See the lyrics in this can 100% have double meaning. He sees "past and future running free" so the "song of past romance" and "sacrifice of man" Can reference things in both act 1 and act 2. As for the betrayal and "brothers final stand" Well you'll just have to see *laughs as someone who's read the Odyssey*
From the video on callbacks, Jorge said that Tiresias sees "all of time, ALL THE TIME" - he doesn't see Odysseus (also on the account of being blind) but he sees a torrent of past and future images as our boi approaches. He cannot turn those visions off. And then Tiresias tries to convey the ones he sees most clear as they fly by so fast.
Oooooh Im so excited that you chose this one! Here’s a confirmed fun fact about this animatic. The reason Tiresias looks gender neutral is because he spent multiple years as a woman as punishment from the gods
He was also asked to resolve an argument between Zeus and Hera since he had the perspective of both male and female. He sided with Zeus, angering Hera. So Hera struck him blind. As a consolation, Zeus gave him the gift of prophesy.
@@nuclearbirds Most Greek stories involving the gods are this fucked up. as a mortal you never win, whatever choice you make will please one god but anger another. Like, the whole story about the Trojan war was caused by Paris favoring Aphrodite but in the process angering Hera and Athena….
Fun fact, Jorge made Tiresias' song a waltz because Tiresias is supposed to be a really old character, and Jorge wanted to give him a really old style of music.
His classical enunciation that these guys pointed out would fit that as well. The careful enunciation of hard consonants is very much the way people are taught to sing for older musical genres (opera, classical musical theater, etc. as opposed to rock or pop singing).
The prophet is talking about the PAST AND THE FUTURE "I see past and future running free" all of the phrases have an event from both the past and future that fit it
@@joescraft123it does actually, polities dies as a final stand for his Open Arms moral in the fight with the cyclops. So one of odysseus‘ Brothers takes a final stand in Akt 1
@@georginakosi5411 His entire relationship with Penelope is in his past. His romance with her literally only exists before the story and in his future aka the end of the story and after.
I want point out that Casper actually mentioned Tiresias before! I can't which video it was (maybe "there are other ways"?) but Casper talked about a blind prophet who's name he couldn't remember- which was Tiresias!
I hear Draw you sword Save your blood you could be nothing more run from Poseidon kill all the suiters or else I think that a few of them aren't the right ones mainly "Draw Your Sword" and "Nothing More" because Jorge said that out of these line Silent Halls King of Blood You could be nothing more run through silent halls kill all the suiters for love only one is correct.
To all who don’t know, Jorge confirmed the first four lines after the Thunder Saga released (SPOILERS): Siren Song! Scylla Throat! Mutiny! Lightning Bolt!
Anybody else notice that whenever odysseus's motif plays, Jorge is just Rick rolling his entire audience. Just sing never gonna give you up when Casper is playing the piano at the end😂
It's my understanding that almost every line in the prophets chorus actually has a dual meaning that is designed to refer to multiple events in both the future and past events at the same time: For example: "Song of past/passed romance" could refer to both the past Penelope romance and the 'passed' Circe romance in the previous songs at the same time. I imagine that each time the prophet repeats the chorus he is actually referring to different events in time. First chorus (past) and second chorus (future). Even the "no longer you" line in the first chorus can refer to how Odysseus changed between being willing to kill the infant to his interactions with Polites convincing him to try sparing Polyphemus, the act that caused Athena to leave him because he changed. (portrayal of betrayal)
I love how in EPIC tiresias is al mysterious and spooky and in the odyssey he is like you messed up you killed the cyclops and told him your name you big dummy but moving forward you can be less stupid so dont do anything with the cows, you will know what I mean
Tiresias in The Odyssey: Oh you need help? Sick. Maybe write this down so you don't fuck it up. Oh, no? Ah, I'm sure you'll be fine, anyways- *super specific directions* Tiresias in Epic: Oh you need help, do you? Nah fuck you. Decipher this, bitch- *haunting choir intensifies*
Sooo.. Tiresias: bro u f-ed up, if u dont wanna get smote don't eat the damn cows Ody: alr bet, we won't eat them Eurylochus and the crew: **NOM NOM NOM**
0:14 "How dare you?" "Well, basically they dared by drawing a picture of polites dead. Like, right there, when you asked 'how dare you'...that is how. That is a perfect example of how they are daring. Silly question really."
Fun little speculation: At the end of the song the backing choir vocals for Tiresias's Reprise have been partially deciphered and are in order as such- "I see you on the brink of death- (Siren's song, Sea of Blood)" - Foreshadow "I see you draw your final breath- (You can't leave, Loving Her)" - Likely Odysseus's own fears and insecurities in that moment "I see a man who gets to make it home alive- (Poseidon)" - Poseidon is drawn out but it's also a callback to ruthlessness and underworld The next choir chant picks up just before "But it's no longer you." and sounds akin to "He will kill suitors for love." - Foreshadowing and finally during his fall and Tiresias's exit one can hear Odysseus's name extremely drawn out until the songs decresendo.
I heard that back up as “You will hear nothing more”, referring to how oracles are not in control of the lines of the prophecies that they deliver no matter how much or in what way the querent (person asking the question) asks.
So of note, the Red Specters standing behind Tiresias is actually a reference to Ancient Greek Theater itself, where often times, usually with scenes that involve profits, there is hooded figures singing the chorus, either unable to se their faces or wearing masks to shove some gravitas to it. I remember seeing much mention of it in the Oedipus screenplay as well during that prophets scene, so it's very much thematic to have it animated like this and I am 100% willing to bet that it will be a thing when this show goes to Broadway some day
Yeah... This animatic is very blatant about what the prophet actually means. It's like reading a Percy Jackson book but the prophesy has a cheat sheet next to it explaining the actual meaning of each line. I really like Ximena's because it stays a bit vague about what it actually means and doesn't reveal the true meaning. It's also just amazing in a bunch of other ways. I'd absolutely recommend checking it out even if you don't make a video reacting to it.
