Phil. I'm going to annoy you.😅 Saying "IFS suspension at the front" is like saying "reverse back the car backwards." Loads of redundancy. Seeing as IFS means independent front suspension. So yep, I agreed. You are an idiot.😂😂 Just joking. A little banter never hurts. Thoroughly enjoyed your video, as usual. You're probably my favourite RC RUclipsr. Took the top spot from Kev.
@@TomleyRC Don't feel bad, Greg from RC Driver constantly says "IFS suspension". It's like saying "Automatic Teller Machine machine". I want to punch my monitor every time lol
A lot of Pre-Runners are two wheel drive with an 'I' Beam front end, but I would just leave the front end and remove the front wheel drive assembly for a near perfect Pre-Runner.
Cool build! It’s something I’d like to try in the future. Desert truck setup tip: you want more weight in the back than in the front (opposite to a normal crawler). This helps the front end glide over bumps. Full size race trucks are set up that way. I’m curious to see how it would handle if you moved the battery to the rear.
The key to getting the suspension on these right is bypass shocks and light spring weight, using the oil in the shocks to support the truck rather than the springs. If you can get an extra set of springless shocks on there that would help massively with the bouncing. The other thing successful prerunnner/trophy/stadium trucks like this have is being very heavy for the size. A UDR is 6+kg and the SBR tips the scales at 10kg, and that's without batteries. When you think that the wheels on these are considerably lighter than the mammoth wheels on something like an Xmaxx, that's a lot of weight in the body of the truck that is acting on the suspension which is why it moves like it does. Not having that weight means that the suspension is more likely to act on the truck than the other way around. Get some lead in there! Would also be tempted to try and extend the hexes or axles in general to make it less rolly, and either rivet some arch extensions on it or use a different, wider shell if you can find one. Truck looks cracking though, nice job. 👌
I built a Utron Pre-runner with leftovers from a gatekeeper kit build, better shocks and some Michelin military tires on Boom carbon/delrin wheels to make things fun. Time will tell how much value I can manage with the RTR electronics, I'm Ready To Replace. Much like what you ended up with mine is fun to drive faster than my other crawlers. She is now my favorite after-mtb-ride fun truck. Cheers! 👍🏼
I haven't seen a Toyota truck made with a straight front axle since the 80's. That one picture you put up was a totally custom thing. I'd say you're on the right track.
I totally want to do this build. Hemistorm mentioned it a while ago but I couldn't get around to it. The fact that you did proof of concept just makes it easier for me to recreate. Thanks!
In the slow motion speed shots. It would be nice to stiffen up the rear of the body and also get the rear suspension to stop bouncing the truck into the air. Maybe get the front suspension to react to the terrain. Maybe it is too stiff? I'd like to see if you can get the suspension to work more like a full scale prerunner if possible. Hopefully you like this idea.
I don’t often comment on videos but you got me with this one. I don’t care what element says. You did this right! Well done mate! I love making pre-runner/trophy truck content. We need more of this on RUclips!
If you have a 220x220 build plate then all you need todo is cut the Interior in half then print it , or contact knight custom and they'll do it for you
killer build! and i agree, the IFS looks great! i would try and find a way to stiffen up that bed though. takes away from the prerunner vibe when the beds bending like crazy and its prolly going to start cracking soon too
Looks sweet, man! I agree with you on the Zuul and Tacoma looks; they kinda got them backwards. But I guess that photo of that one really obscure solid axle Tacoma no one knew about was their inspiration... I'm planning to do the Pro-Line I-beams conversion kit on my SCX-10ii. That makes it 2wd.
I’d love to see you with some polystyrene tubes and a heat gun come up with your own design for a cage for the interior maybe even with a window net setup on both sides. Then cut the back center section out and build a tube chassis center section with x brace and spare tire mount! Maybe a little radiator and intercooler lol. It would be e sick dude just go full on build with it!
Nice! I did similar with my Knightrunner but haven’t put the trailing arms on yet. It’s fun with a fast motor but easy to roll which keeps it exciting haha.
As someone who has only 1 rc car, what are the characteristics of open diff driving, front and rear locked, and only front or rear locked? And when is a gyro good and not good to use? Thanks
Nice I just purchased the body kit & it comes with everything you see on it & is only $79 which is unbelievable I’m putting it on a SE with chassis mounted servo but I also had a Ecto with trailing arms that I could use I’m thinking about getting the front end kit but I actually kind of prefer the originals suspension.
my friend, no mistake on your end. Tacomas never came solid axle, not in the US at least. 85 was the last year our pick ups came solid axle. Prerunners also are not 4x4. that photo they referenced is a truck they likely modeled it after. I do admire your ability to be humble and move on! love your vids!
