We are going to get at least 30/40 seconds of it during the goty announcment orchestra. Probably more like the main theme but it's pretty similar. A full orchestral piece would be a dream come true though! Can't wait!
I know Radagon is most likely not even alive by this point, he is merely an empty husk possessed by the Elden Ring, but the look he gives while raising the hammer is soooooo badass.
Surprisingly, he is still alive. Permanent death is basically impossible due to Destined Death not being in the Elden Ring Also, Turtle Pope tells us that Marika and Radagon are both being held captive within the Erdtree. So that just makes the look he gives us even more awesome
@@alfalldoot6715 remnants of the time before the Shattering. You’ll notice that most enemies in the catacombs are either animated statues or skeletons who Live in Death
@@featdirty1127 I still wonder how the erdtree burial was done... Did they kill the champ and before he could come back from death, they quickly buried him next to the roots of the erdtree? And then what? Are people permanently dead when done in by the erdtree burial or will they be reborn in a new body or some other stuff?
@@Mestari1Gaming Tarnished Archaeologist has an amazing series that go into this exact thing, but basically yes. It's implied strongly enough that it seems plausible that people are literally born from trees in Elden Ring, so Erdtree Burials were basically part of a big recycling programme.
This game is so perfect. No Microtransactions or Season Pass. A complete game and you can collect all things in the game. It reminds me of the good old gaming days when you just bought a game and had fun. GAME OF THE YEAR 2022. From Software deserves this title with Elden Ring. Other gaming companies could learn from Elden Ring. A game will sell copies when done the right way.
I love how radagon doesn't say anything, he just gives you this look, one not of rage or hate, almost sadness, as if to say, "You would replace me? You would be Elden Lord? Prove your worth then"
@@Jake-vu9muHim and Marika have different minds and personalities. She shattered the ring he tried protecting it. She despises the golden order while Radagon stays loyal.
After limgrave After Stormveil After the Weeping peninsula After Caelid After liurnia After the eternal cities After Altus After Mt Gelmir After Leyendell After the forbidden lands of the giants After Faram beyond time You stand before the remains of a shattered order amongst the ashen ruins of their acomplishments. You have bested every task before you You have spit death in the face Your determination is the strongest out of any being in the lands between. Now, only the fractured husk of a godking guards the shattered Elden Ring and the source of it all, the Elden Beast and its master. The fallen leaves tell a story, Of a tarnished that became Elden Lord, And ushered in the age of their choosing. Read message: "First off, well done!"
@@moddedpan4252 not 6/10, more like 3-4/10. I agree he's not terrible but I'd say he's below average and beautiful visuals aren't gonna win me over mediocre mechanics personally
@@lexmortis5722 If only Torrent was in the fight it would have been scored higher. Imagine chasing the beast with torrent while he is bombarding you it would have been look epic.
@@deusvultpictures6550 I like the idea of him having a phase two instead of the Elden Beast fight, but he can't pull out the Sacred Relic Sword because he IS the Sacred Relic Sword, the Elden Beast transforms him into it in the cutscene between the two fights, they could have had him use the Golden Order Greatsword instead of giving it to some random Misbegotten warrior though.
If there's one thing that would genuinely rock the Game Awards this year, it'd be two orchestras, one playing the God of War Ragnarok Theme, and the other playing the Elden Ring theme, duking it out. Because we _all_ know it's gonna be between these two heavy weights this year.
There's a piece of fan fiction I wish I was smart enough to recite. It tells the story of the battle from Radagon's perspective, how another tarnished has stepped forward to repair a world these gods cannot but then the narrative twists stating 'this tarnished is different, he burns with the frenzied flame, he is not here to repair the Elden Ring' and how this is a battle Radagon cannot afford to lose. My words are no where near as eloquent but the fan fiction around this game is incredible, some super talented people on here.
Elden Ring is such a well known game that i went to a very remote village in the Amazon for work and i saw a native guy with a Godfrey shirt and when i asked about it he told me played it, i told him that a DLC was coming out, he didn't knew what DLC was but was happy that "new things" were going to be added into it.
caraca que daora 3 motivos que achei seu comentario genial,1º pelo visto tu e BR,2º você fala inglês muito bem e 3º tu gosta de madoka magica e elden ring.
