Viewers Mistakes #11 | The Difference In Speed
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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This episode highlights the dangers in the difference of speed between road users.
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On the 1st one, without a rear view we don't know if reversing was an option, could easily have been other cars following the cammer.
Little white car pretending to be a truck.
No way I'd be kerbing my car in that situation. Little white car loser would have to move.
The cammer car simply could not see the approaching car which had priority because of the corner, Very bad road layout here. And as others have said, we dont know if it was safe for them to reverse due to following traffic. All the blame has to be with the road designers.
@@alasdairmackenzie905It's so often the case: road layout/signage causes potential problems. Obviously, there are aspects that can't be changed because of cost, natural obstacles etc. It's how we mitigate the issues as drivers, that's the skill 😊
@@olircThat's the fascinating psychology of driving! "I'm right & am going to 'punish' you for being wrong", is so common. Even if it doesn't help anyone, or causes risk.
You hope for: "I think I'm right, but will move over to stop this being an issue for both of us". Some can't be seen to 'back down' though, even if they're wrong; particularly with passengers, or other drivers around.
There can be this whole internal dialogue, sometimes subconscious, going on when we drive. Territory, status, attitude, 'winning', it's all going on!
2:40. You can see that she has ear phones in listening to music completely oblivious to anything going on behind her.
And she is on a municipal hire bike, meaning she is probably someone who is a part time cyclist and not familiar with the rules of the road.
Also, don't overtake at a junction.
Very generous marking for her though - a B! For someone wearing earphones, no shoulder check, weaving all over the lanes and zero roadcraft. This is not a B.... Despite all that this is why this segregated cycleway infrastructure is so good, because it allows casual cyclists like this to cycle, which is a good thing. On the roads this cycling results in death/serious injuries.
@@andyuk2010 I agree. Ash commented on the cammer's lack of communication, but how could the cyclist in front have heard anything? She was weaving across both lanes too. Awful riding, no better than an F.
A part time cyclist because they are on a hire bike?
I work with many people who will travel by train to the office then use hire bikes to travel around London. Usually due to no room on the trains during the morning commute to take their own bike
This is like comparing those in hire vehicles as part time drivers. More likely they don’t care about the vehicle they have hired and will treat it as ifnl it wasn’t their own
The biggest issue here was trying to force passed another road user. Would you overtake a motorsed vehicle weaving between lanes? Why do so just becuase you are both on bikes?
Poor riding in front but even poorer riding from the cammer
It's not even that deep. It's common sense to have a quick glance before a sudden change of direction. Naturally most people nowadays can't be bothered and it leads to near-misses like this. I think we've all been walking down roads or paths when some gormless person in front just walks into our path without warning.
6:47, the camer is being an absolute spanner. The type of person who will see someone in trouble and wind them up until something breaks.
Ash says “make it a non-event”. I disagree with his assessment. That’s what you say when somebody makes an error and you shouldn’t intentionally make the situation worse. In this case, the Merc was already on the roundabout so he takes priority. He’s within his right to take his time to clear it, no matter how clumsily. It IS a non-event. The cammer is legally obliged to give way and wait until the roundabout is clear. All he’s allowed to do is to sigh and mutter under his breath.
I would rate him well below an F, if such a thing existed. The other driver was rated way too harshly IMHO. An E for just being somewhat clumsy but not dangerous? Come on!
@@filipkonopacki1547 I don't think the E is for being "somewhat clumsy and not dangerous", I think it's for throwing an object at the cammer's vehicle.
Indeed.
He gets caught out by a vehicle making a U-turn at a mini-roundabout and you can hear him muttering "dashcam... dashcam... dashcam... dashcam" and furiously pummelling the "save footage" button.
I had to revisit that clip to verify that junction was indeed a mini-roundabout . I missed it in the first viewing partly because of the sun glare on the smoke fudged windscreen , partly because the roundabout sign is obscured by foliage , and partly because the road markings have been largely worn away .
You are quite correct ; the Mercedes was perfectly entitled to proceed around the roundabout ( legally , you are permitted to go three times around a roundabout if lost or disorientated , then you must leave ) , although the driver made a bit of a mess of it when the turning circle of any small rear wheel drive car should be more than able to negotiate that ( although a Triumph Herald would turn in half the diameter ) ; but there is no excuse for what the camera car driver did .
@@filipkonopacki1547Highway Code rule 188 “avoid making u-turns at mini-roundabouts”
So the merc driver didn’t really do a good job, not to mention he was going way too fast which is why he couldn’t get around the whole thing.
Also littering and throwing rubbish at people is unacceptable.
Not defending the cammer, they were just as bad.
1st clip is near where I used to live in Jesmond, Newcastle. This scenario happens all day every day at that bend. Usually either the white car would give way without entering the pinch point, or the cammer would stop exactly where they did and allow the white car to pass.
There is almost certainly enough room where the cammer stopped for the white car to pass, the white car just wanted to make a scene for no reason.
Yep, or they thought they were driving a lorry!
One other thing could have been there was cars behind the cam car so they couldn't proceed.
I think a mirror should be installed
Ah! That’s why it looked familiar. Used to live around that area (Gosforth) and regularly did pizza deliveries there
If that is truly a learner driver @8:05, then there ought to be a grade for both the learner driver themselves and the person supervising them. It was, truly awful, with no signalling and not observing properly. As it is, I don't think there was a learner in that car as generally, they don't tend to suddenly switch lanes and hit the accelerator hard. What often seems to happen is that some people just don't bother to remove the "L" plates at the end of a "lesson". If so, I hope whoever was driving that white care isn't giving tuition.
Sometime you have to stop at the end of a slip road if traffic is heavy and there is no gap to merge into. That's not helped by some of those who insist they do not have to help those joining a motorway by allowing a gap to grow between them and the vehicle in front to allow the merge.
Can't see how the cyclist in front gets a B Ash. She's oblivious to everything around her. Zero checks behind. Cycles in both lanes. Listening to music on ear buds. She's a D. Cyclist behind is an E cos they can see it all unfold yet still try to pass without making any attempt to communicate presence or intention.
I explained clearly that she's obviously inexperienced. Is this any different than a child riding? We have to look after the more vulnerable.
@@ashley_neal Sorry, I think you missed that she was wearing headphones (because you mentioned the cammer's lack of communication, which her headphones made impossible). Headphones always increase risk, so wearing them is obviously stupid when around moving vehicles. Along with her weaving, I would have given her an F.
But with driving, you've mentioned using speed before steering to avoid incidents. Cyclists tend to ignore this & the cammer certainly didn't back off, so I don't disagree with your assessment of them.
I also agree with Ash here, it is pretty poor practice to undercut someone across a junction. Yeah she didn't do a shoulder check but honestly who would when doing a left turn in that situation?
You're also projecting road rules onto a bike lane, which I think is a mistake, the main point of these lanes is to create a space where you mostly don't have to deal with lethal danger, so that space can work with much more relaxed rules than a roadway.
@ashley_neal I don't disagree on looking after the more vulnerable but we'll have to disagree on her score. As for comparing the situation to a child. If it were a child you can guarantee your viewer would have been much more cautious. As you often say though, your viewer could, and should, have made it a non event.
@@ashley_nealnaturally the same arguments apply to inexperienced car drivers as well then?
8:09 it’s at this point when all of the alarm bells should be ringing.
Traveling a speed and about to filter between stationary traffic where anyone could pull out [like the learner did], or a pedestrian could step out crossing over etc.