Not sure how it will go on that platform but going from open diffs on my hammer rey to locked center and rear has made it traction roll a lot less and now it drifts nicely aswell, there were quite a few other mods at the same time but im pretty sure the open diffs were a big part of the issue, especially when paired with the spektrum avc gyro system... flysky tx/rx+gyro with 0 gain on the throttle channel is a god send for the rey platform
Respect where it's due, it's not often people fess up to their mistakes... Shows strength of character that you're not afraid of being wrong... No one gets it right all the time but most would hide any mistakes... Incidentally, "I used to boast"... "But now I'm perfect" 🥰 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😇✌️
At some point, we all do or say something that truly is embracing. Doing it and then owning the mistake... that's courage! LoL And don't feel bad, my son calls me stupid at least 10 times a day. Mostly when I tell him "enough cartoons!".
Reminds me of my kyosho outlaw rampage pro in looks and driving to an extent.... i realy like my rampage extra fun and imressive being rear wheel drive it still can do offroad realy well... not slow tho
Usually you are more likely to traction roll as you call it with a open diff you are more likely to just kick the rear end out and spin around with a locked diff
I just build one with my knight runner, now just dialing it in but I have a few questions, can I ask you a few questions today after work when it’s in front of me??
@@AnthonyELombardi Phil's always going to provide good tracking footage, but in this video it strikes me that he's surpassed even his own high standard. I don't know whether you're familiar with the effort it takes to drive an RC with one hand and to compose nicely-framed shots with the other. I have tried, and can assure you that it's quite a taxing task.
Thanks Del. I think the weather helped… Gopros love lots of light, so made the quality much better. Oh… and of course my second to none driving skills 😅
Nothing more respectable than someone who admits when they're wrong about something. Good on ya Phill! 👊👍😎 I wouldn't say you're an idiot dude. An idiot wouldn't say they were wrong, after making it obvious to them. An idiot would try to change around what they were saying to still sound right. 👍
Hot glue and some precision cutting so it kinda friction fits (also had to cut some holes for the rear shocks to fit in, and a hole for the transmission
Hi I’m looking at getting the mt10,but it’s abit rich for my pocket could you suggest a alternative which would be my upgrade I got the jumpshot v2 I’ve left it brushed but have upgraded the servos and running it with a 2s cheers for any advice
I endorse your decision on the body swap. Looks far better. NOBODY in the real world puts solid axels on Tundra's, Sema trucks aren't real trucks their closer to model cars.
@@TomleyRC Hi, because of the fact that this question is making me crazy I‘ll have to ask you: Which app are u using for the speed measurements? And btw which Makita tool are u using? I only have the normal Makita tools and they are way too powerful for trying to loosen screws on my HPI WR8 Impreza WRX… Thx in advance and all the best from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp
Phil. I'm going to annoy you.😅
Saying "IFS suspension at the front" is like saying "reverse back the car backwards." Loads of redundancy. Seeing as IFS means independent front suspension. So yep, I agreed. You are an idiot.😂😂
Just joking. A little banter never hurts. Thoroughly enjoyed your video, as usual. You're probably my favourite RC RUclipsr. Took the top spot from Kev.
"IFS Suspension at the front"... oh yeah hahahaha.. what an Idiot. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some people think they know what they are talking about, other people know what they are talking about. HAHAHA.
@@TomleyRC Don't feel bad, Greg from RC Driver constantly says "IFS suspension". It's like saying "Automatic Teller Machine machine". I want to punch my monitor every time lol
@@Rex_Stuph I'm waiting to hear an American abbreviate independent rear suspension. IRS, the institution no one wants to be interested in them.🤣
@@Average_Bruh Explains why America has hung onto live axle for so long. No one willing invites the IRS.
A lot of Pre-Runners are two wheel drive with an 'I' Beam front end, but I would just leave the front end and remove the front wheel drive assembly for a near perfect Pre-Runner.
Proline Racing makes a I-beam kit
He doesn't care it's just content😊
Steering geometry would be so out of wack
Yeah, they were 2wd. But you’d need to do a bit of work on the front to get it to drive properly.
