This is just my opinion but I think the original headstone should have went with them when they moved them. Those families pay for them and some had special memories or messages on them
I think something similar happened in Denver. Its now a park and houses if I remember right. Might check that one out. I was mad at first but by the end of the video I understood more. The one in Denver is a really messed up deal
I think this is totally disgusting. People used their hard earned money to make a loved ones grave personal to them. What a shitty disrespectful thing that college did.
I have been into old cemeteries since I was a little kid in the 1960s. Every time we traveled, I would always want to go to the oldest graveyard in the area we were in. Later, I became a volunteer with our many local cemeteries. This dumping of 28,000 gravestones and bodies is culturally the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my entire life. What makes it even worse is that Temple did it to build freaking SPORTS fields. NOW I'm really pissed off. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Any honorable human would be pissed off this is why i don't like most humans anymore. Thank God there are still decent people around in this self centered day and age.
Beyond disgraceful. Makes me so sad. I too love exploring cemetaries, the older the better. This is a perfect example of how America is degrading from within. No excuse for this. City should have taken over maintenance. Absolutely deplorable.
In 1954, Temple University purchased the cemetery which was 11 1/2 acres as you stated. Families of the deceased claimed about 8,000 of the 28,000 bodies there. The rest were moved to Lawnview Memorial Park. So sad... But another interesting thing to note is that, not only were the marker's, monuments and headstones used for riprap, but also, a monument to George Washington and Marquis de Lafayette were used for the Betsy Ross Bridge. Temple University is among the worlds largest providers of professional education, in several different fields. One can only hope they also teach, Respect, Morals, and common decency! The one's who did this certainly didn't have any! All for what? Athletic fields and a parking lot? Sickening.... Footnote: I think that each individuals headstone should have been moved to Lawnview Memorial Park along with each body.
If you think universities are about respect, morals or decency you still have much to learn. For the most part they are no better than a wal mart, selling the lowest quality product they can get away with to the largest number of people while putting on a show to pacify and distract. I spent too many years working on my degrees at different universities, all were putting on a facade of class and progress and hiding rampant low quality instruction, corruption and greed.
all but 300 were buried in a mass grave at Lawnview & those 300 are the 1s who had family that cared enough or were still alive to have them moved - there was a memorial at 1 time have no clue if its still there ya have to remember this happened in 1956
@@DoctorEnigma01 As they should, not. Respect, morals and common decency, aren't taught in schools (ALL school's) anymore, because that is something, that should be, TAUGHT AT HOME 🏡,!!! Alot of older people 'bitch' about that, but that's why schools don't, anymore. It's not their business, to!!!
This is outrageous. How awful to disrespect the dead. I can’t believe that this was allowed! I wonder why there wasn’t more of an outcry by the community to allow this to happen. Everyone one of those stones should have been placed at the new resting places of the deceased. This makes me sick. It’s just sacrilegious. Shame on Temple University.
I have heard that a large number of the deceased were people of color. If this is true, it’s sad to say but it explains why this was easier to accomplish with the poor and disenfranchised?
Every one of those tomb stones should be recovered, restored and used in a memorial to the families who paid hard earned money to create a lasting tribute. The city and Temple University should be made to pay for the clean up, restoration and building a memorial. I’m truly sickened by this.
In the video, it was stated that the cemetery was full with no new revenue coming in. There was no upkeep and was declared a nuisance. Temple actually repurposed the land.
You were very courageous & truthful Mobile Instinct.American companies did quite a lot to us working citizens who served and got away with it. No kidding. Transmission sent from Mount Rose,NV. 8.01pm 6.2.22
There has to come a point where things are given up and recycled. Its natures way. Holding on the century old graves and cemeteries serves no purpose. People can't seem to accept the impermanence of us all and the fact we will all turn to dust eventually.
I shot some photos at a local cemetery when I was in high school for photography class, I found a corner with a huge pile of broken and stacked headstones. After looking at the dates I realized they had targeted families that no longer exist and basically resell they’re grave plots and just toss the tombstones with no care. It’s so fucked up, I knew then there really is no resting in peace forever because it’s a cycle that will continue until the end of time. I feel like most people have little to no empathy for those who lived 100 years ago, and it’s something that truly makes me sad deep in my heart.
I’ve seen similar things, but it’s usually because the markers can’t be read or are broken, they just remove them at some point because they’re unsightly and the fact is, nobody cares enough to do something about it. It costs money, and these cemeteries already don’t really make much profit to begin with. Your best bet for peace in the grave is to be buried on church property. Although I can’t say for certain plots are resold. I wouldn’t be surprised at all in some places, but I’ve never seen it.
It's sad, but not uncommon. Around the world, cemeteries are rented plots, after X amount of years, and the bodies are decomposed, bones are given to the family, and the plot is made ready for the next decedent. That explanation is the short-story version. The only way to be undisturbed forever, is obviously a lot of money, but remember, King Tutankhamun had money too. Honestly, with the raising of the Monitor Turret, in the good ole US of A, that set a precedent, so I think after the same amount of time as the Turret, the Arizona is next because she's leaking oil. I was deadset against the raising of the Turret and I'm even more so against the Arizona, they're Wargraves, but I'm one person, so what I think and say is immaterial, not jaded, it's facts.
@@chincemagnet or be buried on family land lots of rural Graves left alone, my family has a small cemetery next to an old church, at some point they need to expand it as it is small and my grandparents let many non family be buried there, probably where I will end up planted
@@johnjerman3421 I expect them to treat the gravestone and gravesite with RESPECT, for all eternity, as they are legally required to do. That is what I, and everyone else expects them to do!
So many families paid what money they had to buy there loved ones a rememberence stone!! And that’s what has become of them?? Crazy to know what our future holds!!
@@terrynixon2758 I commented before watching the whole video. That was foolish on my part. However, I hardly believe they know where all those people are buried exactly in the new resting place, given some of the new markers were essentially on top each other. Also, Why would they go through the trouble of making new headstones, when they could've just moved the remains and original headstone to new location?
Wow….. I would like to know, if I have a “monument” carved and placed at the grave of a loved one - it would be left there, undisturbed, regardless of time. I don’t know. This is just a really sad thing, I mean some of those stones from the 1800’s and early 1900’s would have definitely been something not all people could afford back then, all hand carved and erected, probably a couple months or more to create. The whole “DUMPING” of these headstones just seems to be an act of blasphemy ….. Someone went straight to hell over it and they DESERVE everything hell has to offer an empty soul .
This happens all the time. I worked with Archaeologists at The Smithsonian who removed graves so the ground could be built upon. It also happened to my Great Grandfather's grave and monument in Oella, MD. They don't even notify the living relatives. Money always wins.
Delta Colorado is a huge native American grave yard,my friend quit his night time stocking job at Safeway, because Indians would appear in the isles and ask why he was standing on there grave!!??
I was helping a friend of mine remodel an historic house in California and we found headstones from an antique graveyard that were used to prop up the foundation on the house. It makes you wonder what happened to the bodies.
Can't find my great grandparents Graves, 1968 they and most of the cemetery they were buried in were disinterred for a house. A single house.... my grandpa said they were mummified...
My Mother went to Temple on scholarship right out of high school. She was born in 1920 so I guess she started college around 1937. I remember she told me she would walk past a graveyard at night near campus. She continued her education and earned two Bachelor’s degrees as well as her Master’s. I am so glad she wasn’t there when this happened. SHAME on Temple University for their part in this horrible debacle and the total disrespect shown for the remains of the dead. What a tragedy to just throw away the memory of the lives of these people and the beauty of those grave stones. All for a football field.
Ball fields and golf courses are wasteful uses of land, to add insult to injury. Not to mention the massive amounts of chemicals dumped on them to preserve the look.
To my way of thinking, the older the headstone, the richer the history. These beautiful, old headstones provide to us a historical perspective....we could learn so much from those old monuments! And, I think the bodies should be left alone....these historic graveyards are majestic, peaceful due to the nature of a cemetery, and if maintained, they are like lovely parks, and can be used as pretty parks that still respect the dead. It's appalling to me that Temple U did this, and San Fran, and other cities that deem it ok to rip up history, toss that history on a riverbank, cover up old graves with cement, and carry on. It's despicable.
People in the 1800s had picnics in cemeteries b4 there were city parks cuz the grass was so nice. I know there r still graves 6ft under that foot ball field their headstones were just removed. Some of the headstones r so old no1 alive knows who they r anymore. Imagine I burned my mother in her final resting place then 30 40 years later I get a call saying u need 2 move yr mothers 🪦& ⚰ the university wants the land 4 a foot ball field. What if I couldn't aford it then what. They tossed my mother's $2000 🪦 over a cliff & people play foot ball over her grave. I can't believe the community allowed the 2 happen.
"Richer the history" ??? How "rich" is that in dollars & cents because that's how human worth is valued in our society. In Capitalist America, if it doesn't increase the "bottom line", then it isn't Worth A DAMN !!!
@@sallymay3643 What a disgrace! I'm so sorry this happened to your mother's grave and tombstone. I think graveyards/cemeteries should be protected, sacred places, like a highly prized park, where families can go and picnic, or just sit together in a peaceful, beautiful park....old gravestones are truly majestic and carry history that is educational for everyone. This is a big disgrace what you described about your mother's site. Things like this, like abortion, should NEVER happen. Shalom. 💜🕊💜✡️🇮🇱✝️💜🕊💜
This happened literally a 3 minute walk from my home. The gravestones were removed, smashed and dumped at the side of the former small chapel cemetery to make room for a . . . car park. It turned out in the end that there were no living descendants of the buried as the cemetery was very old (pre-1900) and they were mostly mine workers and farm workers and their relatives. I guess that doesn't make it ok, but it still seems disrespectful. Many thanks Chris for some great content, take care and regards from UK.
