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I have an identical head. Im very happy with mine. I find that having the boost engaged but backing the gain off until its similar to the gain maxed with boost off, gives the best assimilation it offers of a superlead. Its like the typical 'bright cap' sound with the boost on. Leaving the boost off seems rounder and less aggressive. Despite just having less break up; almost like the bright cap mod on an original plexi. I really think these amps are slept on. If you lust after a plexi, but either dont have the budget for one, or just wish they were more usuable, do /not/ rule out an origin amp!!
I'm ashamed to say that I have avoided my favorite Marshall for a couple of years because I thought my effects loop wasn't working, you solved the problem for me. Thanks!
What impeccable timing for you to make a video on the Origin 50....I've been jamming out on mine all evening!
Having a plethora of gear is such a great blessing; just plug into something different for a while and get inspired, by the time I circle back, it's like having a new voice all over again!
Great amp! BTW...one of the things about you that I love to watch is your right hand. It's one of the most relaxed looking hands I've seen. It'd be great if you made a video about just that...how to keep it relaxed, even when you're playing faster or with more energy.
because it's a single channel amp with a pull-boost gain knob, the 2 switch pedal has a Gain-boost on/off button that does the same as the pull knob and the other one is the fx loop on/off button instead of reverb button for example. Therefore the fx loop only works when that footswitch is plugged in and switched on. Even the manual says that. oh, and don't think of the footswitch connection on the amp as an 'output' because it isn't. No audio signal goes to the footswitch. It's just a connection for the switch buttons. on, or off. 👍 cheers!
Robert! What cab sim were you using in this video? I'm in love. I have a CAB M+ and I'm looking for the cab that sounds about like that.
I Had many different Marshall amps over the years. (Still have 3) my JMP- 1 has one speaker channel that went out so I can't use it for stereo out! I don't gig out with it, so I'm not sure why it happened? But still love that classic Marshall sound! Love your channel. You inspire me to play! Keep up the great work! Thank you for all you do!!! Rock on!!!
I have an Origin 50 I bought used a few years ago. Since then, I bought a 100W JCM800, so I've pondered selling the 50, but I've been somewhat convinced to keep it. The amps can do different things, which is more or less how I've approached amp collecting over the past few years.
Good to know about the effects loop being interlocked with the foot switch. I'll have to remember that.
Can truly never go wrong with a Marshall. Easily a quintessential amp for Rock! Cheers man
More so than a Friedman?
Or- must have both?
Oh friedman before marshall but if you can get both
That used to be true before the mid-80s. Now it is very VERY easy to go wrong with a Marshall.
you can if it's a valvestate. worst amp I ever owned
It all went wrong when they started making headphones and fridges and bar stools etc. They took their eye off the ball. Friedman are what Marshall should have been. Such a shame.
I have the 50c and love it. Perfect pedal platform and insane headroom. They have almost doubled in price since I bought mine.
I have the sv20, I like the different channels on the sv20 but the tilt is cool on the origin, both cool amps
The fx toggle feature I think was made do you can toggle all your effects at the same time. Like fern and delay instead of pressing 2 pedals.
The design flaw was making the default “off”.
I have the Valve State 150 head 4 ,x 12 1960 a and DSL 20 watt with 1936 2 x12 cab both are flawless 🎉
I'm not an amp expert but more than likely it has to do with power drain. Most fx loops have a pad on them to compensate for possible volume increases from fx. It has a lot to do with whether the loop is parallel or series as well. So especially back in the day if you wanted your amp to be a little louder you would just use a small connector cable to patch the fx loop to increase the output on the amp. Kind of the way people would patch the front of the amp hi low inputs on old plexis and Hi-watts. So this was probably a stop gap solution to that, that if you aren't "using" the fx loop you get the extra volume output from the bypass.
But for everyone reading if you have an fx loop and you don't use it, plug in a small pedal patch cable and you might be able to get yourself a few extra DB boost. Especially if it's an older amp.
This is just a guess as to why the origin works this way.
That amp sounds terrific and you playing through it surely makes it even better. Love the sound of tubes.
yeah you can get some cool sounds with tubes like swinging them in circles to get that shwooshy sound or singing into them but im not sure why that was relevant to the topic
@@smashallpots1428 I lol'd
I have a 50w Origin... always thought they got a bad rap (probably because people were expecting a Plexi and/or an 800). You definitely have to push the volume to get into overdrive/breakup territory, but it sounds so warm when you get there.
People will often "bag" something they don't understand. When the origin line came out, it was really misunderstood, but I think it's now getting the credit it deserves. I have a 20h and using an attenuator allows me to get that Marshall sound and keep my hearing.
