Actually some listeners do care about the specific sections, so they can be reviewed with specific customer questions. So thank you for pointing them out.
Why can DOD have deleted diesel vehicles then… The explanation didn’t make sense how the clean air exempted DOD deleted Diesel trucks and why didn’t the lawyer cite where in the clean air act it says they can do it. And it is federally legal for “the people” to have a machine guns, just none produced since 1987.
@@TheDieselPodcast should have asked him why train locomotives don’t have all the emissions stuff our diesels have. Last I looked on the EPA’s website it stated something about them not being on the highways. If the EPA is so hard up on air quality etc, those locomotives go through some of the most beautiful parts of the country and are just destroying those areas. GOD BLESS TEXAS!
I called the EPA one day to complain about the planes and chemicals, I asked what they were spraying. I was told they only monitor what goes up , not what comes down. 😅
Chevron deference is fascism as the agency's application of registration and in house rulings are used to pick winners and losers . Big corporations get slaps while the tax payer shackles.
23:00 "monitoring device" A truck's computer doesn't monitor pollution, it monitors an electric signal/current. Good thing all trucks aren't "vehicles" just because some agency interprets how they were designed to be used is what they must forever remain to be the law.
The first question for Stewart should be “Where in the constitution does it give authority to the federal government to regulate air or water quality through an agency?” Tenth amendment clearly states that it would send that specific power to the states. Lawyers would be unemployed on these matters if they questioned the constitutional jurisdiction of the agency.
47:58 I’ve also heard more than once that military vehicles also run on some kind of jet fuel - JP-8 I think it was, or another kind - that DPF systems aren’t designed for. Furthermore I hear that military vehicles tend to idle a lot which also presents its own problems with DPFs - they require heat to function optimally.
What about my families security and safety. Members of the military know they are going into harms way "potentially" and their vehicles are exempted. I still can't help but feel cheated when as a Cummins equipped ram owner and reading about the EPA case against Cummins I was amazed that all that 6 billion dollar fine was over 600K vehicles over 10 years! How many of those 600k trucks are even still on the road! I believe it was a ruse, used to find deleted trucks. And yes municipalities are not allowed to purchase deleted diesels. I know 1st hand as a I drove a fire truck for 32 years. And our entire fleet was compliant. Yet our city still shelled out millions for a vacuum system to catch diesel exhaust as we pull out of the station. So what exactly are they accomplishing by hamstringing these trucks? Obviously the emissions devices are not removing every harmful chemical.
There are lots of good diesel truck mechanics that delete/remove emissions junk. Actually I’d say if they don’t do delete work they are not a full service truck mechanic.
Is there a way to look up just how many cases have been brought and outcome per state to determine how likely you would be to have legal action for deleting a personal truck. That would tell people what their risk would be and determine what they would want to do. No selling delete equipment. Just deleted personally.
Government works for the people, yet the two arguments used, purports government over people. Why do the people get less safety & reliability? Emissions are just another tax upon the vehicle, lifespan & operating.
Will be glad when we can get this all sorted out and retire the ole 7.3…. The Problem… New Trucks Break and are unaffordable but if we could purchase a used truck and make the correct modifications that actually make the refinement process even more efficient than from the factory… emissions is one thing but efficiency should be the very first digit of the equation.
Mean while I'm Out Drilling and installing Environmental Wells for the EPA and Dep with 12 valves and 24 valves Cummins . Installing thousands and thousands of pounds of plastic into the ground for environmental and monitoring wells . Tons and tons and tons of plastic to protect the environment...but whatever I'm just the Dumb Driller ;) I just found other things to drill for to survive now they pay me .
What i dont understand is that dispensaries are left alone in Washington state but marijuana is still federally illegal but a diesel shop like gets hemmed up for doing deletes on vehicles.
My question is if you can do a modification to your vehicle delete, reprogram whatever, and it caused better fuel economy but also better reliability and thereby burning less fuel to the point that your new carbon footprint was less than the factory carbon footprint per year, do you think the EPA could argue that you're still violating the clean air act? I always thought simply burning less fuel causes cleaner air but all the junk that now must be on vehicles to burn cleaner causes more fuel burn. Take all the EPA junk off and design the trucks to get 30 mpg.
Gail Banks is a genius with Diesel Performance and getting the lowest emissions. When a bunch of idiots were rolling coal, he said they're just throwing Horsepower out the tail pipe.
I think arguments can be made as to who is more qualified to determine the validation of EPAs experts v common experts. The EPA or the courts. Often the government, car companies, seek information from experts in the car field when the computer geeks fall short in comprehending an issue. I remember MIT was at a loss in explaining how Top Fuel Cars could go faster than 175MPH in a 1/4 mile. We know it's now possible to go 330 MPH in 1000 ft. The EPA experts can be subject to Dou bert.
