Being consistently at the top of your game for 20 years in any sport is absolutely ridiculous... he has practically competed with players of two generations and still come up on top. You cant but admire and respect that.
nah most sports like soccer and baseball holds a lot of old head goats too, it's just so different because for all those 20 years he hasn't deteriorated as a player. you could say it's just genetics but even genetics can't keep you giving it your all for 20 years in a sport that requires all aspects of your body and mind to be top tier at all times.
@@kwoo6925 very very few athletes have dominated for 20 years. Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic, Nadal, and some others are examples of athletes that have dominated for about 15 years. 15 years is crazy, but even then those guys had peaks and valleys, and generally had about a 10-12 year span where they were at the absolute top. Lebron is a freak because he has literally been at the VERY top for 20 years without (really) declining. I cannot think of a player that has been the best of the best since 2003, except maybe Tom Brady (but his position isn’t as athletically depended). Lebron is a freak of freaks
Not even a huge Lebron fan, but I respect the hell out of that answer. How can you not bet on yourself when asked that? Good on him for acknowledging everyone has their favorites and that he's just happy to be in the conversation and with good company.
He's had years of coaching regarding his responses, after prematurely calling himself the Goat due to his corporate ring chasing abilities. Yes he handles this question exactly as he had rehearsed it many times over. Good job LJ. You finally said something that makes sense to people besides your fans.
You respect that answer? Wow. Only on this generation man. Sucks to have grown up in the 90s when athletes and just regular people were 1000 times more humble and now have to deal with this.
This is honestly the best argument for why he’s the goat. I’m not saying it he is necessarily I’m just saying it’s a great argument. The fact that he came into the league with more pressure than probably any other athlete ever, and still managed to meet if not exceed those expectations is ridiculous.
Man, he hasn’t been criticized since he’s come out of high school stop with your bullshit. While he was still in high school he was called the chosen one. The man has been hyped up since day one. The critics came mainly after he joined the Heat.
Something about Shaq and LeBron conversing is just next level legendary. I don't think I've ever seen them talk to each other, lol. Both absolute units.
Shaq made him his bitch in this interview. Everyone on earth submits to Shaq. Shaq is the biggest baddest most athletic beast of a man since Wilt. Even Bron gets pulverized in physicality by prime Shaq. Basketball is a simulation of fighting and masculinity but not a real fight. When things get truly physical and Shaq comes alive EVERYONE knows who is boss
Watching this dude since my cavs drafted him when i was thirteen. Dude the sole reason why i am a basketball fan. What an incredible career. Still thankful as hell for 2016. Stayed up till midnight on a work night just to watch last night. My goat
Same I'm tired at work right now😂😂. I'm about to fall asleep at work trying to watch history. It was easier watch lebron as a elementary school didn't have responsibilities.
@@SirGenesis206 yeah, arguing about actual goats is nonsense and personal opinion. dude brought my city a championship and i am forever going to be biased
shaq and kobe got in a fight after their 3 peat lakers won so much people didn't like them everyone cheered for them wallace boys in detriot that year shaq went to miami. shaq won 1 chip kobe won 2 more
Let's just appreciate this man. I wasn't able to see Kareem achieve this but I'm glad I was able to witness this man's career since day one. Dude is a goat for sure. Not my goat still, it will always be MJ for me but LeBron is definitely my second favorite player of all time. Dude is a legend and an icon. Nothing but respect for him.
It's just like my grandfather's GOAT is pele and my is messi.. LoL.. LBJ GOAT.. MJ is just part of revolution coz TV started in his era, accolades are rigged and biased..
No. Shaq knew he won't say MJ. Who is the best. You see anybody else retire for 2 years and then come back to win back-to-back-to-back titles again AFTER winning 3 straight before retiring. Nope. Just MJ.
@@christinejones7902 i mean i guess?? 🤷🏾♂️ im not a LeStan nor am i a Jordan meat rider lol i just think shaq like to egg on the debate just as much as yall like to argue it 😂
@@elitheinvader I don't have to argue it. I am a female. While in high school and college, I modeled my game after MJ. And took hard hits, didn't complain about fouls, and just balled out...
@@christinejones7902 uhm i mean ok… went i was in hs and juco i modeled my game after Derrick Rose. Straight hooper but my coach was mentally abusive 😕
@@oridsolutions4405 true the record hasn't been great lol, but he's been consistently averaging great numbers and there's only so much one man can do. Ima just appreciate greatness while we still have it
@@PIuggo This dude, you know damn well he meant there might not be anyone as great as LeBron in the coming years. Not talking about who’s already the greatest, you just want to hate huh
Something I feel people aren't talking about enough is that he did it without essentially a top 3 point gaurd of all time like Kareem and Malone did. A greater percentage of his buckets were created by himself.
Yeah he did it better but don't make him the best ever look at it this way there's no good defense in the NBA anymore not like the early 2000s or the '90s all they want to do is shoot threes most of the time there's no defense
If you’re competing at this level, you have to think of yourself as the GOAT. Whether you agree with him or not, it’d be so soft if he sat there on TV and said “nah, it’s someone else”
The word you're looking for is humility and that isn't soft. His accolades speak for themselves, and he does deserve to boast, but being humble is far from soft.
the worst part of his career always will be that he wasnt picked up by a legit organization like lakers or spurs early on. i honestly could have seen this dude win 8 to 10 championships if he met the right front office at the right time.
@@myselfandeye3884yeah and he got two rings out of four years there… he played with the trash cavs for countless seasons, took their horrible teams to the finals several times, but he couldnt get the right help and only managed one ring there.
@@myselfandeye3884 ok and? 2 championships is supposed to be a bad thing??tf...the last spur year shouldnt even count cuz it wasnt a big 3 any more, wade was past his prime.
@@myselfandeye3884 how many times did it take Jordan to win his first? Jordan needed Pippen and a few other good players, no slouches either. Can you name another all star that played w Lebron in Cleveland when he took them only in his 4th year @ age 22? 😂 stop it dude.
Grew up watchin MJ, watched lebron as well. The way MJ played the game is on its own level. Lebron has broken the record but the overall greatness of Jordan is nothing anyone can match, my opinion
Agreed bro, grew up watching lebron play ball for 20 years man. Never watched mj on tv or in person but his highlights speak for itself!!! The man could not be stopped offensively. Man had every possible move in his arsenal. If the man played in this league, he would score 40 each game.
I agree, grew up on Jordan he was just different and had the heart of a lion every single night. The only person who’s close to him individually in my opinion was Wilt, I think wilt would average 50 in todays game with the offensive driven rules.
It seemed impossible because you never thought nba would turn out to be soo soft it’s easy to score now it’s a scoring game not like the old days you were fighting both ends
@@deatrhr0w Oh yea it was soooo difficult back then that the dudes would be up gambling until 7am on game day, go eat 2 big macs, wash it down with a coke, then go drop 35pts.😂
I don’t get why people kept saying old NBA is harder… the game evolved, you think a center like Kareem or wilt with the skill back then could adapt to these level of play style right now? Heck no, that’s like saying military back then is stronger than military now.
@@ducamorisable yes considering how two of those greatest center of all time were never 3 point shooters. Nowadays traditional NBA centers are not played as much.
Every great player has to feel like they're the greatest or at least could be or they wouldn't be great at all. Props to Bron for a magnificent career.
