@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 The british army in the Zulu-war lost a confict, because they had a lot of ammo, but didn't gave it out past enough. These logistic people were surely pointing at to much ammo in the wrong hands and this is a typical problem in Ukrainian defence positions, that a weapon broke down and this ammo is no longer of any use.
I only stockpile sp and hp, sure I would use fmj if it's what I have, but that's what I use for practice, the rest is for hunting or if I have to defense, the 5.56 is far more effective with expanding/fragmenting ammo, I even stockpile my 7.62x39 in sp.
@@TexHoss1 Your absolutely right, but unless we get to shtf situation, I still want to put the energy into the bad guy, not through him and into a friendly or innocent, especially when talking about handgun rounds.
@BawStop Dat Getting pinned down ends you. I would E&E from the base in a moment . Only a fool locks himself in the target. The trick is that the intended is now fluid and the attackers are now contained. Almost all are trained as the advantaged, few are trained how to win as the disadvantaged. Most of the roving bands will be concentrating on raping robbing and pillaging and therefore will have no discipline. Vlad in the 1400's used the right tactics to get a point across.
My wife recently asked me how much ammo and reloading supplies we had. I said, with typical range time, three years, if we ration it, 12 years, if it is the wrong weekend, 72 hours.
The biggest problem I see is the cost. When I put $100+ a week in the car and groceries and the price of ammo, My bank is broken. I think a lot of people have this problem.
Yep, that's why I've been collecting ammo for years, it almost hurts when I shoot ammo that I paid 20 cents a round for knowing how much it will cost to replace.
Agree but the importance & uncertainty I allocate monies for all 3 you mentioned Don't eat out vacation party etc so I'm covered - tight but I can still buy a set of Nittos for my truck so my cutback is range time but it still happens ...(replace+ the ammo) And been putting off a TLR Laser for my G29 but it's coming up 👍
Everything is tight nowadays, I myself put in my budget to buy 9mm, 5.7x28, & 5.56 rounds once a month.... Just had to cut back on some of the other extras.... All together now "SACRIFICE"
There are two kinds of people that find their neighbor has 40K stacked. 1) report them as domestic terrorist/ insurrectionists or 2) welcome to my new best friend. We need to be behind every blade of grass.
Reminds me of my friend Greg. His ammo room is 15' x 18' and stacked roof with .223, 12ga, 9mm, .38, .357, 22lr, .308 and a few others. Easily 10-15k rounds of each. Much more on the smaller stuff. I remember a few years ago during the 22 shortage he hooked me up with 6,000 rds or 22, 200 9mm and 300rds of .223 like it was free.
That's right. Until the recent peaceful protest and police stand downs I wasn't overly concerned about stockpiling THEN I never thought I'd see such a shift with a placement Communist puppet government & Left MSM internet like we have today .... I approach every day now like SHTF mentality since flash mobs / random violence is protected & encouraged...... 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Never ever stop buying ammo. Even if you think or believe you have plenty, get more at every opportunity you can. You never know what the threat may be, especially in an shtf. And you never know when ammo may never be available.
Never stockpile all your ammo or pew-pews in one place. If you have to relocate to a back-up SHTF location, just try moving severial thousand rounds of ammo.
An interesting anecdote to keep in mind. Onoda Hiroo, the Japanese intelligence officer that didn't come out of the jungles of Lubang until 1974, after two of his best friends perished and one surrendered over the years, had 700 rounds (to my recollection of from his auto biography) of 7.7x58 for his Type 99 at the very beginning. He surrendered 500 rounds. You can function and still fight for 30 years so long as you're diligent. If I remember correctly, towards the end, a lot of the rounds had started to show major signs of degradation due to the climate of Lubang.
@michael brown He was searched for many many times and engaged the locals often with his beacon fire raids. Killed a lot of civillians with him, Shimada, and Kozuka. Akatsu abandoned them after the first uhhhh five years? He was the only survivor as the others were killed by police.
@michael brown He was still hunted, but it was more to just get him to come out and finally surrender. Over the years he was constantly dodging patrols. He finally came out due to a chance encounter with a man named Suzuki who found him, and then Suzuki getting one of Onoda’s former superiors to show up and relieve him of duty. In an SHTF opsec is important. It isn’t about having the stuff. It’s about concealing your presence completely, with community of course. People are generally loud and not conscious of the give always they have that they exist. Anyone who is concerned about SHTF should read the book he wrote after surrendering.
US Army Basic Combat Load is 7x 30-rd Mags 210 rounds. Three Pistol magazines (1911 = 21 rds or Beretta M9 = 45rds). One magazine in the rifle, 3 mags in each of two pouches.
No argument on a soldier's base load .. the thing to remember is that they organized resupply via company supply sergeant or battalion S4 .. we will not
I have a Remington model 783 chambered in 300 Winchester magnum. With a 20×50 scope I intend to eliminate threats long before they get to my door. I have well over 4,000 rounds
When they send a drone in for recon, that full choke upland bird gun and #4 buck works real well. The smart and well equipped will be using them. Less risk in the recon.
This question is, although interesting, a very difficult one to answer. Why? Consider the myriad of different scenarios everyone will encounter in a total societal collapse . Do you bug-in or bug-out? What is the threat level in your particular area or the area you are planning to move to? What is the potential for violence along your bug-out route of travel? What's the potential for violence if you opt to remain in place? How many people are in your group? And of even greater importance, how many are proficient enough in the use of at least one of the firearms to be effective as a deterrent to any situation that would call for ammo usage? It's easy to say there can never be enough ammunition, but I think that ultimately there has to be a realistic balance between necessities such as food, water, clothing, shelter, multiple tools for fire starting, tools of various types, toiletries, etc. If one has been prepping for many years, then maybe a cache of ammunition that is in the tens of thousands of rounds is reasonable and well thought out. Most people, however, probably just don't have the means for that much. Let us pray that this particular question never needs to actually be answered.
How much ammo one needs is a very simple question. One only needs enough ammo to "acquire" more and be able to move without requiring a forklift. This shit isn't brain surgery y'all. Commonsense should always prevail. Multiple combat tours taught me all that I need to know
Yea but this video wasn’t made for you, it was made to help others that are not dumb enough to think they can’t learn anything more from someone else’s experience…..! Are your nuts always that numb…?
Try swimming with a few thousand rds. ;) However, in my case, as a pilot, should the acft be on FIRE* I'm going to bail out or eject depending on acft type and whether or not I'm able to get the fire under control or extinguish it. *There are other emergencies that also necessitate abandoning the acft.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 You’re not a target when you’re trading within your Militia group. If you’re planning on holding down your fort by yourself, then you’re the easy target.
Edible food, clean water and/or the ability to purify it along with Rx meds are priorities since finding them when needed is often difficult to impossible. As is living without them. Spend a few years in 3rd world countries after natural disasters and you'll learn the true meaning of SHTF. I speak from experience. Btw, we're gun owners, including Title 2 (NFA) firearms. That said, there are many things I'd trade a firearm or ammo for in some situations. You can't eat ammo and sometimes hunting simply isn't feasible unless one can tolerate rat meat and doesn't mind the associated health risks. However, if hungry enough you'll eat nearly anything.
1000 rounds of 556, 1000 shotgun rounds of various loads, and as many .22s as you can afford. .22lr will be the bread and butter in a true SHTF situation.
As a mainly shotgun shooter i always have over 20000 ctgs in my house that being said majority are clay loads about 15000. But i easily shoot 400-500 a week
Idk if 1k is enough. Maybe if u had a reloding press but i feel like for intermediate rounds and battle rifle rounds should be at a minimum of double digit thousands and varmints/22 rounds in the triple to even millions. You never know if the millitary will be deployed, so i say be prepared to fight a well armed combatant that has ground and air superiority.
@@waynegroves6922 And I feel I don't have enough of .22LR at about 28,000 rounds but I don't get to shoot that much anymore either and still buy a box of some type of ammo when I can !! I really want to amp up my 9 mm supply !!! And my most favorite caliber is .38s&w but that is so dang high can't afford it no more at over a dollar a bullet if you can find it !!!
Realistically you really need as much ammo for each gun as you would ever expect to shoot for the lifetime of the weapon. Because tomorrow might be the last day you will ever have the chance to buy. Anyone remember the 22lr dry-up of a few years ago? If it didn't come back after 3-4 years what you had was all you would ever have...forever. Act accordingly. I learned a valuable lesson then and now keep a MINIMUM of 12,000rds of 22lr on hand. More if possible. Rifle, pistol, shotgun, doesn't matter. Get as much ammo as you can possible get plus 10,000rds and you will have a decent start. Just remember all ammo could completely dry up overnight and what you have might be all you will ever have. This also holds true for spare parts, magazines etc. I'd also highly recommend having multiple ammo/weapon catches.
