Oda is just a veteran DM. Yeah, he had different plans prepared behind his DM screen, but then the players decided to go on a random side quest. So, then he's like "okay I guess we are doing this for next three years now.".
Yeah, that's his biggest assets as a mangaka, the ability to go with the flow and make it look like he had It all planned out. Remember, this is serializes storytelling, and it must be able to last as long as there's interest in the story.
Oda never planned for him to join back with the straw hats, but go to elbaph with limo and kashi. This could just be expanded plans for elbahp. Usopp could die in this arc if u use this logic
Nah. She has a husband who keeps forgetting to bring home Ben and Jerry's ice cream (this was stated a few videos back, all the comments were about it lol)
It's impossible to create videos with this amount of editing with this much quantity of videos released WITHOUT having a team or hired at least one editor for. Generally a one man team on RUclips that uploads regularly, have low amounts of edits, not much production value involved or they're vlogging.
You guys are all being ridiculous, Australia is at the bottom so they can’t have basements because if you dig a hole the dirt goes up. He has them locked in the attic.
I'll have to disagree. That guy and that guy fighting 100% happened. Oda was referring to huge battles that happened in Egghead. Law vs Blackbeard, Shanks vs Kid, Kuzan vs Garp etc. Same with the Lurking Legend. He was 100% referring to Imu. BTW. Even if Oda didn't plan to have an Elbaf arc, that doesn't mean he didn't have plan for giants and Loki. He might just put any plot points that concern them within the Elbaf arc now.
You’re giving Oda’s planning too much credit. I’m not saying he’s not a master planner cause he’s definitely planned a lot of stuff way ahead. It there’s almost equally many things he’s had to improvise, sometimes almost at the spot. Some examples: The 11 Supernovas, The Seven Warlords, Vivi (I think 🤔). This isn’t a bad thing per say, I was reading a thread on Reddit discussing how much they think is planned and how much they think is improvised and the most answers that o agreed with are those that said thing along with him planning enough ahead and then leaving gaps to be able to go back and change stuff or fill in stuff he hasn’t decided on yet. Sorry for messy comment but basically I think he plans most but leaves maybe 10-20% up for improv in case he feels like he would like to either change stuff as he goes along or change stuff later on.
You right the battle Royale def happen with all the different fight in the egghead arc but just not all happening in one location like a typical battle royale
This stuff always makes me thing that Oda doesn't just plan every arc he will begin, but plans how to tie that arc directly with the final arc in case for whatever reason the Shonen Jump gives him a deadline so the story in any case will receive a proper end
I like to think when planning arcs he would ask himself "What would Luffy Do?" And knowing his own characters well he'd know Luffy wouldn't pass up Elbaph and so Oda is like "OK you heard the man, let's make and Elbaph arc"
@@ReiseLukas That's generally how great authors operate, they're discovering the story as they're writing it, being led along by the characters and the world.
Oda had the storyboard for onepiece mapped out before he started drawing it, he's added to it and changed it, but he's had everything he knew he NEEDED for his story already planned out, even with these changes he makes it fit because he knows the connecting threads he has to attach
@@IntimacyMN Yeah, totally. Given some recent leaks (which may or may not be totally accurate), it seems like we will be getting some Shanks lore at Elpath. I theorize that Oda is using the opportunity to spread out his lore dumps so that not everything is dropped onto readers' heads in the finale arcs.
My man, One Piece is Shueisha's trump card. There's no such thing as them giving Oda a deadline, unless they start hating money. If it were up to them, it would never end.
Sounds more like Elbaph was originally planned, Oda ended up taking longer than he expected and thought of writing around it but ultimately changed his mind and went with the original plan. It was mentioned too often to not go there and every time one of the crew said they wanted to go to a specific place they have gone there baring Raftel and the All blue for obvious reasons, one being the end destination and the other not being confirmed to even exist.
This just makes me yearn for ALL of the things that ended up in Oda's rubbish bin. If he was fully prepared to ditch Elbaf as recently as last year, what else has he ditched without any fanfare at all? Given everything we *have* seen, it's hard to even imagine.
I think Nami and Zoro's backstory were pretty much left on the cutting room floor. Hers was supposed to be linked in a movie, it was confirmed. Everyone was anticipating Zoro's during Wano, and there are a few glimpses of a potential of one, but it never got realized. Makes me think that Oda just decided to scrap it. He did have a good reason for it (at least when explaining Nami's) as it didn't really serve any purpose for the larger story he was telling. I wonder what else he could've potentially left as well tho.
Not really. By that logic they should never have stopped at any island whatsoever except Elbaph since Usopp gets the "can't go to the island disease" each and every time a new one is on the horizon.
@@tobiaswedin after rereading the manga, that disease is less relevant than I remembered. I think it's happened maybe once post time skip on punk hazard
@@xandex69 But would Big Mom agree with Loki wanting to destroy the world? She can't have her so-called paradise if everyone is wiped out. Kaido would have gotten along with Loki when it comes to destroying the world.
What's strange is that "PH" is used in English words that are actually Greek words and it replaces the letter "Φ". Elephant - Ελέφαντας Philosophy - Φιλοσοφία Alpha- Άλφα
I see the "free for all fight" message fulfilled in Egghead because we had often pairings like Kid vs. Shanks, Law vs. Blackbeard, Garp vs. Aokiji, Blackbeard vs. Boa vs. Koby and so on in this arc. And I personally think that Loki looks like his silhouette in his devil fruit form.
@@tobiaswedin The free for all message doesn't have to mean mass fights. It can simply relate to the fact that some (most?) battles in the Egghead arc are clearly not the ones you would have expected before.
@f.carasind4188 no, free-for-all is an actual fighting term meaning "everyone against everyone" - and with the marines, gods knights, Roger pirates and Rocks pirates in the frey it is 100% this Oda meant.