All animatics of this song are full of act 2 spoilers because it's a prophet so make sense. Also theres an animatic made by krieo that is great because the first chorus there's things from the past, and the second chorus there's stuff from the future with the same lyrics. If you don't mind spoilers then it wouldbe a great watch
The visions are simultaneously past and future, Tiresias says he sees past and future running free. The sacrifice of man is about Polites, and all the other men lost so far, and also about future sacrifices.
fun fact; what you've identified as what (I presume) is the monster motif, also appears earlier in the musical- during the end of survive when odysseus goes "im the reigning king of ithaca" etc, the men in the background are singing this motif!!
The cool thing about this song is that Jorge purposely made the prophecy about Odysseus's Past AND Future. In order, Tiresias is speaking about the following; Peneleope/ The Sirens, the fight against Polyphemus/ Scylla, the Crews past and future betrayals of trust, and the lost of both Polities and Eurylochus. Sooo good!!!
Felt it in my soul, knew they were gonna do that animatic. 😭 Excited to watch this video, but also manifesting that you check out Ximena's version as well. 💕
There is a game called Stray Gods: The Roleplaying Musical (on steam) Its a choose your adventure styled musical where you pick the mood/style for the ongoing song and essentially its a musical with alteast 3 main variations. Ofcourse the goal is for the musical to evolve how you want it.
SPOILERS FOR ACT 2 Speaking of Oddyseus returning home, there's the song not released yet called "King" that takes the line of "i see your palace, covered in red, faces of men, who have long believed you're dead"
@@aadityayanamandra8846 I guess I just think that for someone new to it that hasn't been spoiled on the demos it's kind of a dead giveaway that he's the threat in the song before the song actually says his name.
Oh my god I just realised the monster motiv you're talking about at the end is also being sung by the soldiers when Odysseus is doxing himself in Remember them. Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
Thinking back to 'keep your friends close' when Odysseus was pleading with the dream version of Penelope, "so much has changed but I'm the same. Yes I'm the same" "but it's no longer you" makes you wonder
I've always liked to view the prophet's "I see a song of past romance. I see the sacrifice of man." etc lines as mentions to both the past AND future. Tiresias sees both, so I like to think that he uses the same words to describe different events; some that have already happened and some that are still yet to come.
Maybe I could recommend checking out Krieo's No Longer You animatic as an alternative, cuz for the first chorus, it uses Act I events, while for the second, it uses Act II Would also highly recommend Ximena's version
@officialmortius Some people have limited cognitive abilities, but then again I was also having a dumb brain moment myself yesterday when I asked if y'all would be avoiding the snippets for Act Two, so I'm just as guilty lol.
actually act 2 the thunder saga is coming on none other then July 4th. I know you recorded this a while ago but its coming. I am sure you guys might have already recorded some part of hanimations already and it will come on youtube later. I cant wait to see this and monster reaction. To bad hades never showed up so CF could see real hades instead of wet hades
The real Hades wouldn’t be wet hades, it would be thirst hades, because with all these talented animators I don’t think there would be anyone immune to simping over the underworld god
That monster motif you mentioned. It was in Remember Them, when Odysseus is doxxing himself. The background vocals follow those notes exactly. Remember me (Ooooooooh)
The motif you guys are discussing at the end, that comes from Remember Them! It's first sung in the background at the end while Odysseus doxxes himself lol
I think that the animations have it of past events makes it better as it shows what is going through his mind trying to make sense of that the prophet is saying without context Behind what he is saying which leads into his rage of WHO.
I love how it is the same every song: "You ready?" "Yeah." (NO), total emotional breakdown after some time and Mortius just going "YEAH.", it's just wonderful
Also something I learned, the ghosts behind the prophet in the last verse are saying “Siren Song” “Scylla Throat” “Mutany” and “Lightning Bolt” foreshadowing the entirety of the next Saga
I wonder if the first chorus is referring to the past - the iliad - and then the second chorus is referring to the future (the second act, to avoid spoilers). Jorge mentioned in one vid that the prophet is overwhelmed by past and future all at once...
So basically the the chorus at the end is foreshadowing what happens in the next Saga they are saying; Siren Song, sylla throat, lightning bolt, Poseidon and kill all your suitors for love
I like to think that the first time the "Prophet song" is said it's referring to the past, while the Second time when He's answering Ody's question He's talking about events to come It fits well with the "I see past and future running free" Lyric
Idk if anyone else has said this but I think the “man who is haunting” is still Odysseus after his voyage. If you know the source material he certainly has a trail of bodies. Therefore, “a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you” is Odysseus after he becomes “the monster” and is unrecognisable from the man who set off from Ithica
Jorge did share almost the full song title/saga list at one point, except for two mystery song, that is not part of the original Odyssey story, but will be part of Epic only. (We will hear them on july 4th in Thunder Saga) There are also so many amazing snippets of future songs, including both of those scenarios that Mortius and Casper talked about in their future speculations.
the chorus of souls sounds like it opens with "silence all" "say no more" to me but ive also listened to this song an unhealthy amount of times and may be going insane
Does anyone remember mr Peabody and Sherman, did you know Odysseus is in there too(in the trojan war part), but Odysseus there is a little bit different from epic animatics badass Odysseus 🙂🙂🙂 Just search and you will understand
OH! Little fun fact! There is a TikTok that someone posted that Jorge himself made another TikTok about. It talks about the chorus of the souls and what they’re saying! “Siren song” “Scylla throat” “Mutiny” “Lightning bolt” “Run from Poseidon” “Kill all the suitors for love!”