Best thing to do is reload and lots of it for each caliber you have. I'm lucky I've got a small range in my backyard and we shoot all the time including the kid's and grandkids. If anything goes down here we are ready. We also stock pile food as well. Be smart everyone and be safe..
I reload everything but .22LR, 12g, or 7.62x54r. I've decided it's cheaper and easier, not to bother with those ones. Everything else my progressive press turns out!
News did a story of a police raid. They called it an arsenal and a stockpile of ammo. I take more guns and ammo to the range to practice than they showed.
I hear you, up here in Kanuckistan, Castro JR is going to try to impose limits on how much we can store. I think I'd be good on store bought ammo. but I'm screwed because I reload.
I'm more concerned with how much coffee I'll be able to get when shtf. I guess I'll need how ever many rounds it will take to aquire the coffee every time.
Beat it ask yourself is life even worth living at that point . Your best bet is the good lord takes you instead of the disease and living hell you will be in . In all reality a nuclear weapon is the real Shtf and at that point I will gladly stand in front of it if I can’t out run it . All your water food soil is radiation you will be dead in weeks with extreme suffering . Quit living in a phantasy world and looking forward to battle .
For me: 1000 rnd per platform for practice and defense. I have over 20k rnds in 22, 9mm, 38 special, 357 mag, 45, 223/5.56, 6.5CM, 20GA & 12GA I prefer 10 mags per platform minimum. I slowly acquired it while still shooting, just establish a budget and get there in time.
My advice is to Buy or reload your own ammo as often as you can, and, NEVER shoot up more than 10% of the ammo you purchase or load. Practice with up to 10% only after you make a New purchase. Keep 90% or more of all newly purchased ammo and keep it properly stored. Put away money each month for ammo purchases and look for any sales on ammo that you can buy in bulk. Keep your ammo supply growing. That's my advice.
Subbed. I remember a few years back thinking a thousand per gun was alot and awesome 😂 now I have trouble figuring out where to keep putting it. Which is a good problem to have
Ammo needs are situational. If you're going to have to bug out, whether immediately or down the road, there's no point in wasting money on massive amounts of ammo that you can't transport when it's time to go unless you're confident you'll reach a predetermined location where you can safely stockpile without worry of theft prior to any possible situation. If you live in a rural area, there's no such thing as too much ammo.
@@michaelphillips3123 They don't understand much of anything based on these videos and the responses. They're irrational and emotional responses never let them think with logic and rationale. Just like all the City Prepping channel videos. Telling people to stockpile over a years worth of food. If SHTF and you live in a city, the collapse will have exceeded to the point of death or being forced to bug out as the riots and home invasions start long before you need that much food and you can't take it all with you, same as ammo. If people were truly concerned about SHTF, they'd sell everything and move to a rural area.
People are deluded about their chances if there's a total breakdown of society. You won't need years of supplies unless you've got a secure and isolated compound, and a lot of people to defend it. You need a couple of months of supplies, and a few hundred rounds of a few calibers like 9mm, 5.56. and 22. There's no point stockpiling absolutely thousands if you aren't already in a fortress you won't have to abandon.
@@Darkpara1 Mostly agree, though there are some isolated rural areas, particular on mountains, where defense would be fairly easy with a small handful of people due to very limited approach options. There's no point in stockpiling a year of anything if you live in a city/town at all. You're screwed no matter what.
For what’s coming I recommend that every household has their own gun manufacturing facility and ammo factory and of course warehouses full of raw materials and infrastructure and energy sources to keep everything running
I think the worst place for a fire fight is your front door. Keep a reasonable amount of ammo at the residence and disperse the rest of what you can afford in different locations. You can only shoot one weapon at a time (maybe some folks can shoot two) but realistically only one. A rifle, a pistol and a shotgun for each person is adequate with about 150 rounds for each at the residence. More at alternate sites. There is no formula, there is no minimum, there is only what you can afford and potentially transport from residence to site or site to site. If you are rich and can afford it, get whatever quantity makes you feel secure. If you can't get to a range and live fire, practice at home loading and unloading, breakdown and assembly and a good book on survival, medical treatment and tactics would be real handy. However you acquire your skills, you must maintain familiarity on the operation and use of each type of weapon. Download videos on these subjects and review periodically. If a firefight does occur, first and foremost is to try and exit. No shame in escape. Fight as the last resort.
yeah multiple locations. Dude, some of us are young enough we cant even get more than one house. How are you expecting us to store shit in any place other than our homes when WE CANT EVEN AFFORD OUR CURRENT 1 HOUSE IN THIS ECONOMY??
The idea is to use multiple locations so if you do have to leave your home you won't have to transport a bulk of ammo and you won't lose your whole stash. Maybe network with friends or find a remote location and just bury a few hundred rounds your property or not.
The best spare parts kit for a firearm, is another firearm, preferably of the same caliber, and really preferable of the same make and model so that you can cannibalize parts. When a friend of family member comes over and you need them to help, one cannot hand them a spare parts kit; but handing them a working firearm might just be welcome.. IF one firearm fails, at least you can immediately grab the spare.. The best spare parts kits for your magazines- well, is another set of magazines. Magazines are the Achilles heel of any firearm that uses magazines, especially semi-automatics. Ammo-- stored properly -is one thing; having extra is always a boon. It'll be worth more than money soon enough. The elephant in the room - is everything else that you need to survive. Food. Water.. shelter.. Medical supplies.. Personal supplies.. Having firearms, magazines, and ammo is one thing, but without food, water, other supplies, well, game over..
Having multiple same make/model hand guns, keeps it simple for having extra mags - they all fit. I always purchase extra mags with each hand gun. I want to have at least 4 mags (1 in the gun & 3 ready to use). I also like to limit the calibers I use (.22LR, 9mm, .223, .308 & 12ga - yes, these are the most common rounds & should be easy to find during SHTF). I can have multiple firearms, but the ammo can be used across several of them, even if the mags don't fit from one to the other
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 This is really kinda a dumb comment we see a lot in the prepper/firearms community. Implying that you could just go out a threaten or kill other people that have what you need. I know people aren't talking about trading ammo for other things... sooo whatever but realistically we all aren't going to be going out in a shtf acting rambo. The smart thing will be to bunker down in your own home and live off your rations. Ul just increase ur likelyhood of getting urself killed by going out with ur setup "looking for food/water". Myself, I dont have enough ammo its true. 1000 rds .223, 1000 rds 7.62x39, maybe 200 rds 9mm, plus other calibers but I got also a medium-high stock of food, water, ham radio, batteries, generator, fuel, medical, etc. Balancing the preps. I dont have a ton of everything. We don't know when shtf will actually occur so we have to live life in a sorta balance. Biggest thing I can suggest to people is just get out of debt, budget, try to earn more money with a new job or get a side hustle and you will have more money to spend on all this stuff plus actually living life and having fun...its what I'm trying to do.. Thanks for the vid!
Unless you live within a compound, these numbers are very unrealistic and very impractical. It is good to be prepared, but remember in the most dire shtf scenarios, you're only going to be able to take what you can carry on you.
10-4, ammo, water, rations, and gear, 60 pounds feels a lot heavier after a few hours. Go hunt pheasants for 8 hours and see how that 870 Wingmaster and one box of 12 guage feels.
Doesn't seem to me like his video is made under the pretense of bugging out. he clearly states at the beginning that he's talking about a home defense situation. Bugging out to the middle of the mountains with your family is not at all practical. In most cases, if you live in a rural area, your best bet is to stay put and have a well thought out property defense plan as well as a neighborhood defense plan as long as your neighbors aren't woke commies.
@@MassholeMachinist You completely missed the point. As I stated, in most dire SHTF scenarios, most people will not be staying in their homes. They will be on the Run, like most everyone else. Think about it, those who have stockpiled food, guns, supplies... they are big targets! They will be the first to be taken out by the mob. And trust me, when there is no longer law enforcement, the mob will rule. They will take what they want regardless of the consequences. And neighbors will turn against Neighbors. When people's children are starving, they will become part of the mob themselves. So again... you can only take as much ammo as you can carry with you!
You can also cache ammo in areas as well, you don't have to carry everything with you, it's not Armageddon yet, you can still drive around freely and bury whatever you like.
If a true SHTF situation happened and continued for an extended period, extra ammo is better to have than gold, because you can readily trade it for other things you might be running out of. And the quantities exchanged can be quite small, so you don't have to worry about cutting up gold coins like the old 'pieces of 8'.
In theory, perhaps. In reality if you need X then chances are so do most others and therefore some (or many) may not be willing to bargain. Btw, I learned as a child that ammo is chewy and not really edible. ;)
Think you're about as right as can be on your guidelines for minimum on hand ammo. I also liked what someone in the comments said about hiding ammo around in different places. That way if you get forced out of your primary location you can resupply elsewhere. I've been thinking a lot like what is said in the video for a good while now, but I also pray it doesn't come that. 🙏
Stock pile as much as possible for as many calibers as possible. Buy or make water tight containers to hide (buried) around where you can because you can hopefully always make it back k to them at later date. Of course you need to keep several hundred rounds readily available.
