U.S. by Providence Tool Co. (Same ones who made the Peabody rifle) in 11.3x59r in 2 types. Type A had a safety and lacked a bayonet lug, taking a socket bayonet. Type B had the safety omitted and added a bayonet lug to the front band. In 1912 (some sources say 1908) they had these reworked by Steyr for 7.65x53
Brendon Burns the the Romanian M79 Peabody-Martini was produced by Steyr in 11.43x59r (similar but not the same as the Turk afaik) I have one of these and it's basically the same as a British 1st pattern Martini but different caliber and markings
PoppaSquat thanks man. Very cool. A steyr made Peabody in 7.63x53 sounds cool as hell. Any hunting rifles like that? Like the westley Richards Peabody? I can’t find much that isn’t .303
It looked like an Ad for the NBC cop show 'Shades of Blue' was about to queue up at the start of the video on 05JUN18, but it auto skipped at about 3 seconds. Very odd, like NBC wanted to advertise on this channel, but was not able to.
I hope Othius does a video on this thing. I think that’s what I would want in the trenches
I suspect Mae will also love it. Seems to be just about the perfect little carbine.
I'd love a modern version of this. Scout rifle style.
Look at the cute little firestick.
This type of rifle would be a good deer/hog rifle for us in the US.
I bought a sporterized barrel and action a few years back. Found out today what it was.... Serbian 1908. To bad the barrel was cut and without stock. Rebarrelimg this action for use for deer with a 450 bushmaster barrel. I won't sell the barrel that I take off. Wish they didn't drill the crest for a scope I would of been happy with a scout scope mount system which I will do anyway. Action is in the 9000's for numbering.
This looks as handy as a the Carcano 91/38 TS, with a more powerful round, though.
Once again didn’t receive the notification for the video, the bell had turned itself off.
Cool little gun, awaiting to see how much it sells in auction.
That is a sexy little gun, I could see myself owning it
I think I now have a new favorite Mauser carbine....
I don't know how often you read your comments but I'm curious if you have any info on turkey cutting down any of their Mausers to a similar length just past the second Barrel band. currently Century Arms International is selling cut down Turkish Mausers on there C&R page but they have no information about where they got them. When you click description it doesn't say anything. Idk if they came that way or were modified after the fact. They almost remind me of the short cut down Firearms used by the tunneling units of World War 1.
I have to wonder how the Mauser would stack up against the Swiss Schmidt/K98 style rifles of the time. Both were cutting edge designs.
I like the 7 x 57 and I like that gun. Would love to own one.
I'll jump in here. I own a 1903 Springfield,many Mausers(Swedes are my favorite),many Mosins including Finish ones,all manner of Enfields.I have owned or have experience with K-31 and older Swiss rifles,Carcanos, and Arisakas. IMHO the Pattern Fourteen/US Model of 1917 are in one rifle the finest bolt action battle rifle of all time. Boys gun jesus happens to agree with me on this. Both my Remington M 1917 and Remington Pattern Fourteen will be the last to go in my collection.
that is in amazing shape
That Carbine would make a nice Deer rifle
Serbia came into sharp conflict with the Austria-Hungary after the overthrow of the austrophilic Serbian Obrenović dynasty in 1903. From 1903, Serbia began to rely politically on France and Russia and abandoned its austrophilic policy. Due to the aggravated situation in the Balkans, Serbia took measures to strengthen its army, and Austria-Hungary decided to hinder it. Serbia intended to procure artillery weapons in Germany and in France, considering that it was looking for a loan on the financial markets of those countries. However, Austria took advantage of Serbia's economic dependence on it (at that time, 90% of Serbian foreign trade was with Austria) and, at the beginning of December 1904, concluded/forced a trade agreement with Serbia, which conditioned the purchase of cannons and other arms in Austrian factories. This is how the so-called "Cannon crises" started. Austria wanted to ensure the work of Austrian factories on Serbian weapons, it would increase the profits of its Austrian owners, and it will keep Serbia still dependent on Austria. Serbian purchase of this carbines is the part of the so-called "Cannon crisis", the motives of the Austrian were not friendly, it was pure interest, a blackmail "you have to buy weapons from us, otherwise we will impose an economic sanctions on you". Soon this so-called "Cannon crisis" will turn into a trade war from which Serbia will emerge victorious a few years later...