I would counter your statement....there is ALWAYS decedents of dead in a cemetery. Even 1721 to 1792 tombstones have had children and blood relatives living today. Whether those decedents care or not might be the point. I would care...to have my great-great-great-great grandfather remain untouched. That's only 4 to 5 greats to get back to the early 1800's..over 200 years.
This a very strong argument against nuclear power. People are temporarily limited. They cannot be trusted to maintain anything for any serious length of time, certainly not the time of a half life for a lot of the radioactive elements from nuclear power generation.
Check out what happened in Louisville, Kentucky. There is a documentary about this. In Tennessee, all the Indian burial mounds have been pretty much razed or become state property and built upon, including the Tennessee state capitol building.
In San Francisco, they moved a lot of the original cemeteries to Colma when the city expanded westward. However, with one, they apparently moved the stones but not the bodies. This was discovered when during expansion of a museum that was built on top of them. When the museum started construction on a new wing, they thought it was only a couple overlooked bodies. An archeologist friend of mine was called in, and he said it was a "worst case scenario." I asked what he meant. He said his team did a thorough survey, and the developers didn't move ANY bodies, only the stones. Apparently, the museum itself was on top of the bodies of many of the founders of San Francisco. Probably a good thing it wasn't houses. It was definitely like something out of the Poltergist film, though minus angry ghosts.
A book published by Arcadia, "Philadelphia Graveyards and Cemeteries" tells the fate of many Philadelphia Cemeteries. I read somewhere a ditch was dug near a North Philadelphia mall and bodies were dumped. I don't recall if it was Monument or not. Some of my great great grandparent's children were buried in Lafayette Cemetery which is no more.
I’ve seen older cemeteries that close, but they moved all the old tombstones to where the bodies were moved to and built a giant wall out of the old tombstones. This is the craziest thing. I saw another RUclips video were a mausoleum was abandoned in Rhode Island or somewhere , the bodies went unclaimed and were cremated. Imagine how much those families paid to keep their loved ones remains in a mausoleum only for them to end up cremated. Huge waste of money.
@C McB My exact thoughts...what a waste of valuable building materials! Certainly those souls left behind in the cemetery could have been honored in some way other than having their headstones illegally dumped like trash!
The cemetery "removal" may have been a criminal act. I had a story like this when I was a reporter in Port Charlotte, Florida about 30 years ago. A bunch of tombstones had been dumped over the bank of the Peace River. The Charlotte County Sheriff's Department quickly tracked them (running the names on the graves through the state's Bureau of Vital Statistics) and found where they were supposed to be and -- if I remember right -- a land developer got into a lot of hot water over that. It sounds like you should bring in some local Phila. news channels and let them get the story going. Temple will be forced to face the music on this. The "blame game" is going to be fun, once the TV news and Philadelphia Inquirer get going on this. Might not be too hard to locate some of these people's descendants and get their views about it.
@@Blox117 Not true. Everybody who ever "got away with" anything in the history of getting away with things that are wrong, but who got caught later...didn't permanently get away with it. And Temple University should not be allowed to get away with this either.
@@Blox117 "Time of Discovery," my friend. Let's say that one of the descendants of people could have been contacted -- but wasn't -- and now finds their ancestor's tombstone laying on the riverbank. This could very well open up an inquiry into just how much effort was made in trying to locate relatives and descendants.
I moved down to Fort Myers 31 years ago from the Midwest, do you know if the stones are still at the area along Peace River or did they remove them? If you don't know of them being removed can you give me coordinates on the location?
I dont see how anyone can think that this is ok. The family's picked the plot of land for their loved ones, they then picked a headstone, and carefully chose what was to be on it. That land is owned by the dead. I would be furious if this happened to one of my family members.
this is sad..where I come from, a cemetery is sacred ground, and never moved..thanks as always for researching as much as possible to give an informed, informed,intelligent video..
As a culture, we don’t respect ourselves and we certainly don’t respect the past. The past is just another commodity to be rewritten, destroyed, repurposed and sold.
Good find. I've lived In Philly my whole life. I live about 3 miles from there and never knew about this. It's sad Temple dealt with it the way they did. By the way the Betsy Ross bridge was finished in 1976. My Father and some other members of my family are buried at Lawnview cemetery about 100 yards from the mass grave and I wondered why it was an empty field there. Now I Know it's a mass grave. I watch you're channel and you always find interesting stuff. Be safe.
I've had a bit of time to consider this and it must happen regularly. There is an old Music Hall song " They're Moving Father's Grave To Build A Sewer. " So it happened over a hundred years ago.
I have been shocked by that same thing piled up in a cemetery wall corner in So. Illinois and these were all busted up and made of marble. It's a weird feeling to discover.
I have found some dumped also. They looked as though they were rejects. Some were not finished and some had obvious mistakes. Who knows maybe dates were wrong.
If you're ever in the Santa Barbara area, you'll find something similar, though more nefarious... a city that wanted the land for a dog park, so they removed the headstones (used them as fill in a golf course) and left the bodies behind. Some headstones have been re-added recently after some outrage, but it's a dog park with burials. (Vid on my channel) Great stuff as always!
Maybe that's why in the old days we local surfers on the south coast always referred SB as the Santa Barbarians, seems from about Santa Monica north past Frisco the people become very very special, like legends in their own minds and they sure act genetically superior towards the rest of humanity. They sure love their financial segregation, over priced real estate, exclusive dog parks with dog shit bags provided. I used to live on my sailboat in Santa Barbara harbor many many decades ago..Then soon after Montecito and Santa Barbara became the place for hollywood hideouts , Fess Parker/ aka Daniel Boone bought up some pristine coastline and degraded it with development, then the Oprah generation occupied & infested the inland coastal area. then the vinyards, I imagine now it's Kardashian Kountry. I was happy i could just sail away back in 1970. I left the California coast in 1971 when the carefree hippies were still actively trashing it. & never looked back. Fast forward 50 some years & now every major city from San Diego to San Fransisco to Portland & Seattle are basically overpriced ghettos occupied by the homeless who have now occupied these cities in uncontrollable numbers. I think its a form of social justice served for those the real estate exploiters and developers who truly deserve all the major downgrades to their property investments. You would think as a solution these wealthy people would set aside a few acres here and there and make a campground with proper sanitation facilities to help the people. but no they would rather invest in dog parks and bitch about people sleeping on their sidewalks in front of their McMansions and businesses, Greed know no limits.
@@westho7314 Lived there all my life, you pretty much nailed it. Awesome you had a boat out there, I used to see a few sailboats anchored all the time in Summerland. Did harbor patrol ever hassle you on your boat? It’s become a police state out here and everywhere nowadays.
Not that unusual. Sydney (Australia) has a few memorial parks, they look like any other city/council park but are former private cemetaries they went broke and fell in to disreapair so at some point the local goverments removed the stones and landcaped them in to open green spaces. Cemetaries once occupied the land Central and Town Hall railway stations are now built on, graves are unconvered during building work every few years.
Wow! I’m absolutely shocked that they did this, especially at that time in history when people seemed to revere memorializing their loved ones. I worked in funeral and cemetery business and I always felt such respect for the deceased and their families. We never walked across the areas where the caskets were buried. It’s very disturbing to me and if I saw my parents names on their headstone just laying on a rivers edge I’d be heartbroken and very angry. At least they could’ve stacked them face down as a retaining wall and then build a beautiful memorial place on top of the hill with a bronze plaque listing the names dates and other personal sentiments that had been etched into each headstone that was knowingly or unknowingly “donated” to this river bank. Still disturbing. Thank you for sharing such an interesting topic. New subscriber here.
They use them for a barrier. Usually it’s after the tomb stone has been replaced. It’s really not that uncommon. I worked at Bonaventure Cemetery in Savannah and it does the same thing. It’s a barrier to help protect the cemetery from hurricanes.
if you look on temple university on the historic aerials site, you can see the graveyard pretty much where the sports fields are now. one image in 1950 the grave yard was there. the next image is 1965 and it was gone.
In my local cemetery... lost of pile of tombstones that are in a forest hiding... they actually reused the grave and the cemetery actually never gets bigger... don't forget that if you're buried in a crowded cemetery... it's never longer than 10 years
I must say that I've been watching your videos and must thank you for your content. You never show pictures then content is shit. You are to the point and are so very interesting and no bullshit along with it. Thanks bro.
I live in NJ only some 20 odd miles north of here and never knew this. A moral disgrace, not placing the original marker with the body for the family of the deceased labored long & hard to provide a fitting stone for their loved one. But that is progress and politics in the big city when the dead can't defend themselves. Back in the late 1990's, my USCG River Tender buoy boat would often pull into a very small settlement in Illinois called Mosiers Landing; pretty much in the vicinity of Mozier Landing Light at Upper Mississippi River mile marker 260.2; this after a long day on the river working the buoys as far south as St Louis, MO, to our homeport in Keokuk, Iowa to the north. This was our "south river run", we had a similar run that ran north from our homeport up to Clinton, IA. Anyhow, not much was going on in Mosiers for the crew to get changed out and go to; but I recall one time just walking the river bank around the light when I came across a pile of tombstones much like you did in Northeast Philly. I recall being shocked at finding these stones. At the time, the only thing I could come to a conclusion that seemed to make some kind of sense at all was the Great Mississippi River Flood of 1993 could have washed out a nearby cemetery; as that flood inundated the entirety of the Upper Miss, but especially in the south river run that we worked on during the time I was onboard that cutter. Near 30 years later and exhausting every google search I could think of, I have always come up empty. All I know, is that the stones were on the river bank near a river front house; possibly used as rip rap to support the land frontage near the house......
Thats very interesting to know. I was born and raised in that area near the Betsy Ross bridge, and I worked down by the river in that area. Used to be AP GREEN Refractory brick company there. But when I worked there and inquired about the tombstones there I was told that when the bridge was built they removed a grave yard from Richmond st. for the bridge. I would like to know what the real truth is. That is not the only place along the Delaware River there are old tombstones discarded. I can give you details of where there are still bodies buried in fishtown under a playground.
