All the griping below. For those that might not be aware, if the locomotive sits for a period of time unused, the crew first opens relief valves in the cylinders and rolls the engine over to clear out any moisture in them. Then they have to close all the valves, prime for oil and fuel, then try and start it. Then idle to build air in the tanks to work the locomotive and train brakes. It takes time.
You prime the fuel after clearing any coolant out of the cylinders. There’s no way to “prime” the oil on a GP 7 or 9 other than cranking the engine up or rolling it over until it pumps up, then the risk of overheating the starters and locking them out is very high.
Makes sense why they leave locomotives idling for days around here. Much easier than having to go through this whole process daily. Thank you for posting
Either that or the batteries are old and will not provide enough power to start the unit after being shut down Alco engines had an air start system It needed 100psi to start the engine Unless you had two units you didn't shut them down and besides you better be wearing ear protecters will you start
I lost my father in 1996 and he would have loved videos like this one. And the rest of the train content here on RUclips. He was an engineer for metro north. (Bud car).
Always nice to see older locomotives getting a second or even a third life. Honestly, this is a really nice piece of railroad history and if a smaller company can use her, why not. High hoods are rare enough, but one in this good a shape, even rarer. All it needs is a decent paint job and some TLC and she will likely serve her new company for a long time. 🚇🇺🇸
There's loads of high hood geeps like this still in service and in way better condition than this one. Aberdeen and Rockfish still have their GP7 that they bought from new.
It's a two stroke diesel. Like the old Detroit Diesels, they require a blower or turbo in order for them to take in enough air as they cannot without one.
@@xenomorph2056 As a retired engineer, not so crazy about long hood forward. I've operated E44's and RS11's long hood forward as a student engineer for PC NJ Div., kind of a pain in the butt. The GG1's were worse.
Southern railroad always ran high hood and cab in the rear. I miss watching the old trains. All the old road names that floated around are long gone. I saw a Wabash box car in 86 and thought that was so cool.
That was easy. Crank... Stop to bless the engine (let the heat soak in). Crank... One more blessing. Crank... Run. If only all engines would start that easy.
ATSF did the same thing to their 7s, 9s and 20s that went into local/yard service. SP just took out the resistors and fan and left a big hole in the carbody.
Using wife's phone today not her opinions At first I was trying to figure out what it was them to see a running High Hood but also in revenue service not a museum piece this is awesome I'm just seeing this but it's from 6 years ago I hope it's still in service I'm going to try to find it it would be a shame if it ever gets cut up well found it not revenue as moving freight but excursion rail road just as good it's running
They run it through a few rounds with the test cocks open in case there’s any coolant on top of a piston. Then they close the test cocks, if they bothered to open them first, and fire it up. So they start on all 16 cylinders.
@Daniel Collins Condensation doesn’t get in there, it’s coolant if anything. They don’t leak like everybody seems to think they do, and it’s not mandatory to open the test cocks when starting them up. I’ve been working on them for 25 years now, and I can say that pretty much nobody opens those and turns the engine over anymore. With the size of the dish in the top of the piston, it would take a half gallon of “condensation” to even come close to hydrolocking it.
Why is that guy being so secretive? Those doors will swing wide open and he keeps ducking in behind them like he's protecting national secrets. There's barely room between the doors and the engine to close them yet he ducks behind the doors squeezing himself in there. Something's just not right with him.
Just a guess, but it looks like it was windy. In that event it's a good idea to let them rest against you rather than open them wide, because if the wind catches them they'll come flying back round and smack you pretty hard, especially those double doors. There's also quite a lot of space there, it doesn't look at all like he's squeezing himself at all, he's just reaching in to close the valves.
@@bulletz9280 If you had worked on as many of those as I have, you’d know it’s a tight fit to get in there and close the doors. I hold the upwind door open with my foot or put my tool bag in front of it to block it open if I’m going to be there a while.
When was the lastime it wastarted? Can they crank it to get oil distributed well before combustion begins? I keep our Lexus RX350 emergencyehiclengine somewhat heated with a magnetic oilpan heater withood and grill covered with a blanketo contain heat. Hope they do not rev thengine when started.
