FIREBALL 25 - 6L6 vs KT77 Shootout
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2024
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After a pizza and some German beer, I am thicker in the mids.
I wanna have a Fireball 25 SE with the Features of the Ironball 25 SE and the Sound of the Fireball 25.
But... they sound on same ballpark..
Yes. That would be awesome.
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I was searching for this video for a couple months and just found it and you only posted hours ago so thank you very much for doing it. It’s a big deal actually.
I am really starting to love the sound of 6V6 power tubes recently. I think that’s why I love the Soldano Astro so much. It seems like 80% of the amps out there use either EL’s or 6L6’s, so I’m enjoying the amps that use something different.
I agree with you: the difference is negigible. But reducing the Fireball 25 to a pure metal amp doesn't do it justice. It's got a great clean channel which you can push into overdrive and the distortion channel can produce a fantastic classic rock tone, too.
@@garyslash7552 I am pushing its clean with SD-1 and compressor and the sound is stellar. I like it more than the overdrive channel. It has even more definition and clarity.
Danke, danach habe ich schon lange gesucht
Volume aligned and no difference at all, confirms that the only freaking difference is headroom for volume and breakup.
Almost like the purpose of a power section is clean, uncolored amplification. 🤔
Cool video man! The FB25 is so cool! Even thought the sonic difference might be subtle I still think it's cool that they're making these different versions!
Always love this !
Thanks to you and Engl for doing this! I was wondering what the differences were myself, as I have been eye balling the Engl Fireball 25 for some time. They just don't carry them in my neck of the woods, unfortunately. The only K77 versions were limited runs here in the US, but now I know what they sound like. To me, the differences were very subtle, but maybe those differences will be important to some people.
Thank you for this
The difference for me is…the grill.
The KT77 is going to look beautiful on my new custom cab…and that’s what matters as a home player and one who uses gear as interior design :)
The white one sounds thinner
I remember that thread 🤣 Thanks for actually doing the video.!
I expected a bigger difference between the high gain sounds, the KT77 sounds slightly fuller on the clean channel. I'm keping my 6L6 Fireball, thanks for the great shootout.
There's tolerance differences in all the components (sometimes up to 10-20% depending on sourcing) that make up the preamp staging, pots, resistors, caps etc.. etc..etc.. Just setting all the knobs at the same setting doesn't tell the whole story. I bet you could dial them in to sound ever more close to the same. Not saying the power tubes being a different model wouldn't make some very small difference, but there's way more going on that just the power tubes. And then add to that it's rare someone isn't going to also have an OD and and EQ in there somewhere. I bet you could stand two of the 6L6 model next to each other and set the knobs to the same settings and still hear some variation. Just get whichever one is cheaper or that you like the aesthetics of more.
One is just as likely to see more difference between any two of the exact same model as with the KT77 vs the 6L6.
Well, white will make it probably brighter. If not, you can ask Kohle Audio Kult for his new bright mic. That will help for sure.
Where did you get the isolation pads that are in between the amps? Thank you! 😊
I think it’s just some packaging from something
@@EytschPi42 I see!
I heard that KT77 tubes have a special thing in them made from something they found in a bunker, under an old air base. So it’s better.
Nice comparison.
Both amps sound good. Normally I don't would like a white amp, but for me it sounds better than the other. 🙃
NGL, as the kids would say, "A black and gold Les Paul through a white and gold Engl FB 25 KT77 would be the optimal tone.😏
The KT77 amp was definitely compressing more than the 6L6 amp, but I'm not sure if that was because the KT77's provide less headroom or if was due to component tolerance differences between the pots on both amps.
What absolutely did *not* change, however, was the EQ curve. Both of those power sections sounded about as flat as they come.
Your videos are much better than glen's. Keep up the awesome work!
i think the black one have fuller sound and more bass.i like it more and i like more also how it looks with those iron bars.i think its time to buy my self a engl amp.i never had one or had the chance to test one.i have 5150,laney irt 60 ,and boss katana 100 head.i want that engl tho ;(
On clean white amp what a little tiny bit more scooped, on high gain black amp was a little tiny bit more scooped. And I'm pretty much sure two 6L6 or two KT77 amps could me more different then these two, because it's parts tolerance that makes the difference.
Exactly as I suspected. No perceived difference. What I do when I listen to these types of videos is I pretend like I don't know anything I am just a listener that's it. And from that aspect there's no effing difference!!!🙃 But from a musician there is a slight difference as you said not enough to make me buy one or the other I actually would rather get the 6L6. I have used those before and those are for Americans lol😊 But seriously the black one sounds more metal😅 Great video as always you make it very entertaining and enjoyable to watch something a lot of us probably already know the outcome of. Enjoy your weekend thank you
Dude! I need a comparison between a black 6L6 vs white 6L6, color makes a difference in tone.