@@IvanKhamala to be clear I meant the role, not the gender, I should have specified because One piece could also do that too lol. This means in the spirit of Vivi, Shirahoshi, etc Luffy rescues them to help their hijinx despite them being powerful.
I truly didn't think Elbaph would have its own antagonist to be honest. I always believe it would end up like Zou or something and simply act as a lore dump arc connecting us to the next island. So yeah, I might be in the minority, but I never expected Elbaph to become so seemingly pivotal...
Nice! You actually mentioned Dawn and Dusk insted of just stealing the ideas without any credit like every other big One Piece RUclips channel does. I truly think only you and Artur Library of Ohara are the only ones that doesnt constantly rip off Dawn and Dusk.
I really love the idea that Oda is blaming Luffy for going to Elbaph, as much as Oda is the story teller, Luffy has basically broken the 4th wall and told Oda that Elbaph MUST happen😂
That would honestly be kind of hilarious, he was a little dorky teenager when he proposes to chiffon, got rejected and bro in responce decided to hit the griddy and became the mountain we see today Literaly the strongest giant ever aparently, and it would be very one piece if it was all because of a love rejection
That's what I think too. The recent leaks for the upcoming chapter hint at more Shanks lore, so it wouldn't surprise me that Oda is using Elbath to spread out more of the vital backstory of the world before hitting into high gear for the big finale.
Oda: *underwent plenty of world building and lore expansion of One Piece world* Mashima: "I'm just focusing everything on Fiore as if the world revolves around it literally."
I could see Elbaf not being planned contributing to some of the consistency errors in that one chapter. He might have still been working shopping character designs up to the last minute and didn't have enough time to go through everything and clean it up properly.
Loki may have been like the previously illustrated image of him but his DF changed him. Could be a good way to dive into what the DF's are and how they have personalities.
I would have flipped if Oda decided to skip it. To be fair at the moment, we have no specific reason to come to Elbaf which feel so weird after three consecutive arcs with a clear goal all the way back to Dressrosa
Well I can tell you multiple reasons why. 1 The void century (Saul took all of the books from ohara and it was revealed to Vega punk when to elbaph to learn more about Joyboy” 2 to fully flesh out Hajrudin as a character (Mostly all of the giants) 3 to give more context to the sun god and joy boy (From what they implied Joyboy wasn’t from Elbaph but nika was. And there’s way more
@@CasheRare you didn’t catch what I was trying to explain; of course in the Grand Narrative Elbaph can bring so much to the story. But,from the point of view of the Straw Hats, they didn’t choose to go to Elbaph to accomplish a specific goal. They went there because Dorry and Brogy invited them and they wanted to visit. Ever since Law left the alliance, we are pretty much going with the flow. Only Robin has a goal : go see Saul, which she learned was still alive two weeks ago I believe.
This situation with Elbaf not being planned reminds me of the late Akira Toriyama and him not planning for there to be a Cell Saga or even Androids 16, 17, & 18! If you read the English localisation of the chapter from the Trunks Saga where Future Trunks reveals the identity of the Android that will appear in three years, as 19 & 20! This is not a mistake by the localisation team but a lingering plot hole from the original Japanese manga! Originally, Toriyama had planned on 19 & and 20, being the Androids that Future Trunks was warning everyone about instead of 17 & 18! However, his editor was critical of their designs, and thus, Toriyama created 17 & and 18, adding 16 for some added mystery and eventually creating Cell cause his editor was still not happy! This means the Cell Saga and even Krillin's relationship with 18 wasn't originally planned by Toriyama!
I prefer the silhouettes not matching the actual character design. Imagine someone describing Ed Sheeran to you but in your mind you're picturing Gordon Ramsay.
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@@ronly_driver Ooh I do like that one, it's got that sweet raw vibe. Ever listened to the parody "Looks like meat is back on the menu, boys" by Sauron & The Sous-Chef Orc-Estra? It reminded me of that.
Elbaph definitely needed to happen. Especially since oda said he was inspired by his favorite anime Vicky the Viking which led to op and also ussop character is really tied to it
"B-but Oda-sama planned every detail of One Piece for 25 years!!!!!!!! Down to the very chapter numbers that he chooses to reveal vital information in!!!!!!!!!"
@xandex69 It's more like he planned it but he was feeling like it's going to take too long and then either skip it or offscreen it..he did the same with the rocky port incident..oda was shown with a whole notebook about rocks and a whole notebook about the revolution army..so he has the ideas and the plan but not the time
Well that guy and that guy could be so many things. Luffy against the Gorosei to free Vegapunk from his government slavery. Marines against BB to free luffy's wife. Garp versus BB crew and his old pupil to free his new pupil. There is a lot of that guy vs that guy in one piece recently and just before Elbaph.
I think "that guy vs that guy" was oda saying there was gonna be a lot of fights going on (black beard pirates vs garp and kobys group on hachinosu, and sabo vs imu and the elders on mariejois, black beard vs law on winners island, and shanks vs kidd on elbaf)
To play devil's advocate: - Oda is always wrong about how long it'll take to complete the series, so using that as a measurement of how much we have left is a bit iffy at best - Oda's quote isn't necessarily saying that "Elbaph wasn't planned at all". The way I interpret it, he could also be saying "Is there a way to skip the island but conjoin the plot elements elsewhere instead?", which feels like a way to cut corners while still having what was required for the story. Sort of like a back up plan to try and save time if he could. Ultimately, that idea was scrapped and he went through with Elbaph anyways, but there's some room to doubt that it wasn't at all planned.
You don't think THAT guy was covered in Egghead? There were so many faceoffs on and off of the island, and we saw established characters fighting based on recent events, and the matches were welcome surprises. That's how I've interpreted Oda's tease for the future you mentioned.
