the new Sea Q homage from Seestern is more than just a new movement. an upgrade worthy of the $50 price increase. Get the watch here: s.click.aliexp...
I paid ~US$200 for the S435 in Stainless Steel w/bracelet, with the blue face/blue bezel and SeaGull 2130 movement. It arrived today and I sized it for my 8in wrist (required the removal of 1 link). The watch arrived...perfect in every respect with zero quality issues. Bezel alignment, applied indices alignment, bezel action, movement accuracy...this watch really impresses. Highly recommend the S435.
The shorter rehaut is such an underrated benefit on the new version. I have an sn021 with the shorter rehaut and it feels so much more premium. Something that is tough to notice on video but on wrist it is very noticeable and appreciated.
@@tendousj which watches actually have lumed date wheels though? I've had all different price point watches including luxury and none have had liked date wheels.
Got a black s435 after reading your comments on Reddit. Love this model. It is my daily black diver now, even over my proxima px1697 in black. The new case and crystal are beautiful and the high beat movement is a nice upgrade. Nice review as always
The ETA 2824 and the various clones out there cannot be over-wound as the mainspring doesn't hook to the drum of the barrel. I would guess you had a movement in the past that had some other issues rather than an over-wind. Great review of the revamped Sea-Q homage! I may have to add that to my collection 🤔👍
@@Yucel99 My first sentence was neither positive nor negative just a statement about modern mainsprings and that they slip inside the barrel which prevents overwind which can occur in manual wind movements. Marshall mentioned at the beginning he'd experienced "overwind" in this movement before.
I think he's talking about the brass ratchet wheels found in 2824 based movements (even SW-200-1 which was supposed to fix it). Those break easily if you handwind often. Check out the video from Grimwood Watch Modding about the issue.
@@tomcruz3774 got it, yes if the reversers are sticking and you have to resort to hand winding the ratchet wheel could shear some teeth. It is interesting that when servicing the ETA2824 that ETA recommends replacing the reversers and oscillating-weight bearing. These parts can be cleaned and lubricated but not to factory spec.
To me he refers to the issue of the rotor spinning when winding a 2824, thus putting mechanical stress. A known issue. It can happen when manually winding a 2824 too often or just because of age, as I had this issue with a Squale, when they were still using old stocks despite almost never winding it. Or maybe it was used, who knows. So it's indeed not ideal to unintentionnaly wind it every time you set the time.
I like the new update except for the crown. An onion crown is more at home on an aviation or dress watch than a diver. Although I can see why they went with this style because the taper allows a bigger grip on a thinner case.
Thanks for the great comparison. I still plan on picking up a S434 in the future. It’s literally one of the best value dive watches on sale IMO. Thanks!
I prefer this new one too 😍 5:15 "you could break the movement" : you can't because this is an automatic so there is no "stop", no overwinding possible. These watches have an infinitely-slipping mainspring 😉
@@gilbertoflores7397 yes but the question is can you damage it on an automatic movement 🤔 I just did like 80 turns by hand on my watch with a Seiko NH35 and there is absolutely no resistance. Maybe it is only the case with very few automatic movements ?
@@GalorOffroad you're definitely going to mess up that moment, after about 20 turns there is a bit of resistance telling you to stop, you can keep winding, but you're going to ruin it's long term usage doing stuff like that. Look up any watchmakers/seller explained the ins and outs of automatic movements. I can't remember the channel but it was a really old guy who loved watches, explained never to overwind by hand, less than 20 turn once a month for all your watches you don't wear. Will keep it running smoothly for a long time. Letting them sit longer can dry up the oils. I think Marc has a watch and learn on it too.
I think he's talking about the brass ratchet wheels found in 2824 based movements (even SW-200-1 which was supposed to fix it). Those break easily if you handwind often. Check out the video from Grimwood Watch Modding about the issue.
@@gilbertoflores7397 guys, here in the video we are only speaking about 1 or 2 turns when screwing the crown back on the case ^^ My test was only a test, I never do that 😉 There was no resistance at all.
