I LOVE long videos. I will watch an hour. I make art as I am watching. I am retired so I have as much time as I want to watch demos. I've made all these papers in after school classes I taught for grade school children. I also made them with my Kindergarten students and they all just loved doing these!
The longer videos are to my liking, if people drop off the you tube channel it's probably because they're not really interested in what's being shown, that's my opinion. I would like to see more but I'll watch part two, thank you for sharing this great technique with all of us who are really interested in it.
Well isn't that cool. If you look in the supplies list for Part 2 of this paper, I also link an inexpensive ink kit that does this without surfactant. I'm all about easy!
LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!! Great work, very informative and I can’t wait to experiment! Definitely into 15 minute videos. And I can’t wait to see you use the mulberry paper!
Haven’t tried this technique yet but I’ve been watching a few videos to learn how. One thing I learned is that to make the coloured inks works, you pretreat the papers with alum water. I picked this tip up on Auria Bohn’s channel.
I didn't need to use the alum, but rather bought marbling inks made for this technique. In Part 2 of this technique I share the link to the marbling inks. Much simpler process.
Near the beginning, before you add the ink. However, if you watch Part Two of this paper, you don't need surfactant at all if you use special inks that do this part for you.
PhotoFlo is added to the final wash when you are developing film. It allows the water to “sheet” off of the film/negatives without leaving streaks and water spots behind. Which would then leave spots and marks on the prints made with those negatives, often ruining the print.
The dishsoap is also a surfactant. I’m going to try adding a drop or two to the sumi ink and see what happens. I just donated all my darkroom equipment, paper and chemicals to a community darkroom. Who knew I would want to hold on to my bottle of PhotoFlo!
That makes sense. I'm now using an ink made especially for this process that I'll share on Tuesday when I add color to the demo. No surfactant is even better!
@@catrains.artist Ah shoot! The wetting agent didn't work... I tried various amounts to no avail; the ink started on the surface, but slowly sunk to the bottom before I could get enough design to take a pull. Well, I had the WA on hand - so it was worth a try, but I'll get the Kodak stuff on order. Can't wait! 😉
wow, so cool. pretty. don't mind the length as I am looking for the tutorial part. If that takes longer to explain or give examples it is worth it. Love the papers
It's called : papier à la cuve and it's made with tapestry hlue and water .instead of ink it's oil paints .. it's a very old technic for decorating papers in binding book technics
I find that speeding up the video can get me though long videos. It really depends on what is being shown. I can kind of watch 2 hour sessions if they are live and I'm doing something while watching but if it's a rerun, I speed things up and turn on the subtitles in case I missed something. And i don't always watch everything in one sitting.
@@catrains.artist it really depends on how fast someone speaks. Often those who are new to English and some dialects, such as many American in the south, speak slow enough that speeding it up is quite easy to understand. I know that I have gotten some very negative reactions when I've mentioned it before, like I am breaking some code of conduct by changing the speed. I also slow things down and rerun things I don't comprehend the first time around.
This is a really cool process and one that I hope to try really soon! I love to make journals, and I think this technique would make excellent covers. I do want to address something that was mentioned about Sumi ink. Sumi Ink is made from soot and animal glue whereas acrylic ink uses pigments and polymers as the binder. This may be the reason the acrylic inks wouldn't work in this process. The acrylic inks might work if the suspension is something other than soap...like maybe isopropyl alcohol.
You are right, these papers would make stunning journal covers. Would love to see what you do with them. Thanks so much for the information about the inks. The acrylic ink did for this process as long as photo flo was added, but it was not near as easy as when using sumi ink or marbling ink (linked in part 2 of this demo).
You add it to the Sumi Ink or other ink you try this with. Its what makes the ink float on top of the water. Also takes a bit of experimenting to get the amount right as its different for each ink and paint.