I'd just build a different truck with an older Axial SCX10-2 (or clone...👀) with the Proline I beam kit
Cool build! It’s something I’d like to try in the future. Desert truck setup tip: you want more weight in the back than in the front (opposite to a normal crawler). This helps the front end glide over bumps. Full size race trucks are set up that way. I’m curious to see how it would handle if you moved the battery to the rear.
The key to getting the suspension on these right is bypass shocks and light spring weight, using the oil in the shocks to support the truck rather than the springs. If you can get an extra set of springless shocks on there that would help massively with the bouncing.
The other thing successful prerunnner/trophy/stadium trucks like this have is being very heavy for the size. A UDR is 6+kg and the SBR tips the scales at 10kg, and that's without batteries. When you think that the wheels on these are considerably lighter than the mammoth wheels on something like an Xmaxx, that's a lot of weight in the body of the truck that is acting on the suspension which is why it moves like it does. Not having that weight means that the suspension is more likely to act on the truck than the other way around. Get some lead in there!
Would also be tempted to try and extend the hexes or axles in general to make it less rolly, and either rivet some arch extensions on it or use a different, wider shell if you can find one.
Truck looks cracking though, nice job. 👌
I built a Utron Pre-runner with leftovers from a gatekeeper kit build, better shocks and some Michelin military tires on Boom carbon/delrin wheels to make things fun. Time will tell how much value I can manage with the RTR electronics, I'm Ready To Replace. Much like what you ended up with mine is fun to drive faster than my other crawlers. She is now my favorite after-mtb-ride fun truck.
Cheers! 👍🏼
Yes, it’s a bit of a ‘Jack of all trades’…. I think a slight less aggressive surface would be perfect
@@TomleyRC mine is best as a trail truck, HW 2-in-1 may be next
we need more scale builds like this. Love the prerunner scale look!
I agree 😇
I haven't seen a Toyota truck made with a straight front axle since the 80's. That one picture you put up was a totally custom thing.
I'd say you're on the right track.
You beat me to it 😮 Very cool build dude, you're right, they did miss that evolution, but you nailed it 🙌💯🔥
Yeah, pleased with how it turned out. Just need some open diffs and then can properly rip it
Your videos are like a fine meal, they take time 🤌✌️
I totally want to do this build. Hemistorm mentioned it a while ago but I couldn't get around to it. The fact that you did proof of concept just makes it easier for me to recreate. Thanks!
It was fun to do, and fun to drive 🤟
In the slow motion speed shots. It would be nice to stiffen up the rear of the body and also get the rear suspension to stop bouncing the truck into the air. Maybe get the front suspension to react to the terrain. Maybe it is too stiff? I'd like to see if you can get the suspension to work more like a full scale prerunner if possible. Hopefully you like this idea.
5:20 caught me of guard 🤣
I don’t often comment on videos but you got me with this one. I don’t care what element says. You did this right! Well done mate! I love making pre-runner/trophy truck content. We need more of this on RUclips!
If you have a 220x220 build plate then all you need todo is cut the Interior in half then print it , or contact knight custom and they'll do it for you
Yeah, then solvent weld them together.
Yeah, I had solutions… but it was just quicker to cut a pre made one 😇
killer build! and i agree, the IFS looks great! i would try and find a way to stiffen up that bed though. takes away from the prerunner vibe when the beds bending like crazy and its prolly going to start cracking soon too
Looks sweet, man!
I agree with you on the Zuul and Tacoma looks; they kinda got them backwards. But I guess that photo of that one really obscure solid axle Tacoma no one knew about was their inspiration...
I'm planning to do the Pro-Line I-beams conversion kit on my SCX-10ii. That makes it 2wd.
I’d love to see you with some polystyrene tubes and a heat gun come up with your own design for a cage for the interior maybe even with a window net setup on both sides. Then cut the back center section out and build a tube chassis center section with x brace and spare tire mount! Maybe a little radiator and intercooler lol. It would be e sick dude just go full on build with it!
You were 100% correct, that pic of that rust bucket is a 100% custom build that only saw dirt for that pic.
What a sweet rig! That driver and interior really ties it all together 👍🤜🤛🫡
Love it! Good colour combo and that interior does finish it off nicely
Nice speed on that truck… perfect I would say😳… those slow mo suspension shots were just awesome!!
I had the same idea, but I will use my Knightrunner for the base, and see if I can adapt the trail arms... 🙂
Nice! I did similar with my Knightrunner but haven’t put the trailing arms on yet. It’s fun with a fast motor but easy to roll which keeps it exciting haha.