I carry those cmmg 22 AR conversion kits they're great for small game. 22 is also lot easier to carry a bunch of. 1 rifle, 2 calibers. 10.5" AR with 1-6x - 4 mags of 556 and 500 22lr is my load out. Small, light, sensible.
I've been Prepping for many many years, but I probably don't have enough ammo. Being retired, it's difficult to purchase a lot of ammo. Be safe my friends.
How much ammo do you need for SHTF...simple answer...ALL YOU CAN GET AND STORE. While in the bush or away from home, never underestimate a .22LR for taking down four legged or two legged animals...It's great backup for your primary weapon. And you can carry more ammo than any other caliber.
If you actually survive a gun fight. Be sure to grab the firearms and ammo from those you were fighting. If SHTF? You may not be able to readily get back to your supply. You will need to resupply from those you were fighting or defending against. Marines standard battle load is seven mags. 210 rounds.
You can never have enough ammo. I believe that stocking up on spare parts for your firearms is also a good idea. (For AR-15s, I would say 2 spare BCGs for each, 2 full spare lower parts kits for each one. Heck, complete uppers with BCGs already installed wouldn't be a bad idea. As long as you sight each individual upper in.) Also, in my opinion, optics that require batteries are a big no-no. Unless you keep fresh batteries stocked and have some sort of back up option that doesn't require battery power to work (For example, iron sights).
To much ain’t enough ! I would rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it ! Sad thing is we should never have to worry about it . We should be well takin care of from all the service members from all of our family’s that have paid the ultimate price for our freedom . All the taxes we paid and pay this country should be so well defended that a lot of things in the last 25 years shouldn’t happened .
If you plan to have this much ammo, I definitely advise loading your own rounds. The scale of the ammo you’re stocking up on justifies it significantly. You’d save a thousand dollars or more.
You also may want to tune at least one of your guns to run what's most common. I see a lot of people building rifles for 68gr-77gr Match Kings. How much of that are you likely to find after the balloon goes up? It will behoove you to have at least one gun ready to run 55grs. Same with AR-10/LR-308s. I see a lot of dudes setting their rifles up for 168gr-175gr, while all of the bulk ammo comes in 147gr-149gr.
I suggest that you get reloading equipment for all your rifle/pistol calibers and stock up on primers/powder and bullets. 15,000 empty brass cases are useless otherwise..
Learn to reload, and start getting tools and supplies NOW, little by little if need be, they’ll be coming for reloading equipment soon and reloading supplies.
You gun nuts are so entertaining. "the zombies are coming, the zombies are coming"......I can't imagine a SHTF situation where you would need more than a couple of boxes of ammo. I you are involved in a situation where you are exchanging gunfire with one or more people on a regular basis, you will be lucky to survive long enough to fire 100 rounds. It is fun to hypothesize about shooting it out with hundreds of zombies, but those are movie scenarios.
I think many people can't afford much now since fuel and food costs so much more now. If someone can't afford to spend multiple thousands of dollars on weapons and ammo, I'd recommend a 22LR rifle and pistol with 5 magazines each so they could get enough ammo and it would be interchangeable for each weapon. For $1,000 you can get a good 22LR pistol and rifle, along with the magazines, and 5 boxes of 500 rounds each of ammo. That's 2,500 rounds. Seems pretty good for people that can't spend a ton of money and don't already have stuff.
1. Get Rural. 2. Align with a group or family members. 3. Decide on your calibers to stockpile (you may have weapons in other calibers but that does not mean they are your "go to" guns .. also of course as you are deciding what calibers you are also figuring out other preps .. ie .. food garden water meds tools etc but that is not the topic of this video). After you decide what to stockpile for it is all about mags ammo and parts. We decided .308 5.56 9mm .22 and 12 ga. As I mentioned before you may have a pet 1873 Colt or 30.30 or even .44 mag but none of those are your "go to's".
Get Rural. I have a cabin over 50 miles out of town - its becoming a liability because Im not there but once per week. It could easily fall victim to squatters/theft so my hands are tied with leaving preps there. sucks.
@@asesinodezombis2077 You’ll have time to get out of the city and to your rural location. I give it at least 30 years before it’s a true shtf situation. It’s always possible but not probable.
Getting rural may seem like the obvious thing to do....but lets play the scenario all the way out. Let say....you think you're safe and comfortable being 30 to 40 miles outside of a large urban area. If SHTF to the level everyone thinks it will in these silly videos. What do you think all these rioting masses are going to do in the city once the food runs out? You think they're going to wait around for that next grocery truck (that ain't gonna come) to arrive at the store? No...they're going to progressively move further and further out. Killing and stealing from anyone that gets in the way. The pain of hunger is a strong motivational thing.
I think having plenty of ammo is great as is extra parts. But I think having the right accessories for your tools is equally important. A good sling, holster, tac lights and sights is a necessity. Also, don't forget about a cleaning kit and tools so you can properly maintain.
Tac lights and sights are by no means "a necessity". They can make certain situations easier, but you can certainly work around that if you have any skill at all unless you have poor vision.
@@Swearengen1980 most criminal mischief and activity will be at night , so in my opinion a dot of some sort and a light is an absolute must have . If rule of law is out the window than yeah the marauders will not what time of day it is .
@@frankammirati3385 And that's my interpretation of SHTF: Lawlessness in less than 2-3 months. Even so, I'll definitely stand by the lack of necessity of a red dot at night. It's not like people have actual laser dots on their piece like the military might. These red dot optics add nothing at night, IMO.
Very informative video. I always try to grab an extra box of ammo whenever I'm at the gun shop. If there are sales on something in a particular cartridge, I'll focus on stacking that. As for the minimum threshold for readiness, i dont have one. I just keep on stacking because I have no idea when time will be up. Also, stack and rotate medical supplies, too!
I agree you should have extra parts for your guns and know how to install them. Something I do is have two or three of the same firearm, that way your covered. These new plastic wonder guns are so inexpensive just buy two. Two Glock 19's cost the same amount as one 1911.
There are so many variables to this question the answers dependent on the situation. If you live in an urban setting your needs will be quite different than if you live in a rural area. If you live in a city apartment what are you going to do with a scoped high-power rifle? I would think a handgun and pistol cal carbine (in the same caliber) for self-defense would be the most practical choice. In a rural area, the .22 and a scoped rifle make sense but frankly game is only going to be available for six months or so. After that, it will have been hunted to extinction. Planning on Bugging out to someplace in the country? How will you get there along roads packed with people fleeing the cities and road agents ambushing them? Even if you make it to your country refuge plan on having to evict someone that got there first. In most cases your best bet might be to shelter in place and plan on stockpiling food and water and what you need in guns and ammo to keep them.
At least a few k of 3 rifle calibers, and few k of 6 different pistol calibers. Just in case you have to raid , you will be able to use whatever caliber you harvest from the enemy.
Too many comments of people saying they use a 1000+ rounds of ammo every time they go to the range. Who the heck wastes 1000+ rounds of ammo at the range? Learn to take a second to get your sights on target practice your accuracy and quit wasting ammo. Reason why ammunition was hard to come by for so long, was because of too many people going out, and over buying it and then wasting tons of it at the range.
To cut down on cost, buy a ammo reloader. Powder, primers, and bullets can be purchased for less than factory ammo. The ammunition you designate for fighting should be in stripper clips and stored in military surplus ammo cans. Practice ammo can be reloaded and set aside. Save your brass as it can be reloaded 5-10 times before it needs to be replaced.
All this is fine for a 'weather in place' scenario. If you are forced to go mobile, i.e. on foot, the metrics become a lot more difficult. Do a search for ammo weights and you'll see what I mean. Example; 1000 rounds of 5.56 weighs 26.9 pounds. In polymer magazines that comes out to around 33 pounds (33 loaded magazines at about 1 pound each). Start figuring in all of the other bare minimum essentials you'll need to carry just to survive and you'll quickly become aware of the challenge. Another point; in a true SHTF scenario, there is a very real possibility that ammo will become the new currency. Even if you have a good supply, it's not something that you will be anxious to waste with monthly practice. Practice will be every time you are forced to defend what you have from those who have not and are willing to kill you for it. SHTF means just that. It will become a lawless, dog eats dog existence.
This is why I feel GBB Airsoft is a good investment. You can practice mag changes, malfunction drills, weapon transitions, create live scenarios drills and so on. This, without the expense or hassle of range time. Very informative video!!!!
Assuming you save half and train with half you should be pretty well off by the time your happy with your marksmanship. Same with food, buy twice as much of anything that you can preserve, then save both and eat the oldest you preserved before! Every time you get a suitable container (milk jugs, juice bottles, ect) fill it with tap water.