It's just stupid to try to elevate a 6 time nba finals loser over a 6 time champion with no losses. I don't care how many points he scores, you can't erase his postseason record. He broke a record held by a legend. Ok. He still has a worse postseason record than the legend who's record he broke, so he's not even a greater winner than Kareem. MJ is outta his league, standing alone with Scottie at 6-0. Hate it or love it, it's the truth & Shaq knows better.
Yeah but Shaq said “we all gotta shut up” if he breaks Kareem’s record. I think he didn’t think Bron would do it and he did. So now Bron feels justified when he really ain’t.
why do people act like not even making playoffs or finals is better than losing in the finals lmao? "no losses" yeah if you dont count first round exits as losses than sure i guess
He did surpass expectations for sure. He didn’t have to be “the GOAT” to be an amazing #1 pick and savior of a suffering franchise. A phenomenal career and even better person off the court.
Michael Jordan has 6 championships as opposed to Lebron James’ 4 championships. Jordan has 6 final MVPs while LeBron has 4. MJ has 10 scoring titles to Lebron’s 1 scoring title. Michael Jordan has 5 MVPs, while LeBron has 4. Michael Jordan is also the only one of the two to win Defensive Player of the Year (winning it in 1988)
Add the two hundred steals and hundred blocks. Jordan did it twice. These people tickle me with Lebron being the greatest just because he eclipsed Kareem. Also, Kareem has 6 titles and 6 mvps. How does being number one in points beat that? [like what?] I’ll take Larry Bird over Lebron.
Idek why that fatass should be jealous tbh. Bro shouldve put in work. Kobe also said he always works so he would never have to look back and say “i should have”.
@@andrew_lim He wouldn’t blame Bron for celebrating…..and he would’ve barely been passing the the ball on this journey too.🤣 Let’s not forget Bron just passed two players in one game to become fourth in assists on the way to the scoring title. Let that sink in.🤔
@@andrew_lim Kobe's mamba mentality is inspiring, but so is Lebron's discipline. They're different. At this point most people will rank Lebron ahead of Kobe all-time. He just had a better career and was better overall.
I’ve literally watched Lebron’s ENTIRE career including his high school games! His first NBA Game against the Sacramento Kings was on my Birthday 10/29/2003. I remember watching that game and I told my cousin, “he will be one of the greatest” To see him still be just great as the day he entered the league and be in the conversation as top two (for me he’s number 1) … it’s insane! He’s dedicated his Entire life to the NBA and has done it with style, sheer talent, and grace! When this man finally says he’s done, it’s going to break my heart! He’s literally my favorite basketball player ever! 🤴🏾🐐🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Brons greatness growing up.. meaning you were too young to watch MJ live? Hmm lol sounds like you’re a MJ highlight watcher who is a 🐑 in this debate topic
Same here definitely a fan of both but MJ is my pick as well and if anyone questions that based off stats they need to see the GOAT comparison vid of MJ vs LBJ
Shaq sounded a little jealous. Lol. Shaq could have easily been in the GOAT conversation but decided not to give it 100% in the second part of his career.
@@chasebows just think how great MJ is....he is mentioned to give Shaq credibility. Why name a single plaoff series win?....bc MJ is the goat. Everybody except the Raptors beat Lbj in the playoffs
When Lebron was asked the question if he was the goat, he answered it perfectly. He said that he knows what he brings to the table but he will let others debate who the greatest is.
Shaquille O’Neal I remember when you said on full send podcast that LeBron’s plan is to pass up Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the all-time scoring list. When he passes Kareem, we all have to shut the hate
I've been a Cavs fan since '90, and I'll always be a fan of LeBron's game, but this "best" conversation truly is for middle school kids. There have been a lot of great players in the history of the NBA, and LeBron is always going to be considered among the greats.
Lebron is the greatest by his accomplishment And the fact that nobody is better than him on the court he can do every f ing thing playing pg sg sf pf and center He's the undisputed goat
In Each of ALL Their PRIMES: (Do your research before answering) 1) Who was the BEST ALL AROUND Player? A) “Magic” Johnson B) Big O” Oscar Robertson C) Lebron “king” James D) “The Big Hurt” Elgin Baylor 2) Who was the MOST PROLIFIC Guard? A) MJ B) Kobe C) Magic D) Big O E) “Ice Man” George Gervin 3) Who was BETTER ? A) Scotty Pippen B) Grant Hill C) Larry “Legend” Bird D) T- Mac 4) Who Would YOU Choose at the guard position? A) “the Answer / AI” Allen Iverson B) James Harden C) D- Wade D) Ray Allen 4) Who was MORE DOMINANT? A) Lebron James B) SHAQ C) Big O D) Elgin Baylor E) MJ F) Wilt Chamberlain G) Bill Russell H) Hakeem Olajuwon I) Kareem Abdul Jabar J) David Robinson
It’ll never be broken. Not only do players no longer start as young as he did, but even if they could well never see another that good at so young and still so good at his current age.
Brett Favre was the toughest QB ever and his streak of games will likely never be broken. But longevity doesn't make him the GOAT. James is most dominant player of his era, no question. His longevity plays a key role in his stats. But James was a choker in the playoffs until it dawned on him that he lived in the era superstars could form their own teams and that was the only way he could stop choking in the playoffs and finals. He has stats to back up and confirm his greatness, but Jordan is the GOAT. No one owned the game the way Jordan did. No one.
Scores 36 points in 3 quarters then proceeds to score 2 points in the 4th quarter and Lakers lose. Lebron is the scoring champion, cool but he will never be the GOAT because MJ isn't losing that game because he cared more about the win. Those are facts
The thing with me is LeBron running around at age 38 must raise eyebrows How often is he drug tested? American pro sport is not interested in catching drug cheats.
Just depends how you look at it. As a career brown smokes MJ. As a peak it’s not even close. MJ all day. Boxing everyone still says Ali. But if you go by the rule that gives the goat to MJ then the goat is without any doubt Mike Tyson. There’s no right or wrong answer. They both have a strong case.
He got drafted when i was in kindergarten.. I'm 25 now and dude might still be able to win 1 more championship. Appreciate greatness while its still there
It’s not even that close, really. And I don’t like Jordan as a person so I don’t want to sit here defending him. But it’s obvious to me he would find a way to win against anyone.
@@wilfredoguzmanperalta2741 ya love to try to throw in the washington years he was 40 years old in washington with far less help than lebron has on this lakers squad nobody really expected him to do anything let's see lebron with no ad or other superstar lead a team to a ring at 40 he can't even do that now with another superstar
That's a cool story but Jordan never won a damn thing with the Wizards and Bron did more with less on the Cavs. Your hatred is making you so ignorant you can't form rational thoughts in regards to the topic. Let that go.
@@Noone-mk2oy your a liar. But OP made a good point. BroN has ALWAYS been a big time Achiever. Thing is…he prioritizes all the side quest stuff and every now and then gets the Main Quest done. Whereas Jordan prioritizes and completes the MAIN quest with platinum trophies. Think about all the games you Almost beat because you got lost in side missions. Or goals for that matter.
He got so caught up in "side quests" that he gets criticized for ring chasing by team hopping, colluding and formulating super teams. Ffs you guys can't even maintain a shred of consistency in your rationale. If MJ is the GOAT in your opinion, let anyone else who disagrees talk. Who gaf? Yall will trip all over your own arguments just to disparage someone instead. Fr wake the hell up put of the delusional hate and marketing ploy that has everyone pitting MJ vs LBJ to make money off the foolishness. Dumb as rocks bro. Btw this isn't a video game, smh.