Their version and the prototype are of course really cool trail trucks, but I do like the way you built-it up as a proper IFS/trailing arm pre-runner!
I like how the esc makes it sound like it has a massive turbo.
Thank you for showing your gaff. I respect honesty when it comes to rc youtube.
Cheers dude
You did an amazing job with the editing. Making it look like a full size. I'm inspired to do this myself
Thanks Peter
Fantastic job, Phil! The truck just woke up! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks dude. Yeah… loads of fun
Always a fan of custom builds nice job 👍
I remember building an IFS prerunner out of an emaxx 2 speed transmission and a scx10. It was unweildy fast but this brings back memories haha
@5:01 if you can't fix it with duct-tape..... you're using not enough. LOL
lol
If you can't duct it fuct it
I have a sign that says that in my barn!
Similar to my Baja rey's suspension, that thing don't play it'll fling a tire off the rim even with beadlocks
As someone who has only 1 rc car, what are the characteristics of open diff driving, front and rear locked, and only front or rear locked?
And when is a gyro good and not good to use?
Thanks
Nice I just purchased the body kit & it comes with everything you see on it & is only $79 which is unbelievable I’m putting it on a SE with chassis mounted servo but I also had a Ecto with trailing arms that I could use I’m thinking about getting the front end kit but I actually kind of prefer the originals suspension.
They definitely got it wrong. Looks much better now - authentic
my friend, no mistake on your end.
Tacomas never came solid axle, not in the US at least. 85 was the last year our pick ups came solid axle. Prerunners also are not 4x4. that photo they referenced is a truck they likely modeled it after. I do admire your ability to be humble and move on! love your vids!
Not sure how it will go on that platform but going from open diffs on my hammer rey to locked center and rear has made it traction roll a lot less and now it drifts nicely aswell, there were quite a few other mods at the same time but im pretty sure the open diffs were a big part of the issue, especially when paired with the spektrum avc gyro system... flysky tx/rx+gyro with 0 gain on the throttle channel is a god send for the rey platform
Man that thing can twirk!
Respect where it's due, it's not often people fess up to their mistakes...
Shows strength of character that you're not afraid of being wrong...
No one gets it right all the time but most would hide any mistakes...
Incidentally, "I used to boast"...
"But now I'm perfect" 🥰
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😇✌️
Haha.. yes, I have no shame in admitting when I’m wrong… unless of course I’m arguing with my wife 🤣🤣
@@TomleyRC
👌😇😉
Nice build, i thought of doing the same thing when i saw the first video. Pretty versatile setup 👍
wow thats really cool, awesome job on that one, and yeah pity about the locked diffs but other than that great job
double clutch the boss of pre runner
At some point, we all do or say something that truly is embracing. Doing it and then owning the mistake... that's courage! LoL And don't feel bad, my son calls me stupid at least 10 times a day. Mostly when I tell him "enough cartoons!".
Brilliant Video Tomley 👏🏼.
Shock towers and body mounts 😊 will make any body fit at the back.
Whata awesome build bud.love it
Crawler come trail truck and basher all in one, who could ask for more. Oh and durable too, ACE IN THE PACK.😊😊😊😊 WIN WIN all the way.
Yes 🤟
This exact project on my wishlist, but the clear Knightwalker bodies are like hens teeth in the UK
Yes, seem to have been out of stock for a while
You missed a Spinal Tap reference with that top speed run :)
I probably miss lots 😅
finally some proper speed test ;)
Sure a lot of Traxxas stuff in the background ya FANBOYYY! Hahahah keep up the videos Phil.
It’s hard to hide my love for Traxxas sometimes 😇
I think the Zuul was 'inspired' to be a 1/10 version of the Losi Hammer Ray.. which in turn shouldn't have a Fj40 grill, it should be a Jeep
If you modify a Tamiya front diff of the tto2 you can use the c cup driveshafts and gear set ✌🏼✌🏼
Visually it reminds me of the truck Top Gear used in the Polar Challenge
Yes kinda
Reminds me of my kyosho outlaw rampage pro in looks and driving to an extent.... i realy like my rampage extra fun and imressive being rear wheel drive it still can do offroad realy well... not slow tho
The whine is the turbos. 😂
for an open diff you could use a TRX-4 axle with the SSD portal delete kit in the rear
Yes, maybe 👌
You should find a way to mount up the axial I beam kit to it and just have it be 2wd maybe a little wider or softer shocks so it doesn’t flip as much
Yes, that’s would be good
Usually you are more likely to traction roll as you call it with a open diff you are more likely to just kick the rear end out and spin around with a locked diff
This thing is awesome! They should have made it like this 👍
5:20 Not sure your wife wanted to expose that Phil 🤓
Looks great nice swap 👌
EVERYONE eats crow on occasion. I suggest yellow mustard on it.