Great review as always! Any chance you're looking at reviewing the Cronos 39mm flieger? Particularly one in black as there doesn't seem to be any reviews on youtube about it.
Tempting...on the bracelet. It was in my cart for 11.11 and I just couldn't pull the trigger. I e had similar watches in the past and they just don't jell with me for some reason...but it's still in my cart so you never know.
It's a great looking watch in either version. I prefer the thinner case and rehaut of the new version but the crystal and mark 2 crown from the original version so not sure i'd want to pay the price difference
Great watch. I have the blue on a tapered mesh bracelet from strapcode and it is basically my daily driver. Seestern please provide half links on bracelets!
@@EscapeWheel Yes, unfortunately. The clasp doesn’t matter, it’s still micro adjustments that need to get the perfect fit for the on-the-fly to matter.I told Sugess directly but I think they need to keep hearing it, I don’t think they have half links for the new S446.
That's a sweet looking watch. What's up with the crown? Is it the crown that has the issue, or is the stem too long or short. There was a San Martin with a manual wind ST1901 that had that same issue with the crown. Since the SM was a manual wind, the crown could break the main spring.
It's not uncommon to find crowns that do this. It's not a huge deal, really...you won't ever overwind and break this watch like the manual ST19. It just would have been nice to carry-over that spring loaded crown, especially considering the movement.
thanks for the review! is there a reason why you avoided mentioning the obvious misalignment of the date wheel on the S435, which every S435 suffers from? I feel like that's pretty significant. otherwise it's a fantastic watch.
I believe that it's a problem with almost every watch with the ST2130 in it. However, I'm not sure whether it's the case with every copy of this movement.
@@dpmjole Have you seen other watches with this movement? It's a common problem with the ST2130 that the date wheel is not rotating correctly. Sometimes using date quick setting helps it to return to the center of the aperture (until it's off center again). You might have been lucky and received a watch with a good ST2130. I have compiled a small playlist for you where this problem can be seen (to a different extent): ruclips.net/video/mK-p_u27JNA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/vHiI5Vd4rRw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/d439xjz_lsM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/3F2p0sEx77U/видео.html ruclips.net/video/a0tRRYfWHNo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/yExbR6Hl8gI/видео.html
Do like the thinner case very much, but prefer the V2 crown and two tone dial. Steve, at ca. 3:47 the case between the lugs looks very scratched. Is this your doing when changing straps or was it like that at reception? Been eyeing it since launch of the 434. Would prefer this and other Ali brands using Miyota 9000 series more though. Regards
I prefer the S435 personally, but it wears smaller since since the sapphire is domed and not as flat as the S434. Dials seems smaller with the domed crystal. Still, I keep both my blue/gilt S434 and my blue S435!
What about fixing 10 - 2 line? On most of scenes "2"-digit is shamefully covered by minute hand. I think they printed so many defect dials so they will put them in some count of new "modifications" - only for sell it somehow
@@Stanjara If You have eyes - You can see it I mean 10-2-line is not parallel of 8-4-line I have blue-gold version of s434. It's obvious, especially at night
Damn, yet another QC issue for Seestern. Looking online every image of the 434/435 has the same issue, the 2 is not parallel with the 10. It’s slightly higher. Also the 1 in the 12 is slightly higher than the 2. I’m really considering this watch, but all the QC issues really turn me off. Datewheel misalignment seems very common, I’ve seen bezel misalignment too. Not OK for a $200+ watch imo, my $140 Baltany is literally perfect.
You cannot overwind an automatic movement, the main spring slips along the barrel walls to prevent damage from automatic winding. You are handwinding both watches when screwing in the crown, it's simply less noticeable with the NH35. I can feel/hear the movement winding when screwing in the crown also in my watches with Sellita SW200-2, Orient F6922 and Miyota 8204. How is the alignment of the digits of the "12"? Are they perfectly lined up or is the "1” slightly higher?
i have a green S435 and is a beautiful watch!! one objection, the date is completely useless!! the dates are ridiculously thin and barely visible, you literally need to raise your hand and make an effort to be able to read the date......i mean WTF Seestern!?
