Russell Brand & Jordan Peterson Have Heated Gender Debate
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- I spoke to Professor Jordan Peterson about the reasons for his Twitter ban and his thoughts around the gender debate. #JordanPeterson #gender #debate
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This was NOT heated. This was VERY respectful and thoughtful. Need more highly visible conversations like this as an example for a civil society
EDIT: I humbly *thank you* for the thousands of likes! I am pleased a comment about civility and NOT tribalism rose to the top.
Having heated in the title gets clicks. I clicked thinking I was going to get something heated and not a serious discussion 🤪🍟
Alex Jones Vs Piers Morgan vid could be properly described as heated 🤣
@omaemou Shind3iru
Bullshit. He called a spade a spade, and showed genuine concern over a trend that is literally butchering, sterilizing and killing (40% suicide rate among pre ave post-op trans people) children and adults worldwide.
I find people with your smug, simplistic and naive worldview disgusting.
Grow up, child.
I also expected heat but found none. Russell brands bar of heat is very low.
ABSOLUTELY.
Russell: “Everybody should be affirmed and accepted even if you disagree. Not doing so is harmful.”
Peterson: “Affirming some things do more harm than good. Acceptance isn’t compassion.”
What I got out of this.
They both make good points and bring perspective to the debate
It's like "fatphobia".
We should fight obesity with everything we got but attacking those already entrapped doesn't help the cause.
On the other hand, celebrating obesity is the worst thing that you can do in a fight against the matter.
Evil doers here would be the corporations(and truly ppl behind them - those should be jailed physically) and politicians doing their bidding... and then media doing the same.
Really? You weren’t listening properly if that’s ALL you got out of this clip
In my opinion, towards the end, the conversation shifted to “tone” of how the message was conveyed (by JBP) and JBP did concede that his emotion (anger) in the way he put forward his point wasn’t ideal even though he believes he was semantically accurate.
Great clip!
@@KeraLab I agree if Ellen had of kept her surgery to herself then she would not have influenced other easily influenced young girls ,its a no win arguement with confused people .
Can I just say how thankful I am that two men who clearly and genuinely CARE are able to discuss disagreements without reacting like wounded babies.
Sure they care. How much is self interest though? Especially Russell?
Compared to pharma companies, for example, not much! We are allowed to have a little bit of self interest aren't we? Any suggestions on how else they could finance themselves whilst doing this work?
People need to be able to disagree with eachother. I love this. Such an amazing conversation
People also need to be able to see beyond propaganda and pandering from a political party. Both are guilty, but the republicans are way worse.
Might I add: without any hostility
Peterstein is literally arguing that people who disagree with him on certain topics are demons that need to be censored in the very video you're posting on.
Here's an example of two debaters disagreeing without being disagreeable.
Understanding the real social issue regarding trans tantrums victimhood that seems like abusers but they are just scared and scarred kids:
Regressive temporarely adopted copes using cognition in a reactive or defensive mode for protection and self preservation due to lack of proper orientation regarding career field, purpose, meaning and better humane treatment in public or social life that is usually very threatening, agressive and isolating for the meek weak and creative. Thus the bullied become somehow capable to adapt in order to avoid unecessary absurdistic imposings of society on them especially if they want to do something else and they aren't heard, listened or cared for in order to be properly educated, guided and helped for better allignings and attunings.
Also they go for either excessive or total abstinence of sexual life in order to feel safe and bonded with someone that they can relate to their struggle of not being left to be creative, intuitive or inventive for things that fits betterly to their temperament and gifts.
Truly strange indeed but it's an adaptation cope due to lack to inclusivity in a more holistic way and community, that's why those strange processes occur.
Notice that the apparent demeanor of being that reactive will be temporary if better opportunities of genuine help will occur for elevation and appreciation of their real genuine talents, gifts and crafty capabilities.
The way you both handled yourselves makes it hard to believe you were even disagreeing based on the discourse we are used to. What a great show of respect and intelligence.
These are two of the best going at it. Its a pleasure to watch.
What a great show indeed. 🙄 I wonder if I've been watching some AI deep fake of JP...Maybe he can ask Netanyahu what he would do with these anonymous accounts?
You took the words right outta my mouth. Saved me the time, thanks
It's a shame he let Peterson mislead about the medical malpractice in the closing of the clinic.
"when I see people being dismissive of you it upsets me" continues to ignore everything Jordon said.
PLEASE PLEASE let us have conversations like this and move away from "negative conflict" I love both of these guys.
We can still have negative conflict. One can vehemently disagree on an issue, get loud, get angry but still have a level of respect. There will be times when thing will get nasty, we are humans and it is part of our make up.
Russel wants to make everything about 'love', he and I would disagree on that matter.
Shaaaaat up
@@joeshmoe7967 I see what you mean, maybe I should have said "toxic conflict"
This is what a mature discussion around controversial topics look like. No screaming and shouting just respectful discourse, respect to you both.
Agreed... (plus ultra)
Two intelligent people having a conversation. How refreshing !!!
absolutely
Thank you, both. This is exactly what kind of conversation that is missing in this country.
The very fact that this is not a heated debate, as headlined, but a thoughtful, respectful and measured debate speaks volumes about social media divisivness.
Heated in that they are both actively using their brain and listening and speaking. Not just being violent and aggressive, think of steamy heated sex too…sometimes it’s soft and engaged not so monkey man…me Tarzan you Jane style.
Russel Brand himself titled this video.
His assistant did, but yeah
I think it's fair to say that it's ok to use a little bit of a clickbait tactic when it's for the greater good of attracting people to watch what a true open conversation between 2 persons who respect each other but "disagree" is.
In away it is heated. It's a hot topic.
What's beautiful about this discussion is that neither man jumps in or interrupts the other. They both allow each other to finish their points and arguments in a very respectful way. I wish all debates and discussions, online or otherwise, are like this. Thank you to both gentlemen.
Great point. This is something I am trying to work on myself. Terrible habit!
Great observation and extremely important
Bravo
elon musks handler is yoel roth
This was clearly cut. Can't you see that?
Great and knowledgeable minds do not hide behind insecurity. Speaking over another is the clearest sign of insecurity.
This is how a debate is done. Respectfully and without interrupting each other. Great job, both of you. Excellent video, thank you.
100% agreed. It’s like we are not allowed to have adult debates about the things that desperately need to discuss.
To quote the average Jordan Peterson fanboy...."Post the full interview uninterrupted! You see all these jump cuts here?!? They took Jordan completely out of context!! Anything less is intellectual dishonesty!!"
LA LA LA LA... Ye was respectful to Morgan as well lol
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This is not a debate, this is a discussion.
Two intelligent humans having a conversation. There is hope for humanity.
Accepting what pedophiles [aka Minor Attracted People] desire is not intelligent. It's just acceptance.
One is carried by charisma that makes 99% of his speech of bullshit and the other one is 99% intelligence , reading books and papers. Russel thinks to highly of himself and im glad jordan pulled him down from a high horse.
@@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll how did he pull him down? We just witnessed two adults with opposing views having an adult conversation, I think they were both lifted up by it. Stop picking sides and become part of the solution rather than the problem.