I had a distant relative contact me from Chicago, we live in Albion ny. He was working on a will of a relative that passed and found a fund that was paying a farmer near us to maintain a family cemetery on my grandfathers old farm that we didn’t know existed... so we went and found the cemetery all over grown between 2 corn fields next to the farmers house It was crazy to seeing it some of the tombstones where in the trees 6 feet up in the trunks some where unreadable but most you could still read....lots of small children and a couple relatives they lived into 80s The town came in and cleaned it up My uncle made a sign for it Beecher cemetery
I came across something like this on a beach in Rhode Island a few years ago. After some research it turns out it was a dumping ground. It was a lot of scrap limestone and some finished tombstones, but mostly scrap of whoever made the stones back in the day.
This has to rank as one of the greatest examples of disrespecting the dead I've seen yet. So much for the dead resting in peace. Looks like the dead had no one to speak on their behalf
Wow! I'm in shock over this, that this really happened. Thank you for sharing this and taking the time and finding out all this information about this.
So, if what you are saying is true, then that means those ghosts must have waited around for hundreds of years, well past their whole physical body to turn into dirt, and the natural process of erosion caused their cemetary to erode from the bank of the waterway. Who should the ghosts be mad at? themselves. For choosing to be buried next to a river. Yeah, the more believable story is that nothing happens when you die. It all just ends. Movies over. Ghosts are just the human ego convincing itself that there is more to life than this. But no. You dont get to respawn. You just end. Live everyday like its your last. Because it might be. TLDR: Ghosts are made up. Nothing happens when you die.Who makes up the rules for ghosts anyway? Somebody who is trying to sell you something thats who.
Good video, but Wow. That’s totally disgusting what they did. Just last night I watched a video of a fallen civil war soldier who was moved from where he was buried (where he died alone in battle). The care and respect for the dead soldier, and preservation of his headstone, etc. was unbelievable and powerful. Contrasted with the treatment of this mass of deceased humanity, I am shocked.
that's because americans love to glorify their war dead, even though no-one really cares, and the rest of the dead are to be callously forgotten, but all people fought life's battles and their memorial stones are there to prove it.
Same thing happened in Fredericksburg, VA. Maury stadium between William st and Kenmoore ave was built on a graveyard. There is a plaque on the side of a building there that mentions it. Building used to be a school. I think it's apartments now.
I think it’s disrespectful that people paid for tombstone for their loved one and had it worded the way they wanted it, and somebody comes along and tosses that out and the loving words that they had on those gravestones are not on the new ones, now they’re just generic gravestones. Just very disrespectful.
And what gets me is those people lived only a hundred or so years before. Such a short period of time to go doing this. It's not like an ancient civilization or something.
That's so sad and it's bottom line desecration of a cemetery and it should have never been allowed to take place for any reason. It makes you wonder if it's happened to Civil War cemeteries.
It has happened in 2 different places that I know of here in Texas and someone bought the cemeteries and bulldozed the headstones into a river and new building was begun overtop the old graves. I know this because my relatives were buried in those 2 cemeteries. It’s a horrible shame, but it’s done a lot in our country. Just don’t fool yourselves in thinking that they dug up those old graves because they probably did not.
Wow its sad to see this type of thing happen to loved ones tombstones 😔 I have come across alot of old graveyards and cemeteries on my vlogs but never seen anything like this. I think the dead shouldn't have been disturbed and moved. I recently done a video on an old famine graveyard that was vandalised. Thanks for sharing mobile insinct 👍 at least you kept this story alive and maybe a family member of one of these tombstones might see this video.
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
@@georgestokes5116 Knowing 1950's politics, Temple probably paid off the city not to move the bodies. Someone with a ground scanner should check it out
What a terrible decision it was and the worst of humanity and greed to dig up 28000 coffins to make a dog park! Only 300 official re burials! Most of their headstones said rest in peace! Fuck Temple!!! Using a persons gravestone as rip rap is disgusting! Period!!😡
I grew up in a town that had a revolutionary war battle, and as a kid I remember some concerned citizens making the effort to maintain the small stones and burial where many British soldiers were hastily buried on the side of road. Aka buried in the spot they died. It’s crazy how different places treat the dead and their history.
@@zyzor Go study what the Europeans did with their dead in WW1 and 2. HINT: not a damned thing! When they did it was because America shamed them by picking up our dead and building centerpieces for them. You can look it up here on you tube, there are several videos documenting this. To this very day farmers will be plowing in fields and find dead solders remains because Europeans just give no shits. Its important to remember we might have come out of Europe but we are not European anymore. Their culture as well as their ethics are pathetic and weak.
@@zyzor Go study the Lusitania and the British Admiralty and their complicity in leading the Lusitania into a swarm of Uboats killing hundreds of women and children just to draw America into the war to save their own ass.
They reburied them, as he said. They weren't just dumped. If no one is around who cares about the headstones anymore, then that's OK. It's just stone. It will wear down eventually.
This summer I looked to find my ancestors thumbstones , i discovered that everything older than 100 years old is not there anymore (there are still some ) in canada after 99 years they can remove the thumbstone if nobody pay the lot .
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
Ventura, California. A similar thing happened. There is a park call Cemetery Park, as the name implies, it was once a Cemetery. It belong to the catholic church. The old upright gave markers were removed and dump in a canyon. There are still Graves in what is now a city park. I walked through the park and saw a lot of grave markers that are flush with the ground.
Thank you for relaying this news. I'm saddened to hear this. I recognize that someone determined moving the old tombstones to the new location was too costly. But, I have my doubts that decision maker would feel the same if it included their ancestors. Beware the words, "Perpetual care." No one can guarantee that promise.
I used to set gravestones. So many stories.... When I remember most is when I was learning how to do it correctly, right before the stone dropped and it's perfectly cut out and leveled hole, the man flicked his cigarette underneath it and the stone trapped at their forever. I asked the man: " what if that person never smoked in their whole life and was proud of it and their family had died from lung cancer or something?" He replied: " oh well they have now!". That's a true story. Working for Broward Monument was one of the most underpaying and shallow jobs that I ever walked into and tried to give the respect and life and all the people in many of the cemeteries knew that and respected me for who I was and how I handled it. I was 160 something pounds and I would angle and balance and leverage 250 -pound double headstones off the ground and on my thighs and onto the flatbed truck. They were mostly granite and had rough edges and the smallest Stone weighed about 75 lb and anything more than the 250 we would use the Hoist. It would destroy my steel-toed boots and my socks and my clothes would get ripped for a measly$7.50 an hour back in 1996 and 1997. That's a good business and they always make money consistently and when I inquired about replenishing my necessary garments it was refused and I had to pay out of my own money and it was ridiculous. It was a hard job. That wasn't the extreme things that I would do labor wise with my body and I was twenty-three at the time and now I'm 48 and I would have did things differently and not have taken that job because of the physical strenuousness of it. Almost five years ago I stopped eating meat and realize that I was eating over 200 calories of protein a day... about 130 more than I need or as directed by the standard* of Health. I've never seen a dead body and I've saw a lots of sad people and lots of other crazy things over that year or so. Cemeteries are great place to have a picnic because their landscape and their grounds are often manicured with good grass and trees and plants. We weren't allowed to drive the truck onto some parts so I kept using the dolly pulling it with one hand and one leg was bigger than the other and I had cramps on the other side of my body. Crazy times.
This was done in San Francisco as well. Several cemeteries had their bodies removed and transferred to Colma CA. Hundreds of tombstones from graves that were not claimed were dumped into the ocean at Lands End. Some tombstones were used to build walls in parks around the city.
It isn't "crazy" it's disgusting. The blatant, callous, heartless removal of this cemetery and subsequent lack of respect is unbelievable. Why would the headstones be taken with the body and replaced? And yes, it was "economical" for them...heaven forbid they actually put them where they belonged....but that would of cost a lot more now wouldn't it.
Wow……this was eye opening. Knowing folks paid for monuments to their loved ones thinking they were for all time. I bet some of these families paid a lot for some of those head stones. No automation in making those head stones. All hand quarried and hand crafted for families that cared to provide a monument to a loved ones existence. Crazy to see this.
That's just crazy! Out here in N.M. we had a small cemetery from the 1880's that had to be relocated & all the markers & monuments & headstones were moved to another cemetery and placed with the appropriate body & then re buried in a similar lay out of the original cemetery. The old 7 rivers cemetery was moved, to accommodate the then new Brantly lake, but they didn't just discard the headstones; I guess the laws regarding old cemetery & ancient remains is different because of the historical significance that is found throughout N.M. it just seems disrespectful to move a grave & not take the original marker with the individual remains. The old 7 rivers cemetery had around 100 graves,Graves, it was not the large scale operation that a 28000 site would require; but it just seems wrong to me,knowing that Graves were disrupted in such a way; no dignity or reverence for the dead; & that seems to be the way things are done in our world today,no respect,no honor,no Valor, no dignity & no reverence!
I’m not sure how to feel about this. I noticed at least one headstone in the mass burial had Civil War Veteran on it. I have ancestors from the Revolutionary times buried out in the Philadelphia area. I wonder if they’ve been relocated.
When Lake Lanier in Georgia was built in the 1950s, the lake merely covered over the cemeteries. Divers can still see the cemeteries today. Folklore states that is why this lake has more drownings per year than any other lake in America, even Lake Michigan.
The Discovery Channel did a Halloween special on Lake Lanier calling it the haunted lake. Once a truck full of live chickens fell into the lake. People there said giant catfish were eating the chickens whole--fish about 48 inches long..
Hey if this video was made recent and you're still in the Phili area, there is literally a huge abandoned power plant called the Richmond Power Plant right next to where you were, you should go check it out!
