How is this Gaming Laptop so CHEAP?!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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I picked up this laptop a couple of months ago in the Australian pc store Centre Com for $800 AUD ($513), it had an i5 11400H and a 1650 max Q, 8gb of RAM, and a 256gb ssd, 144hz display, win 11 pre installed, and i can confirm it was a crazy deal. Good job toasty bros for educating people on the great deals that can be found.
And your laptop hasnt gotten any worse throughout the months?
@@danisucks1497 I haven't had any problems with temps getting worse over time if that's what your asking, they haven't gotten above 80 degrees while I have been watching, have been playing shadow of the tomb raider and java mostly.
Same but with 550gb
@@khalkotauroi2535 keep the fans clean
@@danisucks1497 i have the same laptop as the guy in the vid for 2 years now. never cleaned inside. its still as perfect as it was.
If you're reading this, don't forget to hydrate
Thank you I havent drunk in two years Imma try it again
Thanks!
I have a hydration problem so this is needed
Thanks, didn't die from dehydration because of you
Thanks my man
If you're reading this, I just wanted to talk to you about your car's extended warranty.
thank you so much! i am so very grateful that you were here to help my dyslexic grandma in finding a new laptop. Shes gonna be cranking 90s dawg!
Hell nah
90’s I her 90’s!
Literally just bought this bad boy in mid-September. Been absolutely more than I need and I love it. No complaints other than the flimsy little hinge clips. Broke two of them adding a SATA ssd and another 8gbs of RAM
what ram did u buy to use in this laptop? im searching but idk what one to buy.
could u send me one? i bought mine a year ago but i dont remember the page
Is the laptop fan loud?
@@jonathanfuentes6558 there is a installed app that u can use for the laptop, it has the speeds that you can change of the fan, so if its in cooler boost it will be really loud and if u put it in automatic is gonna be higher or lower depending the temperature in the laptop, there are more features than that as well.
@@jonathanfuentes6558 Btw- If you don't know.. make sure to clean your fans often. I had no idea I could, lol I'm super new to this stuff.
bought the 3050ti version with the i5 11400H 4 days ago.. and so far, its an amazing experience.. I can run many heavy games on ultra settings on 60+ fps without dlss.. and it actually offers really great cooling.. haven't got hotter than 65 degrees when i play heavy games like rdr2.. Really good offer for the price :)
How much did the 3050 version cost?
@@sarmadmaqsood298 For me atleast, I can find it for 850 euros.
@@sarmadmaqsood298 for me it costed 630$, got it at a catch prize due to black friday, but currently the most expensive u can find is 950$
Do you have a link?
should have went with a rtx 3060 laptop.
Great find! It was used, but I just got an ASUS Zephyrus G15 for $1,000. It has a Ryzen 9 5900H, RTX 3070, 16GB of RAM, 1TB NVMe and a 1440p IPS 165hz screen
What do you A 1k usa laptop for if you don't mind me asking?
@@condorX2 Well the one I got retails for about $2,000. I just got an amazing deal on it on the used market. Not only do I use it for gaming, but I also use it for photo and video editing. I built my own PC but sold that and my entire setup because I'll be moving and potentially traveling more frequently so I wanted something similar to what my full build was but portable. I'll be updating the RAM and adding an additional NVMe to it soon
Damn that’s good. I’m happy with my $240 series s tho
RTX 3070 For $1000??!! Nice!!
@@shibaru24 Ya, the fans ramp up really fast and is very audible but I wear noise cancelling headphones when I play games anyway so it doesn't bother me
Didn't think I'd see my laptop featured on the channel lol. Just a fair warning to anyone interested in picking it up, I've had this laptop for about 2 years now (9th gen version) and it has major heat issues, with regular CPU temps in the high 90s. I tried everything, including re-pasting the thermal paste, undervolting and disabling turbo. Nothing seems to help.