Btw, incase you haven't seen it, the first 4 of lines of the background vocals have been comfirmed, and don't worry, they are not spoilers(Unless you have not seen thunder saga), the first 4 are refering to thunder saga SPOILERS FOR THUNDER SAGA ONLY, DON'T LOOK IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THUNDER SAGA YET!!!! 1. Siren Song(Suffering) 2. Scylla Throat(Scylla) 3. Mutiny(Mutiny) 4. Lightning Bolt(Thunder Bringer) Jorge comfirmed these, the first 4, but he said the other ones after are spoilers for sagas after Thunder Saga and didn't share them
The background chorus says Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt, and I'm unsure of the last two, but I believe they say Run from Poseidon and Kill The Suites For Love *spoilers* I do know that ody ends up facing against Poseidon again and has an entire boss battle song with the suiters so I am confident that they're correct
GIGGLING AND KICKING MY FEET RN IM SO HAPPY THIS VIDEO EXISTS BC I JUST CAUGHT UP IN EPIC SO I WENT OVER TO THIS CHANNEL TO SEE WHAT YOU HAD UP AHHHAISAHUEJSHS
Funny how the person you’re referring to that’s in the TikTok and guessed some of the choir lyrics right is also gwendy, the same person who’s animatic you’re reacting to😂
i love the line "i see you draw your final breath" because most people would think it is talking about odysseus dying, but its not its talking about the fact that after thunder bringer he has gone past the point of no return his whole crew is dead and technically he is the reason the last of them died so its the point where he fully accepts he has become a monster and at that point there is no going back for him he will make it home at all costs even if as the Prophet says it will no longer be him that makes it home.
Ok now Jay has confirmed the choir lyrics(kind of). “Siren song, scylla’s throat, mutiny, lightning bolt” are the first 4. Don’t know what the 5th is and the 6th is a spoiler for an even later saga
So, now that the Thunder Saga is out, Jorge revealed the first four chorus lines. Listen to the Thunder Saga before you read this. They are as follows. "Siren song, Scylla throat, Mutiny, Lightning bolt." There are theories as to the last 2, and I know one of them is very true and likely considering its paired lyric from the prophet. I'm not a big fan of one of them being a theory as it wouldn't be a spoiler to me personally.
The thing i love of this song, is that every event except of the ones of the Palace can be both past and future, making the line of i see past and future running free even greater.
I know that this is probably old news but he has confirmed what the lines are in the back chorus of that one part😅 I don't remember what they are but he did confirm them and king of blood is not one of them😅😅 it was like "siren Call, Scylla's ???, Mutiny, Thunderbolt, ???????????????"😅
So, another animatic I’ve watched for this song that I absolutely love is from another creator called Krieo that had the first verse chorus being things that had already happened in act one and verse two chorus being flashes of what will happen in act two. So verse one chorus had Song of Past romance = Penelope or Cercie Sacrifice of man = Odysseus dropping the infant Portrayals of betrayal = the crew opening the bag A brother’s final stand = the death of Polites The second verse chorus is all spoilers for what is going to happen in act two but anyone who doesn’t know the Odyssey won’t know what those things mean until they actually happen. I highly recommend going and watching it.
So I don’t know if anyone else thought of this (pretty sure a lot of people might of lol) but Casper in a previous video (can’t remember which one lol) mention about a back and forth duet that would sound something Like when the piano is more bouncy when tirasia’s prophecy talks about odyssey’s place, his wife etc, to me is like a way to say odyssey’s is dancing with death not just because he and his men are in the underworld but it’s also referring to dancing with death in the future when he might have to face and fight his men or right hand man. But I’m only going by what I’ve seen in this animatic lol (potential spoilers I’m not sure if it’s true tho lol) also @Mortius and @CFReactsYT I love your guys content there so much fun to watch ❤
I think the first time he sings the prophet is actualy refeeing to the past. The later half of the song when he starts repeating the chorus is about the future. "Sacrifice of men" refering to polities at first and later refering to odysseus sacrificing 6 crew members to scylla.
I believe the words the spirits are saying are "Siren song" "Scylla throat" "Mutiny" "Lightning bolt" "Whirlpool,Poseidon" "Kill all the suitors for love" The first four are confirmed the last two or speculation of what they might be
A fun fact about the souls of the dead. Although you said they are not coming in as chorus in reference to a god. Technically they are. Within the Odyssey, Odysseus assumes that the spirit haunt him at the behest of Persephone, Queen of the Underworld to torment him. Persephone’s name is actually linked to violent death and she is also referred to by the epitaph “Dread Persephone”.
I’ve commented what my presumed hearing of the background vocals, and they’re only an assumption, but It makes sense that Jorge refuses to tell because my assumption is all lyrics that talk about what might be in the next act scenes
My interpretation is that when Tiresias says he sees "the past and future running free" is that the concept of time is completely jumbled in his head, and the chorus can very easily refer to both future and past events, especially considering how vague greek prophecies have the tendency to be. When I hear the song I tend to imagine the first chorus singing about the past and the second about the future, also I associate Polites death with the first "brother's final stand" more than "sacrifice of man"
Oh man I didn't realize until you guys mentioned that this is in 6/8 time - well, it's because Tiresias isn't exactly experiencing common time, is he? :D
I've been waiting for him to react I love his energy and the fact he explains but doesn't over pause stuff to much but also shows emotion I've been singing these to try and improve my vocal range bc I love singing but I don't have an amazing voice just yet
Mortius: I've got high hopes and high expectations... Me: *Starts singing "high high hopes for a living"* Mortius: *Sings the same damn line* Me: CUT THE CAMERAS- Took me so long to watch after the underworld (the song? the album?) reaction cause my tears would not stop!!! but i gotta catch up for the next saga!! love your reactions as always.