I think he means the first time it was started after this railroad took possession of it. Sort of like the first time you turn the key in a used car you just bought.
+Thad ward Actually, I have, on three separate occasions. In 1994, I bought my friend's old Plymouth. I had never driven the car personally, but I knew he took care of the car and drove it frequently. In 2004, I bought a 1967 Ford via eBay auction, for $400, and traveled to Illinois to fetch it. Turns out all it needed was a carb overhaul and a good tuneup - both of which I performed on-site. I had come equipped to drag it home if needed, but it actually ran quite well and didn't give me a lick of trouble the 330 miles home. In 2011, I purchased a 1961 Ford Starliner from a guy in Scottsdale, AZ and had it shipped to me. I wasn't all that concerned with whether it ran or not; the body and interior were in well above-average condition and in any case, I had a 'compatible' motor and transmission available to me. Turns out I didn't need them; the car ran like the proverbial watch, and the motor and trans I had waiting remained in my '67 Ford. Yes, that very same 1967 Ford. In any case, there is a moment when you turn the key for the first time of a vehicle that is actually YOURS, and not someone else's, n'est pas? THAT'S what the video is about.
xaenon you are quite the car guy! I was only kidding about the train, and your comment as well. I bought a 300z at auction a few years back and it actually ran well. Cheers
+Thad ward a little too much a 'car guy', actually. It's gotten me into trouble on more than one occasion. My friends thought I was nuts for buying that Starliner that way. And truth be told, I probably was... a little.
The only thing that hurts the oil is water or fuel contamination. Locomotives don’t care how old the fuel is, they run on just about any diesel fuel as long as it doesn’t have any water in it.
#5 fuel injector is over fueling. Govenor could use a little tweeking. 1500 hp. Blowers used 750 hp. First generation EMD . Later turbo engines had 3000 hp . EMDs were 2cycle engines. They were artificially aspirated . Blowers robbed horsepower, turbo added HP......
Yep, blower engines are normally aspirated, the turbo engines are a combination setup where it’s a blower until about notch 6 when the exhaust gases and heat can drive the turbo faster than the gear train can, then it’s pure turbo.
dieseltrainfreek Unless specifically ordered at the time the engine was built EMD did not install prelude equipment. And the engine we're looking at is either a late gp-9 or a gp-18. Identifier is 48 inch cooling fans versus 4 36 inch fans on the earlier gp-7's and gp-9's. Nice seeing an first generation GP being used on a startup.
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All the griping below. For those that might not be aware, if the locomotive sits for a period of time unused, the crew first opens relief valves in the cylinders and rolls the engine over to clear out any moisture in them. Then they have to close all the valves, prime for oil and fuel, then try and start it. Then idle to build air in the tanks to work the locomotive and train brakes. It takes time.
Amen brother u know it👊
Yeah, you don't just jump in and roll it over like your Chevy Truck! (Not to mention excess water does particularly nasty things!)
Water doesn't compress. Get enough of it in a cylinder and it'll give you a rebuild real quick
On a GM prime mover yes,those leaked like a seive.
On a G.E.engine,just start it like your car.
You prime the fuel after clearing any coolant out of the cylinders. There’s no way to “prime” the oil on a GP 7 or 9 other than cranking the engine up or rolling it over until it pumps up, then the risk of overheating the starters and locking them out is very high.
Love the sound of that Roots Blower. The EMD 567 prime mover. It’s what sent the steam locomotives to the scrap yard.
Makes sense why they leave locomotives idling for days around here. Much easier than having to go through this whole process daily. Thank you for posting
Either that or the batteries are old and will not provide enough power to start the unit after being shut down Alco engines had an air start system It needed 100psi to start the engine Unless you had two units you didn't shut them down and besides you better be wearing ear protecters will you start
I lost my father in 1996 and he would have loved videos like this one. And the rest of the train content here on RUclips. He was an engineer for metro north. (Bud car).
Who was your Dad, I worked Metro North for 20 years?
Just love the sound of EMD Geeps!