In 1991 I watched that happen to a small town cemetery next to Boeing's main plant in WA. About 150 graves purged for a police department (remodeled the funeral home), then just a couple of years later, razed for a pricy housing development. Relocations were at family cost, only a few exhumed and moved. Some stones returned, others crushed for road fill. I saved/stole a very simple headstone from the pile and relocated "him" (1921) to another quite rural cemetery. RIP forever immigrant man.
I love cemeteries. This is one step beyond. Just think of all the people who made a contribution to this country whose beautiful headstones were tossed aside.
My husband has just begun the process of gravestone purchase to mark his parents grave. Also in the double plot are his grandparents in caskets, and his aunt and uncle’s cremains in wooden boxes. These already have markers. The cemetery is huge and lies on a hill overlooking the coastal mountains and the river. PRIME REAL ESTATE! It sickens me that what Temple U. did could also happen here in BC🇨🇦. Thank you for this enlightening video. 😢
Land erosion is a big thing here on Lake Michigan. They don’t just throw the concrete or stones down. They don’t bury either. The blocks of concrete or and stones are laid out to build a barrier between the water and land to protect the land. That looks like a trash dump. That isn’t going to prevent anything. The multiple names on the markers was a common practice back then too. Who knows.
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
actually, this happened 66 yrs ago - the stones were bought & used as rip-rap & you sure have not watched as they install rip-rap - because it is not a controlled laying out of stones/boulders they are dumped & then moved by bulldozers as little as possible I've seen them use huge bucket cranes to unload Barges of rip-rap into areas around bridges & they sure can't see where the stones lay underwater so its not always as controlled as you think & if you don't think they also are buried near river banks you sure don't understand how erosion works in and around a river that Floods
That's a really disappointing situation. In my opinion, those headstones should have been smashed to rip rap sized stones if they were going to do that with them. Peoples loved ones and family names should not be strewn about the river banks. Yes they are gone and those are just stones now. But we bury loved ones and have rituals to respect our fallen. I could go on, but I won't....Temple University was founded by a religious leader. Hypocrisy knows no ceiling, it would seem that all are capable of it.
in New Jersey they paved 287 in Newark right over miles and miles of cemetery. they didn't find out until years later when one person went to visit their father or grandfather's grave. they just paved over everything didn't care they were supposed to dig up and remove and rebury everybody they were paid for
This makes me so angry that they would do this how dare them like just because someone’s dead doesn’t give you the right to rip up the headstone and build new property on it what the Hells wrong with people
i know, and it makes me wonder if any of them thought how they themselves would like it if they were dug up, dumped in a mass grave, and had their headstone dumped unceremoniously by a river.
Cemeteries are only useful when there are people who do the upkeep on them like living families or caretakers.. They become useless once there are no families in those cemeteries visits them and becomes just becomes piece of land that just drains money for the government.. That is just the facts.. 200 years from now once all your decendants have already have lives of their own and your living relatives are long gone as well.. That reality will just be ever more present.. And everyone just embrace that.
Its very sad .... but some how it makes sense. This was done in a town near us, they also moved bodies and made a memorial garden with seating. The rest of land went for much need new home and shops.
This shocked me to see this and to think that families were notified about their loved ones but not many even bothered to have them removed and placed in another burial ground. There seems no respect for these old tombstones which depict a story that goes with all the buried people there. The cost of having these stones made is very costly and to see them just dumped down at the river appalls me.
I've always wondered what happens when there's no one left to remember you, long after your death. What happens to your gravestone, the remains of your body or casket (if there are any). Very interesting!
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
I've always wondered the same thing myself. When I go to the cemetery and I see these really old dates on tombstones, I think to myself, here lies a beloved person remembered no longer. The family goes through all these changes and expense so they can pay their respect, but once they in turn are gone, anx as time marches on, who is left to remember them and eventually you. It's sad. And it will happen to us all in time. I want to be cremated. No fuss, no muss.
I imagine that driver of the chevy impala late at night, high speed driving across the bridge, sees a woman standing in front of him, veers off the edge... You have to admit though it would make a great ghost story for cars to be inexplicably pulled off the bridge and wrecked into the area where all those tombstones were dumped.
i was thinking that was maybe a mid-late 60's Chevy Impala by what's left of the grill, the car was well past its expiration date way before these 2 guys were even born. Old car boneyards are like Cemeteries but seems modern people have more passion & greed for real estate and a strange respect for their beloved investments in cars than concern for other people. When i went back east i felt small and worthless, people seem so hard headed & opinionated & always in a hurry.
Assuming it didn’t crash off the bridge the main reason a big 4000lb car like that would be tipped over would be to steal parts from underneath such as the axles, maybe the gearbox. I’d expect if it genuinely had crashed there rather than be driven and dumped then the police would have removed it long ago.
@@CycolacFan That's a reasonable assumption. I can tell you from experience that pulling the rear axle out from under a car takes removing 10 bolts/nuts and a couple of people to pull it off to the side. It is not hard to do on tree stumps, blocks, etc. The trans is more difficult but only because of the shifter linkage is hard to get your hand in there to disconnect. Re: Police. They have better things to do. There is more than a thousand unrecovered vehicles in Houston bayous that police believe to be there, but are too costly to recover.
@@snake_eyes_garage so if it had crashed and there were one or more bodies inside the police would remove the remains but just leave the car where it landed…?
@CycolacFan no they would have the vehicle also hauled to a junk yard but if no bodies are inside then it's not worth the time and money dragging it out and disposing of it
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Jeez man I hope the reburied the bodies?? The original Poltergeist movie taught us so much!! 😱💀
This is just my opinion but I think the original headstone should have went with them when they moved them. Those families pay for them and some had special memories or messages on them
@@SirManfly Watch till the end :)
I think something similar happened in Denver. Its now a park and houses if I remember right. Might check that one out. I was mad at first but by the end of the video I understood more. The one in Denver is a really messed up deal
Whoever allowed this to happen should have their family’s graces dug up as well. This is disgusting on so many levels.
I think this is totally disgusting. People used their hard earned money to make a loved ones grave personal to them. What a shitty disrespectful thing that college did.
and all to educate minorities.
I strongly agree.
You are 100% right!
Welcome to reality my friend
thats why i get shit faced and say fuck the city and live my life how my ancestors wanted me to. MY WAY!
I have been into old cemeteries since I was a little kid in the 1960s. Every time we traveled, I would always want to go to the oldest graveyard in the area we were in. Later, I became a volunteer with our many local cemeteries. This dumping of 28,000 gravestones and bodies is culturally the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my entire life. What makes it even worse is that Temple did it to build freaking SPORTS fields. NOW I'm really pissed off. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Any honorable human would be pissed off this is why i don't like most humans anymore. Thank God there are still decent people around in this self centered day and age.
Beyond disgraceful. Makes me so sad. I too love exploring cemetaries, the older the better. This is a perfect example of how America is degrading from within. No excuse for this. City should have taken over maintenance. Absolutely deplorable.
This is disgraceful!! I understand moving the bodies with their tombstones. This is just another level of degredation of our society. How sad.
This is why the end times for this country are coming soon. Its been building up to it for a long time. Sad days.
Me too. This is so disrespectful to people that have passed on. Makes me so angry to see this. Absolutely disgusting!
I am the caretaker of two community cemeteries....this scares the heck out of me that something like this can happen
It's your job to make sure it doesn't happen, if not you who else?
In 1954, Temple University purchased the cemetery which was 11 1/2 acres as you stated. Families of the deceased claimed about 8,000 of the 28,000 bodies there.
The rest were moved to Lawnview Memorial Park. So sad... But another interesting thing to note is that, not only were the marker's, monuments and headstones used for riprap, but also, a monument to George Washington and Marquis de Lafayette were used for the Betsy Ross Bridge.
Temple University is among the worlds largest providers of professional education, in several different fields. One can only hope they also teach, Respect, Morals, and common decency!
The one's who did this certainly didn't have any! All for what?
Athletic fields and a parking lot?
Sickening....
Footnote: I think that each individuals headstone should have been moved to Lawnview Memorial Park along with each body.
There isn’t a collage or university left in this country that teaches respect, morals and common decency, just the opposite
and all for a grass field
If you think universities are about respect, morals or decency you still have much to learn. For the most part they are no better than a wal mart, selling the lowest quality product they can get away with to the largest number of people while putting on a show to pacify and distract. I spent too many years working on my degrees at different universities, all were putting on a facade of class and progress and hiding rampant low quality instruction, corruption and greed.
all but 300 were buried in a mass grave at Lawnview & those 300 are the 1s who had family that cared enough or were still alive to have them moved - there was a memorial at 1 time have no clue if its still there ya have to remember this happened in 1956
@@DoctorEnigma01 As they should, not. Respect, morals and common decency, aren't taught in schools (ALL school's) anymore, because that is something, that should be, TAUGHT AT HOME 🏡,!!! Alot of older people 'bitch' about that, but that's why schools don't, anymore. It's not their business, to!!!
This is outrageous. How awful to disrespect the dead. I can’t believe that this was allowed! I wonder why there wasn’t more of an outcry by the community to allow this to happen. Everyone one of those stones should have been placed at the new resting places of the deceased. This makes me sick. It’s just sacrilegious. Shame on Temple University.
they don't care,politicians.look at Kensington st?!!!
I doubt anyone was told of it.
I have heard that a large number of the deceased were people of color. If this is true, it’s sad to say but it explains why this was easier to accomplish with the poor and disenfranchised?
Every one of those tomb stones should be recovered, restored and used in a memorial to the families who paid hard earned money to create a lasting tribute. The city and Temple University should be made to pay for the clean up, restoration and building a memorial. I’m truly sickened by this.
In the video, it was stated that the cemetery was full with no new revenue coming in. There was no upkeep and was declared a nuisance. Temple actually repurposed the land.
A cemetery should NEVER be disinterred‼️ this is outrageous!