I have to admit, before Mortius mentioned this above, I wondered if the two choruses were each referring to different… forms? Of each prediction/vision, including PAST events as well as future, since Tiresias says he sees both. Like, I thought maybe the first one went like: Past romance: Odysseus & Penelope before Troy Sacrifice of man: Odysseus killing the infant Portrayals of betrayals: Polyphemus arguably ‘betraying’ Odysseus’ attempt at a bargain A brother’s final stand: The death of Polites Brink of death/final breath: Ruthlessness and/or their entry to the Underworld No Longer You: Foreshadowing Odysseus about to become the monster. And then the second chorus shows us the more present/future issues: Past romance: Either a flash of some of Odysseus’ more recent visions of Penelope (like when he fell asleep in KYFC), or Circe’s face (or another character I can’t name here for spoilers). Portrayals of betrayals: The men opening the bag in ‘Storm’. A brother’s final stand: Casper’s a prophet again. Brink of death/final breath: Another spoiler, so can’t say it here. No Longer You: Basically what we got here, since the ‘man with a trail of bodies’ already covers this. Also, do the red-cloaked chanting souls here remind anyone else of the ‘mea culpa’ chorus in the song ‘Hellfire’ from Disney’s H.O.N.D?
I wonder how much of the PJ universe either of these blokes have read? The Heroes of Olympus book 5 opens in Ithaca, with a certain scene that directly references something in the Odyssey… and I think Casper is correct with his remembrance. RIP Jason Grace
The thing when Casper cursed and gigis odesseus from puppeter shows up and The lil Muppet singing when Casper was talking were my two fav moments 😂❤❤(I really like your vids with Caspers reactions, you two made my day😊)
See the lyrics in this can 100% have double meaning.
He sees "past and future running free" so the "song of past romance" and "sacrifice of man" Can reference things in both act 1 and act 2. As for the betrayal and "brothers final stand" Well you'll just have to see
*laughs as someone who's read the Odyssey*
Back in school I never thought I'd get to use * laughs in Homer * as often as I have in the past few years XD
*Also laughs in someone who knows the full story of the Odyssey*
😭😭
I love that fact a book older than Jesus is now being given the (I know and you don't haha, oh I'm gonna spoil it...SIKE!hahahha) treatment
Laughs in Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid.
*"WHO"*
"... I'm not an owl" 💀😭
From the video on callbacks, Jorge said that Tiresias sees "all of time, ALL THE TIME" - he doesn't see Odysseus (also on the account of being blind) but he sees a torrent of past and future images as our boi approaches. He cannot turn those visions off. And then Tiresias tries to convey the ones he sees most clear as they fly by so fast.
Oooooh Im so excited that you chose this one! Here’s a confirmed fun fact about this animatic. The reason Tiresias looks gender neutral is because he spent multiple years as a woman as punishment from the gods
He was also asked to resolve an argument between Zeus and Hera since he had the perspective of both male and female.
He sided with Zeus, angering Hera. So Hera struck him blind. As a consolation, Zeus gave him the gift of prophesy.
Damn, Zeus thinks that was a reward?
@@jy8081 Well, he couldn't reverse his wife's curse. So, he gifted him the next best thing to the sense of vision ... future vision.
Every trans person ever: what did he do to the anger the gods, exactly??
@@nuclearbirds Most Greek stories involving the gods are this fucked up. as a mortal you never win, whatever choice you make will please one god but anger another. Like, the whole story about the Trojan war was caused by Paris favoring Aphrodite but in the process angering Hera and Athena….
Fun fact, Jorge made Tiresias' song a waltz because Tiresias is supposed to be a really old character, and Jorge wanted to give him a really old style of music.
That and since he has the gift of clairvoyance, something of divine right, that's why he has the subtle synths
His classical enunciation that these guys pointed out would fit that as well. The careful enunciation of hard consonants is very much the way people are taught to sing for older musical genres (opera, classical musical theater, etc. as opposed to rock or pop singing).
The prophet is talking about the PAST AND THE FUTURE
"I see past and future running free" all of the phrases have an event from both the past and future that fit it
“A brother’s final stand” is the only one which doesn’t have a past event
@@joescraft123it does actually, polities dies as a final stand for his Open Arms moral in the fight with the cyclops. So one of odysseus‘ Brothers takes a final stand in Akt 1
Past romance?
@@georginakosi5411 His entire relationship with Penelope is in his past. His romance with her literally only exists before the story and in his future aka the end of the story and after.
I want point out that Casper actually mentioned Tiresias before! I can't which video it was (maybe "there are other ways"?) but Casper talked about a blind prophet who's name he couldn't remember- which was Tiresias!
He prob doesn’t remember cause he’s Casper our reverse Cassandra lol!
@@J.D.onthego "Reverse Cassandra" made me snort out my coffee. Love it.