Always nice to see older locomotives getting a second or even a third life. Honestly, this is a really nice piece of railroad history and if a smaller company can use her, why not. High hoods are rare enough, but one in this good a shape, even rarer. All it needs is a decent paint job and some TLC and she will likely serve her new company for a long time. 🚇🇺🇸
Would have been nice to see her move
There's loads of high hood geeps like this still in service and in way better condition than this one. Aberdeen and Rockfish still have their GP7 that they bought from new.
Boxcar Broadcasting Co. Colebrook dale also has an =NS gp38 hogh hood
Hard to believe these locomotives were once state-of-the-art.
While watching my only thought was why are the numbers so fresh looking ??? Love there beasts and all trains. What a process but they do come alive.
You can hear the crank spinning even at the distance the camera is placed. Amazing!!!!
Give that gorgeous old gal a beautiful paint job. Thanks for the video
Starts up at 6:00.
That old Geep sounds pretty good and I always loved the generator whine on them!
Sounds more like the turbo-charger, to me.
@@TimWilson888 that's not turbo whine
@@TimWilson888 That's the sound of the blower.
It's a two stroke diesel. Like the old Detroit Diesels, they require a blower or turbo in order for them to take in enough air as they cannot without one.
That’s the blowers, not the generator.
A great train video. Thanks for sharing 👍
Greetings Joe 😊
Best sounding diesel ever!
A nice old EMD GP-9. At first, gotta make sure all the squirrels are in the cage.
Gp-18 48 inch cooling fans.
What a beautiful noise!!
After a long very hard work life a Nice Retirement for
the 2944 / 7236, making people Happy. Not the scrap yard...
This was part of the same PRR fleet as the GP9 that sits at Horseshoe Curve.
Long hood forward operation, I was wondering what the pedigree was, thanks.
High hood are my favorite!! Trains
I'm with you on that one!!!
@@xenomorph2056 As a retired engineer, not so crazy about long hood forward. I've operated E44's and RS11's long hood forward as a student engineer for PC NJ Div., kind of a pain in the butt. The GG1's were worse.
Love those old high hoods
Southern railroad always ran high hood and cab in the rear. I miss watching the old trains. All the old road names that floated around are long gone. I saw a Wabash box car in 86 and thought that was so cool.
Okay, the nearly endless 6 minutes before she fires up is time I will never get back, BUT from then on this is pure gold. Hi from the UK🇬🇧🛤🎧🎚
🎩🎩 off to the Crew that got HER up and Running 🚂🚂 Years ago I watched GP9s move Cars around in Flint GRAND TRUNK YARD what a Sight and Sound! Thanks
I used to ride my bike to the local GTW yard to watch the GP9, while drinking Faygo redpop. Wearing my WRIF T-shirt and holding my transitor radio.
The old girl running strong. Just needs a little primer and a fresh coat of paint. For another 50 years of service.
I’ve never heard an emd hunt like their detroit siblings as this one did
That was easy.
Crank... Stop to bless the engine (let the heat soak in).
Crank... One more blessing.
Crank... Run.
If only all engines would start that easy.
Not really, read the comment of littlewingpsc27 above.
That poor engine looks like hell a new paint job a new set of tires and she would look proud as she could be..... Tires you know what I'm talkin about
I had a lawnmower like that once
Locomower
beautiful engine !!
Looks like and ex Conrail to me. The dynamic brake vent is plated over.
ATSF did the same thing to their 7s, 9s and 20s that went into local/yard service. SP just took out the resistors and fan and left a big hole in the carbody.
She sounds healthy. Nice startup. Next time though get closer to pick up the sound more.
Like hearing old iron starting up nothing like it
nice Roots compressor sound...
High street near Penn Village,she will receive a new paint job soon if she sits there too long.
LOL TRUE
It’s an old DC engine I haven’t heard them whining like that for years
Great to see the old beast whir back to life!
Typical EMD, lasts one day short of forever.
I Love trains
I hope they got a good price on this unit.
Great video. Lot of smoke. 👍👍👍
Silver with red trim was a Route of the Burlington, paint scheme, not the Pennsy.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore; not like they did back in 1954!