That's why I carry two 9mm, an AR and a shotgun so I don't need a lot of different ammo. I'm bugging out anyways, I'm not staying in my home in the city, so a lot of different kinds of ammo would just slow me down.
That makes sense. Like I say everyone needs to decide what's best for their particular situation. We are bugging in and if we need to bug out our Bug out location is also well equipped. Stay prepared and stay safe!
I believe ammo can prep is huge. Metal cans. Seal seams, remoisten rubber gasket with 100% silicone. Line can with “PIG” mat. Toss in 50 gram desiccant add ammo (no boxes,plastic material ) top off with second 50 gram desiccant. Keep all cans the same size for ease in stacking. I like 50 cal size. Don’t over fill. Can get heavy…
Stock up on the ammo that is a everyday one for anything , the lonely 22 Long Rifle Hollow point. Small ,light weight compared to others but will protect you and can furnish food for the table. 5 thousand rounds takes very little space. Back up for myself is a full recurve Bow and a couple dozen arrows. Next is a small pistol , cross bow , with a couple hundred darts. Last item is a Blowgun with a couple hundred small game , broad head , darts. Everything is angled to gathering meat for meals. The 22 stays put up except for hunting season. The others make good practice items the rest of the year so I stay proficient with them.
If the SHTF we’ll have at least 50,000,000 people out hunting for food. Th woods will be a barren silent place inside two weeks. Don’t count too much on hunting. Fishing will be more productive
I like the bows idea, I like the idea of having a folding bow for defense too because it's quiet and you can reuse arrows most of the time. And @@herbertbrown119 good point.
I was trained to get what I need with just one round. Take what the other guy has...so the answer is one round. This was proven effective with the "liberator" pistol in WW2.
I have a family of four. If we go through 1000 rounds of 5.56, at 250/person…. There is no way I’ll need all four rifles the next year. Sad fact. Drop at least 250/year. So I’m thinking 1000, 750, 500, 250, 0. So 2500 should last till our last stand. That said, I don’t expect for myself to live forever. In a societal collapse, My magazines aren’t just for me, they are for the people running up behind me to take, inset and keep moving forward. Rounds will be flying in both directions.
Great video, I just saw your channel for the first time. I like the way you brake things down and I have to say you pointed out some stuff I really need to work on. Thank you.
Have a pellet gun. A powerful one pump pellet gun. Accurate as hell and ten thousand rounds costs next to nothing. Lightweight ammo. Takes up almost no space. Impervious to heat, cold, and moisture. Only other thing you need is a small bottle of oil. Use that to harvest small game for food. Not silent, but quieter than a .22. Cheaper too. And saves your ammo for two-legged predators. Also, a basic recurve bow. Preferably not wood so you don't have to ever de-string it. Lots of arrows, broadheads, practice heads, slip-on fletching/nocks for repairs. String wax. Couple of spare strings with nock rests already installed. All set for all sorts of things!
Enemy combatants usually have weapons ammunition communications and field equipment on them. So all you need is some sentry elimination skills and a knife or a good stout piano wire.
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 Sure, or like real life. I'm a 67 year old vet so if you're cought out without, due to circumstances, you can make it. I don't play any video crap if you were being intellectually snide, but regardless, thanks for your video.
I store whiskey and tobacco to barter with and would even barter with some of my food, but would not barter any ammo because they might just use it against me.
Frenchie here, I have no idea how this video got recommended to me. I gotta say it gives me chills to hear you talking so casually about a possible civil war. I knew America was fractured socially but to such an extent?? What is going on? I hope it never comes to this... After a war on European soil, another one in America is the last thing this world needs. Hope everybody stays safe
Maybe he miss took the "civil unrest" to mean civil war at around 2:15 There's a difference... What the USA experienced in 2020 with the BLM riots was an eye opener for many US citizens who just want to live their life in peace without having their homes and businesses being burned down. There was an unpressidented firearms sales during the BLM riots and covid pandemic and that was due to people preparing for another bad round of riots and/or a worse covid in the future.
I look at weapons as a system. Ammo, spare parts, mags and load bearing gear are all components of that system. Each weapon system must have all those things at a minimum. I also recommend stocking reloading components, which, after the initial investment of the press, dies, and other tools, the powder, bullets, primers, and brass can keep the cost of restocking ammo reasonable. Parts can be ordered from Gun Parts Corp, Sarco,and other online sources. Thank you for the informative video.
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Not once, in the history of armed conflict, has anyone ever emerged from the battle and stated, "damn, I had too much ammo".
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The most expensive weapon is the one needed and not had.
The only two circumstances under which you have too much ammo or too many magazines is if you are drowning or on fire
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 The british army in the Zulu-war lost a confict, because they had a lot of ammo, but didn't gave it out past enough. These logistic people were surely pointing at to much ammo in the wrong hands and this is a typical problem in Ukrainian defence positions, that a weapon broke down and this ammo is no longer of any use.
Not in the 3 battle zones, I've been in. However I do hear lots of, "this is freaking heavy on the way to a fight."
SHTF, I'm no longer distinguishing between defense rounds and practice rounds. I'm counting it together.
I only stockpile sp and hp, sure I would use fmj if it's what I have, but that's what I use for practice, the rest is for hunting or if I have to defense, the 5.56 is far more effective with expanding/fragmenting ammo, I even stockpile my 7.62x39 in sp.
Buy all the ammo you can in the five main calibers.. always make sure to stock the main 5. .22 9mm or .45. 12 ga, 5.56, and .308 stock stcok
A practice round will kill same as defense rounds. I still don't know anyone that wants to be shot with it.
@@TexHoss1 Your absolutely right, but unless we get to shtf situation, I still want to put the energy into the bad guy, not through him and into a friendly or innocent, especially when talking about handgun rounds.
@@wymonwatson1309 You will need to figure out better movement tactics if that's the case.
I’ve had this discussion with several other veterans. We all agree that if you really need it, you won’t have enough.
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Ask the guys the movie Black Hawk Down was based on how much they wish they had and prepare for a reenactment of Zulu Dawn for real.
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@BawStop Dat Nothing to it, fire and maneuver and retreat thru a prepared auto KZ.
@BawStop Dat Getting pinned down ends you. I would E&E from the base in a moment . Only a fool locks himself in the target. The trick is that the intended is now fluid and the attackers are now contained. Almost all are trained as the advantaged, few are trained how to win as the disadvantaged. Most of the roving bands will be concentrating on raping robbing and pillaging and therefore will have no discipline. Vlad in the 1400's used the right tactics to get a point across.
My wife recently asked me how much ammo and reloading supplies we had. I said, with typical range time, three years, if we ration it, 12 years, if it is the wrong weekend, 72 hours.
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The biggest problem I see is the cost. When I put $100+ a week in the car and groceries and the price of ammo, My bank is broken. I think a lot of people have this problem.
Yep, that's why I've been collecting ammo for years, it almost hurts when I shoot ammo that I paid 20 cents a round for knowing how much it will cost to replace.
Agree but the importance & uncertainty I allocate monies for all 3 you mentioned
Don't eat out vacation party etc so I'm covered - tight but I can still buy a set of Nittos
for my truck so my cutback is range time but it still happens ...(replace+ the ammo)
And been putting off a TLR Laser for my G29 but it's coming up 👍
One box a week adds up.
Same brotha
Everything is tight nowadays, I myself put in my budget to buy 9mm, 5.7x28, & 5.56 rounds once a month.... Just had to cut back on some of the other extras.... All together now "SACRIFICE"
I was at a customers house not long ago. Really awesome safe room. They has 40k rounds of 5.56. I thought I was sitting good at 3k rounds.
Nice amount of ammo
There are two kinds of people that find their neighbor has 40K stacked. 1) report them as domestic terrorist/ insurrectionists or 2) welcome to my new best friend. We need to be behind every blade of grass.
Reminds me of my friend Greg. His ammo room is 15' x 18' and stacked roof with .223, 12ga, 9mm, .38, .357, 22lr, .308 and a few others. Easily 10-15k rounds of each. Much more on the smaller stuff. I remember a few years ago during the 22 shortage he hooked me up with 6,000 rds or 22, 200 9mm and 300rds of .223 like it was free.
Cool !
You can NEVER have too much ammo!
That's right.
Until the recent peaceful protest and police stand downs I wasn't overly concerned about stockpiling THEN I never thought I'd see such a shift with a placement Communist puppet government & Left MSM internet like we have today ....
I approach every day now like SHTF mentality since flash mobs / random violence is protected & encouraged...... 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I wish! try swimming with 2,000 rds. ;)
I would actually argue and say that you can, but it's not too fun to think about lol
Never ever stop buying ammo. Even if you think or believe you have plenty, get more at every opportunity you can. You never know what the threat may be, especially in an shtf. And you never know when ammo may never be available.