@@miguelalmeidamontesanto5191 Aki nóis é BR HUE Mano, até hoje eu lembro do índio com a camisa do Godfrey praticamento no lá meio do nada, eu aprendi ingleix jogando GTA, eu amo samerda de Madoka kkkkkkk
It's even funnier when your friend who doesn't know he parries spells tries to spam them for dear life and Radagon just walks slowly towards them, parrying everything
I honestly wish Radagon was more like Soul of Cinder, by that i mean imagine getting him all the way down and then he just gets a new weapon, new healthbar and new moveset. I could imagine him turning Marika's hammer into the sacred relic sword too. Would've been much better than London marathon beast
Maybe kinda cringe but i remember the first time that shot of him holding up the hammer while the Elden Ring appeared in his chest while the music played was a magical moment. I practically yelled "THERE IT IS!!!" on seeing the Ring itself and i think thats what part of the moment is trying to convey. You're at the end of your journey in search of the Elden Ring, and here it is. Take it.
Amazing final boss, one of my all time favorites, i love that the game ends with him, I think Radagon is one of the best final bosses from software has ever made. A truly amazing boss fight to close a truly amazing game. Or this is what i would have said if it wasn't for that absolute trash of a boss the Elden Shit is.
@@rino_koito TRUE. Ruined an otherwise masterpiece of endboss design. WIth the intensified main theme.. my god i had goosebumps all over. I was so happy to get ma ass clapped several times just to hear and feel it again and again. And then elden blob, thanks for nothing. Lore whatever, this was unnecessary.
no disrespect to the other OST'S but once I heard this, I actually stopped for a moment to listen as how badass it was and it was instant too then when I fought Radagon, Adrenaline kicked in like a Ultimate Battle.
If the Game would just end after him (maybe buff him a bit) It would have been perfect. But runaway, golden-shower-star Elden Beast is just annoying to fight
Elden beast was aids and I havent done a 2nd run yet solely because of that. Doesn’t help that the end game wasn’t as fun to me as the beginning. Radagon felt really underwhelming too, puny god.
Dunno why it sucked for so many people. I found it quite enjoyable actually. Look at all those Erdtree trunks and the sky along with Elden Beast's awesome graphical effects made it amazing.
@@joevaghn457 Because it's a bad designed boss fight which heavily punishes melee builds for not having ranged options. On the other hand, it's an huge joke as a faith caster, because Pests Threads nukes him. A well designed boss fight can't be frustrating as hell or easy as shit depending on builds, it needs a good balance between the difficulties of each build.
@@collinquirk Yes, obviously I'm aware it's an Elden Ring track lol. I was just pointing out that you should credit the composer of the music, that's all.
I don’t get the hate for elden beast, So what if it runs away? So what if it spams magic? You still have plenty of time to attack it, and most of its attacks are very telegraphed and reactable. Also If torrent was made available for this boss, It would make most of its attacks a joke to the point where it isn’t hard anymore. And it’s a final boss, it shouldn’t be easy. And if you want to wreck this boss just use mimic + haligdrake talisman for holy damage negation and its easy like all bosses with mimic
@@davidrajaruzicka5546 Like we didn't have already worked hard enough for achieving victory on Radagon lmao Elden Beast is just shit to fight for a pure melee build, without counting Haligdragon and Pearldragon + 2 trivialize him. He's just a waste of time.
@@jador9641if you really find Radagon to be that hard then sorry bud you are just a noob spamming mimic. His health pool is quite small at the end game, 98% of his attacks are purely holy damage, he has well telegraphed moves. He is quite enjoyable as a boss fight but definitely not hard enough for him to be the sole final boss.
Alright, hear me out, delete Elden Beast or have him replace some of the god awful tree spirits, put Raddy boy in the beast's arena because his current one is dreadfully boring, and you have an excellent final fight. Or have the arena from the original fight be for phase one and have it sort of melt away to reveal EBs arena during 2nd phase and have Radagon get some new attacks. And then use Elden Beast's theme for the credits so it isn't wasted.
I wish it was the final boss with normal 2, 3 or maybe even 4 phases, but without elden beast. This cosmic abomination just ruins the mood of this fight.