When I was watching this I was aware that Austrian-Serb relations were doing poorly before the war but this shed some light on the situation
The greatest carbine was the 1863 Spencer and the Mauser is a legendary bolt action rifle.
Brian Fuller spencer was not that Lincoln’s gun
Ian this gun may be a gun of King Petar I
Serbs have quality arms and the like.
Looks like a Mauser Gewehr had a baby with a Lee Enfield No.3
Singing bird "pistols" next?
Can you have a video about the Serbian Peabody 1870?
Can you make a video about the legendary Lahti "Saloranta" m/26 LMG.
Great... Now I want one...
Im sure it would be nice if you do the video on M23CK Mauser rifle made specially for Serbian Stormtrooper Units.It has the most beautyfull bayonet ever made.Please check it out.
Yes please, send it my way!
7x57 is unbelievably underappreciated. 6.5 Swedish is still superior, but the 7 is still quite pleasant. Spanish carbines are about the same size and are quite handy little rifles, too!
Idk, 7x57 can be loaded with 175gr bullets with 2600 fps at the muzzle. It's a superior hunting cartridge.
6.5x55 is a very nice round too. Lower recoil, better sd, flatter shooting, and more efficient....but it's designed around a lighter bullet weight, And to fully utilize it's case capacity and load it up to higher modern pressures may or may not be completely safe for the model 96 receivers they were built on.
Most 7x57 milsurps were actually built on model 98 receivers; only the spanish mausers and a few other early adopters were built on model 93 receivers.
I have a question: I'm studying the different marks you can find on weapons of that period and the on this one you can find the cyrillic K on small parts. However, I didn't seem to see any of those on the serbian rifle from yesterday. You will often see it mentioned as a steyr marking but this is incorrect because this is clearly cyrillic and so I think it is a serbian property mark. Can you conform or deny that the rifle from yesterday have any small cyrillic K markings on it? It was kinda hard to see. I have seen it on mosin parts and m1891 mosin bayonet so it would be logic if it was serbian
"Cyrilic" K is a misnomer, letter "K" in cyrilic alphabet looks exactly the same as in latin
raspucin70 haha no, it looks like it a lot and probably is written the same nowadays but normally the cyrillic K is not written with straight lines, it looks like a K that is written more beautiful (don't know how to explain it but if you search cyrillic K you see what I mean. If it was a striaght normal K then it would have been a steyr austria arsenal mark
Ummm...if you mean just the way its written (semi-cursive way, with the top right line having "baroque" curve to it) - that is just a font that was a favorite at that time
nope, cyrillic ka is officialy a little different from the latin k in that it indeed has a curve to it. No idea that people still write it that way but that is the way it officialy should be written. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka_(Cyrillic)
I see what you are referring to, but its a minute change (probably the reason why people dont bother to write it that way anymore)
You gotta feel bad for the Serbs that went from using one of these to being handed a Label by the French.
Well Russians did gave us a bunch of Moisins as well
Neither Lebels, Berthiers nor Mosins were liked by soldiers. Mannlicher 1895 were however very popular captures.
There are pictures of a unit in the mexican revolution that have a rifle exactly I wonder if the mexican gov bought some to or they might been sold illegally I checked and they don't seem like gewehr88 there are also a lot of carcano rifles showing up in these pictures
They're probably Mexican M1910 carbines in 7mm. Basically a Mex. M1895 with a Gew98 action made in Mexico.
Have anyone know the history about bolt handle, why English and USA used bend bolt handle in 1900, but German used in 1930 , while Russia and Japan almost rarely used?
marksman axis price as far as I know
Jacob riddle how so far?
Good question
Damn, that is handy
Any speculation why the 7x57 was not adopted by Germany instead of 8x57?????
Think they just liked the bigger round more, was thinking this too. I have 3 mausers, thought that two were in 8mm, and just found out I’m completely wrong. Ones chambered in 7.62x51 (it was rechambered before I bought it), another is chambered In 7x57, and my 1888 Gewehr in 7.92x57 (good ole 8mm). Gonna have a real fun time buying ammo 🤦♂️
Military bureaucracy! Ingrained beliefs similar to officers never trusting soldiers.