Agreed. I've purchased 3500+ rounds in the last month to add to the mega stockpile I already have.
Absolutely I couldn't agree more 😊
Or what future prices could be, I buy ammo every paycheck
@@murphmurph2124 On SSI now, but I still buy ammo at every opportunity when the finances permit it, and they usually do.
Buy the stuff to make your own ammo...
Never stockpile all your ammo or pew-pews in one place. If you have to relocate to a back-up SHTF location, just try moving severial thousand rounds of ammo.
An interesting anecdote to keep in mind. Onoda Hiroo, the Japanese intelligence officer that didn't come out of the jungles of Lubang until 1974, after two of his best friends perished and one surrendered over the years, had 700 rounds (to my recollection of from his auto biography) of 7.7x58 for his Type 99 at the very beginning. He surrendered 500 rounds. You can function and still fight for 30 years so long as you're diligent. If I remember correctly, towards the end, a lot of the rounds had started to show major signs of degradation due to the climate of Lubang.
I think he was on an island by himself
@michael brown He was searched for many many times and engaged the locals often with his beacon fire raids. Killed a lot of civillians with him, Shimada, and Kozuka. Akatsu abandoned them after the first uhhhh five years? He was the only survivor as the others were killed by police.
@michael brown He was still hunted, but it was more to just get him to come out and finally surrender. Over the years he was constantly dodging patrols. He finally came out due to a chance encounter with a man named Suzuki who found him, and then Suzuki getting one of Onoda’s former superiors to show up and relieve him of duty.
In an SHTF opsec is important. It isn’t about having the stuff. It’s about concealing your presence completely, with community of course. People are generally loud and not conscious of the give always they have that they exist. Anyone who is concerned about SHTF should read the book he wrote after surrendering.
I know Japan was an enemy, but my heart always went out to that poor fellow. His life was wasted for him not being in contact with his C.O.
He didn't do a lot of fighting after the atom bombs were dropped,Einstein.
Well done. Buying ammo makes me feel like a kid at Christmas.
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US Army Basic Combat Load is 7x 30-rd Mags 210 rounds. Three Pistol magazines (1911 = 21 rds or Beretta M9 = 45rds). One magazine in the rifle, 3 mags in each of two pouches.
No argument on a soldier's base load .. the thing to remember is that they organized resupply via company supply sergeant or battalion S4 .. we will not
That may be the US Army standard load out…. the reality is, we took as much we could carry… I had between 13 and 21 M4 mags.
@@DS-wo8wr I agree. This is just a minimum standard. My team had 3x BCL ourselves. FYI... it's heavy😂😂
I have a Remington model 783 chambered in 300 Winchester magnum. With a 20×50 scope I intend to eliminate threats long before they get to my door. I have well over 4,000 rounds
When they send a drone in for recon, that full choke upland bird gun and #4 buck works real well. The smart and well equipped will be using them. Less risk in the recon.
My 1964 Winchester model 70 in 30-06 I can easily reach out and touch you up to 1000 yards. Love this rifle !
This question is, although interesting, a very difficult one to answer. Why? Consider the myriad of different scenarios everyone will encounter in a total societal collapse . Do you bug-in or bug-out? What is the threat level in your particular area or the area you are planning to move to? What is the potential for violence along your bug-out route of travel? What's the potential for violence if you opt to remain in place? How many people are in your group? And of even greater importance, how many are proficient enough in the use of at least one of the firearms to be effective as a deterrent to any situation that would call for ammo usage? It's easy to say there can never be enough ammunition, but I think that ultimately there has to be a realistic balance between necessities such as food, water, clothing, shelter, multiple tools for fire starting, tools of various types, toiletries, etc. If one has been prepping for many years, then maybe a cache of ammunition that is in the tens of thousands of rounds is reasonable and well thought out. Most people, however, probably just don't have the means for that much. Let us pray that this particular question never needs to actually be answered.
How much ammo one needs is a very simple question. One only needs enough ammo to "acquire" more and be able to move without requiring a forklift. This shit isn't brain surgery y'all. Commonsense should always prevail. Multiple combat tours taught me all that I need to know
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Thats what I always think about. I dont want to be carrying 50 cans everywhere if I gotta bounce
Roger that. Retired 19D. We trained to scavenge. It will be available.
Yea but this video wasn’t made for you, it was made to help others that are not dumb enough to think they can’t learn anything more from someone else’s experience…..! Are your nuts always that numb…?
Thank you for your services in the greatest country in the world. I say it with the highest respect. God speed
I avoid answering this question when asked. (It's Complicated) From all of us who have watched and listened to your video, Thank you very much!
You can never have "enough" ammo, just as you can never have enough fuel, unless you're flying an aircraft that's on fire.
That is so true, and go hand in hand during hurricane season. Louisiana during Katrina, YUCK, but lessons learned.
We’ll run out of fuel before ammo.
Try swimming with a few thousand rds. ;) However, in my case, as a pilot, should the acft be on FIRE* I'm going to bail out or eject depending on acft type and whether or not I'm able to get the fire under control or extinguish it. *There are other emergencies that also necessitate abandoning the acft.
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Keep in mind that ammo is the top trade material if the SHTF. That means you need a stash for fighting and a stash for trading.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 You’re not a target when you’re trading within your Militia group. If you’re planning on holding down your fort by yourself, then you’re the easy target.
Yep. Within your own group I’d gladly trade food and water for some ammo if I needed
water-food-fuel/ammo
Do not trade yer ammo! It can be used against you!
Edible food, clean water and/or the ability to purify it along with Rx meds are priorities since finding them when needed is often difficult to impossible. As is living without them. Spend a few years in 3rd world countries after natural disasters and you'll learn the true meaning of SHTF. I speak from experience. Btw, we're gun owners, including Title 2 (NFA) firearms. That said, there are many things I'd trade a firearm or ammo for in some situations. You can't eat ammo and sometimes hunting simply isn't feasible unless one can tolerate rat meat and doesn't mind the associated health risks. However, if hungry enough you'll eat nearly anything.
1000 rounds of 556, 1000 shotgun rounds of various loads, and as many .22s as you can afford. .22lr will be the bread and butter in a true SHTF situation.
Currently, according to my ammo spreadsheet, I have over 3,600 rounds of .22lr - but I don't feel I have enough.
As a mainly shotgun shooter i always have over 20000 ctgs in my house that being said majority are clay loads about 15000. But i easily shoot 400-500 a week
Idk if 1k is enough. Maybe if u had a reloding press but i feel like for intermediate rounds and battle rifle rounds should be at a minimum of double digit thousands and varmints/22 rounds in the triple to even millions. You never know if the millitary will be deployed, so i say be prepared to fight a well armed combatant that has ground and air superiority.
@@waynegroves6922 And I feel I don't have enough of .22LR at about 28,000 rounds but I don't get to shoot that much anymore either and still buy a box of some type of ammo when I can !! I really want to amp up my 9 mm supply !!! And my most favorite caliber is .38s&w but that is so dang high can't afford it no more at over a dollar a bullet if you can find it !!!
500 rounds. After that you will be recovering weapons and ammo from the dead. You will either be good at it or it wont matter.
got that right!
I'll take booby traps for $500 Alex .👊🙂
Agree!!
True.chances of you surviving two firefights are very low. That’s how I see it at least.
In the words of my mentor and idol Bert Gumer from the Tremor movies " you can never have enough ammo".
Realistically you really need as much ammo for each gun as you would ever expect to shoot for the lifetime of the weapon. Because tomorrow might be the last day you will ever have the chance to buy. Anyone remember the 22lr dry-up of a few years ago? If it didn't come back after 3-4 years what you had was all you would ever have...forever. Act accordingly. I learned a valuable lesson then and now keep a MINIMUM of 12,000rds of 22lr on hand. More if possible.
Rifle, pistol, shotgun, doesn't matter. Get as much ammo as you can possible get plus 10,000rds and you will have a decent start. Just remember all ammo could completely dry up overnight and what you have might be all you will ever have. This also holds true for spare parts, magazines etc.
I'd also highly recommend having multiple ammo/weapon catches.
Best thing to do is reload and lots of it for each caliber you have.
I'm lucky I've got a small range in my backyard and we shoot all the time including the kid's and grandkids.
If anything goes down here we are ready.
We also stock pile food as well.
Be smart everyone and be safe..
I reload everything but .22LR, 12g, or 7.62x54r. I've decided it's cheaper and easier, not to bother with those ones. Everything else my progressive press turns out!
I don’t know how much ammo you think you need, but your opponent only needs one well-placed round applied during your moment of vulnerability.
OK karen..
Outstanding content. Succinct and to the point with no fluff. Appreciate the info and will start my inventories based on this.