@@literallyjustchickensandwich Because in BB if you kill Gehrman and then start fight with Moon presence, you don't have to kill Gehrman again, if you die to MP. Unlike Elden Beast
Yeah yknow guys, I realized how fucking dense my comment was, but on the other hand the comment was made under the influence of me being sleep deprived which probably isn't an excuse
Blasphemous Blade aow: The Fight. For real tho, that thing melts Radagon in 4-5 landed L2. Combined with Tiche, he becomes from one of the toughest boss fights as a laughable joke.
Dude, why did you need to put the name of the boss in the title? It may be hard to believe but some people haven't yet completed the game.... you're potentially totally spoiling their experience.
You bring up an excellent question. This was something I mulled over for a while before ultimately deciding to go with the name. I had figured it had been enough time since the initial release of Elden Ring that it would be safe to put the name in. But I definitely get where you're coming from, and I appreciate the question.
@@lexmortis5722 well i dont give a fuck about how youtube works. He is not gonna give an unprecise name to the video just to please people who sont want to get spoiled...
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I love it, think we could get a phase 2 for the godskin apostles?.
@@comandercarnis I’ll probably do a couple other ones first, but that’s definitely on my list
tree sentinel phase 1 or 2, or both
those ambitions aren't looking so foolish now, eh margit
Imagine orchestra playing this live in Game Awards.
Hell yes
this just gave me chills
We are going to get at least 30/40 seconds of it during the goty announcment orchestra. Probably more like the main theme but it's pretty similar. A full orchestral piece would be a dream come true though!
Can't wait!
Elden Ring is 100% going to be nominated, 90% chance it's gonna win. Just a matter of what they play during the final announcement...
@@General_C goty orchestra too short. i want full performance of both Elden Ring and GOW.
I know Radagon is most likely not even alive by this point, he is merely an empty husk possessed by the Elden Ring, but the look he gives while raising the hammer is soooooo badass.
Surprisingly, he is still alive. Permanent death is basically impossible due to Destined Death not being in the Elden Ring
Also, Turtle Pope tells us that Marika and Radagon are both being held captive within the Erdtree.
So that just makes the look he gives us even more awesome
@@featdirty1127 What are the catacombs then?
@@alfalldoot6715 remnants of the time before the Shattering. You’ll notice that most enemies in the catacombs are either animated statues or skeletons who Live in Death
@@featdirty1127 I still wonder how the erdtree burial was done... Did they kill the champ and before he could come back from death, they quickly buried him next to the roots of the erdtree? And then what? Are people permanently dead when done in by the erdtree burial or will they be reborn in a new body or some other stuff?
@@Mestari1Gaming Tarnished Archaeologist has an amazing series that go into this exact thing, but basically yes. It's implied strongly enough that it seems plausible that people are literally born from trees in Elden Ring, so Erdtree Burials were basically part of a big recycling programme.
This game is so perfect. No Microtransactions or Season Pass. A complete game and you can collect all things in the game. It reminds me of the good old gaming days when you just bought a game and had fun.
GAME OF THE YEAR 2022.
From Software deserves this title with Elden Ring.
Other gaming companies could learn from Elden Ring. A game will sell copies when done the right way.
it will most definitely sell copies but that's all it will sell. Game companies are businesses and as such maximize profit.
And then the DLC arrived and turned a solid soulslike into a collect-a-thon because devs wanted people to play the game """the right way""" lol
this is the only consistent loop of radagon's theme that i can find
was about to say the same
I love how radagon doesn't say anything, he just gives you this look, one not of rage or hate, almost sadness, as if to say, "You would replace me? You would be Elden Lord? Prove your worth then"
He just wants for you to kill him and put to an end his misery, caused by the punishment of the greater will.
I don't think he gives you any kind of look, I don't think he's even "alive" in the end, just a puppet shell for the Elden Ring.
Not really. You’re not replacing him cuz he’s marika
@@Jake-vu9muHim and Marika have different minds and personalities. She shattered the ring he tried protecting it. She despises the golden order while Radagon stays loyal.
After limgrave
After Stormveil
After the Weeping peninsula
After Caelid
After liurnia
After the eternal cities
After Altus
After Mt Gelmir
After Leyendell
After the forbidden lands of the giants
After Faram beyond time
You stand before the remains of a shattered order amongst the ashen ruins of their acomplishments.
You have bested every task before you
You have spit death in the face
Your determination is the strongest out of any being in the lands between.