I just build one with my knight runner, now just dialing it in but I have a few questions, can I ask you a few questions today after work when it’s in front of me??
Congratulations on your terrific camera work in this video, Phil.
Congratulations?
@@AnthonyELombardi Phil's always going to provide good tracking footage, but in this video it strikes me that he's surpassed even his own high standard.
I don't know whether you're familiar with the effort it takes to drive an RC with one hand and to compose nicely-framed shots with the other. I have tried, and can assure you that it's quite a taxing task.
Thanks Del. I think the weather helped… Gopros love lots of light, so made the quality much better. Oh… and of course my second to none driving skills 😅
I saw somebody built a gatekeeper with an IFS2 kit fitted front and rear , looked really interesting !
Yes, I think I may have seen something like that
5:19 "Put it in the wrong hole.. not the first time."😂😂 (sorry dirty mind)..
😇
Sick pre runner tomley 🔥🤘👍
Another question: Which Makita tool are u using? The one at around 5:23min… Thx! 🙏
You know. If you bought them in order of releases. This is one of those extremely rare instances where you ran before you walked 😂
welp it looks like it would be a good rock racer👍
Nothing more respectable than someone who admits when they're wrong about something. Good on ya Phill! 👊👍😎 I wouldn't say you're an idiot dude. An idiot wouldn't say they were wrong, after making it obvious to them. An idiot would try to change around what they were saying to still sound right. 👍
Nice build!
Their bodies are gorgeous however I wish they’d use clipless mounting
how did you secure the interior in the body? would like to do the same with my knightrunner 👍👍👍shocks looked great in slo mo 👌😀😀
Hot glue and some precision cutting so it kinda friction fits (also had to cut some holes for the rear shocks to fit in, and a hole for the transmission
I want a kit exactly like that.
Hi I’m looking at getting the mt10,but it’s abit rich for my pocket could you suggest a alternative which would be my upgrade I got the jumpshot v2 I’ve left it brushed but have upgraded the servos and running it with a 2s cheers for any advice
Nice truck. You’re not an idiot.
Morning Phil!! Nice trucks!!
Morning… well, evening now 😅
Should do a project with the MT12 Van.
@user-tk8wr5wi7e oh really?
I endorse your decision on the body swap. Looks far better. NOBODY in the real world puts solid axels on Tundra's, Sema trucks aren't real trucks their closer to model cars.
Yeah.. I mean the truck it’s based on looks really cool…. but certainly better with IFS
@@TomleyRC Hi, because of the fact that this question is making me crazy I‘ll have to ask you: Which app are u using for the speed measurements? And btw which Makita tool are u using? I only have the normal Makita tools and they are way too powerful for trying to loosen screws on my HPI WR8 Impreza WRX…
Thx in advance and all the best from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp
I'm an idiot. we know! haha love your channel!!
Are you jumping on a plane and coming to Arrmageddon in Florida? It’s 20 minutes from my house👍🏻… long trip for you though
I wanna name it “4x4 Altima” and tailgate every rc in sight! (Tacoma drivers here do not leave the ego at home)
We don’t have Tacomas in the UK
Now it sounds like you already broke the speed limit in there after you
night walker , must be a vampire 🤣🤣🤣 .
🦇
Awesome video!!👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers dude
what shock would you recommend?
That's awesome! I want to do the same thing. Element definitely missed the mark!
Turned out decent for sure 👌
Excellent video
It’s almost as fast as my nikko hawg 😛
😂
Almost is good enough for me 😅
Would be really cool if you could put locking and unblocking axels in so you have both
Yeah that would be good
Phil they called fender liners lol
Sir how did you record the10mins to 10:30 mins?
Try using the open differential kit for the Associated MT12
ASC 41114
Yes, might have to give it a try
it sounds like a mini turbocharger whine
Should have built one with the proline beams
Phil I have a question I have a Traxxas max that only has a Servo and a receiver what would you do?
Dude can you use a Rc tank. Job done surely? 🤣
Got a feeling they may be leading up to a Rey Competitor.
Sweet!