The clues in this type of situation are long queues full of drivers that might well think I should have picked the empty lane, well I will now. Meanwhile we approach at fifty times as fast a speed. This get more hazardous if the queues are moving very slowly as it enables drivers to pull out more easily than nose to tail stationary traffic. Anyone pulling out from that scenario will have a big angled move off.
Always keep the difference in speed between your lane and adjacent lanes low. A crash with difference of 20 kmh is a lot less lethal than a difference of 80 kmh.
@@waldolemmer How low? A better way to phrase that is to keep the difference in speed between your lane and the adjacent lane reasonable. The purpose of doing that is not so much reducing the severity of a crash, but to give others time to see you and give yourself enough time to react and a low enough braking distance to be able to stop.
1st clip, have I ever drove over the kerb to get out of an awkward situation ?…. Hell yes.
It’s illegal!!
@Nick.w23 what if theres a broken down car in the middle of the road?
It may be illegal to drive on a pavement, but slowly mounting the kerb to be able to avoid a hazard whilst making sure its safe to do so wont get you in trouble.
Neverending kerb and footway (and verge) repairs cost us all a fortune :-(
I had a learner drive over a footpath on her test. Passed. There was a truck delivering building materials, in the centre of the road, craning bags of sand over the parked cars to his left. Facing the truck, not enough room to pass. Learner looked at examiner, and said "Could be a long wait, I could use the footpath, there are no pedestrians." "That's what I'd do" was his reply. She checked again that it was all clear, and proceeded slowly through. No problem if done properly.
@@nigelcox1451Smart, very 👌
4:30 so happy to hear you say this. I was never explicitly taught what to do when I've taken a wrong turn, but my opinion has always been to just drive the wrong route and basically eat the time loss as my punishment for the mistake. But so many people I know will take risks trying to correct the bad turn and I just never understood it. Very few maneuvers in a car will cost you more than a couple minutes, it's best to just be safe when in a 2 ton vehicle.
1st clip...We have pinch points similar to this near where I live, they have been installed the wrong way round so that which ever direction you approach from, you cannot see oncoming vehicles until you are committed to the opposite lane. If the oncoming traffic is travelling at a reasonable speed, they can slow and allow you to complete, if they are racing (exactly the behaviour the 'calming' is intended to prevent but doesn't as they are given priority!) it is a head-on...there have been a few but the local council refuse to admit the measures are wrong.
There's a couple near me like that. The council just can't seem to work out simple things like sight-lines when putting these things in.
I disagree that the cyclist in Clip 2 essentially gets "A passing Grade" because 'She's inexperienced and people should look after her'.
Her habits don't award a passing grade.
She ALSO could have avoided all of this (but I doubt she was aware she even caused any problems).
- No weaving
- Being able to actually HEAR what is going on around her (No Headphones)
- Performing even ONE shoulder check before making her turn
Yes, cammer should also get a bad grade, I don't disagree with it, the second it became obvious she was clueless, you just let her get on with her day, and if she crashes, she crashes - as long as it's not into you. She is an accident waiting to happen.
Ash, I saw you post elsewhere "Is this any different than a child riding?" and I understand your premise:
The broad answer is "No" - Once it became obvious she was oblivious/inexperienced, by definition, she becomes a hazard, and you're now in charge of keeping her safe from yourself.
The more specific answer is "Yes" - She is old enough to know better, and by making the conscientious choice, whether it's through the enjoyment of cycling, or the more likely wish to escape traffic or parking by choosing to cycle, she has subject herself to being in a position of more risk than in a vehicle, but less risk than that of a pedestrian. She does absolutely NOTHING to ensure she keeps herself safe she puts the onus ENTIRELY on everyone else around her. If she's choosing to cycle, the least she could do is basic cycling given, as I mentioned, unlike a child, who you expect to be ignorant of the world around them due to lack of experience (and/or knowledge) she is an adult or a close enough approximation to one that you expect them not to live in ignorance.
I really dislike the palming off of "Ignorance" as being someone else's problem.
It's always someone else's problem until you put yourself into an irreconcilable position, and no matter how good someone else is, there is no way for them to protect you anymore.
It's not a passing Grade.
This is two D grades meeting.
One is ignorant and oblivious.
The other is impatient
Tale as a old as time.
It's interesting you disagree with the hierarchical system that's in place in the highway code that specifically has been put in place to look after the less able.
How do you know this was not a disabled person , suffering form autism or some other invisible disability ? It is not impossible .
@@ashley_neal The most vulnerable , by default , need to look out for themselves precisely because they cannot rely on everyone else to do it for them .
That is the main flaw in this ill-considered advice , and this clip demonstrates that point perfectly . The nonsense in the HC could be interpreted by some that , as a pedestrian you can blindly walk out into a busy road without fear of any consequences and expect everyone else to avoid you - which is utter nonsense - in Germany , as with the USA , you will be fined for doing that - and rightly so !
The more vulnerable you are ; the more you need to look out for your own safety . That is basic common sense .
You're wrong. She's harmed no-one and done nothing wriong, she's looked to where she is going and aside from moving a bit in the cycle lane hasn't done a thing wrong.
Everything you've said is irrelevant to what YOU need to take responsibility for in overtaking, whether by bike or by motorvehicle. Her wearing earbuds is irrelevant. her not looking back is irrelevant.
She isn't an accident waiting to happen because you've utterly misjudged her behaviour and simply don't grasp that setting some sort of 'rules' to enforce on others because of your own fears isn't how it works.
The more people like you and the rest on here attacking her get that it's not on her to change but other road users, the safer the roads will be!
@@derekheeps1244 Absolutely wrong. The most vulnerable need to do less and those presenting the most harm need to do more Pushing onus onto the vulnerable has never worked in human history to keep them safe from those doing the harms. This in part is why helmets, hi-vis and even seatbelts never work to keep people safer. In fact they create a worse outcome as much PPE does when humans are involved. this is also why crap like green cross code and cycling proficiency/Bikeability don't work to improve outcomes as it shifts focus from those that kill and maim and also creates victim blaming, just as you have done!
7:20 Approaching two lanes of slowing & stationary vehicles - particularly at roundabouts, too quickly. I've seen this so many times.
Drivers often get in the wrong lane, or switch to lanes that are moving, because they're impatient. Won't always signal, or even check first.
In the first one the road layout is ridiculous. how are you meant to give priority to someone you can't see, because they're around a corner?
In the last clip, you should really be watching the next lane if you're going to stop like that. Sound the horn if someone's coming that can come straight through, especially if the person crossing is a child or looks like they might not pay attention
No need for the horn, just slow down and wait until you can see it's clear. The driver did neither of these.
@@tonyfranklin8306 If you're referring to the driver on the left, and not the cammer, you may have missed the point of the clip. It's fairly obvious to take care when approaching a crossing you can't see is clear, but the point is what the cammer could have done better in mitigating the risk of this near miss. If they had watched the other lane and sounded their horn when it was clear vehicles wouldn't be slowing, it could have stopped the kid just going out. It's fortunate the driver on the left was going slow enough to stop, but many wouldn't be. The cammer increased risk, even if unintentionally, and should have been looking out for the kid.