I noticed how Liam keeps saying the “that guy vs that guy” fight never happened, when I feel like law vs Black Beard, Kidd vs Shanks, and ESPECIALLY Garp Vs Kuzan could all qualify as that.
Ever since the "One Piece is 80% done" from Oda From there I was like. Yea, it's going to finish whenever the hell Oda finishes it. People believing the 5 year thing is just ridiculous.
5:28 : "There was no that guy and that guy fight" Me, looking at Black Beard Vs. Law, Garp Vs. Kuzan, and Kid Vs Shanks. "Oh yeah, for sure. There was absolutely no That Guy Vs. That Guy that year. Its not like we had multiple options to choose from for what he could have been talking about or anything" Edit: I just can't help but notice that after that you do say "When Oda Says that guy he is usually refering to people not part of the current arc fighting" and then showed a picutre of Black beard and Shanks, two "That guys" that we did indeed see fighting other well know people who weren't part of egghead that arc!
Oimo and Kashi arent exactly a plothole. What could have happened is they thought "yknow while we're over here in this half of the sea, lets go make sure the captains are ACTUALLY alive." (an excuse for wanting to see them after 100 years) and proceeded to check up on the captains. From there, any number of things couldve happened, and the plot hole is gone. They likely still fought, and they might have heard about what happened with loki and paused the duel went to go secure their homeland. From there, they met up with shanks and learned about luffy's whereabouts.
I'm pretty sure the free for all battle refers to the individual battles we just saw on the egghead arc, with law vs blackbeard, kuzan vs garp, shanks vs kid etc. I completely agree there is evidence that Elbaf wasn't planned for some time, but I think you failed to mention Oda's plan in early One Piece which I believe did include Elbaf, aswell as the deecision of including it probably taking place before Jump Festa 2024, because the "I don't think I can stop Luffy" seems like a pretty big "Elbaf yes" to me
He probably went back on it with how asked for elbaph is. Ever since dori and broggi appeared its been anticipated I feel like. We just hit a bunch of plot points in the way. I suspect it's has a rough draft of plot points on how to get to the final arc of the story rather than having it all thought out how its supposed to be.
this is the first arc im actually gonna fully experience in weekly fashion, i finished catching up with the anime and manga right around the time of the 5 elders appearing on egghead in the manga, so ive only experienced like 1/4 of egghead in weekly.
"There was never a free for all fight" Liam forgetting the God Valley flashback, which indeed was a free for all. Sure we didn't get an entire fistikuffs scene playing out but it did very much happen. "That guy and that guy" was most likely Rocks and Roger. And I think Oda made a big mistake in not taking the opportunity to make Elbaph an even more unique arc by breaking the structure pattern and actually have no antagonist at all. It could have been centred around vibing around, getting stronger and finding out more about stuff like the Nika mythos and other stuff this ancient civilization might offer. The fandom often expresses how disappointed they are with the lack of "crew just having fun", and this could have been Oda's last and only chance to make an entire arc with that vibe. Everyone on the island should already love the Straw Hats after all, both OG and New Giant Pirates, everyone worshipping Nika and so on. To actually have an antagonist is what feels off here. It could have been an arc made for the crew to actually learn new stuff, not just "next guy to punch".
I've been thinking for a while now that there's no way we are on the last arc with everything that still needs to happen and the plans being revised might suggest it won't be over anytime soon!
I love to know this, Elbaph was already making me feel that OP nostalgia. With the og crew, the adventurous feeling, etc. And now that I know it wasn't even planned, it triples that feeling. I loved Egghead, I've been loving everything new, but it has made me feel exhausted lore-wise. I feel like we needed a break from all the end of the road vibe, and to go back to the goofy pirate adventure we love. I have no doubt Oda will masterfully tie Elbaph together with everything else and once OP is done, people will go back to it and admire its foreshadowing and great writing, but I am all for an "improvised" arc full of adventure.
The big mom pirates needed katakuri, because he represents a darker and more serious take on a big mom pirate everybody else is more flamboyant or colorfull, they also get worked up very easily while katakuri is calm collected and serious about protecting everybody
I feel like a lot of this stuff could be revisited in movies and spin-off stories either written by oda himself or handed off by him to other mangakas he trusts. The man has been drawing nearly non stop for almost 30 years now. But there still feels like there’s so much one piece left to tell even once the mainline story ends.
I remember making a timeline prediction of all the arcs that would be in the final saga and Elbaf was on that list, but not Egghead Island. This is my new updated final saga list following that including the two arcs we have so far: - Egghead Island - Elbaf - Return of Rocks arc (NEW) - Lodestar Island - Raftel/Laugh Tale (throne wars) - World Government war (final war) - Epilogue I also previously predicted that One Piece could end as early as 2023 (boy was I wrong lol), but have now changed that to 2026 or 2027 to fit with the 30th anniversary of the manga
i know you’re gonna ignore this comment however the quality of your videos have improved seriously over the years, i remember watching back in 2021, you clearly put all your effort in these videos, well done success is deserved.
I feel like Oda originally planned for the Strawhats to have their adventure in Elbaf, especially with all the hints he left in Little Garden. It's just that series has gone on for so long that he considered skipping it at some point, but ultimately couldn’t because of all the fan expectations. lol
I love the fact that Oda said he couldn't stop Luffy from going to Elbaph. It shows how alive the story is in his head and the lenght he goes to make sure Luffy is telling his own story. I can't imagine a way a character would convince the straw hats NOT to go there, Oda write his characters in such a honest way even he can't control them
The best reasoning for Dorry and Broggy going back to Elbaf would be if they had actually finished their duel. Would be a pretty nice change to their dynamic, but it's pretty much set in stone that they'll just duel forever, I guess (not complaining).
