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  • Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
  • Jxmyhighroller Said Tim Duncan Is Overrated...
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  • @yyamiri.
    @yyamiri. Месяц назад +7

    ur casual asl 🤣🤣

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      I never claimed to be a professional anyways.

  • @Hotsauce_4
    @Hotsauce_4 Месяц назад +1

    The Corner Three is overrated imo

  • @Keyinthepocket
    @Keyinthepocket Месяц назад

    Why were you asking “what sources?” When you made similar inferences? Where are your sources saying curry wasn’t in the best basketball player alive conversation then?

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      Jxmyhighroller said Tim Duncan was at the lowest top 15 in all-time rankings which is why I said what source cause I have never ever heard or seen this. I used Curry as an example cause his career and the way people talk about him parallel to Duncan. Curry from the 2014-15 season till now has never been deemed the best player in the world by the media and fans even when he did have better seasons or won titles obviously, there will be players who outdid him though people would say he is overrated or have players higher than him who never deserved it anyways. I don't even need to give you sources, you go check them (Bleacher Report, ESPN, NBA, etc), and you can see possibly a few however, there are way more lists and debates on why Curry is not higher.

    • @Keyinthepocket
      @Keyinthepocket Месяц назад

      @@MahenS_R well I left out the “people weren’t saying” part of my comment. I meant to posit the fact that people indeed did and still do see curry as the goat, point blank period, no matter how you feel about them feeling that way. You held him to a higher standard than yourself for sure though

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      People are only saying this now cause Curry won his 4th championship and first finals MVP however, even when ranking best players year-by-year, people would not have him number one meaning that he was playing when other players were in their peaks and putting Curry down while Curry was winning at the highest level. Just like Tim Duncan.

    • @Keyinthepocket
      @Keyinthepocket Месяц назад

      @@MahenS_R people have been saying it since 2016 when he won mvp by unanimous decision lol you wild for that bruh

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      That's not true. Cause after 2016 season concluded, there were people saying Kyrie was better than Curry until they died out slowly. Then from 2019-2021 there were conversations about James Harden and Damian Lillard being better players than Curry and those died out eventually. I also want to point out that during these times prior to 2022, Curry was having narratives being made like the fact he can't lead a team without Kevin Durant, no significant playoff performance and a playoff dropper (or just a joker), can't lead a team with horrible players to the playoffs, and even not being a better guard than Harden, Lillard, Kyrie, and I'm pretty sure Westbrook (but Westbrook just a stretch). Curry before the playoffs in 2016, sure you can 100% say that but the aftermath of the 2016 finals has gotten the media and fans to say Curry was never a great player and it took the 2020-21 season and him winning his 4th ring and the finals MVP to silence the media to realize he was that guy the whole time yet Jokic and Giannis (who did have a case btw) were ranked higher and even Luka Doncic (assuming his second round performance) was also ranked higher.

  • @ManifestYourTrueGreatness
    @ManifestYourTrueGreatness Месяц назад +3

    I agree with you. That Tim Duncan take was horrible

    • @yyamiri.
      @yyamiri. Месяц назад +2

      no it wasn’t

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад

      @@yyamiri. how?

  • @metamode_
    @metamode_ Месяц назад +2

    Jxmyhighroller was somewhat right about that.
    Tim Duncan was a system player, just like Jordan. Duncan was surrounded by great star and role players that was design for Popovich plays. Same as Jordan, he was surrounded by players that was designed for Phil Jackson's plays and Tex Winter's Triangle offense.
    PS:
    Duncan highest average was 25 PPG, but he was surrounded by superb by stars role players. D.Robinson, Kawhi, Parker, Ginobli, Bowen, Smith, Kerr
    Bradley Beal averaged 30 and 31 PPG, but he was surrounded by trash players. He only had Russel Westbrook.
    That's a big difference.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад

      If Tim Duncan was a system player, how did they win in 99 and 03 before Tony Parker and Manu were even worthy players? Tim Duncann's highest PPG is higher than Magic Johnson's highest yet he is top 5 let alone the third at most (from people I have talked to and online) so that makes no sense finally, pretty much every all-time great needs help while they push their team to win a title or titles, but people wanna make it seem like Tim Duncan had help from the beginning when the Spurs were put in a position to draft him due to an injury David Robinson in 98 and he was never the same. That is on top of seeing Parker and Ginobili names under 03 or 05 championship teams when they aren't contributors to the team yet. While praising Magic for playing with Kareem, Kobe and Shaq winning three in a row, and Lebron for choosing who and where he wants to play, the Warriors before and during Kevin Durant's time in Golden State, and Bill Russell for having 5+ hall-of-fame talent from the start to finish. Side note, Greg Popovich was never a good coach to begin with and only got better later on when Tim Duncan was getting older and Manu and Tony were on the rise. While in the ladder half, Duncan was still able to do that in the postseason. Tim Duncan would have ruined Popovich's career as a coach if he left for the Magic and played with T-Mac and Grant Hill.

