As a Sunderland fan always loved visiting Annfield, great old style ground. It would be brilliant with an expanded Kop end. Im sure they'd easily fill it also. The worst thing about our ground is how far away we are from the pitch. Our old ground we were right next to the pitch. This is one of the things I love about Anfield. I'm positive the Kop could be made bigger hopefully they get it done.
The answer to expanding capacity on the Kop is simple. In Germany, the safe standing areas allow 1.8 standing places per every seat. If legislation was passed allowing this, the Kop capacity could be increased from 12850 to 23130 without any major structural changes, increasing Anfield to around 72000 capacity and restoring the Kop to standing AND the highest capacity stand. A similar conversion of the lower tier of the Anfield Road end would also add another 5000 to the capacity, lifting Anfield to close to 80000 without any more major structural changes.
In this order next: KOP - I would demolish the back third of the kop and add a steeper rake tier from there(still single tier) to match up with height of Annie road. Meaning only 4000 seats would be lost during in construction. So you would end up with 8000 existing at shallow rake then a new 9000 continuing tier resulting in 17000. 65/66000 overall KD STAND - I think demolishing three rows of houses maybe a bit much. I think just demolishing one row (or two at a push ) it may be plausible able to add 5/6000 seats rather than copying main stand, giving a stand of 16/17000 with a height a bit less than Annie road due to same capacity but greater overall length. This would result in overall capacity of 70-72000 which I think is fine. It would be a truly unique 4 sided stadium but still feel intimate. The main stand would be still be the biggest, the kop would still be on par with the biggest in the country and overall there would be little disruption to the local area as possible. The only down side would be the continued shitty legroom in the kop, though hopefully it would be safe standing.
@@ivorscrotumic3556 they are offered above value for there homes if they choose not to take the offer then the project maybe a non starter, the council may deem the project more beneficial to the area and insist on compulsory purchases. As I say this maybe a lot to ask for three rows for one row maybe feasible. Do you think all the houses were empty that were demolished for the main stand?
The main problem with any expansion of the Kop is Walton Breck Road. The road will either have to be re-routed or bridged by the expanded stand, neither option being easy or cheap.
The closeness of the spectators to the edge of the pitch is really what generates a lot of the magic at Anfield. I hope they never mess with this. As to the capacity of the ground eventually the Dalglish and Kop will get upgraded and Anfield could have a capacity of over 75K........can you imagine how completely and utterly beautiful this will be!!! ......but don't mess with the closeness of the supporters to the edge ever, ever.
It can be done in this order. 1. Rebuild pub, church and 2 trading shops on vacant land first over the road. The houses at the moment on the corner are all boarded up except 1. 2. Demolish properties and build a new road running parallel with the existing one, improve the junction by the petrol station to make it safer ie traffic lights. The road would only need to be closed when it met up with existing one. 3. Once the road is complete, construction work could begin on the new kop in a similar way to what's happening now to the Anfield Rd. Either build a new tier of extend the kop back leaving the existing stand untouched and no need to close it during the season.
Hi mate it my dream to see the kop a as bigger as possible I hope to god it dose happen u have speak a lot off sense thank you so sharing again 🙏👍🙏👍🙏Alan
If I had a choice between the Kenny and the kop for a stage 3 I'd go for the Kenny all day more capacity and the stadium won't look odd, having said that I don't live on them back houses. Kop you could go standing in certain parts like park head, nice work again pal and bringing up discussions 👍
LFC need to expanded to around 70k capacity, to be able to compete commercially with the major Euro clubs, generating bigger crowds (more accessibility to tickets for spontaneous attendance), growing the fanbase further ...
It would never get to 70k… I don’t know how people will get to the ground when the extended Anfield road stand opens up.. an extra 6,000 people.. plus staff..that’s a lot to cope with.
WRONG. LFC is in the city of Liverpool. People actually live in Liverpool & some of them live near to Anfield. There are shops there & all the local amenities that people need. LFC does NOT run the city & the city does NOT revolve around LFC. The club can't just expand the stadium any time it wants. There's a limit. The Kop will not be expanded. End of story, no matter what this bloke says.
@@mightyred1967 It could lol. Before the anticipated main stand and Anfield Road upgrade, which is expected to increase Anfield's capacity to 61k seats, it only had a capacity of 45k. If the Kop and Dalglish stands were also upgraded, it could potentially reach a seating capacity of 70k.
Interesting to see all the old reasons for not doing something re-surfacing. Fact is, if there's a good enough reason to do it, it can be done. And no, it doesn't need a railway or a tunnel. Lowering the pitch won't help (unless you don't mind not seeing all of the goals or making a small pitch smaller). Height or tiers don't add capacity (the overlaps are minimal but a higher stand is more intimidating). Width and distance from the pitch do (up to a safety limit). The money doesn't make strict sense or even any sense but what's the 'value' of a RED WALL of let's say, double the capacity (with standing)?
If you knock it down that’s 30,000 seats lost over 2 years. Say you get an extra 5,000 seats out of it. It would take 6 years just to claw back your lost revenue before you even start paying off the cost of the construction. Makes zero sense.
They could easy push out extra seats into the corner with the main stand. They have room the side of the KOP/Main. Easily enough for 1k with current footprints.
The Kop is the hardest one to do because you’d almost have to rebuild the entire thing to get it right. So it would be down for a season or two and who’s going to accept that if they hold season tickets on the kop. Kenny’s stand could be done similar to the main stand provided they can also buy out the property on that side. That would be the next step I’d imagine.
Just give them concessions to be in the new stand etc, they would accept it if they were to see, to know what it would achieve for the club, to put the Kop back to what it was, the biggest and best. At the moment it is the noisiest, the best, but it is the smallest, that cannot be for long, surely. sacrifices have to be made.
Looking at the design for the new main stand and anfield road end, it looks like they could remove the roof and seating of the Kop and build a similar roof to the other new stands with extra seats on top of the existing structure of the Kop. Could probably add 5 to 7000 seats to the Kop for £20-30m that way, taking the capacity over 65,000.