@@joeevans266 your/everyones whole life is picking sides fyi. U need this critical way of thinking because if we just say "well we should all be friends and accept everyone and their ideology" will end up in pure chaos.
@@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll picking sides isn't critical thinking, listening to both sides and using that information to formulate your own opinion is critical thinking.
This wasn’t heated… this was mutually respectful. And kudos to both of these great men for it.
they tell us Jordan Peterson is 'heated' so as to draw the lines. Over that 'crazy heated line is too crazy and heated... which is truth... so by having a whitewasher jesus eddy currenter (everything leads back to the big evil and their big lie, but they got a new flavor) they tell those who are lightweight truth seekers what 'truth they seek, while those seeking the end of the rabbit hole find this half hearted at beast.
Agreed
I thought the same, I figured it was a click bait but they both have great things to say and do not require click baits 🤷🏼♂️
Click bait'y title.
click bait lol
It's crazy that we've reached the point where it actually feels weird to watch two people talk about something without either of them screeching and walking out of the interview
Haha right, shows you how much we are overdue in changing the way we handle our differences.
Neither are American born media figures 🤔
That is nice, but in another way what I think is even more surprising is watching two prominent people in the social media sphere who are not simply jerking eachother off, fawming over the other and how amazing they are. Peterson in particular seems to get an almost cult like praise from his followers and he seems to have bought into it in recent years. Very happy to see Russel call him out here in a respectful way.
It seems crazier that a guy with Jordan Peterson education thinks he can refer to demonic forces in a technical sense.
Oh my goodness, my thoughts exactly. It is so abnormal nowadays to watch two people civilly conversing that it actually halts you in your tracks.
Am impressed with the respect that Russell and Jordan showed each other. It’s possible that everyone walked away having learned something, and will meditate on the beauty of constructive conversation.
100%, but then these two individuals on are on the same side of the spectrum of Good and Evil
darry Russell made several attempts to attack Jordan's position, which he skilfully defended. Russell gracefully accepted defeat.
@@veronicav1779 I 100% agree
You could see both had moments of clarity and receptiveness to the others’ points.
Rule 9: Assume that the Person You Are Listening to Might Know Something You Don’t
Two of my favorite men on RUclips, having a fantastic conversation that actually means something! Thank you both so much!
Both of you are great examples of how adults should have a discussion. No name calling, no screaming over the other person, no threats, no walking away,,,,,,just good intelligent conversation, listening and having an open mind. This video should be sent to every talk show and news outlet as a blueprint of how to communicate. It’s so simple,,,,why do people complicate things.
Right on, but shouldn't (and I think it has) the audience who are tired of watching uncommunicative talk shows and news outlets just move away from them and move over to watch these kinds of discussions? I certainly have and I have absolutely no appetite for news outlet/talk show discussions.
Well, going to reply to you because that stupid bot pisses me off. And I agree with you. This is the fundamental principle behind why free speech is important and must be protected: our rights to agree and to disagree must be protected and we must have enough respect for EACH OTHER to understand that we're not always going to agree. As you pointed out, disagreement doesn't have to lead to disrespect.
"Tolerance" means "I don't agree with you, but I won't persecute you for it." There has been a massive attempt to change that recently, so that it now means "if you don't agree with me, you hate me and intend violence towards me." That's absurd. But when that sort of interpretation is bandied about on campus to where young folk know nothing else, you get this environment where dissent must be crushed, and all dissenters are haters.
When we reach this sort of environment, where there are no TRUE "non-binaries," I.E. "opinions that aren't right or wrong, they just exist," then you're living in tyranny. Whether social or political (it'll be both, and is), if your personal opinion is somehow "dissent" simply for existing... well, there's a problem. *shakes her head tired* Take care dad, it's a pleasure to meet you, I wish you all the best
most news outlets and talk shows already have their own views and beliefs for their audience and would try to dictate the outcome of the interview for the audience to agree with, that's how you would keep your viewing numbers up.
that's why you would see most hosts would cut them off or talk over them to keep the outcome in their favor
Well said.
Definitely a lost art. Just beautiful seeing such art.
They are able to debate because they have fundamentally true and good intentions behind their arguments. There's no sinister or selfish motive, they actually listen to each other. More of this please!
Everyone thinks their intentions are good, because they think their thinking is right. That doesn't mean they are right. Everyone is the hero in their own story. Jordan Peterson does and says very questionable things. Just because he also says and does some good things doesn't mean that his intentions are good
Well said
@@franklingoodwin Interesting. I'd better lock my front door then.....No goodcannutes ey.
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@@franklingoodwin I believe the comment was about "intentions" not perfection
Nope they’re both Gemini’s ♊️ It’s really not that deep.
This discussion was a very beautiful sight, very well-articulated, leveled and respectful. We need to see more of this in the world.
You might want to follow RUclips channel “UnHerd” for more civil, relevant and interesting discussions, along with highly intellectual guests.
@@julianfiacconi709 thanks.
Two grifters, grifting in harmony.
Two great minds. It's so refreshing seeing two people with opposing views having an adult conversation and both seeming to understand each others views. There's so much wrong in the world today but the fact that videos like this are becoming popular gives me hope for the future.
Both gemini’s we rule mercury which is the planet of communication.
Russel is not a great mind.
Russell you really don’t stand up in this debate. You ‘feel’ a lot about a bunch of stuff, you say a lot about a lot of things, but damn its just a bunch of gibberish fella. Listen to the emotion between the two debaters, I know who has the level mind simply using that metric, then add the pseudo intellectual statements, you really are out of your depth here.
@@monkeyboynz "You ‘feel’ a lot about a bunch of stuff, you say a lot about a lot of things, but damn its just a bunch of gibberish fella." That's how he is about everything.
Great minds? You need to get out more.
Absolutely beautiful debate. This is how debates should be! Please have Jordan Peterson back on asap! Love listening to both of you!
The problem being..the anti-human globalists will not debate (jab),they will just igore you.
This wasn't a debate on transgender treatments at all. Russell just said Jordan was too mean but agreed with him.
perfectly said
The first sign of a great debate, expression of opinions,even if , totally opposite. You let the person speaking finish their thought. Kudos to Russell and JP. Respect. ❤️
That was actually a very thoughtful, respectful discussion. The world needs more of this.
jordan Peterson is a fool
i like how unbiased Russel is when speaking to people, like he's sincerely considering other peoples perspectives.
This was one of the most intellectual, well mannered, and respectful conversations regarding controversial topics that I have seen in a while. Kudos to Jordan and Russel.
Your comment touches me deeply, expresses perfectly what I felt, and gives me hope. Thank you 🙏
Kudos to Russell and and iam sorry being a 🥫 for Peterson and this is my real name
@@GeoffJRC thank you
I wish I had friends capable of this level of dialogue. The civility. The depth. Mutual respect. These are the goals.
Me too!
@@winterdogmusic how do you feel about capitalism? I like it. I think many people conflate cronyism with capitalism though which makes the whole conversation complicated. Cronyism will exist in any system.
I do as well, wouldn’t this be amazing to engage in. I feel thankful to have witnessed this conversation.