Only the 9th gen models have the heating issues …. I am guessing you have the 9300h processor which is similar to mine and i face the same issue nevertheless I have applied liquid metal and undervolting after which the temps deceased significantly hovering at 70-80 degrees at 30 degree room temp
@@sutripanchaudhuri2246 I'm using Gelid GC Extreme, unfortunately it doesn't seem to work well with chips that regularly go above 80C. At this point I'm just waiting to see what the next gen laptop gpus are going to be like so I can upgrade.
I have same laptop as yours. and the cooling is great. 9th gen. for 2 yrs
when I play cyberpunk. temp goes up to 63c at 65% Fan speed. 57c at 130% fan speed. while the cpu hovered around 55-60c. with turbo enabled and turbo ratio maxed out it fluctuates between 60-75c. its really weird youre having that issue as that laptop is supposed to boast great cooling
@@hafizmuizz7269 Almost the same experience as well. The hottest my laptop can get under load is 70 C, playing games at 35C room temperature. Pretty satisfying temps for a laptop with only one fan.
@Emil Buhrkall how much fps do u usually get? Can u tell me in some random games
I picked up the GF76 (The 17 inch model) around this time last year. I didn't get much use out of it cos of personal life issues but that didnt stop the display gradually coming away from the chasis in less than a year. The hinge on either side of the display gave way one at a time from regular use with no drops or anything like that occuring. I wouldn't recommend this series of laptops to anyone looking to own a system for a long period of time. I've heard multiple other complaints of this nature after doing some research
Damn, thankfully I sold mine. I have a gaming desktop but a gaming laptop would serve me much better :( I’m kinda thinking of selling my desktop to downgrade to a Lenovo Legion 5, I’ve heard good things about it compared to these MSI laptops.
@@Mr-jj3gp Yeah i’d definitely go for something other than MSI. I picked up a GS66 as a replacement and although the build is much more solid and it’s a better machine overall. There are still various software issues that i’ve had and have struggled to find clear answers for online
👍
@@777simms which company is this GS?
I have this laptop and I kinda wanted to hear you guys say how easy it was to upgrade also. It's a dual chan and has slot for an extra ssd. Pretty awesome. Not a sponsor
most gaming laptops offer 2 ram slots and 2 ssd slots
thanks for the info! also wanted them to talk about upgradability
That’s what someone sponsored would say🧐
@@hughmann_ they are not about that, they just push products and give zero f's about the customer experience
@@hughmann_what's this laptop callrf
Ain't 500 no more. More like 750 now and climbing
This always happens with things they promote
I found one for 500 on Best Buy
Got mine for 550
250 for me 😀
got mine for 470
I have a similar laptop to this one msi gf75 and I bought it in 2020 for $750 same specs just 500gb for ssd, and honestly, it was one of the best purchases I have for something budget, semi portable, and able to run all games at minimum 60 fps
Semi portable?
@@bustergundo516 Yea, I honestly hated it at first because it would barely fit in a backpack and holding it with one hand was a pain since the dimensions were bigger a normal laptop, but I like the idea that I'm able to put it anywhere around the house so now I just either use it on the couch, desk, or dining table which is pretty nice lol.
im getting this for christmas! Im looking forward to this sweet piece of hardware.
Enjoy the overheating
@Jobrogaming I have a pc
Picked this laptop up yesterday for 399 USD. Just want to say it’s running pretty well so far. I am running CoD mw2 at low settings at 60-100 FPS.
Where’d you find it for 400?
with monitor?
Where?
i got it earlier this week, only complaints is not enough storage and you need to add another stick of ram, battery isnt too great especially while gaming, but other than that out of box its awesome for $500
Currently, there are no gaming laptops that have battery life longer than 1 hour while gaming in existence, so i wouldnt look at that as a downside xd
@@bennoboy97 True mine was similar to this and it only had 2 hours of moderate use, but that's prolly cause my dedicated gpu was being used the whole time lol
@@bennoboy97 there are gaming laptops with 2 and a half hours of battery under decent loads like rdr2 medium graphics
i got mine 3-4 months ago on the used market. has the same i5 and 1650. i got it for $280 cad, got 1 used 8gb stick or ram and a used 1tb hdd. all in im $310 and im super happy with it, for a 60hz display it feels nice and it plays valorant, apex and cs2 awesome. its a great budget laptop. although i heard the hinges get weak over time
Here's the problems with this laptop. 1. The cpu and gpu are overheating. 2. It's literally 700 bucks. So uh...