You were very courageous & truthful Mobile Instinct.American companies did quite a lot to us working citizens who served and got away with it.
No kidding.
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How long until they do the same to Arlington National Cemetery
(where our servicemen rest )
@@anatitan5546 What did they do to you and you served how? and why are you texting like it's some kind of super spy message?
There has to come a point where things are given up and recycled. Its natures way. Holding on the century old graves and cemeteries serves no purpose. People can't seem to accept the impermanence of us all and the fact we will all turn to dust eventually.
I shot some photos at a local cemetery when I was in high school for photography class, I found a corner with a huge pile of broken and stacked headstones. After looking at the dates I realized they had targeted families that no longer exist and basically resell they’re grave plots and just toss the tombstones with no care. It’s so fucked up, I knew then there really is no resting in peace forever because it’s a cycle that will continue until the end of time. I feel like most people have little to no empathy for those who lived 100 years ago, and it’s something that truly makes me sad deep in my heart.
so just what do you expect them to do with a headstone ? no family members alive etc..even folks buried in a steel casket only last average 30/50 yrs
I’ve seen similar things, but it’s usually because the markers can’t be read or are broken, they just remove them at some point because they’re unsightly and the fact is, nobody cares enough to do something about it. It costs money, and these cemeteries already don’t really make much profit to begin with. Your best bet for peace in the grave is to be buried on church property. Although I can’t say for certain plots are resold. I wouldn’t be surprised at all in some places, but I’ve never seen it.
It's sad, but not uncommon. Around the world, cemeteries are rented plots, after X amount of years, and the bodies are decomposed, bones are given to the family, and the plot is made ready for the next decedent. That explanation is the short-story version.
The only way to be undisturbed forever, is obviously a lot of money, but remember, King Tutankhamun had money too.
Honestly, with the raising of the Monitor Turret, in the good ole US of A, that set a precedent, so I think after the same amount of time as the Turret, the Arizona is next because she's leaking oil.
I was deadset against the raising of the Turret and I'm even more so against the Arizona, they're Wargraves, but I'm one person, so what I think and say is immaterial, not jaded, it's facts.
@@chincemagnet or be buried on family land lots of rural Graves left alone, my family has a small cemetery next to an old church, at some point they need to expand it as it is small and my grandparents let many non family be buried there, probably where I will end up planted
@@johnjerman3421 I expect them to treat the gravestone and gravesite with RESPECT, for all eternity, as they are legally required to do. That is what I, and everyone else expects them to do!
So many families paid what money they had to buy there loved ones a rememberence stone!! And that’s what has become of them?? Crazy to know what our future holds!!
Only when you are dumb enough to let your fam and yourself be buried on a riverbank in a floodzone like this one was...
It begs the question; Where are the remains of those people whos headstones were discarded?
Bulldozed into the dirt.
@@BLAXMAJIK You didn't watch the whole video did you.
@@terrynixon2758 I commented before watching the whole video. That was foolish on my part. However, I hardly believe they know where all those people are buried exactly in the new resting place, given some of the new markers were essentially on top each other. Also, Why would they go through the trouble of making new headstones, when they could've just moved the remains and original headstone to new location?
Wow….. I would like to know, if I have a “monument” carved and placed at the grave of a loved one - it would be left there, undisturbed, regardless of time.
I don’t know. This is just a really sad thing, I mean some of those stones from the 1800’s and early 1900’s would have definitely been something not all people could afford back then, all hand carved and erected, probably a couple months or more to create.
The whole “DUMPING” of these headstones just seems to be an act of blasphemy ….. Someone went straight to hell over it and they DESERVE everything hell has to offer an empty soul .
Exactly
This happens all the time. I worked with Archaeologists at The Smithsonian who removed graves so the ground could be built upon. It also happened to my Great Grandfather's grave and monument in Oella, MD. They don't even notify the living relatives. Money always wins.
Delta Colorado is a huge native American grave yard,my friend quit his night time stocking job at Safeway, because Indians would appear in the isles and ask why he was standing on there grave!!??
The smithsonian is a criminal organization. They work on destroying certain history, what they don’t like.
I was helping a friend of mine remodel an historic house in California and we found headstones from an antique graveyard that were used to prop up the foundation on the house. It makes you wonder what happened to the bodies.
Can't find my great grandparents Graves, 1968 they and most of the cemetery they were buried in were disinterred for a house. A single house.... my grandpa said they were mummified...
This is one of the reasons I will be cremated and ashes scattered.
My Mother went to Temple on scholarship right out of high school. She was born in 1920 so I guess she started college around 1937. I remember she told me she would walk past a graveyard at night near campus. She continued her education and earned two Bachelor’s degrees as well as her Master’s. I am so glad she wasn’t there when this happened. SHAME on Temple University for their part in this horrible debacle and the total disrespect shown for the remains of the dead.
What a tragedy to just throw away the memory of the lives of these people and the beauty of those grave stones. All for a football field.
Ball fields and golf courses are wasteful uses of land, to add insult to injury. Not to mention the massive amounts of chemicals dumped on them to preserve the look.
Bet you were very proud of your mom
"She was born in 1920 so I guess she started college around 1937". At 17.🤣
In the US, academia is big bucks. $1.6 trillion, student debt.🤣
One more reason to dislike football.
To my way of thinking, the older the headstone, the richer the history. These beautiful, old headstones provide to us a historical perspective....we could learn so much from those old monuments!
And, I think the bodies should be left alone....these historic graveyards are majestic, peaceful due to the nature of a cemetery, and if maintained, they are like lovely parks, and can be used as pretty parks that still respect the dead.
It's appalling to me that Temple U did this, and San Fran, and other cities that deem it ok to rip up history, toss that history on a riverbank, cover up old graves with cement, and carry on. It's despicable.
People in the 1800s had picnics in cemeteries b4 there were city parks cuz the grass was so nice. I know there r still graves 6ft under that foot ball field their headstones were just removed. Some of the headstones r so old no1 alive knows who they r anymore. Imagine I burned my mother in her final resting place then 30 40 years later I get a call saying u need 2 move yr mothers 🪦& ⚰ the university wants the land 4 a foot ball field. What if I couldn't aford it then what. They tossed my mother's $2000
🪦 over a cliff & people play foot ball over her grave. I can't believe the community allowed the 2 happen.
"Richer the history" ???
How "rich" is that in dollars & cents because that's how human worth is valued in our society. In Capitalist America, if it doesn't increase the "bottom line", then it isn't Worth A DAMN !!!
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What a disgrace! I'm so sorry this happened to your mother's grave and tombstone. I think graveyards/cemeteries should be protected, sacred places, like a highly prized park, where families can go and picnic, or just sit together in a peaceful, beautiful park....old gravestones are truly majestic and carry history that is educational for everyone.
This is a big disgrace what you described about your mother's site.
Things like this, like abortion, should NEVER happen.
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This is one of the saddest things I have ever heard of and I sure wouldn't want to go to Temple University. Nothing like preserving history
Agreed I am a Fletcher also btw hello. I'm in baltimore Maryland. My Father is Terry Fletcher and grandfather Sterling Fletcher.
Temple is a cesspit of marxist subversives anyway.
i would love to go there, im always cold i freeze when its 80, my point is i built alot of fires when im out and about.
Temple the school who gave Cosby his "honorary" doctorates
This happened literally a 3 minute walk from my home. The gravestones were removed, smashed and dumped at the side of the former small chapel cemetery to make room for a . . . car park. It turned out in the end that there were no living descendants of the buried as the cemetery was very old (pre-1900) and they were mostly mine workers and farm workers and their relatives. I guess that doesn't make it ok, but it still seems disrespectful.
Many thanks Chris for some great content, take care and regards from UK.
It's not just disrespectful. It's a crime against humanity.
I would counter your statement....there is ALWAYS decedents of dead in a cemetery. Even 1721 to 1792 tombstones have had children and blood relatives living today. Whether those decedents care or not might be the point. I would care...to have my great-great-great-great grandfather remain untouched. That's only 4 to 5 greats to get back to the early 1800's..over 200 years.
Cant believe that those graves didn't have descendants. Thats a bunch of crap.
How can there be no living descendants?
This a very strong argument against nuclear power. People are temporarily limited. They cannot be trusted to maintain anything for any serious length of time, certainly not the time of a half life for a lot of the radioactive elements from nuclear power generation.
Check out what happened in Louisville, Kentucky. There is a documentary about this. In Tennessee, all the Indian burial mounds have been pretty much razed or become state property and built upon, including the Tennessee state capitol building.
In San Francisco, they moved a lot of the original cemeteries to Colma when the city expanded westward. However, with one, they apparently moved the stones but not the bodies. This was discovered when during expansion of a museum that was built on top of them. When the museum started construction on a new wing, they thought it was only a couple overlooked bodies. An archeologist friend of mine was called in, and he said it was a "worst case scenario." I asked what he meant. He said his team did a thorough survey, and the developers didn't move ANY bodies, only the stones. Apparently, the museum itself was on top of the bodies of many of the founders of San Francisco. Probably a good thing it wasn't houses. It was definitely like something out of the Poltergist film, though minus angry ghosts.
Just so sad. Historic cemeteries and someone can just get rid of it? Greed is evil
This make me sick known they do this.
omg this is so sad :(
When did this happen-the discovery of buriels but headstones moved? I've lived in San Francisco 46 years and I don't recall it.
Wow, I never knew about that
A book published by Arcadia, "Philadelphia Graveyards and Cemeteries" tells the fate of many Philadelphia Cemeteries. I read somewhere a ditch was dug near a North Philadelphia mall and bodies were dumped. I don't recall if it was Monument or not. Some of my great great grandparent's children were buried in Lafayette Cemetery which is no more.
@animalover64 Thanks. I'll add this information to my book.
I have a sneaking suspicion about Benjamin Rush State Park...
@@RobinsVoyage is that the old bird sanctuary near the old navy housing ? Heard stories about it.