I don't think that product will work. Watch the second Suminagashi video and there is a link to a low priced product that makes both color and black and white prints like this. Its a kit with both colored and black inks. Easy to use.
just wanted to let you know, why after a while the inks wont come off the brush as much anymore or as you said it wont deposit any ink onto the surface, and this is because of physics. you cant deposit stuff onto the watersurface endlessly. the inks float due to the water-density and surface tension and as you probably know, but just for completion, the surfactant helps with the spreading cause it reduces the surface tension of the water...and while you continue to add stuff, that is inks and soapy water, to the surface the tension increases back again until there wont be any space left for the ink to spread to. and when you dropped that larger amount of soapy water the surface became saturated enough. Just because you were asking or wondering why this happens, i hope i dont come across as a smarty-pants, i m just mightyly interested in such things. which doesnt mean at all that i am a successful watermarbler.. its actually the complete opposite.. the suminagashi did work after some try and error, but i am really trying (but never achieved) to marble the traditional western way to add some beautiful handmarbeld endpapers to my bookbindings. and while desperately trying different things, trying to figure out the reason, for failing to make the paints float, i came across suminagashi and recently also your channel. some success there atleast! thank you for sharing your experiences. :)
I very much appreciate you sharing the physics behind when this sometimes doesn't work. Fascinating! Have you watched part 2 of this demo when I used color inks? They don't need a surfactant, and are easier to create.
Can you use anything else in place of the photo flow ? I’m in UK and Amazon is out of stock and EBay only sells big bottles which are expensive. In fact most online photography suppliers are out of stock. Thank you.
Try Liquitex Flow Aid Additive, it should work the same way. Both Kodak Photo Flow and the Liquitex Flow Aid are concentrates and should be mixed with water to use.
I think maybe your "black" brush absorbed some water or too much water and that's why it stops working. Maybe dab off the tip and dip in your ink again might help.
I usually watch up to 15 minutes. If I see it’s longer, I speed up the playback. I prefer not to do that bc your voice is more soothing and relaxing to listen to when in regular speed you don’t sound like a hyper chipmunk 😂.
I actually prefer that as well, and try to make this as short as I can. The live version is twice as long, and then I edit it down to half! Wish I could explain things with less words!
Brilliant. I like both long and shorter. Love this.
Good to know, thank you!
I LOVE long videos. I will watch an hour. I make art as I am watching. I am retired so I have as much time as I want to watch demos. I've made all these papers in after school classes I taught for grade school children. I also made them with my Kindergarten students and they all just loved doing these!
Thanks for letting me know Anne. I wish all my subscribers liked them long, easier to do! Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Wow!!! What a fantastic technique. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this and sharing it. I really enjoy how you teach. ❤
What a kind thing to say, thank you!!!
THIS LOOKS SO FUN!
SO MUCH FUN! Hope you will give it a go!
So impressed with your work! I can't wait until I try this. Thank you!
What a kind thing to say Carol, thank you!
The longer videos are to my liking, if people drop off the you tube channel it's probably because they're not really interested in what's being shown, that's my opinion. I would like to see more but I'll watch part two, thank you for sharing this great technique with all of us who are really interested in it.
I truly appreciate the feedback about the length of my videos. Very helpful information as I continue to share new videos. Bless you!
I can’t wait to try this! We use surfactant with respiratory patients in the NICU at the hospital. I never realized there’s an art application!
Well isn't that cool. If you look in the supplies list for Part 2 of this paper, I also link an inexpensive ink kit that does this without surfactant. I'm all about easy!
30 minutes are sufficient, thanks so much .
Thanks for the feedback, good to know.
Absolutely gorgeous!!!
Awww thank you! Hope you try making these, super fun.
LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!! Great work, very informative and I can’t wait to experiment! Definitely into 15 minute videos. And I can’t wait to see you use the mulberry paper!
Thanks for making my day Terry! I with you as far as 15 minute videos. Not sure how to make this that short, but I'm only beginning.
Haven’t tried this technique yet but I’ve been watching a few videos to learn how. One thing I learned is that to make the coloured inks works, you pretreat the papers with alum water. I picked this tip up on Auria Bohn’s channel.
I didn't need to use the alum, but rather bought marbling inks made for this technique. In Part 2 of this technique I share the link to the marbling inks. Much simpler process.
Very interesting!!
When do you add the surfactant?
Near the beginning, before you add the ink. However, if you watch Part Two of this paper, you don't need surfactant at all if you use special inks that do this part for you.
PhotoFlo is added to the final wash when you are developing film. It allows the water to “sheet” off of the film/negatives without leaving streaks and water spots behind. Which would then leave spots and marks on the prints made with those negatives, often ruining the print.
The dishsoap is also a surfactant. I’m going to try adding a drop or two to the sumi ink and see what happens. I just donated all my darkroom equipment, paper and chemicals to a community darkroom. Who knew I would want to hold on to my bottle of PhotoFlo!