I can buy that there was no plan for Elbaf at the time of Little Garden, since it didn’t seem very plot important and seemed to be more of a lore dump explanation for the giants and their culture, and their influence on the Strawhats. But I don’t think it’s really a RECENT decisisiom to go to Elbaf, since it seemed like it may have been on the cards for Water 7. I don’t remember the exact details, but I think Oimo and Kashii even offered to give Usopp a lift there (when he was still seperwted from the Strawhats) when they got a ship together, and he said that it was ok because he was going to make it there himself. Of course this may have been just a thing, or maybe a location for the epilogue or a cover story, but that’s when I thought that we would probably see Elbaf at some point in the story
The characters demanded he go, so he did. I'm willing to overlook that silhouette as a memory that might indicate Loki went through a Big Momification from childhood to adulthood, which suggests he'll plump up again when he reaches middle age. This will be immediately disproven when we get a childhood flashback of Loki in the final conflict of the arc. I can also overlook a tiny plothole. I mean, "after" covers a good length of time, and it's entirely possible that whenever they sailed by to "get a glimpse", they really didn't intend to interrupt anything, but caught sight of the two captains waving their broken weapons to catch their attention and then explain hey, we gotta go for silly reasons straight out of Dragon Ball but we'll be back!
i just finished watching the "We NEED To Talk About The Insane Loki Situation" video and im like, hm ok ill wait for this video, refresh youtube, this video is already here
Ive been thinking about this a lot. What if Loki calling luffy "Rody" was him sensing the devil fruit and its a play on words. Sun god. Son god. All these legendary fruits are passed down and the Son gods are all sons of the original fruit, that's why there can be multiples or they are slightly different but not much. its probably a farfetched theory but its def interesting to think about
I would have liked to see Oda's original itinerary. Elbaf really really doesn't feel necessary to anything at all. Like it's important for backstory purposes, but in the present tense of the story, it's just extra fluff to appease fans
Overall agree with the entire video except for the last point. Dory and Broggy could very well have sailed by the island and literally just caught a glimpse of their captains like they said. Could have saw them and continued to smile their way to Elbaph. Considering their size I'm sure the fight was visible from a boat.
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Elbaf wasn't meant to happen, but then Usopp said he would go there. 👃
The Almighty God USOPP
He lies
Because he never lies.
@@shaine9968Ussop never lies 😉
The nose knows. 😤
The guy that Lola had: loki's silhouette
The guy Lola will never have: actual loki design.
Nah Lola could get a man like that
@@mavstation A classic case of "If you can't stand me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best" in a nutshell.
I think after rejecting my man could literally hit the gym
He went on a gym arc and now he's planning to bring the end of the world
@@specter2712based 🗿
Oda is just a veteran DM. Yeah, he had different plans prepared behind his DM screen, but then the players decided to go on a random side quest. So, then he's like "okay I guess we are doing this for next three years now.".
maybe he himself is sometimes suprised about the directions One Pice is taking and the plot twists happening
Yeah, that's his biggest assets as a mangaka, the ability to go with the flow and make it look like he had It all planned out. Remember, this is serializes storytelling, and it must be able to last as long as there's interest in the story.
Oda never planned for him to join back with the straw hats, but go to elbaph with limo and kashi. This could just be expanded plans for elbahp. Usopp could die in this arc if u use this logic
@@t.kersten7695sounds like a poorly thought out story to me
@@skullkid7674there is literally bo logic to odas writing. There are only over used tropes and needless and spontaneous additions to a story.
The work achieved on drawings and illustrations for this channel is crazy. You don't keep any artist locked in your basement, right Liam?
Nah. She has a husband who keeps forgetting to bring home Ben and Jerry's ice cream (this was stated a few videos back, all the comments were about it lol)
He has a team of artists and editors doing all this work. He only records himself and gives notes on what he wants in the video
It's impossible to create videos with this amount of editing with this much quantity of videos released WITHOUT having a team or hired at least one editor for.
Generally a one man team on RUclips that uploads regularly, have low amounts of edits, not much production value involved or they're vlogging.
No just the writers get locked in the basement
You guys are all being ridiculous, Australia is at the bottom so they can’t have basements because if you dig a hole the dirt goes up. He has them locked in the attic.
I'll have to disagree. That guy and that guy fighting 100% happened. Oda was referring to huge battles that happened in Egghead. Law vs Blackbeard, Shanks vs Kid, Kuzan vs Garp etc. Same with the Lurking Legend. He was 100% referring to Imu. BTW. Even if Oda didn't plan to have an Elbaf arc, that doesn't mean he didn't have plan for giants and Loki. He might just put any plot points that concern them within the Elbaf arc now.
You mean LOKI vs SHANKS right nakama?? Loooki vs shanks????
You’re giving Oda’s planning too much credit. I’m not saying he’s not a master planner cause he’s definitely planned a lot of stuff way ahead. It there’s almost equally many things he’s had to improvise, sometimes almost at the spot. Some examples: The 11 Supernovas, The Seven Warlords, Vivi (I think 🤔). This isn’t a bad thing per say, I was reading a thread on Reddit discussing how much they think is planned and how much they think is improvised and the most answers that o agreed with are those that said thing along with him planning enough ahead and then leaving gaps to be able to go back and change stuff or fill in stuff he hasn’t decided on yet. Sorry for messy comment but basically I think he plans most but leaves maybe 10-20% up for improv in case he feels like he would like to either change stuff as he goes along or change stuff later on.
You right the battle Royale def happen with all the different fight in the egghead arc but just not all happening in one location like a typical battle royale
I am more inclined to believe that the quote referred to the God Valley incident, which was very much a free-for-all published in 2023.
Dude, those fights happened in 2023. Oda was talking about the manga in 2024
This stuff always makes me thing that Oda doesn't just plan every arc he will begin, but plans how to tie that arc directly with the final arc in case for whatever reason the Shonen Jump gives him a deadline so the story in any case will receive a proper end
I like to think when planning arcs he would ask himself "What would Luffy Do?" And knowing his own characters well he'd know Luffy wouldn't pass up Elbaph and so Oda is like "OK you heard the man, let's make and Elbaph arc"
@@ReiseLukas That's generally how great authors operate, they're discovering the story as they're writing it, being led along by the characters and the world.