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I paid ~US$200 for the S435 in Stainless Steel w/bracelet, with the blue face/blue bezel and SeaGull 2130 movement. It arrived today and I sized it for my 8in wrist (required the removal of 1 link). The watch arrived...perfect in every respect with zero quality issues. Bezel alignment, applied indices alignment, bezel action, movement accuracy...this watch really impresses. Highly recommend the S435.
кривые цифры 2 и 10 не смущают?
@@TheMarkusrus With mine, the indices are properly aligned.
This version looks a significant improvement, thanks for showing us the differences 👍
Love the way they slimmed this down.
Same here...much nicer
The shorter rehaut is such an underrated benefit on the new version. I have an sn021 with the shorter rehaut and it feels so much more premium. Something that is tough to notice on video but on wrist it is very noticeable and appreciated.
100%. Just LOOKS so much nicer
@@EscapeWheel I appreciate how you point that out in your reviews when it is noticeable. Makes it feel like a luxury watch.
Date wheel still not lumed
@@tendousj which watches actually have lumed date wheels though? I've had all different price point watches including luxury and none have had liked date wheels.
@@ryan850r seestern 62mas and sub300t. Maybe others
Seestern also did the shorter rehaut on their submariner homage, the only homage brand to do that. And it too looks fantastic!
Thanks for the review. I'm OK with the white date wheel because it replaces the 3 index. I totally agree with you on the huge difference that mm makes
its 1mm overall thickness but 2 - 3mm in case height
Got a black s435 after reading your comments on Reddit. Love this model. It is my daily black diver now, even over my proxima px1697 in black. The new case and crystal are beautiful and the high beat movement is a nice upgrade. Nice review as always
The ETA 2824 and the various clones out there cannot be over-wound as the mainspring doesn't hook to the drum of the barrel. I would guess you had a movement in the past that had some other issues rather than an over-wind. Great review of the revamped Sea-Q homage! I may have to add that to my collection 🤔👍
Your first sentence is a positive comment or a negative comment for the movement? I did not understand clearly 😅
@@Yucel99 My first sentence was neither positive nor negative just a statement about modern mainsprings and that they slip inside the barrel which prevents overwind which can occur in manual wind movements. Marshall mentioned at the beginning he'd experienced "overwind" in this movement before.
I think he's talking about the brass ratchet wheels found in 2824 based movements (even SW-200-1 which was supposed to fix it). Those break easily if you handwind often. Check out the video from Grimwood Watch Modding about the issue.
@@tomcruz3774 got it, yes if the reversers are sticking and you have to resort to hand winding the ratchet wheel could shear some teeth. It is interesting that when servicing the ETA2824 that ETA recommends replacing the reversers and oscillating-weight bearing. These parts can be cleaned and lubricated but not to factory spec.
To me he refers to the issue of the rotor spinning when winding a 2824, thus putting mechanical stress. A known issue.
It can happen when manually winding a 2824 too often or just because of age, as I had this issue with a Squale, when they were still using old stocks despite almost never winding it. Or maybe it was used, who knows.
So it's indeed not ideal to unintentionnaly wind it every time you set the time.
I like the new update except for the crown. An onion crown is more at home on an aviation or dress watch than a diver. Although I can see why they went with this style because the taper allows a bigger grip on a thinner case.
Awesome video and super organized! I'm working on one myself but is easier to see them than to do them 😅
Thank you for this very detailled review.
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great comparison. I still plan on picking up a S434 in the future. It’s literally one of the best value dive watches on sale IMO. Thanks!
Hard to argue with you there, it's excellent
I prefer this new one too 😍
5:15 "you could break the movement" : you can't because this is an automatic so there is no "stop", no overwinding possible. These watches have an infinitely-slipping mainspring 😉
Actually you can over handwind movements. The router can spin continuously, but if you do it manually, you can damage the movement.