Lebron is not only a legend on the court but the way he handles himself, speaking eloquently and professionally is amazing. He doesn't let himself get blinded by ego but still has heart. He's like the perfect human being
It’s WILD to me how you guys flip flop. I’m not gonna even use Jordan and Kobe imma use Ronaldo. Ronaldo says he feels he’s the best in history and everyone calls him a “mentality monster” but when Bron says he feels like he’s the best it’s “so and so wouldn’t say they’re the best of all time.” 🤦🏽♂️
Shaq never broke 30 points per game. Shaq honestly is just being delusional here. Even if he kept himself in amazing shape, the numbers just arent there. Still the most dominant ever though.
@@Edg30fd3w0r1d Being lazy is why his prime was so short. But he did have a very good temporary prime, I dont think many would say his ceiling wouldve been that much different in those few years. To both imagine his peak would be higher AND his longevity would be higher due to a theoretical work ethic is a little absurd. Shaq is simply overrating his potential.
Great accomplishment but I don’t think it propels him to the 🐐. MJ is “only” 5th all time scoring and is still considered by many to be the best. He never needed the scoring record to prove that. He also took a 1.5 years off and went to college first. He probably would’ve had 40k+
yall sound like communists, its over the greatest ever is debatable especially considering Pippen, Iverson, Gervin, Magic, Bird, Walton have all made it clear that there's definitely a discussion....
@@mauricerhodes1756 I mean there's certainly a discussion. No one in their right minds would deny that LeBron is one of the greatest. However, there's a discussion in a sense that if you subjectively value longevity above everything else, LBJ is your GOAT. Just how if you subjectively value winning above everything else, Bill Russel is your GOAT. However, most people put more stock into a players peak rather than their longevity, that coupled MJ's winning, accolades and accomplishments usually puts him above other all time greats in most peoples eyes.
Kareem had 6 rings, 6mvps, and scoring leader. Barely anyone (like 1%) had Kareem as their GOAT. Lebron had a 4yr head start, took 1600 more free throws (1172 points or equivalent to an extra 800fgas) to pass Kareem. Also, played his whole career in an era attempting to boost scoring by restricting defense.
As right as you are the Lestats cult don't want to here the facts! They got to disrespect the greats to argue that ol Bron Bron is the goat! Lebron finals record 22-33 4-6 Jordan finals record 24-11 and in he famous words of Lavar Ball "Never Lost"
Let me try to put LeBron James imminent all-time NBA scoring record in perspective. There will very soon be only 6 men (Kareem, Malone, Jordan, Bryant, Nowitzki and Chamberlain) within 10,000 points of James. 10,000 points more than all but 6 players in history!
@@dodododododo8311 the longevity only makes it more impressive, the fact you can play at a high level at 38 is amazing. People act like being able to play for a long time is a negative.
@@TSG_ sure you can play with all the load management and with all the games missed, when MJ played he had to show up every game unless he was injured. Also MJ at 40 years old for the last 10 games before injury averaged almost 30 points, he also made 19 wins charlote hornets team to play off team. Dont get me wrong Lebron is a grate player, but MJ did not have to leave Bulls to win. Lebron in a way ruined the league too as other players started running like chickens from one team to another. Curry did not go anywhere, Giannis proved that he can win it with Bucks, Kawai won it too, talk about Koby who stayed with Lakers till the end, Just Lebron had to get bunch of superstars and change teams to win it. So concidering all this Lebron will never be the goat
Helluva accomplishment, I'm NEVER a hater. That being said when they look at who has scored the most points in the NBA, LeBron's name will be at the top of the list, congrats on that young man, coming from the BIGGEST Michael Jordan fan ever... 🔥🔥🔥
@@KingoftheRoad-2023 Jordan was in the league 14yrs tops Babatunde, slow down and don't talk crazy. I'm congratulating LeBron on carving out his own way in this league but there is only ONE 23 and that's Michael Jeffrey Jordan, and don't you forget that...
@@KingoftheRoad-2023 that's a lie and the truth ain't in you but one thing I'm not going to do is debate MY opinion or someone else so to each is own. If LeBron is better than MJ to you then so be it... 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
@@rasxiel2493 Jordan didn't play 6 seasons. Jordan is 6/15 for making to the finals. So you could say Jordan dominated for 6 years while Lebron dominated for 8 straight years, 10 total.
He’s amazing, much respect. It only gets silly when they do the mj comparisons. Jordan doesn’t hold any of the all time records for points, rebounds, assist, steals etc Yet he’s universally the consensus best player ever. Especially for those who actually watched him & aren’t relying on RUclips videos to put it in perspective. Great career non the less.
I mean if you subjectively value longevity above everything else than I don't have a problem with LeBron being your GOAT. But although most people value longevity, they also value things like winning, accomplishments, accolades, stats, impact etc. And frankly, LBJ only beats MJ in longevity - To most people, that isn't enough to put him over MJ.
@@ducamorisable Nah sustained excellence is not easy though. Just give Lebron his credits. You can have MJ as your GOAT like everyone else and it's totally fine. Don't be blinded by hatred and envy that you forgot someone is doing something unheard of. 20 years still on top of his game. Endless Prime Lebron.
@@Vermouth06 I never said it was easy. The fact that it's hard is why he's in the conversation. Modern science, load management, soft league, genetics, whatever it is, to play on this level for 20 damn years is truly something. And the fact that he has other accolades and accomplishments as well, like multiple rings, mvps, fvmps, etc. Is why he's in most people's top 3. I'm just saying, that to most people, the part where he excels at, and where he is above everyone else, isn't winning, or prime, or stats, it's longevity. Which is why most people have Jordan over him.
If you're now considering LeBron or confirming him to be the GOAT after he broke the record then why weren't you considering Kareem to be the GOAT when he had the record?
Ok ask yourself that question first… and you know the reason… stop moving the goal post for what this man accomplishes… you casual non athletic folks tell on yourselves so damn much it’s annoying
Shaq also said "I can't really remember the names of the clubs we went to" when a reporter asked him "did you visit the Parthenon during your trip to Greece?"
@@billalhamd1453 He meant it? Of course, just like when he said Wilt is the MDE (most dominant ever) then a few days later he said he'd "bust Wilt's ass." Love Diesel. He's my second favorite player all-time behind Magic but it's obvious he suffers from CTE.
Exactly! Glad I'm not the only one who felt this! Bron said he felt like the GOAT, after beating GS. Everyone killed him, for it. He was clearly trying to be humble here, and Shaq's jealousy led to pettiness! No other all-time great get pressured into answering THAT question. Shaq knew what he was doing. Bet he doesn't consider LeBron the goat, after last night. If he does, he won't say it 💯
He up there probably the second best player of all time . Similar to comparing NFL legend running back s Emmett Smith and Barry sander . Emmett Smith is the leading rusher of all times but Barry Sanders is the best NFL running back of all time .
Its not a coincidence that even though he has most points ever no one considers him an elite scoring threat. He couldnt even win scoring championships against his peers and has many holes (worst of which is FREE throws lol). However, if you play long enough (despite accumulating injuries and missed games), change your game (eg, play less defence) and can score consistently (like Malone, Kareem etc) you will be able to compete for the longevity stat that is the highest total points.
This guy was drafted when I was in 7th grade, I’m 31 now and he’s still dominating.
Those were good times huh🙏🏿
He's still crying that's what he's doing. MJ FOREVER
@@reallastpanther if MJ played against the 2017-2018 warriors he would have retired mid series
I was in 8th grade when he was drafted
So you never saw jordan play, how sad. All you have is his shoes
Being consistently at the top of your game for 20 years in any sport is absolutely ridiculous... he has practically competed with players of two generations and still come up on top. You cant but admire and respect that.