These are honestly essential viewing for new drivers like myself, glad the algorithm recommended your channel. Funnily enough, the penultimate clip is near me and is also a pinch point on test routes in the area!
to answer your question on that horn use, think it was a rebuke from the on-coming car and the 2nd horn was used as a reply to say p*** off
As the person that sent in that clip, you're pretty spot on about my horn use, at least. Was driving home after a long day at work and was aware I'd made the mistake of committing, but would have held back if I were in the other car... Wasn't in the mood for their aggressive response (which was also poor from me, in fairness).
@@SLTM5713 understanble.
Both incorrect use of the horn. The more the horn is used as a way of saying that the driver of the car is pissed off, rather than as a warning, the more it devalues the meaning of it.
I'm primarily a pedestrian and I've stopped reacting to horns because they're almost always used to reprimand. This will be a problem when someone's using it to warn that, say, their brakes aren't working.
@SLTM5713 id have committed, you were in the space already, other driver should have just come off the gas for three seconds, and youd have both slipped through the gap one after the other, they preferred bullying you though
@@glenn1534 Never said use of the horn was correct; that's part of why I sent it in as a mistake on my part.
Red light at 6:04
Where is the Solid White Line at the lights to indicate these are not repeater lights? Are you sure the car should even have stopped there?
I recently drove through a red light (which I assume this driver may have first thought and not on "auto pilot" to my daughters protest. Only when I went back few weeks later, the Solid White Line is completely gone right across and that would have been my defence in court if caught. The Highway Code clearly states stopping at a Solid White Line where there are traffic lights.
Witnessing a car crash two weeks ago where driver had no idea had just driven through a crossroads.
No lines gave the impression the Give Way was for him to go through.
Councils have neglected road markings for years, one causing a crash with me as i pulled out through stationary traffic to turn right being hit by a car illegally overtaking.
Insurance went against me claiming I'd pulled out in front if an established vehicle. Lines that showed he'd driven over chevrons were barely visible which where remarked a year later - where I was not the fault driver.
He eventually withdrew the claim and can only assume he'd realised i was willing to go to court.
that doesn't look like the UK to me, idk
I was wondering where the stop line was as well
@@brianuuuSonicReborn I think you're right. Although the state of roads is disgraceful due to lack of maintenance.
Road in Preston - 4x sets of lights and can't see a single one due to overgrown trees until your one car length from them.
@@leet3707clearly not the UK, it's obviously a country that drives on the wrong side of the road.
The clip is from Finland. While stop lines are common, they're not mandatory. If there is no line at a light, the first light itself indicates where you should stop. Road markings are obscured by snow for months at a time anyways.
Thanks Ashley, these are good points for me to follow.
Thank you so much for your support!
The Boston Manor cyclist woman is wearing ear buds, so likely wouldn't hear any warning from the rider behind. She had no observation skills, and demonstrated a lack of basic riding skills with the wobbling. Sure, she's on a Lime bike and implicitly isn't a regular cyclist, but I think a "B" is generous.
At around 5:45 with our viewer overtaking the tractor and trailer in the face of oncoming traffic. That's what's sometimes referred to as being " the meat in the sandwich" and something to be avoided. It's a situation that used to come up back in the day when we had two way roads with three lanes whereby the centre lane allowed overtaking by either direction. The so called "suicide lane". In a way this overtake was similar in principle and as Ash pointed out, a needless risk especially considering there was a much safer opportunity a little further ahead.
There was more of a gap further ahead. As it got closer, it became apparent that it was not big enough to pass, but the cammer overtook into a non-existent centre lane which is always risky.
If you've driven in Portugal, that's a normal way of overtaking - or was last time I was there. It has mixed results. Portugal has a relatively high fatality rate.
Good old risk vs reward of an overtake.
If the cammer knew the road opened further up, it was not worth the risk.
If the cammer didnt know the road or had an aggressive driver behind and wanted to distance themselves to car behind, then maybe it could be worth the risk.
@@douglasreid699 I did wonder whether or not the cammer knew this stretch of road.
Absolutely agree ; however someone not local to the area might not know that the road opened up further ahead .
3:04 that’s why you should only undertake if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right or you’re in slow moving congested traffic in queues.
Last clip is exactly why i dont stop when it isnt necessary. Although whatever happens next isnt really my responsability, I think it gives a false sense of security the majority of times.
5:48 that's a statement after the fact, unless they know the road they ain't gonna know it actually split into 2 lanes
The cyclist should have indicated and they were all over the road. People stop pedaling and coast occasionally on bikes, that means nothing. Looking to the side was subtle and might mean they're distracted, but you can't assume much more. Taking those things as "warnings" of an impeding yeet across the road is more than a little unrealistic.
The cyclist in front should have indicated and done a shoulder check.
The cyclist in back should have made their presence known before attempting a pass, and maybe pass with caution because the cyclist in front seemed unpredictable based on their behavior.
8:23 I give them an F.
- No indicator
- Improper observations (if there were any)
- Failure to give way
Clip 2: Fortunately no pedestrians exiting the Tube station! As a rule the cyclist with the head cam will always make an issue of other people’s mistake otherwise life is not worth living. It’s called Vine Syndrome and is wide spread and extremely contagious!
At around 6:49 totally agree with Ash. Attitude is everything. Yes it's not recommended to do a U turn at a roundabout but our cammer could so easily have made this a non event by anticipating the Mercs manoeuvre and simply held back. I just knew Ashley was going to say "Make it a non event". In this example, the cammer went out of their way to do the exact opposite. I quite recently came across a virtually identical incident and just patiently waited for the other car to do it's three point turn. Look at it this way. Supposing there had been a whole line of oncoming vehicles wanting to turn right (to my left) at the same mini roundabout. I'd have then had to wait even longer.
I agree as well which is why after that incident I went back to my insturctor for a 3hr lesson on meeting situations and roundabouts, In the email I sent to Ashley I did say I was at fault more than the other driver, I plan on making it a non-event more often going forwards =)
@@ImpactedWhisper Ah Hello there and I was thinking you might respond. Kudos to you for the follow ups you did thereafter. Big respect to you for that. After all, I'm not a perfect driver either and never will be.
Proceeding all the way round a roundabout is NOT a 'U-Turn' and it is absolutely permissible .
@@derekheeps1244 but should be avoided at a mini-roundabout (this wasn't a roundabout). I think the phrase "U-turn" just refers to someone going back onto the road they came from.
Last clip: The cammer "invited" the cyclist to cross by stopping there, they could have gone past the crossing without blocking it. Inexperienced road users assume that the one letting them out does it because it is safe. Happens all the time. NEVER rely on other road users, ALWAYS make sure yourself!
I got the impression that the boy on the bike pressed the button for the crossing lights , then went while the traffic lights were still green .
If cycling proficiency were more widely taught in schools , as it was 50 or 60 years ago , children with bikes would be taught that you must dismount and well your bike across a crossing , and not ride across ; the difference in speed between walking and riding could make all the difference between being hit or not being hit ; and crossing against the lights would not have bode well for him in court - he might not be charged , but any damages awarded for any injuries received would have been substantially reduced , due to the process for apportioning of blame .
It is also why at a traffic light controlled pedestrian crossing, the user's of that crossing should use the lights unless it is absolutely certain there is no vehicles around.
on the second clip; this is how some cycling youtubers say you are to do an overtake - on the left as the person you are overtaking is turning left.
more seriously; if the cyclist in front of you is not maintaining a lane, that's an immediate warning to take no chances.
4:42 saw the quality and knew the plug that was coming...............edit: WHAT? And don't forget, you can save an extra 5% when using Ashley's code.
That is a 5 year old model, old technology now, but still has recognisably better quality than the rest!