I believe the skd stand should be done next to replicate the main stand and make the ground in unionson,,then it will be 80,000,,without kop being done ,for time being
@@samsingh3753 sounds great but gonna need to buy a whole row of houses demolish them and build it similar to the main stand and that took a loooong time
Liverpool have made a bit of a mess of this. We are now hemmed in for the forsake future. The main stand could and should of been built 10/20m further back, giving the club the chance to move the pitch and renovate all the other stands.
When Arsenal built the Emirates stadium, an entire area was transformed and many business, houses, roads etc was relocated. Im certain Liverpool can do this for the Kop!
The main business at the emirates was a recycling plant. They paid a lot of money to relocate and build a new plant. There is a great video on you tube the building of the emirates I think it`s called well worth a watch to people interested in football stadiums.
Just because you make it steeper doesn't mean you make it larger in capacity. You need to build BACKWARDS to increase capacity, whether it be a steeper stand or a second tier.
If you keep exactly the same footprint and go steeper and higher you will automatically increase the capacity. You don't need to build BACKWARDS to do that.
@@garyfairhead3186 I disagree. If you do that, you will need to build HIGHER as you are maintaining the gradient. Therefore, backwards is the only way.
May I suggest that first remove the roof of the kop end to then expand the rear part and steepen the angle and hang over the road a bit at one end then go a bit further with the other end where the road is further away and then use the same method of Everton’s Goodson road stand where the upper tier is like a balcony high enough over the main tier and with a steeper angle then reinstate the roof and keep the stand with squared off ends in likeness to the other three stands good job done hey
Obstacles are…needing a rail network of some sort installed in the Anfield area because once a venue or stadium reaches a certain capacity I think 65k there needs to be that because of congestion which I can believe because Anfield is a nightmare on a match day as it is on the road, Walton Breck Road is an A road of course and that will need to be rediverted or whatever other countermeasure, the businesses and church will need to be bought out and relocated but even moving either stand further back there needs to be a certain distance free due to laws of sunlight which is why the main stand cleared about 4 rows of houses or something, if FSG want to do it they can the only thing is it’s going to be a huge amount of investment it’s a 10 year plan imo if they are gonna do it
To Expand the Kop they'd have to tear the whole stand down. This would mean lost revenue. The reason all of the other stands for expanded is because they were able to keep the existing stands open whilst doing them.
@@derekfallon1527 But it was done. Then for safety, now for capacity. I doubt we'll see it any time soon, but one day they'll want the extra capacity and it'll be the only option left. It'd be interesting to see what the average lifespan of a football stand is.
@@FloatingOnAZephyr Now for capacity? Nothing's been done now to The Kop. Sure they might WANT to do it in future. Back in 1994 they NEEDED to do it. With the footprint around it I don't it's possible. The Anfield Road end isn't even finished!
@@derekfallon1527 Clearly I didn't mean right now. The video is literally about how it could be done. Nobody is suggesting it is imminent. If the club thinks it could get another 5K people in the ground or whatever, that's a huge incentive. Clearly you start with the easier projects first, which they've done.
I agree I didn’t realise how wide and how far back it goes - we would have to knock the stand down though and start from scratch would be a shame but needed
did the allianz arena tour a few years back and the stands are quite steep and the gradient gets steeper the higher it goes so that the noise is diverted into the roof which then redirects it back towards the pitch. ideally you'd get same height as the main stand. effectively that is what the allianz is inside - 4 steep sided stands - rather than an emirates or wembley style despite the bubble outer makes it look like. Aldo wasnt the main stand design take inspiration from the Dortmund stadium
You don't want it too steep. In the Bernabeu the upper 2 stands are a nightmare for the spectators....watching the game between your feet. If you want a bigger stand you have to expand outwards....
I agree with expanding the Kop, but even if LFC actually want to do so, crowd mobilization and transportation are actually the bottleneck. Without additional access to public transport, further capacity increase is would not make any sense nor feasible..
Would also improve the acoustics and overall noise and atmosphere. Roof heights should be at the same height joined and stretched as far as possible to keep the noise in.
Bit by bit they will already have the plans in place and they will have to work hard to get the extra space to extend the kop money talks and am sure people would be willing to sell for the right price to benifit the ground but time will tell they surely wouldn't of decided to stay at anfield and redevelop it without plans for the most difficult stand which is the kop let's just see what happens it could be a couple more years before the next phase is talked about
I believe the SKD stand should be the final stand redeveloped.& just think of the following,if the other 3 sides are rebuilt in the same build of Annie rd & the main stand the centenary stand certainly would not look so out of place like the KOP as it is now looks
Footballs greatest terrace as we all know is our very own spion kop,I couldn't agree more that it shouldn't be dwarfed by the other stands ...what you suggest is perfectly feasible and really it should be a matter of course that the kops enlarged
Lift the stand with hydraulic ramps system lift the whole thing up from the ground and add extra steels if we can move whole buildings and move them to another site then it will be possible to lift the kop
I am against a Kop expansion. Because... Firstly, It starts and generates the noise from within which, because of it's shape, pushes the intimitating sound directly out into the ground at opposing team's ear level.. And Secondly, The Kop is an Iconic stand, and those who mostly pack it out, are the genuine hardcore LFC fans, mostly, that call it their home or even their church. They deserve to have their"home", where the most of 'em know each other and can be amongst themselves. I must say here that I am an expat and only get to 'pool about 2 to 3 times a season. I was however once lucky enough to get a Ticket for a very good seat on the Kop, and cherished every moment of the game (even though it was a draw v Brighton, when we desparatly needed a win. No, keep it as it is, this World renown stand, that still roughly, resembles the Spion Kop (despite the roof) and the original Anfield Kop. Good video KC, very interesting content and I like the way you get us involved in Anfield Stadium daily affairs. The more thoughts and ideas out there, the easier it should be to do the right thing for the common good. thanx and greets from Switzerland.