Deleting is one thing BUT, how about RV owners like me with a 1994 diesel (5.9L) diesel pusher over. 14,000 lbs.totally mechanical fuel management system? California resident. Now notices are going out that we are in possession of a "non-compliant" vehicle and a hold has been placed on the DMV that prevents them to issue registration until we go to a "non-compliant" testing station. We have no idea of what is "non-compliant" or testing that will be performed. Originally I read that diesel RVs 1997 and older were exempt. Now that we are being given "non-compliant" vehicle status it appears exemption of older RV diesels does not exist! Mine is a totally stock 230HP 5.9L 6 speed Allison power train.
What about reliability for us. I think if the EPA says these devices have to be on the vehicles then they must go through testing for reliability and safety. Lets say you have a new Ford powerstroke diesel and your going across Montana in the dead of winter. Your truck craps out because of the stupid EGR. To me that's a major safety issue because now you're stuck in the middle of nowhere freezing.
True, but many states have passed laws based on federal agency rulemaking so as not to risk loss of federal aid and funding for noncompliance with regulations. In my state, members of the legislature are asking various state agencies like Dep't of Natural Resources to investigate what laws that they operate under or policies they adopted were created due to Chevron related rulemaking. This is happening with an eye to removing laws and policies created in response to federal overreach, so in some states that aren't CA, repeals are now on the menu.
This did was so wrong. Y family owns a gun store. You can own automatic weapons, rpg, or a damn tank, most just can’t afford it. So the national security claim is political bs he regurgitates after talking with gov employees
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Yea screw reliability for us. 🙄 It’s all about money, none of the government really cares about the environment.
Actually some listeners do care about the specific sections, so they can be reviewed with specific customer questions. So thank you for pointing them out.
Why can DOD have deleted diesel vehicles then… The explanation didn’t make sense how the clean air exempted DOD deleted Diesel trucks and why didn’t the lawyer cite where in the clean air act it says they can do it. And it is federally legal for “the people” to have a machine guns, just none produced since 1987.
We asked that towards the end and got an answer.
@@TheDieselPodcast should have asked him why train locomotives don’t have all the emissions stuff our diesels have. Last I looked on the EPA’s website it stated something about them not being on the highways. If the EPA is so hard up on air quality etc, those locomotives go through some of the most beautiful parts of the country and are just destroying those areas. GOD BLESS TEXAS!
The answer is simple!!!!!!!!! Gov: Rules for THEE BUT NOT FOR ME!!!
@Redleg13fa I work on locomotives and the new locos have egrs nox sensors and all kinds of crap. Also some locos can't operate in Cali.
@Redleg13fa neither are tractors and construction machinery and that worthless shit is on them
I called the EPA one day to complain about the planes and chemicals, I asked what they were spraying. I was told they only monitor what goes up , not what comes down. 😅
So after listening to all this lawyer mumbo jumbo. Can we delete our engines or not without being prosecuted?
Funny how the president limo is a deleted duramax, rules for thee
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Your one of the tried and true Kory thank you for everything you’ve helped with in the industry- random ass RUclips commenter 😂
Chevron deference is fascism as the agency's application of registration and in house rulings are used to pick winners and losers . Big corporations get slaps while the tax payer shackles.
To be fair those sections said “Manufacturers” and “New vehicles”. Were also not removing monitors, we’re removing restricters
23:00 "monitoring device"
A truck's computer doesn't monitor pollution, it monitors an electric signal/current.
Good thing all trucks aren't "vehicles" just because some agency interprets how they were designed to be used is what they must forever remain to be the law.
The first question for Stewart should be “Where in the constitution does it give authority to the federal government to regulate air or water quality through an agency?” Tenth amendment clearly states that it would send that specific power to the states. Lawyers would be unemployed on these matters if they questioned the constitutional jurisdiction of the agency.
47:58 I’ve also heard more than once that military vehicles also run on some kind of jet fuel - JP-8 I think it was, or another kind - that DPF systems aren’t designed for. Furthermore I hear that military vehicles tend to idle a lot which also presents its own problems with DPFs - they require heat to function optimally.
I’ve been waiting for this since I heard about it
The US Military can drive around in non emissons trucks. Why is it ok for them. Where is the EPA statue saying the US Military is exempt????
The lawyer answered that question towards the end of the podcast.
What about my families security and safety. Members of the military know they are going into harms way "potentially" and their vehicles are exempted. I still can't help but feel cheated when as a Cummins equipped ram owner and reading about the EPA case against Cummins I was amazed that all that 6 billion dollar fine was over 600K vehicles over 10 years! How many of those 600k trucks are even still on the road! I believe it was a ruse, used to find deleted trucks. And yes municipalities are not allowed to purchase deleted diesels. I know 1st hand as a I drove a fire truck for 32 years. And our entire fleet was compliant. Yet our city still shelled out millions for a vacuum system to catch diesel exhaust as we pull out of the station. So what exactly are they accomplishing by hamstringing these trucks? Obviously the emissions devices are not removing every harmful chemical.
In the end, all three letter agencies will be disolved.
I hope so
Also CARB in California
I removed the emissions junk from my semi tractor! It’s the only way to go for Owner Operator truck drivers.