Hey Ian kind of off subject but I was wondering if you had any updates on the hill and Mac gun works StG shipping cause ya know it's been a year already and we are still waiting haven't heard anything since shot show
Nope, I don't know anything more than what they have said in public. :(
Forgotten Weapons thanks keep up the good work waiting intently for my 8mm Kurtz StG
Fuckin luv blunt nose carbines
You know, in hindsight, I believe I would rather have a short barrel carbine during WWI. It seems they would be better then the long rifles. Just my opinion. The service rifles of today are far shorter than the carbines of WWI. The typical soldier of today is not taking as long of shots, but I wonder what a Dough-boy in the trenches of Europe would think of the modern service rifles of today?
Love carbines.
Could someone please do a mud test on a K-31 ?
Interesting, I always thought after dinasty change in Serbia 1903 - relationship with Austria-Hungary was always filled with the tension, here they borrowed money from the French to buy weapons from the "archenemy" ;-)
I want one.
God is a serb intensifies greater!
Ian, I hope you get your hands on a Đurič-Mauser M80/07C one day! Greetings from Belgrade
I have always wondered Ian, why did so many old military rifles completely encapsulate the barrel in wood?
To me it seems less than ideal to coat your barrel in something that can soak up and maintain moisture so readily.
Mr. Dmitri Ravenoff barrels get hot
Any chance for the Belgian versions?
I'd kill for this gun or the 1899 ugh...
it's gonna be a good morning. Ian telling me about Mausers with Sabaton's Last Dying Breath playing softly in another tab.
The month of mausers
It's More of a musketoon
No link to the auction?
Mausers galore
Ian, the link to your page is not working at this time.
what is the velocity of this rifle?
In 1915 Serbs weren't beaten. They just step back all the way to Greece to not be beaten. Then they were organized, rearmed, and in 1916 take some massive victories against Bulgarians. Don't forget that the same Serbs kicked Bulgarians out of the war, thus speeding up the capitulations of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Your channel is great, but, obviously, your history is not on the same level as your expertise of weapons.
The cyrillic is "Austrijska oruzna fabrika Stajer" in latin.
One question: really 7x57 calibre or 7,92x57?
7mmx57mm
7x57, not 7.92, they’re two different rounds
What happened after Greek?
I guess I'm a just a horrible Fudd. but I find this bolt gun far more interesting and useful than the things being pushed at InRange. It can do everything I want a gun for. Of course, I don't indulge in the fantasy that the 2nd is about being able to oppose the government when the original documents show it was for putting down revolts by black slaves and poor whites (see Nat Turner and/or the Whiskey Rebellion).
I bet that little guy has a pretty good kick when you fire it
Not really, about the same as 7.92x57mm full size rifle (M48).
Nice
Serbian Mauser for the win.
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Its barrel looks like an SMLE barrel from bf1
Everyone copied the mauser
This guy knows very little about Serbia in WW I.
*hits blunt*:
Coool
Serbia buying guns from Austria-Hungary. Well done Serbia
you are doing a great job about guns but your history knologe about haw the serbs fought is wrong. Nobady wanted to evacuete the serb army so the Russian Tzar Nikolaj said thet he will make peace with the au and the germans if serbs were not saved. Also the serbia army had to fight three armyes bulgarian au and german and no one from the allies helped but our montenegrin brothers
The Italian Royal Navy evacuated 260,000 Serbian soldiers in 1915, Italy did so because the Serbia was an ally and now the merit was of the Russians.....
+67claudius sure after the english promesid dalmatia and istra to italy only then even southern albania that was held by italian army was off limits to serbs they did not the serb army to pass to greece. So yes russia enterted in the war to lelp serbia and tzar nicolaus helped us. But yes the royal navy did save us including my great great fathet lujan. But after the war italy wanted slavic lands like dalmatia istra slovenia.
Milivoj Nonkovic
The pact of London established that Italy would have Dalmatia in the Austro-Hungarian administrative boundaries, but these agreements were not respected, Fascism in fact use this as a reason for propaganda purposes. However Slovenians and Croats were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and enemies of Italy and Serbia too. Anyway this maritime operation by the Royal Italian Navy can be compared with what occurred
during World War II at Dunkirk in northern France between May 25
and June 3, 1940 when over 300,000 English and French soldiers were
evacuated. That evacuation was decisive for the Allied victory, just like
this one which occurred during the winter of 1915/1916. After long years
of grueling trench warfare only the Serbian Army was able to break
through the Salonika Front during an assault September 15, 1918 and,
with continuous progress, determined the victory of the Allies in less
than two months. Unfortunately this fact is completely unknown in Italy.