If they are ever able to expand to the Kop it has to be by another 10k seats minimum (taking us to 22k seats) there’s no point of expanding it by a couple thousand like the anfield road stand (7k extra seats isn’t enough tbh)
Correct me if Iam wrong but I thought there was historical significance about the gradiant of the kop stand, its the same gradiant as the hill from the Boar War "Spion Kop" that the Lancashire Regiment lost so many men capturing, which is way it was named after it
FSG have deliberately done the easiest upgrades first, and I cant say i blame them. The option to build behind then join the two together is no longer available on the Kop. The current capacity is 12,600 approx (give or take a few hundred) . Basing on the fact Spurs new stand is about 17,000 behind the goal so assuming thats the realistic limit (Im assuming thats the largest single tier behind a goal in the UK) so Im assuming (could be wrong) thats as big as is feasable. Ive seen other far mor knowledgeable individuals on rawk mention there are rules regarding maximum distance from the far end of the pitch, maximum angle of elevation which limit ultimate size in The UK. So thats approximately only 4,400 more, which isn’t a huge increase. Factor in the cost of moving two pubs a church WBR and probably several other residences to make way for the new WBR plus its a total rebuild, so losing it for two years. Thats an eye watering cost assuming permissions can be gained. I could of course be talking utter bollocks here, but FSG would require a huge amount of willpower to overcome all that
This is why the Kop will never change for 50 years, considering the ARS extension is costing £80M how much to flatten the Kop, rebuild from scratch, all the infrastructure cost's plus the 2 years of lost revenue, today's prices maybe £200M for another 5000+ fans. Clearly never happen
@@lancemoutray2832 its a controversial decision for sure but I understand your point. Gillette and Hicks did and got as far artists renderings, but FSG dismissed the idea pretty quickly by committing to the Main stand. We are were we are
i wish in short future they can expand the stadium all 4 stands or at least 3 stands if all 4 cant be completed... not only overall is gonna look 100% better but also club like Liverpool needs at least 70k stadium its sooo many people waiting on season tickets...
Liverpool, at least, deserves a 65k seats stadium. Adding 3500 seats more on the kop and replicate the annie road stand in this, and another 1000 on SKD stand (buying the row of houses at the back of the stand) could reach it.
I’d say the Kop unfortunately will be the last to be expanded. SKD will probably be next. So if the KOP has to be bulldozed they other 3 expanded stands would bridge the loss of revenue from the KOP being empty. My opinion is they’re looking at or waiting to see if the degrees in what a stand can be set to increases meaning they can have a steeper stand with more bums on seats plus could have rail seats so even more bums on seats, plus how much more seats could be fitted to the other 3 stands probably another 5-10k. Push Mersey rail to build a station at back of Stanley Park cemetery where the rail line is, so fans can leave via a train station back to the city as well as buses, taxis & walking. Keep the videos coming & discussions
U mean safe- standing not rail seats? This will be very difficult, not bc u couldnt fit more ‘ bums in expanded stands but bc more people means more pressure in the concourses and safety issues. The atmosphere would be better with safe- standing but i don’t think LFC would allow more people bc of the possibility of crushes in the concourses. Could be wrong on that . Depends on how many people the concourses can take at one time.
The Kop Memories Started going there in 1963 Right behind the goal On the first set of barriers Not on the wall A big hole would developed at various times in the game Usually at corners Then we'd all lean forward and would go running down the steps How no one got killed was beyond me End of game step rank with urine Once you were in you were in I never drank anything before a game Memories Do hot and humid one time the hear from the spectators rise to the roof then condensed and came down like spit On the telly the commentators thought it was smoke Favourite goal Geoff Strong Injured Playing up front Scores winning goal against Celtic Header I came in from Old haymarket on the bus I worked on Fleet Street Bootle(Netherton born and bred) A load of Celtic supporters got on the bus Scariest day of my life Live in Surrey BC now Best move ever 74 and counting
hi kc i agree the steepness of the kop roof can be altered to accommodate an expansion of seats but to do that then they would surely have to remove the existing roof first, however i do believe FSG will employ some architects to look into it and draw up some plans in different ways and angles it could be achieved,
The frustrating thing is the Blue Shite are going to have a bigger Kop end!!!! Spurs already have a bigger Single tier...... it cant be impossible to build something bigger qith more capacity
The way Arsenal developed the North Bank, with a large upper tier, could be an option. That was the biggest stand at Highbury when it closed and had the best facilities.
Was a Kop season ticket holder in the old standing Kop growing up. And was there for the last stand. Also you'd have to shut the Kop down for two seasons to do the work..... No Kop for 2 seasons. I had an idea a while ago..... In that we could've built a huge Kop at the Annie Road End... A Single tier.... Designed to keep the sound in. And then we could've added another tier to the existing Kop. All the Stands are now relatively new and it would still be Anfield..... But can't do that now
It's bonkers reading all these comments about how LFC MUST expand the ground even further. here's something that many of you may not know. Liverpool Football Club is a football club within a city. A city where people actually live. The area around Anfield is heavily populated & the ground's now about as big as it will get for the foreseeable future. I was stood on the Kop before many of you here were born & I'm a lifelong red, but be realistic ffs. Liverpool is a city more than it's a football club. Expand this, rebuild that etc etc. People live here folks. Remember that.
It’d be twenty years time when the next stand is redeveloped if we’re lucky, that’s the compromise of staying at Anfield. I’d hate to leave the place but if we want a big capacity that’s what we’d have to do. In this respect everton have stolen a March on us even though it’s only going to be 52k typical Liverpool eh same old same old.
Personally, I wouldnt want the Kop to change its shape angle steapness etc. Keep everything the same, just make it bigger because its that level of steapness that shape etc. is what makes the atmosphere so special. Because its not that steap and goes really far back the noise that comes out of the Kop on matchdays is unlike any other.
Money talks mate - They used to say they would NEVER move the old school at back of parkhead but they DID and built there so sure they will one day.. Check out Bondibot sure saw it fully developed Anfield on there.. Looked Amazing.
It will be interesting to see what happens with The Kop & The KDS in the near future. They will certainly need to be expanded & updated to sit along side the other 2 amazing new stands. Anfield really should be in the 80K plus capacity stadium. Public transport infrastructure could be a bit of a headache with regards to this. However, I'm sure the people in charge of the purse strings will be thinking big & have a plan in their thoughts for future expansion of the stadium. Really enjoy watching your videos & also your commentary. Thanks for posting.