Couldn’t have said it better, or have wanted it more
Can I be your friend 🥺🥺🥺
I absolutely loved this conversation. Both having respect for the other and their opinions. Both with the ability to vocalize and HEAR the others critics without being offended
They are both freemasons who work for the Rothschild family neither are your friend.
I enjoy listening to both Russel and Dr. Peterson. You both not only speak with common sense but with knowledge. Thank you!
You two have incredible dialogue with an extensive vocabulary. Showing what a true, respectful disagreement should look like. I hope to see more communication between you gentlemen.
I agree with you 100%. Such a wide variety of knowledge and intelligence.
I'm not so sure they disagree that much at all. JP's delivery can be brutal and i think that is all RB really disagrees with in this snippet anyway.
A prime example of a respectful but true to their nature debate. This is how it is done people!!
Completely agree and I think it’s wonderful that they can both be very honest with each other and also offer each other feedback! A great example to us all 👏
Jordan is right on this one.
@@miller-joel They're both just lecturing us all.
@@andhewonders You must have wanted to listen though
@@cathyzimmerman9467 I listen to everything, what I'm saying is that after listening, those two set out to purposefully set an example, a training manual for people commenting on their channels, Jordan used a very broad sword in his vitriol against people with names like mine, but it doesn't really bother me,, unless platforms take on board his suggested censorship measures, censorship is what he's getting at isn't it?
The fact that watching two people civically debating their somewhat opposing views is amazing to us, says more about us as a society than it says about their actual discussion. Russell Brand is giving us all a huge example. Politically, we couldn't disagree more, and yet here I am, listening to what he has to say and finding common ground. We need more people like him.
It seems to me that this is the major example of emotional vs logic with facts !
@@scottmccullough4267 I would say Jordan is also very emotional about this topic. He knew what he was doing when he tweeted that. But I understand why he did it and respect him for it. While Russell does seem to be a lot more emotional and not use logic and facts, he can’t dismiss emotion completely. We can’t deny a fundamental part of our human nature. Love and compassion and fundamental to living a properly human life.
@@arunholy2941 Huh, I thought the previous commenter probably meant Peterson was emotional and Brand brought the logic and facts.
@ TextMe (w/Russell’s avatar above) Pathetic wannabe!
This is what I like to see. This was not an incoherent shouting match like we see in media. This was a snapshot of two intellectuals sorting out a problem. Keep at it, Mr Brand.
Love is telling people the truth, standing up for what’s right, and forgiving people for being wrong.
Oh shit....I'm out!!
Forgiveness is only for those who are remorseful and seek to make amends. If you forgive those who are not sorry then you enable evil to continue. It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to never admit fault and then expect forgiveness. Looking at all the government, media, experts, big pharma and health don't care industry. Never forget. Never forgive. For the children. Our love for them MUST trump ALL else or we deserve to die and not be forgiven. Ever!
They can forgive themselves in Prison !!!
Who's truth?
Forgiveness is for you not for the forgiven.
This is what the world needs, props to you both for setting a standard of communicating for both of your huge audiences to observe.
It’s refreshing and quite frankly it is inspiring.
💯
The idea that trolls/losers should be excluded is a poor one. The great ability of the Internet is to give anons the ability to speak without being tied to their real life. Jordan Peterson has gone for the dehumanise and kill nonconformist personas strategy.
@@cctv5348 I couldn't believe that he said this. Your man seems to be missing more than hitting now adays :/
The world doesn't need anything from anyone sitting on their butt talking into a mic yo.
This is exactly how a difficult conversation should be navigated. Congratulations to both of you for showing a path forward for discourse
Notice how it doesn't deteriorate into bickering and name calling.
THIS, this right here is what the world needs more of, much more, two gentleman, who understand the human experience and want to do better for humankind. This was incredibly inspiring. Thank you both.
I love that these were so strong in their opinions, while still yielding to each other. Both acknowledged where each fell short, while beautifully holding each other up.
We need more of these two being human and honest and showing us all how to do the same.
They have emotional maturity, unfortunately, most of the world does not?.
They have both learned to tame their egos in debate among friends. Much more productive than when a journalist simply goes on the attack.
The ego has risen with the rise of social media/technology.
People who can suffer a blow to their ego and maintain reason are more needed than ever. We can't be slaves to our emotions and whims for much longer.
Such a fantastic debate. Shows how disagreement does not have to be disrespectful and become ugly. Love the example set for everyone.
RB nick picking about JP anger emotion… unnecessary I think.
Agree100%
I think one of the biggest issues is we’re teaching kids to be what they want and not love who they are
Being trans is who they are
@@clovellyliddle477 Not true when you see so many detransitioning
@@suras8984 those ones aren't actually trans then are they?
@@clovellyliddle477 adults can say that but kids don't truly know who they are or what they want to be
Some people can't love who they are. It ain't that simple. Letting people do whatever they want in their own realm as long as it doesn't affect you is simple.
Russell- the only person i've seen so far who has been able to get JP to self reflect.
Two of my favorite online personalities. If only the rest of humanity could communicate as honestly as you two do the world would not be in the shape it is in.
Truer words rarely spoken!
But it is not truly honest. Jordan Peterson is pointing out that there is an agenda, and Russell Brand is just outright supporting that agenda out of 'compassion'. Why? Why not question the true motive before supporting regardless. If evil pushes an agenda do you just go along out of compassion? Jesus Christ says that to ignore or to go along with evil is to do evil. To not stand up and appose that evil is to go along with evil. What Russell said in his argument is wrong with that in mind. God created male and female. Full stop. Any agenda pushing other wise for public approval is not natural. No where else is nature is this agenda of 'more than' male and female pushed. It's Satanic and should be questioned as too it's true objective, agenda and nature.
Jordan hit it on the head about compassion and how it's used. I think compassion is what got us in to this woke-identity issue. Through compassion we've approved and protected those that have done things that should have been questioned. Those who should have been questioned have a greater reach to young minds through social media. Since it's an approved behavior, we see it manifest in younger individuals who do not know any better other than that everyone approves of that behavior because of compassion and it comes with all the attention. We saw it with glamor magazines with make up and clothing. Now we see younger children using makeup and dressing up like adults. We had compassion with obesity. Now it's called thicc fit and no one can say anything about how it will shorten a person's life span by being overweight. People wanted to transition so we were compassionate in allowing them to do what they wanted, but children were seeing it as an acceptable thing to do and wanted to do it without any full understanding. It started happening with pedophilia... and now what? We have drag story time with convicted sex offenders. Compassion is great and useful, but should be used in a more constructive way, which could feel negative to some. Once we do that though, we get farther away from the "love everything" point of view Russell usually has. Sometimes when Russell criticizes what the government is doing... I sometimes want to say, "just love it and accept it, bro."
Christ wins, He forgave the adulterer because of the technicality of 2 witnesses and turned it on the hypocritical pharisees and they walked off oldest first.
But then in next breath he said to her. SIN NO MORE.
Then to a another dinner he healed at the pool. Then Jesus next breath was SIN NO MORE or something much worse will happen to you.👍🙏
Jesus isn't woke. He hates sin and sexual immorality. It's plain.
Big love in Christ.
Exactly!
Great comment!
@@robertmyatt2755 if Jesus isnt woke how did he come back to life?