Using wife's phone today not her opinions At first I was trying to figure out what it was them to see a running High Hood but also in revenue service not a museum piece this is awesome I'm just seeing this but it's from 6 years ago I hope it's still in service I'm going to try to find it it would be a shame if it ever gets cut up well found it not revenue as moving freight but excursion rail road just as good it's running
2 GP 9's still operating in the north of where I live that is st thomas ont canada
Will it fit in my honda?
if you drop it from 50ft or greater that motor will fit darn near anything u wana drop it in to
Do they start on all cylinders or open a decompression valve on a couple to make cranking easier on the starter?
I didn't see anyone go out to close them after a couple of minutes running so I'm guessing they didn't.
They run it through a few rounds with the test cocks open in case there’s any coolant on top of a piston. Then they close the test cocks, if they bothered to open them first, and fire it up. So they start on all 16 cylinders.
@Daniel Collins
Condensation doesn’t get in there, it’s coolant if anything. They don’t leak like everybody seems to think they do, and it’s not mandatory to open the test cocks when starting them up. I’ve been working on them for 25 years now, and I can say that pretty much nobody opens those and turns the engine over anymore.
With the size of the dish in the top of the piston, it would take a half gallon of “condensation” to even come close to hydrolocking it.
"Very first startup in years you mean", look at that rust!
They should refurbish the engine
Next time, hold the layshaft closed, crank with no fuel to get some heat up top....let sit...THEN let the layshaft open a bit to let it start.
Do you want a burnt start winding? Because that is how you get a burnt start winding
You can crank forever before you hurt the starting winding pin the main generator.
Why is that guy being so secretive? Those doors will swing wide open and he keeps ducking in behind them like he's protecting national secrets. There's barely room between the doors and the engine to close them yet he ducks behind the doors squeezing himself in there. Something's just not right with him.
Just a guess, but it looks like it was windy. In that event it's a good idea to let them rest against you rather than open them wide, because if the wind catches them they'll come flying back round and smack you pretty hard, especially those double doors. There's also quite a lot of space there, it doesn't look at all like he's squeezing himself at all, he's just reaching in to close the valves.
Maybe cold and windy? Look at their jackets
@@bulletz9280
If you had worked on as many of those as I have, you’d know it’s a tight fit to get in there and close the doors. I hold the upwind door open with my foot or put my tool bag in front of it to block it open if I’m going to be there a while.
good show ,,not abandoned,,[ resting] land rail ,landbank,,future access.
Where’s the pipe wrench for the lay shaft ? 😋
Looks like an ex Conrail GP10,Possibly ex NYC by the bell placement.
Harold Fannin It is an ex Conrail GP10, but this unit was actually built as PRR GP9 7236.
EMD GP9! PENNSYLVANIA!
i like the video
When was the lastime it wastarted? Can they crank it to get oil distributed well before combustion begins?
I keep our Lexus RX350 emergencyehiclengine somewhat heated with a magnetic oilpan heater withood and grill covered with a blanketo contain heat. Hope they do not rev thengine when started.
Robert Gift I
Wtf dude this isn't a Lexus..
Running a lot of your words together.
@@barrycarlisle4511 By sharing letters I savelectrons!
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Same applies. You wanthengine warm if possible with lubricants well distributed before firing.
What ? Are you afraid to get a bit closer ?
I think it needs a tune up
very first ? I think it has been started a time or two
I think he means the first time it was started after this railroad took possession of it. Sort of like the first time you turn the key in a used car you just bought.
xaenon who buys a used car without even starting it?
+Thad ward Actually, I have, on three separate occasions.
In 1994, I bought my friend's old Plymouth. I had never driven the car personally, but I knew he took care of the car and drove it frequently.
In 2004, I bought a 1967 Ford via eBay auction, for $400, and traveled to Illinois to fetch it. Turns out all it needed was a carb overhaul and a good tuneup - both of which I performed on-site. I had come equipped to drag it home if needed, but it actually ran quite well and didn't give me a lick of trouble the 330 miles home.