That’s mad when you look at it like that.. 😳
nah most sports like soccer and baseball holds a lot of old head goats too, it's just so different because for all those 20 years he hasn't deteriorated as a player. you could say it's just genetics but even genetics can't keep you giving it your all for 20 years in a sport that requires all aspects of your body and mind to be top tier at all times.
@@kwoo6925 very very few athletes have dominated for 20 years. Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic, Nadal, and some others are examples of athletes that have dominated for about 15 years. 15 years is crazy, but even then those guys had peaks and valleys, and generally had about a 10-12 year span where they were at the absolute top. Lebron is a freak because he has literally been at the VERY top for 20 years without (really) declining. I cannot think of a player that has been the best of the best since 2003, except maybe Tom Brady (but his position isn’t as athletically depended). Lebron is a freak of freaks
Literally
3 generations actually 👍😁
Broke a 38 year record with 38 pts (38,000+pts) on the 38th day of the year at 38 years old. HISTORY
Highly suspicious 😂
@@jonathanvalero648 the numbers mason!
38 likes as well. :)
Edit: Welp, nvm.. I guess I was early for this comment.
😅🤣
Thanks for pointing out the gematria and blatant masonic symbolism 🤣
Wow
Not even a huge Lebron fan, but I respect the hell out of that answer. How can you not bet on yourself when asked that? Good on him for acknowledging everyone has their favorites and that he's just happy to be in the conversation and with good company.
Yea it felt suprisingly good to hear that "Yes, I seek to be the greatest of al time and i think im the one" How can you hate on honest answer.
nice that he has grown bc he said he was the goat after getting 2nd tilte x)
@@valuxlevelux5618 2nd title my ass. you gotta earn more than 2 to be the goat
He's had years of coaching regarding his responses, after prematurely calling himself the Goat due to his corporate ring chasing abilities. Yes he handles this question exactly as he had rehearsed it many times over. Good job LJ. You finally said something that makes sense to people besides your fans.
You respect that answer? Wow. Only on this generation man. Sucks to have grown up in the 90s when athletes and just regular people were 1000 times more humble and now have to deal with this.
LeBron’s the only NBA superstar that gets killed for being confident in himself
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@@deshundillard1337 Ali did though.....
@@robglobal1 not many players are as historically great as him though. You destroyed your own argument
@@deshundillard1337 we don’t gaf who you talking about troll Kobe shoulda took you on that helicopter trip
@@zeki6338yeah because he hasn’t earned it yet, 23 talking like he’s is one of a kind player.
You can hate him or love him…however you can’t deny his greatness. Congrats Bron 👑
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The amount of people I’ve just came across still hating on this man is insane..
Fr
He’s the GOAT
@@kesedrionbowens the amount of people ive just came across still glazing this mans meat is insane
This man has been consistently scrutinized, criticized since HS. All eyes are on him, yet he always comes up on top. Bron is born for greatness.
Preach bro !!
Welcome to celebrity hood.
This is honestly the best argument for why he’s the goat. I’m not saying it he is necessarily I’m just saying it’s a great argument. The fact that he came into the league with more pressure than probably any other athlete ever, and still managed to meet if not exceed those expectations is ridiculous.
@@par32 dont forget jackie robinson
Man, he hasn’t been criticized since he’s come out of high school stop with your bullshit. While he was still in high school he was called the chosen one. The man has been hyped up since day one. The critics came mainly after he joined the Heat.
Something about Shaq and LeBron conversing is just next level legendary. I don't think I've ever seen them talk to each other, lol. Both absolute units.
They played together (Cavs).
@@dylanmatipa136 Yeah I know, but I mean talk to each other in an interview like this.
Shaq made him his bitch in this interview. Everyone on earth submits to Shaq. Shaq is the biggest baddest most athletic beast of a man since Wilt. Even Bron gets pulverized in physicality by prime Shaq. Basketball is a simulation of fighting and masculinity but not a real fight. When things get truly physical and Shaq comes alive EVERYONE knows who is boss
Two very powerful fellas in America
@@dylanmatipa136 yeah but cavs shaq was past his prime
Shaq tested this man with the questions
Shaq is a bum, he would come off the bench in today’s NBA. Big fella gump
@@yo3rdtier128 ur a little slow huh
@@yo3rdtier128You must be 10 and never watched prime Shaq live 😅
@@yo3rdtier128 Maybe never speak on basketball ever again…
@@yo3rdtier128 you must have been a sperm in your queer dad then when shaq was dominating the early 2000 era.
Watching this dude since my cavs drafted him when i was thirteen. Dude the sole reason why i am a basketball fan. What an incredible career. Still thankful as hell for 2016. Stayed up till midnight on a work night just to watch last night. My goat
I respect the “my” in there. This is the legend you grew up with, and he’s definitely the greatest since then.
Same I'm tired at work right now😂😂. I'm about to fall asleep at work trying to watch history. It was easier watch lebron as a elementary school didn't have responsibilities.
@@SirGenesis206 yeah, arguing about actual goats is nonsense and personal opinion. dude brought my city a championship and i am forever going to be biased
@@nickp440 I respect it.
Same. Im at work tired af but couldn’t miss it.
Shaq is crying on the inside that it's not him being interviewed.
😂
Stupid comment
Still somehow made the segment about himself with Kareem and him
What tf are you talking ab he showed him so much love🤦🏾♂️
@@trav8787 he didn’t make it about himself are you deaf?
Shaq is awesome man. One of the few guys who actually know what it’s like to be on another level like LeBron
shaq and kobe got in a fight after their 3 peat
lakers won so much people didn't like them
everyone cheered for them wallace boys in detriot that year
shaq went to miami. shaq won 1 chip kobe won 2 more
Let's just appreciate this man. I wasn't able to see Kareem achieve this but I'm glad I was able to witness this man's career since day one. Dude is a goat for sure. Not my goat still, it will always be MJ for me but LeBron is definitely my second favorite player of all time. Dude is a legend and an icon. Nothing but respect for him.
Facts!
Kobe 🤙
True, im not forcing anyone to have MJ as their goat but if they ask then im gonna explain why i think MJ is the TRUE G.O.A.T.
It's just like my grandfather's GOAT is pele and my is messi.. LoL.. LBJ GOAT.. MJ is just part of revolution coz TV started in his era, accolades are rigged and biased..
Well said!
Shaq gets his own call off from Bron at the end that's respect
Big Fella I love it
That’s respect
Shaq just an instigator 😂😂😂
No. Shaq knew he won't say MJ. Who is the best. You see anybody else retire for 2 years and then come back to win back-to-back-to-back titles again AFTER winning 3 straight before retiring. Nope. Just MJ.
@@christinejones7902 i mean i guess?? 🤷🏾♂️ im not a LeStan nor am i a Jordan meat rider lol i just think shaq like to egg on the debate just as much as yall like to argue it 😂
@@elitheinvader I don't have to argue it. I am a female. While in high school and college, I modeled my game after MJ. And took hard hits, didn't complain about fouls, and just balled out...
@@christinejones7902 uhm i mean ok… went i was in hs and juco i modeled my game after Derrick Rose. Straight hooper but my coach was mentally abusive 😕
@@elitheinvader I get that. Sometimes one of my coaches would rather lose the game that let the best shine...