“Sirens call, King of gods, You could be, running far, from Poseidon, Kill the suiter for love” is what I hear from those unknown lyrics
I hear sirens song, King of gods, you could be , running far , from poseidon , kill the suiter for king. and I can't get it out of my head!
i hear kill the suitor for blood, which if you know what athena promises ares
I hear
Draw you sword
Save your blood
you could be
nothing more
run from Poseidon
kill all the suiters or else
I think that a few of them aren't the right ones mainly "Draw Your Sword" and "Nothing More" because Jorge said that out of these line
Silent Halls
King of Blood
You could be
nothing more
run through silent halls
kill all the suiters for love
only one is correct.
I hear:
Sold your soul
To your home
for the first two, honestly
To all who don’t know, Jorge confirmed the first four lines after the Thunder Saga released (SPOILERS):
Siren Song!
Scylla Throat!
Mutiny!
Lightning Bolt!
Anybody else notice that whenever odysseus's motif plays, Jorge is just Rick rolling his entire audience. Just sing never gonna give you up when Casper is playing the piano at the end😂
Jorge! Jorge, when I catch you, Jorge! XD
Are you serious 😭
It's my understanding that almost every line in the prophets chorus actually has a dual meaning that is designed to refer to multiple events in both the future and past events at the same time:
For example: "Song of past/passed romance" could refer to both the past Penelope romance and the 'passed' Circe romance in the previous songs at the same time.
I imagine that each time the prophet repeats the chorus he is actually referring to different events in time. First chorus (past) and second chorus (future).
Even the "no longer you" line in the first chorus can refer to how Odysseus changed between being willing to kill the infant to his interactions with Polites convincing him to try sparing Polyphemus, the act that caused Athena to leave him because he changed. (portrayal of betrayal)
that's how i always saw it too.
I love how in EPIC tiresias is al mysterious and spooky and in the odyssey he is like you messed up you killed the cyclops and told him your name you big dummy but moving forward you can be less stupid so dont do anything with the cows, you will know what I mean
Tiresias in The Odyssey: Oh you need help? Sick. Maybe write this down so you don't fuck it up. Oh, no? Ah, I'm sure you'll be fine, anyways- *super specific directions*
Tiresias in Epic: Oh you need help, do you? Nah fuck you. Decipher this, bitch- *haunting choir intensifies*
"I am the prophet with the answers you seek"
proceeds to give no answers whatsoever
Sooo..
Tiresias: bro u f-ed up, if u dont wanna get smote don't eat the damn cows
Ody: alr bet, we won't eat them
Eurylochus and the crew: **NOM NOM NOM**
Well he has the answers but just isnt gonna share them xD @@SayukiSuzukiMizuno
@@SayukiSuzukiMizuno prophets kinda be like that fr
0:14 "How dare you?" "Well, basically they dared by drawing a picture of polites dead. Like, right there, when you asked 'how dare you'...that is how. That is a perfect example of how they are daring. Silly question really."
Weather Update: Jorge actually uploaded a tiktok about what the chorus is actually saying!
What is it
Fun little speculation: At the end of the song the backing choir vocals for Tiresias's Reprise have been partially deciphered and are in order as such-
"I see you on the brink of death- (Siren's song, Sea of Blood)" - Foreshadow
"I see you draw your final breath- (You can't leave, Loving Her)" - Likely Odysseus's own fears and insecurities in that moment
"I see a man who gets to make it home alive- (Poseidon)" - Poseidon is drawn out but it's also a callback to ruthlessness and underworld
The next choir chant picks up just before "But it's no longer you." and sounds akin to "He will kill suitors for love." - Foreshadowing
and finally during his fall and Tiresias's exit one can hear Odysseus's name extremely drawn out until the songs decresendo.
The "You can't leave, loving her" also could be referring to Calipso
@@ZackMer937 Very very true
So “kill suitors for love “is the correct lyric I guess
@@Waffily78 That's what I was thinking, but sea of blood seems soooo close
I heard that back up as “You will hear nothing more”, referring to how oracles are not in control of the lines of the prophecies that they deliver no matter how much or in what way the querent (person asking the question) asks.
Love Mortius jamming and then boom Polites 😂
The happiness of polites will haunt them for ever
So of note, the Red Specters standing behind Tiresias is actually a reference to Ancient Greek Theater itself, where often times, usually with scenes that involve profits, there is hooded figures singing the chorus, either unable to se their faces or wearing masks to shove some gravitas to it. I remember seeing much mention of it in the Oedipus screenplay as well during that prophets scene, so it's very much thematic to have it animated like this and I am 100% willing to bet that it will be a thing when this show goes to Broadway some day
Yeah... This animatic is very blatant about what the prophet actually means. It's like reading a Percy Jackson book but the prophesy has a cheat sheet next to it explaining the actual meaning of each line. I really like Ximena's because it stays a bit vague about what it actually means and doesn't reveal the true meaning. It's also just amazing in a bunch of other ways. I'd absolutely recommend checking it out even if you don't make a video reacting to it.
That motif is also at the end of "Remember Them" when Odysseus says "I'm the reigning king of Ithica"
I absolutely love that Gigi's pfp was used to block out the curse words hahahaha
Honestly, the prophet could actually be singing about both past and future - so Gwendy's interpretation could still be valid
All animatics of this song are full of act 2 spoilers because it's a prophet so make sense. Also theres an animatic made by krieo that is great because the first chorus there's things from the past, and the second chorus there's stuff from the future with the same lyrics. If you don't mind spoilers then it wouldbe a great watch
The visions are simultaneously past and future, Tiresias says he sees past and future running free. The sacrifice of man is about Polites, and all the other men lost so far, and also about future sacrifices.
fun fact; what you've identified as what (I presume) is the monster motif, also appears earlier in the musical- during the end of survive when odysseus goes "im the reigning king of ithaca" etc, the men in the background are singing this motif!!