Compassionate curiosity. Personally I aspire to question everything from a place of compassion. Compassionate curiosity is the opposite of judgment. You might try it. Question everything. Have compassion for all living things. Compassionate curiosity.
We need more intellectual and cultural debates like this in the public domain.
Watch Destiny's Channel and his version of Crowder's "Change my mind". He is doing a really really good job in debates and in bringing different camps together.
But we need less of Jordan Peterson's crusade against anonymity. I wonder, would he support the Samizdat not being anonymous in the old Soviet? While he is a help for many young lost souls, he is utterly clueless in other things, and it shows. Sometimes he is even part of the problem. Anonymity online is of utter importance if you are a dissident, or advocate for political change. Otherwise you might just lose your job, your bank account and your life. And most people are actually not trolls. Very sad to see him having put so little thought into it.
by intellectual you mean russel not peter over there
They the authority will label this as "disinformation"
Glenn Loury and John McWhorter have a great social commentary on The Glenn Show on YT
This is the most intelligent conversation I've heard in years. This conversation gives me hope for the human race...
Don’t get too excited. These people are only two out of the human race!
Wow!! If this is the most intelligent conversation you've heard, I feel sorry for you and hope you come into a higher state of being and vibration where you can hear far superior conversations to this.
@@chrisc9725 fella said "higher state of being" 🤣🤣
Hope.. I was thinking the same thing
@@chrisc9725 You talk about vibration but here you are with only insults and nothing constructive to add what so ever. A normal constructive human can disagree without insults and we tend to be specific about the points we disagree with, which produces positive and constructive debate. Cognitive dissonance will eventually cause you problems because the very act of commenting with these insults is contradictory to your statements
This interview was enjoyable. Anger is not necessarily evil. Neither is happiness necessarily good.
Sounds like you've been reading the bible.
It always comes down to the "why". Why are you angry? Why are you happy?
@@J5460-r8z Yes I have.
Truly honored to be able to listen to this dialog between 2 individuals I respect absolutely. Thanks to all involved in producing this gem!
why is he suddenly for totalitarian control of speech
What has Russell brand done that he should have earned your "respect absolutely"? Jordan Peterson has earned that respect. That I understand.
@@shooter853 Both compassionate highly ethical and honest communicators striving for the best for humanity.
The fact that Russel gets angry when people attack JP is a sign he's genuine. He's actually listened to his words and knows that despite what people say about JP his heart is pure and filled with love. That's why i listen to Russel Brand, he's been through shit and can empathize with anyone.
Yeah, Brand is definitely a good egg.
That's rich, given this hypocritical, sh*t-stain spent 4yrs saying "Anyone but Trump, at ANY cost.....the ramifications be damned." Brand wan't all his followers (that can't think for themselves) to think he's some kind of "un-biased, arbiter of truth". When the fact is he's a left-wing, hypocritical, pus-sac that has been trying from Day 1 of Biden's miserable presidency, to get his credibility back. And, all his unconditional followers buy into it. Which is humorous, because if Brand was being his typical left-wing, activist, punk-self....all these same people would be cheering that on, as well.
@Phil LaMoore hmm haven't seen any of that since I've been following him. He's mostly been anti things everyone should be anti since I've been following.
@@cyberviking8110 That’s exactly what I thought….but, his left-wing BS is RIGHT under the surface. And, for what it’s worth, I could care less about his political affiliation, and hatred for Trump. To each his own. But, he’s trying to push himself off as “unbiased”….and he’s not. Not even close. But, he knows that after 4-straight years of gladly pushing all the Trump lies, he looks like an idiot with what Biden’s doing to this country. So, now he’s trying to look “neutral”, so he doesn’t look stupid. And, there’s a LOT of people that don’t know his history. Brand has yet to do one of two things….1). Simply admit he’s a left-wing activist, plain and simple……or 2). Come out and say he was 100% wrong about Trump, and if an election was held tomorrow between a Democrat or Trump, he’d vote for Trump. And, twice, now that he knows that’s legal. He won’t do either one of those two things. It’s his hypocrisy that disgusts me, not his politics.
“We don’t know how emotions scale in an online environment” is actually very profound to me. I’ve always felt it whenever i think wrongful cancellations happen but I’ve never been able to put into words that feeling.
Damn, I read your comment as Peterson said that same line...
“This will make a quite a bit of those troll demons uncomfortable when I state these facts” Jordan Peterson straight up calling us out 😂
I am glad Russell tempered him Peterson I usually avoid because although perhaps cares about what he says is very paranoid you know? So a broken person who hopefully seeks help Russell is a smart man for someone so young And yes I agree with you kind of neutral
Your name fits the bill, but your comment does not. Well done in this case! 😅🤷♂
He's wrong in many ways. First, no one cares about arguments to authority (a logical fallacy, as he should know if he's so educated) after the coof nonsense. Every "authority" has contradicted itself.
Additionally, there is a deeper function of the human brain to seek additional information and perversions. It is why people watch street fights and train wrecks. Because there is an advantage to gaining information that incurs no risk. So the draw to the "anonymous" chat will always be stronger. Which is why it persists. It's why UFO channels persist, and flat earth, and moon landings, 9/11, and JFK's murder, and any other phenomenon where the actual known facts exist outside of an individual's ability to know them first hand.
The only way to regain control over "Internet trolls" is to kill free speech on the internet. Which will render it either useless or more contentious a space.
JP is a lukewarm thinker who by happenstance managed to say the truth all his "troll" supporters had been saying for years, and continue to say: There is no scientific way to change from male to female, and anyone supporting the claim is provably lying or insane.
Peterson suffers from being vaunted to fame by the same people who made him famous: anonymous Internet trolls. The same people he then turned on and demanded they "take responsibly" and "clean their rooms."
In a vacuum, he might be right, but in the real world, "taking responsibility" means losing your employment, social status, and general means of survival unless you're willing to burn down cities and loot like your ideological opponents ALREADY do.
Natural Law isn't interested in logical arguments, made in good faith, to psychotic propagandists who ban your speech, openly attack your person, property, and allege you of fascism, racism, sexism, etc.
His fundamentals have always been shit, his fame comes from those he is now openly castigating, and he's a proven junkie cuck with mental illness. Just like Russell Brand is controlled opposition seen buddying around with Yuval Harari, who openly states that something must be done about the "useless eaters" at his WEF meetings.
Fame perverts an individual's ability to correctly perceive simultaneously the value of the opinion of the impoverished philosopher like Diogenes, and the value of their own opinion as so many sycophants cherish their every syllable.
The truth is declining EROEI is going to wipe out quality of life. And nothing the would be masters of men will do a thing about it.
He doesn’t acknowledge that him speaking out isn’t the same as Joe Blow speaking out. Joe Blow will get fired and will never land a deal with Daily Wire. We need anonymity to express ourselves online.
I was sure he was talking about me :)
Very personal and thoughtful conversation. There's so much to be gained from encouraging this kind of conversation. Much respect and thanks to you both!
Hy
Not if you been around long enough one earth to know God teaches they will still end up second death qualified lest they truly repent.
Without inputting any personal beliefs I thought this was an extremely well done interview. Neither side was cutting each other off mid sentence, and both sides were answering each other's argument without just restating their own side. Really well done both by Russell and Jordan.