This dude was drafted before I was born. I'm 18. He is still dominating. Idk if we'll ever see greatness like this again but I sure hope so
Not dominating with a losing record the last few years lol
@@oridsolutions4405 true the record hasn't been great lol, but he's been consistently averaging great numbers and there's only so much one man can do. Ima just appreciate greatness while we still have it
@@oridsolutions4405 maybe because winning is a team thing. More than 1 player on a team lol.
Bro said never see greatness like this again like Micheal jordan ain’t exist
@@PIuggo This dude, you know damn well he meant there might not be anyone as great as LeBron in the coming years. Not talking about who’s already the greatest, you just want to hate huh
Something I feel people aren't talking about enough is that he did it without essentially a top 3 point gaurd of all time like Kareem and Malone did. A greater percentage of his buckets were created by himself.
Good research bro !!!! Preach !!
You calling Stockton a top 3 pg of all time? 😂
@@sneakershorts7029 I mean, Stock was a good passer so I guess top 3 passer?
But he had a top 3 sg and hofers like chill lol smh
Yeah he did it better but don't make him the best ever look at it this way there's no good defense in the NBA anymore not like the early 2000s or the '90s all they want to do is shoot threes most of the time there's no defense
If you’re competing at this level, you have to think of yourself as the GOAT. Whether you agree with him or not, it’d be so soft if he sat there on TV and said “nah, it’s someone else”
The word you're looking for is humility and that isn't soft. His accolades speak for themselves, and he does deserve to boast, but being humble is far from soft.
@@conneralexander7514
It's not humility when you have to lie or dodge questions.
@@keif9447 An opinion is not a lie, its an opinion.
@@conneralexander7514 let’s be real he’d get hate either way
No real GOAT thinks of themselves as the GOAT. You think you are the best but not the GOAT.
Shaq instigating 😂😂😂
How
the worst part of his career always will be that he wasnt picked up by a legit organization like lakers or spurs early on. i honestly could have seen this dude win 8 to 10 championships if he met the right front office at the right time.
The right front office doesn't pick number 1 overall in the draft.
He went to the Heat, got a big three there and still went 2 and 2. Don't act like it's on the fo.
@@myselfandeye3884yeah and he got two rings out of four years there… he played with the trash cavs for countless seasons, took their horrible teams to the finals several times, but he couldnt get the right help and only managed one ring there.
@@myselfandeye3884 ok and? 2 championships is supposed to be a bad thing??tf...the last spur year shouldnt even count cuz it wasnt a big 3 any more, wade was past his prime.
@@myselfandeye3884 how many times did it take Jordan to win his first? Jordan needed Pippen and a few other good players, no slouches either. Can you name another all star that played w Lebron in Cleveland when he took them only in his 4th year @ age 22? 😂 stop it dude.
I love it when Shaq says Shaq here like people can’t tell his voice 😂
Ahhahaah that's so funny though
Grew up watchin MJ, watched lebron as well. The way MJ played the game is on its own level. Lebron has broken the record but the overall greatness of Jordan is nothing anyone can match, my opinion
Agreed bro, grew up watching lebron play ball for 20 years man. Never watched mj on tv or in person but his highlights speak for itself!!! The man could not be stopped offensively. Man had every possible move in his arsenal. If the man played in this league, he would score 40 each game.
I agree bro. I'm 39 and I've watched a lot of basketball. Nobody did it like Jordan! He's on another level
I agree, grew up on Jordan he was just different and had the heart of a lion every single night. The only person who’s close to him individually in my opinion was Wilt, I think wilt would average 50 in todays game with the offensive driven rules.
@@ryancusimano5892Jordan averaged 20 points his last year in the league buddy could even shoot threes an talking about he gonna average 50 😂
@@nathanwilkerson2868 it’s easier to score points now
Its crazy that in year 20, he still can score so effortlessly
How many scoring titles?
@@stormswrath565 well he's not a scorer. I'm sure he just focus on scoring then he would have a bunch of scoring titles but he likes to pass the ball
@@Dee--Jay Easy era to score in
@@jcsuperstar4646 yup. There no big man. And the few we got kinda soft on defense
@@stormswrath565 doesn’t need em never led the league in fga like Jordan
I really can't believe it. From him inhigh school to now. All the hype. Took that and went above and beyond. Just amazing.
Longevity doesn’t make you the 🐐… I’d take Prime MJ over anyone any day
10 years ago, looking at the all-time list, the thought of someone catching Kareem seemed impossible.
It seemed impossible because you never thought nba would turn out to be soo soft it’s easy to score now it’s a scoring game not like the old days you were fighting both ends
@@deatrhr0w Oh yea it was soooo difficult back then that the dudes would be up gambling until 7am on game day, go eat 2 big macs, wash it down with a coke, then go drop 35pts.😂
I don’t get why people kept saying old NBA is harder… the game evolved, you think a center like Kareem or wilt with the skill back then could adapt to these level of play style right now? Heck no, that’s like saying military back then is stronger than military now.
@@Phamimi_ Stupidest take I've ever heard. You think that two of the greatest centers of all time wouldn't be able to adapt?
@@ducamorisable yes considering how two of those greatest center of all time were never 3 point shooters. Nowadays traditional NBA centers are not played as much.
Every great player has to feel like they're the greatest or at least could be or they wouldn't be great at all. Props to Bron for a magnificent career.
💯💯
Exactly
Bruh if I’m shaq I feel I’m the greatest .
It's just stupid to try to elevate a 6 time nba finals loser over a 6 time champion with no losses. I don't care how many points he scores, you can't erase his postseason record. He broke a record held by a legend. Ok. He still has a worse postseason record than the legend who's record he broke, so he's not even a greater winner than Kareem. MJ is outta his league, standing alone with Scottie at 6-0. Hate it or love it, it's the truth & Shaq knows better.
Yeah but Shaq said “we all gotta shut up” if he breaks Kareem’s record. I think he didn’t think Bron would do it and he did. So now Bron feels justified when he really ain’t.
why do people act like not even making playoffs or finals is better than losing in the finals lmao? "no losses" yeah if you dont count first round exits as losses than sure i guess
He literally exceeded all expectations coming out of highschool. The question was "will he ever win a ring?" Did that 4X times. Lol
4 for 20 is a pretty bad percentage
@@guymito9928 bro only bill Russell and his teammates have above 50%. You can’t win them all
@@guymito9928 22-33 record in the finals
He did surpass expectations for sure. He didn’t have to be “the GOAT” to be an amazing #1 pick and savior of a suffering franchise. A phenomenal career and even better person off the court.
*3.5 😂
Michael Jordan has 6 championships as opposed to Lebron James’ 4 championships. Jordan has 6 final MVPs while LeBron has 4. MJ has 10 scoring titles to Lebron’s 1 scoring title. Michael Jordan has 5 MVPs, while LeBron has 4. Michael Jordan is also the only one of the two to win Defensive Player of the Year (winning it in 1988)
Add the two hundred steals and hundred blocks. Jordan did it twice. These people tickle me with Lebron being the greatest just because he eclipsed Kareem. Also, Kareem has 6 titles and 6 mvps. How does being number one in points beat that? [like what?]
I’ll take Larry Bird over Lebron.
Bron has better avg. game stats and all time stats which is crazy as he’s in his older age.
I'll just say that. MJ would never have smiled and laughed in an interview after a L while his team wasn't even playing for .500.
Shaq is lowkey jealous 😂
Idek why that fatass should be jealous tbh. Bro shouldve put in work. Kobe also said he always works so he would never have to look back and say “i should have”.
He should have taken better care of himself
Nah not lowkey. He said it multiple times 😂
What lowkey? He outright says that he is ‘professionally jealous’
who won't be? I aint even a basketball player.