@animalover64 that is so sad.
Who got the contract for removing and dumping the debris?
Using public land for disposal is a no-no.
I’ve seen older cemeteries that close, but they moved all the old tombstones to where the bodies were moved to and built a giant wall out of the old tombstones. This is the craziest thing. I saw another RUclips video were a mausoleum was abandoned in Rhode Island or somewhere , the bodies went unclaimed and were cremated. Imagine how much those families paid to keep their loved ones remains in a mausoleum only for them to end up cremated. Huge waste of money.
A y burial is a huge waste of money.
Life is a tottal waist of good money ..right ?
@C McB My exact thoughts...what a waste of valuable building materials! Certainly those souls left behind in the cemetery could have been honored in some way other than having their headstones illegally dumped like trash!
The cemetery "removal" may have been a criminal act. I had a story like this when I was a reporter in Port Charlotte, Florida about 30 years ago. A bunch of tombstones had been dumped over the bank of the Peace River. The Charlotte County Sheriff's Department quickly tracked them (running the names on the graves through the state's Bureau of Vital Statistics) and found where they were supposed to be and -- if I remember right -- a land developer got into a lot of hot water over that. It sounds like you should bring in some local Phila. news channels and let them get the story going. Temple will be forced to face the music on this. The "blame game" is going to be fun, once the TV news and Philadelphia Inquirer get going on this. Might not be too hard to locate some of these people's descendants and get their views about it.
this happened in the 50s. the people who did this already got away with it
I agree with you 100 percent!
@@Blox117 Not true. Everybody who ever "got away with" anything in the history of getting away with things that are wrong, but who got caught later...didn't permanently get away with it. And Temple University should not be allowed to get away with this either.
@@Blox117 "Time of Discovery," my friend. Let's say that one of the descendants of people could have been contacted -- but wasn't -- and now finds their ancestor's tombstone laying on the riverbank. This could very well open up an inquiry into just how much effort was made in trying to locate relatives and descendants.
I moved down to Fort Myers 31 years ago from the Midwest, do you know if the stones are still at the area along Peace River or did they remove them?
If you don't know of them being removed can you give me coordinates on the location?
I dont see how anyone can think that this is ok.
The family's picked the plot of land for their loved ones, they then picked a headstone, and carefully chose what was to be on it.
That land is owned by the dead.
I would be furious if this happened to one of my family members.
this is sad..where I come from, a cemetery is sacred ground, and never moved..thanks as always for researching as much as possible to give an informed, informed,intelligent video..
I agree, me too!
It is sacred ground until the powers to be want it. Unfortunately
So sad for the families that there loved were buried in that cemetery. Hope there souls are at peace.
Their spirits and souls are not with the bodies.
You are doing fabulous. Your videos are not only great to watch but more importantly so informative. Thank you
What's really sad is a lot of older tombstones will tell a story about the person buried. They should have thought of a way to preserve them.
As a culture, we don’t respect ourselves and we certainly don’t respect the past. The past is just another commodity to be rewritten, destroyed, repurposed and sold.
That’s just terrible. Them stones need to be reclaimed and replaced. Ty so much for bringing this to light. Love you’re content. ❤️
I remember playing under the Betsy Ross Bridge as a kid and seeing them. Always wondered the story behind them, thanks for covering it. 👍
Good find. I've lived In Philly my whole life. I live about 3 miles from there and never knew about this. It's sad Temple dealt with it the way they did. By the way the Betsy Ross bridge was finished in 1976. My Father and some other members of my family are buried at Lawnview cemetery about 100 yards from the mass grave and I wondered why it was an empty field there. Now I Know it's a mass grave. I watch you're channel and you always find interesting stuff. Be safe.
actually built from 1969 to 1974, and opened in April 1976
Tragic
I've had a bit of time to consider this and it must happen regularly. There is an old Music Hall song " They're Moving Father's Grave To Build A Sewer. " So it happened over a hundred years ago.
I’m so glad I found this channel. I love how he goes and tells about odd places that nobody else would normally go or tell about it 👌🏽
I have been shocked by that same thing piled up in a cemetery wall corner in So. Illinois and these were all busted up and made of marble. It's a weird feeling to discover.
Can you give me some more info? Lived in St. Clair Co. in soutwest Illinois my entire life.
I have found some dumped also. They looked as though they were rejects. Some were not finished and some had obvious mistakes. Who knows maybe dates were wrong.
@@j-rocd9507 On Moccasin Road near Effingham Lake Sara. I recall 2 cemeteries about in the middle of the stretch. They are in one of those.
Its horrible
Thank you for filming.
That said, this is really disrespectful to the dead. Whomever was hired to throw their tombstones like it's a bunch of rocks.
If you're ever in the Santa Barbara area, you'll find something similar, though more nefarious... a city that wanted the land for a dog park, so they removed the headstones (used them as fill in a golf course) and left the bodies behind. Some headstones have been re-added recently after some outrage, but it's a dog park with burials. (Vid on my channel) Great stuff as always!
Maybe that's why in the old days we local surfers on the south coast always referred SB as the Santa Barbarians, seems from about Santa Monica north past Frisco the people become very very special, like legends in their own minds and they sure act genetically superior towards the rest of humanity. They sure love their financial segregation, over priced real estate, exclusive dog parks with dog shit bags provided. I used to live on my sailboat in Santa Barbara harbor many many decades ago..Then soon after Montecito and Santa Barbara became the place for hollywood hideouts , Fess Parker/ aka Daniel Boone bought up some pristine coastline and degraded it with development, then the Oprah generation occupied & infested the inland coastal area. then the vinyards, I imagine now it's Kardashian Kountry. I was happy i could just sail away back in 1970. I left the California coast in 1971 when the carefree hippies were still actively trashing it. & never looked back. Fast forward 50 some years & now every major city from San Diego to San Fransisco to Portland & Seattle are basically overpriced ghettos occupied by the homeless who have now occupied these cities in uncontrollable numbers. I think its a form of social justice served for those the real estate exploiters and developers who truly deserve all the major downgrades to their property investments. You would think as a solution these wealthy people would set aside a few acres here and there and make a campground with proper sanitation facilities to help the people. but no they would rather invest in dog parks and bitch about people sleeping on their sidewalks in front of their McMansions and businesses, Greed know no limits.
Ventura California just south of Santa Barbara did the same thing.
Bodies left stones dumped and turn up in the rivers .
It is now a park!
@@westho7314 Lived there all my life, you pretty much nailed it. Awesome you had a boat out there, I used to see a few sailboats anchored all the time in Summerland. Did harbor patrol ever hassle you on your boat? It’s become a police state out here and everywhere nowadays.
Not that unusual. Sydney (Australia) has a few memorial parks, they look like any other city/council park but are former private cemetaries they went broke and fell in to disreapair so at some point the local goverments removed the stones and landcaped them in to open green spaces. Cemetaries once occupied the land Central and Town Hall railway stations are now built on, graves are unconvered during building work every few years.
So now they have dogs shitting on their graves? What an insult!
Wow! I’m absolutely shocked that they did this, especially at that time in history when people seemed to revere memorializing their loved ones. I worked in funeral and cemetery business and I always felt such respect for the deceased and their families. We never walked across the areas where the caskets were buried. It’s very disturbing to me and if I saw my parents names on their headstone just laying on a rivers edge I’d be heartbroken and very angry. At least they could’ve stacked them face down as a retaining wall and then build a beautiful memorial place on top of the hill with a bronze plaque listing the names dates and other personal sentiments that had been etched into each headstone that was knowingly or unknowingly “donated” to this river bank. Still disturbing. Thank you for sharing such an interesting topic. New subscriber here.
They use them for a barrier. Usually it’s after the tomb stone has been replaced.
It’s really not that uncommon. I worked at Bonaventure Cemetery in Savannah and it does the same thing. It’s a barrier to help protect the cemetery from hurricanes.
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if you look on temple university on the historic aerials site, you can see the graveyard pretty much where the sports fields are now. one image in 1950 the grave yard was there. the next image is 1965 and it was gone.
The grave yard was razed in 1953.
Yes I looked up some aerial photos. It was a sizable cemetery
who believes they dug them up? no one.
Sports and parking does not justify removal of a cemetery , IMHO
@@gbaker9295 all about the benjamins. c'mom you know that!
In my local cemetery... lost of pile of tombstones that are in a forest hiding... they actually reused the grave and the cemetery actually never gets bigger... don't forget that if you're buried in a crowded cemetery... it's never longer than 10 years
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I live in NJ only some 20 odd miles north of here and never knew this. A moral disgrace, not placing the original marker with the body for the family of the deceased labored long & hard to provide a fitting stone for their loved one. But that is progress and politics in the big city when the dead can't defend themselves.
Back in the late 1990's, my USCG River Tender buoy boat would often pull into a very small settlement in Illinois called Mosiers Landing; pretty much in the vicinity of Mozier Landing Light at Upper Mississippi River mile marker 260.2; this after a long day on the river working the buoys as far south as St Louis, MO, to our homeport in Keokuk, Iowa to the north. This was our "south river run", we had a similar run that ran north from our homeport up to Clinton, IA. Anyhow, not much was going on in Mosiers for the crew to get changed out and go to; but I recall one time just walking the river bank around the light when I came across a pile of tombstones much like you did in Northeast Philly. I recall being shocked at finding these stones. At the time, the only thing I could come to a conclusion that seemed to make some kind of sense at all was the Great Mississippi River Flood of 1993 could have washed out a nearby cemetery; as that flood inundated the entirety of the Upper Miss, but especially in the south river run that we worked on during the time I was onboard that cutter. Near 30 years later and exhausting every google search I could think of, I have always come up empty. All I know, is that the stones were on the river bank near a river front house; possibly used as rip rap to support the land frontage near the house......
what ever you want to call it. it is wrong.