@@brantnuttall That was my clip... I won the A229 pro in his Christmas giveaway and am hugely pleased with it!
Other dash cams are available , and of comparable quality .
@@derekheeps1244 lol
6:47 Either way, that reaction from the Mercedes driver is still uncalled for.
5:54 Is it possible they just didn't know the road split?
@6:15 - looks quite unusual to have lights with no stop line
00:50 Personally, I'd say the real problem, here, is that the pinch-point is AFTER the junction.
Not sure if the Aygo planned to turn into the side-road on this occasion but it seems bonkers to accept a traffic system that forces cars to stop and block a junction that oncoming vehicles, with priority, might want to turn into.
Ideally, of course, the council would simply widen the road after the junction in order to remove the issue completely but I guess it's cheaper to just paint a few lines on the road, put up some signs and hope for the best.
I always remember my father's advice, “if you give a signal for a turn, and then discover it's the wrong turn, stick with your signal”.
More saliently , one of the inspectors , when I did my advanced course at Police College always said ' if you're not sure which way to signal , don't give any signal - far better to leave them wondering where you're going than to give a misleading signal which could leave you at fault if something went wrong ' .
@@derekheeps1244 god, you're a bore
6:30 that's one of the things I'm always looking out for when I do U-turns in roundabouts: drivers assuming I'm taking the last exit. I've had to stop more than once for people entering the roundabout. Thankfully, they are often easy to spot.
I do occasionally have to slam on the brakes on my way into a roundabout when I realise "he's doing a U-turn", but I don't think I have ever blamed the other driver in those situations.
If I am doing a U turn I will drive slow around and always try to make eye contact to all those approaching. Sometimes additional arm signals help if the approaching driver understands them, which is rare these days
The way I approach this is to assume that any car might be going all the way round and treat it accordingly. If I ever do a U-turn at such a roundabout, I also assume that no one will realise what I'm doing, so take it very cautiously and not expect people to stop. Quite often you have to go out to the left to be able to do it without getting "trapped" like the Mercedes, so it's confusing all round if there's anyone else around. Signalling right while going out to the left allows people to see what's happening, if they have an ounce of intelligence.
So I'm the cam car in that one and I truthfully didn't expect him to make a u-turn on a mini round about, at the time of the incident I had only been passed around 8 months and had little experience in those types of situations, regardless I know I was at fault more so than the other driver which is why I went back to my instructor for a 3hr lesson on meeting situations and speed at roundabouts
Not just U turns at roundabout, if you're doing something unusual you should expect other road users not to expect it. I used to remind myself of that when I was riding a motorbike. Drivers think all other traffic on the road will be cars or bigger so that's what they look for. Pulling out of a junction they look to see if any cars are coming so you should expect them not to see you on your motorbike.
@@ImpactedWhisper Well done on booking extra lessons to further your road craft 👍👏
I know most cyclists think they're hyper uncool but I find a bell one of the most useful and cheap attachments ever. Failing that, a voice is even cheaper.
Wouldn't have helped here as the other cyclist is wearing earphones.
@@richardkent That's when you raise your voice to get their attention.
I've always had a bell (apart from my TT bike), the only time they don't work is with ramblers.
@@MauriceHotblack
Have you ever tried to communicate with a young person using Apple Airpods? Not a chance until you're looking them in the eyes. Even an air horn would be 50:50 with someone riding like that with their music on.
I don't like bike bells. They are a poor alternative to a car's horn, which is ok, except that inside a car you need something loud. On a bike you are closer & don't have windows blocking out outside sound. You can match or better the volume of a bike bell with your voice & use it to say something more meaningful like 'keep left please'. With a bell, the other party has to look around then decide how best to react & then you have to react to them. Asking them to keep left cuts out these reaction times & as mentioned earlier, you can make your voice louder than most bike bells.
I feel like people with dash cams try and get themselfs clips. The more u watch the more obvious it gets. Exhibit A: 6:44
Questions 1.40. When the cycle lane is divided and has road style directional markings, shouldn't the riders keep to the left? The lead cyclist was on the wrong side of the lane/road in my eyes but I may be wrong. Is it the driver in me that influences my cycling?
I think they had to go on the wrong side to get through the gap. Having said that, passing a car driving test helps considerably with riding a bike on the road.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 A left signal would have told the cammer what was about to happen. They are useful on cycle lanes as well as on roads. She was also wearing headphones so had less awareness of her surroundings.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 And doing cycling proficiency at age 11 helps considerably when you graduate to driving cars on the road ; I've had my son driving go-karts since he was eight ( he's 16 now and currently running 7th in the Scottish karting championships ) and I've had him driving road cars since he was 10 , everything from Polos and Corsas , up to an Audi R8 , Lamborghini Hurricane and Ferrari California on airport runways . His car control is good ; I just need to teach him road craft once I get him on the public roads .
@@derekheeps1244 I'm kinda with you, teaching road sense to youngsters is good. And now the but, but a race track is not the place. On a race track everyone is going the same direction, using the same methods. Funnily enough, I recently went to a kart meet. Followed driver some of the way there, their standards were appalling, terrible observation, positioning and speed control. So bad that my 1.6 mondeo diesel with no turbo was able to make a comfortable pass on country lanes, but that same driver won every heat and 3rd in the final.
8:24 I would probably give the learner driver a D.
Moving from almost standstill to a live lane, it’s usually a good idea to check your mirrors constantly, taking your time before pulling out, and then pulling out slowly, especially since the lights had just turned green, and it’s not uncommon for people coming from behind to speed up at that sight.
Of course, another fault for not using their signal and leaving it on a second or two before attempting the manoeuvre, potentially buying drivers around more time to react.
Not quite sure their desperation to move into the middle lane when traffic was already starting to move, but if you had to get into that lane, I would’ve waited until the traffic had moved slightly, as to get up to speed and reduce the velocity difference between a car coming from behind.
Considering the sudden turn and the car’s speed, there’s also a potential for being distracted and the passenger or learner turning to avoid a collision, but that’s just speculation.
I give them a D because they’re a learner and might not have the best grasp of their car yet, and for accelerating quickly out of the situation and not freezing up, which could’ve caused more danger.
Keep it up Ashley :)
@ 1:38 - ah, this one is so relatable! Cyclists try so hard to get motorists to pass us safely and then close pass other cyclists - why?! Just wait for a good time without junctions where you can overtake on the right.
Also, I think the cyclist in front was too lazy to make the corner, hence why they went in the oncoming lane. I think they should have got a D too!
Mark her down further for wearing headphones. F.
F all day long
the cyclist with the camera was "too lazy" to corner correctly too. :)
@@stevesmith7530 That’s not laziness it’s skill. The cyclist has observed there’s no traffic and therefore uses their position to maximise the balance of their bike (a wider turn is more likely to unbalance any vehicle) while also maximising progress since straight lines are quicker.
@@stevesmith7530 Whilst I personally wouldn't have cut the corner, in this case it was fairly safe. To be honest, most road users cut corners a lot (including me sometimes). This doesn't make it right, but it's unfortunately common practice.
5:56 In Australia most of the drivers guilty of driving on autopilot. I would love to see more Australian content on this channel and how driving in UK and Australia is different
5:25 the horn should only be used to alert another driver of your presence, in my town there is a main road with a very blind left hand corner and there’s a side road just after the bend opens up so I beeped to alert any driver at the giveway line on the side road to my presence as they wouldn’t be able to see me, thankfully I did that because there was somebody there, I think a lot of drivers wouldn’t think to do that.