I've had this laptop for a few months and my biggest complaint is that the battery lasts an hour when doing anything relatively taxing on a full charge :( not great for school, but an insane deal if you have a constant reliable power source.
I have the gf75 thin, I get 4.5 hours on a single charge (we have the same battery).
To do that I undervolted, slightly capped cpu multi core clock speeds, kept brightness ~75% and made a custom fan curve that turns off the fan when it’s cool enough
Can’t you just use the power chord?
@@mrduckyspeaks358 Yes, but sometimes in school there are places where outlets aren't available, which makes it unreliable for long work periods.
bro thats running smoother than my main pc
Yall should do the MSI Thin 15 15.6" Gaming Laptop, 144Hz, Intel Core i5-13420H, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 4GB, 16GB DDR4 Memory, 512GB NVMe SSD, Windows 11 - B13UC-1000US
It’s for Walmart
I got this one but with the i7 2 years ago, was 1000. Added 8 more gb ram and a 1tb nvm 2 and it games great. Plays rdr2 maxed out at 80 fps.
What's this laptop called
@@Dylan_EDITZ1 a bit late but it's MSI GF63 Thin
Bought a similar laptop (Brand Dreammachines) with a 1650, 16gigs ram, 1 TB NVME, i7 10th Generation, and 144hz Display 15 inch. for 550 $. Was a steal and works absolutely fine
Was thinking about getting this pc for school. I have a decent desktop with a 5800x, 3060ti, 32gb ram and 2tb m.2 nvme, but just need something i can take with me to class and maybe sometimes play a game or two and this little laptop seems perfect for that use case.
Your pc is now than decent 💀
Before the video : 500$
After the video : 750$
MSI gf63 thin i5 11400H with 3050 graphics card laptop is for approx 800$ and this laptop that you guys have reviewed is for 500$ and it has 1650 and i5 10gen
That's why this laptop showing lower frame rates
Please yo must review MSI gf63 thin i5 11400H with 3050 then you will get the better result.
BTW love your videos
Just picked up a like new Nitro 5 with an i5 12th Gen and a 3050ti for $300 on offerup. Be sure to always be on the lookout on local marketplaces.
Thats a great offer ngl
the only thing i have about these laptops is they are too small, Im used to big screen laptops but its a good starter pc.
can somebody tell me what this laptop named?
I swear everytime I watch them make a video like this, the product is never the price of what they say it is. I know it can just be different from when they recorded it, but still. It's not $500.
This is very true
It was a few days ago on best buy
i bought this exact laptop 2 weeks ago for 500, so idk maybe depends on where you live at
It needs to be said that this laptops small form and light weight are really nice for someone that travels a lot. I actually use it everyday for the past 18 months or so.
Once you tune it for gaming and set up profiles for on battery regular/productivity use.
It held up to nearly daily use on flights and the battery is still holding a good charge. Just keep in mind that some people have complained about the hinges
Any chance you could toss me some links or something so I can learn how to tune it for gaming. This is my first gaming laptop and i wanna be careful with it.
I watch these video knowing I don't have enough money lmao
ive been looking for a good low price gaming laptop for a while and thanks to you i found it and im buying it
How is it?
Every link to buy this isn't 500. 729 from amazon, cheapest on ebay 629 and out of stock on newegg, no price. 1
I’ve had this laptop since late November, couldn’t complain until recently the motherboard has given up, the keyboard just flashes and nothing… quite sad but guess that’s what you get for this kinda price. Hope it doesn’t happen to anyone else
I got the i7 11th gen version of this laptop. For almost 10 months now. It's my first pc, and it performs very well for my needs
I would say thats a "good deal"...
If at the time of its deal, rtx 3050ti laptops with a 5600h/i5 11400h laptops didn't exist for $50 more.
Did you guys not even tune the gaming laptop for further performance increases? Like undervolt the processor or OC + UV the gpu?