@@gilbertoflores7397 yes but the question is can you damage it on an automatic movement 🤔 I just did like 80 turns by hand on my watch with a Seiko NH35 and there is absolutely no resistance. Maybe it is only the case with very few automatic movements ?
@@GalorOffroad you're definitely going to mess up that moment, after about 20 turns there is a bit of resistance telling you to stop, you can keep winding, but you're going to ruin it's long term usage doing stuff like that. Look up any watchmakers/seller explained the ins and outs of automatic movements. I can't remember the channel but it was a really old guy who loved watches, explained never to overwind by hand, less than 20 turn once a month for all your watches you don't wear. Will keep it running smoothly for a long time. Letting them sit longer can dry up the oils. I think Marc has a watch and learn on it too.
I think he's talking about the brass ratchet wheels found in 2824 based movements (even SW-200-1 which was supposed to fix it). Those break easily if you handwind often. Check out the video from Grimwood Watch Modding about the issue.
@@gilbertoflores7397 guys, here in the video we are only speaking about 1 or 2 turns when screwing the crown back on the case ^^ My test was only a test, I never do that 😉 There was no resistance at all.
Great review as always! Any chance you're looking at reviewing the Cronos 39mm flieger? Particularly one in black as there doesn't seem to be any reviews on youtube about it.
Tempting...on the bracelet. It was in my cart for 11.11 and I just couldn't pull the trigger. I e had similar watches in the past and they just don't jell with me for some reason...but it's still in my cart so you never know.
It's a great looking watch in either version. I prefer the thinner case and rehaut of the new version but the crystal and mark 2 crown from the original version so not sure i'd want to pay the price difference
Great watch. I have the blue on a tapered mesh bracelet from strapcode and it is basically my daily driver. Seestern please provide half links on bracelets!
still no perfect fit even with the on-the-fly adjustable clasp?
@@EscapeWheel Yes, unfortunately. The clasp doesn’t matter, it’s still micro adjustments that need to get the perfect fit for the on-the-fly to matter.I told Sugess directly but I think they need to keep hearing it, I don’t think they have half links for the new S446.
I'm happy with my two-tone S434 V1, with the NH45 and the nicer crystal. The new case is a big improvement.
I like the updates, but the blue two-tone is a must
really sad they didn't bring the two-tones to the S435
The new case looks good👍
It really does 👍
i really want the s435 but in the gold two tone
Funny, but visually, looking them both in front, the one on the bracelet looks a tad bigger...
Thanks for this comparison Steve, be well mate.
Bought the S435 in all rose gold on a black Tropic strap. Definitely worth the upgrade, IMO. $228 from Watchdives.
He mirado la página que dices, watchesdive pero no encuentro que vendan seestern
Seems to me there are three watches then. The S 424, the S424, version two and the
S435.
That's a sweet looking watch. What's up with the crown? Is it the crown that has the issue, or is the stem too long or short. There was a San Martin with a manual wind ST1901 that had that same issue with the crown. Since the SM was a manual wind, the crown could break the main spring.
It's not uncommon to find crowns that do this. It's not a huge deal, really...you won't ever overwind and break this watch like the manual ST19. It just would have been nice to carry-over that spring loaded crown, especially considering the movement.
Great upgrade!
if only they could do a no date version
thanks for the review!
is there a reason why you avoided mentioning the obvious misalignment of the date wheel on the S435, which every S435 suffers from? I feel like that's pretty significant. otherwise it's a fantastic watch.
what misalignment??
No misalignment on mine!
I believe that it's a problem with almost every watch with the ST2130 in it. However, I'm not sure whether it's the case with every copy of this movement.
@@vatazhka i have the S435 with this movement and no misalignment....
seriously, what are you talking about??
@@dpmjole Have you seen other watches with this movement? It's a common problem with the ST2130 that the date wheel is not rotating correctly. Sometimes using date quick setting helps it to return to the center of the aperture (until it's off center again).
You might have been lucky and received a watch with a good ST2130.