Did I read somewhere that any further expansion after the anfeild Road expansion is complete, would require some form of rail network or link directly to the stadium? Or is that a load of tripe?
I think the road could be re-routed, there’s plenty of dead land behind the church and other buildings there. It’s not an impossible task. I hope they expand the kop one day
the club elders must already know the potential of the future stadium, hence, they decided not to build a new stadium, they could make it like the rose bowl and simply elevate everything so it's steeper, raise the roof, as we say, lol, compared to the old days, the kop must be a great experience, I remember being thrown around and squashed like a tomato during a hellish game against the mighty Forest side of Cloughy, the most chaotic night I saw in the kop, and to think, in the future there will be thousands of arabic fans with red on their heads cheering us on, throwing some money into the club, sounds promising.
The stand will need to be demolished and the kop capacity could reach 16k. I can’t see FSG Investing on kop stand if it’s only going to increase the capacity by 3 or 4 thousand (within the current ground boundary).
How many roads do these wanna reroute to get there way... Not to mention how many lives they ruined when they built there loft conversion n run people from there homes which held sentimental memories...LFC the biggest scorn of L5
Hi Kev, sorry, I know it's an old post, so you might not pick this comment up. But I've been thinking. Now we can see the true scale of the Anfield Road end is their an opportunity to revisit what the potential of a Kop expansion would look like? For example, you did two great videos on how many streets the Main stand took up when expanding and the potential number of streets it would take for the King Kenny stand using past & present Google Maps. Is there something similar you could replicate here to show just how far back an extended Kop would need to go? Just judging by how the roof connects on the Main stand to the new Anfield Road I suspect the Kop would need to sit a bit further back than it is now. And what's your opinion on the historic design of the Kop reaching back into the shadows versus the potential new design you highlighted here i.e. going high/steep, similar to Spurs & Dortmund. Do we lose any mystic? Ps great videos from you and Mister Drone. Had me hooked on these for the past 18 odd months! Thanks again.
The thing about height is ya can't block a certain amount of sunlight. Looking from here we can see the Shadows don't go towards the road. So there shouldn't be a problem. But who knows what would happen, people are bound to complain
In response after watching the video,the 1st thing that stands out us yes the club has definitely got to work with what they've got & a steeper single tiered stand the same height as the new annie rd or as close as would surly be the best approach & yes bring the seats closer or as close as to pitchside
Won't work. The Anfield Road stand is going to be twice as deep as it was. You can't put any more rows of seats in the same depth of stand. It makes no difference how steep it is. People still need legroom.
You are mentioning width when you mean depth. The Spion Kop is a deep grandstand but the same width as the Anfield Road end. The incline could be altered but the cost v extra seating (or safe standing) would be difficult to justify economically.
Not to mention the logistical issue of closing the whole Kop for virtually two years. Since the Kop is virtually full of season ticket holders those people would need to be moved temporarily into other stands or have their season tickets paused. It just won’t happen. Only room for expansion after the Kemlyn Road is in the corners of the ground, which again is much easier said than done
You can re-route the church, pub and the road, whether the club would be allowed to us another matter and like with everything else in the world it boils down to money. If the club pay for a new church, new pub and shops then it can be done and if enough Palma are greased at LCC then it can be done. It’s over fifty years since three men got in a rocket blasted off into space, landed on the moon, gathered a few rocks, got back in the rocket and came back to earth. If they can do that they can expand The Kop.
As a Sunderland fan always loved visiting Annfield, great old style ground. It would be brilliant with an expanded Kop end. Im sure they'd easily fill it also. The worst thing about our ground is how far away we are from the pitch. Our old ground we were right next to the pitch. This is one of the things I love about Anfield. I'm positive the Kop could be made bigger hopefully they get it done.
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Build a tunnel for the cars.
The answer to expanding capacity on the Kop is simple. In Germany, the safe standing areas allow 1.8 standing places per every seat. If legislation was passed allowing this, the Kop capacity could be increased from 12850 to 23130 without any major structural changes, increasing Anfield to around 72000 capacity and restoring the Kop to standing AND the highest capacity stand. A similar conversion of the lower tier of the Anfield Road end would also add another 5000 to the capacity, lifting Anfield to close to 80000 without any more major structural changes.
You can’t just add 80% capacity to a structure that has been designed to certain weight bearing requirements though
Similar a Signal Iduna Park del Borussia Dortmund
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You can, just strengthen the structures under the stand
Good info on the Spion Kop originating as a hill in South Africa - learn something new every day!
Without the transport infrastructure it’s not feasible!
In this order next:
KOP - I would demolish the back third of the kop and add a steeper rake tier from there(still single tier) to match up with height of Annie road. Meaning only 4000 seats would be lost during in construction. So you would end up with 8000 existing at shallow rake then a new 9000 continuing tier resulting in 17000. 65/66000 overall
KD STAND - I think demolishing three rows of houses maybe a bit much. I think just demolishing one row (or two at a push ) it may be plausible able to add 5/6000 seats rather than copying main stand, giving a stand of 16/17000 with a height a bit less than Annie road due to same capacity but greater overall length.
This would result in overall capacity of 70-72000 which I think is fine. It would be a truly unique 4 sided stadium but still feel intimate. The main stand would be still be the biggest, the kop would still be on par with the biggest in the country and overall there would be little disruption to the local area as possible. The only down side would be the continued shitty legroom in the kop, though hopefully it would be safe standing.
What would you do with the people who live near the ground...? Kick them out...?
@@ivorscrotumic3556 they are offered above value for there homes if they choose not to take the offer then the project maybe a non starter, the council may deem the project more beneficial to the area and insist on compulsory purchases. As I say this maybe a lot to ask for three rows for one row maybe feasible. Do you think all the houses were empty that were demolished for the main stand?
The main problem with any expansion of the Kop is Walton Breck Road. The road will either have to be re-routed or bridged by the expanded stand, neither option being easy or cheap.