Just picked up a Ryzen 7 7735, RTX 4060, 16gb DDR5 ram, for only £1100. Seems decent.
I have this laptop and I've had it for about 6 months now and love it. I upgraded the ram to 16gb and a nice pny m.2.
I got one as well, same specs, how's the performance with the ram upgrades? looking at upgrading as well.
@@mikhailkirton8072 I definitely noticed a difference. I play Fortnite, Apex, CoD and a few other games with no issues. Minecraft runs amazing on it lol.
@@mdein3dcosplayprops283niceness lol but in terms of FPS, GPU and CPU usage, how was it?
It is 730 I’m gonna buy one that is 596$
Already over 700 or out of stock
This deal is not as good as you think it is once you realize that the Ryzen versions of laptops with the same exact specs across the board sold for $400 two years ago 😂. I know because I got my HP laptop from BestBuy for that price in 2020 on Black Friday. Came with a full 1650 & a Ryzen 5 4600H.
ryzen cpu's overheat like hell in games mate :P
@Alexander Lucif my lower end ryzen 5 running gta on medium/high settings hitting 65°c at most determined that was a lie
Seriously bro you comparing 1650 with 3070😂
That's my exact laptop I got it for 200$ at Walmart because they were getting rid of it. it was a 2022 model so it isn't that old.
Got this for my ex earlier this year before that she had always used a mac book and she loves this laptop more than her mac book. (mainly got it for her so she could finish her college classes)
Rip
Why is this $750 in my country 🙁
Toasty bros I need help I found one just like this one but I think it’s better but not sure it’s on sale rn got a great price MSI - THIN GF63 15.6" 144Hz FHD Gaming Laptop-intel core i5-12450H with 8GB Memory-RTX 2050-1TB SSD that’s the stats helppp
it's good enough
it's good enough
I bought one of those with a rtx 3050 chip for $749 at Walmart and I had to return it, kept freezing up in fortnite, it was using all 8 GB of ram even with lowest settings at 1080p, I literally just returned it yesterday
That power button is shit.
My friend had 1 and the lap will turn on and off while opening and closing the lid cuz somehow the hinge managed to do that bear that in mind(subject to exceptional)
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i got this a year ago since my pc broke i fixed it but its had nothing but problems so i used this until i had enough for a new pc and now this is my school/work laptop
I got mine this year with 16g ram & rtx 2050. Thx for the video!
There was a great deal on Best Buy a week or 2 back, an HP Victus with a GTX 1650 + 12th Gen i5 for only $480 or so. There was also a Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3 with a Ryzen 5 5600H and 3050 Ti for a hundred more than the Victus. Personally I bought the Victus because it looks better in my opinion.
I personally got the Lenovo you mentioned! Its important to note that there are a lot of compromises for its MSRP of 900 dollars without a sale (Got it for 550 from best buy on sale).
HP Victus is great for the price.
@Capybara for vr games you should be fine with a 1650 and above, depends on the game and if you are willing to make some compromises
@Capybara should really get a pc to run vr rather then laptops
I got a Asus tuf with a ryzen 7 6800h n a rtx 3050 ti for 699
Had the GF65 Thin for a while. Absolutely loved it. 1660ti is the best budget gaming laptop card in my opinion. Feel like it's worth the extra $ to jump to the 1660ti instead of this 1650. Get that 6gn Vram. Msi is amazing though. Great laptops!
I have it too, any tips to keep my cpu cool? It always thermal throttles
@@EmuRust I remember limiting the Turbo Boost. I was new to it all but it helped.
@@dannyboylan5926 what app do you do that on?
@@EmuRust ugh wish I still had the laptop. I looked up a ton of guides and also used Reddit cuz i was new. But I'm remembering absolutely loving an app called ThrottleStop.