Agree. When I finally got around to buying a Marshall I put the 50w Origin against the 40w DSL. I ended up with the DSL because it offered more flexibility which suited what I was doing at the time but the Origin was sweet. The bad reviews I read on it all seemed to be criticising it for what it wasn't rather than reviewing what it is. It isn't a JCM or a Plexi and it isn't an amp that takes massive amounts of gain but it has an amazing sweet spot just past the edge of break up. When the sales assistant came back to me to see how I was getting on I admitted that I had entered the shop asking the wrong question. I went in thinking "which do I buy, the DSL or the Origin". Playing them I realised that I should have been asking "which do I buy FIRST".
Awesome! What cabs were you using?
Amazing TONE!!!! As Always!😉
So dig the Drive of that MARSHALL BEAST!!!!
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Great video! What is your amp settings ?
Origin 50 is my everyday amp at home. I keep a volume pedal in the effects loop all the time and works perfectly with nothing in the foot switch plug.
I have the same amp and I noticed a dip in sound quality when I used it’s effects loop. I prefer to use it as a clean platform that I go straight into
Bypassable fx loop. Liking that. Build my own switches; 800 owner. Recently ordered 5 Alpha 3pdt's and batted 1 of 5. Covid QC gamble.
I have the 50w head that I use for my band and the 20w head that I use at home for recording. I love both.
Man, that amp sounds awesome, Robert... esp with the Jr! Interesting correlation betw the footswitch and the efx loop.... I don't understand that either! Fun video....makes me jones a bit for another "M" amp!!! YIKES!!!
I have one of the 50 watts, the only thing I can say i don't like is the fact that you have to crank it to get the goods and it is LOUD. If you want this amp with the old school Marshall sound get an attenuator. It sound great but even on 5 watts its loud for home use
I don’t know; to me an on/off for the fx loop makes total sense. Just turning off all the pedals in the loop still leaves all that circuitry/cables etc. in the signal chain, vs being able to bypass the whole thing and have the signal go direct as if there’s nothing in the loop.
I’ve always loved and preferred 50 Watt Marshalls. That is a classic sounding amp.
Need a foot switch in to activate the effects loop? That’s a new one for me, too. I never would have figured that out.
Got mine at a guitar center. Found out hooking up two cabs didn't work. I took it back. Didn't know about the fx loop issue.
It still doesn't sound right you should need a foot switch plugged in for the FX loop to work? I couldn't find a full schematic for any of the origin series amps, but found a SV20H. Looks like they group all the switches together so maybe one or both of the 1/4" jack switches is stuffed?
I'm considering either Origin 20 or SV, not sure if I will hear the difference in my bedroom though...
Whats the settings!!! That sounds amazing
i think it works similarly to how on effects pedals you have to have a jack plugged in on the input for it to work, it completes a circuit...you could make it do it without doing that but it would require an additional switch...imagine if every pedal you have had to have a power switch as well lol
I've had one of the original dsl 40c combos since they first came out and never once even took the foot switch out of the plastic it came in, I stumbled across this video and I'm like what? so then I pulled out the owners manual and it says it right there.... I've had this amp eight years and I'm like how did I miss that? but like you said I've never had an amp that did that....Thanks for posting this video now I'm gonna go play.
What cab/speakers is that chained with?
I don't know amps. Can you run a Marshall into other half stacks? Considering the watts handle it.
The foot switch has a FX loop on and off. I have that amp I love it.
I used to use a key board amplifier as an extension and I had to plug in a patch lead into the fx loop when it wasn't in use. Querky or what?
The perfect guitar sound!
Glad you were able to figure that amp out.
What model is it? I think I missed that. Thx.
1:09 I’m pretty sure that the fx loop is bypassed with the foot switch
I don’t think they have a button to do that function outside of the footswitch. I had a combo Marshall like that
I had the same issue with the effects loop on my JTM60. It would cause the sound to cut out when the amp started to heat up. I’ve read it’s a common problem on my model. Guessing there’s something wrong with the connection, but it’s fixable by connecting the in and out of the fx loop with a patch cable.
@@stoneysdead689 As far as I can tell when it gets hot, the connector or switch in the fx out thinks something is connected to it and routes the signal out into an fx loop, whether it has something connected or not. Completing the circuit solves the problem. It’s not perfect, but then it’s a 28 year old amp that has issues with overheating in general. I’ve had it 26 years and only recently I figured out how to fix it. I also put in an aluminium plate to shield the electrics from the valves a while back- the valves are directly below the circuit boards. Great sounding amp but badly designed.