Now, only the fractured husk of a godking guards the shattered Elden Ring and the source of it all, the Elden Beast and its master.
The fallen leaves tell a story,
Of a tarnished that became Elden Lord,
And ushered in the age of their choosing.
Read message: "First off, well done!"
So epic
Visions of victory...
*"Wasn't expecting weak foe"*
"Spit in the face of death"
More like brought back to it's former glory
"Seek Elden Ring"
Chadagon vs Virgin Beast
Chadagons fight cannot be ruined
He is the god of good boss fights
Elden Beast isnt even that bad, he's not as good as radagon but i would still say its like a 6/10 and not the trainwreck people make it out to be
@@moddedpan4252 Spending over 5 minutes per Elden Yeast just running around will forever be bad design, cannot be higher than 3/10.
@@moddedpan4252 beast simply not fun to fight
@@moddedpan4252 not 6/10, more like 3-4/10. I agree he's not terrible but I'd say he's below average and beautiful visuals aren't gonna win me over mediocre mechanics personally
@@lexmortis5722 If only Torrent was in the fight it would have been scored higher.
Imagine chasing the beast with torrent while he is bombarding you it would have been look epic.
The theme we've been waiting for this entire game. Too bad he doesn't have a second or third phase, that would've been epic
i wish radagon was the final FINAL boss instead of elden beast
@@OBUNGUS487 Yup, same. Last time I said this I got attacked by fanboys
Dam
@@Zansekai It's so true though, his phase two he should pull out the Sacred Relic Sword and use that with Marika's Hammer
@@deusvultpictures6550 I like the idea of him having a phase two instead of the Elden Beast fight, but he can't pull out the Sacred Relic Sword because he IS the Sacred Relic Sword, the Elden Beast transforms him into it in the cutscene between the two fights, they could have had him use the Golden Order Greatsword instead of giving it to some random Misbegotten warrior though.
can anyone else hear little golden sparkle sounds in the theme lol they are at 2:36
they are there indeed and it's a nice touch
If there's one thing that would genuinely rock the Game Awards this year, it'd be two orchestras, one playing the God of War Ragnarok Theme, and the other playing the Elden Ring theme, duking it out.
Because we _all_ know it's gonna be between these two heavy weights this year.
There's a piece of fan fiction I wish I was smart enough to recite.
It tells the story of the battle from Radagon's perspective, how another tarnished has stepped forward to repair a world these gods cannot but then the narrative twists stating 'this tarnished is different, he burns with the frenzied flame, he is not here to repair the Elden Ring' and how this is a battle Radagon cannot afford to lose.
My words are no where near as eloquent but the fan fiction around this game is incredible, some super talented people on here.
That’s actually quite fascinating! Do you think you could locate the fan fiction and post the link here?
@@collinquirk It's was a full length YT comment left of one of the OST videos
@@Mike-ts8bw I'm currently trying to find it as well
@@dijohnle8460 Any success?
@Huevo69420 elden ring final battle with tone variation and effects. Top comment
Elden Ring is such a well known game that i went to a very remote village in the Amazon for work and i saw a native guy with a Godfrey shirt and when i asked about it he told me played it, i told him that a DLC was coming out, he didn't knew what DLC was but was happy that "new things" were going to be added into it.
you made that up but thats cool
@@ltcaphide I work at INCRA and we had to do some research along with FUNAI, the dude was from the Macuxi tribe in the edge of Roraima's territory.
caraca que daora 3 motivos que achei seu comentario genial,1º pelo visto tu e BR,2º você fala inglês muito bem e 3º tu gosta de madoka magica e elden ring.
@@miguelalmeidamontesanto5191 Aki nóis é BR HUE Mano, até hoje eu lembro do índio com a camisa do Godfrey praticamento no lá meio do nada, eu aprendi ingleix jogando GTA, eu amo samerda de Madoka kkkkkkk
Is that Madoka Kaname from hit anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica
Other bosses: NOO!! YOUR TARNISHED PUT THESE FOOLISH AMBITIONS TO REST!!
Radagon: ".."
Amongst all the unforgiving ambition that stood in his path to become an Elden Lord, the Tarnished has read message.
"Try finger
but hole."