News did a story of a police raid. They called it an arsenal and a stockpile of ammo. I take more guns and ammo to the range to practice than they showed.
I hear you, up here in Kanuckistan, Castro JR is going to try to impose limits on how much we can store. I think I'd be good on store bought ammo. but I'm screwed because I reload.
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I'm more concerned with how much coffee I'll be able to get when shtf. I guess I'll need how ever many rounds it will take to aquire the coffee every time.
Beat it ask yourself is life even worth living at that point . Your best bet is the good lord takes you instead of the disease and living hell you will be in . In all reality a nuclear weapon is the real Shtf and at that point I will gladly stand in front of it if I can’t out run it . All your water food soil is radiation you will be dead in weeks with extreme suffering . Quit living in a phantasy world and looking forward to battle .
I started stashing Foldiers, 2 years ago ! Recently bought some instant too, gotta have coffee ! 😳 ! lol !!!
@Claudia Mitchell imo hording for the future is only worth it if there's coffee to aquire. Otherwise, I'll just opt out and succumb.
@@-thirteen I’m doing great in the coffee department ! 😉👍🌸
For me:
1000 rnd per platform for practice and defense.
I have over 20k rnds in 22, 9mm, 38 special, 357 mag, 45, 223/5.56, 6.5CM, 20GA & 12GA
I prefer 10 mags per platform minimum.
I slowly acquired it while still shooting, just establish a budget and get there in time.
bro you'll be dead before you pop off 10 mags, don't kid yourself, you're just resupplying joe-shmo across the street
Nice direct information, no self promotion like a lot of videos....good job
My advice is to Buy or reload your own ammo as often as you can, and, NEVER shoot up more than 10% of the ammo you purchase or load. Practice with up to 10% only after you make a New purchase. Keep 90% or more of all newly purchased ammo and keep it properly stored. Put away money each month for ammo purchases and look for any sales on ammo that you can buy in bulk. Keep your ammo supply growing. That's my advice.
Subbed. I remember a few years back thinking a thousand per gun was alot and awesome 😂 now I have trouble figuring out where to keep putting it. Which is a good problem to have
I think I need the moving truck more than more ammo! I'll check back when mission is accomplished. Thanks for your efforts!
Ammo needs are situational. If you're going to have to bug out, whether immediately or down the road, there's no point in wasting money on massive amounts of ammo that you can't transport when it's time to go unless you're confident you'll reach a predetermined location where you can safely stockpile without worry of theft prior to any possible situation. If you live in a rural area, there's no such thing as too much ammo.
They just don't understand this, do they?
@@michaelphillips3123 They don't understand much of anything based on these videos and the responses. They're irrational and emotional responses never let them think with logic and rationale. Just like all the City Prepping channel videos. Telling people to stockpile over a years worth of food. If SHTF and you live in a city, the collapse will have exceeded to the point of death or being forced to bug out as the riots and home invasions start long before you need that much food and you can't take it all with you, same as ammo. If people were truly concerned about SHTF, they'd sell everything and move to a rural area.
Because there's no meth heads or thieves in rural areas right. You people are delusional af
People are deluded about their chances if there's a total breakdown of society. You won't need years of supplies unless you've got a secure and isolated compound, and a lot of people to defend it. You need a couple of months of supplies, and a few hundred rounds of a few calibers like 9mm, 5.56. and 22. There's no point stockpiling absolutely thousands if you aren't already in a fortress you won't have to abandon.
@@Darkpara1 Mostly agree, though there are some isolated rural areas, particular on mountains, where defense would be fairly easy with a small handful of people due to very limited approach options. There's no point in stockpiling a year of anything if you live in a city/town at all. You're screwed no matter what.
For what’s coming I recommend that every household has their own gun manufacturing facility and ammo factory and of course warehouses full of raw materials and infrastructure and energy sources to keep everything running
its the american way of life, isnt that everyones idea?
I think the worst place for a fire fight is your front door. Keep a reasonable amount of ammo at the residence and disperse the rest of what you can afford in different locations. You can only shoot one weapon at a time (maybe some folks can shoot two) but realistically only one. A rifle, a pistol and a shotgun for each person is adequate with about 150 rounds for each at the residence. More at alternate sites. There is no formula, there is no minimum, there is only what you can afford and potentially transport from residence to site or site to site. If you are rich and can afford it, get whatever quantity makes you feel secure. If you can't get to a range and live fire, practice at home loading and unloading, breakdown and assembly and a good book on survival, medical treatment and tactics would be real handy. However you acquire your skills, you must maintain familiarity on the operation and use of each type of weapon. Download videos on these subjects and review periodically. If a firefight does occur, first and foremost is to try and exit. No shame in escape. Fight as the last resort.
yeah multiple locations.
Dude, some of us are young enough we cant even get more than one house.
How are you expecting us to store shit in any place other than our homes when WE CANT EVEN AFFORD OUR CURRENT 1 HOUSE IN THIS ECONOMY??
The idea is to use multiple locations so if you do have to leave your home you won't have to transport a bulk of ammo and you won't lose your whole stash. Maybe network with friends or find a remote location and just bury a few hundred rounds your property or not.
The best spare parts kit for a firearm, is another firearm, preferably of the same caliber, and really preferable of the same make and model so that you can cannibalize parts. When a friend of family member comes over and you need them to help, one cannot hand them a spare parts kit; but handing them a working firearm might just be welcome.. IF one firearm fails, at least you can immediately grab the spare.. The best spare parts kits for your magazines- well, is another set of magazines. Magazines are the Achilles heel of any firearm that uses magazines, especially semi-automatics. Ammo-- stored properly -is one thing; having extra is always a boon. It'll be worth more than money soon enough.
The elephant in the room - is everything else that you need to survive. Food. Water.. shelter.. Medical supplies.. Personal supplies.. Having firearms, magazines, and ammo is one thing, but without food, water, other supplies, well, game over..
With firearms and ammo you can get everything else you need 😉
Having multiple same make/model hand guns, keeps it simple for having extra mags - they all fit. I always purchase extra mags with each hand gun. I want to have at least 4 mags (1 in the gun & 3 ready to use). I also like to limit the calibers I use (.22LR, 9mm, .223, .308 & 12ga - yes, these are the most common rounds & should be easy to find during SHTF). I can have multiple firearms, but the ammo can be used across several of them, even if the mags don't fit from one to the other
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 This is really kinda a dumb comment we see a lot in the prepper/firearms community. Implying that you could just go out a threaten or kill other people that have what you need. I know people aren't talking about trading ammo for other things... sooo whatever but realistically we all aren't going to be going out in a shtf acting rambo. The smart thing will be to bunker down in your own home and live off your rations. Ul just increase ur likelyhood of getting urself killed by going out with ur setup "looking for food/water". Myself, I dont have enough ammo its true. 1000 rds .223, 1000 rds 7.62x39, maybe 200 rds 9mm, plus other calibers but I got also a medium-high stock of food, water, ham radio, batteries, generator, fuel, medical, etc. Balancing the preps. I dont have a ton of everything. We don't know when shtf will actually occur so we have to live life in a sorta balance. Biggest thing I can suggest to people is just get out of debt, budget, try to earn more money with a new job or get a side hustle and you will have more money to spend on all this stuff plus actually living life and having fun...its what I'm trying to do.. Thanks for the vid!
I have 2 or more of every firearm I have. Except an ak I need another
And coffee, lots of coffee !! 😳🇺🇸
Just found your channel and I find your videos, concise and to the point, and containing excellent advice
Unless you live within a compound, these numbers are very unrealistic and very impractical. It is good to be prepared, but remember in the most dire shtf scenarios, you're only going to be able to take what you can carry on you.
Dash Thanks for using common sense. As for having 10,000 rounds of ammunition is impractical for three reasons. logistics, cost and weight.
10-4, ammo, water, rations, and gear, 60 pounds feels a lot heavier after a few hours. Go hunt pheasants for 8 hours and see how that 870 Wingmaster and one box of 12 guage feels.
Doesn't seem to me like his video is made under the pretense of bugging out. he clearly states at the beginning that he's talking about a home defense situation. Bugging out to the middle of the mountains with your family is not at all practical. In most cases, if you live in a rural area, your best bet is to stay put and have a well thought out property defense plan as well as a neighborhood defense plan as long as your neighbors aren't woke commies.
@@MassholeMachinist You completely missed the point. As I stated, in most dire SHTF scenarios, most people will not be staying in their homes. They will be on the Run, like most everyone else. Think about it, those who have stockpiled food, guns, supplies... they are big targets! They will be the first to be taken out by the mob. And trust me, when there is no longer law enforcement, the mob will rule. They will take what they want regardless of the consequences. And neighbors will turn against Neighbors. When people's children are starving, they will become part of the mob themselves. So again... you can only take as much ammo as you can carry with you!