@@EmuRust go to power plan and set cpu max state to 99 so it doesnt boost
I actually bought it (GF63 THIN 11SC 1650 max-q I5-11400H) and it's great, feels sturdy and robust though keep an eye on temperature as it overheats pretty quickly
This was literally my old laptop, you can run games like minecraft smooth 100fps and even with some shaders it's a nice 60fps
got one around $903 USD, i7-11800H and RTX3050. (also having a lucky draw when buying GF63 and I got another laptop for free (1st place) MSI Modern 14, got to say its a bargain)
It’s a pretty good computer if you’re starting. I am a hardcore console player and will continue to play console. I mainly got this computer for streaming because the one I had could not handle it. I am able to stream at 1080 60 fps with not problem with this computer. It also look very descent when playing CoD Warzone. Very good for the price!
How you feel gaming in it as compared to console. I mean smoothness .
@@Sen1xr7 depends. If you’re looking for graphics then it won’t compare. Console is a lot better. I got it for streaming and playing titles that I can’t play on Xbox. I’ve been playing Spider-Man and Cod. Spider-Man at low settings and CoD at medium high and they works very good. Again, graphics will lot be the best, but they run smooth. You gotta think is a 500 gaming pc
Frame rate in CoD?
@@_kennz 55-65
@@Sen1xr7 low settings?
I got this a year ago for 700 added a 1tb hard drive and 8gb of ram and it works great
Where do you find that? I want to add it to mine but idk how. I’m new to pc gaming
i got mine for 270 dollar from newegg and it was in used but excellent condition with no single dust in the internal. also mine was the 11th gen i5. DO you guys think i got it for good deal??
I thought it was 500 not 720
That's crazy even on my 3060(75w) laptop I don't get fps like that because it is very choppy, I definitely get more on apex though.
That's most likely because your laptop gpu, pulls 44% of the power a desktop gpu would. I'm guess you have a very slim laptop to have a gpu pull such low wattage. Also integrated GPU's cause a major tank in performance. Some laptop manufacturers allow you to force your laptop to use the discrete graphics card (your 3060) using the bios. You'll have to look up your laptop model on google and see if optimus is an option in your bios. My laptop had the option to disable optimus (disables your Integrated gpu) and performance almost trippled.
Hey! I just bought this laptop from amazon like 10 days ago, great machine tbh. A question, how do you update all the drivers on it? Great video as always guys, thanks!
@realtoastybros scambot alert
I think windows automatically updates them with new updates
But still u could use some apps that scan and update old drivers
Driver booster with license from youtube(dont download anything)
@@verifedmatt 😂👍
I watched this video while using the laptop LOL
pretty good and cool laptop for gaming worth checking it out and buying it
The more I watch their videos the more I realize I just need to buy a desktop if I want to run anything on high😂
Well you shoud not buy a laptop if you want to do any serious gameing 😁
@@martinlinden4129 we travel a lot for work so a desktop is a bit more difficult. And I’m not talking max it out either lol. But I don’t want to have to play everything on low😂
just buy a more powerful one laptop 😂👍 my friend built his pc same price as my laptop and still my laptop out performs his desktop in every game 😂👍
laptops with 3050 or higher should run high settings on most games fine of course i dont know much but ive been researching for quite a while now
I have a desktop but a laptop would serve me much better even if I play on low settings. I’m thinking of selling my desktop and downgrading to a Lenovo legion 5 😂 I just hope I don’t regret it.
I believe this may be the first time ever watching one of your videos where the item was still in stock and at the same price
Interestingly enough, I have this laptop and it's been great so far. I can run many games on medium settings on it. =3
Can u run fifa 23? Thanks 😄
@@novicazajkovic3897 obviously you can. fifa is never a demanding title
Did u try any COD games?
@@Rsdsgs Nah. Sorry. Not a fan of COD. =/
@@LaTaleFanatic4Life cool just wanted to see cuz cod games are more demanding on the cpu
I just got this laptop, perfect for emulation
in the uk that is $832.90usd after conversion (£699gbp)
I'd love to see how No Man's Sky runs on this thing. Because that game really seem to demand a LOT of power. It runs pretty bad on a Asus ROG GR6 for example.