Seeing two people actually allowing each other to finish speaking is what I appreciate the most here.
I can truly appreciate how each person is allowed to express their opinion without the yelling obscenities or naming calling. Just common sense communication. It’s refreshing.
Imagine if our politicians could have open and honest intelligent discussions such as this. It will never happen!!!
They wouldn't be politicians if they did.
That you claim something will never happen implies you believe that you can see the entire future of all instamces and encounters of all politicians, forever.
I don't believe you are psychic, though.
Because politicians are only in it for profit. They don’t care about our best interests. There’s no profit in that.
@@moobutt Which specific politicians don't care about our best interests and refuse to sanely debate?
Hahaha . . . no it won’t
What a beautiful conversation. Respect, humility and the pursuit of Truth and Goodness.
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+Jonathan At what point did Peterson show humility? What is the "goodness" being pursued with his simplistic, irresponsible condemnation of these "demon trolls" he has designated?
Having watched some Jordan Peterson talks recently, and having harbored a bit of anger at him, I want to say that this is such a cool conversation because I can see how both of you are trying, very honestly, to bring out the best qualities and to find that center line that you can both hang onto to be pulled forward. Keep doing this. Thank you Russell and Jordan, both.
No thanks to JP
@@krpurple2678 nerd
What has Peterson done that you would harbor anger towards him?
@@amihere383 Mainly when he gets worked up magnifying capitalism as the most important value system, while ignoring (or belittling) other value systems in the world, ignoring varied sociological viewpoints, and then backing it all up with 'straw man' arguments, cherry picking stereotypical caricatures that don't actually represent the people he purports to be talking about. But hey, I understand, that this is probably not really his intention, it's just what we humans do when we get on a roll about something, and we all need to learn to lighten up ;-)
Here, I enjoy how Russell was able to bring down Peterson's defense shields (with love and compassion) and they had a really nice, balanced, truthful conversation. We need more of that.
Definitely and it will harm his arguments. It could be the renewed religious dogma. Might go from a amazing logical debater to bully who only cares about righteous indignation
This would nearly bring a tear to my eye, because of how respectful and open this 'disagreement' is. A lot of respect to Russel for his uniting approach. I wish more people had the skill to speak to eachother in this manner.
its not that serious,you're here crying at his computer cause two men had a conversation, thats nuts LOL
@@daltonmm3675 I think it's cause it's so rare these days to have conversations this serious without it getting heated
@@daltonmm3675 yeah, stunning isn't it mate? Although I'm 99% sure this a bot. They all say the same thing
@@viperglass4536 no its not youre just conservative and every one of yall are in the comments repeating the same damn thing like robots, go outside and get off twitter ppl talk all the time
Nearly cried 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its always good to see them both together in a healthy debate
@@mostamazing4298 Yu too :)
@Bully Maguire 🅥 XYZ :)
12 MILLION RUclips followers right here!!!
you didn't even watch the video you people ruined the internet
I don't know about that. Peterson is king of a bigoted ableist racist, not a fan of him personally or other backwards thinking conservatives. Honestly, I feel like Republicans are ignorant hillbillies who can't get a clue and show off neanderthal thinking. To be fair the only thing tRUMP did that was good was release the covid vaccines which saved billions of lives and ended the pandemic. A lot of his MAGA cultists still have yet to get vaccinated though, if everyone would do their part covid would be over by now.
The brilliance here is two people who don’t see the issue the same, debating it, calmly, thoughtfully, intellectually not emotionally, while actually listening to each other and not interrupting each other. You can see and hear each of them learning from the other from a different perspective. Bravo
I really enjoy interactions like this because both make good points without letting ego block pertinence and rationale. Two of my favorite listens on one show was fabulous. Thanks, Russell and Jordan.
The internet needs more of this. Brilliant job, fellas!
The WHOLE WORLD, actually!
I absolutely love that these two men have come together in conversation. They are the two voices I have listened to most over the past 2 1/2 years. Basically since Covid hit our shores. They are vastly different personalities with entirely differing expressions of communication. One is tongue in cheek (but definitely not lacking intellect), the other intense and serious. The fact that they are conversing together gives me great hope during a social era where conversation is largely a lost social norm. Too much preaching/being talked at, too much hate, too much judging and too much one sided perspectives. I also love that Russel can challenge Jordan (a very formidable persona) but do so in a way that doesn’t condemn or judge. “Do you think…” We need that more in our interactions with people rather than the chest beating “I think…” Thank you Jordan and Russel for this dynamic chit chat.
Wonderful orators, both of them 🙂
I really enjoyed their first talk, or perhaps it was their second, I recommend checking it out.
Yes. Wonderful to see JP on Russell Brand again. I watch JP a lot. He always has something of relevance to say.
Well isn't that lovely
I like how Jordan called him out for basically being the same as him just in a more joking sarcastic / insincere manner. The thing is. Ultimately Jordan is right... however He could have a gentler presentation which might attract a wider range of listeners.. however He is not wrong in any sense of the word. His principles are sound. I'd rather Jordan be a little coarse in standing for truth than be passive or not stand at all when someone pushes an immoral narrative into the public arena.
Respectful, intelligent, adult conversation. Glad to see it.
A debate between 2 of my favourite people, whilst also both being highly intelligent, and also agreeing with everything said, is such a joy to watch. Thank you.
"Love cannot be reduced to compassion." -JP. Absolutely brilliant.
A truly brilliant statement that many need to hear and consider. It is inherently a liberal trait to do so, believing that acceptance/compassion is an ultimate virtue and all that love comprises. Which is why the understanding that humans are inherently fickle and at least self-centred leads to conservatism.
@@whirled_peas exactly they tend to let their feelings lead instead of intelligent thought.
They trust their feelings over thinking.
That's why they align things that "feel" good with other things that are good.
Compassion feels nice and if you love someone you want them to feel nice... so obviously if you love someone you show compassion...
That's a shallow understanding of the concepts and is false.
Yes if you love someone you WANT them to feel nice... but also if you love them you want them to be better off in control of their own life. You want them to be treated as equals and not as lesser people.
Well that requires honesty. They have to know things to make choices to be in control and they have to know the truth to make good decisions.
However the truth can hurt. It would be compassionate to save them from that hurt... at a cost of something far greater. Their freedom. That's what manipulation is... a way to enslave someone outside of fair trade without bonds or laws.
If you have to manipulate them to save them from some hurt then you have taken their freedom.
And is the hurt even worth it? Would you enslave your friend just so they don't learn that their outfit isn't attractive? Many do.
Their friends and families freedom and control over their own individual lives is unimportant compared to the risk of hurting that relationship.
I'd rather they keep being my friend than be mad at me.
That's selfish. Not compassion. Helping someone up after they have been knocked down is compassion. Waiting for them is compassion.
Keeping them safe from everything that could possibly hurt them is not compassion. Even if it's you that is doing whatever that makes them hurt.
But there is no love without compassion. Maybe an abusive parent can use that as an excuse.
He apparently needs to brush up his logic on necessary vs sufficient conditions.
Besides no one seeks his love. Just leave people alone.
He is only brilliant for the dim bulbs.