Lack of training - far too many drivers fail to use the horn properly , or at all . There is far too much woke-ism with people afraid to use the horn for fear of frightening someone or causing offence - the horn is fitted by mandate - USE IT .
Yes, exactly, nothing wrong with using the horn to alert another driver of your presence, that’s what its purpose is, as stated in the Highway Code, you just have to bare in mind that using the horn sometimes makes people triggered and it might cause road rage, I’ve seen so many RUclips videos of people using their horn and the other driver gets triggered and offended and they start chasing after the other driver, definitely lock your doors in that situation and shut your windows, I’m strongly considering buying a dashcam for my car and for my bike, I should have bought one years ago but better late than never, so many things have happened, especially on my bike, drivers cutting in too close almost touching me when they overtake me, white van men swearing at me and yelling things at me even though I was just minding my own business, a car was at the give way lines at a side road and I was on the main road, just as I went to pass the car it started to pull out on purpose so I had to swerve to the right so that the car didn’t hit me, so many drivers tailgate you and drive way too close to you almost touching your rear end, I definitely need a dashcam.
There's a problem with driving in that you can endanger another road user with your actions and have no idea you did. The horn is to be used to make other road users aware of your existence if they may not otherwise. If they behave in a way that suggests they did not consider/know you were there, I think it's fair to use the horn as a potential literal "wake up call" of "Hello! I'm here! I was there! Please pay more active attention whilst maneuvering a 2 ton human jam maker around."
If I hear a horn I think hard about if I did anything that might have warranted it being aimed towards me. I aim never to inconvenience or endanger other road users, so if I have then that feedback is welcomed.
We could do with more granular inter-car communication. Like a horn tone that means "Hey! I'm here and you endangered me!" and another that is just a polite "Hello, don't think you've noticed me yet. Not a problem, just saying in case!" and then an "I'm sorry! I messed up! It wasn't intentional. Please forgive me!" or "Thank you for being courteous!"
Absolutely. There seem to be a lot of unaware people on the road who otherwise would never be aware that their driving was less than perfect. One lives in hope.
Tha is what town and country horns are for .
7:37 it’s ok to use lane 2 to pass the vehicles in lane 3 in this situation as lane 3 is stationary and congestion and it’s a queue.
With due caution , I agree , but not with that speed differential . Same with bicyclists doing their so-called filtering .
@6:50 - this is local to me in North (East) Lincolnshire - everyone treats this mini roundabout terribly - most fly across and the visibility coming from where the Mercedes did is terrible. Quite a few bags happen here.
In situations like that last clip I tend to look in my mirrors to make sure no other car trys to continue past as I give way to pedestrians and if I see a car going fast I'll honk my horn. I think I saved someone once doing this
For the first clip, I am compelled to ask why that is even a pinch point at all.
There seems to be plenty of space on the left to widen the road slightly 😅.
I'd say likely because people routinely went through there at dangerous speed previously. Sight lines are not very good.
If it was up to me I'd significantly narrow the bell mouth of the road on the left.
@@mattwardman that's fair enough, I can certainly see that happening.
They are sometimes used to automatically enforce speed limits, and sometimes to discourage the use of a road as a through route, compared with a more suitable alternative road nearby that has a higher capacity.
@johnkeepin7527 Certainly true, Personally I think a road narrowing in a semi-blind bend is probably not optimal, but it's probably the lesser evil in this case.
badness by anti car morons on the council .
I’m the driver in the last clip. I was not giving way to the cyclist, I kept my wheels rolling so I could move through but also stop if the lights changed. Did not have enough space to completely pass the crossing before the cyclist started moving.
Thanks for sending in!
That might not have been your intent, but that's what the cyclist thought you were doing.
Is that the Rovers Tey pub on the left?
1:51 and 2:51 Never overtake at speed near junctions or crossings
I personally never overtake, just a waste of petrol
@@123MondayTuesday Yeah I'm a rare overtaker when it comes to cars/vans, I only do so with good visibility and if the vehicle is going somewhat slower than the limit (so say I'm in 50 zone with single carriageway and the vehicle in front is doing 40-45, I'm just going to stay with their speed unless there's loads of vehicles following).
@@FistOfFiori Yeah, not worth the risk. I know a pal of mine who ended up in jail for 2 years after miscalculating an overtake and colliding with an oncoming car.
He was charged with causing serious injury by dangerous driving or something.
Again, he was probably the most genuine, honest person I'd ever met, but one silly move can cost your life. Now he's jobless with a criminal record.
The car in front was going slightly slower than the national speed limit, and he accelerated up to 60 during the overtake, but miscalculated the distance to the bend that was farther up the road and a car came whizzing round.
Ever since that I never go for overtakes, honestly not worth the risk.
@@123MondayTuesday I find driving a waste of fuel so don’t do that either. If I want to see people they can travel to me 😉
@@smilerbob But but... who's been making your driving videos!
Of course I know your comment was tongue in cheek. 😊
Relooking at two of these, I wonder if at 0:41 the Give Way line should be at the junction, where the cammer would have had enough sightline to see the whole priority section?
I see that at 02:32 where the hire-cyclist turned left, that is actually a parallel crossing.
I missed an exit once and it was a full 20 minute fix - still better than doing something stupid and getting in a wreck. (This was in north central Oregon, where freeway exits are few and far between). I will always just go the wrong way instead of doing something stupid. Time is a cheap price for a mistake.
6:20 this is another case of seeing someone doing something unexpected and thinking they won't do anything else unexpected.
In that first clip, what is the signage going the other way? Was the camera car visible to the white when the white car passed their sign? There's a square sign across from the school / children sign but it's facing away from us so we cannot see what it says.
The very first clip. If the cammer had identified the potential issue a little earlier, they could have waited in the space offered by the side road to the left.
That was my thoughts - I would have dived in there at the first sign of someone else coming the other way. The other driver demonstrates that reasonableness must never be expected from others. It's the same mindset as the person who sat yelling at the Merc driver trying to do a U-turn on the mini-roundabout. How easy would it have been to be reasonable?
I think that's what they actually did, at least enough to give room for the oncoming car to go past. But then the oncoming car didn't go past and stopped at the narrowest part, just to make a point. Either that or, as another comment puts it, they thought they were a big van.
@@paulsengupta971 Hello Paul. I'll watch that clip a few more times over just to get a better idea. Sometimes when commenting after just a quick initial look and a pause (which is what I tend to do) doesn't do the situation justice. An old hand like me should know better, though my emotions are a bit mixed up right now with the recent passing away of my mother
@@ibs5080 I'm not sure it's clear from the video whether there is enough room or not, I'm just surmising, but I think there is, and that's why the cam car stopped where they did.
It does feel like the cammer is a little slow to react, although it's probably worth bearing in mind that their eyes are probably a couple of feet or so to the right of the camera which in this scenario means they'll have seen the oncoming car later than we do..
Second clip, did you clock that the other cyclist is riding with earphones in?
7:36 "Open Lane Pattern" - if one lane is open and the other is not, expect cars to move to the open lane without looking. DanDanTheFireman taught me this
That very last clip. The overtaking car on the left should have recognised the danger with this situation, slowed waaaay down and only crept forward approaching the crossing.
No one going to mention the pedestrian deciding to cross when it's not safe?
@@JohnCarlyle Yes of course, totally. My comment was more angled towards "defensive driving to mitigate the mistakes of others".