The cool thing about this song is that Jorge purposely made the prophecy about Odysseus's Past AND Future. In order, Tiresias is speaking about the following; Peneleope/ The Sirens, the fight against Polyphemus/ Scylla, the Crews past and future betrayals of trust, and the lost of both Polities and Eurylochus. Sooo good!!!
Felt it in my soul, knew they were gonna do that animatic. 😭 Excited to watch this video, but also manifesting that you check out Ximena's version as well. 💕
I agree. Ximena's version is peak.
Yess, that one is my favourite, sad no one ever checks it out :(
There is a game called Stray Gods: The Roleplaying Musical (on steam)
Its a choose your adventure styled musical where you pick the mood/style for the ongoing song and essentially its a musical with alteast 3 main variations. Ofcourse the goal is for the musical to evolve how you want it.
I seriously don’t know who this mason (the editor) is but i love him so much his edits are funny and cool 😭♥️
Magicmason1000 is the editor. He’s amazing. He also has his own channel.
I’d definitely spend the rest of eternity being this guy’s backup singer.
Real
... I mean, what else are songs hanging around the Underworld meant to do if not be backup vocalists?
SPOILERS FOR ACT 2
Speaking of Oddyseus returning home, there's the song not released yet called "King" that takes the line of "i see your palace, covered in red, faces of men, who have long believed you're dead"
The song is renamed to "Odysseus" to better fit the naming scheme of songs like Polyphemus, Scylla, and Charibdis
@@aadityayanamandra8846Wish they hadn't, "King" is still fitting and doesn't give it away so quickly who the threat is.
@@TailsFan Nah, I like the change. Brings him in line with the other "monsters," given the song is primarily from the suitors' perspective.
@@aadityayanamandra8846 I guess I just think that for someone new to it that hasn't been spoiled on the demos it's kind of a dead giveaway that he's the threat in the song before the song actually says his name.
@@TailsFan I mean, fair enough I guess? To be entirely fair, I think knowing the song titles in and of itself is kind of a spoiler.
Oh my god I just realised the monster motiv you're talking about at the end is also being sung by the soldiers when Odysseus is doxing himself in Remember them. Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
Thinking back to 'keep your friends close' when Odysseus was pleading with the dream version of Penelope, "so much has changed but I'm the same. Yes I'm the same"
"but it's no longer you"
makes you wonder
I've always liked to view the prophet's "I see a song of past romance. I see the sacrifice of man." etc lines as mentions to both the past AND future. Tiresias sees both, so I like to think that he uses the same words to describe different events; some that have already happened and some that are still yet to come.
Maybe I could recommend checking out Krieo's No Longer You animatic as an alternative, cuz for the first chorus, it uses Act I events, while for the second, it uses Act II
Would also highly recommend Ximena's version
What do you mean act 2 isn't coming out soon?! IT'S COMING OUT ON JULY 4th?!
LISTEN we recorded that a while ago 🤣
Yeah they didn't know when it would be released because Jorge hadn't released the trailer for the Thunder Saga until after they'd recorded this.
@officialmortius can you do god games plz
@@matthewthesnowman1753 How did you get to the finale of a reaction series without understanding how blind reactions work 🤔
@officialmortius Some people have limited cognitive abilities, but then again I was also having a dumb brain moment myself yesterday when I asked if y'all would be avoiding the snippets for Act Two, so I'm just as guilty lol.
I love the imagery during the final Chorus. The Cloaked Red figures remind me so much of Hellfire from Disney's Hunchback.
actually act 2 the thunder saga is coming on none other then July 4th. I know you recorded this a while ago but its coming. I am sure you guys might have already recorded some part of hanimations already and it will come on youtube later. I cant wait to see this and monster reaction. To bad hades never showed up so CF could see real hades instead of wet hades
The real Hades wouldn’t be wet hades, it would be thirst hades, because with all these talented animators I don’t think there would be anyone immune to simping over the underworld god
Revolution Hades up next
LMFAO
@@CasperFox holy shit i didn't expect the Casper Inquisition
That monster motif you mentioned. It was in Remember Them, when Odysseus is doxxing himself. The background vocals follow those notes exactly.
Remember me
(Ooooooooh)
Gwendy was the one who made the TikTok of guessing what the background voices said btw 15:10
14:18 Casper is so adorable knowing he is right but can't tell mortius!
I won’t be able to join in on the Premiere, but I can’t wait to watch this!
The motif you guys are discussing at the end, that comes from Remember Them! It's first sung in the background at the end while Odysseus doxxes himself lol
I think that the animations have it of past events makes it better as it shows what is going through his mind trying to make sense of that the prophet is saying without context Behind what he is saying which leads into his rage of WHO.
I love how it is the same every song: "You ready?" "Yeah." (NO), total emotional breakdown after some time and Mortius just going "YEAH.", it's just wonderful
The visuals during "I see you on the brink of death, i see you draw your final breath" are the same as the trailer for the upcoming Thunder saga.
O.G GWENDY IS THE TRUE PROPHET
OMFG THE GIGI “what?!” CENSOR!!! It’s amazing!!!😂😂😂
Also something I learned, the ghosts behind the prophet in the last verse are saying “Siren Song” “Scylla Throat” “Mutany” and “Lightning Bolt” foreshadowing the entirety of the next Saga
I wonder if the first chorus is referring to the past - the iliad - and then the second chorus is referring to the future (the second act, to avoid spoilers). Jorge mentioned in one vid that the prophet is overwhelmed by past and future all at once...