The closeness of the spectators to the edge of the pitch is really what generates a lot of the magic at Anfield. I hope they never mess with this. As to the capacity of the ground eventually the Dalglish and Kop will get upgraded and Anfield could have a capacity of over 75K........can you imagine how completely and utterly beautiful this will be!!! ......but don't mess with the closeness of the supporters to the edge ever, ever.
will? acc to who?
The Kop needs supporters from the local area. Put all the tourists in the centenary. Kids from Liverpool in the Kop, it would booming.
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It can be done in this order.
1. Rebuild pub, church and 2 trading shops on vacant land first over the road. The houses at the moment on the corner are all boarded up except 1.
2. Demolish properties and build a new road running parallel with the existing one, improve the junction by the petrol station to make it safer ie traffic lights. The road would only need to be closed when it met up with existing one.
3. Once the road is complete, construction work could begin on the new kop in a similar way to what's happening now to the Anfield Rd. Either build a new tier of extend the kop back leaving the existing stand untouched and no need to close it during the season.
Agree 100%. Can go higher, arch the roof and get a good sized standing section in there too.
Standing section? Literally no one on the Kop sits down anyway.
Hi mate it my dream to see the kop a as bigger as possible I hope to god it dose happen u have speak a lot off sense thank you so sharing again 🙏👍🙏👍🙏Alan
If I had a choice between the Kenny and the kop for a stage 3 I'd go for the Kenny all day more capacity and the stadium won't look odd, having said that I don't live on them back houses. Kop you could go standing in certain parts like park head, nice work again pal and bringing up discussions 👍
LFC need to expanded to around 70k capacity, to be able to compete commercially with the major Euro clubs, generating bigger crowds (more accessibility to tickets for spontaneous attendance), growing the fanbase further ...
It would never get to 70k… I don’t know how people will get to the ground when the extended Anfield road stand opens up..
an extra 6,000 people.. plus staff..that’s a lot to cope with.
WRONG. LFC is in the city of Liverpool. People actually live in Liverpool & some of them live near to Anfield. There are shops there & all the local amenities that people need. LFC does NOT run the city & the city does NOT revolve around LFC. The club can't just expand the stadium any time it wants. There's a limit.
The Kop will not be expanded. End of story, no matter what this bloke says.
@@mightyred1967 It could lol. Before the anticipated main stand and Anfield Road upgrade, which is expected to increase Anfield's capacity to 61k seats, it only had a capacity of 45k. If the Kop and Dalglish stands were also upgraded, it could potentially reach a seating capacity of 70k.
Interesting to see all the old reasons for not doing something re-surfacing. Fact is, if there's a good enough reason to do it, it can be done. And no, it doesn't need a railway or a tunnel. Lowering the pitch won't help (unless you don't mind not seeing all of the goals or making a small pitch smaller). Height or tiers don't add capacity (the overlaps are minimal but a higher stand is more intimidating). Width and distance from the pitch do (up to a safety limit). The money doesn't make strict sense or even any sense but what's the 'value' of a RED WALL of let's say, double the capacity (with standing)?
Loving your vids mate 👍 life long 44 year old LFC fan from Ireland 🇮🇪 loving watching the updates on Anfield road stand.
Yup
Agree, the Kop needs to be bigger and could overhang Walton, so cars could drive under it.
Yeah with a similar design to the new stand, the seating could surely overhang the core structure at the back
Easier said
Why not put the cars in a tunnel.
They won’t do that because of the possibility of a terrorist attack under the stadium.
It doesn't even need to over hang it they could take it under the stand via a tunnel
Knock it down build it higher with a sterper rake. Good idea along with safe rail seats . You may have solved the issue.👍
If you knock it down that’s 30,000 seats lost over 2 years. Say you get an extra 5,000 seats out of it. It would take 6 years just to claw back your lost revenue before you even start paying off the cost of the construction. Makes zero sense.
They could easy push out extra seats into the corner with the main stand. They have room the side of the KOP/Main. Easily enough for 1k with current footprints.
Spot on lad been saying it for years it’s the grandstand should be huge 👍🏼
The Kop is the hardest one to do because you’d almost have to rebuild the entire thing to get it right. So it would be down for a season or two and who’s going to accept that if they hold season tickets on the kop. Kenny’s stand could be done similar to the main stand provided they can also buy out the property on that side. That would be the next step I’d imagine.
Just give them concessions to be in the new stand etc, they would accept it if they were to see, to know what it would achieve for the club, to put the Kop back to what it was, the biggest and best. At the moment it is the noisiest, the best, but it is the smallest, that cannot be for long, surely. sacrifices have to be made.
Phase 3 is the kenny stand kop is phase 4 ❤️YNWA❤️
Looking at the design for the new main stand and anfield road end, it looks like they could remove the roof and seating of the Kop and build a similar roof to the other new stands with extra seats on top of the existing structure of the Kop. Could probably add 5 to 7000 seats to the Kop for £20-30m that way, taking the capacity over 65,000.
I believe the skd stand should be done next to replicate the main stand and make the ground in unionson,,then it will be 80,000,,without kop being done ,for time being
@@samsingh3753 sounds great but gonna need to buy a whole row of houses demolish them and build it similar to the main stand and that took a loooong time
Liverpool have made a bit of a mess of this. We are now hemmed in for the forsake future. The main stand could and should of been built 10/20m further back, giving the club the chance to move the pitch and renovate all the other stands.
They wasted an opportunity when they built the new kop
When Arsenal built the Emirates stadium, an entire area was transformed and many business, houses, roads etc was relocated. Im certain Liverpool can do this for the Kop!
The main business at the emirates was a recycling plant.
They paid a lot of money to relocate and build a new plant. There is a great video on you tube the building of the emirates I think it`s called well worth a watch to people interested in football stadiums.
Yes development needs in centenary stand and Kopp so get planning permission asap
Just because you make it steeper doesn't mean you make it larger in capacity.
You need to build BACKWARDS to increase capacity, whether it be a steeper stand or a second tier.
If you keep exactly the same footprint and go steeper and higher you will automatically increase the capacity.
You don't need to build BACKWARDS to do that.