Thanks for letting me know how it is used in photo processing. I'm imagined it would be something like that!
That makes sense. I'm now using an ink made especially for this process that I'll share on Tuesday when I add color to the demo. No surfactant is even better!
You can use metal hair picks to draw through and the results are gorgeous!
What a fabulous idea! Thanks for sharing.
Personally, I like 30 min videos. I took a marbling class @ 30+ yrs ago for wearable art & we made marbled T-shirts. Would love to do this with paper.
I truly appreciate the feedback Peggy. Good to know that 30 minutes is not too long. Marbling in tees sounds beautiful.
Thank you for the video you’re very good teacher.
You are very welcome! Thank you for watching 💖
Great results. Di from Tasmania australia
So glad you enjoyed the video. Lovely to connect from across the world.
How interesting!!! LOVE it! Gonna have to try it. Thank you! (:
Hope you enjoy it as well. These are sooooo much fun to make.
I love all your works. What is the white ring in the water?
The white ring is create by dipping the paint brush in soap water, and then alternation it with the brush with the paint on it.
Great demo, as always! I'm definitely trying this technique - such interesting (beautiful!) papers! Can't wait for Part II.
I would love to see what you create with this. Would you mind taking a pic of the papers and posting to Instagram with the hashtag #tuneintuesart ?
@@catrains.artist will do! ...if it turns out, lol, like I said - I'm trying the Wetting Agent before I order the Kodak stuff... ❤
@@susanbilyeu22 Would love to know if wetting agent works as well. Please let me know!
@@catrains.artist Ah shoot! The wetting agent didn't work... I tried various amounts to no avail; the ink started on the surface, but slowly sunk to the bottom before I could get enough design to take a pull. Well, I had the WA on hand - so it was worth a try, but I'll get the Kodak stuff on order. Can't wait! 😉
@@susanbilyeu22 Oh poo, I was hoping that this could be a good alternative. I'll be showing you an ink on Tuesday that doesn't need Photo Flo!
wow, so cool. pretty. don't mind the length as I am looking for the tutorial part. If that takes longer to explain or give examples it is worth it. Love the papers
I truly appreciate the feedback. Have you listened to part 2 of this demo with color ink? That might interest you as well.
@@catrains.artist I just found it and am starting to watch it. Cannot wait, because I really like that paper!
It's called : papier à la cuve and it's made with tapestry hlue and water .instead of ink it's oil paints .. it's a very old technic for decorating papers in binding book technics
Thanks for the information. Never heard of this, sounds fascinating.
I’ve just started Sumi-E with the ink sticks you grind. I have it in several colours. Now I want to try this. Thank you 😊
Have fun! Thank you for watching!
I find that speeding up the video can get me though long videos. It really depends on what is being shown. I can kind of watch 2 hour sessions if they are live and I'm doing something while watching but if it's a rerun, I speed things up and turn on the subtitles in case I missed something. And i don't always watch everything in one sitting.
Sounds like you have a great system for watching RUclips videos!
@@catrains.artist it really depends on how fast someone speaks. Often those who are new to English and some dialects, such as many American in the south, speak slow enough that speeding it up is quite easy to understand. I know that I have gotten some very negative reactions when I've mentioned it before, like I am breaking some code of conduct by changing the speed. I also slow things down and rerun things I don't comprehend the first time around.
@@katpaints I think its smart to speed up videos! Go to it!
@@catrains.artist LOL! Oh, yes! I'm too old to not get it all in ASAP!!!
@@katpaints Indeed!
This is a really cool process and one that I hope to try really soon! I love to make journals, and I think this technique would make excellent covers. I do want to address something that was mentioned about Sumi ink. Sumi Ink is made from soot and animal glue whereas acrylic ink uses pigments and polymers as the binder. This may be the reason the acrylic inks wouldn't work in this process. The acrylic inks might work if the suspension is something other than soap...like maybe isopropyl alcohol.
You are right, these papers would make stunning journal covers. Would love to see what you do with them. Thanks so much for the information about the inks. The acrylic ink did for this process as long as photo flo was added, but it was not near as easy as when using sumi ink or marbling ink (linked in part 2 of this demo).
@@catrains.artist Thanks! I'm watching part 2 now!! Thanks for your demonstrations and inspiration!!
@@cab552 Oh how fabulous. I like part 2 even better than part 1!