#tonecolor
But please don't forget the amps color makes a tiny difference at best, while the color of the guitar makes a massive differenece. And of course what kind of coating is used. Nitro not only makes everything smell better, but also sound better. And when it's purple... You can't even imagine.
Can you please shit out a 6505 mini with the pseudo-boogie mod and compare with the Fireball 25 KT77? Seriously, thanks for this review!
If he does that, he will have to pay a shitload of money to his proctologist.
what's the mod?
So hard to notice anything different that moving a pot for volume,gain or the EQ controls a fraction couldn't correct..even the differences in tolerance of any one component could be enough to make the difference between the 2 amps.
Fully agreed. The white one is dope.
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Oh! I mean, yeah there is little difference.
Glenn has entered the chat.
he knows NOTHING
Sound like the KT77 had a little bit more gain and volume
Der 6L6‘er klingt einen Tick tighter,hat einen Bandtauglichen Low-Cut,also gut händelbar im Low-End(nicht falsch verstehen,der ist schon wuchtig unten rum,aber lässt sich trotzdem richtig gut einstellen)und klingt ein ganz kleines bisschen mittiger. Der KT77‘er hat etwas mehr Biss in den Obertönen,und etwas mehr Low-End.Ich würde beim 6L6 bleiben,lieber etwas mittiger,im Gesamtmix nen Tacken besser zu orten.Zuviel Low End bedeutet Ärger mit dem Bass und dem Drummer (Bezogen auf die Base) im Gesamtsound.Sußerdem finde ich die String-Clarity beim 6L6 sehr angenehm und gut hörbar,das geht beim KT77 ein bisschen unter.Den KT77 würde ich eher für den Rock-Bereich nehmen(oder nen Tubescreamer beimischen,um den Low-End Bereich etwas aufzuräumen),den 6L6 eher für Metal in allen Ausrichtungen.Beides geile Amps🤘
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On it… I already have the banana
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Thank you for the video, for my use, it does not justify 100€ more, I would take the normal 6L6.
to me the 6l6's sound higher pitched and the kt66 had more low mid to it
The mids on the white one are a tad more pushed and the black is a bit fatter or perhaps a tiny bit scooped in the mids. The difference is negligible......but there is most definitely a difference.
love my Fireball 25, disliked the Ironball. Was hoping for a small box Savage/Founders/Artist Edition etc., why this?
maybe wait...
the kt77 sounds waaaaay thicker.
Henning, ab 14:00 zwitschern dei Vöschelsche so schee drausse.
This to me sounds like what Steven Fryette talks about during his interview with Kohle Audio Kult. He said that amps built with different tubes in mind have different transformers, phase inverters etc. so it's not just the tubes that change between different tube versions of the same amp but quite a few other smaller stuff as well (link to the interview: ruclips.net/video/XtrW3-d3V1E/видео.html). So, probably a better tube comparison would be to change the tubes of the same amp and rebias. That being said, I imagine you could probably 'tone' match(is this a thing?) these amps to sound exactly the same with EQ settings
There is a big difference in strings clarity in the last test. With 6L6 you can actually hear strings ringing. Open strings with 6L6 are not so much distorted like with KT77. KT77 has better cleans and low gain for sure. It sounds fuller and warmer. High gain is tough. I probably like the 6L6 version more thanks to better definition of mids. KT77 sounds scooped but maybe it could be improved by the mid boost. KT77 highs sound bad to my ears. 6L6 sometimes sounds boxy. Thanks for the video, it really helped me to choose :)
Contact Paul Gilbert and ask him what type of pick-ups he would like in his fireman guitar that you build for him. This one or better one for him
Lots of knowledge, lots of skill... lots of shtick... the goofball delivery gets old, my friend.
Nah
Nah
Well obviously the black and white amps sound identical on RUclips - almost everything does. Henning should have dispensed with the pointless shootout and just given us his opinion :)
They sound the same
@@EytschPi42 Yeah got that - so just say it in a 1 minute video. I respect your opinion - the shootouts are a waste of time :)
Which one is which? Don't want to watch 8 minutes blabbering introduction, thx.
This is a nonlinear platform…. Don’t be stupid
@@EytschPi42 Nonlinear means the title has to be obnoxious? Ok, boomer.
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Glenn fricker would say you waste your money bc they sound the same ....lol
I've never heard ENGLs sound so bad
Oh boy
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