@@garyfairhead3186 I disagree. If you do that, you will need to build HIGHER as you are maintaining the gradient.
Therefore, backwards is the only way.
@@MetaFootballTV That's what I said and KC means.
Higher and steeper with the same footprint will add more rows of seats.
@@garyfairhead3186 Buy that won't work.
May I suggest that first remove the roof of the kop end to then expand the rear part and steepen the angle and hang over the road a bit at one end then go a bit further with the other end where the road is further away and then use the same method of Everton’s Goodson road stand where the upper tier is like a balcony high enough over the main tier and with a steeper angle then reinstate the roof and keep the stand with squared off ends in likeness to the other three stands good job done hey
Looking forward to the SKD video lad
Obstacles are…needing a rail network of some sort installed in the Anfield area because once a venue or stadium reaches a certain capacity I think 65k there needs to be that because of congestion which I can believe because Anfield is a nightmare on a match day as it is on the road, Walton Breck Road is an A road of course and that will need to be rediverted or whatever other countermeasure, the businesses and church will need to be bought out and relocated but even moving either stand further back there needs to be a certain distance free due to laws of sunlight which is why the main stand cleared about 4 rows of houses or something, if FSG want to do it they can the only thing is it’s going to be a huge amount of investment it’s a 10 year plan imo if they are gonna do it
To Expand the Kop they'd have to tear the whole stand down. This would mean lost revenue. The reason all of the other stands for expanded is because they were able to keep the existing stands open whilst doing them.
It was completely rebuilt in 1994. Sometimes it just has to be done. Can't leave it forever if it could be bigger, that's a false economy.
@@FloatingOnAZephyr It had to be done then to comply with The Taylor Report
@@derekfallon1527 But it was done. Then for safety, now for capacity. I doubt we'll see it any time soon, but one day they'll want the extra capacity and it'll be the only option left. It'd be interesting to see what the average lifespan of a football stand is.
@@FloatingOnAZephyr Now for capacity? Nothing's been done now to The Kop. Sure they might WANT to do it in future. Back in 1994 they NEEDED to do it. With the footprint around it I don't it's possible. The Anfield Road end isn't even finished!
@@derekfallon1527 Clearly I didn't mean right now. The video is literally about how it could be done. Nobody is suggesting it is imminent. If the club thinks it could get another 5K people in the ground or whatever, that's a huge incentive. Clearly you start with the easier projects first, which they've done.
Could they not build over the road so it goes under the stand.?
I can’t find the follow up bud where you said you’d talk about the Dalglish stand .. have you done it mate ?
I agree I didn’t realise how wide and how far back it goes - we would have to knock the stand down though and start from scratch would be a shame but needed
did the allianz arena tour a few years back and the stands are quite steep and the gradient gets steeper the higher it goes so that the noise is diverted into the roof which then redirects it back towards the pitch. ideally you'd get same height as the main stand. effectively that is what the allianz is inside - 4 steep sided stands - rather than an emirates or wembley style despite the bubble outer makes it look like. Aldo wasnt the main stand design take inspiration from the Dortmund stadium
You don't want it too steep. In the Bernabeu the upper 2 stands are a nightmare for the spectators....watching the game between your feet. If you want a bigger stand you have to expand outwards....
I agree with expanding the Kop, but even if LFC actually want to do so, crowd mobilization and transportation are actually the bottleneck. Without additional access to public transport, further capacity increase is would not make any sense nor feasible..
Would also improve the acoustics and overall noise and atmosphere. Roof heights should be at the same height joined and stretched as far as possible to keep the noise in.
No chance on planning permission, too complex in terms of the problems whilst building. 62k will be the lot.
Bit by bit they will already have the plans in place and they will have to work hard to get the extra space to extend the kop money talks and am sure people would be willing to sell for the right price to benifit the ground but time will tell they surely wouldn't of decided to stay at anfield and redevelop it without plans for the most difficult stand which is the kop let's just see what happens it could be a couple more years before the next phase is talked about
I believe the SKD stand should be the final stand redeveloped.& just think of the following,if the other 3 sides are rebuilt in the same build of Annie rd & the main stand the centenary stand certainly would not look so out of place like the KOP as it is now looks
Footballs greatest terrace as we all know is our very own spion kop,I couldn't agree more that it shouldn't be dwarfed by the other stands ...what you suggest is perfectly feasible and really it should be a matter of course that the kops enlarged
I agree 👍 💯 with your argument
Great vid cheers bud
Lift the stand with hydraulic ramps system lift the whole thing up from the ground and add extra steels if we can move whole buildings and move them to another site then it will be possible to lift the kop
Fill the corners. Add a steep tier 2/3 towards the back. And overhang the road
It´s obvious The Kop must be expanded. Building techniques develop further all the time, every possible problem with it is solvable.
I am against a Kop expansion. Because... Firstly, It starts and generates the noise from within which, because of it's shape, pushes the intimitating sound directly out into the ground at opposing team's ear level.. And Secondly, The Kop is an Iconic stand, and those who mostly pack it out, are the genuine hardcore LFC fans, mostly, that call it their home or even their church. They deserve to have their"home", where the most of 'em know each other and can be amongst themselves.
I must say here that I am an expat and only get to 'pool about 2 to 3 times a season. I was however once lucky enough to get a Ticket for a very good seat on the Kop, and cherished every moment of the game (even though it was a draw v Brighton, when we desparatly needed a win.
No, keep it as it is, this World renown stand, that still roughly, resembles the Spion Kop (despite the roof) and the original Anfield Kop.
Good video KC, very interesting content and I like the way you get us involved in Anfield Stadium daily affairs. The more thoughts and ideas out there, the easier it should be to do the right thing for the common good.
thanx and greets from Switzerland.