@@jacobnash9755 long winded strawman.
@@kammonkam4905 long winded false stament.
You can have compassion without love and also love without compassion.
There is nothing in their definitions that requires the other to be present.
One would argue that the ultimate compassion is to show it to someone you do not have any love for.
Also it is a very common theme in stories for parents to withhold compassion and punish their children harshly so that they won't make the same mistakes later when the world would likely kill them instead of just punishing them.
You have wrongly conflated the two as I already described many to do.
Obviously you shouldn't be suggesting that others need to brush up on logic when you fail at the most basic levels indicating that you have no basic understand of the meaning of logic..
Your entire line of reasoning is an excuse to be an extensigly emotionally abusive parent.
Your "love" that requires compassion is not love.
So you need to brush up on what love is.
I love you that's why I try to control every aspect of your life out of compassion instead of supporting positive growth.
That's not love. Love would require acceptance of how someone is diepite it being right or wrong.
Your "love" does not contain requirements of love.
You suggest (I take it) that Peterson is only "brilliant to the dim bulbs."
Well the only error I can find with that is that it is a relative statment and YOU made it.
Unless you were speaking from a point of view much much brighter than yourself, your relative statment is false.
Objectfully it would be taken from the level of average intellect. Which would just make your statment a lie. I believe I am right to suggest that you are not so stupid as to make that "mistake." Maybe I am wrong and you are below average intellect and only posing with authority of knowing something... that's likely as your staments are very flawed... but I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt of being one of those that was above average but not enough to actually discern those far above yourself by their reasoning.
You seem rather dim from my point of view and while compartive to myself I would not hold Peterson as brilliant, I can see no objection with holding him in such high regard compared to the common "above average" individual... most of whom seem pretty dim.
I do not see myself as brilliant nor on Petersons level. He outpaces me. I just think brilliance is a gap of more than 10 by the measures of IQ (again as accepted my Mensa). Peterson is close to 160 I would guess. Maybe higher but I'm geared the same as he and I don't find anything he's said to be that enlightening. Only in his masterful use of descriptions and quick analogies do I find myself in awe. Not what he comes up with but how fast he can put it togeather and send it off in retort.
However I'm intelligent enough to truly conceive of things smarter than myself.
Idiots tend to know that fact without understanding while above average people tend to fail miserably at the concept.
You fail at it. That's why it was easy to peg you. Ever so slightly above average but doesn't like to think when they think they don't have to.
When debates are done like this you don’t feel the need to pick a side. You’re open to hearing both opinions.
Imagine people of that level of maturity running the world.
Another thing which should be banned is misleading clickbait YT titles. Inflating discussion to conflict is a common tactic. There is no HEATED gender debate here. Just polite disagreement on some matters.
Great to see two individuals having a civilized conversation. We need more of this even if you don't agree with the opposite side.
Peterson literally said that people with views he dislikes are demons. What would it take for you to see something as uncivilized???
I see two men blatantly talking over women who have the most to lose from this ideology.
that would require people to have common sense.
@@SolidSnake240 I believe it will come with time, most likely we will see it when we near the end of our lives
@@SolidSnake240 and that's the biggest problem .
I wouldn't say this was heated, this was a thoughtful debate and I'm here for it.
"heated" in title was there to move it up in the algorithm's sensational rating - An unfortunate byproduct of online metrics that would leave us all watching kitten and puppy videos if not used to create the dramatic impact to move it up the ratings.
Oops - quick edit to disclaim that I have nothing against kitten and puppy videos - they most certainly have their place for happy moment needs.
@@bpro3762 I agree, I don't believe they should be playing the algorithm game. Plenty of subscribers!
@@2HatHudders
I don't like it much, yet an unfortunate 'evil' as the algorithm game helps attract new viewers who would otherwise not get the benefit of the content as we subscribers do. So it helps get good content to more folk for all to benefit.
Pleased to have met you sir.
- Bern -
I agree,far from heated but rather constructive
Russell, don't push your religion on us OR your gender views. Keep the channel neutral. You just lost one subscriber. bud. Peace
If people actually talked like this in politics and in the corporate world and just in society in general, we wouldn’t have the problems we have in the world today. This was a great conversation by two stand up gentleman who know how to be grown-up and how to be respectful To each other’s opinions.
Especially over such an absurd topic.
War is started by people who are too angry to think their problems through with others constructively.
It would be nice but politicians aren't talking to solve problems. They talk to protect self interests and their money. They talk to protect the gravy train that the special interest groups enjoy.
If all of the public figures did, the whole world would change immensely in a matter of weeks.
I don't always agree with Russell nor do I always agree with Peterson but I like them both. They both bring a lot to the table.
It's great to see two minds discussing complex problems and going several layers below the current shallowness that tends to dominate the mass media. Thanks Russel and Jordan, for a refreshing discussion that leads to deep thinking! 😀
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Two mind's? More like two gatekeepers pretending to be on opposite ends to reach the same consensus.
This whole conversation started with both wanting to end internet anonymity and make people publicly accountable for free speech, Russel pretends to wrap his concerns up in "how do we promote love and kindness" the other "people become demonic entities when they gather anonymous"
That's fantastic....with new hate speech laws (that could mean anything to anybody) and a Chinese based social credit system that monitors your online speech we are losing any free speech we barely had.
Both of which are neither experts on the subject or have personal experience.
So Jordan Peterson is VEHEMENTLY against Net Neutrality... Which is strange because in order to have any hope of a real impact you would need to cut-off the internet globally into "national" internets like that of China, the DPRK, or to a less extent countries like Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan.
Sorry to piggy-back on your comment but it's crazy how much of a deeply hypocritical and dangerous opinion it is to have for an "educated", "freedom-aligned" man like Jordan Perteron...
I guess Doc is right I really am an anonymous clout-chasing hater. The fact that I grew up under a dictatorship that used Bull Amesys Intelligence/Surveillance Software and 20 000 Employees (in a country of 10 mil.) to monitor the population around the clock has nothing to do with it.
They just need to put us all on the Wawa Juice Diet just like Kanye already.
@@DJWESG1 So you have the knowledge and the experience, tell me transauto gender xxx chromosom what were they missing?
This is a fantastic conversation between two people who have obvious deep respect for one another.
Differing world views clashing in a productive and exemplifies manner. Not as titillating as the title suggests, but so much more fulfilling.
Some “journalists” should watch this.
Well done by both men, no shouting over each other, just a respectful conversation!
Love it!
wholeheartedly believe the main reason this conversation was civil was because Russell leads with so much love and logic that it's damn near impossible to attack him. what a gem.
Agree. And a big part is because they generally agree about a lot of the most common social topics of conversation. Generally being on the same side of the core issues even if you disagree on the remedy allows people to hear others better without their defense mechanisms being on full alert. Put folks in a room with someone who disagrees on the core issue and you can expect a lot more friction and defensiveness even amongst the most rational thinkers.