So basically the the chorus at the end is foreshadowing what happens in the next Saga they are saying; Siren Song, sylla throat, lightning bolt, Poseidon and kill all your suitors for love
Ooh what if the backing vocal lines re-appear in a song in act 2 and that's why Jorge is keeping quiet about what the words are right now?
I WAS DAMN CLOSE
Just in case this isn't already known, the First bit of act 2 is suppose to drop July 4th. Can't wait to see it, as well as your reaction
I like to think that the first time the "Prophet song" is said it's referring to the past, while the Second time when He's answering Ody's question He's talking about events to come
It fits well with the "I see past and future running free" Lyric
Idk if anyone else has said this but I think the “man who is haunting” is still Odysseus after his voyage. If you know the source material he certainly has a trail of bodies. Therefore, “a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you” is Odysseus after he becomes “the monster” and is unrecognisable from the man who set off from Ithica
Jorge did share almost the full song title/saga list at one point, except for two mystery song, that is not part of the original Odyssey story, but will be part of Epic only. (We will hear them on july 4th in Thunder Saga)
There are also so many amazing snippets of future songs, including both of those scenarios that Mortius and Casper talked about in their future speculations.
You can't blame them for assuming some of the lyrics were focused on the past.
Oh I don't blame them at all, I said the same thing in my solo reaction :)
the chorus of souls sounds like it opens with "silence all" "say no more" to me but ive also listened to this song an unhealthy amount of times and may be going insane
Does anyone remember mr Peabody and Sherman, did you know Odysseus is in there too(in the trojan war part), but Odysseus there is a little bit different from epic animatics badass Odysseus 🙂🙂🙂
Just search and you will understand
Omg it’s so funny! I rewatched Mr. Peabody and Sherman and it was so funny when Agamemnon turns to lil’ Ody
I know right
OH! Little fun fact! There is a TikTok that someone posted that Jorge himself made another TikTok about. It talks about the chorus of the souls and what they’re saying!
“Siren song”
“Scylla throat”
“Mutiny”
“Lightning bolt”
“Run from Poseidon”
“Kill all the suitors for love!”
Btw, incase you haven't seen it, the first 4 of lines of the background vocals have been comfirmed, and don't worry, they are not spoilers(Unless you have not seen thunder saga), the first 4 are refering to thunder saga
SPOILERS FOR THUNDER SAGA ONLY, DON'T LOOK IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THUNDER SAGA YET!!!!
1. Siren Song(Suffering)
2. Scylla Throat(Scylla)
3. Mutiny(Mutiny)
4. Lightning Bolt(Thunder Bringer)
Jorge comfirmed these, the first 4, but he said the other ones after are spoilers for sagas after Thunder Saga and didn't share them
Winions, be careful. The last time people gave in to curiousity and tried to see what was in the bag 557 men died.
The background chorus says Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt, and I'm unsure of the last two, but I believe they say Run from Poseidon and Kill The Suites For Love
*spoilers*
I do know that ody ends up facing against Poseidon again and has an entire boss battle song with the suiters so I am confident that they're correct
GIGGLING AND KICKING MY FEET RN IM SO HAPPY THIS VIDEO EXISTS BC I JUST CAUGHT UP IN EPIC SO I WENT OVER TO THIS CHANNEL TO SEE WHAT YOU HAD UP AHHHAISAHUEJSHS
Funny how the person you’re referring to that’s in the TikTok and guessed some of the choir lyrics right is also gwendy, the same person who’s animatic you’re reacting to😂
I learned that after the fact, what are the odds??
i love the line "i see you draw your final breath" because most people would think it is talking about odysseus dying, but its not its talking about the fact that after thunder bringer he has gone past the point of no return his whole crew is dead and technically he is the reason the last of them died so its the point where he fully accepts he has become a monster and at that point there is no going back for him he will make it home at all costs even if as the Prophet says it will no longer be him that makes it home.
Ok now Jay has confirmed the choir lyrics(kind of). “Siren song, scylla’s throat, mutiny, lightning bolt” are the first 4.
Don’t know what the 5th is and the 6th is a spoiler for an even later saga
Tiresias really said "Hey you're gonna come home but that ain't you" and did the skeletor meme run
The soul chorus in the backround is "siren song" "lightning bolt" "throat of scylla" "King of blood" and I'm pretty sure "fear of love"
So, now that the Thunder Saga is out, Jorge revealed the first four chorus lines. Listen to the Thunder Saga before you read this.
They are as follows. "Siren song, Scylla throat, Mutiny, Lightning bolt." There are theories as to the last 2, and I know one of them is very true and likely considering its paired lyric from the prophet. I'm not a big fan of one of them being a theory as it wouldn't be a spoiler to me personally.
Sorry if I’m spoiling anything for you guys, but the next saga is coming out very soon
They know😂 that was recorded a WHILE ago
Yep, they're both already aware.
Dudes dodging spoilers for a 3000 year old book
The little riff at the end is what the soldiers sang in remember them
Not me wanting to wake up at 4AM for the actual premiere of this 😭
7:39 Past? It’s the underworld. And in the underworld your past is never far behind….
The thing i love of this song, is that every event except of the ones of the Palace can be both past and future, making the line of i see past and future running free even greater.
you'll need a possibility of a "Polities Warning" in the future for your own sake XD
I know that this is probably old news but he has confirmed what the lines are in the back chorus of that one part😅 I don't remember what they are but he did confirm them and king of blood is not one of them😅😅 it was like "siren Call, Scylla's ???, Mutiny, Thunderbolt, ???????????????"😅
So, another animatic I’ve watched for this song that I absolutely love is from another creator called Krieo that had the first verse chorus being things that had already happened in act one and verse two chorus being flashes of what will happen in act two.