Steeper Kop would love that👍
If they are ever able to expand to the Kop it has to be by another 10k seats minimum (taking us to 22k seats) there’s no point of expanding it by a couple thousand like the anfield road stand (7k extra seats isn’t enough tbh)
I agree with you
Correct me if Iam wrong but I thought there was historical significance about the gradiant of the kop stand, its the same gradiant as the hill from the Boar War "Spion Kop" that the Lancashire Regiment lost so many men capturing, which is way it was named after it
FSG have deliberately done the easiest upgrades first, and I cant say i blame them. The option to build behind then join the two together is no longer available on the Kop. The current capacity is 12,600 approx (give or take a few hundred) . Basing on the fact Spurs new stand is about 17,000 behind the goal so assuming thats the realistic limit (Im assuming thats the largest single tier behind a goal in the UK) so Im assuming (could be wrong) thats as big as is feasable. Ive seen other far mor knowledgeable individuals on rawk mention there are rules regarding maximum distance from the far end of the pitch, maximum angle of elevation which limit ultimate size in The UK. So thats approximately only 4,400 more, which isn’t a huge increase. Factor in the cost of moving two pubs a church WBR and probably several other residences to make way for the new WBR plus its a total rebuild, so losing it for two years. Thats an eye watering cost assuming permissions can be gained. I could of course be talking utter bollocks here, but FSG would require a huge amount of willpower to overcome all that
This is why the Kop will never change for 50 years, considering the ARS extension is costing £80M how much to flatten the Kop, rebuild from scratch, all the infrastructure cost's plus the 2 years of lost revenue, today's prices maybe £200M for another 5000+ fans.
Clearly never happen
@@lancemoutray2832 unfortunately I agree
@@Mark13091961 with hindsight a new build should have been seriously considered
@@lancemoutray2832 its a controversial decision for sure but I understand your point. Gillette and Hicks did and got as far artists renderings, but FSG dismissed the idea pretty quickly by committing to the Main stand. We are were we are
Won’t be fsg..😂
Anfield need tunnel like Vincente Calderon
The famous kop yes famous.will be the smallest stand in our ground
i wish in short future they can expand the stadium all 4 stands or at least 3 stands if all 4 cant be completed... not only overall is gonna look 100% better but also club like Liverpool needs at least 70k stadium its sooo many people waiting on season tickets...
Liverpool, at least, deserves a 65k seats stadium. Adding 3500 seats more on the kop and replicate the annie road stand in this, and another 1000 on SKD stand (buying the row of houses at the back of the stand) could reach it.
‘Deserve’ a least 65,000 ?? Where the hell do you pluck that figure from? Also what do you mean ‘deserve’? Bizarre
Used to go in the 'boys pen' n during the game climb over the fence into the kop n join my elder brother.
I’d say the Kop unfortunately will be the last to be expanded. SKD will probably be next. So if the KOP has to be bulldozed they other 3 expanded stands would bridge the loss of revenue from the KOP being empty. My opinion is they’re looking at or waiting to see if the degrees in what a stand can be set to increases meaning they can have a steeper stand with more bums on seats plus could have rail seats so even more bums on seats, plus how much more seats could be fitted to the other 3 stands probably another 5-10k. Push Mersey rail to build a station at back of Stanley Park cemetery where the rail line is, so fans can leave via a train station back to the city as well as buses, taxis & walking. Keep the videos coming & discussions
U mean safe- standing not rail seats? This will be very difficult, not bc u couldnt fit more ‘ bums in expanded stands but bc more people means more pressure in the concourses and safety issues. The atmosphere would be better with safe- standing but i don’t think LFC would allow more people bc of the possibility of crushes in the concourses. Could be wrong on that . Depends on how many people the concourses can take at one time.
The Kop
Memories
Started going there in 1963
Right behind the goal
On the first set of barriers
Not on the wall
A big hole would developed at various times in the game
Usually at corners
Then we'd all lean forward and would go running down the steps
How no one got killed was beyond me
End of game step rank with urine
Once you were in you were in
I never drank anything before a game
Memories
Do hot and humid one time the hear from the spectators rise to the roof then condensed and came down like spit
On the telly the commentators thought it was smoke
Favourite goal
Geoff Strong
Injured
Playing up front
Scores winning goal against Celtic Header
I came in from Old haymarket on the bus I worked on Fleet Street
Bootle(Netherton born and bred)
A load of Celtic supporters got on the bus
Scariest day of my life
Live in Surrey BC now
Best move ever
74 and counting
Early 70's me mate. Just by the right hand support in the Kop. Happy days....😁
Hi kev only just cane across this brilliant mate I've always thought about a 2nd teir and go up as that rd is a pain in the ass😂😂
Yes,seems like a good idea.
Higher and steeper wouldn't add that many..... Would also raise the roof higher and you would lose some of that noise!!!
hi kc i agree the steepness of the kop roof can be altered to accommodate an expansion of seats but to do that then they would surely have to remove the existing roof first, however i do believe FSG will employ some architects to look into it and draw up some plans in different ways and angles it could be achieved,
Nice one I used to be a kop season ticket holder and before stood on the old kop
The spurs design ,at the home end of the single tear
Yes the stand can be redesigned but the road will be closed because of this.
Only way is to completely demolish it and rebuild with double story stand, while maintaining the same land size.
I think Kenny Daglish Stand should be the next upgrade then the Kop.
Thank you for a great video.
Think you mean depth, not width. Aside from that, keep up the good work, always enjoy your videos!
The frustrating thing is the Blue Shite are going to have a bigger Kop end!!!! Spurs already have a bigger Single tier...... it cant be impossible to build something bigger qith more capacity
Could part of a new stand float over the existing road. Could make for cool design
The way Arsenal developed the North Bank, with a large upper tier, could be an option. That was the biggest stand at Highbury when it closed and had the best facilities.
Was a Kop season ticket holder in the old standing Kop growing up. And was there for the last stand.
Also you'd have to shut the Kop down for two seasons to do the work..... No Kop for 2 seasons.
I had an idea a while ago..... In that we could've built a huge Kop at the Annie Road End... A Single tier.... Designed to keep the sound in. And then we could've added another tier to the existing Kop.
All the Stands are now relatively new and it would still be Anfield..... But can't do that now
Tottenham new single tier stand is the biggest in Europe? Anfield needs to regain the mantle!