In 2011, I purchased a 1961 Ford Starliner from a guy in Scottsdale, AZ and had it shipped to me. I wasn't all that concerned with whether it ran or not; the body and interior were in well above-average condition and in any case, I had a 'compatible' motor and transmission available to me. Turns out I didn't need them; the car ran like the proverbial watch, and the motor and trans I had waiting remained in my '67 Ford. Yes, that very same 1967 Ford.
In any case, there is a moment when you turn the key for the first time of a vehicle that is actually YOURS, and not someone else's, n'est pas? THAT'S what the video is about.
xaenon
you are quite the car guy! I was only kidding about the train, and your comment as well. I bought a 300z at auction a few years back and it actually ran well. Cheers
+Thad ward a little too much a 'car guy', actually. It's gotten me into trouble on more than one occasion. My friends thought I was nuts for buying that Starliner that way. And truth be told, I probably was... a little.
First start by new owner. Might have a burnt ring.
This poor baby is tired, she jus wouldn't start up rightaway, she needs a new fresh heart.
A lot less smoke than the alcos
one cylinder doesnt work,listen the sound.
I thought I heard a pop, misfire, backfire, whatever you call it, lol when it finally started 👍
What's the wires for?
So was the fuel new or left over and how long can a locomotive sit before the batteries and engine oil are useless ?
The only thing that hurts the oil is water or fuel contamination. Locomotives don’t care how old the fuel is, they run on just about any diesel fuel as long as it doesn’t have any water in it.
Is this a privately owned locomotive?
Please stop fiddling with the camera setting...
I subscribed. Joe
Great Vid but ya got the Number wrong
No sound
It has a blower
It’s 2944
I thought a new train would be shinier.
Its nowhere near being new.
yeah, it’s at least 50+ years old. it’s new to the railroad, but the locomotive itself isn’t new.
@@kansasstatealerting2874 Mine was a tongue in cheek post - no more than that.
que Belo trem 😎✌👂👍
Too quiet!
If it was delivered to me in that condition, I would have had the company arrested, disgusting paintwork !!
Preston still owes money to Bob Lowe for the paint damages done to his locomotive when he ran it at this joke of a railroad.
Nice video... 7236 is GP9???
GP-10 rebuild. But yes it was a GP-9
- CONRAIL
2 stroke engine,,,sure prelube the engine before start and primig a lot.
This train been for long time to start up locomotive sit on the track so these guys are experience with freight train
#5 fuel injector is over fueling. Govenor could use a little tweeking. 1500 hp. Blowers used 750 hp. First generation EMD . Later turbo engines had 3000 hp . EMDs were 2cycle engines. They were artificially aspirated . Blowers robbed horsepower, turbo added HP......
Jack Cook they wouldn’t run without a blower, like a 2 stroke Detroit.
Yep, blower engines are normally aspirated, the turbo engines are a combination setup where it’s a blower until about notch 6 when the exhaust gases and heat can drive the turbo faster than the gear train can, then it’s pure turbo.
I hate foamers
Não precisa mostrar o funcionário andado com o lanche, rodeando e andado. Mostra o arranque e até o motor estabilizar.
Façam isso!
Y luego?
Did you guys prelube the engine before start ?
dieseltrainfreek
Unless specifically ordered at the time the engine was built EMD did not install prelude equipment. And the engine we're looking at is either a late gp-9 or a gp-18. Identifier is 48 inch cooling fans versus 4 36 inch fans on the earlier gp-7's and gp-9's.
Nice seeing an first generation GP being used on a startup.
Thats a lot of startup smoke for an EMD prime mover, are you sure that she's got EMD guts?
Mr. Watt old EMD’s are just in-the-closet ALCos
Where the Dynamic brakes removed?
After rebuilding, they were used solely for yard work, no dynamics needed.
Pennsylvania?
snowdonia
Hey everyone... Do yourself a favor and skip the first 6 minutes. Absolutely nothing happens. NOTHING.
You're welcome.
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Gp7
Guess this guy was in no hurry to get back to his wife's cooking, what a bloody fart around, no bonus today it seems.
Wtf are you talking about dude? It's a short line railroad. They just bought this from auction. It's the first startup after they recieved it....