I got the same laptop but for me it costed 1,000 dollars, i think i got scammed ;/
I got the best of the version with an RTX 4050 for 749€ on black friday and deal of the day
Normally it would cost 1400€ 💀help its expensive
Should I get it? Or what do y'all recommend me get
if you have a budget of like 800 or up you’d get something better
There’s a German company that has a laptop with an rtx 3060 for €699 (I bought it at €899 a few months ago), it’s honestly great but only the battery is horrible
i have this laptop and its pretty decent for the price is also my first introduction to pc gaming and its satisfying enough also using gaming monitor
Just bought it and love it. Getting an external hard drive, but it’s still very nice for the price. Got that Black Friday deal
Yes i did the same thing and I am going to love it aswell.
@@veltheslime god speed
What games can it run 60+ fps on medium - to high settings. does it slow down very fast, how much did it cost and could you tell me or send the link of where you bought it.
@@ImranKhan-jv6kr Walmart Black Friday for 500. World of Warcraft on ultra during raids. Wintergradp which is hundreds of players gotta tone it down but otherwise that and overwatch it’s good
I just bought the model with the 11th gen i5 and 16 gbs of RAM for bout 520 bucks such a good deal
Lets appreciate
I have the same pc but with 16gb of ram after 1 almost 2 years of useged perfect but the inside gets dusty very fast and the pc slows down
Your room must be very dusty, clean your room.
@@Zuckerchucky no its dust i just blow it with my Mouth and its clean
bought this lapt top off of facebook marketplace and i am not dissapointed with the purchase
Out of all your links eBay is the cheapest at $630….
I'm definitely buying this
saw this last month was waiting for black Friday for a cheaper chance for my daughter for Christmas - thanks now sold out and and 250 more on Amazon - Sad Dad Day :(
For £749 not sure us you can get a 3050ti i9 i think and has a 144 hertz screen and its thin and LAN/ethernet cable
The laptop is the acer nitro 5 2020 eddition
How does this compare to the hp victus 1650 12th gen i5 with a 144Hz screen?
as soon as I heard 1660.. "imma gonna go now.. bye"..
What laptop
Is there any problems with the laptop overheating? I heard there’s only one fan, which doesn’t seem like it would cool well, especially for a gaming laptop.
Looking at the video clearly there is only one fan running in this design, but probably decent enough as MSi has always offered some of the best cooling in the business. The i5/1650gpu will not put out a ton of heat honestly. I have my current MSi which is a i7 8750 w/gtx1060 and it still works perfectly. Do recommend a second stick of RAM and in this a case a larger 2nd SSD. Essentially this may be only $500 but once you get a stick of RAM and a good 2Tb or 4Tb SSD it will end up at around $800-$1000 but worth it
@@DogManDan can you tell me about its build quality , specially hinges
Hoping to have a laptop for my thesis as a Computer Science Student
There is GF65, basically just GF63 but with RTX 3060 and one headphone jack
I bought my 2050 variant for about 543 $ usd
I showed my stepdad this and said I wanted it for christmas just found out today he got it for me for christmas w stepdad fr
The new one with 500$ is rtx 2060, 8/512gb, i7
Bought this but with i5 12450H and RTX 2050 and it’s good and I have had no hinge problem because I open it from the middle not the corners
I thought about buying this but said no, and then your review came out. Thanks
i have msi gf 63 i5 9th gen . NO ISSUES TILL NOW
Bro i can’t find something anywhere near of this laptop’s specs with with less than 1200$
yay they did my laptop
I got one of these for my nephew who only really plays fortnite my boy was playing on a PC older than him. Got it at walmart with my manager discount came out to 410 dollars.
STOP with sponsors already I pay for ad free viewing .Everyone either has premium YT or ad blockers and these darn sponsors keep promoting creators to bake into videos.
Is this still worth this 2023?
typical toasty bros, i get excited because they say a good gaming laptop is cheap and its always 200$ more expensive than they said it was
I had that, my first laptop. It wouldn't open after a week of using it while there were no viruses or no broken pieces.
it was prolly deformed , happens sometimes, better to go switch it
@@poroounicorn6568 Yeah, we didnt know. I got a new laptop now.
@@Gunray_the_guy uuuu what laptop?
@@woebegone2492 The one in the vid i forgot its name, it's been long