My old body shop in lodi north Jersey was back filled and built on the same thing
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Thats very interesting to know. I was born and raised in that area near the Betsy Ross bridge, and I worked down by the river in that area. Used to be AP GREEN Refractory brick company there. But when I worked there and inquired about the tombstones there I was told that when the bridge was built they removed a grave yard from Richmond st. for the bridge. I would like to know what the real truth is. That is not the only place along the Delaware River there are old tombstones discarded. I can give you details of where there are still bodies buried in fishtown under a playground.
I had a distant relative contact me from Chicago, we live in Albion ny.
He was working on a will of a relative that passed and found a fund that was paying a farmer near us to maintain a family cemetery on my grandfathers old farm that we didn’t know existed... so we went and found the cemetery all over grown between 2 corn fields next to the farmers house
It was crazy to seeing it some of the tombstones where in the trees 6 feet up in the trunks some where unreadable but most you could still read....lots of small children and a couple relatives they lived into 80s
The town came in and cleaned it up
My uncle made a sign for it
Beecher cemetery
I came across something like this on a beach in Rhode Island a few years ago.
After some research it turns out it was a dumping ground. It was a lot of scrap limestone and some finished tombstones, but mostly scrap of whoever made the stones back in the day.
This has to rank as one of the greatest examples of disrespecting the dead I've seen yet. So much for the dead resting in peace. Looks like the dead had no one to speak on their behalf
The dead don't care. They're in either Heaven or hell.
Agreed. Absolutely disgraceful & disgusting here.
@@julienielsen3746 so true, but I think how we treat the dead says a lot about hwe treat the living
Corruption of the city officials in conjunction with the University.
@@davedeiler2072 the living have rights criminals have rights murders have rights but the dead don't have any rights
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Wow! I'm in shock over this, that this really happened. Thank you for sharing this and taking the time and finding out all this information about this.
Good or bad, it is definitely an interesting story. Thank you for taking us along and sharing the history
Cant believe I just found this channel. This guy has interesting videos. Hopefully no one forgets about my body when I die
Wow.. a lot of pissed off unsettled souls..I can imagine that the energy is very strong
So, if what you are saying is true, then that means those ghosts must have waited around for hundreds of years, well past their whole physical body to turn into dirt, and the natural process of erosion caused their cemetary to erode from the bank of the waterway. Who should the ghosts be mad at? themselves. For choosing to be buried next to a river. Yeah, the more believable story is that nothing happens when you die. It all just ends. Movies over. Ghosts are just the human ego convincing itself that there is more to life than this. But no. You dont get to respawn. You just end. Live everyday like its your last. Because it might be.
TLDR: Ghosts are made up. Nothing happens when you die.Who makes up the rules for ghosts anyway? Somebody who is trying to sell you something thats who.
Good video, but Wow. That’s totally disgusting what they did. Just last night I watched a video of a fallen civil war soldier who was moved from where he was buried (where he died alone in battle). The care and respect for the dead soldier, and preservation of his headstone, etc. was unbelievable and powerful. Contrasted with the treatment of this mass of deceased humanity, I am shocked.
that's because americans love to glorify their war dead, even though no-one really cares, and the rest of the dead are to be callously forgotten, but all people fought life's battles and their memorial stones are there to prove it.
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Same thing happened in Fredericksburg, VA. Maury stadium between William st and Kenmoore ave was built on a graveyard. There is a plaque on the side of a building there that mentions it. Building used to be a school. I think it's apartments now.
This video was really great thanks for making it!!
On the banks of rivers in some of our oldest and largest cities you’ll find this. NYC it’s along the east river and there’s a couple of others.
I think it’s disrespectful that people paid for tombstone for their loved one and had it worded the way they wanted it, and somebody comes along and tosses that out and the loving words that they had on those gravestones are not on the new ones, now they’re just generic gravestones. Just very disrespectful.
And what gets me is those people lived only a hundred or so years before. Such a short period of time to go doing this. It's not like an ancient civilization or something.
Why don't they prosucute the university? That's desecrate of gravesites
I agree with you 100 percent!
That's so sad and it's bottom line desecration of a cemetery and it should have never been allowed to take place for any reason. It makes you wonder if it's happened to Civil War cemeteries.
There was a civil war graveyard in Houston that a hospital was co constructed over. They did not move the bodies.
It has happened in 2 different places that I know of here in Texas and someone bought the cemeteries and bulldozed the headstones into a river and new building was begun overtop the old graves. I know this because my relatives were buried in those 2 cemeteries. It’s a horrible shame, but it’s done a lot in our country. Just don’t fool yourselves in thinking that they dug up those old graves because they probably did not.
Wow its sad to see this type of thing happen to loved ones tombstones 😔 I have come across alot of old graveyards and cemeteries on my vlogs but never seen anything like this. I think the dead shouldn't have been disturbed and moved. I recently done a video on an old famine graveyard that was vandalised. Thanks for sharing mobile insinct 👍 at least you kept this story alive and maybe a family member of one of these tombstones might see this video.
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
that is my question where the bodies move at all.
Some where most likely replaced and the old ones where just thrown into the river.
@@georgestokes5116 Knowing 1950's politics, Temple probably paid off the city not to move the bodies. Someone with a ground scanner should check it out
@@sp-yj5wr sad thing i will go with that. thank you
Hey there Jay. This is unbelievable and disrespectful. Very sad. I hope they can rest in peace.🥀
Very sad! I was in a cemetery in Circleville, PA. The city pushed the gravestones to the creek edge. They couldn't get anyone to mow the lawn.
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How do "they" get away with it? This is sick! This should be exposed via 60 Minutes, 20/20 or Dateline.
I agree !
Lol!
I see nothing wrong with it. The dead don't care. The families are either gone or don't care, or had their family members buried somewhere else.
Haha, they will back it stupid!
I agree.
That's horrible!! This happened in Maryland. A few years ago tombstones we're found dumped in the Potomac River.
What a terrible decision it was and the worst of humanity and greed to dig up 28000 coffins to make a dog park! Only 300 official re burials! Most of their headstones said rest in peace! Fuck Temple!!! Using a persons gravestone as rip rap is disgusting! Period!!😡
I grew up in a town that had a revolutionary war battle, and as a kid I remember some concerned citizens making the effort to maintain the small stones and burial where many British soldiers were hastily buried on the side of road. Aka buried in the spot they died. It’s crazy how different places treat the dead and their history.
@@zyzor Go study what the Europeans did with their dead in WW1 and 2. HINT: not a damned thing! When they did it was because America shamed them by picking up our dead and building centerpieces for them. You can look it up here on you tube, there are several videos documenting this.
To this very day farmers will be plowing in fields and find dead solders remains because Europeans just give no shits.
Its important to remember we might have come out of Europe but we are not European anymore. Their culture as well as their ethics are pathetic and weak.
@@zyzor Go study the Lusitania and the British Admiralty and their complicity in leading the Lusitania into a swarm of Uboats killing hundreds of women and children just to draw America into the war to save their own ass.
They reburied them, as he said. They weren't just dumped. If no one is around who cares about the headstones anymore, then that's OK. It's just stone. It will wear down eventually.
Only the tombstones were dumped.
That is Terrible No care for Human Remains or The Monuments Pretty Sad
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This summer I looked to find my ancestors thumbstones , i discovered that everything older than 100 years old is not there anymore (there are still some ) in canada after 99 years they can remove the thumbstone if nobody pay the lot .
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
Crazy stuff. But that's what your world has come too. Thanks for sharing this Chris.
Ventura, California. A similar thing happened. There is a park call Cemetery Park, as the name implies, it was once a Cemetery. It belong to the catholic church. The old upright gave markers were removed and dump in a canyon. There are still Graves in what is now a city park. I walked through the park and saw a lot of grave markers that are flush with the ground.
Thank you for relaying this news. I'm saddened to hear this. I recognize that someone determined moving the old tombstones to the new location was too costly. But, I have my doubts that decision maker would feel the same if it included their ancestors. Beware the words, "Perpetual care." No one can guarantee that promise.
I used to set gravestones.
So many stories....
When I remember most is when I was learning how to do it correctly, right before the stone dropped and it's perfectly cut out and leveled hole, the man flicked his cigarette underneath it and the stone trapped at their forever.
I asked the man: " what if that person never smoked in their whole life and was proud of it and their family had died from lung cancer or something?"
He replied: " oh well they have now!".
That's a true story.
Working for Broward Monument was one of the most underpaying and shallow jobs that I ever walked into and tried to give the respect and life and all the people in many of the cemeteries knew that and respected me for who I was and how I handled it.
I was 160 something pounds and I would angle and balance and leverage 250 -pound double headstones off the ground and on my thighs and onto the flatbed truck. They were mostly granite and had rough edges and the smallest Stone weighed about 75 lb and anything more than the 250 we would use the Hoist. It would destroy my steel-toed boots and my socks and my clothes would get ripped for a measly$7.50 an hour back in 1996 and 1997. That's a good business and they always make money consistently and when I inquired about replenishing my necessary garments it was refused and I had to pay out of my own money and it was ridiculous.
It was a hard job.
That wasn't the extreme things that I would do labor wise with my body and I was twenty-three at the time and now I'm 48 and I would have did things differently and not have taken that job because of the physical strenuousness of it.
Almost five years ago I stopped eating meat and realize that I was eating over 200 calories of protein a day... about 130 more than I need or as directed by the standard* of Health.
I've never seen a dead body and I've saw a lots of sad people and lots of other crazy things over that year or so.
Cemeteries are great place to have a picnic because their landscape and their grounds are often manicured with good grass and trees and plants.
We weren't allowed to drive the truck onto some parts so I kept using the dolly pulling it with one hand and one leg was bigger than the other and I had cramps on the other side of my body.
Crazy times.
Wow thanks for all that very very interesting.