Oda had the storyboard for onepiece mapped out before he started drawing it, he's added to it and changed it, but he's had everything he knew he NEEDED for his story already planned out, even with these changes he makes it fit because he knows the connecting threads he has to attach
@@IntimacyMN Yeah, totally. Given some recent leaks (which may or may not be totally accurate), it seems like we will be getting some Shanks lore at Elpath. I theorize that Oda is using the opportunity to spread out his lore dumps so that not everything is dropped onto readers' heads in the finale arcs.
My man, One Piece is Shueisha's trump card. There's no such thing as them giving Oda a deadline, unless they start hating money. If it were up to them, it would never end.
Sounds more like Elbaph was originally planned, Oda ended up taking longer than he expected and thought of writing around it but ultimately changed his mind and went with the original plan.
It was mentioned too often to not go there and every time one of the crew said they wanted to go to a specific place they have gone there baring Raftel and the All blue for obvious reasons, one being the end destination and the other not being confirmed to even exist.
This just makes me yearn for ALL of the things that ended up in Oda's rubbish bin. If he was fully prepared to ditch Elbaf as recently as last year, what else has he ditched without any fanfare at all? Given everything we *have* seen, it's hard to even imagine.
I think Nami and Zoro's backstory were pretty much left on the cutting room floor. Hers was supposed to be linked in a movie, it was confirmed. Everyone was anticipating Zoro's during Wano, and there are a few glimpses of a potential of one, but it never got realized. Makes me think that Oda just decided to scrap it. He did have a good reason for it (at least when explaining Nami's) as it didn't really serve any purpose for the larger story he was telling. I wonder what else he could've potentially left as well tho.
Sorry whenever Elbaf is mentioned Usopp says he wants to go there, it was impossible not to happen
Not really. By that logic they should never have stopped at any island whatsoever except Elbaph since Usopp gets the "can't go to the island disease" each and every time a new one is on the horizon.
@@tobiaswedin The crew went to every island they said they wanted to except the final island Raftel for obvious reasons.
@@tobiaswedin after rereading the manga, that disease is less relevant than I remembered. I think it's happened maybe once post time skip on punk hazard
I was always more impressed with Oda being adaptability than his planning of the story
I understand Big Mom on being pissed imagine having loki on your side😅
she defo wanted a kid or grand kid from that dude 💀
@@xandex69 But would Big Mom agree with Loki wanting to destroy the world? She can't have her so-called paradise if everyone is wiped out.
Kaido would have gotten along with Loki when it comes to destroying the world.
@@TheWarmachine375 Nah, her goal is to enslave everyone doubt she would follow him, but loki might just manipulate her ig.
@@xandex69 True, Big Mom can be gullible and misled by others in her track record.
We don’t even know anything about him yet lol
I’m illogically disappointed that the official spelling is Elbaph and not Elbaf 😅 but I’m so glad we are here
@@frozenandchosen Thriller Bark Thriller Park. He's always pulled the shenanigans. I feel it tho
What's strange is that "PH" is used in English words that are actually Greek words and it replaces the letter "Φ".
Elephant - Ελέφαντας
Philosophy - Φιλοσοφία
Alpha- Άλφα
@BillyKing21 okay okay so he's been on duloingo. Chill out demon child XP nah but that is really cool 😎
It's no longer a fable, so I can't decide if I like or hate it yet
@@captainkirkmusicbut it's bark because a bark is a boat?
I really respect the love being given to Dawn&Dusk.
I see the "free for all fight" message fulfilled in Egghead because we had often pairings like Kid vs. Shanks, Law vs. Blackbeard, Garp vs. Aokiji, Blackbeard vs. Boa vs. Koby and so on in this arc. And I personally think that Loki looks like his silhouette in his devil fruit form.
Those are simultanious matchups not a free-for-all, the God Valley incident however was very much that.
@@tobiaswedin The free for all message doesn't have to mean mass fights. It can simply relate to the fact that some (most?) battles in the Egghead arc are clearly not the ones you would have expected before.
@f.carasind4188 no, free-for-all is an actual fighting term meaning "everyone against everyone" - and with the marines, gods knights, Roger pirates and Rocks pirates in the frey it is 100% this Oda meant.
@@tobiaswedin also possible.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Loki's silhouette? I thought it was obvious it was another kaido/warlords situation when I saw it.
9:05 Big Mom is an exception. She looked EXACTLY like how I pictured her in the silhouette.
11:19... Imagine if Loki turns out to be the princess of this arc lol...
Oh god that'd be hilarious 😂 his devil fruit has smthing to do with it id bet!
That'd be sickkk
@@IvanKhamala to be clear I meant the role, not the gender, I should have specified because One piece could also do that too lol.
This means in the spirit of Vivi, Shirahoshi, etc Luffy rescues them to help their hijinx despite them being powerful.
Momo was the princess for the wano arc
@@violentvegan5544 and PH... Chopper was in his first Arc too.
10:57 basically after he got his heart broken by the girl (I can't remember her name) he got jacked to channel his emotions
I truly didn't think Elbaph would have its own antagonist to be honest. I always believe it would end up like Zou or something and simply act as a lore dump arc connecting us to the next island. So yeah, I might be in the minority, but I never expected Elbaph to become so seemingly pivotal...
Nice! You actually mentioned Dawn and Dusk insted of just stealing the ideas without any credit like every other big One Piece RUclips channel does. I truly think only you and Artur Library of Ohara are the only ones that doesnt constantly rip off Dawn and Dusk.
To be fair he pnly gives credit because he gor rather publicly csught out stealing other people’s work.
@@mrbubbles6468who was that and when?