As far as I know they should not pass the vehicle nearest the crossing on a zig zag area. 6 points I believe.
@@drcl7429 Ah yes I was also wondering about the zig zag aspect. But what if the lane you are in is free flowing but the lane next to you is stationary? Can you draw level with the lead car, stop, check for pedestrians and if clear, proceed? Or do you need to stop and remain put until the lead car moves, even though you have a green light plus an empty lane ahead of you and can clearly see there are no pedestrians crossing against their "Don't walk" light?
@@ibs5080 if I remember correctly the phrasing in the statute says you should not proceed if a "vehicle has stopped for the purpose of allowing pedestrians to cross", irrespective of whether the crossing signal is priority for pedestrians.
@4:30 exactly, if you've made a poor choice, wrong lane etc just follow it and worst case turn around when possible even if that is 4 miles up the motorway the the next junction
At around 4:16 with the white SUV suddenly stopping. I agree that the cammer might have caused more danger by suddenly slowing down, though we don't know if the road was clear behind them. I would have at least sounded my horn at that point.
There was no guarantee the white car wasn't going to just abandon and pull back out, pushing the cam car into the path of the oncoming van. Even using the horn at that point is a gamble. So many clips of people using the horn instead of the brakes. Stopping was the correct reflex.
@@Species1571 I think the horn should have been sounded too. It would have at least given the SUV a chance of not pulling back out and not forcing the cammer to brake. There would have been no harm in sounding the horn here too.
6:43 The Mercedes had every right to do it just not clear if he had the right indicator on. It looked quiet and perfectly OK to turn around. Why drive right up to the other car it was not going to get him a clear space. It was not even close to a near miss. It is this attitude on the road that some drivers have that if they see the other person taking what they see as not their right to take, they must do all they can to punish the other driver. Helping a fellow traveller who clearly lost is a courtesy in my book.
I'm the cam car and I can assure you he had no indicators on. On top of that i was doing 17mph on my approach and I wasn't trying to get as close as I could I truthfully was just very surprised that he stopped right in front of me, though I fully agree I needed to be more aware and slow down more before approaching! At the time of that incident I had only been passed around 8 Months, which while isn't an excuse for poor driving, my lack of experience in those types of situations had an impact for sure.
Also the only reason I'm pointing out having a dashcam is because the guy threatened to throw a ceramic mug at my car which can be seen in the video. Since that incident I have gone back to my instructor for another 3hr lesson on meeting situations =)
@@ImpactedWhisper With experience you'll get used to the body language of other vehicles. I could see that the Merc was going to do a U-turn from the angle of the wheels and the way they got onto the junction. But you probably haven't seen enough of that sort of thing to pick up the clues quite so quickly yet. Just stick at it, and you'll soon spot these things :)
3:02 Would the situation be a bit different if the white van driver would have taken a head check??
In Australia and New Zealand you are required to do a head check before changing lanes in the order mirror-signal-headcheck
This does make me think of how over the years I've learned things, either by making mistakes from lack of experience, or from seeing other drivers and learning what not to do. We don't pass our tests and just know all of this. At that point we know the basics. That's why a good instructor, like Ashley, will encourage hanging back so you have time to react safely, 'make it a non-event' and learn from the situation.
First one looked like it would be a non-issue if the driver of the tiny white Toyota had simply driven it as if it was a tiny white Toyota... Move left and continue. They had half their car width spare.
Dashcam driver could have moved a little further left to make more room too, but realistically, they only had a moment to notice the car at all, and probably calculated the timing to pass and didn't expect a full stop and road block.
This is something that baffles me.
Obviously, you should always leave as much space as possible but surely the whole point of driving a small car is that it gives you more leeway to get through small spaces?
I drive a 4x4 and I drive in the middle of the road when there are parked cars on either side but if there's an oncoming vehicle I'll slow to walking pace and move to within 12" of the parked cars and yet I'll often see oncoming small cars stay in the middle of the road like they expect me to just teleport out of their way or something.
I sometimes feel like stopping, getting out and helping guide the oncoming vehicle through the space that's still big enough to get a bus through.
The white car also had the exact same moment to notice the cammer. The difference here is that the cammer just passed a give way sign while the white car passed a priority sign, so it's kinda weird that everyone says that the white car should have given way.
@@CristiNeagu To be fair, I think people are suggesting the white car COULD have given way, thus making it a non-event, rather than it "should" have given way.
@@SiCrewe That's not what Ashley's implying. Cause then the white car should have got a B or C for "could have made things better, but was in the right". Ashley is implying the white car not only should have given way, but was obligated to give way, which is not true.
@@CristiNeagu The Aygo driver ISN'T "right", though.
Even if traffic from your direction has priority, you can't just arrive at a stretch of road and assume you have right of way over an oncoming vehicle that's already there.
The Aygo driver was, basically, 100m too far back to claim right of way... and then, upon encountering the cammer, they moved into the middle of the road and made the situation worse.
In the clip at 3 mins 30 you mention they should have moved into the right lane and indicated right until the towing van moved to the left. Is that the best thing to do if you’re behind a car in the furthest lane to the right and want to go past them?
1:00 - I'd give the cammer a B or C depending on the existence or otherwise of following traffic. Note that this is cogitated partly on the lack of pedestrians to even be placed at risk.
Oncoming I'd give an F or maybe a G.
2:00 - Cammer maybe a C, but the other girl hasn't seen him yet (as I type this on watching Ashley's compilation, so she had to be an F.
3:32 Agreed. The only way I'd have gone in there was if the van was signalling a right turn before I started my overlap!
4:20 - Agreed. Again, the white driver hasn't seen the cammer yet!
5:20 - I'd give them both a D-, since they were both making things worse.
5:45 - Cammer gets a D from me because they were relying on cooperation and Deviations from oncoming to allow their overtake.
As an aside, I suspect that road used to have a third "suicide lane" at this point?
6:04 - Cammer saved from a D only by being able to reverse and actually doing so.
Aside, first time I thought the arrows on the gantry looked green, but blue on replay.
7:17 - I think giving the Mercedes driver an E may be generous; E- or maybe an F for replying to your cammer?
8:15 - TBF the learner didn't signal, never mind mirror, before Manoeuvre (based on my reading). Since you ask "F".
8:55 - Ds all round. Your cammer could have drawn forward safely, but would had to have timed this to stop the cyclist crossing in front of approaching.
In the final clip in multi lane situations and two way roads I keep my priority where I have it and don't let someone out or cross the road, for this exact risk, unless I can see there is no other traffic in adjacent lanes or coming the other way.
Agree with both scores on the first clip, but whoever designed the road layout gets an F. The give way lines, and any priority markings from the other direction, need to be closer to the pinch point in order to allow drivers from both directions to see what's going on.
In the clip with the learner, it's an example of the disadvantage of learning with a friend or family member in a private car. Not being equipped with dual brakes, the family or friend wouldn't have had any option to take control and while they may or may not be good drivers and good examples to learn from, they might not have the advanced skills of a professional driver to see this risk. A professional instructor would also have been able to judge whether the learner had built up enough skill and experience to change lanes and overtake and guide them on the appropriate time, which might have been better after building up a bit of speed. By the sounds of the engine, this car was a sports car or higher performance car, which may have had stronger brakes, which may be what saved it from being a collision.