    • @metamode_
      @metamode_ Месяц назад

      @@MahenS_R
      Nah Duncan never averages at least 28 to 30 PPG just to carry a team. Because he was surrounded by great role players.
      5 Chip and yet he only got 3 FMVP. That alone is the testament of how he got help winning the ring.
      That being compared on how Jordan, Lebron, Shaq and Kobe performed in the Finals.
      They all average at least above 28 PPG.
      If were going to compare his performance against every great player from winning a championship and having FMVP?
      Jordan 6 Rings / 6 FMVP
      Lebron 4 Rings / 4 FMVP
      Shaq 4 Rings / 3 FMVP
      Duncan 5 Rings / 3 FMVP
      Kobe 5 Rings / 2 FMVP
      Durant 2 Rings / 2 FMVP
      Curry 4 Rings / 1 FMVP

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      Tim Duncan averaged 28 PPG against the three-time defending champion Lakers in the second round and won a reminder, that he had no one along with the Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks right after and won once more, no help at all. If you wanna say he had great role players, then explain to me why The Spurs in the 2000 playoffs (1st round), lost to a Jason Kidd-less Suns team while Tim Duncan was sidelined due to injury. Mind you, the Spurs were defending champs and you said that he had great role players so by your logic, they should have won but they didn't. He didn't have to put up 28-30 PPG later on in his career cause it was to help give more of his teammates touches and impact the game offensively don't forget that Duncan was one of the better defenders in the league as he was earning all-defensive teams and all-star selections in the second half of his career. As for this 5 championships and 3 Finals MVP logic, that makes no sense. You can still play at an elite level regardless if you win the award and the title or not that doesn't deny that one player was horrible in the finals, it just that the other player that won was just a different player on the same team (except for Jerry West). Tim Duncan was still playing well anyway. Kobe even in the 2000s when he was with Shaq was still great in 2001 and 2002 yet he didn't win the award but people would credit his contributions regardless of Shaq winning the finals MVP. Look at Curry as well. He put up about 28 PPG and beat the Cavs in 2018 yet Kevin Durant was awarded the finals MVP for putting up 29 PPG you can't say Curry played bad so he didn't win cause that would be a lie and this doesn't even add his 2015 stat line or 2017 (yes KD deserved it that year but again, Curry still was a threat and played well but that does not mean that he was bad for not winning the finals MVP). If in a random hypothetical (this isn't true) where the Lakers win this year and AD puts up 32 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, about 1.5 steals, and 3-4 blocks on great efficiency in the finals and wins finals MVP while Lebron puts up 28 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists on great efficiency as well, nobody would be saying Lebron was carried cause he dominated really well but AD just played levels above only trolls would be saying this stuff.

    • @metamode_
      @metamode_ Месяц назад

      ​@@MahenS_R That prove my point. Duncan had 28 PPG but also have 3 teammates that average double digits vs the Lakers.
      It is the system of the Spurs and also that system disrupt Kobe and Shaq for committing 41 turnovers in that series.
      Manu Ginobili had a total of 13 steals and Stephen Jackson had a total of 16 blocks in that series. Duncan did not carry alone. Hes the Dirk Nowitzki of the Spurs with great role players.
      This is also the same sentiments of the media the reason why they keeping it low with Duncan, cause they know.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      You said that Tim Duncan never averaged 28-30 PPG to carry a team and when I show you proof, you wanna claim that it proves your point (which was the "help" he had in 03). First of all, why was Tim Duncan playing 40 minutes a night? Cause his team did not contribute well enough and as for the players you mentioned (3 double-digit scorers and a Stephen Jackson that recorded 16 blocks in the series), Tony Parker wasn't shooting great that series, Manu Ginobili, while he did play great however, he would have had a negative +/- and that is only because Derrick Fisher hit the game-winner in game 5 of the series so that would mean Tim Duncan would have sent the Spurs to the next round in game 5 while Ginobili was a negative contributor that series. Bruce Brown did shoot great that series and did average double digits I'll give you that but keep in mind that if you see what he did in that series, he had 2 double-digit games and if you removed his 27-point game, we are looking at a single-digit scorer. You also claim Stephen Jackson recorded 16 blocks in that series... He did not (he recorded 1). I assume you misread that and saw turnovers but still played bad regardless. So we are only looking at Tim Duncan, an inefficient shot-chucking Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili who would have been negative on the court if this series didn't go to 6 games, a 3 and D wing who had one huge game that benefited his overall stat line, and a player you lied on who played bad anyways. Another point is the "system", how? Sure Popovich won the COTY award and won 60 games although, the team does not have continuity to play as well as the Spurs in 2014. Finally, claiming Tim Duncan was the Dirk Nowitzki of the Spurs is laughable as Dirk had a ton of playoff drops in his prime and nobody wants to talk about it due to 2011 and people back in the day would call the Dallas Mavericks the Allas Mavericks cause of the horrible defence the team played and Tim Duncan was by far a better defender. I also want to mention that Tim Duncan beat the Lakers in 1999 averaging 29 PPG in the second round and swept the Lakers who would win 3 in a row afterwards only to lose to the Spurs (ironically) right after but if you want to disregard a 20 PPG scorer playing with Shaq and him playing with David Robinson (never the same btw) and having zero continuity from championship 1 to the second.
      Edit: Also keep in mind that Tim Duncan was on one of the slowest teams in his prime so Duncan averaging 30 PPG was never the fact that he couldn't it was how the era was and how his team adapted not a system.