Thank you for shouting out Dawn & Dusk its a channel that really needs more Love
I really love the idea that Oda is blaming Luffy for going to Elbaph, as much as Oda is the story teller, Luffy has basically broken the 4th wall and told Oda that Elbaph MUST happen😂
The mark of a true artist is improvisation
If Oda ends up referencing those male self improvement fantasies with Loki where he was fat then got rejected, it would be pretty funny
It wouldn’t even be a fantasy. It would just be the plot of Mob Psycho 100.
@mrbubbles6468 ? Didn't Mob get rejected after the self improvement?
@@ryanergo754 both before and after
That would honestly be kind of hilarious, he was a little dorky teenager when he proposes to chiffon, got rejected and bro in responce decided to hit the griddy and became the mountain we see today
Literaly the strongest giant ever aparently, and it would be very one piece if it was all because of a love rejection
Maybe Oda might do what he did previously which is find a way to mix what should've been multiple arcs into one
That's what I think too. The recent leaks for the upcoming chapter hint at more Shanks lore, so it wouldn't surprise me that Oda is using Elbath to spread out more of the vital backstory of the world before hitting into high gear for the big finale.
Oda: *underwent plenty of world building and lore expansion of One Piece world*
Mashima: "I'm just focusing everything on Fiore as if the world revolves around it literally."
Isn’t it like one of the smallest kingdoms as well 😂
Oda: i need to take 377373 breaks for no reason ,so finally one piece can end in 2030
@@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic just trying to survive the curse…
@@NorbertNahumEvreuklovicat least he’s living and we don’t have to start far back like one punch man
Honestly Rave Master (the comic Mashima-san made before Fairy Tail) does a decent amount of world building from what I recall.
I could see Elbaf not being planned contributing to some of the consistency errors in that one chapter. He might have still been working shopping character designs up to the last minute and didn't have enough time to go through everything and clean it up properly.
Loki may have been like the previously illustrated image of him but his DF changed him. Could be a good way to dive into what the DF's are and how they have personalities.
I would have flipped if Oda decided to skip it. To be fair at the moment, we have no specific reason to come to Elbaf which feel so weird after three consecutive arcs with a clear goal all the way back to Dressrosa
@colibri224 One piece be like that sometimes.
Well I can tell you multiple reasons why.
1 The void century (Saul took all of the books from ohara and it was revealed to Vega punk when to elbaph to learn more about Joyboy”
2 to fully flesh out Hajrudin as a character (Mostly all of the giants)
3 to give more context to the sun god and joy boy (From what they implied Joyboy wasn’t from Elbaph but nika was.
And there’s way more
@@CasheRare you didn’t catch what I was trying to explain; of course in the Grand Narrative Elbaph can bring so much to the story. But,from the point of view of the Straw Hats, they didn’t choose to go to Elbaph to accomplish a specific goal. They went there because Dorry and Brogy invited them and they wanted to visit.
Ever since Law left the alliance, we are pretty much going with the flow. Only Robin has a goal : go see Saul, which she learned was still alive two weeks ago I believe.
@ You just typed out the reason why they went to Elbaph.
Their reasons were simple
Darn straight giving Dawn & Dusk the rep they deserve!!
This situation with Elbaf not being planned reminds me of the late Akira Toriyama and him not planning for there to be a Cell Saga or even Androids 16, 17, & 18! If you read the English localisation of the chapter from the Trunks Saga where Future Trunks reveals the identity of the Android that will appear in three years, as 19 & 20! This is not a mistake by the localisation team but a lingering plot hole from the original Japanese manga! Originally, Toriyama had planned on 19 & and 20, being the Androids that Future Trunks was warning everyone about instead of 17 & 18! However, his editor was critical of their designs, and thus, Toriyama created 17 & and 18, adding 16 for some added mystery and eventually creating Cell cause his editor was still not happy! This means the Cell Saga and even Krillin's relationship with 18 wasn't originally planned by Toriyama!
I think in elbaf there going to be 3 very important people will come together and fuck around and find out that there are only 2 of them left
I think 2 arcs will still be compressed, those arcs which never would have been in the original story
I'm not gonna mind if this is gonna be another Wano and lasting multiple years. There's so much potential for such an arc like this one.
I prefer the silhouettes not matching the actual character design. Imagine someone describing Ed Sheeran to you but in your mind you're picturing Gordon Ramsay.
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That's one of the best analogies or metaphors or whatever that I've ever read haha nice one
@@casvandijck9338I prefer his single "Is This Supposed To Be a Fucking Wellington?!?"
It goes unnecessarily hard
@@ronly_driver Ooh I do like that one, it's got that sweet raw vibe. Ever listened to the parody "Looks like meat is back on the menu, boys" by Sauron & The Sous-Chef Orc-Estra? It reminded me of that.
Elbaph definitely needed to happen. Especially since oda said he was inspired by his favorite anime Vicky the Viking which led to op and also ussop character is really tied to it
You'd think since Usoupp was introduced that Elbaf was planned since damn near the beginning of the story.
"Usopp will get a power up in Elbaf!"
Same as Zoro getting his powerup in wano and Franky his powerup in Egghead.
"B-but Oda-sama planned every detail of One Piece for 25 years!!!!!!!! Down to the very chapter numbers that he chooses to reveal vital information in!!!!!!!!!"
I think he planned it till little garden
If you genuienly think oda didn't think about elbaf until this year then you need a brain transplant lmao.
@@emmanueladekunle3088fair my bet has always been to about the sky island because of gear five
@xandex69 It's more like he planned it but he was feeling like it's going to take too long and then either skip it or offscreen it..he did the same with the rocky port incident..oda was shown with a whole notebook about rocks and a whole notebook about the revolution army..so he has the ideas and the plan but not the time
@@Couldnt_think_of_anythingthey will never return to an island they have already been to should be obvious
2:48 nah 10years
Well that guy and that guy could be so many things.