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This was done in San Francisco as well. Several cemeteries had their bodies removed and transferred to Colma CA. Hundreds of tombstones from graves that were not claimed were dumped into the ocean at Lands End. Some tombstones were used to build walls in parks around the city.
It isn't "crazy" it's disgusting. The blatant, callous, heartless removal of this cemetery and subsequent lack of respect is unbelievable. Why would the headstones be taken with the body and replaced? And yes, it was "economical" for them...heaven forbid they actually put them where they belonged....but that would of cost a lot more now wouldn't it.
all but 300 were placed in a mass grave with a memorial headstone the 300 were the ones with a family that cared
People purchased those plots and head stones for loved ones. How could the dam cemetery sell the graveyard!
You know they didn’t remove all of those bodies, they need to be held accountable for their actions
Universities are incredibly greedy institutions with enormous grants and subsidies behind them. They always get their way.
nah no one cares
@@VICSWEB1 just because you don’t care, it doesn’t mean no one else does.
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sacrilegious
Wow……this was eye opening. Knowing folks paid for monuments to their loved ones thinking they were for all time. I bet some of these families paid a lot for some of those head stones. No automation in making those head stones. All hand quarried and hand crafted for families that cared to provide a monument to a loved ones existence. Crazy to see this.
That's just crazy! Out here in N.M. we had a small cemetery from the 1880's that had to be relocated & all the markers & monuments & headstones were moved to another cemetery and placed with the appropriate body & then re buried in a similar lay out of the original cemetery. The old 7 rivers cemetery was moved, to accommodate the then new Brantly lake, but they didn't just discard the headstones; I guess the laws regarding old cemetery & ancient remains is different because of the historical significance that is found throughout N.M. it just seems disrespectful to move a grave & not take the original marker with the individual remains. The old 7 rivers cemetery had around 100 graves,Graves, it was not the large scale operation that a 28000 site would require; but it just seems wrong to me,knowing that Graves were disrupted in such a way; no dignity or reverence for the dead; & that seems to be the way things are done in our world today,no respect,no honor,no Valor, no dignity & no reverence!
I’m not sure how to feel about this. I noticed at least one headstone in the mass burial had Civil War Veteran on it. I have ancestors from the Revolutionary times buried out in the Philadelphia area. I wonder if they’ve been relocated.
well you might want to check that out.
Philadelphia needs to compensate the families of the deceased and make a public apology. This is disgusting behavior
When Lake Lanier in Georgia was built in the 1950s, the lake merely covered over the cemeteries. Divers can still see the cemeteries today. Folklore states that is why this lake has more drownings per year than any other lake in America, even Lake Michigan.
Can you go swimming at night and document your findings. Better live stream just in case
The Discovery Channel did a Halloween special on Lake Lanier calling it the haunted lake. Once a truck full of live chickens fell into the lake. People there said giant catfish were eating the chickens whole--fish about 48 inches long..
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On Atlanta this year they have an episode about spooky Lake Lanier
Hey if this video was made recent and you're still in the Phili area, there is literally a huge abandoned power plant called the Richmond Power Plant right next to where you were, you should go check it out!
In 1991 I watched that happen to a small town cemetery next to Boeing's main plant in WA. About 150 graves purged for a police department (remodeled the funeral home), then just a couple of years later, razed for a pricy housing development. Relocations were at family cost, only a few exhumed and moved. Some stones returned, others crushed for road fill. I saved/stole a very simple headstone from the pile and relocated "him" (1921) to another quite rural cemetery. RIP forever immigrant man.
I love cemeteries. This is one step beyond. Just think of all the people who made a contribution to this country whose beautiful headstones were tossed aside.
Truly awful more and more reason to be cremated but this is just an awful situation truly sad
My husband has just begun the process of gravestone purchase to mark his parents grave. Also in the double plot are his grandparents in caskets, and his aunt and uncle’s cremains in wooden boxes. These already have markers. The cemetery is huge and lies on a hill overlooking the coastal mountains and the river. PRIME REAL ESTATE!
It sickens me that what Temple U. did could also happen here in BC🇨🇦. Thank you for this enlightening video. 😢
Thanks for sharing. So sad. Stay safe Chris and Jay love both the channels.
There’s no telling how many cemeteries across America were never properly relocated and now the bodies are under parking lots and buildings.
And under reservoirs after dams were built.
@@cgschow1971 no doubt
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Land erosion is a big thing here on Lake Michigan. They don’t just throw the concrete or stones down. They don’t bury either. The blocks of concrete or and stones are laid out to build a barrier between the water and land to protect the land. That looks like a trash dump. That isn’t going to prevent anything. The multiple names on the markers was a common practice back then too. Who knows.
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
sacrilegious
actually, this happened 66 yrs ago - the stones were bought & used as rip-rap & you sure have not watched as they install rip-rap - because it is not a controlled laying out of stones/boulders they are dumped & then moved by bulldozers as little as possible I've seen them use huge bucket cranes to unload Barges of rip-rap into areas around bridges & they sure can't see where the stones lay underwater so its not always as controlled as you think & if you don't think they also are buried near river banks you sure don't understand how erosion works in and around a river that Floods
This is crazy! A sports reporter I used to work with graduated from Temple. I wonder if he even knows about the cemetary.
There should be a federal law that states that once a cemetery always a cemetery. No bodies should EVER be removed for any reason at anytime.
That's a really disappointing situation. In my opinion, those headstones should have been smashed to rip rap sized stones if they were going to do that with them. Peoples loved ones and family names should not be strewn about the river banks. Yes they are gone and those are just stones now. But we bury loved ones and have rituals to respect our fallen. I could go on, but I won't....Temple University was founded by a religious leader. Hypocrisy knows no ceiling, it would seem that all are capable of it.
in New Jersey they paved 287 in Newark right over miles and miles of cemetery. they didn't find out until years later when one person went to visit their father or grandfather's grave. they just paved over everything didn't care they were supposed to dig up and remove and rebury everybody they were paid for
This makes me so angry that they would do this how dare them like just because someone’s dead doesn’t give you the right to rip up the headstone and build new property on it what the Hells wrong with people
i know, and it makes me wonder if any of them thought how they themselves would like it if they were dug up, dumped in a mass grave, and had their headstone dumped unceremoniously by a river.
Cemeteries are only useful when there are people who do the upkeep on them like living families or caretakers.. They become useless once there are no families in those cemeteries visits them and becomes just becomes piece of land that just drains money for the government.. That is just the facts.. 200 years from now once all your decendants have already have lives of their own and your living relatives are long gone as well.. That reality will just be ever more present.. And everyone just embrace that.
lol most of the earth is covered by the dead - gee-whiz try thinking once in a while
So very sad. Please keep us posted as to what has happened to those bodies.
Its very sad .... but some how it makes sense. This was done in a town near us, they also moved bodies and made a memorial garden with seating. The rest of land went for much need new home and shops.
This shocked me to see this and to think that families were notified about their loved ones but not many even bothered to have them removed and placed in another burial ground. There seems no respect for these old tombstones which depict a story that goes with all the buried people there. The cost of having these stones made is very costly and to see them just dumped down at the river appalls me.
Yeah, I think out of 20 some thousand bodies only around 8 thousand was claimed
actually they were bought & then used as rip-rap this video omitted many a fact
I agree with you 100 percent.
@@johnjerman3421 Stolen, then sold by the thieves for riprap.
I've always wondered what happens when there's no one left to remember you, long after your death. What happens to your gravestone, the remains of your body or casket (if there are any). Very interesting!
In queens new YORK there are approximately 2.5 million people. And in the cemeteries there , twice as many buried.
@@robertnegron9706 so they just bury them on top of each other?
I have to spend about $10,000 for just a plot of ground. The head stone is another $7,000. Add in the funeral costs and we are over $25,000. TOTAL SCAM!
@@VictorianMaid99 That's why I plan on getting cremated.
I've always wondered the same thing myself. When I go to the cemetery and I see these really old dates on tombstones, I think to myself, here lies a beloved person remembered no longer. The family goes through all these changes and expense so they can pay their respect, but once they in turn are gone, anx as time marches on, who is left to remember them and eventually you. It's sad. And it will happen to us all in time. I want to be cremated. No fuss, no muss.
In Newport TN there's also tombstone alongside the river
I imagine that driver of the chevy impala late at night, high speed driving across the bridge, sees a woman standing in front of him, veers off the edge... You have to admit though it would make a great ghost story for cars to be inexplicably pulled off the bridge and wrecked into the area where all those tombstones were dumped.
i was thinking that was maybe a mid-late 60's Chevy Impala by what's left of the grill, the car was well past its expiration date way before these 2 guys were even born. Old car boneyards are like Cemeteries but seems modern people have more passion & greed for real estate and a strange respect for their beloved investments in cars than concern for other people. When i went back east i felt small and worthless, people seem so hard headed & opinionated & always in a hurry.
Assuming it didn’t crash off the bridge the main reason a big 4000lb car like that would be tipped over would be to steal parts from underneath such as the axles, maybe the gearbox. I’d expect if it genuinely had crashed there rather than be driven and dumped then the police would have removed it long ago.
@@CycolacFan That's a reasonable assumption. I can tell you from experience that pulling the rear axle out from under a car takes removing 10 bolts/nuts and a couple of people to pull it off to the side. It is not hard to do on tree stumps, blocks, etc. The trans is more difficult but only because of the shifter linkage is hard to get your hand in there to disconnect. Re: Police. They have better things to do. There is more than a thousand unrecovered vehicles in Houston bayous that police believe to be there, but are too costly to recover.
@@snake_eyes_garage so if it had crashed and there were one or more bodies inside the police would remove the remains but just leave the car where it landed…?
@CycolacFan no they would have the vehicle also hauled to a junk yard but if no bodies are inside then it's not worth the time and money dragging it out and disposing of it
Apart from all the moral outrage already expressed by so many posters, I find it absolutely astonishing that a riverbank was used as a dumping ground.