@@GMUTaylor6 you have 100% fallen for Brands audience capture if you think that him and Peterson are on the same page on most issues. Russell Brand is and has been left wing on nearly everything and has been for over a decade. He just knows that most of his clicks come from the pandemic debate so is very very careful to gear his content toward right wing talking points and ensure he never commits to a position left enough to be ditched by 2/3 of his audience. He is very clever in that he has convinced the US audience that because he points out that the Democrats are guilty of many of the things the Republicans are attacked for, that he is somehow sympathetic to the right. He’s shrewd. It’s why I have lost respect for the channel. I am all for open debate and removing labels but not when that is used as a way of driving views and ad revenue. That is exactly what the MSM that he criticises so much does. His RUclips channel is disingenuous and it’s completely at odds with the man.
@@davidcjupp I have seen his content evolve over time much like Joe Rogan or even Lex. What I can't know is how much is audience capture vs changing opinions over time. I frankly don't listen to any of them too regularly anymore because some of their espoused opinions or areas of agreement with their guests are too shallow in their thinking given other past conversations where I have seen them think much deeper about an issue than simple surface level conclusions.
The fact that "twitter" means this much to anyone and warrants this much discussion boggles the rational mind. Why is our entire civilization so reliant on something so insignificant?
Twitter is only for the intellectuals...
Bad parenting.
I've never been on Twitter myself, and have no desire to. But I don't think it can be considered insignificant at all. It's basically taking the idea of the town square and cranking it up to a million. Where in the old days a person could go out and say whatever he wanted and be heard by however many people happened by while he was talking, now a person can just type out a little tweet and any number of people can read it. Weather he's a brilliant person or a complete lunatic. To me that's significant.
You answered your own question. It's not insignificant if our entire civilization is reliant on it.
@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M Reliant is saying way too much when there are 7 billion people in the world and the vast majority do not use it. Remove all the bots playing as people and you might find only a few hundred million of the most deranged people on earth, trolls, companies + the systems employees and satanic representatives like politicians, "journalists", celebs etc.
Certainly I do not rely on it for anything other than propaganda and tribal activism and I don't seek that crap out. I avoid it like the plague because it's worse than the plague. I don't watch the "news" which is exactly why I know 10x more about what happens in the world than people who do watch the "news".
The only ones reliant on that crap are NPC's, normies and woke people. I basically said idiot three times so everyone understands. It is what it is.
What a fantastic conversation. Very refreshing to hear adults talk about such a charged and controversial subject with so much obvious desire to understand the other’s perspective. If only society could take a page from these gentlemen’s book and engage each other the same way.
I would love to hear these two modern day philosophers have another respectful conversation again soon.
I wish they would have touched on the difference between being nice and being kind. Christ was kind, not nice to make people feel good. Kindness is sometimes telling hard truths, niceness is sometimes lying to spare feelings, but hurts the person more in the long run. Be kind, not nice.
This is what we want our culture to move to, respectful discussion that gives us an UNDERSTANDING of different viewpoints over a certain subject. What we see here is the future of how we as humans will handle our differences, (no need to solve the differences rather understand them, but solving them is still possible) and how we will debate and tackle issues in society. Very stoked!
Agreed, this was truly inspiring, especially from the perspective of them actually challenging each other’s axioms and presuppositions. Sometimes, both Russel and Jordan start building their statements and arguments from some fundamental truism they never go back to examine (“as it goes without saying”, for them, I guess) but here they made each other look hard at their starting points and elaborate and explain their motivations and approach under each other’s sharp scrutiny. I believe they both came out of this clearer thinkers and better debaters.
I can totally relate to JP.
At 14 years old I felt I was too tall
(5ft 9in) .tallest girl in the class .
I was desperate to find a surgeon to operate on me so I could be shorter , I can laugh about it now , at the time I was very determined and very unhappy.
Thank you both for showing people the correct way to have a conversation and debate topics with differing viewpoints. It’s really incredibly refreshing.
I’m with Jordan on this one. Protecting children so they CAN choose with a sound mind is absolutely paramount.
My Father had a sign above his office. “what is your intention”.
And I guess you have to ask yourself and also examine others by this very thought. It would make everything change.
I agree. Clinical psychologists have enough experience to call something "evil," when it's all said and done. They don't do it out of spite, but sobriety from a deep understanding of human nature. Such conclusion could be deemed judgmental or emotional. RB is just objective without seeing the damage such "evil" could produce up close and personal. Naturally, it's easier for him to call out Peterson for being judgmental and emotional. Their personal experiences are completely different.
I agree with you. It really is tricky. The parents who are willing to put their child through something like that truly believe they are protecting their child. Outsiders who oppose this believe they are protecting children just as much as the parents. Both sides view the other as dangerous to children. What a stalemate we have.
@@Birdylockso Clinical psychologists, at least good ones don't use terms like "evil". It's not scientific or clinical language. It's very questionable behaviour as a clinical psychologist to do so
The issue is that you are not going to win anyone over, and in fact alienate the very people you are trying to save. Do you think insulting trans people is going to convince anyone not to be trans? probably not. They're just going to think you are a bad person and disregard anything you say.
@@franklingoodwin Are you one? Morgan Scott Peck was an American psychiatrist and best-selling author who wrote the book The Road Less Traveled, along with his follow up book, "People of the Lie," he talked about "evil" people extensively. If you are not a clinical psychologist, maybe don't presume about their do's and don'ts?
These guys are by far my two favorite voices to listen to. These men have changed my life. Excellent conversation, important subject and over to quickly. It must be time for Rumble…
Truly excellent discussion. Thoughtful, honest, respectful. We need much much more like it.
It's still sex not gender.
Rewatch the video @remnant. I don’t think you’ve learned anything from the video, in relation to, how to have a balanced and adult discussion
@@liamfirkin2145 No such word as "rewatch" to us Rightist linguists who seek to be custodians and purists of accurate, correct, ordered, precise, proper and sound intelligent English. If you can't get simple things correct, then you stating 'rewatch' and then "i don't you've learned anything from the video, in relation to, how to have a balanced adult discussion". only further compounds the profound illusory delusion you are in that you have incandescent perspicacity that you really do not. You're exactly the ghost channel Jordan is referring to.
Jordan Peterson is passionate more than angry. He cares so much that he gets incredibly passionate and emotional because of how much he cares.
This feels like less like a debate and more like two sides of a brain trying to work out a problem. Definitely nice to hear a conversation where someone is not trying to “win” but be understood.
It's very uplifting to see this two having a conversation! They're respectful of each other. If half of the world could do that...
Let's converse right away with the above 📝...🎖️⬆️,,,!
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@@chiritaalex who is that? a jew i presume
These two intelligent gentlemen refining each other is so refreshing to witness.
In a world where people have given away their logic, acting only on the impulses of emotion Jordan Peterson is absolutely a refreshing and welcomed reversal. He backs up his feelings and emotions with truth and facts. I think the world would be a better place if we all expressed ourselves like Jordan Peterson.
It's what I'm saying as well.
Russell is also a very brilliant, well educated, and creative and compassionate mind in his thinking and approach with a strong dash of slightly silly humor peppered in for levity. I think a whole series of discussions on various topics between them would be a very enlightening and well rounded series.
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The epitome of "agreeing to disagree" demonstrated by two great thinkers of our time. They respect one another and allow each other the room to present their views. We need more conversations like this to take place across the board.