You can also cache ammo in areas as well, you don't have to carry everything with you, it's not Armageddon yet, you can still drive around freely and bury whatever you like.
If a true SHTF situation happened and continued for an extended period, extra ammo is better to have than gold, because you can readily trade it for other things you might be running out of. And the quantities exchanged can be quite small, so you don't have to worry about cutting up gold coins like the old 'pieces of 8'.
In theory, perhaps. In reality if you need X then chances are so do most others and therefore some (or many) may not be willing to bargain. Btw, I learned as a child that ammo is chewy and not really edible. ;)
I live in upstate NY; you are the second youtuber that I have come across to use The People Republic Of New York. lol
Think you're about as right as can be on your guidelines for minimum on hand ammo. I also liked what someone in the comments said about hiding ammo around in different places. That way if you get forced out of your primary location you can resupply elsewhere.
I've been thinking a lot like what is said in the video for a good while now, but I also pray it doesn't come that. 🙏
#ammocache
Stock pile as much as possible for as many calibers as possible. Buy or make water tight containers to hide (buried) around where you can because you can hopefully always make it back k to them at later date. Of course you need to keep several hundred rounds readily available.
I think we're dealing with thousands and not hundreds.
I carry those cmmg 22 AR conversion kits they're great for small game. 22 is also lot easier to carry a bunch of. 1 rifle, 2 calibers. 10.5" AR with 1-6x - 4 mags of 556 and 500 22lr is my load out.
Small, light, sensible.
Hell yea. Plus it’s way less recoil and doesn’t make as much of a boom as the others. 22LR is good enough.
I've been Prepping for many many years, but I probably don't have enough ammo. Being retired, it's difficult to purchase a lot of ammo. Be safe my friends.
How much ammo do you need for SHTF...simple answer...ALL YOU CAN GET AND STORE. While in the bush or away from home, never underestimate a .22LR for taking down four legged or two legged animals...It's great backup for your primary weapon. And you can carry more ammo than any other caliber.
If you actually survive a gun fight. Be sure to grab the firearms and ammo from those you were fighting. If SHTF? You may not be able to readily get back to your supply. You will need to resupply from those you were fighting or defending against.
Marines standard battle load is seven mags. 210 rounds.
As much as you can reload, last count over 700,000 Rd’s an climbing, after years of reloading
I am thinking you work for Remington or CIL.
You can never have enough ammo.
I believe that stocking up on spare parts for your firearms is also a good idea. (For AR-15s, I would say 2 spare BCGs for each, 2 full spare lower parts kits for each one. Heck, complete uppers with BCGs already installed wouldn't be a bad idea. As long as you sight each individual upper in.)
Also, in my opinion, optics that require batteries are a big no-no. Unless you keep fresh batteries stocked and have some sort of back up option that doesn't require battery power to work (For example, iron sights).
To much ain’t enough ! I would rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it ! Sad thing is we should never have to worry about it . We should be well takin care of from all the service members from all of our family’s that have paid the ultimate price for our freedom . All the taxes we paid and pay this country should be so well defended that a lot of things in the last 25 years shouldn’t happened .
If you plan to have this much ammo, I definitely advise loading your own rounds. The scale of the ammo you’re stocking up on justifies it significantly. You’d save a thousand dollars or more.
The amount youre talking about is ENTRY LEVEL
As I mentioned numerous times these are a minimum figures
yep a box every time you go to the store adds up.
You also may want to tune at least one of your guns to run what's most common. I see a lot of people building rifles for 68gr-77gr Match Kings. How much of that are you likely to find after the balloon goes up? It will behoove you to have at least one gun ready to run 55grs. Same with AR-10/LR-308s. I see a lot of dudes setting their rifles up for 168gr-175gr, while all of the bulk ammo comes in 147gr-149gr.
Enough to be able to collect weapons and ammo off of the bodies. Gotta be resourceful and adapt. 😉👍🏻
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My rule of thumb to acquire sufficient ammo is to by two (2) boxes per month. One (1) to practice with and one (1) to build up your storage.
Excellent information and I really appreciate this video.
I suggest that you get reloading equipment for all your rifle/pistol calibers and stock up on primers/powder and bullets. 15,000 empty brass cases are useless otherwise..
Given the intro, my assessment would be that as much ammo as you can possibly get, is the answer.
Agreed because there will be no re-supply! You will be your own re-supply!
Learn to reload, and start getting tools and supplies NOW, little by little if need be, they’ll be coming for reloading equipment soon and reloading supplies.
@@3er328 Sad but how is the reloading market today? A year or so ago, there were no primers to be had, let alone powder and other supplies..
You gun nuts are so entertaining. "the zombies are coming, the zombies are coming"......I can't imagine a SHTF situation where you would need more than a couple of boxes of ammo. I you are involved in a situation where you are exchanging gunfire with one or more people on a regular basis, you will be lucky to survive long enough to fire 100 rounds. It is fun to hypothesize about shooting it out with hundreds of zombies, but those are movie scenarios.
I think many people can't afford much now since fuel and food costs so much more now.
If someone can't afford to spend multiple thousands of dollars on weapons and ammo, I'd recommend a 22LR rifle and pistol with 5 magazines each so they could get enough ammo and it would be interchangeable for each weapon.
For $1,000 you can get a good 22LR pistol and rifle, along with the magazines, and 5 boxes of 500 rounds each of ammo. That's 2,500 rounds. Seems pretty good for people that can't spend a ton of money and don't already have stuff.
1. Get Rural. 2. Align with a group or family members. 3. Decide on your calibers to stockpile (you may have weapons in other calibers but that does not mean they are your "go to" guns .. also of course as you are deciding what calibers you are also figuring out other preps .. ie .. food garden water meds tools etc but that is not the topic of this video). After you decide what to stockpile for it is all about mags ammo and parts. We decided .308 5.56 9mm .22 and 12 ga. As I mentioned before you may have a pet 1873 Colt or 30.30 or even .44 mag but none of those are your "go to's".
Great advice. That's a good plan.
Get Rural. I have a cabin over 50 miles out of town - its becoming a liability because Im not there but once per week. It could easily fall victim to squatters/theft so my hands are tied with leaving preps there. sucks.
@@asesinodezombis2077 That would be an issue .. luckily we are living rural .. not as a bug out location .. but as our bug in location
@@asesinodezombis2077 You’ll have time to get out of the city and to your rural location. I give it at least 30 years before it’s a true shtf situation. It’s always possible but not probable.
Getting rural may seem like the obvious thing to do....but lets play the scenario all the way out. Let say....you think you're safe and comfortable being 30 to 40 miles outside of a large urban area. If SHTF to the level everyone thinks it will in these silly videos. What do you think all these rioting masses are going to do in the city once the food runs out? You think they're going to wait around for that next grocery truck (that ain't gonna come) to arrive at the store? No...they're going to progressively move further and further out. Killing and stealing from anyone that gets in the way. The pain of hunger is a strong motivational thing.
More is best. Even when SHTF the barter system will be prominent. Ammo will be one of the most sought after products after food.
I think having plenty of ammo is great as is extra parts. But I think having the right accessories for your tools is equally important. A good sling, holster, tac lights and sights is a necessity. Also, don't forget about a cleaning kit and tools so you can properly maintain.
Tac lights and sights are by no means "a necessity". They can make certain situations easier, but you can certainly work around that if you have any skill at all unless you have poor vision.
@@Swearengen1980 well, when I grow up I hope I can be like you and have natural night vision.
@@Swearengen1980 most criminal mischief and activity will be at night , so in my opinion a dot of some sort and a light is an absolute must have . If rule of law is out the window than yeah the marauders will not what time of day it is .
@@frankammirati3385 And that's my interpretation of SHTF: Lawlessness in less than 2-3 months. Even so, I'll definitely stand by the lack of necessity of a red dot at night. It's not like people have actual laser dots on their piece like the military might. These red dot optics add nothing at night, IMO.
Very informative video. I always try to grab an extra box of ammo whenever I'm at the gun shop. If there are sales on something in a particular cartridge, I'll focus on stacking that. As for the minimum threshold for readiness, i dont have one. I just keep on stacking because I have no idea when time will be up. Also, stack and rotate medical supplies, too!
I agree you should have extra parts for your guns and know how to install them. Something I do is have two or three of the same firearm, that way your covered. These new plastic wonder guns are so inexpensive just buy two. Two Glock 19's cost the same amount as one 1911.
When someone asks me this question, I reply "ALL OF IT!!"
There are so many variables to this question the answers dependent on the situation. If you live in an urban setting your needs will be quite different than if you live in a rural area. If you live in a city apartment what are you going to do with a scoped high-power rifle? I would think a handgun and pistol cal carbine (in the same caliber) for self-defense would be the most practical choice. In a rural area, the .22 and a scoped rifle make sense but frankly game is only going to be available for six months or so. After that, it will have been hunted to extinction. Planning on Bugging out to someplace in the country? How will you get there along roads packed with people fleeing the cities and road agents ambushing them? Even if you make it to your country refuge plan on having to evict someone that got there first. In most cases your best bet might be to shelter in place and plan on stockpiling food and water and what you need in guns and ammo to keep them.