I have the combination version of this amp. Really don't like the foot switch thing. Does anybody have an idea how to buy pass this problem?
Sounds awesome!
The reason why you need the footswitch is because the loop is bypassable. If you dont plug in the footswitch, the fx loop wont work. Pretty simple. Im pretty sure its in the manual.
Sounds sweet mate. 💪🏻
Prolly provides impedance to close/complete the circuit
Is the foot switch thing to turn the whole effect loop on or off? Like an easy way to on/off delay and reverb with one button vs having to step on multiple pedals? IDK
Indeed, FX loop bypass. I used to use an Egnater Renegade in that way.
I have the 50 and 20 heads. Great amps.
Nice sounding amp. Good sound Rob....
I’ve been playing a DSL5cr hard, almost daily, for over two years without a problem
I got it before it doubled in price though. Not sure if I’d buy it again for $800, especially when the 20 and 40 watt combos are not much more
Same. I got mine a couple of years ago right before the price hikes. It’s an outstanding little combo, but not $800 of outstanding.
To my ears, the origin 50 sounds a lot like a super lead. I've never owned one. But I might now. You're a great player!
Superlead??????
Sounds mighty sweet, especially with that JR!
Killer sounding amp. I can only use small amps in the house. 1-5wtts or with an attenuation on it like the Fender Tone master Deluxe reverb. Blonde version of course. Better mids and sounds more convincing too.
Even a 1 watt amp can punch out 90dB. That's enough to get most people's attention.
@@castleanthrax1833 yeah, I got the Supro Delta King 8. It punches hard
@@christophervincent8420 I’ve got one of those, it’s insanely loud. I’ve since acquired a Blackstar HT5r and a Marshall DSL40 - both seem to have great tone at lower volume than the Supro.
I’m not sure why that is. I’m learning a lot about tones I like; my Epi LP sounds so good through the DSL on any channel. To me everything I’ve plugged in sounds good.
Got a Squire Affinity Tele, it sounds good but paired with the HT5 is magical.
Origin 20 goes down to 0.5 watt.
@@JN-qj9gf yes, but I have 2 amps. As much as I want a Marshall, the price and the need isn't in my cards. I can get a "Marshall" tone with a pedal as if now. But maybe down the road. I use a little 1wtt Supro too.
Most amps sound the same to me. I plug a distortion or overdrive into a clean amp to get my sounds
I wanted to like my Origin but i just dont vibe with it, i bought a wampler plexi drive just to use with it and make it sound more like a plexi. They kind of market it as being one but its a whole preamp tube short and it would kinda make the Studio vintage pointless if it did 😂 you make yours sound killer though but you could play anything and sound badass
Your amp in the room sound is great ! Time to ditch the axe thing ?
O kinda liked the vintage modern model but haven't owned one.
It seems like they envisioned it as a pedal platform. I use the effects loop switch as basically a cheat second channel.
Eh, not my gig I can get that with all my amps if I just turn the volume down on my guitar to to just barely on
My favorite Marshall amp is easily the Silver Jubilee. That amp can go from clean to real mean. It’s got a sound like no other Marshall.
Its like a dark jcm800. Super cool
@@tiagoandrade5826 It definitely is darker but can sound brighter with adjusting the eq. It has the most sculptable eq of any Marshall amp I’ve ever heard.
They are cool amps. It’s like the ugly twin of a jcm 800. I have a jcm800 next to my bed. It’s my way of avoiding arguments with the ol’ lady. If she starts in i just click that switch and grab a les paul and crank that bitch up lol works every time.
Is is good pedal platform? Did you try fuzz face or any fuzz?
@@petarzutic1165 I didn’t try any fuzz pedals with it. It did take drive pedals fine. It also has a great fx loop.
I play out of a Fender 2x10 100 watt combo amp and was looking at a comparable Marshall tube amp. When the heck did they get so expensive! Used to be you could get a good 50 watt or so combo amp for $800 to $1000. Certain gear has gotten out of control.
The joy you must have felt the first time you figured this out. Rock on!
I have the Origin 20 and made the same mistake. I have other amps with footswitches but never use them because I play sitting down less than 4 feet from the amp. It may be in the manual but who reads those? I finally found the answer on a forum about a year ago.
Yeah I just stick a 1/4 headphone jack adapter in it and it works without needing the footpedal plugged in.
@@RobertBakerGuitar I will try that today.