"Beware Giant
But Hole"
Goosebumpy epic fight
We not gonna talk about how he survived 16 minutes for this
There is no way he survived 16 minutes. He found a way to record the song and posted it
"Im gonna hammer some fucking intelligence into you.." *Chadagon, two seconds before slamming you with his command grab*
It's even funnier when your friend who doesn't know he parries spells tries to spam them for dear life and Radagon just walks slowly towards them, parrying everything
I put this on when I read a climatic part of The Wheel of Time The great hunt.
absolutely amazing music for such an amazing book.
If not for the Cardiac Arrest Beast, Radagon definitely would have earned a high spot for me along side Mohg.
I honestly wish Radagon was more like Soul of Cinder, by that i mean imagine getting him all the way down and then he just gets a new weapon, new healthbar and new moveset.
I could imagine him turning Marika's hammer into the sacred relic sword too. Would've been much better than London marathon beast
Maybe kinda cringe but i remember the first time that shot of him holding up the hammer while the Elden Ring appeared in his chest while the music played was a magical moment. I practically yelled "THERE IT IS!!!" on seeing the Ring itself and i think thats what part of the moment is trying to convey. You're at the end of your journey in search of the Elden Ring, and here it is.
Take it.
This would've been one of the best final bosses in the series if it wasn't immediately followed by the utter trainwreck of the Elden Beast fight.
Stop crying the elden beast was a unique end boss
@@lightninggaming016 "unique" and "good" are two different things.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263Yeah, I m pretty sure Lightning up there is also unique.
If I'm ever rich, i will have an entire orchestra play this while i fight Radagon.
When Elden Ring wins game of the year. They should play this
Keep dreaming.
@@jador9641 keep coping
@@jador9641 lmaooo dreams become reality.
Boy do I have good news for you!
@@jador9641 KEKW that didnt age well
this is so epic
When he raises the hammer instantly comes to head: "This dude is the man!!"
В этом боссе всё идеально!
love him or hating he has based boss and music design
Best song in the game
Amazing final boss, one of my all time favorites, i love that the game ends with him, I think Radagon is one of the best final bosses from software has ever made. A truly amazing boss fight to close a truly amazing game.
Or this is what i would have said if it wasn't for that absolute trash of a boss the Elden Shit is.
on god radagon fight was a vibe, i will never not love his part, but then u kill him and elden shit stain decides to show up. smh
@@rino_koito TRUE. Ruined an otherwise masterpiece of endboss design. WIth the intensified main theme.. my god i had goosebumps all over. I was so happy to get ma ass clapped several times just to hear and feel it again and again. And then elden blob, thanks for nothing. Lore whatever, this was unnecessary.
I swear you can hear Queen Marika shattering the Elden Ring in this soundtrack
Margit Phase 2 next
So marika was the final boss after all
Yep and if you get the law of regression incantation, you would've known before ever fighting radagon
Yes and no
@@ineedcookie_427 yesn't
GOTY!!!!
no disrespect to the other OST'S but once I heard this, I actually stopped for a moment to listen as how badass it was and it was instant too then when I fought Radagon, Adrenaline kicked in like a Ultimate Battle.
ah, Radagon. i didn't get the hint the first time, nor the second time... but i got it the third time
Me holding the last firework
GOTY 2022
******* is a game that makes you ask many questions.
“What secrets are to uncover? What adventures are there to be had? Am I gay now?”
If the Game would just end after him (maybe buff him a bit) It would have been perfect.
But runaway, golden-shower-star Elden Beast is just annoying to fight
Elden beast was aids and I havent done a 2nd run yet solely because of that. Doesn’t help that the end game wasn’t as fun to me as the beginning. Radagon felt really underwhelming too, puny god.
Dunno why it sucked for so many people. I found it quite enjoyable actually. Look at all those Erdtree trunks and the sky along with Elden Beast's awesome graphical effects made it amazing.
@@joevaghn457 Because it's a bad designed boss fight which heavily punishes melee builds for not having ranged options.
On the other hand, it's an huge joke as a faith caster, because Pests Threads nukes him.
A well designed boss fight can't be frustrating as hell or easy as shit depending on builds, it needs a good balance between the difficulties of each build.
Radagon is a True GOD
Golden Order Dragon
Who composed the music? Thought you would credit them in the video description but did not see it ...