There are lots of good diesel truck mechanics that delete/remove emissions junk. Actually I’d say if they don’t do delete work they are not a full service truck mechanic.
Who are they targeting? The one truck owner operator or the bigger fish?
Is there a way to look up just how many cases have been brought and outcome per state to determine how likely you would be to have legal action for deleting a personal truck. That would tell people what their risk would be and determine what they would want to do. No selling delete equipment. Just deleted personally.
Define "personal truck" and "people"
Government works for the people, yet the two arguments used, purports government over people. Why do the people get less safety & reliability? Emissions are just another tax upon the vehicle, lifespan & operating.
Mr. Cables, CARB did not discover the Volkswagen defeat on the TDI engines, West Virginia University did.
How long would this ruling take to have a major actual effect?
Will be glad when we can get this all sorted out and retire the ole 7.3…. The Problem… New Trucks Break and are unaffordable but if we could purchase a used truck and make the correct modifications that actually make the refinement process even more efficient than from the factory… emissions is one thing but efficiency should be the very first digit of the equation.
Mean while I'm Out Drilling and installing Environmental Wells for the EPA and Dep with 12 valves and 24 valves Cummins . Installing thousands and thousands of pounds of plastic into the ground for environmental and monitoring wells . Tons and tons and tons of plastic to protect the environment...but whatever I'm just the Dumb Driller ;) I just found other things to drill for to survive now they pay me .
How come.no one else is reporting on this huge issue?
Well the way i understand what was said. If i take my scan tool and program something. I could possibly be committing a federal crime.
Yep
Business for profit, shouldn't apply to vehicle's owner
What i dont understand is that dispensaries are left alone in Washington state but marijuana is still federally illegal but a diesel shop like gets hemmed up for doing deletes on vehicles.
My question is if you can do a modification to your vehicle delete, reprogram whatever, and it caused better fuel economy but also better reliability and thereby burning less fuel to the point that your new carbon footprint was less than the factory carbon footprint per year, do you think the EPA could argue that you're still violating the clean air act? I always thought simply burning less fuel causes cleaner air but all the junk that now must be on vehicles to burn cleaner causes more fuel burn. Take all the EPA junk off and design the trucks to get 30 mpg.
EPA is able to force CARB because they are man-handling CONSENT DECREES. No one can risk the additional jail time by going to court.
Banks Performance seems to have no issues developing after market diesel performance parts that are EPA approved.
Gail Banks is a genius with Diesel Performance and getting the lowest emissions.
When a bunch of idiots were rolling coal,
he said they're just throwing Horsepower out the tail pipe.
What about 1 way diesel in texas
I think arguments can be made as to who is more qualified to determine the validation of EPAs experts v common experts. The EPA or the courts. Often the government, car companies, seek information from experts in the car field when the computer geeks fall short in comprehending an issue. I remember MIT was at a loss in explaining how Top Fuel Cars could go faster than 175MPH in a 1/4 mile. We know it's now possible to go 330 MPH in 1000 ft. The EPA experts can be subject to Dou bert.
delete the EPA
SEC v Jarkesy in conjunction with Loper Bright might be an interesting line of attack...
Deleting is one thing BUT, how about RV owners like me with a 1994 diesel (5.9L) diesel pusher over. 14,000 lbs.totally mechanical fuel management system?
California resident.
Now notices are going out that we are in possession of a "non-compliant" vehicle and a hold has been placed on the DMV that prevents them to issue registration until we go to a "non-compliant" testing station. We have no idea of what is "non-compliant" or testing that will be performed. Originally I read that diesel RVs 1997 and older were exempt. Now that we are being given "non-compliant" vehicle status it appears exemption of older RV diesels does not exist! Mine is a totally stock 230HP 5.9L 6 speed Allison power train.
Is this in California?
@@TheDieselPodcastYES, Sorry I wasn't clear about that
Is the “clean air act” a law or is a rule that was adopted by the epa? I thought on congress could create laws
What about reliability for us. I think if the EPA says these devices have to be on the vehicles then they must go through testing for reliability and safety.
Lets say you have a new Ford powerstroke diesel and your going across Montana in the dead of winter.
Your truck craps out because of the stupid EGR. To me that's a major safety issue because now you're stuck in the middle of nowhere freezing.
But none of this applies to State laws like - CACAfornia
True, but many states have passed laws based on federal agency rulemaking so as not to risk loss of federal aid and funding for noncompliance with regulations. In my state, members of the legislature are asking various state agencies like Dep't of Natural Resources to investigate what laws that they operate under or policies they adopted were created due to Chevron related rulemaking. This is happening with an eye to removing laws and policies created in response to federal overreach, so in some states that aren't CA, repeals are now on the menu.
This did was so wrong.
Y family owns a gun store. You can own automatic weapons, rpg, or a damn tank, most just can’t afford it. So the national security claim is political bs he regurgitates after talking with gov employees
? The core of the ruling is it just took the over reach out of the hands of 3 letter agency's and remand it to the court system right