I didn’t know where else I could contact you but I purchased your Rut Buster Course and it’s giving me some issues saying my password and/or email is incorrect when ik it is in fact not bc I wrote it down. Idk what to do, please help.
Boogie loop effects are like that, if you play with nothing in the loop and nothing in the out/in's it will cut out on you, just stick a cable between them and bang the amp works.
Good man ,I’ve got one and it screams….it gets it done tubes and all
I have a 50 watt Musicman Rd 12 that has a foot switch
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Robert, I love my Origin after replacing stock tunes with Mullards
I’m always ready for real amps!! Sounds great Robert!!
With you I am, pushing air is where it’s at
Shea Monomyth has modded some of those and turned them into fire breathers!
Good on ya brother. It does sound good and I'm not necessarily a Marshall guy. Plus you schreddd triple D!
You're so sorry you posted it twice! Sounds great! I love my 2553.
what does your pedal board have on it,I get too much background noise with my amp and want to clean it up so if you have any ideas let me know I had to stop playing for a few years and missed a lot of technology in those years,thanks
Guitar Jesus videos are my favorite. Keep on keepin on man. You're one of the best
I've had a origin 20 for 6 months or more and no issues what so ever it loves pedals
Yes these amps take pedals amazingly well.
It’s clear the Origin 50 is the one to get, out of the Origin range. It’s easily the best sounding one. Cheers!
Sounds great 👍 i have 3 different ones but so far I haven't had any problems. And best of all 👉...they are all very loud 😂
Sounds great Robert, rock on!
I have the DSL100H full stack, have to check to see if mine's like that.
Mark in Ohio
I had a few. My last one, 30th Anniversary 100 watt head with 5881’s, unfortunately it was stolen.
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Subjectively, I like the Marshall plexi tone. The amp itself, I prefer watching other people plug into it and don’t have the temptation to get one for myself. I’ll stick with emulations indefinitely.
In today’s world what a breath of fresh air to hear a man being a man and admit he could have made a mistake! That’s respectable
This is truly something an audio tech or sound engineer would have troubleshooted in five minutes.
We unplug, replug, and try everything to eliminate or isolate the issue. Because we gotta know... we can't stand the mystery.
Years ago i had a JCM 900 and the tubes were always screwing up especially when i took it out for a gig ironically lol Plus it just didnt have enough juice for me so i traded it for a Marshall solid state combo amp and it was great. Then subsequently at a gig i was drunk and knocked it over and now i dont play anymore so whatever. But you're a great guitar player dude i enjoy your videos
@@stoneysdead689 yah I got about 400 bucks plus the amp. But then I blew the money on women and booze and destroyed the amp and now I dont play so who gives a shit hahaha
Plus the solid state amp sounded better to me to be honest, that JCM just had to much of an 80s sound and I dont use pedals
That Marshall head sounds incredible!!
I had the combo version. The one I had was JUNK! It sounded like crap and rattled terribly. I may have to give the head a try. We’ll see
I haven't tried the combo before but the head rules
I’ve heard that Suave is a good shampoo...but I wouldn’t know...I never wash my hair...I would if I had a blow dryer maybe, but I don’t...yours must take a couple hours a day, maybe you could illuminate on it.
You never wash your hair?
That's kinda 🤮🤮🤮
@@castleanthrax1833 Nope.
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@@castleanthrax1833 You’re quite judgemental. I’m impressed. You should run for public office.
@@johnr3369 You're easily impressed.
I assume it's a bypassable effects loop? I prefer them because it doesn't effect the tone the way a normal one does (when it's bypassed), which is a lot.
I haven't seen any of these amps insides of schematics though, so I'm just guessing.
Yes - it's tube buffered too. They come with a foot switch to enable/disable.
I see myself battling this guy in the clouds shredding for glory.
Your a Stand up Guy Rob. 👊😎
I noticed the same thing when I got the 20 h. Unfortunately had to sell it because of unavoidable circumstances, but I think I'll get the 50 next time. Have a great day brother. ☮️❤️
I haven't checked prices on the Origin series in a while, but hasn't the 50 gone up by like 50%? That's insane!!! No desire at this stage in life to overspend on gear.
I Great video man, thanks a lot
Makin that amp sound SWEET
love my dsl40cr
You remind me of the other guitar player who was in my band in the mid 70's. he used to get so stoked out on Mississippi Queen, the other one that stoked him out was if I put on a Roy Buchanan Record. If he was older I would have asked him to see if he Peed his pants, it was so funny. Oh HE flipped the 1st time I put on an old Albert KING record. LOL.
True rock monster sits in that head. Perfect recording.
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