It's bonkers reading all these comments about how LFC MUST expand the ground even further. here's something that many of you may not know. Liverpool Football Club is a football club within a city. A city where people actually live. The area around Anfield is heavily populated & the ground's now about as big as it will get for the foreseeable future. I was stood on the Kop before many of you here were born & I'm a lifelong red, but be realistic ffs.
Liverpool is a city more than it's a football club. Expand this, rebuild that etc etc. People live here folks. Remember that.
Brilliant post lad 👍 from a red in 🇮🇪
It’d be twenty years time when the next stand is redeveloped if we’re lucky, that’s the compromise of staying at Anfield. I’d hate to leave the place but if we want a big capacity that’s what we’d have to do. In this respect everton have stolen a March on us even though it’s only going to be 52k typical Liverpool eh same old same old.
Personally, I wouldnt want the Kop to change its shape angle steapness etc. Keep everything the same, just make it bigger because its that level of steapness that shape etc. is what makes the atmosphere so special. Because its not that steap and goes really far back the noise that comes out of the Kop on matchdays is unlike any other.
Just make it fully corporate and make more money from same area, no build costs keep tourists and company customers happy
Money talks mate - They used to say they would NEVER move the old school at back of parkhead but they DID and built there so sure they will one day.. Check out Bondibot sure saw it fully developed Anfield on there.. Looked Amazing.
It will be interesting to see what happens with The Kop & The KDS in the near future. They will certainly need to be expanded & updated to sit along side the other 2 amazing new stands.
Anfield really should be in the 80K plus capacity stadium.
Public transport infrastructure could be a bit of a headache with regards to this.
However, I'm sure the people in charge of the purse strings will be thinking big & have a plan in their thoughts for future expansion of the stadium.
Really enjoy watching your videos & also your commentary. Thanks for posting.
well done all the best KC
Hi mate. Wondering if you’ve heard any more about a potential expansion of the Kop or KD stand?
Did I read somewhere that any further expansion after the anfeild Road expansion is complete, would require some form of rail network or link directly to the stadium? Or is that a load of tripe?
I read the same , Wembley is 9 minutes from the nearest station. Anfield is 11 all in all I think it's say so, from one person to the next .
Thats True. Once you get over a certain capacity or plan to, transport and rail links then come into it
So true 👍 old railway station has to open to achieve this to happen
It has to be within a mile or two of the ground I think
Its true 👍,,they would have to open that disused old railway station 🚉
I think the road could be re-routed, there’s plenty of dead land behind the church and other buildings there. It’s not an impossible task. I hope they expand the kop one day
the club elders must already know the potential of the future stadium, hence, they decided not to build a new stadium, they could make it like the rose bowl and simply elevate everything so it's steeper, raise the roof, as we say, lol, compared to the old days, the kop must be a great experience, I remember being thrown around and squashed like a tomato during a hellish game against the mighty Forest side of Cloughy, the most chaotic night I saw in the kop, and to think, in the future there will be thousands of arabic fans with red on their heads cheering us on, throwing some money into the club, sounds promising.
The stand will need to be demolished and the kop capacity could reach 16k.
I can’t see FSG Investing on kop stand if it’s only going to increase the capacity by 3 or 4 thousand (within the current ground boundary).
I thought LFC couldn’t go over 60,000 due to there not being a close enough railway station? Or is that incorrect?
How many roads do these wanna reroute to get there way... Not to mention how many lives they ruined when they built there loft conversion n run people from there homes which held sentimental memories...LFC the biggest scorn of L5
Hi Kev, sorry, I know it's an old post, so you might not pick this comment up.
But I've been thinking. Now we can see the true scale of the Anfield Road end is their an opportunity to revisit what the potential of a Kop expansion would look like?
For example, you did two great videos on how many streets the Main stand took up when expanding and the potential number of streets it would take for the King Kenny stand using past & present Google Maps.
Is there something similar you could replicate here to show just how far back an extended Kop would need to go?
Just judging by how the roof connects on the Main stand to the new Anfield Road I suspect the Kop would need to sit a bit further back than it is now.
And what's your opinion on the historic design of the Kop reaching back into the shadows versus the potential new design you highlighted here i.e. going high/steep, similar to Spurs & Dortmund. Do we lose any mystic?
Ps great videos from you and Mister Drone. Had me hooked on these for the past 18 odd months! Thanks again.
Cool. Thank you
Kop and sir Kenny Dalglish Stand should be next 😊
The thing about height is ya can't block a certain amount of sunlight. Looking from here we can see the Shadows don't go towards the road. So there shouldn't be a problem. But who knows what would happen, people are bound to complain
I'm watching this in June 23. Is there any news on whether this Kop expansion is still on the cards?Thanks.
In response after watching the video,the 1st thing that stands out us yes the club has definitely got to work with what they've got & a steeper single tiered stand the same height as the new annie rd or as close as would surly be the best approach & yes bring the seats closer or as close as to pitchside
Won't work. The Anfield Road stand is going to be twice as deep as it was. You can't put any more rows of seats in the same depth of stand. It makes no difference how steep it is. People still need legroom.
They make round circle the Klopp stand into the Kenny stand, both rise together, i think higher the the other two stand
Probs most likely scenario is they make it all standing again to increase capacity
You are mentioning width when you mean depth. The Spion Kop is a deep grandstand but the same width as the Anfield Road end. The incline could be altered but the cost v extra seating (or safe standing) would be difficult to justify economically.
Not to mention the logistical issue of closing the whole Kop for virtually two years. Since the Kop is virtually full of season ticket holders those people would need to be moved temporarily into other stands or have their season tickets paused. It just won’t happen. Only room for expansion after the Kemlyn Road is in the corners of the ground, which again is much easier said than done
You can re-route the church, pub and the road, whether the club would be allowed to us another matter and like with everything else in the world it boils down to money. If the club pay for a new church, new pub and shops then it can be done and if enough Palma are greased at LCC then it can be done. It’s over fifty years since three men got in a rocket blasted off into space, landed on the moon, gathered a few rocks, got back in the rocket and came back to earth. If they can do that they can expand The Kop.
For it to go higher you also need a room.. so it needs to go backwards to the road... it can't just go higher mate...