Luffy against the Gorosei to free Vegapunk from his government slavery.
Marines against BB to free luffy's wife.
Garp versus BB crew and his old pupil to free his new pupil.
There is a lot of that guy vs that guy in one piece recently and just before Elbaph.
Could you imagine if dorry or broggy showed up with out the other and was just like “yeah I won the other guy is gone…”
My only thought on how Elbaf could have been skipped is only if Imu did something "lulusia-ish" to the island with, ofc course, good context
I think "that guy vs that guy" was oda saying there was gonna be a lot of fights going on (black beard pirates vs garp and kobys group on hachinosu, and sabo vs imu and the elders on mariejois, black beard vs law on winners island, and shanks vs kidd on elbaf)
I don't think "Oda never planned Elbaf"
I think "Oda forgot about Elbaf for a bit"
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To play devil's advocate:
- Oda is always wrong about how long it'll take to complete the series, so using that as a measurement of how much we have left is a bit iffy at best
- Oda's quote isn't necessarily saying that "Elbaph wasn't planned at all". The way I interpret it, he could also be saying "Is there a way to skip the island but conjoin the plot elements elsewhere instead?", which feels like a way to cut corners while still having what was required for the story. Sort of like a back up plan to try and save time if he could. Ultimately, that idea was scrapped and he went through with Elbaph anyways, but there's some room to doubt that it wasn't at all planned.
You don't think THAT guy was covered in Egghead? There were so many faceoffs on and off of the island, and we saw established characters fighting based on recent events, and the matches were welcome surprises. That's how I've interpreted Oda's tease for the future you mentioned.
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I mean, considering most of Oda-sensei's other improvisations have worked out famously, it's hard to believe Elbaf won't.
Never clicked the like button faster. I feel so justified in thinking y'all were tripping with how certain some of y'all were about us going to elbaf
I noticed how Liam keeps saying the “that guy vs that guy” fight never happened, when I feel like law vs Black Beard, Kidd vs Shanks, and ESPECIALLY Garp Vs Kuzan could all qualify as that.
Ever since the "One Piece is 80% done" from Oda
From there I was like.
Yea, it's going to finish whenever the hell Oda finishes it. People believing the 5 year thing is just ridiculous.
Maybe "that guy" and "that guy" might still fight but it's obviously going to be offscreen
5:28 : "There was no that guy and that guy fight"
Me, looking at Black Beard Vs. Law, Garp Vs. Kuzan, and Kid Vs Shanks. "Oh yeah, for sure. There was absolutely no That Guy Vs. That Guy that year. Its not like we had multiple options to choose from for what he could have been talking about or anything"
Edit: I just can't help but notice that after that you do say "When Oda Says that guy he is usually refering to people not part of the current arc fighting" and then showed a picutre of Black beard and Shanks, two "That guys" that we did indeed see fighting other well know people who weren't part of egghead that arc!
Oimo and Kashi arent exactly a plothole. What could have happened is they thought "yknow while we're over here in this half of the sea, lets go make sure the captains are ACTUALLY alive." (an excuse for wanting to see them after 100 years) and proceeded to check up on the captains. From there, any number of things couldve happened, and the plot hole is gone. They likely still fought, and they might have heard about what happened with loki and paused the duel went to go secure their homeland. From there, they met up with shanks and learned about luffy's whereabouts.
I'm pretty sure the free for all battle refers to the individual battles we just saw on the egghead arc, with law vs blackbeard, kuzan vs garp, shanks vs kid etc. I completely agree there is evidence that Elbaf wasn't planned for some time, but I think you failed to mention Oda's plan in early One Piece which I believe did include Elbaf, aswell as the deecision of including it probably taking place before Jump Festa 2024, because the "I don't think I can stop Luffy" seems like a pretty big "Elbaf yes" to me
He probably went back on it with how asked for elbaph is. Ever since dori and broggi appeared its been anticipated I feel like. We just hit a bunch of plot points in the way. I suspect it's has a rough draft of plot points on how to get to the final arc of the story rather than having it all thought out how its supposed to be.
this is the first arc im actually gonna fully experience in weekly fashion, i finished catching up with the anime and manga right around the time of the 5 elders appearing on egghead in the manga, so ive only experienced like 1/4 of egghead in weekly.
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im ngl if we had gotten a long ring long land arc and thriller bark but no elbaph i would have been pissed
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Why would he hint at it for 20 years without planning on going there???
"There was never a free for all fight"
Liam forgetting the God Valley flashback, which indeed was a free for all. Sure we didn't get an entire fistikuffs scene playing out but it did very much happen. "That guy and that guy" was most likely Rocks and Roger.
And I think Oda made a big mistake in not taking the opportunity to make Elbaph an even more unique arc by breaking the structure pattern and actually have no antagonist at all. It could have been centred around vibing around, getting stronger and finding out more about stuff like the Nika mythos and other stuff this ancient civilization might offer. The fandom often expresses how disappointed they are with the lack of "crew just having fun", and this could have been Oda's last and only chance to make an entire arc with that vibe. Everyone on the island should already love the Straw Hats after all, both OG and New Giant Pirates, everyone worshipping Nika and so on. To actually have an antagonist is what feels off here. It could have been an arc made for the crew to actually learn new stuff, not just "next guy to punch".
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I've been thinking for a while now that there's no way we are on the last arc with everything that still needs to happen and the plans being revised might suggest it won't be over anytime soon!
"On second thought, let's not go to Elbaph. 'Tis a silly place."
I love to know this, Elbaph was already making me feel that OP nostalgia. With the og crew, the adventurous feeling, etc. And now that I know it wasn't even planned, it triples that feeling. I loved Egghead, I've been loving everything new, but it has made me feel exhausted lore-wise. I feel like we needed a break from all the end of the road vibe, and to go back to the goofy pirate adventure we love.