"imma take myself, against anybody that has ever played this game" that's Kobe mentality right there.💜💛
Kobe "Job's not done" Bryant wouldn't have lost the game (or at least he wouldn't be celebrating prematurely)
@@andrew_lim of course kobe wouldn't. He's not like that. He never lose a game, 82-0 every year bro fr
@@rafidammar5822 he definitely wouldn't be celebrating
@@andrew_lim He wouldn’t blame Bron for celebrating…..and he would’ve barely been passing the the ball on this journey too.🤣 Let’s not forget Bron just passed two players in one game to become fourth in assists on the way to the scoring title. Let that sink in.🤔
@@andrew_lim Kobe's mamba mentality is inspiring, but so is Lebron's discipline. They're different. At this point most people will rank Lebron ahead of Kobe all-time. He just had a better career and was better overall.
He's not. Even he knows that. That's why he answered the question like that. lol
I’ve literally watched Lebron’s ENTIRE career including his high school games! His first NBA Game against the Sacramento Kings was on my Birthday 10/29/2003. I remember watching that game and I told my cousin, “he will be one of the greatest” To see him still be just great as the day he entered the league and be in the conversation as top two (for me he’s number 1) … it’s insane! He’s dedicated his Entire life to the NBA and has done it with style, sheer talent, and grace! When this man finally says he’s done, it’s going to break my heart! He’s literally my favorite basketball player ever!
🤴🏾🐐🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
thats cuz you never seen the real goat play before MJ 🐐
Congrats to LeBron for achieving that achievement
*accomplishing
Yeah its unbelievably believable when you believe that he believes that everybody believes in him. In short there can be miracle when you believe
@@nooneevencares8746 LMFAO FAX 🗣
looooooooooool
@@omegamcbride accomplishing the accomplishment tho lol
SAY WIT YA CHEST BRON!!!! 🐐 👑
im still taking MJ but im glad i got to watch brons greatness growing up
Brons greatness growing up.. meaning you were too young to watch MJ live? Hmm lol sounds like you’re a MJ highlight watcher who is a 🐑 in this debate topic
Same here definitely a fan of both but MJ is my pick as well and if anyone questions that based off stats they need to see the GOAT comparison vid of MJ vs LBJ
Nah
@@Ghostem-bb4ghlebron is better
@@TrenchBaby13 it's understandable if you wouldn't see it heck nobody likes it when their favorite is exposed
For me MJ is the GOAT ... Bron is top 5 player...MJ is on another level
Shaq sounded a little jealous. Lol. Shaq could have easily been in the GOAT conversation but decided not to give it 100% in the second part of his career.
That's why him a kobe split up. He admitted kobe was right he just sensitive about at the time .
@@chasebows just think how great MJ is....he is mentioned to give Shaq credibility. Why name a single plaoff series win?....bc MJ is the goat. Everybody except the Raptors beat Lbj in the playoffs
Especially that little cough to clear his throat before asking him the question . Definitely abit of bitterness 😂
When Lebron was asked the question if he was the goat, he answered it perfectly. He said that he knows what he brings to the table but he will let others debate who the greatest is.
Lolol… after saying he was the GOAT when he won his second ring 😂😂😂…
he was young people chaneg but bron has every right to call himsefl goat@@Jrwriter0908
@@Jrwriter0908how upset yall got over all the times he says that just proves his point he really is the goat
@@Jrwriter0908just like DURANT right now right?
Glad to say I was alive to witness this.
Shaquille O’Neal I remember when you said on full send podcast that LeBron’s plan is to pass up Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the all-time scoring list. When he passes Kareem, we all have to shut the hate
I've been a Cavs fan since '90, and I'll always be a fan of LeBron's game, but this "best" conversation truly is for middle school kids. There have been a lot of great players in the history of the NBA, and LeBron is always going to be considered among the greats.
Lebron is the greatest by his accomplishment
And the fact that nobody is better than him on the court he can do every f ing thing playing pg sg sf pf and center
He's the undisputed goat
That such an embarrassing way to do it honestly lol. Looked he didn’t even care about the win
Lebron is a narcissist. He’s celebrating like he won a championship.
"You can hate him or love him but you watched because that's all you could do was WATCH"
Jordan
In Each of ALL Their PRIMES:
(Do your research before answering)
1) Who was the BEST ALL AROUND Player?
A) “Magic” Johnson
B) Big O” Oscar Robertson
C) Lebron “king” James
D) “The Big Hurt” Elgin Baylor
2) Who was the MOST PROLIFIC Guard?
A) MJ
B) Kobe
C) Magic
D) Big O
E) “Ice Man” George Gervin
3) Who was BETTER ?
A) Scotty Pippen
B) Grant Hill
C) Larry “Legend” Bird
D) T- Mac
4) Who Would YOU Choose at the guard position?
A) “the Answer / AI” Allen Iverson
B) James Harden
C) D- Wade
D) Ray Allen
4) Who was MORE DOMINANT?
A) Lebron James
B) SHAQ
C) Big O
D) Elgin Baylor
E) MJ
F) Wilt Chamberlain
G) Bill Russell
H) Hakeem Olajuwon
I) Kareem Abdul Jabar
J) David Robinson
1.C,2.B,3.C,4.C,5.A
Shaq trying to start more controversy over a non answerable, never-ending question.
It’ll never be broken. Not only do players no longer start as young as he did, but even if they could well never see another that good at so young and still so good at his current age.
Durant would have been the only possibility but he kept getting injured. I think luka could come second but no one's passing lebron
@@wswann34I agree but never say never. In 30 years from now we might witness someone else do it
Someone will possibly, but wonder if it'd be during our lifetimes. But the LeBron's durability certainly helped a whole lot.
@oo70mar stop the hate 🤣🤣🤣 they not breaking Bron record no time soon kid
Luka Doncic if he has healthy and long career.
Great to see Shaq and LBJ with the love
Brett Favre was the toughest QB ever and his streak of games will likely never be broken. But longevity doesn't make him the GOAT. James is most dominant player of his era, no question. His longevity plays a key role in his stats. But James was a choker in the playoffs until it dawned on him that he lived in the era superstars could form their own teams and that was the only way he could stop choking in the playoffs and finals. He has stats to back up and confirm his greatness, but Jordan is the GOAT. No one owned the game the way Jordan did. No one.
Scores 36 points in 3 quarters then proceeds to score 2 points in the 4th quarter and Lakers lose. Lebron is the scoring champion, cool but he will never be the GOAT because MJ isn't losing that game because he cared more about the win. Those are facts
Dude shut up about mj💀
lebron is making more money this year than your entire family tree wil ever dream of. Those are facts
The thing with me is LeBron running around at age 38 must raise eyebrows How often is he drug tested? American pro sport is not interested in catching drug cheats.
@@mjav__ Lol it also goes for you too, and a fkn irrelevant point kid.
You know what’s crazy, Lebron may not know you but he cares more about you than MJ does
He’s the goat for his longevity, but Michael’s peak and history still makes him the GOAT imo
MJ the Goat, Kobe second for me. But Bron definitely on mt. rushmore. Top 5 dead or alive💯
1) MJ 2) Kobe 3) Bron 4) Kareem 5) Magic
@@jhl4828 keep riding he almost finished 🫃
The way I look at it is LeBron has def had the better career, but Jordan is definitely the GOAT
Just depends how you look at it. As a career brown smokes MJ. As a peak it’s not even close. MJ all day. Boxing everyone still says Ali. But if you go by the rule that gives the goat to MJ then the goat is without any doubt Mike Tyson. There’s no right or wrong answer. They both have a strong case.