So verse one chorus had
Song of Past romance = Penelope or Cercie
Sacrifice of man = Odysseus dropping the infant
Portrayals of betrayal = the crew opening the bag
A brother’s final stand = the death of Polites
The second verse chorus is all spoilers for what is going to happen in act two but anyone who doesn’t know the Odyssey won’t know what those things mean until they actually happen.
I highly recommend going and watching it.
7:48 "i though we were done" about polites after listening to Wisdom Saga makes this so much more funny like ooh boy
So I don’t know if anyone else thought of this (pretty sure a lot of people might of lol) but Casper in a previous video (can’t remember which one lol) mention about a back and forth duet that would sound something Like when the piano is more bouncy when tirasia’s prophecy talks about odyssey’s place, his wife etc, to me is like a way to say odyssey’s is dancing with death not just because he and his men are in the underworld but it’s also referring to dancing with death in the future when he might have to face and fight his men or right hand man. But I’m only going by what I’ve seen in this animatic lol (potential spoilers I’m not sure if it’s true tho lol) also @Mortius and @CFReactsYT I love your guys content there so much fun to watch ❤
I think the first time he sings the prophet is actualy refeeing to the past. The later half of the song when he starts repeating the chorus is about the future.
"Sacrifice of men" refering to polities at first and later refering to odysseus sacrificing 6 crew members to scylla.
To me for the background vocals all I can depict is one of the verses saying you’re the king-the king of blood.
Dude, the monster motif discovery is blowing my mind! 🤯
I believe the words the spirits are saying are
"Siren song"
"Scylla throat"
"Mutiny"
"Lightning bolt"
"Whirlpool,Poseidon"
"Kill all the suitors for love"
The first four are confirmed the last two or speculation of what they might be
A fun fact about the souls of the dead. Although you said they are not coming in as chorus in reference to a god. Technically they are.
Within the Odyssey, Odysseus assumes that the spirit haunt him at the behest of Persephone, Queen of the Underworld to torment him.
Persephone’s name is actually linked to violent death and she is also referred to by the epitaph “Dread Persephone”.
The lyrics are BOTH! Past and future running free ;)
I’ve commented what my presumed hearing of the background vocals, and they’re only an assumption, but It makes sense that Jorge refuses to tell because my assumption is all lyrics that talk about what might be in the next act scenes
Am I the only one that hears
Sold your soul
To you home
for the first two?
My interpretation is that when Tiresias says he sees "the past and future running free" is that the concept of time is completely jumbled in his head, and the chorus can very easily refer to both future and past events, especially considering how vague greek prophecies have the tendency to be.
When I hear the song I tend to imagine the first chorus singing about the past and the second about the future, also I associate Polites death with the first "brother's final stand" more than "sacrifice of man"
Oh man I didn't realize until you guys mentioned that this is in 6/8 time - well, it's because Tiresias isn't exactly experiencing common time, is he? :D
Dammit I was hoping you two would watch the animatic for this song by Ximena Natzel. It might be the best EPIC animatic out there.
I've been waiting for him to react I love his energy and the fact he explains but doesn't over pause stuff to much but also shows emotion I've been singing these to try and improve my vocal range bc I love singing but I don't have an amazing voice just yet
Mortius: I've got high hopes and high expectations...
Me: *Starts singing "high high hopes for a living"*
Mortius: *Sings the same damn line*
Me: CUT THE CAMERAS-
Took me so long to watch after the underworld (the song? the album?) reaction cause my tears would not stop!!! but i gotta catch up for the next saga!! love your reactions as always.
Fun fact: if you look at Jorge's newest short or around newest he reveals what they are singing in the backround
I have to admit, before Mortius mentioned this above, I wondered if the two choruses were each referring to different… forms? Of each prediction/vision, including PAST events as well as future, since Tiresias says he sees both.
Like, I thought maybe the first one went like:
Past romance: Odysseus & Penelope before Troy
Sacrifice of man: Odysseus killing the infant
Portrayals of betrayals: Polyphemus arguably ‘betraying’ Odysseus’ attempt at a bargain
A brother’s final stand: The death of Polites
Brink of death/final breath: Ruthlessness and/or their entry to the Underworld
No Longer You: Foreshadowing Odysseus about to become the monster.
And then the second chorus shows us the more present/future issues:
Past romance: Either a flash of some of Odysseus’ more recent visions of Penelope (like when he fell asleep in KYFC), or Circe’s face (or another character I can’t name here for spoilers).
Portrayals of betrayals: The men opening the bag in ‘Storm’.
A brother’s final stand: Casper’s a prophet again.
Brink of death/final breath: Another spoiler, so can’t say it here.
No Longer You: Basically what we got here, since the ‘man with a trail of bodies’ already covers this.
Also, do the red-cloaked chanting souls here remind anyone else of the ‘mea culpa’ chorus in the song ‘Hellfire’ from Disney’s H.O.N.D?
I just had a brain blast about what "a song of past romance" means, and I think Imeed a moment to process. Can't wait to see them eventually realize
First song in three fourths?
"tiiiiime, ive unlocked it~🎶"
Funny you say that *laughs as act 2 came out just last night*
I wonder how much of the PJ universe either of these blokes have read? The Heroes of Olympus book 5 opens in Ithaca, with a certain scene that directly references something in the Odyssey… and I think Casper is correct with his remembrance.
RIP Jason Grace
The thing when Casper cursed and gigis odesseus from puppeter shows up and The lil Muppet singing when Casper was talking were my two fav moments 😂❤❤(I really like your vids with Caspers reactions, you two made my day😊)