👍🙏
So you’re ok with child genital mutilation
russel brand is not a great thinker
@@Stoicstruggle seems like you missed one of the points JP was making.
@@shurnbrendt7581 nope. I'm simply stating a fact.
I could watch the two of you discussing almost any topic all day. This is the sort of level headed debate we need to keep driving generate more peace and bring opposing views together more.
Jesus said, "I tell you the truth no one will see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." For God so loved the world that He give His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the World through Him. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, and All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. " If you want to be sure of Heaven and avoid the other place below say the following prayer sincerely from your heart." Lord Jesus I repent and am sorry for my sins forgive me. I forgive all who have offended me. Come into my heart and save me. I accept you as my Lord and Saviour. Fill me with your Holy Spirit and baptise me with your Holy Spirit. Fulfill your plan and purpose in my life. "I recommend you read John's Gospel especially chapter 3.Gbu.John 3v3v22,John 14v6.
2 freemasons? who both just happen to play controlled opposition for the Rothschild family?
Consider how hungry the people are for genuine intelligent content. How paltry and superficial the majority of our media is today.
Those people who dont mince their words for fear of accessibility will surely find an audience in time.
THE TRUTH IS,,,, for me.... Jordan IS generally an angry man. He's a proud animal abuser too.... and he basically doesn't understand love like russell. Its that simple.
What a fantastic conversation/debate. Two men I really respect trying to get to the truth of things.
It is very interesting to me that "empathetic" people often mistake "intensity" as "anger". There was not a disagreement of information, just how it was presented. Dr. Peterson did not seem "angry" to me, just intense about what he was saying. When "empathetic" people hear others that are intense, it always raises the feelings of anger. It's just interesting.... because online information has NO intensity, only anger to those that disagree.
Bravo, thank you for your summary!
Exactly, very few get this. And even if he was a little angry so what? Russell thinks we should love everyone and has very utopian hippie view of the world that really isn’t reality, still a good dude though.
@@mromero120 I completely agree. Russell is great for what he's doing and speaking out but there will always be strife in the world. To say the world needs to be based on compassion is missing the point of love and is incredibly naive. This is coming from someone who used to be in his hippie boat. What the world needs is respect for each other. That would actually be beneficial.
We can aspire to be both respectful and compassionate. That would be ideal.
This is a great example of how people should listen and think about eachothers points whilst debating. I wish more debates were like this 🙌🏻
What type of debate is this though ? RB acknowledging acknowledging trans people exist and JP not acknowledging it ?
It's hard not to have a great deal of admiration for these guys. I think what makes the conversation so interesting, for me, is that regardless of some differences in opinion, the conversation is moving in a direction of understanding. Those are the talks that you may walk away from mentally exhausted, but feeling fortunate to have engaged in it.
agreed!, i never liked russel, but when i discovered this channel around when covid hit, i saw that hes changed quite a bit and hes eventually grown on me, i might not agree with everything he says, especially his ultra relativistic-hedonistic view on life, but the fact that hes always advocating for conversations, to talk with others instead of just yelling at them like most people do nowadays, is SUCH a refreshing thing to witness, and nothing but respect for him in that.
Actually dicussions like this don't make me exhausted, they charge me up. I like a good argument. I said good not bad. Meaning the discussion stands a chance of moving into agreement and the purpose of it is a true talk through of facts as well as perspectives with a view toward a fuller understanding. Agree, more discussion like this is needed. Too many avoid them.
@@ynotbme0 I agree. I'm saying the process of finding common ground can be the part that is exhausting. Not that it always is.
100% agree with your observation.
@@apan990it is hard to find people who agree to disagree and have civil conversations these days. I find myself steering away from any "commercial media" to find meaningful content.
I liked Peterson when he was just a libertarian free speech advocate. Ask him about religion or gender, and he'll start tossing word salad the likes to which Michael Eric Dyson could never aspire.
My favorite thing about Russell is that he actually writes down notes in these debates. He listens carefully when being criticized and doesn’t gas-light in response like many people when they’re faced with criticism.
He's actually writing down his lunch order.
@@catloveralways 😆
I love that!
this is a great great video. I think the two approaches, the one Russell uses, and the one Jordan uses, passive and aggressive are Both Necessary, we live in a world where there's a multitude of personalities, to think one way is the absolute way to getting ones pint across, to really making someone acknowledge the problem and hand, is an inefficient way of thinking. we need both, in fact, Russell and Jordan would be the perfect team in solving today's problems of the world.
@@rodneyrule4285 Russell Brand in every video tears someone down or something down and criticises it. Every video. In what world is he passive? He does it in a humorous way, but let's not pretend humour makes it passive.
Or do you have your own definition of passive?
Jordan is an amazing orator. He always speaks so clearly, everyone can understand what he means about any given topic. He’s brilliant.
Be not seduced by oratory skill.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 his content is also amazing, the fact that he can speak clearly only allows us to see his ideas. Although there are some who completely miss his points
his opinions are right wing verging on fascist, inaccurate, is a propagandist and total fraud....yes his diction is good. Hitler was known for his oratory skills.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 derp
@@Jkngz J... you seem young, are you ?
This is how conversations should be. It’s ok totally to have different outlooks and opinions but they listened to each other and that is a massive key to sensible discourse. Please do this again guys. It’s what we need more of in the world. Thank you.
As a white mid 50’s heterosexual male, I have some sympathy with the transgender community, we’re all taking the high ground from what our heterosexual mind and what we’ve perceived as normal. We know there are transgender people ( boys who feel like girls and the other way round etc) so they are obviously trying to tell us something and be seen and fit into society. The problem I have is the idiots jumping on the bandwagon because it’s rebellious or trendy and just making it worse for everyone. Plus the sexualisation in the classroom is not necessary. The people obviously made it to adulthood let the children be and when they’re old enough they can decide for themselves.
Honestly the most simplest and logical way to see it is: what does the Natural Order (God) dictate? The Natural Order is based on survival + procreation. Anything that defies that is «sinning».
The Natural Order made our bodies what they are. A biological male will ALWAYS be a male and a biological female will ALWAYS be a female. No amount of medical intervention can change that. But as you can imagine, if the government and social media are corrupting the minds of everyone with this crap and especially to children and if no one is procreating, this poses an obvious risk to the survival of our society.
My hypothesis as to why most people are against this is since it poses a danger to our societal survival, we sense this at an evolutionary instinctual level.
I like to equate it to ants. There’s a mushroom called cordyceps that mortally infects ants. It doesn’t kill the ant right away but it makes it do weird things. When one ant of the colony senses another ant has been infected, it goes to great lengths to take the infected ant far far away from the rest of the colony because the cordyceps mushroom has been known to wipe out entire colonies of ants.
Again, this is at an instinctual level. As long as anything poses a risk to our survival and procreation, there will always be resistance.
Gender and sexuality are in no way the same thing.
Great comment, well put.
This was a lovely conversation. Sincere, real, thought provoking and non-judgemental. Superb.
It's nice to see such a thing in our day and age
And the authority will label this as "disinformation"
Internet gurus pimping subjectivity. There's no shortage of those?
That's nonsense. The very first things that JP said were massively judgemental!
I love these discussions. Lovely, useful, respectful: what more can I say?
God BLESS you both.
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