Excellent points!
Shelter in place until it is very quiet outside. A month or so. Most will be dead by then.
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks this way
Excellent information 👌 thanks for video
Amazing video, helps a lot in being prepared and the follow up info you give outstanding. Thank you.
At least a few k of 3 rifle calibers, and few k of 6 different pistol calibers. Just in case you have to raid , you will be able to use whatever caliber you harvest from the enemy.
Too many comments of people saying they use a 1000+ rounds of ammo every time they go to the range. Who the heck wastes 1000+ rounds of ammo at the range? Learn to take a second to get your sights on target practice your accuracy and quit wasting ammo. Reason why ammunition was hard to come by for so long, was because of too many people going out, and over buying it and then wasting tons of it at the range.
Its not a matter of if shtf, just a matter of when, and I believe it's right around the corner, prep well,and may God be with you!
To cut down on cost, buy a ammo reloader. Powder, primers, and bullets can be purchased for less than factory ammo. The ammunition you designate for fighting should be in stripper clips and stored in military surplus ammo cans. Practice ammo can be reloaded and set aside. Save your brass as it can be reloaded 5-10 times before it needs to be replaced.
I talked with a Vietnam Veteran who talked about how they walked around with more cigarettes than they did ammo.
Sounds like solid advice
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 I think they realistically knew what they were up against, and how long they were sitting around until it went down.
All this is fine for a 'weather in place' scenario. If you are forced to go mobile, i.e. on foot, the metrics become a lot more difficult. Do a search for ammo weights and you'll see what I mean. Example; 1000 rounds of 5.56 weighs 26.9 pounds. In polymer magazines that comes out to around 33 pounds (33 loaded magazines at about 1 pound each). Start figuring in all of the other bare minimum essentials you'll need to carry just to survive and you'll quickly become aware of the challenge. Another point; in a true SHTF scenario, there is a very real possibility that ammo will become the new currency. Even if you have a good supply, it's not something that you will be anxious to waste with monthly practice. Practice will be every time you are forced to defend what you have from those who have not and are willing to kill you for it. SHTF means just that. It will become a lawless, dog eats dog existence.
This is why I feel GBB Airsoft is a good investment. You can practice mag changes, malfunction drills, weapon transitions, create live scenarios drills and so on. This, without the expense or hassle of range time. Very informative video!!!!
Or you can just buy a real gun. Airsoft is overpriced and you can get a real one for about the same price
Assuming you save half and train with half you should be pretty well off by the time your happy with your marksmanship. Same with food, buy twice as much of anything that you can preserve, then save both and eat the oldest you preserved before! Every time you get a suitable container (milk jugs, juice bottles, ect) fill it with tap water.
That's why I carry two 9mm, an AR and a shotgun so I don't need a lot of different ammo. I'm bugging out anyways, I'm not staying in my home in the city, so a lot of different kinds of ammo would just slow me down.
That makes sense. Like I say everyone needs to decide what's best for their particular situation. We are bugging in and if we need to bug out our Bug out location is also well equipped. Stay prepared and stay safe!
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 Absolutely! You to brother and thank you for everything you teach. Stay safe and God bless.
I believe ammo can prep is huge. Metal cans. Seal seams, remoisten rubber gasket with 100% silicone. Line can with “PIG” mat. Toss in 50 gram desiccant add ammo (no boxes,plastic material ) top off with second 50 gram desiccant. Keep all cans the same size for ease in stacking. I like 50 cal size. Don’t over fill. Can get heavy…
Stock up on the ammo that is a everyday one for anything , the lonely 22 Long Rifle Hollow point. Small ,light weight compared to others but will protect you and can furnish food for the table. 5 thousand rounds takes very little space. Back up for myself is a full recurve Bow and a couple dozen arrows. Next is a small pistol , cross bow , with a couple hundred darts. Last item is a Blowgun with a couple hundred small game , broad head , darts. Everything is angled to gathering meat for meals. The 22 stays put up except for hunting season. The others make good practice items the rest of the year so I stay proficient with them.
If the SHTF we’ll have at least 50,000,000 people out hunting for food. Th woods will be a barren silent place inside two weeks. Don’t count too much on hunting. Fishing will be more productive
I like the bows idea, I like the idea of having a folding bow for defense too because it's quiet and you can reuse arrows most of the time. And @@herbertbrown119 good point.
@@mark7362 Bear in mind archery is a bit more demanding than shooting a gun. If you intend to use practice is not optional
Desiccant bags are a must for long term storage. The only time you have too much ammo is if you are swimming/drowning.
I was trained to get what I need with just one round. Take what the other guy has...so the answer is one round. This was proven effective with the "liberator" pistol in WW2.
I have a family of four. If we go through 1000 rounds of 5.56, at 250/person…. There is no way I’ll need all four rifles the next year. Sad fact. Drop at least 250/year. So I’m thinking 1000, 750, 500, 250, 0. So 2500 should last till our last stand. That said, I don’t expect for myself to live forever. In a societal collapse, My magazines aren’t just for me, they are for the people running up behind me to take, inset and keep moving forward. Rounds will be flying in both directions.
I’m at 2000 per caliber. Going for more when prices come down to earth
Doubtful prices will come down for a very long time I'm sorry to say .
i just bought 1000rds 9mm from Bereli..shipped for 330.00
This was an excellent video, thank you!
Great video, I just saw your channel for the first time. I like the way you brake things down and I have to say you pointed out some stuff I really need to work on. Thank you.
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@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 I did
Have a pellet gun. A powerful one pump pellet gun. Accurate as hell and ten thousand rounds costs next to nothing.
Lightweight ammo. Takes up almost no space. Impervious to heat, cold, and moisture.
Only other thing you need is a small bottle of oil.
Use that to harvest small game for food. Not silent, but quieter than a .22. Cheaper too. And saves your ammo for two-legged predators.
Also, a basic recurve bow. Preferably not wood so you don't have to ever de-string it.
Lots of arrows, broadheads, practice heads, slip-on fletching/nocks for repairs. String wax. Couple of spare strings with nock rests already installed. All set for all sorts of things!
When the SHTF, no one is going to say, "Dang. I've got too much ammo."
when you try to bug out, you will, because you'll be leaving 1000s of rounds behind. you can only carry 500 without serious problems with weight
@@Adam-kr8wy bury that shit, come back for it later
Enemy combatants usually have weapons ammunition communications and field equipment on them. So all you need is some sentry elimination skills and a knife or a good stout piano wire.
Sure. Start from the bottom like in a video game!
@@outdooradventuretrainingsy6009 Sure, or like real life. I'm a 67 year old vet so if you're cought out without, due to circumstances, you can make it. I don't play any video crap if you were being intellectually snide, but regardless, thanks for your video.
Remember, in SHTF ammo is not just for shooting, but also barter.
An extended SHTF, it will likely be currency
I store whiskey and tobacco to barter with and would even barter with some of my food, but would not barter any ammo because they might just use it against me.
Just keep buying. Doesn't matter if it's practice or defense rounds. Both will do the job.
I guess we might be finding out, soon.
Nice job here. Like the channel, your knowledge and delivery. Keep up the good work brother, we need more of you offering solid info to others.
Frenchie here, I have no idea how this video got recommended to me.
I gotta say it gives me chills to hear you talking so casually about a possible civil war. I knew America was fractured socially but to such an extent?? What is going on?
I hope it never comes to this... After a war on European soil, another one in America is the last thing this world needs. Hope everybody stays safe
Strange that you reach that conclusion. I don't remember me mentioning Civil War at all!
Maybe he miss took the "civil unrest" to mean civil war at around 2:15 There's a difference... What the USA experienced in 2020 with the BLM riots was an eye opener for many US citizens who just want to live their life in peace without having their homes and businesses being burned down. There was an unpressidented firearms sales during the BLM riots and covid pandemic and that was due to people preparing for another bad round of riots and/or a worse covid in the future.
@@TheFlyingZulu exactly
The answer is as much as possible... ammunition will become currency thus giving you an ability to trade.
I look at weapons as a system. Ammo, spare parts, mags and load bearing gear are all components of that system. Each weapon system must have all those things at a minimum. I also recommend stocking reloading components, which, after the initial investment of the press, dies, and other tools, the powder, bullets, primers, and brass can keep the cost of restocking ammo reasonable.
Parts can be ordered from Gun Parts Corp, Sarco,and other online sources.
Thank you for the informative video.
My Vietnam-Vet DI's in basic training 1981 said make sure you have enough to get more !