Third clip, moor farm roundabout is always a nightmare. It’s largely caused by the lights. There was a period when the lights were off for weeks and it was so smooth
As a regular user of said roundabout the lights are not the problem. Used correctly you have no problem. It's down to observation and planning, halfwits don't do that😂
@@jeffmtitanium1 lights add to the problem. If nobody was a halfwit then we’d have no road issues at all.
The lights are nothing but traffic creators and it brings all the halfwits together in one go on a congested roundabout.
When the lights were gone, things were smoother and hardly any traffic, meaning cases like this of undertaking and people all being bunched up didn’t happen as often.
5:14 I don't agree with pulling in between the moving lorry and the parked trailer. If the lorry tried to back up and parallel park there (shouldn't happen but it can), you would literally have 0% chance of being seen, and would not even have much chance of getting out of the situation alive. The best thing our cammer could have done is hold back at the very beginning of the situation. But, given the difficulty in assessing the road past the lorry, it's understandable that they found themselves in a non-ideal meeting situation. Honestly, the black one really should have held back for best flow. If the black one decided to be a psycho and gun it towards them, the cammer might have been able to put a right signal on and use the pavement as an escape, but please don't put yourself in between those two trailers.
I give the learner a C as they were likely following instructions from the person teaching (assuming there was someone teaching) and is a good lesson for them to remember to use indicators and keep checking the mirrors and shoulder in that instance for drivers not seen approaching and anyone look to move out of the right lane
If this was a fully qualified driver / the person teaching then they get an E from me for the lack of awareness or preparation for the lane change which could’ve been done on the approach before stopping let alone pulling away
All on the supervisor. Time stopped at lights is an excellent opportunity to explain what happened / what to prepare for etc. They should have been discouraging any lane change. I doubt a learner was driving in that instance though.
6:05… what country is this in, there are no lines painted on the road indicating that it is a traffic light junction.
There are filter lane lines painted on the road to turn left but nothing for going straight on.
[so if the lights fail and go out there is nothing to suggest you might have to give way]
Ahh, I saw that as well, was a bit confused, at what point should the car have stopped for the light, if at all?
There could have been no stop lines because in the event of a light failure, the 6-lane road would have priority. But then where are you supposed to stop while they are in operation?
In Germany (and I know that the US and UK don't do this), there's signs above the traffic light indicating what rules apply when they are out (or flashing yellow). But no sign _would_ mean that it's a "give way to the right" junction - which I sincerely hope this isn't, with the number of lanes.
1:52 I know it was not a good point to overtake considering her ambiguous behavior, but this is one of my pet peeves. I only started noticing a lot of ppl do this about one or two years ago. They take a corner as if they are riding high speed, it's completely unnecessary. I can ride double the speed and take a tighter corner than that. On top of that they fail to realize they are creating a really ambiguous situation, without being the slightest aware of their surroundings or letting their intentions be known.
Fair play using the horn , it can cause embarrassment and make you think twice about performing the same manoeuvre again
Two points. Firstly the submitter has pointed out elsewhere that's the other driver sounding their horn, not the viewer. Secondly although it's unfair to make judgements on appearances the gentleman in the Mercedes is wearing a baseball cap; I find that the sort of man who wears a baseball hat in a Merc is the kind of creature who enjoys a little punch-up at the slightest excuse, such as an admonitory use of a horn, therefore best avoided if possible.
@@ianmason. Thanks for that long winded response to my comment but I think you're confused in regards to who my comment was aimed at. I was talking about using the horn at bad road users in general not at any specific person, vehicle or point in the video 😂
@@ianmason.Wow you're slow in the head.
We are always told that speed kills. I've always said "rubbish, it's difference in speed that kills".
It's actually the very abrupt reduction in speed that kills.
More precisely , rapid deceleration kills .
Almost, its a suitably abrupt change in speed that kills, although that does require an adequate difference in speed.
1st car took the most pragmatic option without blind adherence to a rule that seems arbitrary when there isnt a pedestrian in sight, A*
5:45 great driving , nothing wrong here.
The last clip - car on the left should have anticipated the potential for that and exercised far more caution.
Did the cyclist not have white earphones/buds in? and what happened to hand signals?
In the first clip, the camera car accelerates to try and TAKE priority, even though they could see it was NOT going to be given.
There was time to stop on the left in the junction.
They had started their manoeuvre through the obstacle, but the narrow point was right at the far end.
Only the cam car broke the law, And displayed self righteous attitude. Z
3:35 I love the trailer 🙂
it is a broken down lorry being towed , not a trailer .
@@derekheeps1244 have a second look, the wheel arches don't have any wheels, but there are two axles in the middle with small trailer wheels on them.
In that last clip there's a few things that led to this. Firstly, the cammer stopping on the green light when there was plenty of room to move forward. Secondly, the cyclist seems to give a little wave to the cammer, giving the impression the cyclist thought the cammer was stopping to let them cross. Not sure if there was any hand signals from the cammer here. Thirdly, these modern pedestrian crossings where the green man is next to the button, and not up on the pole on the other side of the road, seems to mean people crossing aren't looking at the road anymore. Fourthly, the cyclist shouldn't really be riding on the pavement and should be walking the bike across (not that it makes any difference here). Fifthly, the car on the left should have noticed the cammer was stationary at a crossing so should have been more aware than somone might have been crossing because of this clue.
8:10
and then sits there for five seconds.
Glad they didn't get rear ended.
Were they working out how to get into first or working out which buttons to press on the dash cam?
Been driving for 40 years , once you understand that everyone else on the road is out to kill you, you can drive appropriately.
6:00 where are the stop lines (doesn't look like UK)
Clip 2 - the cyclists; I would usually ring the bell to let them know of my presence when about to overtake - same for pedestrians. Ring from a way back so as not to startle and give time for them to observe if needed. Doesn’t always serve intended purpose (if the other road user is wearing headphones eg) but can’t hurt!
So I'm the car @6:15 to @7:15 the mini-round about, the footage was sent in back in April and I had only been passed around 8 Months at that time. 100% I should've slowed down more than I had, but I truthfully didn't expect the merc to do a U-turn, he also had no indicators on, to clarify as well it wasn't me who beeped their horn that was the other guy. I was approaching the roundabout at 17mph, which isn't included in this video and I was in 2nd gear at the time, I both should have reacted sooner and slowed down a bit more without a doubt, since this incident went back to my instructor and had a 3hr lesson on meeting situations and roundabouts like this, as I knew I was more in the wrong than the other driver - and so far I've yet to cause any other similar incident :P and I am taking make it a non-event more seriously!
I should clarify that I only pointed out having a dashcam as the guy picked up a ceramic mug and threaten to throw it at my car which you can see at 6:55/6:56
Thanks a lot for sending in. These videos are the best for education in my opinion as we've all done these things we see in the clips before. Let me ask you this, would you act in the same way again?
@@ashley_neal I wouldn't that's for sure, after having that other lesson with my instructor we actually encountered a similar situation on a different roundabout and my instructor had clued on to it long before I had and starting offering advice and how to handle it and like what you say make it a non-event, we also reviewed my footage and he came to a similar conclusion to you, I knew sending it into you I was at fault - I just wasn't sure how bad a mistake it was at the time, so truthfully I thank you for the honest feedback =)
I’m sure everyone who’s just watched your clip thinks it was you that sounded the horn, unfortunately I doubt many people are going to come this far into the comments to see it was actually the other driver who did
It is what it is, I'm honeslty not too bothered as I know where I went wrong and since that incident have taken steps to improve my driving the best I can, and thankfully haven't been the cause of any other incident so far (fingers crossed it stays that way) I sent this in knowing full well how people would respond =)
I'll copy what I wrote in another comment here, it might help. Always expect the unexpected.