I have compiled a small playlist for you where this problem can be seen (to a different extent):
ruclips.net/video/mK-p_u27JNA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vHiI5Vd4rRw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/d439xjz_lsM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/3F2p0sEx77U/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/a0tRRYfWHNo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yExbR6Hl8gI/видео.html
Do like the thinner case very much, but prefer the V2 crown and two tone dial. Steve, at ca. 3:47 the case between the lugs looks very scratched. Is this your doing when changing straps or was it like that at reception? Been eyeing it since launch of the 434. Would prefer this and other Ali brands using Miyota 9000 series more though. Regards
Most likely my doing...this has been on so many straps already.
@@EscapeWheel Thanks for your reply. Will kerp watching your reviews.
@@franciscomoliner1296 much appreciated man. 🤜🤛. Hope you enjoy them and find them useful
I prefer the S435 personally, but it wears smaller since since the sapphire is domed and not as flat as the S434. Dials seems smaller with the domed crystal.
Still, I keep both my blue/gilt S434 and my blue S435!
A looker for sure 👍🏻
Could you share the link to the leather strap? it is gorgeous
Very nice watch! I’ve been on the fence about wether I should get one or not
I'm not sure why, but the 434 looks bigger, like a 42mm vs 40 mm, and oddly better. I may just be loving the two-tone
The 2 tone is awesome. And it feels like a slightly larger watch, but not 2mm bigger
What about fixing 10 - 2 line? On most of scenes "2"-digit is shamefully covered by minute hand.
I think they printed so many defect dials so they will put them in some count of new "modifications" - only for sell it somehow
What?
@@Stanjara If You have eyes - You can see it
I mean 10-2-line is not parallel of 8-4-line
I have blue-gold version of s434. It's obvious, especially at night
Damn, yet another QC issue for Seestern. Looking online every image of the 434/435 has the same issue, the 2 is not parallel with the 10. It’s slightly higher. Also the 1 in the 12 is slightly higher than the 2.
I’m really considering this watch, but all the QC issues really turn me off. Datewheel misalignment seems very common, I’ve seen bezel misalignment too. Not OK for a $200+ watch imo, my $140 Baltany is literally perfect.
Yeah can see it in the video
@@dukeofgigabytes8335 Octopus Kraken was released new SeaQ homage (Scutumette SeaQ 1969). Check it. Looks little bit better, but still not perfect...
Now I want to buy it just to change the date wheel to black.
Lol. Do it
You cannot overwind an automatic movement, the main spring slips along the barrel walls to prevent damage from automatic winding. You are handwinding both watches when screwing in the crown, it's simply less noticeable with the NH35. I can feel/hear the movement winding when screwing in the crown also in my watches with Sellita SW200-2, Orient F6922 and Miyota 8204.
How is the alignment of the digits of the "12"? Are they perfectly lined up or is the "1” slightly higher?
I've got the S435... the bezel on mine has lots of play and the alignment it off.
That's a bummer. This one is great!
Send it back
Mine is perfect
Wish they would make a 41 or 42mm
Link to the thinner one? Link u provided is only for the nh35
Check the link again, it has BOTH NH35 and ST2130. Look for the thumbnails with S435 on them...it's the last half of the items
@@EscapeWheel you're right. Thanks
Что насчет исправления кривой двойки? Почти на всех кадрах она стыдливо прикрыта минутной стрелкой. Я о том, что 10 и 2 лежат не на одной линии
If that's true, it's so miniscule I never noticed.
@@EscapeWheel It's good if do not see it. But for me it is like a eyesore
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@@EscapeWheelIndeed! And even the Glashütte SeaQ has these "issues"
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It's not a true
@@DrMukcep yes, is a true, go and a look for yourself
i have a green S435 and is a beautiful watch!!
one objection, the date is completely useless!! the dates are ridiculously thin and barely visible, you literally need to raise your hand and make an effort to be able to read the date......i mean WTF Seestern!?
Add a magnifier ! 😵💫
your audio isn't syncing with your video...slightly annoying....other than that nice images
weird. everything seems fine on my end. maybe it's on your end?
Everything lines up fine for me 👍🏻
My toilet has a seestern.