@@TheRPGInsomniac It’s fairly common knowledge this is an Elden Ring track, but it was composed by Tsukasa Saitoh
@@collinquirk Yes, obviously I'm aware it's an Elden Ring track lol. I was just pointing out that you should credit the composer of the music, that's all.
@ Fair enough. I’ll keep that in mind for future videos.
music top 💪💥
I don’t get the hate for elden beast, So what if it runs away? So what if it spams magic? You still have plenty of time to attack it, and most of its attacks are very telegraphed and reactable. Also If torrent was made available for this boss, It would make most of its attacks a joke to the point where it isn’t hard anymore. And it’s a final boss, it shouldn’t be easy. And if you want to wreck this boss just use mimic + haligdrake talisman for holy damage negation and its easy like all bosses with mimic
Because compared to radagon he is a unfun uninteresting boring boss that ruins the fun of radagons fight.
(From a elden beast enjoyer)
@@Lizabeth_Glintstone even the enjoyers hate elden beast, lmfao
THANK YOU. I actually love Elden beast. Makes me work hard and have more fun with the game
@@davidrajaruzicka5546 Like we didn't have already worked hard enough for achieving victory on Radagon lmao
Elden Beast is just shit to fight for a pure melee build, without counting Haligdragon and Pearldragon + 2 trivialize him.
He's just a waste of time.
@@jador9641if you really find Radagon to be that hard then sorry bud you are just a noob spamming mimic. His health pool is quite small at the end game, 98% of his attacks are purely holy damage, he has well telegraphed moves. He is quite enjoyable as a boss fight but definitely not hard enough for him to be the sole final boss.
2:33 romeo santos
Alright, hear me out, delete Elden Beast or have him replace some of the god awful tree spirits, put Raddy boy in the beast's arena because his current one is dreadfully boring, and you have an excellent final fight.
Or have the arena from the original fight be for phase one and have it sort of melt away to reveal EBs arena during 2nd phase and have Radagon get some new attacks.
And then use Elden Beast's theme for the credits so it isn't wasted.
Would make no sense at all with the lore
Radagon in elden beast arena would straight up be demise from skyward sword
Radagon would look like a champion and a god at the same time if that happened
If theres one thing I'd love to see
It's Radagon wielding the sacred relic sword
what is this type of music call?
Badass
Most based exchange in history
Orchestral
Elden ring
I wish it was the final boss with normal 2, 3 or maybe even 4 phases, but without elden beast. This cosmic abomination just ruins the mood of this fight.
Funny how people don’t say that about Bloodborne
@@literallyjustchickensandwich Because in BB if you kill Gehrman and then start fight with Moon presence, you don't have to kill Gehrman again, if you die to MP. Unlike Elden Beast
Also Moon Presence is crazy easy.
Yeah yknow guys, I realized how fucking dense my comment was, but on the other hand the comment was made under the influence of me being sleep deprived which probably isn't an excuse
@@literallyjustchickensandwich grant him eyes
0:58
This theme was literally the only thing about the fight that lived up to the absolute hype of Hoarah Loux, unfortunately.
I wonder if there's a deeper meaning behind the reuse of the Demon Souls theme for Elden Ring
athos, pathos
I know this is a remix of a remix, but damn this theme slaps
Its ashame this whole fight is ruined by elden beast lmao
your body my choice
Blasphemous Blade aow: The Fight.
For real tho, that thing melts Radagon in 4-5 landed L2.
Combined with Tiche, he becomes from one of the toughest boss fights as a laughable joke.
Dude, why did you need to put the name of the boss in the title?
It may be hard to believe but some people haven't yet completed the game.... you're potentially totally spoiling their experience.
You bring up an excellent question. This was something I mulled over for a while before ultimately deciding to go with the name. I had figured it had been enough time since the initial release of Elden Ring that it would be safe to put the name in. But I definitely get where you're coming from, and I appreciate the question.
@@collinquirk i mean if you dont want to be spoiled dont go where spoilers are gonna be for sure.
And thats the name of the song so...
@@lexmortis5722 well i dont give a fuck about how youtube works. He is not gonna give an unprecise name to the video just to please people who sont want to get spoiled...
You're on the internet, homie. That endless flood of information does come with some downsides.
I think the grace period for spoilers has long since passed