The way I approach this is to assume that any car might be going all the way round and treat it accordingly. If I ever do a U-turn at such a roundabout, I also assume that no one will realise what I'm doing, so take it very cautiously and not expect people to stop. Quite often you have to go out to the left to be able to do it without getting "trapped" like the Mercedes, so it's confusing all round if there's anyone else around. Signalling right while going out to the left allows people to see what's happening, if they have an ounce of intelligence.
8:00 the expression I use for that particular complaint is "they did the same thing I was doing." it's another reason to not blow by a line of stopped traffic at speed.
First one I have plenty of time for drivers like the white car ( but I have must admit this is the stupidest priority setup I have seen as you must pass your lower priority point before you can see a car Comming)
8:38 The cyclist moved off whilst the traffic lights were still green for oncoming traffic. The cammer shouldn't have stopped prematurely, the driver in lane 1 should have gone a bit slower, and the cyclist should not have moved until proper lights were displayed. However, the real issue is that a cyclist has their life at risk in a collision so really the biggest burden falls on them for looking after themselves and not taking a risk like this. You can't depend on other road users to look out for you, even though the law may say so.
'The Law' does NOT say so , only a book which contains some ill-conceived and very bad advice . Not the law .
At around 2:42 I think that's the first time I've seen a cyclist get "left hooked" by another cyclist.
& the cyclist in front got a B while weaving & wearing headphones. I think Ash missed the headphones. Potentially lethal while riding. Definitely an F for her.
We have a near blind bend in a priority give way close to my home…..and yes the same thing happens & has happened to me. You go thru, all clear, and then a car appears into view and they don’t want to stop. And obviously they blame you for pulling away. I imagine this situation is a nightmare for learners.
U turn on the mini (or as I call the smallest, Micro) roundabout. You are allowed to do it if there is sufficient space. We have many Micro roundabouts here-I can’t turn on them in a Honda Jazz (Honda Fit). There’s one in the town centre and I saw it happen to someone-hilarious….think that was an Astra….completely impossible.
In the merc mini roundabout and the learner pulling out clip, speed is the key. If the viewer had not been going so fast into the situation those people in merc would have had a totally different reaction. And seeing a massive double or triple line of traffic stopped just head means there’s no need at all to accelerate towards it.
My home town and work are and will be plagued by totally nonsensical multiple roadworks for weeks to come…..I’ve never seen it so bad. A 20 min journey turns into a 40 min journey. Lots of traffic, lots of people making last min decisions to switch lanes and find a route around. Even before the road gets shut next week, just the current roadworks means I’m spending more time in engine idle stop mode than actually driving. May as well have the slowest car in the world because speed ain’t going to get you anywhere until September.
Rant over.
Wish me & all the other poor peasants who live here luck.
Lack of manoeuvrability is one of the major drawbacks of small front wheel drive vehicles ; most larger RWD vehicles , like Mercedes or Volvo enjoy smelling turning circles than so many of these tiddlers , but the awards for turning circles go to the Triumph Herald , second only to a London Taxi for turning ability .
Nope - in the first clip the white car HAD priority because this is dictated by the traffic signs and road markings , AND he reached the narrowing of the road first ; he was ENTITLED to proceed and his positioning out for an early view around the left hand bend was perfectly in order ( this is taught in advanced driving ) although I might have given a horn warning on my approach to the unsighted hazard , or a flash of the headlamps after dark , to make oncoming traffic aware of my presence . Remember you base your driving plan on - what you can see , what you cannot see , and the circumstances you can reasonably expect to develop . However , many drivers need to learn to be more assertive on the road and not to be too timid .
The give way line is where it is , because priority traffic coming from the opposite direction may be turning right into the road on the left from the camera POV and people stopped where the poster did will cause an obstruction .
The camera car mounting the pavement at the end was of course quite out of order ; all he had to do was wait for the white car to pass .
2:04 the cyclist is all over the 2 separate cycle lanes, it’s ok to do that if there is no lane separation dividing the lanes but here it’s obviously 2 separate lanes.
it is absolutely OK , as long as no one else is using the lane .
The clip with the two cyclists. If the girl on the bike was a car driver, would the analysis be the same? Especially when you say They pass on the left where no one will be expecting it and if you overtake, the responsibility falls on your shoulders. Exactly why cyclists should NOT overtake on the left! But that's just my opinion.
I'd say that cycles are not like motor vehicles due to lower speed and massively lower consequences of collisions - so yes the analysis is much different.
@@mattwardman Injuries between cyclists , and with pedestrians are not at all uncommon , and even fatalities are not unknown - the cyclists have less protection , so the collisions can still be just as serious .
Im slightly confused with the first one, you clearly say the white car should be given priority not just take it, but in a previous video Compilation #24 you fully side with the red nissin that does pretty much the same as the white car in this video, the red nissin in the previous one almost fully goes over to the other side of the road to make the whole situation an event when it didn't need to be, why is the clip in this video any different ? because the cammer couldnt see the white car when moving off ?
Red Nissan was visible before cammer started through. This vid, view was clear when committed.
@@nigelcox1451 visable yes, but if it hadnt gone nearly fully into the incorrect lane it would have been an non-event like ashley is always saying about, yet he fully sides with the red nissin in that video.
@@jkd91 he fully sides with the Nissan on the question of whether the cammer should have moved or given way, not with the Nissan’s reaction. Big difference.
@@jkd91 But did you notice how may people in the comments disagreed with Ash? Lots and lots. It would have all gone swimmingly had the Nissan stuck to their side of the road, no one would have had to slow down or anything, they would just have driven past each other.
@@nigelcox1451 In the other clip there was plenty of time to clear before meeting the red car , but the mouthy woman moved out to obstruct and would her window down to have a go at the driver of the camera car ; she also crossed hazard lines which were there to indicate where she should have been and keep her in her place ; the camera car was well clear of the chicanes before he was blocked by Karen .
Both cyclists in 1st clip get a D from me im afraid. No shoulder checks from girl, and a warning before the overtake, a bell/yell wouldnt have been harmful. Not that this lady will be on a 2 or 3 lane round about in a hurry (please dont unless your confident and fit), but you dont shoulder check leaving an island and 1 day your gunna get bonneted, on a fast moving island.
the way society is today stopping inches away from a couple of guys in a car, sounding your horn and flashing lights might not be such a good idea. If they decide to do more than throw a drink can at you and mouth off you're limited in how to get out of a situation that could turn nasty.
First clip I would say the pavement option is potentially safer than reversing. Pedestrian area, junctions, easier to see everything infront and around than behind and around. I cycle to work down country lanes. Dog walkers are a pain, they walk dead in the middle and usually have earpods in so can't hear the bell. Then jump out their skin when you slowly pass them. I personally wouldn't wear earbuds when cycling. Vehicle and trailer, I wonder why it was in that lane? But passing as the biker did is asking for trouble. Learner showed poor observation, signalling and decision making. I would say that was not a learner driving as I don't think many learners would have the blind confidence for that maneuver. They're probably the one teaching the learner... The roundabout, easy to get confused by someone doing a u turn but the camera car was completely wrong. The horn use inappropriate and they looked a fool when the other driver stood up to them so they tried to hide behind their dashcam. I wouldn't have sent that in to even this channel 😬