Congrats Lebron 🙂
But, let's not forget about the Kareem Abdul -jabbar I remembered
Kareem from the Bruce Lee movie
He got drafted when i was in kindergarten.. I'm 25 now and dude might still be able to win 1 more championship. Appreciate greatness while its still there
Don’t worry about a win, just go break the record 😂😂😂
seriously, if the win gets you in the playoffs or which seed, then hell yea all important thing is to get the W first then worry about records later.
This what I’ve been saying lml
Yup, with the team's help 🤣😂😅
I mean the team was winning when he was on the floor, but lost all their composure when Bron went to the bench
Not to mention he hit 36 at the end of the 3rd quarter and only added 2 points the whole 4th quarter. Only thing that mattered was the record.
To be honest MJ still the goat, only 13 years he achieved so much more and more than lebron’s 20 years career!
It was really only 11½ he was hurt almost all of his 2nd year and only played like 20 games the year he came back from retirement
It’s not even that close, really. And I don’t like Jordan as a person so I don’t want to sit here defending him. But it’s obvious to me he would find a way to win against anyone.
15* years
@@wilfredoguzmanperalta2741 ya love to try to throw in the washington years he was 40 years old in washington with far less help than lebron has on this lakers squad nobody really expected him to do anything let's see lebron with no ad or other superstar lead a team to a ring at 40 he can't even do that now with another superstar
That's a cool story but Jordan never won a damn thing with the Wizards and Bron did more with less on the Cavs. Your hatred is making you so ignorant you can't form rational thoughts in regards to the topic. Let that go.
Beat the record and walked away with an L 😂
Typical Bron
And you comment on this video without accomplish anything
@@Noone-mk2oy your a liar. But OP made a good point. BroN has ALWAYS been a big time Achiever. Thing is…he prioritizes all the side quest stuff and every now and then gets the Main Quest done.
Whereas Jordan prioritizes and completes the MAIN quest with platinum trophies. Think about all the games you Almost beat because you got lost in side missions. Or goals for that matter.
He got so caught up in "side quests" that he gets criticized for ring chasing by team hopping, colluding and formulating super teams. Ffs you guys can't even maintain a shred of consistency in your rationale. If MJ is the GOAT in your opinion, let anyone else who disagrees talk. Who gaf? Yall will trip all over your own arguments just to disparage someone instead. Fr wake the hell up put of the delusional hate and marketing ploy that has everyone pitting MJ vs LBJ to make money off the foolishness. Dumb as rocks bro. Btw this isn't a video game, smh.
That’s not an arguement because he dropped 38 points blame his team not him
Lebron is not only a legend on the court but the way he handles himself, speaking eloquently and professionally is amazing. He doesn't let himself get blinded by ego but still has heart. He's like the perfect human being
Shaq just trynna make Lebron do some self-damaging stuff. He ain’t take the bait. 🤣
Crazy
he already said it before with no coaxing. "thats when i knew i was da goat" haha. more like golden calf i think ole king hole.
It’s WILD to me how you guys flip flop. I’m not gonna even use Jordan and Kobe imma use Ronaldo. Ronaldo says he feels he’s the best in history and everyone calls him a “mentality monster” but when Bron says he feels like he’s the best it’s “so and so wouldn’t say they’re the best of all time.” 🤦🏽♂️
Ronaldo geta flak for it too, he's been saying he's the greatest when Messi was winning 3 consecutive Ballon Dor
Stupid comment. No one cares about Ronaldo
Ronaldo just got clout there's better players
Got to respect what he has done. Much respect. MJ is the GOAT to me. Was fun to watch. Great video
Dude didn’t even care that they lost the game 😂.
he only cares about himself
Believe me he did
Imagine MJ losing a game like that.
Or even Bird? Impossible.
This is why he's not even close to being the GOAT. Not even close.
@@misterkefir he dropped 38 pts not his fault lmao
@@liltricky4495 how many in 4th though?
Michael Jordan is the goat at all times
Will forever be behind MJ
When you have 8 Mjs running around in the NBA. They split the glory 8 ways. Deeper talent today
Lebron is such a stand up guy
congrats but he dont even have 6 yet and Kobe has 5
Thank You!
That hurts to hear that from Shaq. Imagine if it was him
He was lazy like kobe said. That's Shaq fault.
Shaq never broke 30 points per game. Shaq honestly is just being delusional here. Even if he kept himself in amazing shape, the numbers just arent there. Still the most dominant ever though.
@@DrWNoLs that's shaqs point. He was lazy. He knows he could've EASILY averaged WAY more per game
@@Edg30fd3w0r1d Being lazy is why his prime was so short. But he did have a very good temporary prime, I dont think many would say his ceiling wouldve been that much different in those few years. To both imagine his peak would be higher AND his longevity would be higher due to a theoretical work ethic is a little absurd. Shaq is simply overrating his potential.
Yeah cause why does a 7’1 dude need any work ethic. I’m sure he regrets not trying harder but I think he’s chilling
MJ is the standard to which all are measured!!!
When you have 8 Mjs running around in the NBA. They split the glory 8 ways. Deeper talent today
MJ is the goat of the 90s, not all time. Mr James is the actual GOAT
@@chrismount5069 Deeper talent but harder defense back then
@@3-methylindole730 Nah mj the goat cause he had a bigger impact on the game you can call bron the best but not greatest
6 > 4
Sorry, he is not better than Jordan
I will answer for Lebron, MJ is the GOAT. There I said it.
Great accomplishment but I don’t think it propels him to the 🐐. MJ is “only” 5th all time scoring and is still considered by many to be the best. He never needed the scoring record to prove that. He also took a 1.5 years off and went to college first. He probably would’ve had 40k+
yall sound like communists, its over the greatest ever is debatable especially considering Pippen, Iverson, Gervin, Magic, Bird, Walton have all made it clear that there's definitely a discussion....
@@mauricerhodes1756 I mean there's certainly a discussion. No one in their right minds would deny that LeBron is one of the greatest. However, there's a discussion in a sense that if you subjectively value longevity above everything else, LBJ is your GOAT. Just how if you subjectively value winning above everything else, Bill Russel is your GOAT.
However, most people put more stock into a players peak rather than their longevity, that coupled MJ's winning, accolades and accomplishments usually puts him above other all time greats in most peoples eyes.
Kareem had 6 rings, 6mvps, and scoring leader. Barely anyone (like 1%) had Kareem as their GOAT. Lebron had a 4yr head start, took 1600 more free throws (1172 points or equivalent to an extra 800fgas) to pass Kareem. Also, played his whole career in an era attempting to boost scoring by restricting defense.
As right as you are the Lestats cult don't want to here the facts! They got to disrespect the greats to argue that ol Bron Bron is the goat! Lebron finals record 22-33 4-6 Jordan finals record 24-11 and in he famous words of Lavar Ball "Never Lost"
He did it less games than Kareem, which surprised me.
Let me try to put LeBron James imminent all-time NBA scoring record in perspective. There will very soon be only 6 men (Kareem, Malone, Jordan, Bryant, Nowitzki and Chamberlain) within 10,000 points of James. 10,000 points more than all but 6 players in history!
Longavity , MJ entered the league at 23 only and was out of the league for 2 years playing baseball
@@dodododododo8311 the longevity only makes it more impressive, the fact you can play at a high level at 38 is amazing. People act like being able to play for a long time is a negative.