  • @MightyStrength4
    @MightyStrength4 Месяц назад

    Your video quality should be better. Great video though.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      I'll do my best to improve.

  • @maurygoldblat8982
    @maurygoldblat8982 Месяц назад

    Either fix your levels, or pause jimmy. Talking along with his video doesn't work

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      I see what works. It may take some time but I will do better.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks for the advice.

  • @HaslemBurner
    @HaslemBurner Месяц назад

    why r u talkin while the video was playing??? we cant even hear ur takes.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      I am trying to find a way to prevent that. This was the best I could do for the now. I will do better with time. Thanks for the feed back.

    • @Keyinthepocket
      @Keyinthepocket Месяц назад

      @@MahenS_R …. Pause the video my dude 😭

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      I can and will do that although, I want to say what I want to say while the video plays so I can keep the video as short as possible. You're not wrong with the suggestion.

  • @RiskXd715
    @RiskXd715 Месяц назад

    But he is right though I remember back in the day that Tim wasn’t in the top 10 just some put him in the top. It was weird hear people say that Tim was better than Kobe. He is that kind of player that makes great numbers but in the actual game you don’t see the impact something similar with AD. The system of Pops was key for him to be that

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад

      What was the system you so claim Greg Popovich was coaching during the early stages of Tim Duncan's career? Cause what I've seen is not the "Popovich" system that was used in the ladder half when everyone in the Spurs core was in their mid to late 30's.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      If you want to say he was a benefit to Popovich's system, explain how Popovich lost in the first round against the Suns in the 2000 playoffs when Duncan was hurt and was sidelined the whole series and Jason Kidd didn't play the entire series and was replaced by Kevin Johnson.
      Edit: might I add that they are the defending Champs as they won in 99

  • @raymondjansen7360
    @raymondjansen7360 Месяц назад

    Sup

  • @tyjes-dg7gl
    @tyjes-dg7gl Месяц назад +5

    tim is barely top ten in my opinion i got mj bron kareem hakeem magic bird shaq kobe all above him jimmy hit w this take ring culture has gotten out of hand

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      Barley a top-10 player is crazy IMO. Bird over Duncan is also crazy

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад

      And Hakkem as well

    • @choide19
      @choide19 Месяц назад +2

      @@MahenS_RHakeem is a better scorer, passer, and defender than Tim. Bird is maybe the GOAT passer and one of the best shooters ever. Advanced metrics support that as well, look at five year samples of EPM, BPM, Score value, play value etc. Is your only argument that his TEAM won? Because this isn’t tennis bud, not a 1 v. 1 sport.

    • @MahenS_R
      @MahenS_R  Месяц назад +1

      @choide19 Hakkem can be considered a top-10 but doesn't have enough accolades to rival Duncan. Larry Bird was a point forward for the Celtics so obviously his assist numbers are higher but he was never shooting lights out like that as his three-point number would drop. I never even made this about a 1v1 anyway so idk if where you were going with this.

    • @choide19
      @choide19 Месяц назад +1

      @@MahenS_R right, again, accolades? Are you talking about team achievements or are you talking about who was better as an individual players. Duncan’s TEAMS were better than Hakeem’s TEAMS just like Danny Green’s TEAMS were better than Kevin Garnett’s TEAMS. But Hakeem was a better PLAYER. As for Bird, not tryna be offensive, but if you can’t recognize that Larry is a GOAT passer, particularly with his unrivaled touch passes and outlets, and a GOAT shooter, than I dunno what to tell you bud.