I have no doubt Oda will masterfully tie Elbaph together with everything else and once OP is done, people will go back to it and admire its foreshadowing and great writing, but I am all for an "improvised" arc full of adventure.
The big mom pirates needed katakuri, because he represents a darker and more serious take on a big mom pirate everybody else is more flamboyant or colorfull, they also get worked up very easily while katakuri is calm collected and serious about protecting everybody
Speaking of dude in a room…. Any more videos coming down that pipeline? I love the interesting and sometimes wacky discussions with other creators
Oh my, a man on the internet uploaded a video. Must watch.
I feel like a lot of this stuff could be revisited in movies and spin-off stories either written by oda himself or handed off by him to other mangakas he trusts.
The man has been drawing nearly non stop for almost 30 years now. But there still feels like there’s so much one piece left to tell even once the mainline story ends.
I remember making a timeline prediction of all the arcs that would be in the final saga and Elbaf was on that list, but not Egghead Island. This is my new updated final saga list following that including the two arcs we have so far:
- Egghead Island
- Elbaf
- Return of Rocks arc (NEW)
- Lodestar Island
- Raftel/Laugh Tale (throne wars)
- World Government war (final war)
- Epilogue
I also previously predicted that One Piece could end as early as 2023 (boy was I wrong lol), but have now changed that to 2026 or 2027 to fit with the 30th anniversary of the manga
honestly, I never thought we would go to Elbaf. It sounded more like a legendary far far away place, one that would stay far far away.
6:08 but guy on the internet was this right before shanks and kid also Blackbeard and Law there have been some him vs hims
Finally you got the timing right
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Thank you so much for the kind words :D I really appreciate it and I hope you're enjoying these videos more than back in 2021!
I remember reading oda said he didn’t want to go to elbaph but said he could stop them from seeing him, then we saw dorry and brogy arrived at egghead
11:58 catch a glimpse doesn't necessarily mean talk to them or bring them back, what if they went just to watch them fight
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I feel like Oda originally planned for the Strawhats to have their adventure in Elbaf, especially with all the hints he left in Little Garden. It's just that series has gone on for so long that he considered skipping it at some point, but ultimately couldn’t because of all the fan expectations. lol
good video!
I love the fact that Oda said he couldn't stop Luffy from going to Elbaph. It shows how alive the story is in his head and the lenght he goes to make sure Luffy is telling his own story.
I can't imagine a way a character would convince the straw hats NOT to go there, Oda write his characters in such a honest way even he can't control them
Dawn and Dusk is great
The best reasoning for Dorry and Broggy going back to Elbaf would be if they had actually finished their duel. Would be a pretty nice change to their dynamic, but it's pretty much set in stone that they'll just duel forever, I guess (not complaining).
I can buy that there was no plan for Elbaf at the time of Little Garden, since it didn’t seem very plot important and seemed to be more of a lore dump explanation for the giants and their culture, and their influence on the Strawhats. But I don’t think it’s really a RECENT decisisiom to go to Elbaf, since it seemed like it may have been on the cards for Water 7.
I don’t remember the exact details, but I think Oimo and Kashii even offered to give Usopp a lift there (when he was still seperwted from the Strawhats) when they got a ship together, and he said that it was ok because he was going to make it there himself. Of course this may have been just a thing, or maybe a location for the epilogue or a cover story, but that’s when I thought that we would probably see Elbaf at some point in the story
My bad, it’s kind of addressed
The characters demanded he go, so he did.
I'm willing to overlook that silhouette as a memory that might indicate Loki went through a Big Momification from childhood to adulthood, which suggests he'll plump up again when he reaches middle age. This will be immediately disproven when we get a childhood flashback of Loki in the final conflict of the arc.
I can also overlook a tiny plothole. I mean, "after" covers a good length of time, and it's entirely possible that whenever they sailed by to "get a glimpse", they really didn't intend to interrupt anything, but caught sight of the two captains waving their broken weapons to catch their attention and then explain hey, we gotta go for silly reasons straight out of Dragon Ball but we'll be back!
i just finished watching the "We NEED To Talk About The Insane Loki Situation" video and im like, hm ok ill wait for this video, refresh youtube, this video is already here
Are you making a vid about the new sbs and odas 10 questions??
Nah, Loki took that rejection to heart and had a glow up
Ive been thinking about this a lot. What if Loki calling luffy "Rody" was him sensing the devil fruit and its a play on words. Sun god. Son god. All these legendary fruits are passed down and the Son gods are all sons of the original fruit, that's why there can be multiples or they are slightly different but not much. its probably a farfetched theory but its def interesting to think about
I would have liked to see Oda's original itinerary. Elbaf really really doesn't feel necessary to anything at all. Like it's important for backstory purposes, but in the present tense of the story, it's just extra fluff to appease fans
The idea that if it wasn’t planned it’s somehow less is strikingly odd.
Im so glad that we have as much of One piece as we can, cause when it ends we will be very sad
Overall agree with the entire video except for the last point. Dory and Broggy could very well have sailed by the island and literally just caught a glimpse of their captains like they said. Could have saw them and continued to smile their way to Elbaph. Considering their size I'm sure the fight was visible from a boat.
Loki feels like an unplanned child that everyone was so dearly wishing for ... except his author
Oda: i think Ill skip Elbaph.
Sniper King: And rob the world of the chapter title pun "Usops's Elbaphs"? I forbid it!
That "guy fighting that other guy" could very well be Garp fighting Aokiji
That guy and that guy can be consider as Garp and Kuzan. As before Kobi got captured , no one would had thought about these two fighting that hard.
8:53 What if Loki did look like the original design, but after Lola's rejection, he became his current design.
I hope we get a flashback of Loki and that he looked silly like his silhouette when he was a teen and puberty just gave him a massive glow up.
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