30min tutorials please😊
Truly appreciate the feedback about how long to do these. Seems impossible to do just 15 minutes, but I might have to do 30!
Great video! The video needs to be as long as it takes to get the information across…this was perfect! Do you have to dry these flat?
I dry my flat on a shower curtain, but you can also hang them to dry. The paint sets almost immediately.
Great stuff. How do you use the Kodak flow? I did not see that.
You add it to the Sumi Ink or other ink you try this with. Its what makes the ink float on top of the water. Also takes a bit of experimenting to get the amount right as its different for each ink and paint.
Would liquitex professional flow aid work? Struggling to find the Kodak.
I don't think that product will work. Watch the second Suminagashi video and there is a link to a low priced product that makes both color and black and white prints like this. Its a kit with both colored and black inks. Easy to use.
I like 15 minutes!
Thank you, Linda! I am trying to find the sweet spot! I appreciate your feedback
@@catrains.artist just easier for me when I’m busy and you do wonderful demos in a short time! ❤️
A demo can be 2 hr if it is interesting!
just wanted to let you know, why after a while the inks wont come off the brush as much anymore or as you said it wont deposit any ink onto the surface, and this is because of physics. you cant deposit stuff onto the watersurface endlessly. the inks float due to the water-density and surface tension and as you probably know, but just for completion, the surfactant helps with the spreading cause it reduces the surface tension of the water...and while you continue to add stuff, that is inks and soapy water, to the surface the tension increases back again until there wont be any space left for the ink to spread to. and when you dropped that larger amount of soapy water the surface became saturated enough. Just because you were asking or wondering why this happens, i hope i dont come across as a smarty-pants, i m just mightyly interested in such things. which doesnt mean at all that i am a successful watermarbler.. its actually the complete opposite.. the suminagashi did work after some try and error, but i am really trying (but never achieved) to marble the traditional western way to add some beautiful handmarbeld endpapers to my bookbindings. and while desperately trying different things, trying to figure out the reason, for failing to make the paints float, i came across suminagashi and recently also your channel. some success there atleast! thank you for sharing your experiences. :)
I very much appreciate you sharing the physics behind when this sometimes doesn't work. Fascinating! Have you watched part 2 of this demo when I used color inks? They don't need a surfactant, and are easier to create.
Can you use anything else in place of the photo flow ? I’m in UK and Amazon is out of stock and EBay only sells big bottles which are expensive. In fact most online photography suppliers are out of stock. Thank you.
I just added a link to a product under "show more" that requires no photo flo and is cheap. Should be available world wide. Enjoy!
Try Liquitex Flow Aid Additive, it should work the same way. Both Kodak Photo Flow and the Liquitex Flow Aid are concentrates and should be mixed with water to use.
Tap water, sumi and eventually some dishsoap. Not more. No toxic or expensive schnickschnack! 🙄
Glad the simple approach works to create this for you.
How about using colored paper??!!!
Could be interesting, haven't tried it. Let me know what happens when YOU do!!!
I think maybe your "black" brush absorbed some water or too much water and that's why it stops working. Maybe dab off the tip and dip in your ink again might help.
Very good suggestion. Thank you!
Cara Cat, reputo molto interessanti i tuoi video, ma avrei bisogno dei sottotitoli in italiano. Puoi aiutarmi ?
I might not be translating this correctly. You are asking if you can help yourself?
Hello Cat, I think your videos very interesting, but I don't understand English so I need to have Italian subtitles. Can you help me?
@@alessandraspagnuolo8715 I wish I could help but I don't have a translator for my videos.
Dear Catherine, thanks anyway... compliments for your art! ⚘️
10:17 Totally looks like tree rings
Yes, it does!
I usually watch up to 15 minutes. If I see it’s longer, I speed up the playback. I prefer not to do that bc your voice is more soothing and relaxing to listen to when in regular speed you don’t sound like a hyper chipmunk 😂.
Good to know! And thank you 😊
30 MINUTES IS GREAT. DON'T LIKE HOUR LONG ONES
I very much appreciate the feedback. Will definitely keep them to 30 minutes or less~!
I prefer shorter videos and I watch at x2 speed-my attention span is short.
I actually prefer that as well, and try to make this as short as I can. The live version is twice as long, and then I edit it down to half! Wish I could explain things with less words!
@@catrains.artist LOL. It’s better to explain thoroughly than to miss a step.
@@XenobiaF That's what I thought!