@@dodododododo8311 lwbron could have averaged 35 for 15 seasons and copped more injury and been retired. Dont believe me? His doing it at 38.
@@TSG_ sure you can play with all the load management and with all the games missed, when MJ played he had to show up every game unless he was injured. Also MJ at 40 years old for the last 10 games before injury averaged almost 30 points, he also made 19 wins charlote hornets team to play off team. Dont get me wrong Lebron is a grate player, but MJ did not have to leave Bulls to win. Lebron in a way ruined the league too as other players started running like chickens from one team to another. Curry did not go anywhere, Giannis proved that he can win it with Bucks, Kawai won it too, talk about Koby who stayed with Lakers till the end, Just Lebron had to get bunch of superstars and change teams to win it. So concidering all this Lebron will never be the goat
@@nathanh2725 no he could not if he could he would
the dude showing his homie on facetime is a real one
BREAKING: NBA player has confidence in himself
How dare he!
Kobe woulda say congrats my brother 💯💯💯🔥
Helluva accomplishment, I'm NEVER a hater. That being said when they look at who has scored the most points in the NBA, LeBron's name will be at the top of the list, congrats on that young man, coming from the BIGGEST Michael Jordan fan ever... 🔥🔥🔥
LBJ is greater than MJ.MJ has fewer points overall
@@KingoftheRoad-2023 stop it, Jordan didn’t need to play 20 years
@@KingoftheRoad-2023 Jordan was in the league 14yrs tops Babatunde, slow down and don't talk crazy. I'm congratulating LeBron on carving out his own way in this league but there is only ONE 23 and that's Michael Jeffrey Jordan, and don't you forget that...
@@FoundationalAmericanBadass jordan relied too much on Pippen-LBJ is the GOAT
@@KingoftheRoad-2023 that's a lie and the truth ain't in you but one thing I'm not going to do is debate MY opinion or someone else so to each is own. If LeBron is better than MJ to you then so be it... 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Basketball was all about winning and averages.
But suddenly it became about accumulated stats like soccer, baseball. 🤷♂️
It’s been a privilege to watch him. I’m 22 years old and can’t remember a time where Lebron wasn’t dominating the league.
this year, last year... hmm like 14 years of his 20 years and when he was "dominating" lost, to some elders.
@@rasxiel2493 Jordan didn't play 6 seasons. Jordan is 6/15 for making to the finals. So you could say Jordan dominated for 6 years while Lebron dominated for 8 straight years, 10 total.
@@ChillDude123 what how can you say Lebron dominate 10 years? he won 3.5, so he dominate 3.5
GOAT MY VOTE WILL GO TO MJ
lol
That's your opinion
“Barber shop coc- uhh talk” 😂😂
I knew I wasn't the only one that heard that 😂😂😂
What is barber shop cock?
How is this funny?
@@grimyk379 because he was about to say “cock” kind of funny
if you have to say you're king you're no true king
LeBron is not the GOAT, but passing kareem in points is definitely a big achievement and it's gonna be hard to be achieved again.
Jordan all day
He’s amazing, much respect. It only gets silly when they do the mj comparisons. Jordan doesn’t hold any of the all time records for points, rebounds, assist, steals etc
Yet he’s universally the consensus best player ever. Especially for those who actually watched him & aren’t relying on RUclips videos to put it in perspective. Great career non the less.
joran got the highest career average an points for the regular season an playoffs
@@lilmark7210 don't even waste your time
I mean if you subjectively value longevity above everything else than I don't have a problem with LeBron being your GOAT.
But although most people value longevity, they also value things like winning, accomplishments, accolades, stats, impact etc. And frankly, LBJ only beats MJ in longevity - To most people, that isn't enough to put him over MJ.
@@ducamorisable Nah sustained excellence is not easy though. Just give Lebron his credits. You can have MJ as your GOAT like everyone else and it's totally fine. Don't be blinded by hatred and envy that you forgot someone is doing something unheard of. 20 years still on top of his game. Endless Prime Lebron.
@@Vermouth06 I never said it was easy. The fact that it's hard is why he's in the conversation. Modern science, load management, soft league, genetics, whatever it is, to play on this level for 20 damn years is truly something. And the fact that he has other accolades and accomplishments as well, like multiple rings, mvps, fvmps, etc. Is why he's in most people's top 3. I'm just saying, that to most people, the part where he excels at, and where he is above everyone else, isn't winning, or prime, or stats, it's longevity. Which is why most people have Jordan over him.
If you're now considering LeBron or confirming him to be the GOAT after he broke the record then why weren't you considering Kareem to be the GOAT when he had the record?
Ok ask yourself that question first… and you know the reason… stop moving the goal post for what this man accomplishes… you casual non athletic folks tell on yourselves so damn much it’s annoying
Shaq said last year or 2 years ago in an interview that if lebron was beating that record there would be no doubts about his goat status
Shaq also said "I can't really remember the names of the clubs we went to" when a reporter asked him "did you visit the Parthenon during your trip to Greece?"
@@katrinachavez3533 irrelevant af tf is this argument shaq said it and he meant it
@@billalhamd1453 He meant it? Of course, just like when he said Wilt is the MDE (most dominant ever) then a few days later he said he'd "bust Wilt's ass." Love Diesel. He's my second favorite player all-time behind Magic but it's obvious he suffers from CTE.
shaq really trying to get it out of lebron and start a controversy🤣🤣
Lebron been said it
Shaq seem salty for asking that type of question and setting him up for backlash
Exactly! Glad I'm not the only one who felt this! Bron said he felt like the GOAT, after beating GS. Everyone killed him, for it. He was clearly trying to be humble here, and Shaq's jealousy led to pettiness! No other all-time great get pressured into answering THAT question. Shaq knew what he was doing. Bet he doesn't consider LeBron the goat, after last night. If he does, he won't say it 💯
He up there probably the second best player of all time . Similar to comparing NFL legend running back s Emmett Smith and Barry sander . Emmett Smith is the leading rusher of all times but Barry Sanders is the best NFL running back of all time .
Never fails to impress
MJ is still the GOAT. But, you have to give this man appreciation. He broke a record that was thought to be unbreakable.
No way. LeBron is better
@@lkjp07 lol yea ok, get 3 more rings, then we can talk about better. Anyone can play in this league today. Hell you can flop and still score.
@@braddollahite rings aren’t everything
@@liltricky4495 you play to win the game
@@liltricky4495 in that case why isn’t curry the best pg of all time
Nothing but love and respect for this man
Kareem went to college (3 championships) and played against DEFENSES. Kareem could not be stopped, LeBron gets easy buckets.
Its not a coincidence that even though he has most points ever no one considers him an elite scoring threat. He couldnt even win scoring championships against his peers and has many holes (worst of which is FREE throws lol). However, if you play long enough (despite accumulating injuries and missed games), change your game (eg, play less defence) and can score consistently (like Malone, Kareem etc) you will be able to compete for the longevity stat that is the highest total points.
undisputed GOAT of his era and certainly on Mt Rushmore of the greatest.
Was kobe considered "his" era?
definitely a lot to dispute even with this record. It still doesnt make him the GOAT.
@@dominiquebrown2890 don’t even 😂
@@dominiquebrown2890 even is he was brons better
@@ashkanserat it does
MJ still the GOAT
that's not even being arrogant that's just speaking the truth
Jokic owns LeBron baby 😅 😊😂🎉
He drinks wine after an OKC home loss
Yikes
His team gives him no support
What else should he do?